October 17, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. We are here on
this Friday afternoon to answer the questions you have about
the Bible, the Christian faith, just about anything that's on
your mind. Give us a call right now. We would
love to talk to you at 888-564-6173. That number is
good for the next hour. Brian and Cheryl Broderson from
(00:39):
Echoes of Mercy.com are here to answer your questions, 888-564-6173.
How you doing, folks?
Well,
I think we're doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, pretty well, you know, I was realizing that if
you ask anyone over 65 how they're doing, the answer
is always OK.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, we're doing better than OK, but today we did
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm not doing better than OK. I, I think OK
is an apt answer for you. Yes, yes, I'm feeling
my age. Ryan will never feel his age. He felt
his age in his twenties.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Um, well, today we did feel our age when we
walked this path and we got to a point where
they had
Oh yeah, we had to lock the gate and we
had to climb over it. We did and then
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I wouldn't recommend it for somebody who has man and
is 65, but we did it. Our dog was even intimidated.
I mean,
Speaker 1 (01:35):
the fence was only 4 ft high, but you know,
nevertheless
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think it was 3 ft
Speaker 1 (01:39):
high.
I don't want to sound like this is insurmountable.
You know, it kind of felt
Speaker 2 (01:49):
like that we could have walked right through that green
park and around it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We could have, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We didn't even realize that. Now that I'm thinking about it,
I'm like, we could have so walked around that thing,
but no, we decided to climb over it and our
dog kind of did the limbo underneath it, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How fun.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But he was just kind of like, what do we
do here? That's Barnabas black gold. What do we do here?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's OK, so yeah, that
Speaker 2 (02:23):
that was like with the Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That was the that was the adventure for today, and
now we're here. Yay, for more adventures. We did do
a little. Cheryl did a little yard work. She kind
of went.
Wild with the clippers and
Speaker 2 (02:39):
yes, well, there were just, you know, there were just
some some branches of these things that were blocking our window,
and I, I want the light to stream in. I
think that's like biblical. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think so. That's right. Amen. 888-564-6173 is our number.
You can also send in your questions online.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, I am going to going to the
Um, when she, when she leads conference out in Murrieta
and I'm very, very excited about it taking two of
my buddies and I have to, uh, pick up one
at 7:15 and then the reason I'm going tomorrow and
not tonight is one I don't want to pack for overnight,
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but two, I have a Sunday school, uh.
Appreciation dinner tonight and one of the reasons I'm dressed
like I am is because I am part of a
skit and I am Amanda for sure now I really
like this role because I still look like I surf,
which is really flattering for a 65 year old to
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give me such like a beachy part, but this is
the fun thing. I needed a puka shell necklace, right?
And I didn't want to buy one. Who wants to
buy puka shell necklaces, right?
And so I asked all my friends if anyone had
a Puka shell necklace, and the closest I got was
a friend who's close to my age who said.
I haven't had one since junior high, so that would
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be like 40 years or so, yeah, so all of
a sudden I said, Lord, inspire me and I realized
that in my Sunday school supplies I had a small
box of apple jacks and I had some elastic thread
and so I made one of the best, um, replicas
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imitation
Speaker 1 (04:28):
imitation puka shell
necklace.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I was there watching.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, and the great thing is it's also edible.
It's,
Speaker 2 (04:35):
that's right. If, if I don't like the food tonight, I, I,
I'm fine nibbling on
Speaker 1 (04:40):
your or should, should there
Speaker 2 (04:41):
be a famine? I'm fine. I got it. I got
my fake puka shell apple jack necklace.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's always great to have one. You never know.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It should be in everybody's emergency kit. Well,
Speaker 2 (04:57):
definitely your emergency kit, your emergency Sunday school appreciation dinner kit.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes,
for sure. There you go. But the great thing about
it is now I know what to get Cheryl for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
OK, please
Speaker 1 (05:11):
know for your skin.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I think Amanda for sure is like a, I don't
think they'll ask me to to do this again. The
other great thing is I'm supposed to bring props, so, uh,
Brian is coming with me. He's bringing one of his surfboards. No,
I wish, uh, 6, you have 6 surfboards, right? I
don't know.
This is so sad because I always say, could you,
could you please clear out like 3? So he's gonna
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bring one tonight. I said, choose your least favorite and
let's take it. And he goes, you know, I don't
really favor any of them. So I thought, my goodness,
how long have they been in our garage? And so,
you know what I use his surfboards for right now?
Water bottle storage. So when you get those big water
bottles as we do, and when they're empty, I store
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them in between the surfboards. It's like a shelf.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I thought you would use it as an ironing board
or something, but
Speaker 2 (06:05):
no, you can't because it's fiberglass. It could it hurt
Speaker 1 (06:08):
it.
I want that to happen. No,
Speaker 2 (06:09):
and plus it has wax on the one side. This could,
this could be very dangerous for you, very
Speaker 1 (06:13):
dangerous. So to find out about this conference, ladies, which
begins later today, whenheeads.org, we've also got a link on Kwave.com.
Or you
Speaker 2 (06:21):
could go just for the date tomorrow, which I'm doing
very
Speaker 1 (06:24):
good.
OK. 888-564-6173 is our number. You can also send in
your questions online, which is from what, uh, Tim from Prescott,
Arizona did. He writes, Please shed some light on Matthew
27 verses 52 and 53, which reads in the New
Living translation, Tombs opened. The bodies of many godly men
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and women who had died were raised from the dead.
They left the cemetery after Jesus's resurrection.
Went into the holy city of Jerusalem and appeared to
many people. So Tim asks, did these dead believers resurrect
and witness Jesus at that time and then die again
at some point later? When I came across this passage,
I was very surprised. What do you guys say?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is perplexed quite a few people, and I don't
think anyone's quite sure about this. What my father used
to say is he believed that these were those who
were passing.
From, um, what do you call paradise to heaven, um,
but it wasn't, it wasn't that they were seen, but
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it wasn't that they, um, what do you want to say,
went back to their old lifestyles or anything it was
a transitory thing. Would you agree with that, right? Transitory?
Of course it's their bodies. It's like a crazy thing, huh?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean that you know this is this is a.
A passage that like you said, has perplexed many. It's
caused even really otherwise good scholars to say, maybe this
is a little bit of mythology, which we do not
agree with, um, but yeah, I mean, you know, you
wish Matthew would have.
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Add a little more detail like and then they lived
for the rest of, you know, a whole another.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They moved into the south quarter of Muslim yeah you
know what's interesting though too is that we don't know
if they had seen Ben Hur kind of gives you
a little bit.
We've been her Tza and her mom are there and
she's got leprosy and they were so hoping to see
Jesus so she could be cured and then they see
the crucifixion and as the rain comes down, Tsa is
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cleared of her leprosy again Ben Hur is his.
fiction, but that is such a powerful I don't think
I've ever watched Ben He without crying at that part,
but it, it was a powerful moment when um the
veil was torn. Jesus said it is finished, the veil
is torn the um, the rocks were split in half
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and something incredible happened.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean, as you read it, it seems like
it's there's kind of two things happening. The veil is torn.
The rocks are split, the graves are opened.
But then after the resurrection of Jesus, so this would be,
you know, the 3 days later, that's when these uh
saints appeared in the city. So again, was it just
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um briefly they appeared, uh, which saints were it? I
think most people would say they were more like local
saints versus somebody like Abraham or Moses or someone like that. So,
but it's one of those passages that just is there
and you're like, wow, that that's amazing.
But we don't know any of the details that we
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wish we knew about it. So, OK, Tim, thank you
for sending in your question through the pastor's perspective page
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And that'll take you right to the pastor's perspective page.
Hang on, there's like a sidebar going on here in
the studio about this passage. What, what? It's a little
bit of a dispute. Oh, OK. But, but you didn't
want to do it on mic. Well, no, because, you know,
when you're right, you don't want to embarrass the other person,
you wanna just kind of let it go by.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's interesting.
I think I've missed those three words every time I've
read that after his resurrect. I always thought it happened
at the same time. Well, it sounds like I was
the person who was wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It sounds like
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I can say that you
Speaker 1 (10:35):
know this is like the second week in a row
that you were wrong about something and you
you actually have
Speaker 2 (10:40):
admit it, confessed it publicly, you know what, Brian, because
I'm 65 and you know I'm humble. What can I say?
I've been in Humboldt
Speaker 1 (10:48):
and you're also wrong about a video that we were
talking about when we were on our way up here,
but that is for a later.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well, I can't wait to see you get up there,
but while you're up there looking through all of our DVDs,
will you water the plants?
There are very few VHS. You know,
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was in our son's office the other day and
he has some plants in there, you know.
And you know, he's just going around talking to me
and he's just watering them and I'm thinking that you
know this kid like he was the one out of
our 4 kids. He was the one kid that would
disappear and you would wonder where he went and you
would go up and he would be cleaning his bedroom.
It's like.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
It was when he was um actually it was when
he was restricted to his bedroom he would clean it
and rearrange it and he'd be like, Hey mom, and
I'd be like, OK, are you sorry? because, well, check
out my closet and he would have color coded his
his clothes. He would have redone.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I was just so impressed with him watering his plants
because I have thought about how many times we have
decided to be plant people and that has never lasted
very long.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
One of us has decided to be plant people. One
of us, I has only watered when he was asked,
could you please water? And the other person has been neglectful.
I will say that. Plants, I think, get scared when
they see me coming like that's the woman that doesn't
give us anything to drink. Don't go home with her.
Don't go
Speaker 1 (12:12):
you
know what I noticed today that our tomato plant was
pretty dry because I watered all the other plants and
then I
Speaker 2 (12:18):
did I stuck my finger down and it was wet
below the.
Surface so that's what you're supposed to do. So we
have a tomato plant and we got the most delicious
tomato off of that plant because yeah one but there's
one still but you know there's nothing like homegrown tomatoes
and the way they smell when little Calvary was built,
it was surrounded by tomato fields and they were letting
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them go, um, uh, feral and so we were able
to collect as many tomatoes as we wanted and the smell.
Of tomatoes that are allowed to ripen on the vine
and the taste is so rich, it's so good.
OK, on that we agree.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
We did that in
unison, yes, it was beautiful. So we have another sidebar
discussion going on in the studio really quick about the
same passage. Could these, uh, resurrected saints have been the
great cloud of witnesses that we read about in Hebrews 12? No, no,
no. OK.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Sorry, Johnny.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We'll discuss later since we are surrounded by so great
a cloud of witnesses, the cloud of witnesses we're surrounded
by are all the people that have been talked about
in the previous chapter 11 so
it's, you know,
Speaker 2 (13:28):
chapter 11 so what it's saying is actually you have
all these examples that are rooting for you that really
want you and then are inspiring you to faith, which
is interesting because right now I'm working on a Bible study.
