December 2, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. And no, this is
not Brian Perez, and Brian Perez is apparently MIA. He
is somewhere. I don't, I don't know where he is,
but hopefully he's gonna
He's gonna bust through that door anytime. Now I can't.
Uh, I can't condemn him because I have been late
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on a number of occasions myself, but, uh, but here
we are, and by the way, this is Pastor Brian
Broderson speaking to you.
And I actually used to do this part of the
program for several years. So I'm a little bit rusty,
but um I think I'm doing OK. Phil's looking a
bit nervous. No, no, no, I feel very good about
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how you're doing. This is, this is going really well
so far. I'm all in with you. OK. And you know, it's,
it's helping me because I'm just looking right at Dr.
Phil and I know that if I need any emotional support,
I've got it coming.
Yeah, yeah, you're good, you're good to go. And man,
we have all those written up questions already. We already
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know what's coming and we're ready to go. Yeah, yeah, that, that, OK,
the only thing I don't have are questions. So we,
I have some, Brian. I have some from the email. Oh,
you do. OK. Oh yes, the email, right? I saw that,
but I didn't open it.
So I did. I have it open. If we get
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to the place where we need that, I am, I'm
ready for you. I have, I got you. OK, good. OK, uh, uh,
I'm looking, Phil, you've been in the studio, so you know,
I'm looking into the, um, I'm looking through the window
and I'm looking. Oh, Michael David has come to the rescue. Oh,
this is so good. Always, Michael David.
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The hero, we might have, we might have pulled it off,
but I, I feel much better about Michael David, jumping
in the driver's seat. I'm just filling in until Brian
gets here. He is Brian? He is, uh, he is
on his way. He will be here very, very soon. So, uh, yes,
I don't know. In the many, many years that I've
done this program, I don't know that this has ever happened. I,
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I've never seen Brian. I mean, you know, Brian.
Obviously there are times when you sit in for him
or something, but we, we always know that in advance. Um,
I didn't know that till 10 seconds before the show
started and Johnny said, you have to, you have to
start the program. Now Brian did say he texted you, yeah,
did you? Oh, did he? Yeah, well, you know, I
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didn't look at that text apparently, so.
But we've got Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here today. Yes,
on today's program, uh, Brian, the pastor emeritus of Calvary
Chapel Costa Mesa and from Echoesof Mercy.com.
And, uh, Pastor Phil Metzger from Calvary Chapel, San Diego
are with us on the program. So you can call
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us at 888-564-6173 if you have a question for Pastor
Brian or Pastor Phil. Again, 888-564-6173. I just saw the text. OK, yes,
and yeah, the text did say it's the BB and
Phil show until I arrive. So, that's right. That's right.
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So we, we feel much better with you. Thank you.
I feel better with you guys. It's always good being
with the good pastors, you know. So it's a blessing,
blessing for me as long as it lasts. I wanted
to start with those Facebook questions if that's OK, uh,
that you get. Phil, Phil read those so we can go.
You read which one, which one did you read? Well,
I didn't know. I didn't read it on, on air,
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but I have them pulled up in case I.
Needed to read a question. I was ready. I had
the question from, um, Janet and, uh, Irvine. Go ahead,
go ahead and read that then, Pastor. You want me
to read it? OK, go ahead. Alright, so Pastor Brian,
I'll go to you first. Hey, listen to me. I'm
all in. OK, here we go. Jannet, Janet says, hello,
I am a reborn Christian. I grew up non-devout Catholic.
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I left church altogether for years. Last December I started
going to a Calvary church.
My question is, should I be baptized at Calvary? I'm
not sure how to perceive baptism, thank you. So Brian,
over to you, what do you think about that? Well,
first of all, I just love, I love the
The simplicity with which she is communicating that I'm a
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reborn Christian that just sounded so wonderful, didn't it? um.
So the the Bible teaches that baptism. Now I was,
I was raised in Roman Catholicism. So I was baptized
as a child.
And yet, um, that didn't really.
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You know, it it it had no impact on me. Um,
it was just a ritual that I, I went through.
My parents, of course, were the ones who had me baptized. Um,
the Bible teaches that baptism
Is something that follows conversion rather than precedes it or
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causes conversion.
So when a person is converted, and what I mean
by that is like the term that that she used reborn, uh,
when a person is born again, when a person uh
comes to know Jesus by receiving him as their Lord, um,
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then baptism follows because baptism is a, it's like a
public declaration.
That you have made that commitment to Jesus. So whether
you do that, um, I mean, if you're, you should
obviously I think, uh, do it at the church that
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you're going to. So I would on a practical level,
I would just say speak to the pastor of the church,
speak to the leaders of the church, ask them about baptism. Uh,
we do a number of baptisms throughout the year.
Uh, we stagger them, uh, you know, in the winter
time we do them here at the church. In the summer, we,
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we go down to the beach and we will do
them down there. Um, but you can ask them about when, uh,
a baptism will occur. And of course, sometimes there's maybe
even a little class that is given in advance for
people to attend so they know exactly what's happening with baptism. But,
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but I would say you want to be baptized.
Um, not because you'll become any more saved because as
you have put your faith and trust in Jesus, you
are now a Christian, like you said, you're reborn and
now your baptism is going to be, um, really just
a step, uh, further into your discipleship, a step further
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into your life, uh, in Christ and like I said
as well, it's gonna be an opportunity for you to publicly.
Express your faith in Jesus. Phil, you got anything to add?
No, I think that was a great answer, and I,
I agree. I love the way she writes it. I love,
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you know, I love the idea of reborn Christian. I
love that. I'm thankful for that, and I think I
love that it sounds like it came up, maybe it
came up at her church, like as she's going to church,
it kind of the idea, and I love that. And
like you said, man, if you're, if you're at a church, Janet,
go get baptized at your church. It's a great, that's
a great idea. Absolutely. Well, Janet, thank you for contacting
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us from Irvine on our Facebook page.
Pastor's perspective. Again, if you want to talk to the pastors,
the number is 888-564-6173. Again, 888-564-6173. Michael David in for
Brian Perez until he gets here, and you can call
us at 888-564-6173. Another one, this one comes from an
anonymous person in Ontario.
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Uh, this person writes, me and my mom don't have
the greatest relationship, and I've been doing therapy to try
to heal my inner child wounds. And although I try
my best not to let things bother me, the tension
is still high. She was recently diagnosed with cancer, and
I'm the one who is going to be the primary caregiver.
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How can I try to have a one-sided forgiveness so
I can push forward and not hold any anger or
feel any type of way?
Also, can you please pray for our overall situation? Uh,
thank you very much and God bless you. We'll start
with Pastor Phil on this one.
Yeah, I also like the way this person, though no name, right, anonymous,
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I like the way that they wrote the, you know,
even things like, um, how do I live with a
one-sided forgiveness, I like that. I like that wording because
You know, um, in many ways there, there's a, there
is a point to be made that like forgiveness is
kind of one-sided, um, and I, and I would say
this to this person who's, you know, being very gracious
to take on the care of their mom as a
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caregiver as she goes through cancer treatment and so on.
So I think we, we oftentimes mistake the idea of
like forgiveness with the idea that I'm not gonna be
frustrated by that thing anymore. So like, we have this
kind of false idea, if I forgive, then I will
completely forget and never be bothered by that ever again.
And then what happens is, you know, for a lot
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of our lives, you know, like let's say I forgive
somebody that's no longer a part of my life and
then I I'm, I feel great.
But then I see them a year later, and it
all comes back to me, and then I say, oh
my gosh, I'm a terrible Christian because I must not
have really forgiven because I'm really frustrated seeing them right now.
And I think we're mistaking the idea of forgiveness with
the idea that like, that doesn't mean I'm just forgetting things.
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I am still the one in process. I'm being sanctified,
the Lord's working His grace in and through my life.
And forgiveness for us humans, we're not God, we don't
have the capacities that God has with like, he's the
most generous, magnanimous being of all. Um, I, I struggle,
and so I can forgive, but still know, gosh, my
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human nature is still wrestling through with that, and so I,
when I, when my human nature struggles, it gives me
another opportunity to go to the Lord and say, Lord,
help me once again, I'm struggling with this. Help me to,
help me again, help me to.
Help me to forgive. And so when you have a
mom who's not looking for that and she's dealing with her,
her own physical issues, forgiveness is somewhat one-sided. How do
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you do it? You have to be regularly at the,
at the feet of Jesus, asking God to help you,
to help you not just to forgive, but to just
be a Christian, and, you know, I, I don't think
as Christians we just bottle up our frustrations and just say, well,
that's just the way it's gotta be, but we want
to learn to be as gracious as we can.
And that God, you know, God is present even as
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we're kind of struggling through those things. So forgiveness and
forgetfulness are not the same things. Brian, did you want
to say anything?
