November 21, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Was that you?
You're adding some uh color or something to the song.
It's the Brian Broderson remix. No, you know, I was
doing some percussion. Nobody. Yes, nice. This is Pastor's perspective. Hi,
Brian Perez here with Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com.
How you guys doing?
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Uh, great. Brian's over there keeping the beat, yeah, yeah,
we're doing good. We had a nice little walk around
our big block today with our dog, with our dog
who's 9 but acting like he's 22, yeah.
Yeah, like 6 o'clock in the morning he's like, OK, it's, it's,
we gotta go on a walk, and you know, so
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you don't walk the dog. The dog walks you, the dog, yeah, absolutely. Yes.
You know what's so weird? It's my dog. I wanted
this dog so much. This dog was a gift to
you from your children. Children. I wanted this dog. I
asked Brian if I could have a dog. He was like,
I never want a dog again. Never want a dog again.
And we got this dog.
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And this dog, who I have loved from the moment
he was in my arms, this dog prefers my husband.
When Brian's not here, I take that dog on a
walk like at least 6 days a week, and he
loves Brian more. He cuddles with Brian every morning. He, like,
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you know, just if Brian doesn't pet him, his paw
goes up. If Brian walks away from us while we're
on a walk and I have to hold the leash,
he's inconsolable. He doesn't want to move from that spot
till he sees Brian again.
When we would drive in the car, if Brian got
out of the car to go into Pete's to get, uh,
us coffee, Barnabas will only stare out the window waiting
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for him. And if you say something to him, he's like,
not right now. I need my master. And just keeping
his eyes peeled on that door, and then he's just
so relieved when Brian comes back. It's like, it's all right.
It's a guy thing. Brian's here, just a couple of dudes, yeah,
but it, it's just crazy. I, I don't understand this.
He just loves you so much and I'm like, wait.
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I'm, I'm the one who wanted you takes him to
the vet. You're the one who does everything for him.
I buy his food sometimes. Oh, yeah, sometimes, but I
feed him a lot. I think you forget to feed
him a lot. No, I don't forget to feed him.
I just feed him when I'm eating, but he just
bugs Brian, and you know, it's so funny because Brian
complains about everything. Oh, he wants out. Oh, he wants in.
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Oh, he wants food. Oh, he wants a bone. I'm like,
it's a dog and Brian's like, I mean Brian's given
Barnabas more human traits than I have given him, and
Brian expects him to act human. Like he'll be like,
why is he doing this? And I'm like, he's a dog.
Brian's like, oh yeah, you know, so that might be
part of it and being his favorite, he pesters me,
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not her. It's like she's, she's, you know, reading her Bible,
just doing her thing. He's just laying on the floor.
I walk in the room. It's like, OK, I can
get a bone now. Where's my bone? Give me my
bone right now. Why didn't you get a bone from her?
I mean, I'm, why do I have to get the bone?
These are, these are the things that I buy the bones. Yes,
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but you have to give it. They're, they're the bone.
They're the cleaning teeth bones, and he loves them. He
just looks forward to them. Look at us. We are
just so old. I mean, this is what we're talking about,
you know. Well, we're not talking about our infirmities. We're
not talking.
About all the things that are wrong with us physically, yeah,
we have kids and grandkids, but let's talk about the
dog because the dog is actually the only person who
lives with us now. That's right. So you know, there
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you go. You did it again. We had a lady
call into the radio station earlier and, uh, I asked
her what she's thankful for, which, by the way, if
you guys call in today to 888-564-6173.
Might ask you what you're thankful for, but, uh, yeah,
she's got 7 kids, 40 grandkids, and 15 great grandkids.
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Oh yes, that amazing or what? That's incredible. And she, and,
and then she says, and every night I pray for
them each by name. I'm like, you remember.
All of their names. I mean, that's 62. That is
Brian's dad tattooed all his kids' birthdays on his fingers
just so you'd remember. Not his fingers, his arm. Oh,
his arm. I thought it was on his back of
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his feet or so. It's on his arm. Like, wait,
whose birthday is it? It's December.
He did it. He tattooed him himself too. That's true. Like,
that tells you a little bit about Brian's dad. Needless
to say, Brian was not raised in a Christian home.
Christians can tattoo their kids. That's true. But I mean,
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at the time, at the time, Christians can tattoo their.
Kids, is that what you said? Their kids' birthdays. Oh,
I didn't hear that part. I was like, Whoa, wait
a minute. Hang on. Yeah, I mean, just, but I'm
saying he has quite a few kids, so he had
to attend to them in their birthdays. He's probably. I
think he's hell, Mike, we love you. I don't think he, yeah,
I don't think. All right, give us a call 888-564-6173.
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Let's go right to the phones. Here is Carolina in
La Puente listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Welcome, Carolina.
Hi, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, what did
you want to ask us today? Ditto, ditto on the dog.
I love, I'm a, I'm a dog mom myself, so
I love dog stories.
A dog mom. I like that. So my question, my
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question is, um, OK, so, um, when Christ took the
cross on Calvary and when they say he died and
he conquered the grave, when he rose from the grave,
for those 3 days, where did he go for those
3 days?
Yeah, so the question on the screen is when Christ died,
did he really go to hell?
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And go to hell? Yeah, well, hell, you know, the
problem with hell is that it is, um, one word sometimes,
especially in like the older translation, the King James and
even the new King James, um, hell, uh, is the
English translation of a couple of different words. And so, um,
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the word here.
Uh, is that, uh, of, um, Hades, which would be
more like the grave. So when we think of hell,
I think most people like, you know, you're asking was
Jesus like in the fire of hell. I mean, wow,
you know, what would that be like? And some people
have actually suggested that, but it's not true. No, no,
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Jesus went into the grave, he went into the, the
realm of the dead.
And he was there in the realm of the dead
and then when he rose, uh, he brought with him
those who were in that realm who had died in faith.
So does that answer your question, Carolina, or wait, I
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think Cheryl wanted to answer. Well, I, I'm thinking about, um, Jesus'
parable of Lazarus because when he tells the parable, um,
in Luke 16, I'm, I was looking at, but, um,
when he tells the parable, he, he, yes, Luke 16
verses 19 through
Um, 21 or 31, sorry, he, in that, he, he
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says that hell is divided into these two places, you know, one,
is also called Abraham's bosom, where those who had died
before Christ because they didn't have enough righteousness to, you know,
go to heaven, and Jesus came having paid that price,
but the, the people who loved God, who had faith,
they went into Abraham's bosom where they were comforted.
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And there was a huge chasm and those who had
um not walked with the Lord were on the other
side and you know they could see um others being
comforted but they could not cross over and it is
those who were in what we would call Abraham's bosom
who were resurrected with Christ and uh he led captivity
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captive as it says and gave gifts to men.
So Carolina, other than your dog, what are you thankful for?
My dogs.
More than one.
What kind of dog? Yes, 33 pit bulls. Uh, Cloudy,
he's an all white albino. He's deaf, God-given gift, uh,
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pet bull, and then his brother Sonny, uh, just, you know,
like the sun, and then Sky, his sister. So I
have 33 of them, and yeah, they're, they're a God,
they're a God gift. So Carolina is doing a weather forecast, sunny, cloudy,
and sky. Whenever I look up there they are in
the sky. Oh yeah, our dog tried to pick on.
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On a female pit bull today. Actually she was the
more aggressive one as we were walking by, but our dog,
he's a poodle, he's half poodle and half golden retriever,
and he will not step back from a fight. He's like,
you want to pick on someone? Well, I'm here and
you're like, No, Barnabas, no, we have to do, you know,
sit down, lay, you know, just everything to calm him down.
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He's like, hey, I was doing that for you. I mean,
he even got in a fight with a Labrador over
a stick at the beach one time.
It's just absolutely ridiculous, you know, so he, I don't know,
I don't think he knows he's a dog.
No, well, because Brian gives him so many human treats that. No,
not human treats, but definitely dog treats. Yeah, no traits
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because I wasn't about to have any grandkids and be
responsible for any puppies because I would have called every
person I got a dog and been like, Did you
take care of them? Did you feed them? Did you
put a sweater on them? Did you do this? They
would have been like, Here's your dog back. Here's your
grandchild back. Exactly.
So they're all fixed because I'm not gonna be responsible
for I think that's why, yeah, our daughter, her cat
just had 7 kittens and it's time to find other
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houses for them.
And I'm like, you need to find other houses. She
lives in Connecticut and she's like, but they're so cute.
I'm like, you are turning into a cat lady. She,
she just, she has 2 dogs already and now these
7 kittens plus her own cats, which she has 3.
We're like, you have 10 cats. You have got to
give them away and there are people who want them too.
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So it's like.
10 cats. That's like 9 too many, I think. Oh yeah,
that's too many. What, 1 is good enough. 01 is
more than enough, definitely.
Well, thank you all so much. I really appreciate you
guys taking my time and uh the love that uh
you guys have for animals. Yeah, thank you so much, Caroline. 888-564-6173.
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That's the number for you to call in with your
questions today. And now we're gonna talk to Carla in Fontana,
who's also listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hey, Carla,
what are you thankful for?
Hello
My pets too, but where do I even begin for
everything that God has done for us, you know.
Amen. Be here forever, yeah, but my question is,
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I've read in the Bible like where it talks about
Paul's sins when he was like persecuting Christians, but he
was forgiven due to his ignorance.
OK, most people, myself included, when we sin, we're not
doing it out of ignorance. We know what we're doing.
Is there a difference? And, I mean, I know there's
a difference about doing it in ignorance and doing it deliberately,
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but that doesn't change the fact that our sins are forgiven, correct?
Doesn't change the fact if you're repentant, if you're really sorry,
if you confess. I mean, when you look at 1
John 1:9, it doesn't say if you confess your unintentional sins,
God is faithful and just to forgive you.
It says if you confess your sins and honestly what
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what John is talking about in First John the uh
you know apostle John is mainly intentional sins because he
talked about people who continue to practice sin so obviously
they know what they're doing so, so, um, God forgives
that's just what he does anyone who comes to him.
You know, it says in Ezekiel, if the, if the
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wicked will forsake their way, you know, God promises, uh,
forgiveness even then in the Old Testament, you know, if
they'll come, they'll repent and change their ways, yeah, and
I thank God for that. So anyway, you guys have
a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thanks, Karla and Carla, be free and
no condemnation, OK.
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Yes, alrighty, thank you. I love you guys. Thank you
so much. You know, I was thinking, you know, in
the passage in Exodus where the Lord is, you know,
basically just expressing who He is, um, he's merciful. He's gracious.