I don't know who it's gonna be for that's called
By faith that's just gonna look at Hebrews chapter 11.
Because that's like one of my favorite chapters.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's a good one. All right, let's go to the
phones now 888-564-6173, beginning with Ann Elise in California. Hello,
welcome to Pastor's Perspective.
Hi, um, can you hear me? Barely. Yeah. Oh,
no, OK, tell me when it's better. I don't
Speaker 2 (14:09):
know. I think you's a
Speaker 1 (14:11):
little better yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Are you trying to be quiet?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No.
Um, hi, thank you for, yeah, thank you guys for
being here. I was like, I turned on passage perspective,
and when it said Brian and Cheryl, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm gonna OK, Annelise, right now you're my favorite person.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So what's going on? Great to hear from you. Actually,
yeah, oh, I'm glad, yeah, I'm glad you guys remember me,
but um, I got out of treatment, um.
Um, I, I mean, yeah, just to, you know, with brush.
I was, I am struggling.
But, um,
Speaker 2 (14:52):
an eating
Speaker 1 (14:52):
disorder
Speaker 2 (14:53):
and it
Speaker 1 (14:54):
really
Speaker 2 (14:54):
sucks. It does really like. I don't even know how
to explain it to people, honestly, just like the amount
of noise that's like in my head, like every single
day around like every single like meal, it's it's not
normal like.
It really sucks, and like, I need food to live, like,
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that's the way God created us, and, and so,
But yeah, I got to a healthy weight and treatment
and um
And then I got out and uh my family's like
not not very happy about it,
Speaker 1 (15:32):
and
not very happy that you got out or what?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Not very happy that I got out because um They
want you to spend more time there? Are they worried
about you? Yeah. Yeah. OK, can I tell you, yeah. Yeah,
go ahead. So I've got to tell you this, our daughter,
we had a daughter that had a a drug problem
and she had to go to rehab and
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I loved her so much that I never wanted her
to go back to the state that she was and
I worried about her mental health, her physical health, every
iota I worried about her and so I was just
like an eagle watching her. I was just like, oh,
should you do that? Should you have that? Should you
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wear that? Should you?
Like I was on her and I was actually driving
her away rather than um bringing her close and I
didn't realize it at all what I was doing that
I was almost um sabotaging all her health, but it
was because I loved her so so much and I
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never ever wanted to see her back in that place
again because I loved her so much.
And my suspicion is that your mom and dad love
you so much and they're so concerned that you're gonna
go back to an unhealthy state that they're like just
watching you like a hawk and I know it's miserable
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for you because it was miserable for my daughter and
the only way that I was able to to completely
uh release her to the Lord, even Brian was saying, Cheryl,
you're going too far.
was I had a vision from the Lord and I
saw her like at a like in a, I don't
know how to explain it, but it was like a
huge tube like that kids like climb up a ladder
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to go down a slide.
And she was climbing up this ladder inside this tube,
and as she climbed her face got brighter and brighter,
and she was smiling.
And the Lord said to me, Cheryl, I've got her
surrounded on all sides. She can only go up.
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And it was what set me free and so after
that I stopped um kind of what would you say
Brian I stopped like nagging her
Speaker 1 (17:55):
yeah well yeah I mean you know hovering
hovering
Speaker 2 (17:58):
the helicopter helicopter mom, right? I stopped that and I
was able just to commend all of her efforts. I
was able just to commend and tell her everything good,
everything beautiful, everything that was um.
So wonderful and you know she never went back. She's
like the most amazing person. You would look at her
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now and never know the struggle that she's been through.
But Annelise, I want to know one thing, are you
keeping a journal?
Um, no, I, I have before. Yeah, yeah, I think
a journal would be so good for you because you
could talk about your frustrations and I think that when
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you sit down to talk to your parents about this,
because it's, it's a good discussion to have, it's even
a good discussion to go with.
Um, maybe if you have one of the counselors from
the place that you've gotten out of and that you
just explain, you know, they're kind of hovering. I feel
like they don't trust me and then they'll say to you, well,
trust is something that's earned because obviously I've been through that. Um, they're, they're,
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they're gonna help you through this with your parents, but
I will tell you this, they don't mean to um.
To hover or to to um push you away, but
they're so dang concerned about you. They love you so much,
or they wouldn't be doing any of that. And if
you can see it as OK, they love me, they're
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driving me crazy, but they love me, they're driving me crazy,
but they love me. And even when your mom starts,
if you would walk over and give her a hug
and say, Mom, I know you're doing this cause you
love me, but maybe it's a little much right now.
I think she would really.
I think that would help. I mean, I know it's
both sides, so I don't want to put the whole
burden on you because you're the one who's healing, but
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I do think that it would help to bring her
into the process. So you know, those are, those are
my suggestions, but I wanna say congratulations, good job, because
you have come a long way and what you've done
and what you're going through, it's not easy.
But um.
You know, if, if you were here I I'd hug you.
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I'm so proud of you because it's an addiction it's
a hard thing. I've I struggled with um bulimia in
college and a little bit of anorexia when I um
after I got married because I felt like the expectations
of others were so high on me. I'm a new
pastor's wife and I had two kids and people started
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like criticizing me and I just wasn't ready for it
for uh the huge criticism.
And so I thought, well, I can't control this and
I can't control that, but I can control my body.
And then I started being um just faceidious about how
clean our house was faceidious about um my weight and
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food became my enemy so I know what that's like.
And I remember my mom who um came to me
and my dad, they sat me down and they said
we don't know what's going on with you.
But this isn't good. And you know, I think it
was just them affirming their love to me and their
acceptance of me, no matter what weight I was, no
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matter what was going on, no matter what people said
against me, I knew that my mom and dad were
for me and loved me and would always be on
my side. And it really went a long way to
help with the healing. And then my mom did this
crazy thing.
She said, I'm gonna give you $5 and I want
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you to buy yourself a chocolate chip malt once a week.
And I'm like, What? That's like the enemy, you know,
that's like what, 2500 calories or something. I actually used
to know the calorie count of everything and, uh, I
did it because my weight was pitiful. I mean, I'm
57 and I weighed 103 pounds and thought I looked great.
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I had one lady come up to me one time
and go, I bet you I never met this lady before,
and she goes, I bet you think you look good.
You don't. You look terrible. And I'm like, thank you
so much, you know, but skinny is not pretty, you know,
skinny's just not pretty. It's not attractive. It's just, but
it's in our mind and I still struggle with body dysphoria.
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I really do.
And I have to just say, you know what? I
was created by Jesus just the way I am. I
have to have these talks with myself, you know, and
especially now that I'm getting lines, it's like I am OK.
Jesus loves me just the way I am. My kids
love me, my grandkids love me, and it's not about
what I look like it's about how I treat others.
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It's about what I can um do for others, not
about what, um.
I feel about myself, but what can I do for others?
I teach Sunday school, which I just love, and I've
got some kids that need to be loved so desperately
and I've got little girls that need to be told
that they're perfect just the way they are and so um.
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All of that. I, I hope that helps somewhat, Annelise.
Yeah
And Dad, um, kind of put it, he was like, um, like,
just treat your body as like an instrument of the Lord,
like you don't want it to be something like,
Speaker 1 (23:27):
like if it's the way you're treating your body is
not allowing you to carry out the plans that God
has for you, then there's something wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah, and when you're young, you don't, you know, you
don't think so much about it, but when you get older,
you realize, you look back and you think, oh gosh,
you know, I should have taken better care of myself. So,
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you know, we do have, uh, as much as it's possible,
we do, it's part of our stewardship of what God
has given to us. So.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But again, a journal will help you to kind of
write the feelings down because what you're doing is making
food the enemy and I think there's other trauma.
Um, one of the ways to discover trauma, like what,
what is it I'm really going through is to process
when you write and when you write, you're processing or
when you talk out loud, you're processing. This is how
we as women process, you know, it's by talking it's
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about writing and I think.
If you keep a journal, um, you know, and a
lot of prayer in that journal and praying as you
even write, you know, make it prayers to the Lord.
I think you'll figure out kind of what the triggers are,
you know, because there are triggers and whatever those triggers are,
I think you'll, um, you'll figure it out a little
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bit too it'll help.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I was, I was gonna ask you about that
when you, when you were saying that because like it,
the doctors are like it could be bad.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I'm sorry, I missed that you're
Speaker 1 (24:51):
you're breaking up. Your phone's breaking up. But the
Speaker 2 (24:53):
doctor say it could be what? No,
Speaker 1 (24:56):
um,
Speaker 2 (24:57):
can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, they're like, well, it could be like this or that,
it could be biological, but like deep down inside,
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I really feel like it's just like something that I'm
not surrendering the Lord, and I just have like no
idea like what it is. I just feel like, Yeah,
I have no idea. Well, I don't know that it's
a lack of surrender. I think it's, um, there's a
book that's great, and it says the body keeps count
and um it's not written by a Christian, but uh
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the body keeps score.
And it's, it, it's that your body is dealing with
something that maybe um your mind or your heart aren't articulating.
I mean, it could even be like just the
You know, political unrest in the world and you don't
know how to deal with it and this is the
way you're coping with the stress because what it really
is is it's when we can't control something or we
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feel like something is out of our control what we
try to do is control our bodies and so something
feels out of control and you know there are times
when I don't know why I'm feeling the way I
am or you know why I'm acting the way I am.
And when I pray and when I talk to God
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and when I, I like to walk every day and
just talk to God because it's hard for me to
sit still, but when I walk and I talk to God,
I often figure out or he often reveals to me
exactly what I'm feeling and why I'm feeling um I'll
tell you one other story, Annelise, but um.
Before I met Brian, I went through, I was in college.
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Everything was going great for me on one level, and
I couldn't stop crying. I cried every single day and
I'm mainly, I mainly was really happy growing up, happy
all the time. My dad called me sunshine because I
was always happy, and I can't stop crying for two weeks.
And he pulls me into his office and he said, we,
we got to get to the end of this, you know,
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you gotta, you gotta stop this crying. It's driving mom
and I crazy. We don't know what to do or
what's wrong with you.
And so he said, I want you to go in
your room, and I believe in the baptism of the
Holy Spirit and I believe in the gift of tongues,
which my dad laid hands on me when I was
5 and prayed for and I received, and he said,
I want you to go in your room. I want
you to get on your knees and I want you
to pray in your prayer language until the Lord reveals
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what's going on. So I went in the other room
and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and
the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, you're gonna
be meeting.