Oh, that was, that was great. I, I just would,
I would, I would just kind of reiterate really what
Phil is saying and just, I, I would say too,
this is a, this is a discipleship moment for you.
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This is an opportunity for you to grow in God's grace.
It's gonna be a challenge, no doubt about it. And
but who knows? I mean, maybe this will be the
thing that will bring
Um, your mother, uh, to a place of experiencing God's
love and forgiveness herself, and, you know, there could be a, a,
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a beautiful thing that emerges from this. So, I, I
would just step into it and just say, Lord, you know,
this is a challenge for me and you know, I
just really need your help and um and it's probably
gonna be something that you do, you know, every day.
And, and like Phil said, it's, we're in a process
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and if you like, you know, like the illustration that
he gave, you know, you forgive somebody, but then you
don't see him and then you see him again and
all of a sudden all those emotions and things stir
up again. It's, it's at that moment that you just say, OK, Lord, uh, yeah, I,
I forgave that person. So, uh, help me through this,
you know, moment where my emotions have just sort of,
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you know, flared up.
And you know, remember um God's grace to you and
remember that you have forgiven them and then just, you know, step, step,
step into that but it it won't be without its challenges,
but God will give you what you need to to
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do it.
That's so good. And look, who is here. Hello, it's
Michael David. I'm still here. I don't know where Brian is.
Uh, uh, that was a pretty good Michael David. Not
as good as Johnny, but it was, no, no, no, no, Johnny,
Johnny's got it. But, OK, here he is. The 1st
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10 minutes was very entertaining. I was listening on the way. Well,
you know, I, I didn't get your text until, uh,
you know, I heard that 2 or 3 minutes into
the program, so.
That's all right. Yes, but so good to see you.
How did, how did we do? I mean, it was,
you know, I think you did well, and that would
have been if, if Mike had not come in, and,
and it would have been great to hear. Well, no,
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Phil did read one of the questions, and I thought
that was fun, and, yeah, so.
OK, I'm trying to catch up here. Let's see. We
read Janet's question and we replacing you is the point, Brian.
You are irreplaceable. No, that's not true. Yeah, yeah, we
felt like we're, you know, we had the training wheels on,
and now, um, we're back to, you know, we're back
to the bicycle, the two wheels.
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Well, good to be here. OK, so, um, OK, so
let's do one more question that was sent in online
and then we'll go to the phones 888-564-6173, the number
to call, and, uh, oh, I, I remember what this
one is. So it's kind of uh two people asking
a similar question kind of situation. So it's Matt in
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orange who writes.
This is a long convoluted question on how to answer
my adult children over support for Israel. They both seem
to trend towards anti-Israel rhetoric. This ties into scripture where
they see the church as Israel and the promises toward
Israel are now meant for the church and those who
have faith in Christ.
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This is also in the context of parts of Revelation
like the 144,000 and the gates of the new Jerusalem
having the tribes of Israel named, which they call allegories.
One of them is also, I think, a millennial, maybe
preterist in theology, which is another one I cannot answer
them over, but it seems tied up with the view
on Israel. I do not agree with their views. What
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say ye?
And then Robert and Duarte writes, Hi pastors, why do
many California pastors support Netanyahu, the IDF, and the Mossad?
These entities have not by accident, Robert says, killed or
murdered Christians, committed genocide, and often malign or hate Jesus.
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So what do you guys say to Matt and to Robert?
Wow, it's kind of like, um.
Yeah, two opposite sides of the, of the, I was
gonna say it'd be great if Matt and Robert called
in and we can put them on together and they
can just, and then we, no, none of us will
have to be here. We'll just listen to Matt and
Robert go back. OK, OK, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take
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the first one and then Phil can take the, the
second one,
OK, so, yes, there, there are a.
There are different views among Christians about eschatology. Eschatology is
in the time of the end, the end times. Um, there,
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there are views, um.
Like a millennialism or a millennialism. I think a millennialism
makes more sense because it's like.
A means uh no, like atheist, no God. A millennialism
means no millennium. And so there are Christians who hold
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to a millennial view and they're for a long, long
period in in the history of the church, that became
a sort of the default position, say from maybe the
4th century, um, all the way through to, gosh, you know,
maybe the um
Maybe even the 19th century, the the dominant view in
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the church was a millennialism. Um, preterism is, is similar
but slightly different preterism. The word preterist means, um, you know,
already paraphrase, it's kind of like it's already happened. And
so they look at passages like Matthew 24, for example.
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Uh, where, uh, I would think that Jesus is talking
about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, but he's
also projecting out to the future, um, destruction of Jerusalem
and his second coming. The preterist says, oh, all of
that happened already back in 70 AD. And then you
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have um
You know, of course, the pre-millennial view would say, um, there,
there is a future for the people of Israel. They
although presently are, um, not the people of God, as
Hosea would say, you are not my people and I
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will not be your God, the Lord says to Hosea.
But in the place that he said to them, you
are not my people, they will there be called the
children of the living God.
Uh, Israel is in a is in a time, it's a,
it's a, it's a very extended time from the time
of Jesus' first coming, uh, to today where they are
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out of the covenant relationship with God. But I think
the preponderance of scripture, um, just the simple, straightforward reading
like anyone would do.
Unless you got some theological influence, otherwise you would conclude
that there is a future for Israel. Probably the clearest
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passage on this is Romans 11. And if people take
the time to read Romans 11 and maybe read it,
you know, a number of times over to get what's
really being said there, um, it becomes clear that there
are a group of people who are not the church.
And they're not the Gentiles, but they're a group of
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people that are related to the patriarchs who are presently
not in a covenantal relationship with God but will be
again in the future.
So now, going back to the question, how do you
navigate this with your your children, your friends, you know,
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your your brothers and sisters and Jesus who hold a
different view. Um, I would say the first thing is
you don't want to have a war over it. You
want to recognize that, OK, there are different views and
just simply to to agree to disagree.
And I think there's also room to challenge and say, hey, well,
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what about this? And well, why do you think that?
And how do you, how do you really um interpret
this passage of scripture? That's all fair, fine and good,
but what we don't want to do is get into
a conflict where we become, you know, contentious, and then
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we separate and then we decide.
Well, you know, that person is a heretic. I don't
even know about the validity of their faith because they
hold a different view on this. Um, this is a
secondary matter. It's not a salvation issue. Um, I think
there is a right answer and a wrong answer, but
I think we have to be, um, wise and gracious
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and patient.
Um, when we discuss these things, and I have friends
who are in the opposite position that I am, uh,
when it comes to these ideas, and, you know, we've
had times where we've just had, um, civil conversations where
in the end nobody was persuaded to change their position
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and we hugged each other and said let's go follow
Jesus and serve him.
Phil Metzger.
Yeah, I think, I think this, this, this one, I'm
gonna read the second one again, Brian Perez, if that's OK,
just to remind everybody, a lot of practice today reading
the questions. Yeah, yeah, I'm feeling empowered today, so I'm
just gonna, you know, keep going. I think he's gunning
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for my job. If I'm late again, it's all fills.
I already said you're irreplaceable. No, no chance, no how, um,
but I was just gonna say too, like I think like.
Uh, just before I read it, we, I think someday
I wanna teach a class on like how to agreeably
disagree in conversation like.
You know, I mean, especially holidays, it always comes as like,
you know, hey, let's all get together with a bunch
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of people we don't see all year and what are
we gonna talk about, you know, and, and there's always
one person that wants to like light the fire, you know,
they just like light the match to like blow things up,
and we all need to learn how to like have
these conversations. So, let me, let me read this question, um,
this is the second one that was sent and um
it was how, why do many California pastorists support Netanyahu,
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the IDF, Mossad.
These entities have killed or murdered Christians, committed genocide, and
often malign or hate Jesus. And then this is the
part that I wanted to read. This is an important topic,
please do not tiptoe around this issue. So I love that,
he's like, hey, don't you try to be all, don't
you try to, you know, tiptoe around that. So, and
Phil's an instigator because I didn't even read that line,
but Phil wanted to go there, so good for you, Phil. See,
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that's why he should be the host. I mean, he's
just gonna be confrontational and everything. Just, let's just go
after it, OK. All right, so let's not tiptoe.
Let's, um, and this guy's obviously, you know, lives in California,
so he's listening to pastors here in California. So, uh,
but I'm sure this, no, start again. It is true
all over the country, there are pastors that are like,
you know, gonna talk about the IDF, Mossad, Netanyahu.
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And they're going to convolute the issue, and Pastor Brian
just talked about this. We need to separate like biblical
Israel and like the work of God that he's still
wanting to accomplish through the people of God, through the
Jewish people. We need to separate that from the present,
current political, national identity.
And so I'm not, I, where I am tiptoeing is
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I have nothing to say on like, you know, committing genocide,
doing these things, we're all reading the news so people
can just draw their conclusions. Here's the point.