He's full of compassion, forgiving transgression. Yeah, and that's a
good one. Transgression is willful sin, willful sin, mhm, yeah.
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Remember how, um.
Leo G Venetti used to have that song willful. We
all had to say disobedient, willful. He was, he was,
he was a pastor for a time in San Diego,
but before that he.
He was one of the most entertaining worship leaders I've
ever heard. Talent. He was a really a worship leader.
He was more just a, well, he could do both,
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but he could do, yeah, yeah, that's true. He was
so incredibly gifted. Yeah, he is and gifted, good singer, but, um,
when he would do that, he, it was, it was hilarious,
but it is the idea like of willful disobedience. You,
you repent and.
God is so, so gracious, willing to forgive even those purposeful. Well,
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you know, you think of the prodigal son, you know,
the parable that Jesus told, and I mean, obviously that
prodigal knew what he was doing, you know, he said,
you know, Father, give me my inheritance. You know, I
don't want to live here. I don't want you. I,
you know, wanna go live life like I want to.
And he went out knowing that his father was loving,
knowing that his father was good.
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And yet his father was willing to forgive him everything.
Very nice. 888-564-6173 is the number to call, and here
now is Sam, who's listening to us on the KWave app.
First of all, Sam, thank you for downloading the app
and thank you for calling 888-564-6173. What are you thankful
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for this season, Sam?
Uh, probably Chick fil A.
Do you work there? No, I just like it. It's
like that's our grandson, one of our grandson's favorite, favorite places.
We're always like suggesting hamburgers and he's like, Can't we
go to Chick fil A? So what do you do
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on Sundays when you can't go to Chick fil A?
Uh,
Nothing. Yeah, but you gotta get it on Saturday and
just right overnight.
Yeah, so what's your question for us, man?
Um, excuse me, um, it kind of goes along with
the other caller, um.
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It, it seems to me, I could be wrong. Maybe
it's just too good to be true, but it's like,
is grace really free because
See, it feels like to me that if you keep
on sinning and doing the same sin over and over
and over again, and answer forgiveness.
It doesn't seem to me like you're, you're safe and
going to heaven. I think it has to do with sincerity.
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Because if you're, if you're sincere and you're really like, God,
I don't want to live like this, you know, Brighton
had a great grandmother and she was an alcoholic and
she hated her alcoholic behavior. She hated how she was living,
she hated all of that, but she could not save
herself and I remember her telling me, um, her testimony
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they called her granny.
And one day she said she was just at the
end of a rope and she said God save me
and she said from that moment on she'd never had
a drink again. It was just, you know, it was
that moment she was through and God received her and
forgave her and.
That was the story she would tell over and over
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again that for how many years was she an alcoholic, Brian?
Quite a few, like 40, 50 years, 30, 30, yeah,
but you know, I think that again, you know, Paul
says grace is not a license to sin. I think
the key factor in this is God knows when we're sincere,
when we really want help, when we really want to stop,
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when we want to be free.
That, that would be my answer, Brian. What would you
add to that? Um, I just was going to read
a verse to you, Sam, from Romans chapter 4.
Uh, let me read a couple of verses. It says, um,
it says if Abraham was justified by works, he has
something to boast about, but not before God. Uh, for
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what does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it
was credited to him for righteousness. Now, to the one
who works, pay is not credited as a gift, but
as something that is owed.
But to the one here it is, the one who
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does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly.
That person's faith is credited for righteousness. So I, I
love this passage because, you know, Paul just says, I
mean this is the clearest like for him who does
not work but believes that's free grace right there.
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What do you think, Sam?
Sounds too good to be true. Yes, you know, it does.
I mean that that's why it's called the good news
because it's like, wait a minute, are you kidding me?
But you know, I think to like free grace and
I think that we, we limit it to simply, oh
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God has forgiven my sins and he's blessing me when
I don't deserve it and it also says um.
That uh Paul also talks about grace that teaches us
to live um righteously and godly in in Titus that
the grace of God teaches us to live righteously and
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godly so grace is not just um God forgiving us
when we don't deserve it. Grace is also a teacher.
That is moving in us to live righteously and live
godly teaching us how and how to say no grace
is the power of God working in us to resist sin.
When you truly, truly receive the grace of God, you
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don't want to sin anymore. It, it changes, uh, every
fiber of your being, but I think the problem is
with some of these Greek words like grace, um.
And which is uh charis in Greek that we limit it,
we make it um smaller and we take away the
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definition and we just give it one definition, one understanding.
When grace is just this incredible multifaceted gift, it's God's
favor it's God's work in us that's why Paul would
say that you know that we don't need to be under,
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you know, in Galatians he would talk about how you
don't need to be under the law or looking at the.
Rule book constantly because the grace of God when it's
in us and working in us we will naturally yield
to the spirit and walk in the spirit and as
Paul said those who walk in the spirit do not
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fulfill the desires of the flesh and when he talks
about the desires of the flesh, that's like the cravings
towards sin.
So I think that part of it is that grace
and you said, you know, is grace really free grace
is I think grace is costly. I mean it costs
Jesus everything on the cross and to receive grace we
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have to be willing to give our sin up in
exchange so I think there's a great exchange that it
costs us what is hurting us and ruining us, um.
And then comes in and works in us and gives
us all that we don't deserve. Does that make sense, Sam?
Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm a Christian and I keep
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doing the same thing over and over and over again,
and I'm like, I don't think I'm saved because if
I was saved, I wouldn't, I would like stop. Yeah,
but also, um, you know, I think the fact that,
that you recognize that this is wrong and you don't
want to do it and you
You know, you are grieved over it. That indicates that
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you are saved because if you weren't saved, you probably
wouldn't care. You, you wouldn't be thinking about it and
you certainly wouldn't be calling us to ask us about it. So, look, we,
we all struggle and we're all growing.
This is why the Bible tells us grow in the
grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus. And Paul,
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you know, here, here's a good little exercise for you. Read, read,
you know, tonight maybe, uh, or tomorrow. Read Romans 7.
And then follow all the way in and read Romans 8,
because in Romans 7 Paul is really, he describes the
very thing you're talking about. The good that I want
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to do I don't do. The evil I don't want
to do, I do. What the heck is the matter
with me? And then he says, it's, he says it's
no longer I who do it, but it's sin that
lives inside of me. And he says, O wretched man,
who will deliver me from this body of death? And
then here's the answer I thank God through Jesus Christ
our Lord.
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So Jesus delivers us from that and we need to
learn to walk in obedience to Him, walking in the spirit,
and that's a lifetime. You're, you know, this is, this
is a lifetime journey.
And and you're growing and you know Sam, there are
some people that immediately when they call out they're delivered
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and they don't do it anymore and for others it's
a process of laying it down like I said Brian's
grandmother called out how many times and uh continued to
drink and hated herself for it and then one day
she got to the end and said.
You know, God, I can't live like this. I don't
want to do this anymore and something was broken. So
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keep calling on the Lord, keep asking him for that
grace that can come in and deliver you from this addiction.
You know, because addictions can be broken by the spirit
of God and you just have to keep crying out
and then too, um, Romans also talks about not making
any provision for the flesh so if there is something.
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In your life, the trigger, you know, that trigger, and
I know that when you go to Alcoholics Anonymous, they'll
talk about what are the triggers, you know, what are
the things that you're leaving in your house, you know,
you say, oh I don't want to do that, but
you leave it. It's like going on a diet and
filling your freezer with ice cream and saying I really
want to lose weight, you know.
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You know, and yeah, but the problem is at a
low moment and you don't have any other food you're
gonna go for the ice cream. The the way to
diet is to get rid of every type of fattening
food out of your refrigerator out of your cupboards, and
put in healthy food. So it's not just getting rid
of the food, it's putting in good food, the good things,
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you know, it's like.
It's like changing habits it's like um listening to Bible studies,
getting together with friends and fellowshipping, um, dedicating yourself to prayer,
walking when you, uh, at those times that you're really
tempted it's about changing behavioral patterns and this is what
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the Holy Spirit will do.
Because the grace of God will come in and teach
us how to live righteously, it will teach us how
to change those patterns. It will teach us what those
triggers are and how to get rid of those triggers.
If it's pornography, it will help you to find um some.
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Things on the Internet to stop, uh, to, you know,
what do you call them guards, so you can't go
to those sites. So there are ways and again you
have to make no provision for that that sin you
have to cut off that's why Jesus said mortify.
That the deeds of, you know, sin mortify, get rid
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of anything that that causes you the triggers that move
you in that way and really, you know, fill your house,
your heart with the health food so that you can
um really, really um live righteously and the Holy Spirit
will show you, OK.
Get rid of that.
You know, keep this, get rid of that, you know.
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When it comes to the ice cream, and I'm not
pointing you out, Pastor Brian, but you might.
Have something to say about this. No, um, do you
think
To use that example of ice cream, that, you know,
they go on a diet, but they still keep ice
cream in their freezer. Do you think it's like a
way because they're saying, no, I know I can do this,
so I'm going to keep the temptation there, just so,
you know, like I'm not gonna put guards on my
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phone because that'll be like saying, I have no self-control. I,
so they're gonna not put a guard on their phone,
they're gonna keep ice cream in the in the freezer.
Because they want, they want to prove that they can
do this. Yeah, but you know, anytime I'm trying to
prove anything, you know, it's interesting because Jesus said, let
your yes be yes and your no be no, because
anything more than that is from the devil. And I
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think whenever we're trying to prove I'm strong, we're really weak.
Because it's Christ in us making us strong. And I
think that his spirit is telling us to
So to the spirit and to sow to the spirit,
you have to have spiritual habits. You have to have spiritual, uh, disciplines.
You have to read your Bible. You have to be
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in fellowship, you know, you, you can't grow without fellowship, without,
you know, like, just like a, a seed needs a
good soil and water and sunlight.
Uh, and oxygen to grow. So Christians need spiritual food
to grow, and you don't, you, you know, you have
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to get rid of, I mean, even take the pebble
of the sower, you know, you have to get rid
of the weeds, you know, you have to really begin
to put in and invest into your spiritual life.
Sam, thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective.
We're coming up to our break, so let's read one
that was sent in online on Facebook. Hello, pastors, Tim
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from Upland here. I was wondering, back in the days
of Noah, when God tells him to build the ark
and preach the gospel, what did the gospel consist of
at that time, as compared to the entirety of the
gospel we have now?