Um, the one you're going to get married within a
short time and you're already feeling that pull away from
your parents and away from all the security and everything
you've known and you're grieving that even though um it
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hasn't happened yet because I'd had other boyfriends but I
was never serious and sure enough about a week after
Christmas I met Brian.
And of course, you know, he, he stole my heart
and we got married in May of that year. My
whole life was upended and it was different and I mean, uh,
when you get the love of your life, it just
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changes the dynamic of all your friendship, the dynamic of
all your relationships with anybody else, and I felt like
the Lord revealed to me what I couldn't have known
any other way. And once I, once I came to
terms with that, you know, I told my dad this
is what the Lord showed me, he said.
Well, I didn't expect that but does that mean you
could be happy now? I was like, yeah, it can be, it's,
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it's I'm, I'm fine. I realized that's it. So I
think Annalisa Lord wants to take you deeper and show
you something that you're feeling and it could even be
a spiritual something that the Lord is showing you.
And I don't think it's something like necessarily about surrender.
I think that's condemnation. I think maybe you're being called
into something deeper that maybe you're a little bit scared of,
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but maybe it's even closer with Jesus that he wants
to give you some gifts that you never even thought of.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Mhm.
Well, Annelise, it was great hearing from you today here
on Pastor's Perspective. It's almost break time. By the way,
maybe you might want to go to this, uh, conference tomorrow,
the When she Leads conference, whenheleads.org is how you can
find out about it, and, uh, you can do the,
the one day session. I don't know exactly where you
are in California, but you can get all the details there.
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And it's also on the Kwave.com events page. So got
to take a break now. We will be back with
more of your questions at 888-564-6173. Brian and Cheryl Broderson
from Echoes of Mercy.com are going to be here till
4 at 888-564-6173. Call in.
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One more thing I forgot to mention about the When
she Leads conference. Kwave is gonna be there. So if
you do go, make sure you, uh, stop by and
wave hi. This is Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number.
I'm Brian Perez here with Brian and Cheryl Broderson from
Echo Echoes of Mercy.com. No, sorry, how to do that one.
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He's he's discovered.
That's OK. We'll get a lot of um promotion because
you always like to do stuff like that. I do,
I do. And that way I'm saying the name 3 times.
That's amazing. OK, so I just have to say one thing, yes,
that's true, say one thing. Um, when Cheryl was talking
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like before the break, she was going down this long
list of just how confident she was in the love
that all these people had for her.
And the one person she left out of that was
her husband. So just for the record, I love you
Speaker 2 (31:23):
too, yeah, but
Speaker 1 (31:26):
kids, grandkids, parents.
Another sidebar.
Oh
All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call on Pastor's perspective.
You're Watts. That was, that was forever ago. You didn't
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have any kids to love you then, so don't that
Speaker 2 (31:49):
was part of it. I'm sorry, but that was.
OK,
Speaker 1 (31:55):
OK, this sidebar will remain on the
side.
Probably a good idea. OK, let's talk to Erica in
Corona listening on FM 107.9K wave. How can we help you, Erika?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Hi, thank you so much for taking my call and
just one quick sidebar, um, I'm a mom of a
kid who's 11 who's also going through a lot of
mental issues, so anxiety, all these things. So when you're speaking,
my heart just, is just.
It's just so strange, so just beating so hard because I,
I can hear everything that you're saying and, and what
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you're experiencing and as a mom, the pain of all
of that.
Um, so just, uh, before I ask my, my other
question is I know, uh, my son's when he's in
the middle of it, um, it's hard for him to
understand God. Um, can you just speak to that briefly,
like how, how can I, as a mom support that
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he knows and everyone that's going through mental issues that
they're young, that God does
Speaker 1 (32:59):
love
Speaker 2 (32:59):
them
Speaker 1 (33:00):
even though they're going through this.
And is it, is it anxiety? What did you say
it was? Is it
an anxiety OCD, yeah,
yeah, it's,
Speaker 2 (33:10):
it's, it's our fit which is a little bit, it's
a little bit of everything at the
Speaker 1 (33:14):
moment. He's
Speaker 2 (33:14):
doing so great. People
Speaker 1 (33:16):
love
Speaker 2 (33:16):
on him
Speaker 1 (33:16):
and pray for
Speaker 2 (33:17):
him,
Speaker 1 (33:17):
but yeah.
Yeah, and I think, you know, the, here's the the
difficulty that the challenge is, you know, these things are
nervous system disorders, they're, you know, they're, they're physiological problems.
I think they're rooted in that and they affect us,
you know, they affect the way we think and so
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it's hard.
The difficulty is it's hard to get.
clarity in your thought process, sometimes, and it's hard to
settle on just like, OK, God loves me and then
I just rest in that because, you know, like with anxiety,
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for example, you don't rest, you, you just keep everything
keeps going, your brain keeps going a million miles an hour.
You say, oh God loves me, and for a second
you kind of have that rest and then you're like, oh,
but what about this and that and the other thing, and,
you know, you go off like that. So,
The best thing to do is to know that.
Nothing changes.
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For him or any other person in relation to how
God feels about them at the time. So God doesn't
love you or he's not gonna help you more if
you have clear thoughts or you're able to get free
from fear and things like that. He loves you through
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all of that stuff, and he and he allows us
at times to go through those things and
There is a point, cause I've, I've been through some
of these things in my life. There's a point where
you just have to say, OK, regardless of how I feel.
This is the truth. God loves me, uh, and I'm
gonna just, uh, to the best of my ability, I'm
gonna rest in that and know that this thing that's
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preventing me from resting, God has control over that too.
And you just have to kind of put yourself in
a place where you, you just sort of repeat that
over as often as you need
to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, Erica, I know you're, you're asking as a
mom how you ministered to, especially an 11 year old, right?
Because you're can he get that in his brain? Yeah,
he's he's kind of helpless, but I think, uh, again,
prayer continually praying, um, but then sometimes just praying for
him like with him right there and just say, honey,
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let me pray for you and just even saying God,
I know how much you love him.
And I know that even these things you want to
use for glory, even the obsessive compulsive that makes him
feel like he doesn't fit in or he shouldn't be here.
I know that you've got a purpose, and there's you
don't make accidents, and I know that he was made
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in your image and he's special to you, and I
think one of the things that is missing.
And our whole culture, I'm talking Christian and non-Christian is
self acceptance and somehow we have this weird norm of
how we're supposed to feel and if we just feel
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like that nobody feels like that nobody feels like they've
got it together um unless they're a narcissist right.
And most people don't feel it so they're thinking oh
it's because I'm in the wrong body or because I've
got this problem or because I don't have this I
mean that's and we're not teaching as a society we're
not teaching in school we're not teaching what is your
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DNA telling you about because we don't believe we're created
we believe we're all accidents or that's what our our
culture is teaching us and so when we say you
were created by God.
And whatever you've got has special purposes, and I know
that they have special purposes that are yet undiscovered, and
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I know sometimes it makes you feel strange, but everybody
throughout history who is special, whether it was Einstein or Churchill,
you're gonna find that they all struggled with issues of
feeling that they didn't fit in.
Anyone who's done, I mean look at Elon Musk. I
mean he's got some, some OCD issues and he was
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able to invent one of the, you know, first, you know,
gasless cars so I think you know one thing would
be to look at um people who have those issues
and where they're at maybe put up posters of some
of these people and their accomplishments as a mom and
then you know just pray for him, pray with him.
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Um, just constantly and say, you know what, we're gonna
get through this together and I just know that you're
an awesome young man and that God can use even
these things that you don't like right now for for
something amazing. So I think that's how I would read
it chat to an 11 year old and that's coming
from a Sunday school teacher and you know.
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And a mom and a mom and a mom and
a grandma, yeah, and he's definitely he's listening right now
so I'm like that's what I tell him that's what
we do. Yep. I hope maybe hearing it from someone else.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
OK. I will
Speaker 2 (38:27):
also add on to that. Yeah, cause I have a
little OCD too. Brian will tell you, and I'm hyperactive
and I have um I have attention deficit for sure
cause it's hard for me to do that. And yet
it's allowed me to um.
You know, I once you kind of accept this is
just how I am, then you can kind of channel
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that energy and that's what I've learned to do to
channel the energy into, you know, use it just give
it to God, say right, use this for your glory
and and he does, you know, and uh all my friends,
they joke they say squirrel because they know I get
distracted really easily so um he's not alone in fact
that's I think why I love um.
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I love the little hyperactive boys in my class because
I relate to them. I know what it's like and so.
You know, someday he's gonna be a very compassionate, uh,
maybe Sunday school teacher because he'll understand. That'll be great.
Thank you so much, but,
Speaker 1 (39:28):
and I'm so sorry
Speaker 2 (39:29):
but that was a side note.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's my other question,
Speaker 2 (39:32):
or is that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 (39:33):
yeah, sure. OK,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
So the other question that I had that that uh
that was bothering me, um, or.
I just keep putting in my mind is a couple
weeks ago I heard a sermon about Acts I think
it's chapter 17 and uh the pastor was talking about
uh how he used the word nations. It just didn't
quite get it. He's saying something about God and put
nations and when and those bound and if those boundaries
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are mixed or crossed and that's when he comes up
and and and racism comes up.
And then, but then that just didn't make sense to
it just I didn't get it what from where he
was getting it from it was Acts chapter 17 when
Paul was talking about God um building, um, having made
all the nations so in that in that one sentence
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I don't know how he got that out of it
so it just wasn't just didn't get. Yeah, I don't
know how he got that out of it either. And then,
and then so then, so that that was like OK
and then.
So he said in this side of heaven, that's how
he wanted it to be like nations separated and if they,
the boundaries crossed and.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh right, revelation
and then then the word nation comes up
Speaker 2 (40:43):
again and then the healing of all nations. So then
I'm like, so then what is God's in intention of
that word? You know what I think, yeah, I wanna,
I wanna just say something then I know Brian's going to,
but years ago I read a book by Christopher Wright,
and it's called The God I Can't Understand. But anyway,
in that book, he talked about how
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In in the time to come when Jesus rules and
remains on the earth, he said there's something beautiful about
cultures and you know we're an amalgamation in the United
States and yet there is something beautiful from the cultures,
you know, I'm, I've I've, I'm part Irish and when
I went to Ireland, I was just like, oh this
is so fun, you know, and, and just to put
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in that on my dad's side I'm part French and
I'm English and I love tea. And so I what
he was talking about.
Is that every culture has specialities, every culture, and they're
not to be resented or to be rated or to
be uh you know compared like as one superior than
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the other, but they're to be enjoyed and he talked
about how the Bible constantly talks about how the nations
will bring their best to Jesus when he's on the throne.