Mossad and IDF and Netanyahu are not, that's not, the
Bible doesn't say they're the, the, the saviors, they're not
the heroes, they're, they're just there right now, and yet
I can't take away from the fact that the Bible
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still tells me that one day God is going to
do a work among the people of Israel.
And so, presently we see things and you may watch
the news and go, oh my gosh, I can't believe
Israel would do this. I thought they're God's people. They're
no more, listen, they're, they're not following God. They're, it's
a nation, it's a secular nation that's not following God, and,
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but one day God will continue to do something in
and through them.
And that day is not now. And so, no, I,
I don't think our pastors should be supporting Mossad and
IDF and Netanyahu. They're, they're just people, but we do
support the work of God that he will accomplish that
his word tells us he will accomplish. Any other thoughts,
Pastor Brian? Um, that's great. Very good, Phil. I, yeah,
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I would just say, you know, I think that 100%
what Phil just said, and, and, you know, we have to.
We do have to make a separate, we we have
to understand and see through the biblical lens and you know, again,
at the current moment in history, Israel is in a
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place where they are still disconnected from God and that
goes for the atheist as well as the most devout orthodox.
Rabbi, because they're trying to, in the case of the religious,
they're trying to come to God in a way that
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you can't get to him. You can't get to God
without going through the Messiah, and they have rejected the Messiah. So,
you know, we have to understand that. But I think
also we have to recognize
That providentially God has brought them, I believe, back into
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the land for 2000 years. This is unheard of in history,
never happened with any other people. For 2000 years they
were dispersed all around the world and they did not
lose their national identity. They retained it and they were
restored to the land.
That they were driven out of. And I think that
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to to fail to see the providence of God in that, I,
I just think you kind of just have to close
your eyes or you just have to sink yourself so
deep in a theological position that you're not really going
to even think about it. Um, I read a book
some years ago called
Um, the, the, the book is called Jerusalem, uh, a biography,
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and it's by Simon Sebag Montefiore, uh, who is not
a Christian, um, who is a secular Jew and a historian, and, um, and,
and of course I've taught the Bible and read the
scriptures and read many books on, on all of this,
but reading that book was just another, I, I walked
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away thinking,
The miracle of the existence of the people of Israel
in the land today. Humanly speaking, it is just like
you cannot.
You can't attribute it to any human effort. There is something, uh, obviously,
if you look at the details, there is something obviously
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divine about it. And so I think we have to
always keep that in mind. You know, Phil, I was
thinking how, um, you know, God's left Himself a witness
in the world in a variety of different ways. You know,
Paul tells us in Romans one that
Um, the, uh, visible things, the invisible things of God
are clearly seen and understood by the, by the visible things. And, um.
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And of course, there's the gospel of Jesus that goes
out into the world. But, but I think the ongoing
Existence of Israel as a people, it's almost like God
is just saying, hey, check this out. We're, I, I'm,
I'm still here. I'm still, you know, these people that
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I called from Abraham.
Um, you know, all these thousands of years ago, um,
they're still here. And I, I think that, I, I
don't know. I mean, to me, it's like you, you
just have to, like I said, you kind of have
to just close your eyes and plug your ears, uh,
to conclude that this is just, it's just something that just,
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you know, sort of happened in history, and we don't
know why, but it doesn't mean anything, uh, significantly in
relation to God. I, I think it does.
Hm. Yeah, that's a lot harder work to deny that
than it is to just accept it. Yeah, I think so.
And I mean, you know, we, we could spend a
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whole program just going over all kinds of different, um,
different things that the scriptures themselves say that, um, things
that have happened historically, things that are happening currently that
I think point us in a direction, um, but
That's for another program.
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Yes, indeed. So, uh, let's see, Robert and Matt, thank
you so much for sending in your questions online and
uh I hope that answers them. OK, it's just about
break time here on Pastor's perspective. So what we're gonna
do is take a break, cause that's what you do
at break time. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. I'm
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Brian Perez, filling in for Michael David, who is filling
in for Brian Perez, and uh we've got pastors Brian Broderson.
And Phil Metzger here. And if you're watching on Facebook, YouTube,
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questions at 888-564-6173. Pete and Joanna, you guys are coming
up and so is everyone else at 888-564-6173.
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Great. That was, uh, that was good, yeah, very, very good. Um,
I'm not gonna sit here and say the Lord's gonna,
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we don't raise a million dollars by 4 o'clock. The
Lord's gonna call us home. No, we're not gonna do that.
Remember that guy? Yeah. Oh yeah, Pastor Chuck, he, you know,
because there, there were, wait, wait, wait, Pastor Chuck was
not the one who said that. No, no, no, make
that clear. He was the one. He was the one
who always would, you know.
Now you know God's not broke and, you know, because
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he would, he would inevitably see these, you know, what
we would.
Call back in those days the televangelists who were, uh,
you know, they're pleading for God basically that, uh, within
the hour, the whole thing was gonna go under unless, uh,
you know, you came to the rescue and that used
to just drive him out of his mind so he
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was very, uh.
Very vocal about the fact that God's not broke. So
God is not broke, but you know, sometimes we are,
and so we can, we can, uh, yeah, we can
give and we can, we can help out and I think, um,
you know, this is a great ministry like you said
that it's been 40 years in what we're doing and so, um, yeah, every, every,
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every little bit helps.
All right, uh, let's go to the phones now. Here
is Pete in San Pedro listening on FM 107.9 K wave.
What do you got for us today, Pete?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
OK, first of all, this is Pete from San Pedro. Yeah,
we know I called David corrected me that it was
supposed to be San Pedro. OK, I brought that up
at our men's study at Calvin Chapel San Pedro, and
I was corrected that that's how you know you're not.
You're not a local because you, and, and I got
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a history lesson on it that it wasn't formed by
Hispanics and it was formed by actually Italians and they
pointed out some of the historic sites that still exist and,
and that it is San Pedro so.
I just wanted to
say
Speaker 1 (34:07):
that. Well, you know what, it's always good to get
the correct information about stuff. I, I love that. That's great.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh yeah, no, thank you, yeah, I, I noticed Michael
David was there on at first and um, but Brian, Brian.
Um, Perez had mentioned it to me once before something
about it, and, um, and, and so yeah, I just,
I mentioned it at church, and they went in depth.
I mean, I'm not gonna waste time with all of
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the details, but yeah that's how you know you're not
from here if you call it San Pedro,
Speaker 1 (34:43):
kind of like that Bible story when the, what was it, the,
the sibboleth shibboleth, what, what is that? Yes, yes, yeah,
how do you say.
Shibboleth or do you say siboleth and depending on how
you said it, it could mean life or death in
that situation.
We're not that legalistic here. You can say San Pedro,
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San Pedro, whichever, and, uh, we'll still let you on
to ask your question. So what is your question, Pete?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
That, that had me, um, going, OK, well, it was
in Zechariah chapter 11.
And it's verse, um, I believe it starts with 12,
and it's talking about the potter's field where the 30
pieces of silver are, are cast. It says, um, the
Lord said unto me, cast it to the potter a
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goodly price, and I was prized as of them, and
I took the 30 pieces of silver and cast it
to the potter in the house of the Lord. OK,
now that's referencing to Matthew 26.
Um, 14 through 16 and then also 27, 9, and
10 is where, you know, Judas Iscariot takes the 30
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pieces of silver that he got for betraying the Lord
and throws them down on the temple floor and, and
then they
I, I always thought they decided at that point to
use it for a potter's seal because they couldn't use
it because it was blood money. They wouldn't, they wouldn't
take it back. But now is this just like.
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Um, prophesying about that, or did they always have that
potter's field there, and that was just a coincidence that
it was 30 pieces of silver that was, um, used at,
at on this, uh, chapter, um, Zachary 11:13. The Lord
said unto me, cast it unto the potter a goodly
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price that I was prized, and I took the 30
pieces of silver and cast them to the potter in
the house of the Lord.
So was there always that was always uh existed and
then it just
Speaker 1 (36:54):
yeah yeah so so with you know with prophecy sometimes
you have um
You have a near and a far fulfillment. So the
near fulfillment is what Zechariah does there. He takes it
and he, um, he casts the money, um, out, you know,
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the 30 pieces of silver, but that is, uh, it's
also has a, a far fulfillment. The far fulfillment, of course,
would be what happened with Judas and Matthew. So Matthew
tells us.
Um, we wouldn't necessarily have known.
Um, had Matthew not recorded and told us that, that
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it was a fulfillment of prophecy, but when you, you know,
when you find that, especially the New Testament writers, when
you find them referring back to something in the Old Testament, like,
for example, um, Isaiah 7:14 says, uh, the virgin will
conceive and bear a son, and you shall call his
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name Emmanuel.
And before he's old enough to make a difference between, uh,
you know, a different type of food and so forth, um,
these two kings will be removed from their position. OK,
so that's a prophecy about something that's going to happen, um,
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relatively near to the time of Isaiah.