Well, I don't, I don't think, I don't remember ever
hearing the word gospel in the Noah story. No, it's
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not in the Noah story. He preached righteousness. He was
a preacher of righteousness of righteousness. Yeah. So I think
it's different because I think what he was trying to
say is righteousness is to seek the Lord. Righteousness is
to walk with God, to resist the Nephilim. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, remember Noah is living in a time when the,
when wickedness is, is at such a
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Uh, an intense level that God destroys the entire population
of the world. So this is like, you know, incredibly
wicked time. So for Noah to preach righteousness, he's preaching,
you know, you, you need to turn to God. You
need to do what God says, um, you need to
do the right thing. So it wasn't.
A gospel message like, uh, hey, you need to turn
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to Jesus. It was, you know, they had a, they
had a knowledge of the fact that God was the
Creator and they needed to turn back to the Creator
and live according to his standards. Yeah, I would think
it would be kind of like Nineveh and Jonah.
You know, Jonah's message to Nineveh was repent, you know,
or you'll be judged. 40 days instruction and repent means
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turn around. You're walking away from God, walk towards God,
and I think that would be probably a lot like
Noah's message. But isn't that like a workspace righteousness or
workspace help? No, I think it's saying.
Acknowledge God and give up the sin. You know, when
you read about the days of Noah, I mean, it's,
it's pretty bad. I mean, the intermarriage, the demonic activity,
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and I think what he's saying is turn away from
these demons and turn to God. Yeah, and it's pre-gospel,
you know, so gospel is where the grace of God.
has appeared to all people through the gospel. So before
the gospel comes, people are responsible for what they know
about God. So we assume the generation of Noah knew
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about God, but turned away from him. So Noah's message
would be turned back to God.
Thanks for submitting your question on the pastor's perspective Facebook Messenger,
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Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com are here, 888-564-6173.
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What, what, we're back. Oh, we're back. Yes, 888-564-6173. We're
gonna be here till 4 o'clock, so call in with
your questions 888-564-6173. Do you dream that number at night ever?
I probably say it in my sleep, and I probably, I've,
I've almost given out this number instead of my own
phone number and vice versa. I've almost given out my
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cell phone number here. That's funny. Well, we know Ed Stetzer, uh.
He repeats it in his sleep because you know he's
Ed doesn't even know his own phone number for his
own show on Saturday mornings at 9 here on Kwave.
All right, 888-564-6173. When Ed's on, he always wants to
give the number. That's his, I let him. It's the
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one day a week. I don't have to. His, um,
his primary reason for coming on the program is to
tell us what the phone number is. Tell the listeners
what the phone. Does he really say that? He always
does it. Yeah, he loves doing it, but he always
has to look at it on the wall. Oh, he does.
So it's not even like it's not from his heart.
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He's reading a script. He's reading a script that's always
so disillusioning to me. I have hid thy phone number
in my heart that I might be able to call to.
Kevin and you're Belinda listening on FM 107.9 K wave.
What are you thankful for, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh, I'm thankful for everything.
Um,
I wanted to call and get your opinion on what
I call personal worship versus attending uh church services. Um,
I was born, I was raised as a Catholic.
But many years ago, I just, I
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I decided to be non-denominational and
Just attend non non-denominational uh uh church services, but due
to some unfortunate events, I felt the need to communicate
with God.
More directly if that's and and more than just sitting
in my house talking to him, but.
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I found a church that was open all the time.
And I could go anytime I wanted to sit in
the church and talk to God then, and I was
just wondering, is that.
Uh, OK, as far as.
worshiping God and Jesus and
Reducing the number of times I go to church.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I think that, sir, you know, speaking to the Lord
in the chapel is fantastic, and I think that praying
and worshiping the Lord.
You know with your whole heart any time you can
is awesome, but I would say to you that you need, uh,
you need Christian friends and, and you need to be
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under the word of God being taught and I think
those are two incredible components of church to actually meet
the body because it gives you a chance to learn
how to serve and to interact and to have friendships
and I know.
Friendships can sometimes be hurtful or they can be scary,
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but we need them, we need them, and I, I'm
thinking about Hebrews chapter 10 where it says, um, verse 24,
and let us consider one another in order to stir
up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of
ourselves together as the manner of some, but exhorting one
another and so much the more as you see the
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day approaching, so.
What that scripture in Hebrews is saying is that we
need to be in community with other believers. It's really important.
And when you're in community with other believers,
And you're all listening to the word.
Being taught the word of God, being taught you're all
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growing together and you get this uh sharedness just like
when you grow up in a family you have shared experiences,
you know, um.
You, you know what your dad said and you'll all
be able to quote your dad or, you know, your
mom or you'll have these memories that are shared that
that draw you together and um.
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Make you really mindful and appreciative of you know your
parents for the most part if you've got a good
family like I did but um I think that um
what you're doing is great but I think to add
to that to maybe go to at least try one
service a week would be, you know, really good to
go to the church service when people are there and
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um there's someone speaking. I think it would be really good. What,
what say you Brian?
Yeah, Kevin, just to piggyback on what Cheryl said, you know,
Jesus said, um, a new commandment I give you that
you love one another as I have loved you.
So that implies togetherness, you know, it's hard to love
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anybody if you're not with them and you know we
can love people theoretically. I mean, you know, sometimes people
say oh my gosh, I love the whole world. I
just kind of hate people um and so you know
we don't wanna fall into that trap so if I'm
not engaging with people then I'm not able to do
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what Jesus told me to do.
And as a Christian especially I actually need other people
and they need me. uh, I need the gifts they have.
I need the life experience they have, um, and, and, uh, they,
they need what I have too and you know sometimes
people think, well, I don't really have anything, what I,
(35:59):
what do I have to offer and you actually have
more to offer than you think and um it's just
your presence is is a gift to people at times so.
So 100% what Cheryl said, you going into the chapel
like that, just seeking the Lord, that is awesome, that
is amazing, but don't limit your Christian life to just that.
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Kevin, you mentioned there was an event or something that happened. Uh, do,
do you mind sharing what that is, or?
Too personal.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Um, no, I guess I could tell you I've, I
had a very successful business and um.
I had an unscrupulous partner that took everything
from me.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
And was this person part of a church community or something,
and now you're, you don't trust anyone, is that the
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, it's, um, this person did a pretty good job
of pulling the wool over my eyes for years. woke
up one day and he was gone and all my
money was gone and uh didn't make it, didn't do
any good.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm so sorry. And, and those are the things that,
you know, the devil wants to use that kind of
stuff to do the very thing that he's been doing
isolating you because you can't trust people because you know
you're gonna get burned again and this is where you
have to remember, you know, Jesus is never gonna abandon you.
Jesus is never gonna take your money and run, um,
you know, Jesus is gonna be with you. It's funny
(37:31):
that you tell the story because, um, I met a
guy a couple of years ago. I do a festival
in England.
And uh this wonderful lady and her daughter came and
I got to know them and you know, they were,
they were just really a great couple. I, I mean,
a great mother and daughter.
And they told me that her husband, the dad, um, yeah,
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he drops us off here, but he won't come in, um,
so they came to the festival and but they, you know,
of course they really wanted their, their dad, uh, to
be with them and yet he wouldn't and it was
because 15 years earlier he was in a business relationship
with somebody who ripped him off, same exact thing, and
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but except the person was a Christian.
And so he was like, I'm done with Christians that,
you know, that just shows me that Christianity is fake
because this guy, well, what then happened though is he
started seeing like in his wife and his daughter something
that was really um beautiful to him and when he
would come and drop them off at the festival, he
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did this for two years, he would come on the
grounds and he would just feel like all this love
and everything and he thought, man, what is going on here?
What am I missing? So.
One year he comes, he does the typical thing he
goes and drops them off and he goes off and
does his own thing and in the process the Lord
just meets him and says, why are you running from me?
You know I love you and so anyway he turned
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back to Jesus and his story is just beautiful about
what God's been doing in his life so you know,
let that be your story it's a better one. And
you know what? um, God is able to restore and
that's one of our beautiful promises that God will restore.
And I think about in the book of Joel where
it says God will restore what the locust has eaten
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and I am sorry that someone did this to you
because it's so wrong and I, I hate injustice and
I hate the fact that you know life is full
of injustice and I long for the day when Jesus
comes and there's no more injustice, no more, no more.
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Kevin, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's
Perspective at 888-564-6173. Brian and Cheryl Broderson are here until
4 o'clock. I noticed where, um, Kevin is, and there's,
there's a great church in this area. Is it, um,
Friend's Church?
Friend's churches in Yorba Linda, yeah, and it's a great church.
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So I would even consider Kevin going to a friend's church,
and I think that would be a great place. In fact, um,
I think it was, um, our daughter, our daughter-in-law's mom
used to be the choir director there if I'm not mistaken,
and that's where she met, you know, um, our daughter-in-law's dad,
our daughter-in-law's dad. That's right. So, um, great place.
(40:26):
All right, let's uh talk to Christina in Laguna Hills. Hi, Christina,
thanks for calling 888-564-6173. What are you thankful for?
Christina, are you there?
Did you press mute on your phone?
Christina.
Huh, OK, don't hang up.
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Hang on, let's try line 3 in Ontario. Hi, Doreen,
are you with us?
OK, so we've got some kind of phone issue. There's
a glitch, yeah, uh, there was a known glitch, but
I kind of ignored it because I could still hear
the phone calls. But apparently, so don't hang up, folks.
We're gonna try to get these resolved ASAP, hopefully, uh,
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before the program ends in 15 minutes. So here's a
question that was sent in online. This one is from Charles,
who writes about Matthew 25:14-28.
Charles says the master gave his servants the gift of
bags of gold. One servant did nothing with his gift,
and the master was very unhappy, calling him a wicked,
lazy servant. Now Israel has had almost 80 years to
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rebuild the temple, and nothing has happened. Are the leaders
of Israel the wicked, lazy servant?
No.
No, I like how we said it at the same time,
but again they haven't had 80 years, one and two,
their mount has a uh.
A Muslim temple on it and they want to do
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it in the same amount and 3, they've had so
much opposition and 4, they haven't had um the full
custody of uh Jerusalem for years. I think Israel's got
other problems, but I don't think that's one of them. And,
and 5, God has not called them to rebuild the
temple and there's there's no prophet directing them to rebuild
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the temple when the temple was built before.
It was built under the direction of Zerubbabel, who God
sent back to Israel after the destruction of the temple
by Nebuchadnezzar to rebuild it. Um, but since Titus destroyed
the temple in 70 AD, there's been no command from
God to the people to rebuild the temple because, of course,
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Jesus is the temple, temple, and um they will build
a temple, but it's
If you read Isaiah 65, God does not accept the
temple and the sacrifices that they will build, and that's
fascinating because actually, guess what, Jesus is going to be
the one to rebuild the temple according to Zechariah, the
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temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, yeah.