That they'll bring and he was saying like the Greeks,
there's when I was in Greece, like some of the
outfits that these dancers wear, they're they're white and they
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wear these little berets and
They'll come dancing with this, you know, with their Greek
dancing before the Lord and we'll all be like, wow,
you know, and the Irish might bring their rain dancing,
you know, and doing this and their and their um
Celtic music with the fiddles. In other words, all of
this or you know, uh, you know, Mexico will will
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come with the um.
With the with their song and the salsa dancing, you know,
maybe a little bit purified or sanctified, but you know,
all the nations coming with what they do best and
what they know best with their best of their foods,
you know, I think you know one of my favorite
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things is, you know, I love Mexican food, right, and
I love Indian food we love Italian food.
But we love all the flavors in these different foods,
you know, and, and Chinese food and all these different
foods that they're gonna bring the best of their nation,
the best to Jesus and instead of it being a
comparative thing, it.
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Will be a thing where we all say, wow, glory
glory hallelujah glory. And so I think that what that
means is that God has had a hand in everything
that's beautiful about a culture. Um, I hope that helps
because that has been my understanding. Brian, what do, what
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do you want to add to that?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
OK.
So,
The word nations is the, it's, it's a word, it's
a Greek word, but you, I think you'll get it.
It's ethnos. And so that's we get the word uh
ethnic or ethnicity from the word ethnos. And it, it
means people groups. So, you know, we have nations today
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that are very uh specifically nations like the United States
is an independent nation.
In biblical times, it wasn't exactly like it is today,
but of course, you had a variety of different people groups.
You had Romans and you had, um,
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Jews, Arabians.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
You had Jews, Arabians, you had Ethiopians, you had, you know, just.
Uh, people groups. And so that's, so the word nations
in the Bible should probably better be understood as people groups.
And then, but what Paul is saying here is actually
really beautiful because what he's saying, it's, he's he's making
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clear that we all came from the same source. We
all came from the same person, and verse 26 says,
and he has made, got us made from one person.
Every nation of people to dwell on the face of
all the earth. So one blood, one person, he's talking
of course about Adam and Eve would be included, obviously
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could could make any people without Eve. And so, but
then it says, and he has determined their pre-appointed times
and the boundaries of their dwelling. So basically what Paul
is saying is that God has put, you know, so.
I, I happen to be born in California. Sheryl happened
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to be born in California. As we watch our lives unfold,
we realize that, oh, the plan of God has worked
out in our lives. God put us in a place
where his plan could be worked out. So he puts
people where they're going to be able to hear about
him and find him and flourish. That, that's what Paul
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is saying because he's appealing.
To people who are worshiping idols and he's calling them
away from the idolatry and he's talking to them about
the God who made everything and the God who is
looking to bring everybody into this beautiful relationship with
him.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And then of course the nations when you read that
another passage again it's the etnos but there is like a.
Cultural element too that's
Speaker 1 (46:14):
beautiful. Absolutely. Well, and you know when you talk about
ethnic food, what are you talking about? You're talking about
the foods of different groups, people groups, right? I think
I
Speaker 2 (46:23):
love them all,
Speaker 1 (46:23):
but you think of um.
You think of Zachariah, the end of Zechariah, and you
think of the Feast of Tabernacles, and it says, and
the nations shall bring their glory. Revelation says the same thing.
And so what does that mean? Well,
All of these wonderfully distinct features of these various cultures
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are gonna bring their stuff like those great dishes that
we ate in Peru.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1 (46:52):
they're gonna bring those to the feast, and so,
yes.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I, you know, it is, you know, what is it
in El Salvador papusas that you ate a few too
many there and just the just the the wonderful things
that um cultures have and again I think it goes
back to that almost self acceptance.
You know, where we have appreciation for each other rather
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than saying, oh, here's the norm that we all have to,
we have to
be
Speaker 1 (47:23):
fortunately because of fallen sinful nature, you know, well, my
culture is better than yours. We, we do this better
than you and you know, that's just part of the
pride of the sinful condition.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I hope that helps. Does that help, Erica?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Hang on, let me bring her back.
So I, so I just, so
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I, I,
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I think I was, I was getting all that,
Speaker 2 (47:42):
so just like, uh, so there was no intent of
God separating the ethnicity like,
Speaker 1 (47:48):
oh you're gonna stay in this group and this group
Speaker 2 (47:52):
mixing is that that's how that's what it
Speaker 1 (47:54):
was
coming out. OK, yeah, no, no, the only, yeah, I mean,
you know, some, some people have mistakenly taught that.
You shouldn't have like interracial marriage and and then they
try to use the Bible, you know, as a basis
for that. And what they do is they say, well, look,
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God forbid Israel from, you know, marrying or associating with
these groups of people, he did, but it had nothing
to do with, uh, uh, their ethnicity or or any
of that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It
Speaker 1 (48:26):
was their idolatry that God was, uh.
Protecting them
from
Speaker 2 (48:31):
and you look at Ruth, the Mobis who comes into
the line of Jesus and why? Because she chooses to
love God and walk with God. You look at Tamar,
who's a Canaanite. you look, and these are all people
in Bathsheba who was a Hittite. So these are all people.
It's interesting. Rahab, who again was a Canaanite, all these
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people are in the lineage of Jesus and they're all
gentile women.
With the exception of Mary,
Speaker 1 (48:59):
but, but yeah, I think on the other hand, um,
it sounds like the pastor was basically, I don't know,
it sounds like he was sort of saying like, yes,
we gotta have borders and God set it up this way. So,
you know, the immigration and all of that stuff. Now,
there is truth to that. God did set boundaries and Israel,
he said, OK, this is gonna be your land, you're
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gonna from, you know, from this place to this place
will be your land.
Uh, east and west, and from this place north and south,
this shall be the boundaries of your land, but it
never meant that nobody could cross the border just like
it doesn't mean
that today. But,
Speaker 2 (49:37):
but think about how many nations like World War One
was all about um.
The the um the river between France and Germany and
it was a it was a border dispute like who
got the land look at the Ukraine and Russia right
now it's because Russia wants the Ukraine. How many wars
have been fought over land grabs, you know, a majority,
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so God's saying you're not gonna do that. This is,
this is the place where you're at. Don't try to
get your neighbor's land so it's, it's partially that too.
I hope that helps, Erica.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Something else
I heard recently, uh, they were talking about the Tower
of Babel, Genesis 11:8, uh, where it says, so from there,
the Lord scattered them throughout the earth and they stopped
building the city. Um, that, that was something that was
brought up just as, uh, well, see, this here shows that, uh, it's,
it's a, you know, people are supposed to be separated.
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What would you say?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
That was a thing about to go out to all
the world. It wasn't about. Well,
Speaker 1 (50:39):
God had told them to be fruitful and multiply and
fill the earth and then they got stuck and they
said we don't wanna go, we want to stay together
and we wanna do our own thing so.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
And if we're stay together, then we can be greater
than God. So it was actually a pride issue and
a disobedience to God because God wanted them to again
fill the earth, um.
You know, populate the earth, and that was a refusal
to do that, but again remember we all come from.
Adam and Eve, we all come. I mean, there's, there's
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no Paul himself said there's neither Jew nor Greek barbarian, um.
Nor Sian or free, yeah, but Christ is all and
in all and so I mean again and it's not
about
that
Speaker 1 (51:28):
and that's the church. The church is the ideal what
God is wanting to do through the church is he's
wanting to break down all the barriers that that men
have built up over, you know, the centuries or whatever.
Uh, that, that have caused them to live in hostility
to each other, divided from each other and stuff. So,
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so when you come into the church, you're coming into
a whole new Peter calls it a, uh, a holy nation.
You're coming into a new group of people where there's
equality all the way across. Yep. All right, Annie in Vista,
thanks for calling into Pastor's perspective today. What's your question
for Brian and Cheryl?
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Hi there. Well, it's been fun listening. I listen all
the time, but I was taking notes because I'm at
home right now. OK, well, you were very patient because
you waited a long time. Oh, I didn't even need
to be patient. I love you guys. Um, so I
have someone in my life that was raised Catholic and
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they aren't saved yet.
And
Um, they're very, very sick and, and ready to die.
And so I heard Pastor Brian Broderson.
Give the name of a Catholic church.
Where the pastor priest slash pastor priest, uh, teaches from
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the Bible. He wanted to be able to give them. Yeah, well,
the problem with that is way down in San Diego,
that's where, yeah, this was in North County. This is
actually in Vista where you're calling from.
And this was 30+ years ago, so
Speaker 2 (53:16):
that. And the priest ended up feeling that celibacy was
not of God. Left the priesthood, um, the diocese was
super mad at him at the time for teaching the Bible,
left the priesthood and married a woman in the church,
and he is happily married to this day.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
But here's, here's what I would recommend that's even better
I think because obviously, you know.
They're in South County and and who knows what that
particular church is doing today because different priests will come
in with different, you know, ideas and so forth but
uh a program on YouTube called Word on Fire, Robert Barron,
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Bishop Robert Barron. Bishop Robert Barron is a Catholic bishop
who loves Jesus and loves the Bible, and he teaches
the Bible very, very well, and I would, um,
I mean, this, you know, they don't even have to
leave their house, they could just, if they've got a
a computer, they can tune in and you could even yourself,
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you know, maybe watch a couple of messages and recommend
to them that hey, this Catholic bishop, Roman Catholic bishop,
he is really dynamic, and he is, he's fantastic.
Yeah, so you can go to word on Fire.org and
go down to the very bottom, the footer of the
uh home page there, and you'll see the links to the, uh,
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YouTube channel for Bishop Robert Barron. Hey, thank you very much, Annie,
for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective. We have just
about run out of time. Oh my gosh, thank you
so much for joining us today. Thanks for listening. Thanks
for watching, and, uh, we'll see you at church on Sunday.
Including Sunday night, back to Basics Live, 6:30 back to
Basics Live, the Book of
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Acts
Speaker 2 (55:01):
and it's chapter
Speaker 1 (55:02):
chapter 21 and 22. And that's in
the fellowship hall.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
OK, don't try to do two if if you're trying
to cover too much. Remember, one chapter at a time
it will work.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I did a chapter and a half last week. I'm
doing a chapter and a half this week. Oh,
Speaker 2 (55:15):
scary.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
You keep the narrative. You got to stay with the narrative. OK.
All right guys, uh, we'll be back on Monday to
answer more of your questions here on Pastor's Perspective. For
Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Echoes of Mercy.com, I'm Brian
Perez and we'll talk to you next time. Bye-bye.