But we know from Matthew that it was also a
prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus because Matthew tells
us that when Jesus was conceived of a virgin and born,
that it was in fulfillment of Isaiah the prophet's words, uh,
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there in 7:14. So you have the same thing with
Zechariah that you have with Isaiah. You have a near
fulfillment and you have a far fulfillment. Phil Metzger.
That's great, yeah, and just uh, it's kind of another
thought to this too when you, when you look at Zechariah,
God tells Zechariah to take on the role of a
shepherd over Israel, and then there's this, you know, he's
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being sold, you know, or they're selling, you know, 30
pieces of silver, and, you know, the Old Testament described
the idea of that much money being used for the
price of like a, a, a, a, a discarded slave,
like a very minimal kind of a
And, and so when Matthew quotes this or uses this, the, the,
the picture that we get is, is kind of similar
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to Zachariah in that God's shepherd is being rejected, he's
being valued, you know, very low, but he came to
save people. So it's this beautiful, it really is a
beautiful picture, but it is like, like Pastor Brian said,
there's an immediate and then there's this kind of long
game that Matthew is describing and um,
You know, there's nothing ever haphazard about the scripture, even
if we're not totally clear on it. One day when
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we're in heaven, all these threads will be just so
crystal clear to us. Yeah, Pete, thank you for calling
us from San Pedro, which is probably the very proper
way to say it. San Pedro. I thought it would
be San Pedro with the rolling of the R, San Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, Pedro.
One of those, hey, Petros, one, you know, yes, Petros,
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it's all the same. It's Peter. Yeah, it's Pete. It's
Pete from Saint Pete.
Thanks for calling in today at 888-564-6173. I gotta tell
you guys something that I, I learned yesterday that I,
I don't know how many people will be as interested
in this as I am. OK, so you know that
we have the King James Bible, right?
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Yes, so the King James Bible was commissioned by James
the 6th of Scotland, who was the 1st of England.
So Elizabeth the 1st was the queen for many years.
When Elizabeth died, uh, the throne went to her godson James.
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Um,
And you know, he's he's, he's been one of those
monarchs that that's kind of been, uh, he had some quirks,
he had some peculiarities about him, so he's he's kind
of been dismissed in a lot of ways. And I,
I remember watching a documentary some time ago where it
was basically talking about
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Um, you know, because we know a lot about like
Henry the 8th and we know a lot about Henry
the 5th, and we know a lot about Elizabeth, uh, Elizabeth,
and we know a lot about Victoria and so forth, but,
but he's a king that nobody pays that much attention to.
But they were talking about the fact that, you know, he,
he's probably more well known than any of the, of
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the British monarchs because of the King James Bible.
But he's also
Um, which very few people know.
The Union Jack, which is the flag of Britain.
He invented that flag, and the Jack stood for Jacob,
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which is the name James.
And it was under James that England and Scotland became
one nation instead of two. Interesting. So people who think
that King James was, oh well, you know, he was
that guy with the Bible, but who knows anything about him? Well,
just look at the British flag and then you'll go,
oh wait, he's the guy who.
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Created that, yeah, yeah, and today King James, today King
James is a famous basketball player.
So he's gone up in stature with history, I guess. So, yes,
he's globally recognized today. I'll tell you that much. I
wonder if King James sewed that first flag. He designed it.
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He designed it. He designed it. I don't know that
he sewed it, but he might have. You never know. Yes,
but the fascinating thing about him, he's, he was a
phenomenally brilliant scholar. When he was 8 years old, he
could speak like 5 different languages fluently. He could read
a translation.
Uh, he could read the English and translate it into
French and into Spanish and into Italian, all, you know,
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right on the spot. I mean, it's like Phil Metzger
couldn't do that till he was 12 years old, so,
you know, yeah, boy, Phil Metzger wish he could do
that in English. That's incredible. Isn't that crazy? Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah,
I don't know why I shared that. I mean, it's just,
you know, a little trivia.
Fun facts from Brian. Yeah, fun facts from Pastor Brian's almanac.
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That's what that was. All right, here is Joanna calling
in from Fullerton who has a public service announcement to
make about our radio station. What is that, Joanna?
Well, the a.m. station is static today for me, and
that's not cool because that's how I listen to it
on my way home not cool. So we are working
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on that, but, uh, thankfully we have the Kwave app
and of course FM 107.9 K wave, so we appreciate
your phone call, Joanna.
And the whole. That's how I listen to you. That's
true too. You can call in. We'll put you on
hold and you can.
We have had people, hey, can I just, can you
just put me on hold so I can hear the
radio stations's like, uh, well, no, but anyway, we'll make
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exceptions sometimes.
So what's your question for us, Joanna? Question for you.
Fun one. So I'm thinking of like, like traditionally my
family celebrates Three Kings Day, and I think it's January 6th,
and I'm just curious if there's any biblical backing behind that,
or is it just more tradition? Hmm, Phil.
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It, it is tradition, um, it is tradition, it's not
bad tradition, it's not like we have to throw it
out because it's a bad idea, um, we call it like, uh,
you'll hear it in the Catholic Church called Epiphany, and
it's the celebration of the magi, the three kings, but
it's also like its original kind of intent was the
idea that like this is, this is God to the nations,
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to the world.
And so, you know, it's not just his birth um
on December 25th, but the, the idea of the magi
arriving and that it was like to the Gentile world,
to the non-Jew, to the rest of the, of humanity. So,
it is extra-biblical, it is not bad, there's no, I don't,
I don't, not that I've ever.
Heard of anything that's bad, um, but it's not like a,
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there's nothing you could say in the Bible. This proves it,
here it is, but it is on January 6th. It
is celebrated by a lot of major faith traditions, Catholic
of many Protestant churches, um, so there you go, epiphany.
I think, um, I think it's really, uh, isn't.
January 6th, kind of um Orthodox, the Orthodox Church, isn't
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that Christmas celebration for them, isn't it January 6th?
I think so. It's it's January 6th, or yeah, probably,
it's probably January 6th. I, I think it might be.
What Google what tradition, uh, Joanna, is, what's, what's your
family background? Where would they, where would they pick up
that tradition?
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Roman Catholic, Roman Catholic, OK, well, that's interesting. Yeah, I,
I've never.
Yeah, I, I didn't know that it's January 7th, Brian
is Orthodox Christmas. So yeah, yeah, Epiphany is a separate,
it's a separate holiday that a lot of like we,
we saw this a lot in Europe, um, very common, but, um, yeah, yeah,
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and Hungary is a, is basically a Roman Catholic country
with just a small section of it in Deretson being
kind of the reform center going back to the Reformation period, yeah.
Does that help you, Joanna?
Yeah, it's always nice to hear you guys' perspective. So
thank you. All right, thanks for calling in today to
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Pastor's perspective at 888-564-6173. You know, we, um, we, we
talk about this once in a while, Brian, and it's,
you know, as, uh, was reported to us just now,
our AM station is having some trouble today and
You know, it's, it's interesting because you don't necessarily think and,
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and you don't wanna see like the devil's hand and everything,
you know, that can be weird. But, you know, there
are times when you just think, you know, how much
of this is just the, the enemy just messing with, uh,
our efforts to, to get God's word out to people.
Because sometimes there seems to be no rhyme or reason.
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Why this is not working. So I mean, I'm sure
that the technicians have figured out why it's not working,
but
Let's get that back on the air ASAP. We're working
on it. All right, 888-564-6173. Here is Carrie in Santa Ana.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Carrie.
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Hi. Hi. You're Carrie. You're Carrie. We're K wave. I'm
the 2nd person that does that today. OK, so basically I,
I just have 3 sentences. I have put it all
together cause I was having a hard time putting it together. Um,
what advice can you give Christians who are constantly dealing
with anxiety? Um, speaking personally, I struggle with my faith
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because I get, I get these attacks out of nowhere.
And I mean, I read the Bible.
And I've joined study groups and I mean this past service,
uh Sunday service, I was reminded by the pastor to pray,
but like.
Mm. I'm still dealing with this constant battle.
Uh, Carrie, have you ever, um, been on any medication
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for anxiety?
No, and I've been, I've been speaking to others about it,
and I've seems like it's frowned upon, and I don't
know where, where do I toggle that line in between, um.
Like the, the prescription versus OK, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, there,
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you know, there's a bunch of different opinions about a
lot of things and when it comes to, you know,
things like say depression or anxiety or
Uh, those kinds of things, there's, there's a variety of
different opinions about, you know, what is at the root
of those things and how are we to deal with them.
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And then of course, as Christians, what are we to do? Um,
aren't we just supposed to pray and trust God? And
if I'm actually gonna take some medication, is that like
a lack of faith? And I, that's what I'm thinking, right, OK. And,
and listen.