And so of course until they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah,
there cannot be was that a Facebook question? OK. Yes,
that was from Charles. OK. Are we, are the phones?
I don't know. Let's find out.
Christina in Laguna Hills, are you there?
(43:24):
Yes,
I'm thankful the phones are working again. Yes, yes, yes, Christina,
what are you thankful for other than the fact that
you get to ask your question?
Brian, first I want to say I'm sorry I had
to ask. Can you hear me now, because I know
you hate me, but this time it was, I mean, legitimate,
it's legit, yes, it's legitimized. Yes, OK, I get a pass. Um,
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I am thankful that I get to spend so much
time with my two little boys because, um, we homeschool,
so we spend a lot of time with them, and
I just really, really, uh, are.
Whoop, did we just lose her again? No, OK, something's
going on. All right, we're still working on it. We
got the whole crew trying to fix this, but we'll
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just read the question off the screen. Uh, Christina says
we are called to have grace towards others. Wait, is
she back?
Oh, there you are, yay. Something happened when you were
telling us the story of your, uh, homeschool kids.
OK, this is
All right, so let me read the question off the screen,
which is why we have a call screener, by the way,
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so that, I mean, it's not the only reason, but
Christina's question, we are called to have grace towards others,
but how do we do that without allowing others to
do things that are not right?
Again, I think that we've done, we've narrowed the definition
of grace.
Because you know God's grace, remember in Titus that it's
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the grace of God. I better go to that scripture
that teaches us to live righteously and godly in Christ Jesus.
So it's not allowing people to do what's wrong that's
not grace. Grace is a willingness to forgive them.
And to receive them when they're, you know, they're sorry
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or they're, they're being kind. Also, grace is not giving
them what they deserve, so grace doesn't seek retribution and
it's not punitive. It doesn't try to punish others. So that's, uh,
two things about grace, but again, um.
I'm trying to find, uh, let's see chapter 2. Yeah,
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I know I'm in, I think it's verse 7 maybe.
Is it 27? Nope, nope, uh oh, yes, that's it. It's, uh,
it says 11 and 1211 and 12. I knew that
for the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared
to all men teaching us.
Denying ungodliness and worldly lust. So what does it do?
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It teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust and
teaches us that we should live soberly, righteously, and godly
in the present age and going to 13, looking for
the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God
and Savior Jesus Christ. So grace is also a teacher. So, um,
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to have grace is not to allow yourself to be
beaten up.
You know, um, it is, you know, even God withdraws
from those with pride. It says, you know, God resists
the proud, but he gives grace to the humble. But
like you said earlier in the previous question, it's not
just teaching us, but it empowers us. That's the thing
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about grace, you see, because the contrast in the New
Testament is grace and law. So law is your best
effort to do the right thing.
That's where you fail over and over again. Grace is
God's empowering to do the right thing and that's where
you succeed. So we don't have to worry.
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That
That, you know, people, people would say this about Paul. Oh,
Paul is saying, um, you know, let's talk about grace, um, and,
and yet we can go on sinning. That is not
what Paul said. He said that he said that's a slanderous, um,
A report that they're making of us. Let us send
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more that grace may abound because they didn't understand that
grace is actually the thing that gives you the ability
to have victory over sin. You know what she's asking
is how do I give grace to somebody who's hurting me.
I know. And and I'm saying she does, she doesn't
say hurting me. She says somebody who's doing.
Things, uh, how do I give them grace and then
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they end up not doing the right thing. We give
them grace and grace is the power that does that, right?
I got it. Grace is gonna be that shaking of
the head and dismissing me a moment ago thinking, oh,
he's on a roll and he's missing the questions, but
this is, this is, this is.
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No stopping him now, but I think that the thing is,
is though, is we're.
We can't, we're not the, we can't police people and
we're not called to police people and sometimes you have
to let people learn the hard way and that is
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really hard for parents. And you also have to entrust
them to God, knowing that God is actually able to
give them the ability to do the right thing. And
are they gonna do the wrong thing sometimes? Yes, of course,
we all do.
But the grace of God keeps working in us too.
What if it's somebody who keeps doing the bad thing?
Then we pray for more grace for them. You could
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spank them if they're your kid. And we also pray,
you know, but, uh, but I think this is the
same question Sam asked earlier. But what, what is our
attitude of grace? How do we show them grace? Wouldn't
that be to commit them to God then, to commit
them to God and to forgive them, to be willing
to forgive them, right, over and over again. If my
brother sins against me 7 times.
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Do I have to forgive him 7 times 70 and
you know I can't believe people calculate that to be 490, 490.
I think this is 491. 0 wait, you're not supposed
to do that. I'm joking. I'm joking. You know, you know,
the NIV doesn't say, uh, 70 times 7. Yeah, it
it doesn't make it 490. It says.
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What does it say? Like, just like a lot 7 times,
several times, yeah, no, it does say 7, but it's not,
it doesn't say the same thing. I'm gonna look it
up right now. So Christina, I don't know if we
lost you if you're still there.
I'm still here. Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. Did you,
were you able to hear the response from Brian and Cheryl?
Yes, for the most part, yes. OK, well, thankfully we
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archive everything on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, so
maybe go back after, uh, after 4 o'clock today and
go look for the November 21st episode and you'll get it, uh,
in its entirety so that you can hear the answer
and
Because you yourself didn't get to answer the question, um,
I hope it, I hope we answered it because I
just read it off the screen. Ask the question. What
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did I say? Answer. Oh, OK, right. I mean, how
many people call and answer their own questions? I mean,
there are, we had this one guy recently, yes, no,
I've had that happen. Yes. Yes. All right, Doreen in
Ontario who's watching us on Instagram right now. Hey there, Doreen.
Let's wave to her and, uh, what is your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Hello, hello for taking my call, um.
Let me see, my question is, I was gonna ask
a question, but I think you guys are short on time,
so I think this would be more important.
Um, I've been sharing the gospel wherever I go, and
I'm running into where people have no Bibles. So I'm
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wondering where I can get free Bibles to give these
Bibles to.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know if you
can get free Bibles, but I think if you contacted
the Gideon's, um, you know, Gideon's is a Bible distributing,
they give free Bibles out like in all the hotels
and everything like that.
And I would think that they would be the most
likely place to start, you know, I know somebody who
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goes to the charity shops in England. A charity shop
would be like Goodwill and Salvation Army because a lot
of people, um, get rid of Bibles and they buy
Bibles there to give out, and I know that they
tend to be less expensive, so that's another way to
do it too, but I think Gideon would be a good.
Yeah, good place to research and see. Yeah, I'm pretty
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sure they do something, you know. Yes, I just found
something on Gideons.org. If you click over, get involved, resources
need Bibles. Look at that. And if you click that.
Yeah, check that out. Plus, of course, we're having a sale,
a fantastic sale tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday at, uh, Calvary Chapel,
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Costa Mesa, the chapel store. Is that right? Yes, is it?
Is that right? That's what they told me. It better be.
It's on the corner. Is that on the corner right here,
like the corner we're looking at, the wet corner that
we're looking at the parking lot sale. I hope it
dries up. Oh my goodness, look over the mountains. Look
how beautiful that is lovely. Yes, yeah, the parking lot
sale Saturday and Sunday at, at the corner of Fairview
and MacArthur, so.
(52:24):
Check that out. You know what we saw on the
way to Kwave? A rainbow. Ah, and you know what,
it looked like it was coming right here. Yeah, it
was right over Kwave. It was right over the Kwave building.
What does that tell you?
Does this answer your question, Doreen?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Thank you. You know what, um, do you have a
little time? Yeah, go ahead. You can answer it. OK.
You know what, I have the hardest time understanding and
reading and maybe even explaining Revelation 21:1 and 2.
OK.
I have a little bit of history background, meaning I
used to be a Jehovah's Witness. So trying to understand
that and trying to get detox that paradise that they
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taught us to get that out, it's just hard for
me to comprehend, you know,
Speaker 1 (53:12):
OK, Doreen, I am so excited that you are a
Christian and that you used to that you were delivered
from the Jehovah Witnesses because every time I go by.
When people are sharing and I think those people, they
don't know what they're doing, and I'm always praying for
them to be delivered and that no one would listen
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to them. Oh, I think that's excellent, Doreen. I am
so proud of you. No, I'd rather hear what you're
saying right now. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
I actually go to the carts and I talk to
them and actually I had their, it's they consider themselves
an elder. I was at a laundromat one day and
they happened to come to me. I've been out for what,
13 years now, and he came to me.
And you know they they present and say, what do
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you think about you know this paradise? what do you think? And,
and I already know, and I go, I know where
you're going with this. And I said, I used to
be one, and he, he was very interested in what
I had to say. He sat down and I basically
gave him an earful and he was like, like he
even leaned over and
He said, I'm of the anointed. I usually don't share this,
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meaning he's a part of the 144,000. And I sat
there and I read, I kind of read the Revelations
part where it talks about the 12 tribes and having
the Jewish descent, you've got to be a virgin and
a male. And I said, so like, and he wouldn't
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answer me if you fall into that category.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Mhm. So is it, did you say 21 Revelation 21:1
and 2? I believe she did.
The the new heaven and the new earth for the
first heaven and earth had passed away. No more sea.
I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down
from heaven. Um,
Speaker 2 (55:03):
and I've I've watched videos where pastors explain it and
still I just like for me to explain it to
a witness, a witness.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
What's the stumbling block there for them? What, what, why
would this need to be explained? And we're running out
of time, so give us 10 seconds, Doreen. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (55:19):
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Doreen, can you give us 10 seconds?
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, of course. No,
Speaker 1 (55:24):
no, meaning, uh, give us your question in 10 seconds. 00,
your response. I think you're gonna have to I
Speaker 2 (55:30):
was
just wondering how to explain that to
somebody.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
OK, hey, call us back next week and let's talk
about it.
Sorry, we really want to get into this. Yes, it is.
It is. I just wonder how, like, why do you
have to explain that to him? Like what, what is the, well,
she said it's because of the paradise. Who knows? We'll
find out. We'll find out. Oh, cliffhanger, call back on Monday, please. Yes, uh,
Brian and Cheryl will be here on Wednesday. So if
you want to talk to them for sure, call then
(55:54):
and everyone else, sorry about the phone problems. We will
be back on Monday here on Pastor's Perspective. See you
at church on Sunday.
Was that you?
You're adding some uh color or something to the song.
It's the Brian Broderson remix. No, you know, I was
doing some percussion. Nobody. Yes, nice. This is Pastor's perspective. Hi,
Brian Perez here with Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com.
How you guys doing?