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. We are here on
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How you doing, folks?
Well,
I think we're doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, pretty well, you know, I was realizing that if
you ask anyone over 65 how they're doing, the answer
is always OK.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, we're doing better than OK, but today we did
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm not doing better than OK. I, I think OK
is an apt answer for you. Yes, yes, I'm feeling
my age. Ryan will never feel his age. He felt
his age in his twenties.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Um, well, today we did feel our age when we
walked this path and we got to a point where
they had
Oh yeah, we had to lock the gate and we
had to climb over it. We did and then
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I wouldn't recommend it for somebody who has man and
is 65, but we did it. Our dog was even intimidated.
I mean,
Speaker 1 (01:35):
the fence was only 4 ft high, but you know,
nevertheless
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think it was 3 ft
Speaker 1 (01:39):
high.
I don't want to sound like this is insurmountable.
You know, it kind of felt
Speaker 2 (01:49):
like that we could have walked right through that green
park and around it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We could have, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We didn't even realize that. Now that I'm thinking about it,
I'm like, we could have so walked around that thing,
but no, we decided to climb over it and our
dog kind of did the limbo underneath it, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How fun.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But he was just kind of like, what do we
do here? That's Barnabas black gold. What do we do here?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's OK, so yeah, that
Speaker 2 (02:23):
that was like with the Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That was the that was the adventure for today, and
now we're here. Yay, for more adventures. We did do
a little. Cheryl did a little yard work. She kind
of went.
Wild with the clippers and
Speaker 2 (02:39):
yes, well, there were just, you know, there were just
some some branches of these things that were blocking our window,
and I, I want the light to stream in. I
think that's like biblical. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think so. That's right. Amen. 888-564-6173 is our number.
You can also send in your questions online.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, I am going to going to the
Um, when she, when she leads conference out in Murrieta
and I'm very, very excited about it taking two of
my buddies and I have to, uh, pick up one
at 7:15 and then the reason I'm going tomorrow and
not tonight is one I don't want to pack for overnight,
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but two, I have a Sunday school, uh.
Appreciation dinner tonight and one of the reasons I'm dressed
like I am is because I am part of a
skit and I am Amanda for sure now I really
like this role because I still look like I surf,
which is really flattering for a 65 year old to
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give me such like a beachy part, but this is
the fun thing. I needed a puka shell necklace, right?
And I didn't want to buy one. Who wants to
buy puka shell necklaces, right?
And so I asked all my friends if anyone had
a Puka shell necklace, and the closest I got was
a friend who's close to my age who said.
I haven't had one since junior high, so that would
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be like 40 years or so, yeah, so all of
a sudden I said, Lord, inspire me and I realized
that in my Sunday school supplies I had a small
box of apple jacks and I had some elastic thread
and so I made one of the best, um, replicas
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imitation
Speaker 1 (04:28):
imitation puka shell
necklace.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I was there watching.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, and the great thing is it's also edible.
It's,
Speaker 2 (04:35):
that's right. If, if I don't like the food tonight, I, I,
I'm fine nibbling on
Speaker 1 (04:40):
your or should, should there
Speaker 2 (04:41):
be a famine? I'm fine. I got it. I got
my fake puka shell apple jack necklace.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's always great to have one. You never know.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It should be in everybody's emergency kit. Well,
Speaker 2 (04:57):
definitely your emergency kit, your emergency Sunday school appreciation dinner kit.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes,
for sure. There you go. But the great thing about
it is now I know what to get Cheryl for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
OK, please
Speaker 1 (05:11):
know for your skin.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I think Amanda for sure is like a, I don't
think they'll ask me to to do this again. The
other great thing is I'm supposed to bring props, so, uh,
Brian is coming with me. He's bringing one of his surfboards. No,
I wish, uh, 6, you have 6 surfboards, right? I
don't know.
This is so sad because I always say, could you,
could you please clear out like 3? So he's gonna
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bring one tonight. I said, choose your least favorite and
let's take it. And he goes, you know, I don't
really favor any of them. So I thought, my goodness,
how long have they been in our garage? And so,
you know what I use his surfboards for right now?
Water bottle storage. So when you get those big water
bottles as we do, and when they're empty, I store
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them in between the surfboards. It's like a shelf.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I thought you would use it as an ironing board
or something, but
Speaker 2 (06:05):
no, you can't because it's fiberglass. It could it hurt
Speaker 1 (06:08):
it.
I want that to happen. No,
Speaker 2 (06:09):
and plus it has wax on the one side. This could,
this could be very dangerous for you, very
Speaker 1 (06:13):
dangerous. So to find out about this conference, ladies, which
begins later today, whenheeads.org, we've also got a link on Kwave.com.
Or you
Speaker 2 (06:21):
could go just for the date tomorrow, which I'm doing
very
Speaker 1 (06:24):
good.
OK. 888-564-6173 is our number. You can also send in
your questions online, which is from what, uh, Tim from Prescott,
Arizona did. He writes, Please shed some light on Matthew
27 verses 52 and 53, which reads in the New
Living translation, Tombs opened. The bodies of many godly men
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and women who had died were raised from the dead.
They left the cemetery after Jesus's resurrection.
Went into the holy city of Jerusalem and appeared to
many people. So Tim asks, did these dead believers resurrect
and witness Jesus at that time and then die again
at some point later? When I came across this passage,
I was very surprised. What do you guys say?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is perplexed quite a few people, and I don't
think anyone's quite sure about this. What my father used
to say is he believed that these were those who
were passing.
From, um, what do you call paradise to heaven, um,
but it wasn't, it wasn't that they were seen, but
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it wasn't that they, um, what do you want to say,
went back to their old lifestyles or anything it was
a transitory thing. Would you agree with that, right? Transitory?
Of course it's their bodies. It's like a crazy thing, huh?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean that you know this is this is a.
A passage that like you said, has perplexed many. It's
caused even really otherwise good scholars to say, maybe this
is a little bit of mythology, which we do not
agree with, um, but yeah, I mean, you know, you
wish Matthew would have.
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Add a little more detail like and then they lived
for the rest of, you know, a whole another.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They moved into the south quarter of Muslim yeah you
know what's interesting though too is that we don't know
if they had seen Ben Hur kind of gives you
a little bit.
We've been her Tza and her mom are there and
she's got leprosy and they were so hoping to see
Jesus so she could be cured and then they see
the crucifixion and as the rain comes down, Tsa is
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cleared of her leprosy again Ben Hur is his.
fiction, but that is such a powerful I don't think
I've ever watched Ben He without crying at that part,
but it, it was a powerful moment when um the
veil was torn. Jesus said it is finished, the veil
is torn the um, the rocks were split in half
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and something incredible happened.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean, as you read it, it seems like
it's there's kind of two things happening. The veil is torn.
The rocks are split, the graves are opened.
But then after the resurrection of Jesus, so this would be,
you know, the 3 days later, that's when these uh
saints appeared in the city. So again, was it just
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um briefly they appeared, uh, which saints were it? I
think most people would say they were more like local
saints versus somebody like Abraham or Moses or someone like that. So,
but it's one of those passages that just is there
and you're like, wow, that that's amazing.
But we don't know any of the details that we
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wish we knew about it. So, OK, Tim, thank you
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And that'll take you right to the pastor's perspective page.
Hang on, there's like a sidebar going on here in
the studio about this passage. What, what? It's a little
bit of a dispute. Oh, OK. But, but you didn't
want to do it on mic. Well, no, because, you know,
when you're right, you don't want to embarrass the other person,
you wanna just kind of let it go by.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's interesting.
I think I've missed those three words every time I've
read that after his resurrect. I always thought it happened
at the same time. Well, it sounds like I was
the person who was wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It sounds like
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I can say that you
Speaker 1 (10:35):
know this is like the second week in a row
that you were wrong about something and you
you actually have
Speaker 2 (10:40):
admit it, confessed it publicly, you know what, Brian, because
I'm 65 and you know I'm humble. What can I say?
I've been in Humboldt
Speaker 1 (10:48):
and you're also wrong about a video that we were
talking about when we were on our way up here,
but that is for a later.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well, I can't wait to see you get up there,
but while you're up there looking through all of our DVDs,
will you water the plants?
There are very few VHS. You know,
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was in our son's office the other day and
he has some plants in there, you know.
And you know, he's just going around talking to me
and he's just watering them and I'm thinking that you
know this kid like he was the one out of
our 4 kids. He was the one kid that would
disappear and you would wonder where he went and you
would go up and he would be cleaning his bedroom.
It's like.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
It was when he was um actually it was when
he was restricted to his bedroom he would clean it
and rearrange it and he'd be like, Hey mom, and
I'd be like, OK, are you sorry? because, well, check
out my closet and he would have color coded his
his clothes. He would have redone.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I was just so impressed with him watering his plants
because I have thought about how many times we have
decided to be plant people and that has never lasted
very long.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
One of us has decided to be plant people. One
of us, I has only watered when he was asked,
could you please water? And the other person has been neglectful.
I will say that. Plants, I think, get scared when
they see me coming like that's the woman that doesn't
give us anything to drink. Don't go home with her.
Don't go
Speaker 1 (12:12):
you
know what I noticed today that our tomato plant was
pretty dry because I watered all the other plants and
then I
Speaker 2 (12:18):
did I stuck my finger down and it was wet
below the.
Surface so that's what you're supposed to do. So we
have a tomato plant and we got the most delicious
tomato off of that plant because yeah one but there's
one still but you know there's nothing like homegrown tomatoes
and the way they smell when little Calvary was built,
it was surrounded by tomato fields and they were letting
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them go, um, uh, feral and so we were able
to collect as many tomatoes as we wanted and the smell.
Of tomatoes that are allowed to ripen on the vine
and the taste is so rich, it's so good.
OK, on that we agree.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
We did that in
unison, yes, it was beautiful. So we have another sidebar
discussion going on in the studio really quick about the
same passage. Could these, uh, resurrected saints have been the
great cloud of witnesses that we read about in Hebrews 12? No, no,
no. OK.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Sorry, Johnny.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We'll discuss later since we are surrounded by so great
a cloud of witnesses, the cloud of witnesses we're surrounded
by are all the people that have been talked about
in the previous chapter 11 so
it's, you know,
Speaker 2 (13:28):
chapter 11 so what it's saying is actually you have
all these examples that are rooting for you that really
want you and then are inspiring you to faith, which
is interesting because right now I'm working on a Bible study.
I don't know who it's gonna be for that's called
By faith that's just gonna look at Hebrews chapter 11.
Because that's like one of my favorite chapters.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's a good one. All right, let's go to the
phones now 888-564-6173, beginning with Ann Elise in California. Hello,
welcome to Pastor's Perspective.