You know, I, I believe, and I think there's plenty
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of research to, to back this up, that a lot
of um anxiety, panic, these kinds of things, these are,
these are rooted in a person sometimes in their just
in their constitution, and sometimes they are related to, they
can be, you know, chemically related, they can be related
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to hormones, they can be related to.
Uh, different things that go on in our bodies. In
other words, I, I don't think that like a person
who has chronic anxiety, for example, is, it's because they
have a chronic lack of faith or they're in some
kind of, you know, chronic state of sin. I think
many times it is, it's a condition within them that
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they are just vulnerable to.
And thankfully today there are medications that can help people, uh.
You know, handle these kinds of things, uh, better. Um,
Phil and I have a really close friend who did
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ministry for many, many years and then just kind of
out of nowhere began to have severe anxiety, so much so.
That you know he was being taken to the hospital
because he was thinking he was having a heart attack
and this was during the when he was preaching at
church and things like that. So, you know, a person
who is a a a solid Christian loves Jesus, serving
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the Lord, but yet this this thing with anxiety hits
him and you know it lasts for quite a season
and he was able.
Uh, through medication and of course through prayer and biblical
meditation and all that, you know, he, he was able
ultimately to
To get the upper hand on it. And so I
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think if, if, if you've been prayed for, if you've prayed,
if you're, if you're reading your Bible, you're asking the Lord,
and nothing seems to be changing, you know, maybe this
is the point where you look for some professional help
and consider that um there might be a medication that
could be helpful to you.
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Yeah, it's so good, that Carrie, I hope you got
to hear all that and really, um, yeah, really, really
consider that, you know, it's, it's interesting because like, you know,
there's verses in the Bible that speak directly like using
the word anxious or anxiety, and quite often it is
in the context of like, you know, be anxious for nothing,
but in everything, in prayer and supplication, and so
You know, I think, and I think Brian did a
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good job of explaining that we, we want to separate
the idea that like, there's, listen, all of us feel anxiety,
like on a, on a surface kind of a, you know,
a worry level, right? And, and, and there's a point
where we just have to be reminded, I need to
bring this to the Lord.
Right? There's that kind of thing. But then there's what
you're going through and what we're we're talking about. There's
like a, it's a, like, today we have the blessing
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of being able to have, it's like, it's a diagnosed issue, and, and,
and on that level, you shouldn't feel condemned, you shouldn't
feel like, gosh, you know, I'm failing because I prayed
and it's not working. That's, that's an unfair kind of
a uh an assessment.
Um, keep trusting the Lord. Listen, as that anxiety comes up,
please do everything that Brian was mentioning. I think it's
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a great idea. Go get some outside help. Let somebody
get you in the right direction. But as you're feeling that,
don't feel, don't believe the lie that the devil would
say that you're less than because of that. Bring it
to the Lord. Trust the Lord like all of us
have to, um, and believe that he, and because it's true,
he loves you and he's still for you, and then
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get the help that you need to get and keep
pressing forward.
We get, I mean, I don't think we've gotten a
call like this in a while. Mostly it's calls about,
is it OK to take medication for anxiety or things,
but they're, you know, in the same way that somebody
might call and say, you know, I just was diagnosed
with high blood pressure, but is taking medication a lack
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of faith? Should I be trusting in the Lord to
only for that?
Yeah, and I think that I think the problem is that,
you know, people for a long time have kind of,
you know, you almost disconnect your brain from from your
your brain is part of your body. Your brain is
a physical organ.
And it can have, you know, different things that happen
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within your brain and your nervous system and things like that. And, and,
you know, like Phil said, I mean, sure, there are
times when it is really a matter of, man, I
just need to trust the Lord. But when you have
like a chronic anxiety that just seems to never go away,
that's something.
Beyond that. And that's something that needs um medical attention, basically.
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Just like if you have high blood pressure, you need
to get some medication or if you have uh high
blood sugar, you need to get, you know, some insulin
or or, you know, we could use a bunch of
different examples, but it's the same thing.
Carrie, does this help you?
That was very helpful. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right, Carrie,
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we're gonna pray for you really quick, Lord, we pray
for Carrie.
And it's obvious, Lord, that this is just weighing on her.
So Jesus, we pray that you would lift this burden
of anxiety and we pray that you would direct her
to get the kind of help where she's gonna be
able to, um, you know, enjoy her her life with
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you and not be filled with worry and fear. So
we commit her to you and pray that you would
bless her in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Carrie, God bless you. Thanks for calling into Pastor's
Perspective today, and that is all the time we have
on today's episode. Look at all those calls we couldn't
get to. So sorry, we'll be here tomorrow between 3
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and 4, so call back then, por favor, and uh
thanks so much for listening today. Thanks for watching as well.
We're gonna archive today's episode on Facebook.
YouTube, Instagram, and no, not Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, and
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one of those platforms. For Pastor Brian Broderson and Pastor
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Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez. Thank you so much for
watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. And no, this is
not Brian Perez, and Brian Perez is apparently MIA. He
is somewhere. I don't, I don't know where he is,
but hopefully he's gonna
He's gonna bust through that door anytime. Now I can't.
Uh, I can't condemn him because I have been late
(00:37):
on a number of occasions myself, but, uh, but here
we are, and by the way, this is Pastor Brian
Broderson speaking to you.
And I actually used to do this part of the
program for several years. So I'm a little bit rusty,
but um I think I'm doing OK. Phil's looking a
bit nervous. No, no, no, I feel very good about
(00:59):
how you're doing. This is, this is going really well
so far. I'm all in with you. OK. And you know, it's,
it's helping me because I'm just looking right at Dr.
Phil and I know that if I need any emotional support,
I've got it coming.
Yeah, yeah, you're good, you're good to go. And man,
we have all those written up questions already. We already
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know what's coming and we're ready to go. Yeah, yeah, that, that, OK,
the only thing I don't have are questions. So we,
I have some, Brian. I have some from the email. Oh,
you do. OK. Oh yes, the email, right? I saw that,
but I didn't open it.
So I did. I have it open. If we get
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to the place where we need that, I am, I'm
ready for you. I have, I got you. OK, good. OK, uh, uh,
I'm looking, Phil, you've been in the studio, so you know,
I'm looking into the, um, I'm looking through the window
and I'm looking. Oh, Michael David has come to the rescue. Oh,
this is so good. Always, Michael David.
(02:04):
The hero, we might have, we might have pulled it off,
but I, I feel much better about Michael David, jumping
in the driver's seat. I'm just filling in until Brian
gets here. He is Brian? He is, uh, he is
on his way. He will be here very, very soon. So, uh, yes,
I don't know. In the many, many years that I've
done this program, I don't know that this has ever happened. I,
(02:26):
I've never seen Brian. I mean, you know, Brian.
Obviously there are times when you sit in for him
or something, but we, we always know that in advance. Um,
I didn't know that till 10 seconds before the show
started and Johnny said, you have to, you have to
start the program. Now Brian did say he texted you, yeah,
did you? Oh, did he? Yeah, well, you know, I
(02:47):
didn't look at that text apparently, so.
But we've got Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here today. Yes,
on today's program, uh, Brian, the pastor emeritus of Calvary
Chapel Costa Mesa and from Echoesof Mercy.com.
And, uh, Pastor Phil Metzger from Calvary Chapel, San Diego
are with us on the program. So you can call
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us at 888-564-6173 if you have a question for Pastor
Brian or Pastor Phil. Again, 888-564-6173. I just saw the text. OK, yes,
and yeah, the text did say it's the BB and
Phil show until I arrive. So, that's right. That's right.
(03:28):
So we, we feel much better with you. Thank you.
I feel better with you guys. It's always good being
with the good pastors, you know. So it's a blessing,
blessing for me as long as it lasts. I wanted
to start with those Facebook questions if that's OK, uh,
that you get. Phil, Phil read those so we can go.
You read which one, which one did you read? Well,
I didn't know. I didn't read it on, on air,
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but I have them pulled up in case I.
Needed to read a question. I was ready. I had
the question from, um, Janet and, uh, Irvine. Go ahead,
go ahead and read that then, Pastor. You want me
to read it? OK, go ahead. Alright, so Pastor Brian,
I'll go to you first. Hey, listen to me. I'm
all in. OK, here we go. Jannet, Janet says, hello,
I am a reborn Christian. I grew up non-devout Catholic.
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I left church altogether for years. Last December I started
going to a Calvary church.
My question is, should I be baptized at Calvary? I'm
not sure how to perceive baptism, thank you. So Brian,
over to you, what do you think about that? Well,
first of all, I just love, I love the
The simplicity with which she is communicating that I'm a
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reborn Christian that just sounded so wonderful, didn't it? um.
So the the Bible teaches that baptism. Now I was,
I was raised in Roman Catholicism. So I was baptized
as a child.
And yet, um, that didn't really.
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You know, it it it had no impact on me. Um,
it was just a ritual that I, I went through.