(00:38):
Uh, great. Brian's over there keeping the beat, yeah, yeah,
we're doing good. We had a nice little walk around
our big block today with our dog, with our dog
who's 9 but acting like he's 22, yeah.
Yeah, like 6 o'clock in the morning he's like, OK, it's, it's,
we gotta go on a walk, and you know, so
(00:59):
you don't walk the dog. The dog walks you, the dog, yeah, absolutely. Yes.
You know what's so weird? It's my dog. I wanted
this dog so much. This dog was a gift to
you from your children. Children. I wanted this dog. I
asked Brian if I could have a dog. He was like,
I never want a dog again. Never want a dog again.
And we got this dog.
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And this dog, who I have loved from the moment
he was in my arms, this dog prefers my husband.
When Brian's not here, I take that dog on a
walk like at least 6 days a week, and he
loves Brian more. He cuddles with Brian every morning. He, like,
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you know, just if Brian doesn't pet him, his paw
goes up. If Brian walks away from us while we're
on a walk and I have to hold the leash,
he's inconsolable. He doesn't want to move from that spot
till he sees Brian again.
When we would drive in the car, if Brian got
out of the car to go into Pete's to get, uh,
us coffee, Barnabas will only stare out the window waiting
(02:04):
for him. And if you say something to him, he's like,
not right now. I need my master. And just keeping
his eyes peeled on that door, and then he's just
so relieved when Brian comes back. It's like, it's all right.
It's a guy thing. Brian's here, just a couple of dudes, yeah,
but it, it's just crazy. I, I don't understand this.
He just loves you so much and I'm like, wait.
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I'm, I'm the one who wanted you takes him to
the vet. You're the one who does everything for him.
I buy his food sometimes. Oh, yeah, sometimes, but I
feed him a lot. I think you forget to feed
him a lot. No, I don't forget to feed him.
I just feed him when I'm eating, but he just
bugs Brian, and you know, it's so funny because Brian
complains about everything. Oh, he wants out. Oh, he wants in.
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Oh, he wants food. Oh, he wants a bone. I'm like,
it's a dog and Brian's like, I mean Brian's given
Barnabas more human traits than I have given him, and
Brian expects him to act human. Like he'll be like,
why is he doing this? And I'm like, he's a dog.
Brian's like, oh yeah, you know, so that might be
part of it and being his favorite, he pesters me,
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not her. It's like she's, she's, you know, reading her Bible,
just doing her thing. He's just laying on the floor.
I walk in the room. It's like, OK, I can
get a bone now. Where's my bone? Give me my
bone right now. Why didn't you get a bone from her?
I mean, I'm, why do I have to get the bone?
These are, these are the things that I buy the bones. Yes,
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but you have to give it. They're, they're the bone.
They're the cleaning teeth bones, and he loves them. He
just looks forward to them. Look at us. We are
just so old. I mean, this is what we're talking about,
you know. Well, we're not talking about our infirmities. We're
not talking.
About all the things that are wrong with us physically, yeah,
we have kids and grandkids, but let's talk about the
dog because the dog is actually the only person who
lives with us now. That's right. So you know, there
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you go. You did it again. We had a lady
call into the radio station earlier and, uh, I asked
her what she's thankful for, which, by the way, if
you guys call in today to 888-564-6173.
Might ask you what you're thankful for, but, uh, yeah,
she's got 7 kids, 40 grandkids, and 15 great grandkids.
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Oh yes, that amazing or what? That's incredible. And she, and,
and then she says, and every night I pray for
them each by name. I'm like, you remember.
All of their names. I mean, that's 62. That is
Brian's dad tattooed all his kids' birthdays on his fingers
just so you'd remember. Not his fingers, his arm. Oh,
his arm. I thought it was on his back of
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his feet or so. It's on his arm. Like, wait,
whose birthday is it? It's December.
He did it. He tattooed him himself too. That's true. Like,
that tells you a little bit about Brian's dad. Needless
to say, Brian was not raised in a Christian home.
Christians can tattoo their kids. That's true. But I mean,
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at the time, at the time, Christians can tattoo their.
Kids, is that what you said? Their kids' birthdays. Oh,
I didn't hear that part. I was like, Whoa, wait
a minute. Hang on. Yeah, I mean, just, but I'm
saying he has quite a few kids, so he had
to attend to them in their birthdays. He's probably. I
think he's hell, Mike, we love you. I don't think he, yeah,
I don't think. All right, give us a call 888-564-6173.
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Let's go right to the phones. Here is Carolina in
La Puente listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Welcome, Carolina.
Hi, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, what did
you want to ask us today? Ditto, ditto on the dog.
I love, I'm a, I'm a dog mom myself, so
I love dog stories.
A dog mom. I like that. So my question, my
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question is, um, OK, so, um, when Christ took the
cross on Calvary and when they say he died and
he conquered the grave, when he rose from the grave,
for those 3 days, where did he go for those
3 days?
Yeah, so the question on the screen is when Christ died,
did he really go to hell?
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And go to hell? Yeah, well, hell, you know, the
problem with hell is that it is, um, one word sometimes,
especially in like the older translation, the King James and
even the new King James, um, hell, uh, is the
English translation of a couple of different words. And so, um,
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the word here.
Uh, is that, uh, of, um, Hades, which would be
more like the grave. So when we think of hell,
I think most people like, you know, you're asking was
Jesus like in the fire of hell. I mean, wow,
you know, what would that be like? And some people
have actually suggested that, but it's not true. No, no,
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Jesus went into the grave, he went into the, the
realm of the dead.
And he was there in the realm of the dead
and then when he rose, uh, he brought with him
those who were in that realm who had died in faith.
So does that answer your question, Carolina, or wait, I
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think Cheryl wanted to answer. Well, I, I'm thinking about, um, Jesus'
parable of Lazarus because when he tells the parable, um,
in Luke 16, I'm, I was looking at, but, um,
when he tells the parable, he, he, yes, Luke 16
verses 19 through
Um, 21 or 31, sorry, he, in that, he, he
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says that hell is divided into these two places, you know, one,
is also called Abraham's bosom, where those who had died
before Christ because they didn't have enough righteousness to, you know,
go to heaven, and Jesus came having paid that price,
but the, the people who loved God, who had faith,
they went into Abraham's bosom where they were comforted.
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And there was a huge chasm and those who had
um not walked with the Lord were on the other
side and you know they could see um others being
comforted but they could not cross over and it is
those who were in what we would call Abraham's bosom
who were resurrected with Christ and uh he led captivity
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captive as it says and gave gifts to men.
So Carolina, other than your dog, what are you thankful for?
My dogs.
More than one.
What kind of dog? Yes, 33 pit bulls. Uh, Cloudy,
he's an all white albino. He's deaf, God-given gift, uh,
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pet bull, and then his brother Sonny, uh, just, you know,
like the sun, and then Sky, his sister. So I
have 33 of them, and yeah, they're, they're a God,
they're a God gift. So Carolina is doing a weather forecast, sunny, cloudy,
and sky. Whenever I look up there they are in
the sky. Oh yeah, our dog tried to pick on.
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On a female pit bull today. Actually she was the
more aggressive one as we were walking by, but our dog,
he's a poodle, he's half poodle and half golden retriever,
and he will not step back from a fight. He's like,
you want to pick on someone? Well, I'm here and
you're like, No, Barnabas, no, we have to do, you know,
sit down, lay, you know, just everything to calm him down.
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He's like, hey, I was doing that for you. I mean,
he even got in a fight with a Labrador over
a stick at the beach one time.
It's just absolutely ridiculous, you know, so he, I don't know,
I don't think he knows he's a dog.
No, well, because Brian gives him so many human treats that. No,
not human treats, but definitely dog treats. Yeah, no traits
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because I wasn't about to have any grandkids and be
responsible for any puppies because I would have called every
person I got a dog and been like, Did you
take care of them? Did you feed them? Did you
put a sweater on them? Did you do this? They
would have been like, Here's your dog back. Here's your
grandchild back. Exactly.
So they're all fixed because I'm not gonna be responsible
for I think that's why, yeah, our daughter, her cat
just had 7 kittens and it's time to find other
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houses for them.
And I'm like, you need to find other houses. She
lives in Connecticut and she's like, but they're so cute.
I'm like, you are turning into a cat lady. She,
she just, she has 2 dogs already and now these
7 kittens plus her own cats, which she has 3.
We're like, you have 10 cats. You have got to
give them away and there are people who want them too.
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So it's like.
10 cats. That's like 9 too many, I think. Oh yeah,
that's too many. What, 1 is good enough. 01 is
more than enough, definitely.
Well, thank you all so much. I really appreciate you
guys taking my time and uh the love that uh
you guys have for animals. Yeah, thank you so much, Caroline. 888-564-6173.
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That's the number for you to call in with your
questions today. And now we're gonna talk to Carla in Fontana,
who's also listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hey, Carla,
what are you thankful for?
Hello
My pets too, but where do I even begin for
everything that God has done for us, you know.
Amen. Be here forever, yeah, but my question is,
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I've read in the Bible like where it talks about
Paul's sins when he was like persecuting Christians, but he
was forgiven due to his ignorance.
OK, most people, myself included, when we sin, we're not
doing it out of ignorance. We know what we're doing.
Is there a difference? And, I mean, I know there's
a difference about doing it in ignorance and doing it deliberately,
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but that doesn't change the fact that our sins are forgiven, correct?
Doesn't change the fact if you're repentant, if you're really sorry,
if you confess. I mean, when you look at 1
John 1:9, it doesn't say if you confess your unintentional sins,
God is faithful and just to forgive you.
It says if you confess your sins and honestly what
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what John is talking about in First John the uh
you know apostle John is mainly intentional sins because he
talked about people who continue to practice sin so obviously
they know what they're doing so, so, um, God forgives
that's just what he does anyone who comes to him.
You know, it says in Ezekiel, if the, if the
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wicked will forsake their way, you know, God promises, uh,
forgiveness even then in the Old Testament, you know, if
they'll come, they'll repent and change their ways, yeah, and
I thank God for that. So anyway, you guys have
a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thanks, Karla and Carla, be free and
no condemnation, OK.
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Yes, alrighty, thank you. I love you guys. Thank you
so much. You know, I was thinking, you know, in
the passage in Exodus where the Lord is, you know,
basically just expressing who He is, um, he's merciful. He's gracious.
He's full of compassion, forgiving transgression. Yeah, and that's a
good one. Transgression is willful sin, willful sin, mhm, yeah.
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Remember how, um.
Leo G Venetti used to have that song willful. We
all had to say disobedient, willful. He was, he was,
he was a pastor for a time in San Diego,
but before that he.