Hi, um, can you hear me? Barely. Yeah. Oh,
no, OK, tell me when it's better. I don't
Speaker 2 (14:09):
know. I think you's a
Speaker 1 (14:11):
little better yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Are you trying to be quiet?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No.
Um, hi, thank you for, yeah, thank you guys for
being here. I was like, I turned on passage perspective,
and when it said Brian and Cheryl, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm gonna OK, Annelise, right now you're my favorite person.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So what's going on? Great to hear from you. Actually,
yeah, oh, I'm glad, yeah, I'm glad you guys remember me,
but um, I got out of treatment, um.
Um, I, I mean, yeah, just to, you know, with brush.
I was, I am struggling.
But, um,
Speaker 2 (14:52):
an eating
Speaker 1 (14:52):
disorder
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and it
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really
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sucks. It does really like. I don't even know how
to explain it to people, honestly, just like the amount
of noise that's like in my head, like every single
day around like every single like meal, it's it's not
normal like.
It really sucks, and like, I need food to live, like,
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that's the way God created us, and, and so,
But yeah, I got to a healthy weight and treatment
and um
And then I got out and uh my family's like
not not very happy about it,
Speaker 1 (15:32):
and
not very happy that you got out or what?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Not very happy that I got out because um They
want you to spend more time there? Are they worried
about you? Yeah. Yeah. OK, can I tell you, yeah. Yeah,
go ahead. So I've got to tell you this, our daughter,
we had a daughter that had a a drug problem
and she had to go to rehab and
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I loved her so much that I never wanted her
to go back to the state that she was and
I worried about her mental health, her physical health, every
iota I worried about her and so I was just
like an eagle watching her. I was just like, oh,
should you do that? Should you have that? Should you
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wear that? Should you?
Like I was on her and I was actually driving
her away rather than um bringing her close and I
didn't realize it at all what I was doing that
I was almost um sabotaging all her health, but it
was because I loved her so so much and I
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never ever wanted to see her back in that place
again because I loved her so much.
And my suspicion is that your mom and dad love
you so much and they're so concerned that you're gonna
go back to an unhealthy state that they're like just
watching you like a hawk and I know it's miserable
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for you because it was miserable for my daughter and
the only way that I was able to to completely
uh release her to the Lord, even Brian was saying, Cheryl,
you're going too far.
was I had a vision from the Lord and I
saw her like at a like in a, I don't
know how to explain it, but it was like a
huge tube like that kids like climb up a ladder
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to go down a slide.
And she was climbing up this ladder inside this tube,
and as she climbed her face got brighter and brighter,
and she was smiling.
And the Lord said to me, Cheryl, I've got her
surrounded on all sides. She can only go up.
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And it was what set me free and so after
that I stopped um kind of what would you say
Brian I stopped like nagging her
Speaker 1 (17:55):
yeah well yeah I mean you know hovering
hovering
Speaker 2 (17:58):
the helicopter helicopter mom, right? I stopped that and I
was able just to commend all of her efforts. I
was able just to commend and tell her everything good,
everything beautiful, everything that was um.
So wonderful and you know she never went back. She's
like the most amazing person. You would look at her
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now and never know the struggle that she's been through.
But Annelise, I want to know one thing, are you
keeping a journal?
Um, no, I, I have before. Yeah, yeah, I think
a journal would be so good for you because you
could talk about your frustrations and I think that when
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you sit down to talk to your parents about this,
because it's, it's a good discussion to have, it's even
a good discussion to go with.
Um, maybe if you have one of the counselors from
the place that you've gotten out of and that you
just explain, you know, they're kind of hovering. I feel
like they don't trust me and then they'll say to you, well,
trust is something that's earned because obviously I've been through that. Um, they're, they're,
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they're gonna help you through this with your parents, but
I will tell you this, they don't mean to um.
To hover or to to um push you away, but
they're so dang concerned about you. They love you so much,
or they wouldn't be doing any of that. And if
you can see it as OK, they love me, they're
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driving me crazy, but they love me, they're driving me crazy,
but they love me. And even when your mom starts,
if you would walk over and give her a hug
and say, Mom, I know you're doing this cause you
love me, but maybe it's a little much right now.
I think she would really.
I think that would help. I mean, I know it's
both sides, so I don't want to put the whole
burden on you because you're the one who's healing, but
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I do think that it would help to bring her
into the process. So you know, those are, those are
my suggestions, but I wanna say congratulations, good job, because
you have come a long way and what you've done
and what you're going through, it's not easy.
But um.
You know, if, if you were here I I'd hug you.
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I'm so proud of you because it's an addiction it's
a hard thing. I've I struggled with um bulimia in
college and a little bit of anorexia when I um
after I got married because I felt like the expectations
of others were so high on me. I'm a new
pastor's wife and I had two kids and people started
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like criticizing me and I just wasn't ready for it
for uh the huge criticism.
And so I thought, well, I can't control this and
I can't control that, but I can control my body.
And then I started being um just faceidious about how
clean our house was faceidious about um my weight and
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food became my enemy so I know what that's like.
And I remember my mom who um came to me
and my dad, they sat me down and they said
we don't know what's going on with you.
But this isn't good. And you know, I think it
was just them affirming their love to me and their
acceptance of me, no matter what weight I was, no
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matter what was going on, no matter what people said
against me, I knew that my mom and dad were
for me and loved me and would always be on
my side. And it really went a long way to
help with the healing. And then my mom did this
crazy thing.
She said, I'm gonna give you $5 and I want
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you to buy yourself a chocolate chip malt once a week.
And I'm like, What? That's like the enemy, you know,
that's like what, 2500 calories or something. I actually used
to know the calorie count of everything and, uh, I
did it because my weight was pitiful. I mean, I'm
57 and I weighed 103 pounds and thought I looked great.
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I had one lady come up to me one time
and go, I bet you I never met this lady before,
and she goes, I bet you think you look good.
You don't. You look terrible. And I'm like, thank you
so much, you know, but skinny is not pretty, you know,
skinny's just not pretty. It's not attractive. It's just, but
it's in our mind and I still struggle with body dysphoria.
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I really do.
And I have to just say, you know what? I
was created by Jesus just the way I am. I
have to have these talks with myself, you know, and
especially now that I'm getting lines, it's like I am OK.
Jesus loves me just the way I am. My kids
love me, my grandkids love me, and it's not about
what I look like it's about how I treat others.
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It's about what I can um do for others, not
about what, um.
I feel about myself, but what can I do for others?
I teach Sunday school, which I just love, and I've
got some kids that need to be loved so desperately
and I've got little girls that need to be told
that they're perfect just the way they are and so um.
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All of that. I, I hope that helps somewhat, Annelise.
Yeah
And Dad, um, kind of put it, he was like, um, like,
just treat your body as like an instrument of the Lord,
like you don't want it to be something like,
Speaker 1 (23:27):
like if it's the way you're treating your body is
not allowing you to carry out the plans that God
has for you, then there's something wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah, and when you're young, you don't, you know, you
don't think so much about it, but when you get older,
you realize, you look back and you think, oh gosh,
you know, I should have taken better care of myself. So,
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you know, we do have, uh, as much as it's possible,
we do, it's part of our stewardship of what God
has given to us. So.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
But again, a journal will help you to kind of
write the feelings down because what you're doing is making
food the enemy and I think there's other trauma.
Um, one of the ways to discover trauma, like what,
what is it I'm really going through is to process
when you write and when you write, you're processing or
when you talk out loud, you're processing. This is how
we as women process, you know, it's by talking it's
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about writing and I think.
If you keep a journal, um, you know, and a
lot of prayer in that journal and praying as you
even write, you know, make it prayers to the Lord.
I think you'll figure out kind of what the triggers are,
you know, because there are triggers and whatever those triggers are,
I think you'll, um, you'll figure it out a little
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bit too it'll help.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I was, I was gonna ask you about that
when you, when you were saying that because like it,
the doctors are like it could be bad.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I'm sorry, I missed that you're
Speaker 1 (24:51):
you're breaking up. Your phone's breaking up. But the
Speaker 2 (24:53):
doctor say it could be what? No,
Speaker 1 (24:56):
um,
Speaker 2 (24:57):
can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, they're like, well, it could be like this or that,
it could be biological, but like deep down inside,
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I really feel like it's just like something that I'm
not surrendering the Lord, and I just have like no
idea like what it is. I just feel like, Yeah,
I have no idea. Well, I don't know that it's
a lack of surrender. I think it's, um, there's a
book that's great, and it says the body keeps count
and um it's not written by a Christian, but uh
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the body keeps score.
And it's, it, it's that your body is dealing with
something that maybe um your mind or your heart aren't articulating.
I mean, it could even be like just the
You know, political unrest in the world and you don't
know how to deal with it and this is the
way you're coping with the stress because what it really
is is it's when we can't control something or we
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feel like something is out of our control what we
try to do is control our bodies and so something
feels out of control and you know there are times
when I don't know why I'm feeling the way I
am or you know why I'm acting the way I am.
And when I pray and when I talk to God
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and when I, I like to walk every day and
just talk to God because it's hard for me to
sit still, but when I walk and I talk to God,
I often figure out or he often reveals to me
exactly what I'm feeling and why I'm feeling um I'll
tell you one other story, Annelise, but um.
Before I met Brian, I went through, I was in college.
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Everything was going great for me on one level, and
I couldn't stop crying. I cried every single day and
I'm mainly, I mainly was really happy growing up, happy
all the time. My dad called me sunshine because I
was always happy, and I can't stop crying for two weeks.
And he pulls me into his office and he said, we,
we got to get to the end of this, you know,
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you gotta, you gotta stop this crying. It's driving mom
and I crazy. We don't know what to do or
what's wrong with you.
And so he said, I want you to go in
your room, and I believe in the baptism of the
Holy Spirit and I believe in the gift of tongues,
which my dad laid hands on me when I was
5 and prayed for and I received, and he said,
I want you to go in your room. I want
you to get on your knees and I want you
to pray in your prayer language until the Lord reveals
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what's going on. So I went in the other room
and I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and
the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, you're gonna
be meeting.
Um, the one you're going to get married within a
short time and you're already feeling that pull away from
your parents and away from all the security and everything
you've known and you're grieving that even though um it
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hasn't happened yet because I'd had other boyfriends but I
was never serious and sure enough about a week after
Christmas I met Brian.
And of course, you know, he, he stole my heart
and we got married in May of that year. My
whole life was upended and it was different and I mean, uh,
when you get the love of your life, it just
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changes the dynamic of all your friendship, the dynamic of
all your relationships with anybody else, and I felt like
the Lord revealed to me what I couldn't have known
any other way. And once I, once I came to
terms with that, you know, I told my dad this
is what the Lord showed me, he said.