My parents, of course, were the ones who had me baptized. Um,
the Bible teaches that baptism
Is something that follows conversion rather than precedes it or
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causes conversion.
So when a person is converted, and what I mean
by that is like the term that that she used reborn, uh,
when a person is born again, when a person uh
comes to know Jesus by receiving him as their Lord, um,
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then baptism follows because baptism is a, it's like a
public declaration.
That you have made that commitment to Jesus. So whether
you do that, um, I mean, if you're, you should
obviously I think, uh, do it at the church that
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you're going to. So I would on a practical level,
I would just say speak to the pastor of the church,
speak to the leaders of the church, ask them about baptism. Uh,
we do a number of baptisms throughout the year.
Uh, we stagger them, uh, you know, in the winter
time we do them here at the church. In the summer, we,
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we go down to the beach and we will do
them down there. Um, but you can ask them about when, uh,
a baptism will occur. And of course, sometimes there's maybe
even a little class that is given in advance for
people to attend so they know exactly what's happening with baptism. But,
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but I would say you want to be baptized.
Um, not because you'll become any more saved because as
you have put your faith and trust in Jesus, you
are now a Christian, like you said, you're reborn and
now your baptism is going to be, um, really just
a step, uh, further into your discipleship, a step further
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into your life, uh, in Christ and like I said
as well, it's gonna be an opportunity for you to publicly.
Express your faith in Jesus. Phil, you got anything to add?
No, I think that was a great answer, and I,
I agree. I love the way she writes it. I love,
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you know, I love the idea of reborn Christian. I
love that. I'm thankful for that, and I think I
love that it sounds like it came up, maybe it
came up at her church, like as she's going to church,
it kind of the idea, and I love that. And
like you said, man, if you're, if you're at a church, Janet,
go get baptized at your church. It's a great, that's
a great idea. Absolutely. Well, Janet, thank you for contacting
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us from Irvine on our Facebook page.
Pastor's perspective. Again, if you want to talk to the pastors,
the number is 888-564-6173. Again, 888-564-6173. Michael David in for
Brian Perez until he gets here, and you can call
us at 888-564-6173. Another one, this one comes from an
anonymous person in Ontario.
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Uh, this person writes, me and my mom don't have
the greatest relationship, and I've been doing therapy to try
to heal my inner child wounds. And although I try
my best not to let things bother me, the tension
is still high. She was recently diagnosed with cancer, and
I'm the one who is going to be the primary caregiver.
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How can I try to have a one-sided forgiveness so
I can push forward and not hold any anger or
feel any type of way?
Also, can you please pray for our overall situation? Uh,
thank you very much and God bless you. We'll start
with Pastor Phil on this one.
Yeah, I also like the way this person, though no name, right, anonymous,
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I like the way that they wrote the, you know,
even things like, um, how do I live with a
one-sided forgiveness, I like that. I like that wording because
You know, um, in many ways there, there's a, there
is a point to be made that like forgiveness is
kind of one-sided, um, and I, and I would say
this to this person who's, you know, being very gracious
to take on the care of their mom as a
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caregiver as she goes through cancer treatment and so on.
So I think we, we oftentimes mistake the idea of
like forgiveness with the idea that I'm not gonna be
frustrated by that thing anymore. So like, we have this
kind of false idea, if I forgive, then I will
completely forget and never be bothered by that ever again.
And then what happens is, you know, for a lot
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of our lives, you know, like let's say I forgive
somebody that's no longer a part of my life and
then I I'm, I feel great.
But then I see them a year later, and it
all comes back to me, and then I say, oh
my gosh, I'm a terrible Christian because I must not
have really forgiven because I'm really frustrated seeing them right now.
And I think we're mistaking the idea of forgiveness with
the idea that like, that doesn't mean I'm just forgetting things.
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I am still the one in process. I'm being sanctified,
the Lord's working His grace in and through my life.
And forgiveness for us humans, we're not God, we don't
have the capacities that God has with like, he's the
most generous, magnanimous being of all. Um, I, I struggle,
and so I can forgive, but still know, gosh, my
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human nature is still wrestling through with that, and so I,
when I, when my human nature struggles, it gives me
another opportunity to go to the Lord and say, Lord,
help me once again, I'm struggling with this. Help me to,
help me again, help me to.
Help me to forgive. And so when you have a
mom who's not looking for that and she's dealing with her,
her own physical issues, forgiveness is somewhat one-sided. How do
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you do it? You have to be regularly at the,
at the feet of Jesus, asking God to help you,
to help you not just to forgive, but to just
be a Christian, and, you know, I, I don't think
as Christians we just bottle up our frustrations and just say, well,
that's just the way it's gotta be, but we want
to learn to be as gracious as we can.
And that God, you know, God is present even as
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we're kind of struggling through those things. So forgiveness and
forgetfulness are not the same things. Brian, did you want
to say anything?
Oh, that was, that was great. I, I just would,
I would, I would just kind of reiterate really what
Phil is saying and just, I, I would say too,
this is a, this is a discipleship moment for you.
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This is an opportunity for you to grow in God's grace.
It's gonna be a challenge, no doubt about it. And
but who knows? I mean, maybe this will be the
thing that will bring
Um, your mother, uh, to a place of experiencing God's
love and forgiveness herself, and, you know, there could be a, a,
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a beautiful thing that emerges from this. So, I, I
would just step into it and just say, Lord, you know,
this is a challenge for me and you know, I
just really need your help and um and it's probably
gonna be something that you do, you know, every day.
And, and like Phil said, it's, we're in a process
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and if you like, you know, like the illustration that
he gave, you know, you forgive somebody, but then you
don't see him and then you see him again and
all of a sudden all those emotions and things stir
up again. It's, it's at that moment that you just say, OK, Lord, uh, yeah, I,
I forgave that person. So, uh, help me through this,
you know, moment where my emotions have just sort of,
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you know, flared up.
And you know, remember um God's grace to you and
remember that you have forgiven them and then just, you know, step, step,
step into that but it it won't be without its challenges,
but God will give you what you need to to
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do it.
That's so good. And look, who is here. Hello, it's
Michael David. I'm still here. I don't know where Brian is.
Uh, uh, that was a pretty good Michael David. Not
as good as Johnny, but it was, no, no, no, no, Johnny,
Johnny's got it. But, OK, here he is. The 1st
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10 minutes was very entertaining. I was listening on the way. Well,
you know, I, I didn't get your text until, uh,
you know, I heard that 2 or 3 minutes into
the program, so.
That's all right. Yes, but so good to see you.
How did, how did we do? I mean, it was,
you know, I think you did well, and that would
have been if, if Mike had not come in, and,
and it would have been great to hear. Well, no,
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Phil did read one of the questions, and I thought
that was fun, and, yeah, so.
OK, I'm trying to catch up here. Let's see. We
read Janet's question and we replacing you is the point, Brian.
You are irreplaceable. No, that's not true. Yeah, yeah, we
felt like we're, you know, we had the training wheels on,
and now, um, we're back to, you know, we're back
to the bicycle, the two wheels.
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Well, good to be here. OK, so, um, OK, so
let's do one more question that was sent in online
and then we'll go to the phones 888-564-6173, the number
to call, and, uh, oh, I, I remember what this
one is. So it's kind of uh two people asking
a similar question kind of situation. So it's Matt in
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orange who writes.
This is a long convoluted question on how to answer
my adult children over support for Israel. They both seem
to trend towards anti-Israel rhetoric. This ties into scripture where
they see the church as Israel and the promises toward
Israel are now meant for the church and those who
have faith in Christ.
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This is also in the context of parts of Revelation
like the 144,000 and the gates of the new Jerusalem
having the tribes of Israel named, which they call allegories.
One of them is also, I think, a millennial, maybe
preterist in theology, which is another one I cannot answer
them over, but it seems tied up with the view
on Israel. I do not agree with their views. What
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say ye?
And then Robert and Duarte writes, Hi pastors, why do
many California pastors support Netanyahu, the IDF, and the Mossad?
These entities have not by accident, Robert says, killed or
murdered Christians, committed genocide, and often malign or hate Jesus.
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So what do you guys say to Matt and to Robert?
Wow, it's kind of like, um.
Yeah, two opposite sides of the, of the, I was
gonna say it'd be great if Matt and Robert called
in and we can put them on together and they
can just, and then we, no, none of us will
have to be here. We'll just listen to Matt and
Robert go back. OK, OK, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take
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the first one and then Phil can take the, the
second one,
OK, so, yes, there, there are a.
There are different views among Christians about eschatology. Eschatology is
in the time of the end, the end times. Um, there,
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there are views, um.
Like a millennialism or a millennialism. I think a millennialism
makes more sense because it's like.