He was one of the most entertaining worship leaders I've
ever heard. Talent. He was a really a worship leader.
He was more just a, well, he could do both,
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but he could do, yeah, yeah, that's true. He was
so incredibly gifted. Yeah, he is and gifted, good singer, but, um,
when he would do that, he, it was, it was hilarious,
but it is the idea like of willful disobedience. You,
you repent and.
God is so, so gracious, willing to forgive even those purposeful. Well,
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you know, you think of the prodigal son, you know,
the parable that Jesus told, and I mean, obviously that
prodigal knew what he was doing, you know, he said,
you know, Father, give me my inheritance. You know, I
don't want to live here. I don't want you. I,
you know, wanna go live life like I want to.
And he went out knowing that his father was loving,
knowing that his father was good.
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And yet his father was willing to forgive him everything.
Very nice. 888-564-6173 is the number to call, and here
now is Sam, who's listening to us on the KWave app.
First of all, Sam, thank you for downloading the app
and thank you for calling 888-564-6173. What are you thankful
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for this season, Sam?
Uh, probably Chick fil A.
Do you work there? No, I just like it. It's
like that's our grandson, one of our grandson's favorite, favorite places.
We're always like suggesting hamburgers and he's like, Can't we
go to Chick fil A? So what do you do
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on Sundays when you can't go to Chick fil A?
Uh,
Nothing. Yeah, but you gotta get it on Saturday and
just right overnight.
Yeah, so what's your question for us, man?
Um, excuse me, um, it kind of goes along with
the other caller, um.
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It, it seems to me, I could be wrong. Maybe
it's just too good to be true, but it's like,
is grace really free because
See, it feels like to me that if you keep
on sinning and doing the same sin over and over
and over again, and answer forgiveness.
It doesn't seem to me like you're, you're safe and
going to heaven. I think it has to do with sincerity.
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Because if you're, if you're sincere and you're really like, God,
I don't want to live like this, you know, Brighton
had a great grandmother and she was an alcoholic and
she hated her alcoholic behavior. She hated how she was living,
she hated all of that, but she could not save
herself and I remember her telling me, um, her testimony
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they called her granny.
And one day she said she was just at the
end of a rope and she said God save me
and she said from that moment on she'd never had
a drink again. It was just, you know, it was
that moment she was through and God received her and
forgave her and.
That was the story she would tell over and over
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again that for how many years was she an alcoholic, Brian?
Quite a few, like 40, 50 years, 30, 30, yeah,
but you know, I think that again, you know, Paul
says grace is not a license to sin. I think
the key factor in this is God knows when we're sincere,
when we really want help, when we really want to stop,
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when we want to be free.
That, that would be my answer, Brian. What would you
add to that? Um, I just was going to read
a verse to you, Sam, from Romans chapter 4.
Uh, let me read a couple of verses. It says, um,
it says if Abraham was justified by works, he has
something to boast about, but not before God. Uh, for
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what does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it
was credited to him for righteousness. Now, to the one
who works, pay is not credited as a gift, but
as something that is owed.
But to the one here it is, the one who
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does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly.
That person's faith is credited for righteousness. So I, I
love this passage because, you know, Paul just says, I
mean this is the clearest like for him who does
not work but believes that's free grace right there.
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What do you think, Sam?
Sounds too good to be true. Yes, you know, it does.
I mean that that's why it's called the good news
because it's like, wait a minute, are you kidding me?
But you know, I think to like free grace and
I think that we, we limit it to simply, oh
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God has forgiven my sins and he's blessing me when
I don't deserve it and it also says um.
That uh Paul also talks about grace that teaches us
to live um righteously and godly in in Titus that
the grace of God teaches us to live righteously and
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godly so grace is not just um God forgiving us
when we don't deserve it. Grace is also a teacher.
That is moving in us to live righteously and live
godly teaching us how and how to say no grace
is the power of God working in us to resist sin.
When you truly, truly receive the grace of God, you
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don't want to sin anymore. It, it changes, uh, every
fiber of your being, but I think the problem is
with some of these Greek words like grace, um.
And which is uh charis in Greek that we limit it,
we make it um smaller and we take away the
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definition and we just give it one definition, one understanding.
When grace is just this incredible multifaceted gift, it's God's
favor it's God's work in us that's why Paul would
say that you know that we don't need to be under,
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you know, in Galatians he would talk about how you
don't need to be under the law or looking at the.
Rule book constantly because the grace of God when it's
in us and working in us we will naturally yield
to the spirit and walk in the spirit and as
Paul said those who walk in the spirit do not
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fulfill the desires of the flesh and when he talks
about the desires of the flesh, that's like the cravings
towards sin.
So I think that part of it is that grace
and you said, you know, is grace really free grace
is I think grace is costly. I mean it costs
Jesus everything on the cross and to receive grace we
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have to be willing to give our sin up in
exchange so I think there's a great exchange that it
costs us what is hurting us and ruining us, um.
And then comes in and works in us and gives
us all that we don't deserve. Does that make sense, Sam?
Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm a Christian and I keep
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doing the same thing over and over and over again,
and I'm like, I don't think I'm saved because if
I was saved, I wouldn't, I would like stop. Yeah,
but also, um, you know, I think the fact that,
that you recognize that this is wrong and you don't
want to do it and you
You know, you are grieved over it. That indicates that
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you are saved because if you weren't saved, you probably
wouldn't care. You, you wouldn't be thinking about it and
you certainly wouldn't be calling us to ask us about it. So, look, we,
we all struggle and we're all growing.
This is why the Bible tells us grow in the
grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus. And Paul,
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you know, here, here's a good little exercise for you. Read, read,
you know, tonight maybe, uh, or tomorrow. Read Romans 7.
And then follow all the way in and read Romans 8,
because in Romans 7 Paul is really, he describes the
very thing you're talking about. The good that I want
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to do I don't do. The evil I don't want
to do, I do. What the heck is the matter
with me? And then he says, it's, he says it's
no longer I who do it, but it's sin that
lives inside of me. And he says, O wretched man,
who will deliver me from this body of death? And
then here's the answer I thank God through Jesus Christ
our Lord.
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So Jesus delivers us from that and we need to
learn to walk in obedience to Him, walking in the spirit,
and that's a lifetime. You're, you know, this is, this
is a lifetime journey.
And and you're growing and you know Sam, there are
some people that immediately when they call out they're delivered
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and they don't do it anymore and for others it's
a process of laying it down like I said Brian's
grandmother called out how many times and uh continued to
drink and hated herself for it and then one day
she got to the end and said.
You know, God, I can't live like this. I don't
want to do this anymore and something was broken. So
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keep calling on the Lord, keep asking him for that
grace that can come in and deliver you from this addiction.
You know, because addictions can be broken by the spirit
of God and you just have to keep crying out
and then too, um, Romans also talks about not making
any provision for the flesh so if there is something.
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In your life, the trigger, you know, that trigger, and
I know that when you go to Alcoholics Anonymous, they'll
talk about what are the triggers, you know, what are
the things that you're leaving in your house, you know,
you say, oh I don't want to do that, but
you leave it. It's like going on a diet and
filling your freezer with ice cream and saying I really
want to lose weight, you know.
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You know, and yeah, but the problem is at a
low moment and you don't have any other food you're
gonna go for the ice cream. The the way to
diet is to get rid of every type of fattening
food out of your refrigerator out of your cupboards, and
put in healthy food. So it's not just getting rid
of the food, it's putting in good food, the good things,
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you know, it's like.
It's like changing habits it's like um listening to Bible studies,
getting together with friends and fellowshipping, um, dedicating yourself to prayer,
walking when you, uh, at those times that you're really
tempted it's about changing behavioral patterns and this is what
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the Holy Spirit will do.
Because the grace of God will come in and teach
us how to live righteously, it will teach us how
to change those patterns. It will teach us what those
triggers are and how to get rid of those triggers.
If it's pornography, it will help you to find um some.
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Things on the Internet to stop, uh, to, you know,
what do you call them guards, so you can't go
to those sites. So there are ways and again you
have to make no provision for that that sin you
have to cut off that's why Jesus said mortify.
That the deeds of, you know, sin mortify, get rid
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of anything that that causes you the triggers that move
you in that way and really, you know, fill your house,
your heart with the health food so that you can
um really, really um live righteously and the Holy Spirit
will show you, OK.
Get rid of that.
You know, keep this, get rid of that, you know.
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When it comes to the ice cream, and I'm not
pointing you out, Pastor Brian, but you might.
Have something to say about this. No, um, do you
think
To use that example of ice cream, that, you know,
they go on a diet, but they still keep ice
cream in their freezer. Do you think it's like a
way because they're saying, no, I know I can do this,
so I'm going to keep the temptation there, just so,
you know, like I'm not gonna put guards on my
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phone because that'll be like saying, I have no self-control. I,
so they're gonna not put a guard on their phone,
they're gonna keep ice cream in the in the freezer.
Because they want, they want to prove that they can
do this. Yeah, but you know, anytime I'm trying to
prove anything, you know, it's interesting because Jesus said, let
your yes be yes and your no be no, because
anything more than that is from the devil. And I
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think whenever we're trying to prove I'm strong, we're really weak.
Because it's Christ in us making us strong. And I
think that his spirit is telling us to
So to the spirit and to sow to the spirit,
you have to have spiritual habits. You have to have spiritual, uh, disciplines.
You have to read your Bible. You have to be
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in fellowship, you know, you, you can't grow without fellowship, without,
you know, like, just like a, a seed needs a
good soil and water and sunlight.
Uh, and oxygen to grow. So Christians need spiritual food
to grow, and you don't, you, you know, you have
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to get rid of, I mean, even take the pebble
of the sower, you know, you have to get rid
of the weeds, you know, you have to really begin
to put in and invest into your spiritual life.
Sam, thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective.
We're coming up to our break, so let's read one
that was sent in online on Facebook. Hello, pastors, Tim
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from Upland here. I was wondering, back in the days
of Noah, when God tells him to build the ark
and preach the gospel, what did the gospel consist of
at that time, as compared to the entirety of the
gospel we have now?
Well, I don't, I don't think, I don't remember ever
hearing the word gospel in the Noah story. No, it's
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not in the Noah story. He preached righteousness. He was
a preacher of righteousness of righteousness. Yeah. So I think
it's different because I think what he was trying to
say is righteousness is to seek the Lord. Righteousness is
to walk with God, to resist the Nephilim. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, remember Noah is living in a time when the,
when wickedness is, is at such a
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Uh, an intense level that God destroys the entire population
of the world. So this is like, you know, incredibly
wicked time. So for Noah to preach righteousness, he's preaching,
you know, you, you need to turn to God. You
need to do what God says, um, you need to
do the right thing. So it wasn't.