Well, I didn't expect that but does that mean you
could be happy now? I was like, yeah, it can be, it's,
(28:24):
it's I'm, I'm fine. I realized that's it. So I
think Annalisa Lord wants to take you deeper and show
you something that you're feeling and it could even be
a spiritual something that the Lord is showing you.
And I don't think it's something like necessarily about surrender.
I think that's condemnation. I think maybe you're being called
into something deeper that maybe you're a little bit scared of,
(28:46):
but maybe it's even closer with Jesus that he wants
to give you some gifts that you never even thought of.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Mhm.
Well, Annelise, it was great hearing from you today here
on Pastor's Perspective. It's almost break time. By the way,
maybe you might want to go to this, uh, conference tomorrow,
the When she Leads conference, whenheleads.org is how you can
find out about it, and, uh, you can do the,
the one day session. I don't know exactly where you
are in California, but you can get all the details there.
(29:15):
And it's also on the Kwave.com events page. So got
to take a break now. We will be back with
more of your questions at 888-564-6173. Brian and Cheryl Broderson
from Echoes of Mercy.com are going to be here till
4 at 888-564-6173. Call in.
(30:19):
One more thing I forgot to mention about the When
she Leads conference. Kwave is gonna be there. So if
you do go, make sure you, uh, stop by and
wave hi. This is Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number.
I'm Brian Perez here with Brian and Cheryl Broderson from
Echo Echoes of Mercy.com. No, sorry, how to do that one.
(30:41):
He's he's discovered.
That's OK. We'll get a lot of um promotion because
you always like to do stuff like that. I do,
I do. And that way I'm saying the name 3 times.
That's amazing. OK, so I just have to say one thing, yes,
that's true, say one thing. Um, when Cheryl was talking
(31:04):
like before the break, she was going down this long
list of just how confident she was in the love
that all these people had for her.
And the one person she left out of that was
her husband. So just for the record, I love you
Speaker 2 (31:23):
too, yeah, but
Speaker 1 (31:26):
kids, grandkids, parents.
Another sidebar.
Oh
All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call on Pastor's perspective.
You're Watts. That was, that was forever ago. You didn't
(31:46):
have any kids to love you then, so don't that
Speaker 2 (31:49):
was part of it. I'm sorry, but that was.
OK,
Speaker 1 (31:55):
OK, this sidebar will remain on the
side.
Probably a good idea. OK, let's talk to Erica in
Corona listening on FM 107.9K wave. How can we help you, Erika?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Hi, thank you so much for taking my call and
just one quick sidebar, um, I'm a mom of a
kid who's 11 who's also going through a lot of
mental issues, so anxiety, all these things. So when you're speaking,
my heart just, is just.
It's just so strange, so just beating so hard because I,
I can hear everything that you're saying and, and what
(32:33):
you're experiencing and as a mom, the pain of all
of that.
Um, so just, uh, before I ask my, my other
question is I know, uh, my son's when he's in
the middle of it, um, it's hard for him to
understand God. Um, can you just speak to that briefly,
like how, how can I, as a mom support that
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he knows and everyone that's going through mental issues that
they're young, that God does
Speaker 1 (32:59):
love
Speaker 2 (32:59):
them
Speaker 1 (33:00):
even though they're going through this.
And is it, is it anxiety? What did you say
it was? Is it
an anxiety OCD, yeah,
yeah, it's,
Speaker 2 (33:10):
it's, it's our fit which is a little bit, it's
a little bit of everything at the
Speaker 1 (33:14):
moment. He's
Speaker 2 (33:14):
doing so great. People
Speaker 1 (33:16):
love
Speaker 2 (33:16):
on him
Speaker 1 (33:16):
and pray for
Speaker 2 (33:17):
him,
Speaker 1 (33:17):
but yeah.
Yeah, and I think, you know, the, here's the the
difficulty that the challenge is, you know, these things are
nervous system disorders, they're, you know, they're, they're physiological problems.
I think they're rooted in that and they affect us,
you know, they affect the way we think and so
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it's hard.
The difficulty is it's hard to get.
clarity in your thought process, sometimes, and it's hard to
settle on just like, OK, God loves me and then
I just rest in that because, you know, like with anxiety,
(33:59):
for example, you don't rest, you, you just keep everything
keeps going, your brain keeps going a million miles an hour.
You say, oh God loves me, and for a second
you kind of have that rest and then you're like, oh,
but what about this and that and the other thing, and,
you know, you go off like that. So,
The best thing to do is to know that.
Nothing changes.
(34:21):
For him or any other person in relation to how
God feels about them at the time. So God doesn't
love you or he's not gonna help you more if
you have clear thoughts or you're able to get free
from fear and things like that. He loves you through
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all of that stuff, and he and he allows us
at times to go through those things and
There is a point, cause I've, I've been through some
of these things in my life. There's a point where
you just have to say, OK, regardless of how I feel.
This is the truth. God loves me, uh, and I'm
gonna just, uh, to the best of my ability, I'm
gonna rest in that and know that this thing that's
(35:05):
preventing me from resting, God has control over that too.
And you just have to kind of put yourself in
a place where you, you just sort of repeat that
over as often as you need
to do it.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, Erica, I know you're, you're asking as a
mom how you ministered to, especially an 11 year old, right?
Because you're can he get that in his brain? Yeah,
he's he's kind of helpless, but I think, uh, again,
prayer continually praying, um, but then sometimes just praying for
him like with him right there and just say, honey,
(35:38):
let me pray for you and just even saying God,
I know how much you love him.
And I know that even these things you want to
use for glory, even the obsessive compulsive that makes him
feel like he doesn't fit in or he shouldn't be here.
I know that you've got a purpose, and there's you
don't make accidents, and I know that he was made
(36:00):
in your image and he's special to you, and I
think one of the things that is missing.
And our whole culture, I'm talking Christian and non-Christian is
self acceptance and somehow we have this weird norm of
how we're supposed to feel and if we just feel
(36:21):
like that nobody feels like that nobody feels like they've
got it together um unless they're a narcissist right.
And most people don't feel it so they're thinking oh
it's because I'm in the wrong body or because I've
got this problem or because I don't have this I
mean that's and we're not teaching as a society we're
not teaching in school we're not teaching what is your
(36:44):
DNA telling you about because we don't believe we're created
we believe we're all accidents or that's what our our
culture is teaching us and so when we say you
were created by God.
And whatever you've got has special purposes, and I know
that they have special purposes that are yet undiscovered, and
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I know sometimes it makes you feel strange, but everybody
throughout history who is special, whether it was Einstein or Churchill,
you're gonna find that they all struggled with issues of
feeling that they didn't fit in.
Anyone who's done, I mean look at Elon Musk. I
mean he's got some, some OCD issues and he was
(37:29):
able to invent one of the, you know, first, you know,
gasless cars so I think you know one thing would
be to look at um people who have those issues
and where they're at maybe put up posters of some
of these people and their accomplishments as a mom and
then you know just pray for him, pray with him.
(37:51):
Um, just constantly and say, you know what, we're gonna
get through this together and I just know that you're
an awesome young man and that God can use even
these things that you don't like right now for for
something amazing. So I think that's how I would read
it chat to an 11 year old and that's coming
from a Sunday school teacher and you know.
(38:12):
And a mom and a mom and a mom and
a grandma, yeah, and he's definitely he's listening right now
so I'm like that's what I tell him that's what
we do. Yep. I hope maybe hearing it from someone else.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
OK. I will
Speaker 2 (38:27):
also add on to that. Yeah, cause I have a
little OCD too. Brian will tell you, and I'm hyperactive
and I have um I have attention deficit for sure
cause it's hard for me to do that. And yet
it's allowed me to um.
You know, I once you kind of accept this is
just how I am, then you can kind of channel
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that energy and that's what I've learned to do to
channel the energy into, you know, use it just give
it to God, say right, use this for your glory
and and he does, you know, and uh all my friends,
they joke they say squirrel because they know I get
distracted really easily so um he's not alone in fact
that's I think why I love um.
(39:10):
I love the little hyperactive boys in my class because
I relate to them. I know what it's like and so.
You know, someday he's gonna be a very compassionate, uh,
maybe Sunday school teacher because he'll understand. That'll be great.
Thank you so much, but,
Speaker 1 (39:28):
and I'm so sorry
Speaker 2 (39:29):
but that was a side note.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's my other question,
Speaker 2 (39:32):
or is that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 (39:33):
yeah, sure. OK,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
So the other question that I had that that uh
that was bothering me, um, or.
I just keep putting in my mind is a couple
weeks ago I heard a sermon about Acts I think
it's chapter 17 and uh the pastor was talking about
uh how he used the word nations. It just didn't
quite get it. He's saying something about God and put
nations and when and those bound and if those boundaries
(39:58):
are mixed or crossed and that's when he comes up
and and and racism comes up.
And then, but then that just didn't make sense to
it just I didn't get it what from where he
was getting it from it was Acts chapter 17 when
Paul was talking about God um building, um, having made
all the nations so in that in that one sentence
(40:19):
I don't know how he got that out of it
so it just wasn't just didn't get. Yeah, I don't
know how he got that out of it either. And then,
and then so then, so that that was like OK
and then.
So he said in this side of heaven, that's how
he wanted it to be like nations separated and if they,
the boundaries crossed and.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh right, revelation
and then then the word nation comes up
Speaker 2 (40:43):
again and then the healing of all nations. So then
I'm like, so then what is God's in intention of
that word? You know what I think, yeah, I wanna,
I wanna just say something then I know Brian's going to,
but years ago I read a book by Christopher Wright,
and it's called The God I Can't Understand. But anyway,
in that book, he talked about how
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In in the time to come when Jesus rules and
remains on the earth, he said there's something beautiful about
cultures and you know we're an amalgamation in the United
States and yet there is something beautiful from the cultures,
you know, I'm, I've I've, I'm part Irish and when
I went to Ireland, I was just like, oh this
is so fun, you know, and, and just to put
(41:25):
in that on my dad's side I'm part French and
I'm English and I love tea. And so I what
he was talking about.
Is that every culture has specialities, every culture, and they're
not to be resented or to be rated or to
be uh you know compared like as one superior than
(41:48):
the other, but they're to be enjoyed and he talked
about how the Bible constantly talks about how the nations
will bring their best to Jesus when he's on the throne.