A means uh no, like atheist, no God. A millennialism
means no millennium. And so there are Christians who hold
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to a millennial view and they're for a long, long
period in in the history of the church, that became
a sort of the default position, say from maybe the
4th century, um, all the way through to, gosh, you know,
maybe the um
Maybe even the 19th century, the the dominant view in
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the church was a millennialism. Um, preterism is, is similar
but slightly different preterism. The word preterist means, um, you know,
already paraphrase, it's kind of like it's already happened. And
so they look at passages like Matthew 24, for example.
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Uh, where, uh, I would think that Jesus is talking
about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, but he's
also projecting out to the future, um, destruction of Jerusalem
and his second coming. The preterist says, oh, all of
that happened already back in 70 AD. And then you
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have um
You know, of course, the pre-millennial view would say, um, there,
there is a future for the people of Israel. They
although presently are, um, not the people of God, as
Hosea would say, you are not my people and I
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will not be your God, the Lord says to Hosea.
But in the place that he said to them, you
are not my people, they will there be called the
children of the living God.
Uh, Israel is in a is in a time, it's a,
it's a, it's a very extended time from the time
of Jesus' first coming, uh, to today where they are
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out of the covenant relationship with God. But I think
the preponderance of scripture, um, just the simple, straightforward reading
like anyone would do.
Unless you got some theological influence, otherwise you would conclude
that there is a future for Israel. Probably the clearest
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passage on this is Romans 11. And if people take
the time to read Romans 11 and maybe read it,
you know, a number of times over to get what's
really being said there, um, it becomes clear that there
are a group of people who are not the church.
And they're not the Gentiles, but they're a group of
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people that are related to the patriarchs who are presently
not in a covenantal relationship with God but will be
again in the future.
So now, going back to the question, how do you
navigate this with your your children, your friends, you know,
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your your brothers and sisters and Jesus who hold a
different view. Um, I would say the first thing is
you don't want to have a war over it. You
want to recognize that, OK, there are different views and
just simply to to agree to disagree.
And I think there's also room to challenge and say, hey, well,
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what about this? And well, why do you think that?
And how do you, how do you really um interpret
this passage of scripture? That's all fair, fine and good,
but what we don't want to do is get into
a conflict where we become, you know, contentious, and then
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we separate and then we decide.
Well, you know, that person is a heretic. I don't
even know about the validity of their faith because they
hold a different view on this. Um, this is a
secondary matter. It's not a salvation issue. Um, I think
there is a right answer and a wrong answer, but
I think we have to be, um, wise and gracious
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and patient.
Um, when we discuss these things, and I have friends
who are in the opposite position that I am, uh,
when it comes to these ideas, and, you know, we've
had times where we've just had, um, civil conversations where
in the end nobody was persuaded to change their position
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and we hugged each other and said let's go follow
Jesus and serve him.
Phil Metzger.
Yeah, I think, I think this, this, this one, I'm
gonna read the second one again, Brian Perez, if that's OK,
just to remind everybody, a lot of practice today reading
the questions. Yeah, yeah, I'm feeling empowered today, so I'm
just gonna, you know, keep going. I think he's gunning
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for my job. If I'm late again, it's all fills.
I already said you're irreplaceable. No, no chance, no how, um,
but I was just gonna say too, like I think like.
Uh, just before I read it, we, I think someday
I wanna teach a class on like how to agreeably
disagree in conversation like.
You know, I mean, especially holidays, it always comes as like,
you know, hey, let's all get together with a bunch
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of people we don't see all year and what are
we gonna talk about, you know, and, and there's always
one person that wants to like light the fire, you know,
they just like light the match to like blow things up,
and we all need to learn how to like have
these conversations. So, let me, let me read this question, um,
this is the second one that was sent and um
it was how, why do many California pastorists support Netanyahu,
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the IDF, Mossad.
These entities have killed or murdered Christians, committed genocide, and
often malign or hate Jesus. And then this is the
part that I wanted to read. This is an important topic,
please do not tiptoe around this issue. So I love that,
he's like, hey, don't you try to be all, don't
you try to, you know, tiptoe around that. So, and
Phil's an instigator because I didn't even read that line,
but Phil wanted to go there, so good for you, Phil. See,
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that's why he should be the host. I mean, he's
just gonna be confrontational and everything. Just, let's just go
after it, OK. All right, so let's not tiptoe.
Let's, um, and this guy's obviously, you know, lives in California,
so he's listening to pastors here in California. So, uh,
but I'm sure this, no, start again. It is true
all over the country, there are pastors that are like,
you know, gonna talk about the IDF, Mossad, Netanyahu.
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And they're going to convolute the issue, and Pastor Brian
just talked about this. We need to separate like biblical
Israel and like the work of God that he's still
wanting to accomplish through the people of God, through the
Jewish people. We need to separate that from the present,
current political, national identity.
And so I'm not, I, where I am tiptoeing is
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I have nothing to say on like, you know, committing genocide,
doing these things, we're all reading the news so people
can just draw their conclusions. Here's the point.
Mossad and IDF and Netanyahu are not, that's not, the
Bible doesn't say they're the, the, the saviors, they're not
the heroes, they're, they're just there right now, and yet
I can't take away from the fact that the Bible
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still tells me that one day God is going to
do a work among the people of Israel.
And so, presently we see things and you may watch
the news and go, oh my gosh, I can't believe
Israel would do this. I thought they're God's people. They're
no more, listen, they're, they're not following God. They're, it's
a nation, it's a secular nation that's not following God, and,
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but one day God will continue to do something in
and through them.
And that day is not now. And so, no, I,
I don't think our pastors should be supporting Mossad and
IDF and Netanyahu. They're, they're just people, but we do
support the work of God that he will accomplish that
his word tells us he will accomplish. Any other thoughts,
Pastor Brian? Um, that's great. Very good, Phil. I, yeah,
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I would just say, you know, I think that 100%
what Phil just said, and, and, you know, we have to.
We do have to make a separate, we we have
to understand and see through the biblical lens and you know, again,
at the current moment in history, Israel is in a
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place where they are still disconnected from God and that
goes for the atheist as well as the most devout orthodox.
Rabbi, because they're trying to, in the case of the religious,
they're trying to come to God in a way that
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you can't get to him. You can't get to God
without going through the Messiah, and they have rejected the Messiah. So,
you know, we have to understand that. But I think
also we have to recognize
That providentially God has brought them, I believe, back into
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the land for 2000 years. This is unheard of in history,
never happened with any other people. For 2000 years they
were dispersed all around the world and they did not
lose their national identity. They retained it and they were
restored to the land.
That they were driven out of. And I think that
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to to fail to see the providence of God in that, I,
I just think you kind of just have to close
your eyes or you just have to sink yourself so
deep in a theological position that you're not really going
to even think about it. Um, I read a book
some years ago called
Um, the, the, the book is called Jerusalem, uh, a biography,
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and it's by Simon Sebag Montefiore, uh, who is not
a Christian, um, who is a secular Jew and a historian, and, um, and,
and of course I've taught the Bible and read the
scriptures and read many books on, on all of this,
but reading that book was just another, I, I walked
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away thinking,
The miracle of the existence of the people of Israel
in the land today. Humanly speaking, it is just like
you cannot.
You can't attribute it to any human effort. There is something, uh, obviously,
if you look at the details, there is something obviously
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divine about it. And so I think we have to
always keep that in mind. You know, Phil, I was
thinking how, um, you know, God's left Himself a witness
in the world in a variety of different ways. You know,
Paul tells us in Romans one that
Um, the, uh, visible things, the invisible things of God
are clearly seen and understood by the, by the visible things. And, um.
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And of course, there's the gospel of Jesus that goes
out into the world. But, but I think the ongoing
Existence of Israel as a people, it's almost like God
is just saying, hey, check this out. We're, I, I'm,
I'm still here. I'm still, you know, these people that
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I called from Abraham.
Um, you know, all these thousands of years ago, um,
they're still here. And I, I think that, I, I
don't know. I mean, to me, it's like you, you
just have to, like I said, you kind of have
to just close your eyes and plug your ears, uh,
to conclude that this is just, it's just something that just,
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you know, sort of happened in history, and we don't
know why, but it doesn't mean anything, uh, significantly in
relation to God. I, I think it does.
Hm. Yeah, that's a lot harder work to deny that
than it is to just accept it. Yeah, I think so.
And I mean, you know, we, we could spend a
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whole program just going over all kinds of different, um,
different things that the scriptures themselves say that, um, things
that have happened historically, things that are happening currently that
I think point us in a direction, um, but
That's for another program.
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Yes, indeed. So, uh, let's see, Robert and Matt, thank
you so much for sending in your questions online and
uh I hope that answers them. OK, it's just about
break time here on Pastor's perspective. So what we're gonna
do is take a break, cause that's what you do
at break time. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. I'm
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Great. That was, uh, that was good, yeah, very, very good. Um,
I'm not gonna sit here and say the Lord's gonna,
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we don't raise a million dollars by 4 o'clock. The
Lord's gonna call us home. No, we're not gonna do that.