A gospel message like, uh, hey, you need to turn
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to Jesus. It was, you know, they had a, they
had a knowledge of the fact that God was the
Creator and they needed to turn back to the Creator
and live according to his standards. Yeah, I would think
it would be kind of like Nineveh and Jonah.
You know, Jonah's message to Nineveh was repent, you know,
or you'll be judged. 40 days instruction and repent means
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turn around. You're walking away from God, walk towards God,
and I think that would be probably a lot like
Noah's message. But isn't that like a workspace righteousness or
workspace help? No, I think it's saying.
Acknowledge God and give up the sin. You know, when
you read about the days of Noah, I mean, it's,
it's pretty bad. I mean, the intermarriage, the demonic activity,
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and I think what he's saying is turn away from
these demons and turn to God. Yeah, and it's pre-gospel,
you know, so gospel is where the grace of God.
has appeared to all people through the gospel. So before
the gospel comes, people are responsible for what they know
about God. So we assume the generation of Noah knew
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about God, but turned away from him. So Noah's message
would be turned back to God.
Thanks for submitting your question on the pastor's perspective Facebook Messenger,
and we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with
more of your questions when we come back at 888-564-6173.
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I probably say it in my sleep, and I probably, I've,
I've almost given out this number instead of my own
phone number and vice versa. I've almost given out my
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cell phone number here. That's funny. Well, we know Ed Stetzer, uh.
He repeats it in his sleep because you know he's
Ed doesn't even know his own phone number for his
own show on Saturday mornings at 9 here on Kwave.
All right, 888-564-6173. When Ed's on, he always wants to
give the number. That's his, I let him. It's the
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one day a week. I don't have to. His, um,
his primary reason for coming on the program is to
tell us what the phone number is. Tell the listeners
what the phone. Does he really say that? He always
does it. Yeah, he loves doing it, but he always
has to look at it on the wall. Oh, he does.
So it's not even like it's not from his heart.
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He's reading a script. He's reading a script that's always
so disillusioning to me. I have hid thy phone number
in my heart that I might be able to call to.
Kevin and you're Belinda listening on FM 107.9 K wave.
What are you thankful for, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh, I'm thankful for everything.
Um,
I wanted to call and get your opinion on what
I call personal worship versus attending uh church services. Um,
I was born, I was raised as a Catholic.
But many years ago, I just, I
(32:01):
I decided to be non-denominational and
Just attend non non-denominational uh uh church services, but due
to some unfortunate events, I felt the need to communicate
with God.
More directly if that's and and more than just sitting
in my house talking to him, but.
(32:22):
I found a church that was open all the time.
And I could go anytime I wanted to sit in
the church and talk to God then, and I was
just wondering, is that.
Uh, OK, as far as.
worshiping God and Jesus and
Reducing the number of times I go to church.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I think that, sir, you know, speaking to the Lord
in the chapel is fantastic, and I think that praying
and worshiping the Lord.
You know with your whole heart any time you can
is awesome, but I would say to you that you need, uh,
you need Christian friends and, and you need to be
(33:05):
under the word of God being taught and I think
those are two incredible components of church to actually meet
the body because it gives you a chance to learn
how to serve and to interact and to have friendships
and I know.
Friendships can sometimes be hurtful or they can be scary,
(33:26):
but we need them, we need them, and I, I'm
thinking about Hebrews chapter 10 where it says, um, verse 24,
and let us consider one another in order to stir
up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of
ourselves together as the manner of some, but exhorting one
another and so much the more as you see the
(33:47):
day approaching, so.
What that scripture in Hebrews is saying is that we
need to be in community with other believers. It's really important.
And when you're in community with other believers,
And you're all listening to the word.
Being taught the word of God, being taught you're all
(34:10):
growing together and you get this uh sharedness just like
when you grow up in a family you have shared experiences,
you know, um.
You, you know what your dad said and you'll all
be able to quote your dad or, you know, your
mom or you'll have these memories that are shared that
that draw you together and um.
(34:33):
Make you really mindful and appreciative of you know your
parents for the most part if you've got a good
family like I did but um I think that um
what you're doing is great but I think to add
to that to maybe go to at least try one
service a week would be, you know, really good to
go to the church service when people are there and
(34:56):
um there's someone speaking. I think it would be really good. What,
what say you Brian?
Yeah, Kevin, just to piggyback on what Cheryl said, you know,
Jesus said, um, a new commandment I give you that
you love one another as I have loved you.
So that implies togetherness, you know, it's hard to love
(35:18):
anybody if you're not with them and you know we
can love people theoretically. I mean, you know, sometimes people
say oh my gosh, I love the whole world. I
just kind of hate people um and so you know
we don't wanna fall into that trap so if I'm
not engaging with people then I'm not able to do
(35:39):
what Jesus told me to do.
And as a Christian especially I actually need other people
and they need me. uh, I need the gifts they have.
I need the life experience they have, um, and, and, uh, they,
they need what I have too and you know sometimes
people think, well, I don't really have anything, what I,
(35:59):
what do I have to offer and you actually have
more to offer than you think and um it's just
your presence is is a gift to people at times so.
So 100% what Cheryl said, you going into the chapel
like that, just seeking the Lord, that is awesome, that
is amazing, but don't limit your Christian life to just that.
(36:23):
Kevin, you mentioned there was an event or something that happened. Uh, do,
do you mind sharing what that is, or?
Too personal.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Um, no, I guess I could tell you I've, I
had a very successful business and um.
I had an unscrupulous partner that took everything
from me.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
And was this person part of a church community or something,
and now you're, you don't trust anyone, is that the
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, it's, um, this person did a pretty good job
of pulling the wool over my eyes for years. woke
up one day and he was gone and all my
money was gone and uh didn't make it, didn't do
any good.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm so sorry. And, and those are the things that,
you know, the devil wants to use that kind of
stuff to do the very thing that he's been doing
isolating you because you can't trust people because you know
you're gonna get burned again and this is where you
have to remember, you know, Jesus is never gonna abandon you.
Jesus is never gonna take your money and run, um,
you know, Jesus is gonna be with you. It's funny
(37:31):
that you tell the story because, um, I met a
guy a couple of years ago. I do a festival
in England.
And uh this wonderful lady and her daughter came and
I got to know them and you know, they were,
they were just really a great couple. I, I mean,
a great mother and daughter.
And they told me that her husband, the dad, um, yeah,
(37:52):
he drops us off here, but he won't come in, um,
so they came to the festival and but they, you know,
of course they really wanted their, their dad, uh, to
be with them and yet he wouldn't and it was
because 15 years earlier he was in a business relationship
with somebody who ripped him off, same exact thing, and
(38:15):
but except the person was a Christian.
And so he was like, I'm done with Christians that,
you know, that just shows me that Christianity is fake
because this guy, well, what then happened though is he
started seeing like in his wife and his daughter something
that was really um beautiful to him and when he
would come and drop them off at the festival, he
(38:35):
did this for two years, he would come on the
grounds and he would just feel like all this love
and everything and he thought, man, what is going on here?
What am I missing? So.
One year he comes, he does the typical thing he
goes and drops them off and he goes off and
does his own thing and in the process the Lord
just meets him and says, why are you running from me?
You know I love you and so anyway he turned
(38:56):
back to Jesus and his story is just beautiful about
what God's been doing in his life so you know,
let that be your story it's a better one. And
you know what? um, God is able to restore and
that's one of our beautiful promises that God will restore.
And I think about in the book of Joel where
it says God will restore what the locust has eaten
(39:19):
and I am sorry that someone did this to you
because it's so wrong and I, I hate injustice and
I hate the fact that you know life is full
of injustice and I long for the day when Jesus
comes and there's no more injustice, no more, no more.
(39:39):
Kevin, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's
Perspective at 888-564-6173. Brian and Cheryl Broderson are here until
4 o'clock. I noticed where, um, Kevin is, and there's,
there's a great church in this area. Is it, um,
Friend's Church?
Friend's churches in Yorba Linda, yeah, and it's a great church.
(40:02):
So I would even consider Kevin going to a friend's church,
and I think that would be a great place. In fact, um,
I think it was, um, our daughter, our daughter-in-law's mom
used to be the choir director there if I'm not mistaken,
and that's where she met, you know, um, our daughter-in-law's dad,
our daughter-in-law's dad. That's right. So, um, great place.
(40:26):
All right, let's uh talk to Christina in Laguna Hills. Hi, Christina,
thanks for calling 888-564-6173. What are you thankful for?
Christina, are you there?
Did you press mute on your phone?
Christina.
Huh, OK, don't hang up.
(40:47):
Hang on, let's try line 3 in Ontario. Hi, Doreen,
are you with us?
OK, so we've got some kind of phone issue. There's
a glitch, yeah, uh, there was a known glitch, but
I kind of ignored it because I could still hear
the phone calls. But apparently, so don't hang up, folks.
We're gonna try to get these resolved ASAP, hopefully, uh,
(41:10):
before the program ends in 15 minutes. So here's a
question that was sent in online. This one is from Charles,
who writes about Matthew 25:14-28.
Charles says the master gave his servants the gift of
bags of gold. One servant did nothing with his gift,
and the master was very unhappy, calling him a wicked,
lazy servant. Now Israel has had almost 80 years to
(41:34):
rebuild the temple, and nothing has happened. Are the leaders
of Israel the wicked, lazy servant?
No.
No, I like how we said it at the same time,
but again they haven't had 80 years, one and two,
their mount has a uh.
A Muslim temple on it and they want to do
(41:57):
it in the same amount and 3, they've had so
much opposition and 4, they haven't had um the full
custody of uh Jerusalem for years. I think Israel's got
other problems, but I don't think that's one of them. And,
and 5, God has not called them to rebuild the
temple and there's there's no prophet directing them to rebuild
(42:19):
the temple when the temple was built before.
It was built under the direction of Zerubbabel, who God
sent back to Israel after the destruction of the temple
by Nebuchadnezzar to rebuild it. Um, but since Titus destroyed
the temple in 70 AD, there's been no command from
God to the people to rebuild the temple because, of course,
(42:41):
Jesus is the temple, temple, and um they will build
a temple, but it's
If you read Isaiah 65, God does not accept the
temple and the sacrifices that they will build, and that's
fascinating because actually, guess what, Jesus is going to be
the one to rebuild the temple according to Zechariah, the
(43:03):
temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, yeah.
And so of course until they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah,
there cannot be was that a Facebook question? OK. Yes,
that was from Charles. OK. Are we, are the phones?