That they'll bring and he was saying like the Greeks,
there's when I was in Greece, like some of the
outfits that these dancers wear, they're they're white and they
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wear these little berets and
They'll come dancing with this, you know, with their Greek
dancing before the Lord and we'll all be like, wow,
you know, and the Irish might bring their rain dancing,
you know, and doing this and their and their um
Celtic music with the fiddles. In other words, all of
this or you know, uh, you know, Mexico will will
(42:32):
come with the um.
With the with their song and the salsa dancing, you know,
maybe a little bit purified or sanctified, but you know,
all the nations coming with what they do best and
what they know best with their best of their foods,
you know, I think you know one of my favorite
(42:52):
things is, you know, I love Mexican food, right, and
I love Indian food we love Italian food.
But we love all the flavors in these different foods,
you know, and, and Chinese food and all these different
foods that they're gonna bring the best of their nation,
the best to Jesus and instead of it being a
comparative thing, it.
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Will be a thing where we all say, wow, glory
glory hallelujah glory. And so I think that what that
means is that God has had a hand in everything
that's beautiful about a culture. Um, I hope that helps
because that has been my understanding. Brian, what do, what
(43:34):
do you want to add to that?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
OK.
So,
The word nations is the, it's, it's a word, it's
a Greek word, but you, I think you'll get it.
It's ethnos. And so that's we get the word uh
ethnic or ethnicity from the word ethnos. And it, it
means people groups. So, you know, we have nations today
(43:58):
that are very uh specifically nations like the United States
is an independent nation.
In biblical times, it wasn't exactly like it is today,
but of course, you had a variety of different people groups.
You had Romans and you had, um,
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Jews, Arabians.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
You had Jews, Arabians, you had Ethiopians, you had, you know, just.
Uh, people groups. And so that's, so the word nations
in the Bible should probably better be understood as people groups.
And then, but what Paul is saying here is actually
really beautiful because what he's saying, it's, he's he's making
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clear that we all came from the same source. We
all came from the same person, and verse 26 says,
and he has made, got us made from one person.
Every nation of people to dwell on the face of
all the earth. So one blood, one person, he's talking
of course about Adam and Eve would be included, obviously
(45:05):
could could make any people without Eve. And so, but
then it says, and he has determined their pre-appointed times
and the boundaries of their dwelling. So basically what Paul
is saying is that God has put, you know, so.
I, I happen to be born in California. Sheryl happened
(45:28):
to be born in California. As we watch our lives unfold,
we realize that, oh, the plan of God has worked
out in our lives. God put us in a place
where his plan could be worked out. So he puts
people where they're going to be able to hear about
him and find him and flourish. That, that's what Paul
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is saying because he's appealing.
To people who are worshiping idols and he's calling them
away from the idolatry and he's talking to them about
the God who made everything and the God who is
looking to bring everybody into this beautiful relationship with
him.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
And then of course the nations when you read that
another passage again it's the etnos but there is like a.
Cultural element too that's
Speaker 1 (46:14):
beautiful. Absolutely. Well, and you know when you talk about
ethnic food, what are you talking about? You're talking about
the foods of different groups, people groups, right? I think
I
Speaker 2 (46:23):
love them all,
Speaker 1 (46:23):
but you think of um.
You think of Zachariah, the end of Zechariah, and you
think of the Feast of Tabernacles, and it says, and
the nations shall bring their glory. Revelation says the same thing.
And so what does that mean? Well,
All of these wonderfully distinct features of these various cultures
(46:46):
are gonna bring their stuff like those great dishes that
we ate in Peru.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1 (46:52):
they're gonna bring those to the feast, and so,
yes.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I, you know, it is, you know, what is it
in El Salvador papusas that you ate a few too
many there and just the just the the wonderful things
that um cultures have and again I think it goes
back to that almost self acceptance.
You know, where we have appreciation for each other rather
(47:19):
than saying, oh, here's the norm that we all have to,
we have to
be
Speaker 1 (47:23):
fortunately because of fallen sinful nature, you know, well, my
culture is better than yours. We, we do this better
than you and you know, that's just part of the
pride of the sinful condition.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I hope that helps. Does that help, Erica?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Hang on, let me bring her back.
So I, so I just, so
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I, I,
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I think I was, I was getting all that,
Speaker 2 (47:42):
so just like, uh, so there was no intent of
God separating the ethnicity like,
Speaker 1 (47:48):
oh you're gonna stay in this group and this group
Speaker 2 (47:52):
mixing is that that's how that's what it
Speaker 1 (47:54):
was
coming out. OK, yeah, no, no, the only, yeah, I mean,
you know, some, some people have mistakenly taught that.
You shouldn't have like interracial marriage and and then they
try to use the Bible, you know, as a basis
for that. And what they do is they say, well, look,
(48:15):
God forbid Israel from, you know, marrying or associating with
these groups of people, he did, but it had nothing
to do with, uh, uh, their ethnicity or or any
of that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It
Speaker 1 (48:26):
was their idolatry that God was, uh.
Protecting them
from
Speaker 2 (48:31):
and you look at Ruth, the Mobis who comes into
the line of Jesus and why? Because she chooses to
love God and walk with God. You look at Tamar,
who's a Canaanite. you look, and these are all people
in Bathsheba who was a Hittite. So these are all people.
It's interesting. Rahab, who again was a Canaanite, all these
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people are in the lineage of Jesus and they're all
gentile women.
With the exception of Mary,
Speaker 1 (48:59):
but, but yeah, I think on the other hand, um,
it sounds like the pastor was basically, I don't know,
it sounds like he was sort of saying like, yes,
we gotta have borders and God set it up this way. So,
you know, the immigration and all of that stuff. Now,
there is truth to that. God did set boundaries and Israel,
he said, OK, this is gonna be your land, you're
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gonna from, you know, from this place to this place
will be your land.
Uh, east and west, and from this place north and south,
this shall be the boundaries of your land, but it
never meant that nobody could cross the border just like
it doesn't mean
that today. But,
Speaker 2 (49:37):
but think about how many nations like World War One
was all about um.
The the um the river between France and Germany and
it was a it was a border dispute like who
got the land look at the Ukraine and Russia right
now it's because Russia wants the Ukraine. How many wars
have been fought over land grabs, you know, a majority,
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so God's saying you're not gonna do that. This is,
this is the place where you're at. Don't try to
get your neighbor's land so it's, it's partially that too.
I hope that helps, Erica.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Something else
I heard recently, uh, they were talking about the Tower
of Babel, Genesis 11:8, uh, where it says, so from there,
the Lord scattered them throughout the earth and they stopped
building the city. Um, that, that was something that was
brought up just as, uh, well, see, this here shows that, uh, it's,
it's a, you know, people are supposed to be separated.
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What would you say?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
That was a thing about to go out to all
the world. It wasn't about. Well,
Speaker 1 (50:39):
God had told them to be fruitful and multiply and
fill the earth and then they got stuck and they
said we don't wanna go, we want to stay together
and we wanna do our own thing so.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
And if we're stay together, then we can be greater
than God. So it was actually a pride issue and
a disobedience to God because God wanted them to again
fill the earth, um.
You know, populate the earth, and that was a refusal
to do that, but again remember we all come from.
Adam and Eve, we all come. I mean, there's, there's
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no Paul himself said there's neither Jew nor Greek barbarian, um.
Nor Sian or free, yeah, but Christ is all and
in all and so I mean again and it's not
about
that
Speaker 1 (51:28):
and that's the church. The church is the ideal what
God is wanting to do through the church is he's
wanting to break down all the barriers that that men
have built up over, you know, the centuries or whatever.
Uh, that, that have caused them to live in hostility
to each other, divided from each other and stuff. So,
(51:50):
so when you come into the church, you're coming into
a whole new Peter calls it a, uh, a holy nation.
You're coming into a new group of people where there's
equality all the way across. Yep. All right, Annie in Vista,
thanks for calling into Pastor's perspective today. What's your question
for Brian and Cheryl?
(52:11):
Hi there. Well, it's been fun listening. I listen all
the time, but I was taking notes because I'm at
home right now. OK, well, you were very patient because
you waited a long time. Oh, I didn't even need
to be patient. I love you guys. Um, so I
have someone in my life that was raised Catholic and
(52:34):
they aren't saved yet.
And
Um, they're very, very sick and, and ready to die.
And so I heard Pastor Brian Broderson.
Give the name of a Catholic church.
Where the pastor priest slash pastor priest, uh, teaches from
(52:57):
the Bible. He wanted to be able to give them. Yeah, well,
the problem with that is way down in San Diego,
that's where, yeah, this was in North County. This is
actually in Vista where you're calling from.
And this was 30+ years ago, so
Speaker 2 (53:16):
that. And the priest ended up feeling that celibacy was
not of God. Left the priesthood, um, the diocese was
super mad at him at the time for teaching the Bible,
left the priesthood and married a woman in the church,
and he is happily married to this day.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
But here's, here's what I would recommend that's even better
I think because obviously, you know.
They're in South County and and who knows what that
particular church is doing today because different priests will come
in with different, you know, ideas and so forth but
uh a program on YouTube called Word on Fire, Robert Barron,
(53:53):
Bishop Robert Barron. Bishop Robert Barron is a Catholic bishop
who loves Jesus and loves the Bible, and he teaches
the Bible very, very well, and I would, um,
I mean, this, you know, they don't even have to
leave their house, they could just, if they've got a
a computer, they can tune in and you could even yourself,
(54:17):
you know, maybe watch a couple of messages and recommend
to them that hey, this Catholic bishop, Roman Catholic bishop,
he is really dynamic, and he is, he's fantastic.
Yeah, so you can go to word on Fire.org and
go down to the very bottom, the footer of the
uh home page there, and you'll see the links to the, uh,
(54:39):
YouTube channel for Bishop Robert Barron. Hey, thank you very much, Annie,
for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective. We have just
about run out of time. Oh my gosh, thank you
so much for joining us today. Thanks for listening. Thanks
for watching, and, uh, we'll see you at church on Sunday.
Including Sunday night, back to Basics Live, 6:30 back to
Basics Live, the Book of
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Acts
Speaker 2 (55:01):
and it's chapter
Speaker 1 (55:02):
chapter 21 and 22. And that's in
the fellowship hall.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
OK, don't try to do two if if you're trying
to cover too much. Remember, one chapter at a time
it will work.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I did a chapter and a half last week. I'm
doing a chapter and a half this week. Oh,
Speaker 2 (55:15):
scary.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
You keep the narrative. You got to stay with the narrative. OK.
All right guys, uh, we'll be back on Monday to
answer more of your questions here on Pastor's Perspective. For
Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Echoes of Mercy.com, I'm Brian
Perez and we'll talk to you next time. Bye-bye.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.