I don't know. Let's find out.
Christina in Laguna Hills, are you there?
(43:24):
Yes,
I'm thankful the phones are working again. Yes, yes, yes, Christina,
what are you thankful for other than the fact that
you get to ask your question?
Brian, first I want to say I'm sorry I had
to ask. Can you hear me now, because I know
you hate me, but this time it was, I mean, legitimate,
it's legit, yes, it's legitimized. Yes, OK, I get a pass. Um,
(43:47):
I am thankful that I get to spend so much
time with my two little boys because, um, we homeschool,
so we spend a lot of time with them, and
I just really, really, uh, are.
Whoop, did we just lose her again? No, OK, something's
going on. All right, we're still working on it. We
got the whole crew trying to fix this, but we'll
(44:08):
just read the question off the screen. Uh, Christina says
we are called to have grace towards others. Wait, is
she back?
Oh, there you are, yay. Something happened when you were
telling us the story of your, uh, homeschool kids.
OK, this is
All right, so let me read the question off the screen,
which is why we have a call screener, by the way,
(44:30):
so that, I mean, it's not the only reason, but
Christina's question, we are called to have grace towards others,
but how do we do that without allowing others to
do things that are not right?
Again, I think that we've done, we've narrowed the definition
of grace.
Because you know God's grace, remember in Titus that it's
(44:51):
the grace of God. I better go to that scripture
that teaches us to live righteously and godly in Christ Jesus.
So it's not allowing people to do what's wrong that's
not grace. Grace is a willingness to forgive them.
And to receive them when they're, you know, they're sorry
(45:15):
or they're, they're being kind. Also, grace is not giving
them what they deserve, so grace doesn't seek retribution and
it's not punitive. It doesn't try to punish others. So that's, uh,
two things about grace, but again, um.
I'm trying to find, uh, let's see chapter 2. Yeah,
(45:35):
I know I'm in, I think it's verse 7 maybe.
Is it 27? Nope, nope, uh oh, yes, that's it. It's, uh,
it says 11 and 1211 and 12. I knew that
for the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared
to all men teaching us.
Denying ungodliness and worldly lust. So what does it do?
(45:57):
It teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust and
teaches us that we should live soberly, righteously, and godly
in the present age and going to 13, looking for
the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God
and Savior Jesus Christ. So grace is also a teacher. So, um,
(46:18):
to have grace is not to allow yourself to be
beaten up.
You know, um, it is, you know, even God withdraws
from those with pride. It says, you know, God resists
the proud, but he gives grace to the humble. But
like you said earlier in the previous question, it's not
just teaching us, but it empowers us. That's the thing
(46:38):
about grace, you see, because the contrast in the New
Testament is grace and law. So law is your best
effort to do the right thing.
That's where you fail over and over again. Grace is
God's empowering to do the right thing and that's where
you succeed. So we don't have to worry.
(47:00):
That
That, you know, people, people would say this about Paul. Oh,
Paul is saying, um, you know, let's talk about grace, um, and,
and yet we can go on sinning. That is not
what Paul said. He said that he said that's a slanderous, um,
A report that they're making of us. Let us send
(47:21):
more that grace may abound because they didn't understand that
grace is actually the thing that gives you the ability
to have victory over sin. You know what she's asking
is how do I give grace to somebody who's hurting me.
I know. And and I'm saying she does, she doesn't
say hurting me. She says somebody who's doing.
Things, uh, how do I give them grace and then
(47:43):
they end up not doing the right thing. We give
them grace and grace is the power that does that, right?
I got it. Grace is gonna be that shaking of
the head and dismissing me a moment ago thinking, oh,
he's on a roll and he's missing the questions, but
this is, this is, this is.
(48:04):
No stopping him now, but I think that the thing is,
is though, is we're.
We can't, we're not the, we can't police people and
we're not called to police people and sometimes you have
to let people learn the hard way and that is
(48:26):
really hard for parents. And you also have to entrust
them to God, knowing that God is actually able to
give them the ability to do the right thing. And
are they gonna do the wrong thing sometimes? Yes, of course,
we all do.
But the grace of God keeps working in us too.
What if it's somebody who keeps doing the bad thing?
Then we pray for more grace for them. You could
(48:47):
spank them if they're your kid. And we also pray,
you know, but, uh, but I think this is the
same question Sam asked earlier. But what, what is our
attitude of grace? How do we show them grace? Wouldn't
that be to commit them to God then, to commit
them to God and to forgive them, to be willing
to forgive them, right, over and over again. If my
brother sins against me 7 times.
(49:07):
Do I have to forgive him 7 times 70 and
you know I can't believe people calculate that to be 490, 490.
I think this is 491. 0 wait, you're not supposed
to do that. I'm joking. I'm joking. You know, you know,
the NIV doesn't say, uh, 70 times 7. Yeah, it
it doesn't make it 490. It says.
(49:29):
What does it say? Like, just like a lot 7 times,
several times, yeah, no, it does say 7, but it's not,
it doesn't say the same thing. I'm gonna look it
up right now. So Christina, I don't know if we
lost you if you're still there.
I'm still here. Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. Did you,
were you able to hear the response from Brian and Cheryl?
Yes, for the most part, yes. OK, well, thankfully we
(49:53):
archive everything on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, so
maybe go back after, uh, after 4 o'clock today and
go look for the November 21st episode and you'll get it, uh,
in its entirety so that you can hear the answer
and
Because you yourself didn't get to answer the question, um,
I hope it, I hope we answered it because I
just read it off the screen. Ask the question. What
(50:14):
did I say? Answer. Oh, OK, right. I mean, how
many people call and answer their own questions? I mean,
there are, we had this one guy recently, yes, no,
I've had that happen. Yes. Yes. All right, Doreen in
Ontario who's watching us on Instagram right now. Hey there, Doreen.
Let's wave to her and, uh, what is your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Hello, hello for taking my call, um.
Let me see, my question is, I was gonna ask
a question, but I think you guys are short on time,
so I think this would be more important.
Um, I've been sharing the gospel wherever I go, and
I'm running into where people have no Bibles. So I'm
(50:55):
wondering where I can get free Bibles to give these
Bibles to.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know if you
can get free Bibles, but I think if you contacted
the Gideon's, um, you know, Gideon's is a Bible distributing,
they give free Bibles out like in all the hotels
and everything like that.
And I would think that they would be the most
likely place to start, you know, I know somebody who
(51:21):
goes to the charity shops in England. A charity shop
would be like Goodwill and Salvation Army because a lot
of people, um, get rid of Bibles and they buy
Bibles there to give out, and I know that they
tend to be less expensive, so that's another way to
do it too, but I think Gideon would be a good.
Yeah, good place to research and see. Yeah, I'm pretty
(51:43):
sure they do something, you know. Yes, I just found
something on Gideons.org. If you click over, get involved, resources
need Bibles. Look at that. And if you click that.
Yeah, check that out. Plus, of course, we're having a sale,
a fantastic sale tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday at, uh, Calvary Chapel,
(52:03):
Costa Mesa, the chapel store. Is that right? Yes, is it?
Is that right? That's what they told me. It better be.
It's on the corner. Is that on the corner right here,
like the corner we're looking at, the wet corner that
we're looking at the parking lot sale. I hope it
dries up. Oh my goodness, look over the mountains. Look
how beautiful that is lovely. Yes, yeah, the parking lot
sale Saturday and Sunday at, at the corner of Fairview
and MacArthur, so.
(52:24):
Check that out. You know what we saw on the
way to Kwave? A rainbow. Ah, and you know what,
it looked like it was coming right here. Yeah, it
was right over Kwave. It was right over the Kwave building.
What does that tell you?
Does this answer your question, Doreen?
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Thank you. You know what, um, do you have a
little time? Yeah, go ahead. You can answer it. OK.
You know what, I have the hardest time understanding and
reading and maybe even explaining Revelation 21:1 and 2.
OK.
I have a little bit of history background, meaning I
used to be a Jehovah's Witness. So trying to understand
that and trying to get detox that paradise that they
(53:05):
taught us to get that out, it's just hard for
me to comprehend, you know,
Speaker 1 (53:12):
OK, Doreen, I am so excited that you are a
Christian and that you used to that you were delivered
from the Jehovah Witnesses because every time I go by.
When people are sharing and I think those people, they
don't know what they're doing, and I'm always praying for
them to be delivered and that no one would listen
(53:33):
to them. Oh, I think that's excellent, Doreen. I am
so proud of you. No, I'd rather hear what you're
saying right now. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
I actually go to the carts and I talk to
them and actually I had their, it's they consider themselves
an elder. I was at a laundromat one day and
they happened to come to me. I've been out for what,
13 years now, and he came to me.
And you know they they present and say, what do
(54:00):
you think about you know this paradise? what do you think? And,
and I already know, and I go, I know where
you're going with this. And I said, I used to
be one, and he, he was very interested in what
I had to say. He sat down and I basically
gave him an earful and he was like, like he
even leaned over and
He said, I'm of the anointed. I usually don't share this,
(54:22):
meaning he's a part of the 144,000. And I sat
there and I read, I kind of read the Revelations
part where it talks about the 12 tribes and having
the Jewish descent, you've got to be a virgin and
a male. And I said, so like, and he wouldn't
(54:43):
answer me if you fall into that category.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Mhm. So is it, did you say 21 Revelation 21:1
and 2? I believe she did.
The the new heaven and the new earth for the
first heaven and earth had passed away. No more sea.
I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down
from heaven. Um,
Speaker 2 (55:03):
and I've I've watched videos where pastors explain it and
still I just like for me to explain it to
a witness, a witness.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
What's the stumbling block there for them? What, what, why
would this need to be explained? And we're running out
of time, so give us 10 seconds, Doreen. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (55:19):
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Doreen, can you give us 10 seconds?
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, of course. No,
Speaker 1 (55:24):
no, meaning, uh, give us your question in 10 seconds. 00,
your response. I think you're gonna have to I
Speaker 2 (55:30):
was
just wondering how to explain that to
somebody.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
OK, hey, call us back next week and let's talk
about it.
Sorry, we really want to get into this. Yes, it is.
It is. I just wonder how, like, why do you
have to explain that to him? Like what, what is the, well,
she said it's because of the paradise. Who knows? We'll
find out. We'll find out. Oh, cliffhanger, call back on Monday, please. Yes, uh,
Brian and Cheryl will be here on Wednesday. So if
you want to talk to them for sure, call then
(55:54):
and everyone else, sorry about the phone problems. We will
be back on Monday here on Pastor's Perspective. See you
at church on Sunday.
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