Remember that guy? Yeah. Oh yeah, Pastor Chuck, he, you know,
because there, there were, wait, wait, wait, Pastor Chuck was
not the one who said that. No, no, no, make
that clear. He was the one. He was the one
who always would, you know.
Now you know God's not broke and, you know, because
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he would, he would inevitably see these, you know, what
we would.
Call back in those days the televangelists who were, uh,
you know, they're pleading for God basically that, uh, within
the hour, the whole thing was gonna go under unless, uh,
you know, you came to the rescue and that used
to just drive him out of his mind so he
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was very, uh.
Very vocal about the fact that God's not broke. So
God is not broke, but you know, sometimes we are,
and so we can, we can, uh, yeah, we can
give and we can, we can help out and I think, um,
you know, this is a great ministry like you said
that it's been 40 years in what we're doing and so, um, yeah, every, every,
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every little bit helps.
All right, uh, let's go to the phones now. Here
is Pete in San Pedro listening on FM 107.9 K wave.
What do you got for us today, Pete?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
OK, first of all, this is Pete from San Pedro. Yeah,
we know I called David corrected me that it was
supposed to be San Pedro. OK, I brought that up
at our men's study at Calvin Chapel San Pedro, and
I was corrected that that's how you know you're not.
You're not a local because you, and, and I got
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a history lesson on it that it wasn't formed by
Hispanics and it was formed by actually Italians and they
pointed out some of the historic sites that still exist and,
and that it is San Pedro so.
I just wanted to
say
Speaker 1 (34:07):
that. Well, you know what, it's always good to get
the correct information about stuff. I, I love that. That's great.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh yeah, no, thank you, yeah, I, I noticed Michael
David was there on at first and um, but Brian, Brian.
Um, Perez had mentioned it to me once before something
about it, and, um, and, and so yeah, I just,
I mentioned it at church, and they went in depth.
I mean, I'm not gonna waste time with all of
(34:38):
the details, but yeah that's how you know you're not
from here if you call it San Pedro,
Speaker 1 (34:43):
kind of like that Bible story when the, what was it, the,
the sibboleth shibboleth, what, what is that? Yes, yes, yeah,
how do you say.
Shibboleth or do you say siboleth and depending on how
you said it, it could mean life or death in
that situation.
We're not that legalistic here. You can say San Pedro,
(35:05):
San Pedro, whichever, and, uh, we'll still let you on
to ask your question. So what is your question, Pete?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
That, that had me, um, going, OK, well, it was
in Zechariah chapter 11.
And it's verse, um, I believe it starts with 12,
and it's talking about the potter's field where the 30
pieces of silver are, are cast. It says, um, the
Lord said unto me, cast it to the potter a
(35:32):
goodly price, and I was prized as of them, and
I took the 30 pieces of silver and cast it
to the potter in the house of the Lord. OK,
now that's referencing to Matthew 26.
Um, 14 through 16 and then also 27, 9, and
10 is where, you know, Judas Iscariot takes the 30
(35:56):
pieces of silver that he got for betraying the Lord
and throws them down on the temple floor and, and
then they
I, I always thought they decided at that point to
use it for a potter's seal because they couldn't use
it because it was blood money. They wouldn't, they wouldn't
take it back. But now is this just like.
(36:19):
Um, prophesying about that, or did they always have that
potter's field there, and that was just a coincidence that
it was 30 pieces of silver that was, um, used at,
at on this, uh, chapter, um, Zachary 11:13. The Lord
said unto me, cast it unto the potter a goodly
(36:40):
price that I was prized, and I took the 30
pieces of silver and cast them to the potter in
the house of the Lord.
So was there always that was always uh existed and
then it just
Speaker 1 (36:54):
yeah yeah so so with you know with prophecy sometimes
you have um
You have a near and a far fulfillment. So the
near fulfillment is what Zechariah does there. He takes it
and he, um, he casts the money, um, out, you know,
(37:15):
the 30 pieces of silver, but that is, uh, it's
also has a, a far fulfillment. The far fulfillment, of course,
would be what happened with Judas and Matthew. So Matthew
tells us.
Um, we wouldn't necessarily have known.
Um, had Matthew not recorded and told us that, that
(37:38):
it was a fulfillment of prophecy, but when you, you know,
when you find that, especially the New Testament writers, when
you find them referring back to something in the Old Testament, like,
for example, um, Isaiah 7:14 says, uh, the virgin will
conceive and bear a son, and you shall call his
(37:58):
name Emmanuel.
And before he's old enough to make a difference between, uh,
you know, a different type of food and so forth, um,
these two kings will be removed from their position. OK,
so that's a prophecy about something that's going to happen, um,
(38:21):
relatively near to the time of Isaiah.
But we know from Matthew that it was also a
prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus because Matthew tells
us that when Jesus was conceived of a virgin and born,
that it was in fulfillment of Isaiah the prophet's words, uh,
(38:41):
there in 7:14. So you have the same thing with
Zechariah that you have with Isaiah. You have a near
fulfillment and you have a far fulfillment. Phil Metzger.
That's great, yeah, and just uh, it's kind of another
thought to this too when you, when you look at Zechariah,
God tells Zechariah to take on the role of a
shepherd over Israel, and then there's this, you know, he's
(39:04):
being sold, you know, or they're selling, you know, 30
pieces of silver, and, you know, the Old Testament described
the idea of that much money being used for the
price of like a, a, a, a, a discarded slave,
like a very minimal kind of a
And, and so when Matthew quotes this or uses this, the, the,
the picture that we get is, is kind of similar
(39:24):
to Zachariah in that God's shepherd is being rejected, he's
being valued, you know, very low, but he came to
save people. So it's this beautiful, it really is a
beautiful picture, but it is like, like Pastor Brian said,
there's an immediate and then there's this kind of long
game that Matthew is describing and um,
You know, there's nothing ever haphazard about the scripture, even
if we're not totally clear on it. One day when
(39:46):
we're in heaven, all these threads will be just so
crystal clear to us. Yeah, Pete, thank you for calling
us from San Pedro, which is probably the very proper
way to say it. San Pedro. I thought it would
be San Pedro with the rolling of the R, San Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, Pedro.
One of those, hey, Petros, one, you know, yes, Petros,
(40:09):
it's all the same. It's Peter. Yeah, it's Pete. It's
Pete from Saint Pete.
Thanks for calling in today at 888-564-6173. I gotta tell
you guys something that I, I learned yesterday that I,
I don't know how many people will be as interested
in this as I am. OK, so you know that
we have the King James Bible, right?
(40:31):
Yes, so the King James Bible was commissioned by James
the 6th of Scotland, who was the 1st of England.
So Elizabeth the 1st was the queen for many years.
When Elizabeth died, uh, the throne went to her godson James.
(40:55):
Um,
And you know, he's he's, he's been one of those
monarchs that that's kind of been, uh, he had some quirks,
he had some peculiarities about him, so he's he's kind
of been dismissed in a lot of ways. And I,
I remember watching a documentary some time ago where it
was basically talking about
(41:16):
Um, you know, because we know a lot about like
Henry the 8th and we know a lot about Henry
the 5th, and we know a lot about Elizabeth, uh, Elizabeth,
and we know a lot about Victoria and so forth, but,
but he's a king that nobody pays that much attention to.
But they were talking about the fact that, you know, he,
he's probably more well known than any of the, of
(41:38):
the British monarchs because of the King James Bible.
But he's also
Um, which very few people know.
The Union Jack, which is the flag of Britain.
He invented that flag, and the Jack stood for Jacob,
(42:02):
which is the name James.
And it was under James that England and Scotland became
one nation instead of two. Interesting. So people who think
that King James was, oh well, you know, he was
that guy with the Bible, but who knows anything about him? Well,
just look at the British flag and then you'll go,
oh wait, he's the guy who.
(42:25):
Created that, yeah, yeah, and today King James, today King
James is a famous basketball player.
So he's gone up in stature with history, I guess. So, yes,
he's globally recognized today. I'll tell you that much. I
wonder if King James sewed that first flag. He designed it.
(42:47):
He designed it. He designed it. I don't know that
he sewed it, but he might have. You never know. Yes,
but the fascinating thing about him, he's, he was a
phenomenally brilliant scholar. When he was 8 years old, he
could speak like 5 different languages fluently. He could read
a translation.
Uh, he could read the English and translate it into
French and into Spanish and into Italian, all, you know,
(43:11):
right on the spot. I mean, it's like Phil Metzger
couldn't do that till he was 12 years old, so,
you know, yeah, boy, Phil Metzger wish he could do
that in English. That's incredible. Isn't that crazy? Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah,
I don't know why I shared that. I mean, it's just,
you know, a little trivia.
Fun facts from Brian. Yeah, fun facts from Pastor Brian's almanac.
(43:32):
That's what that was. All right, here is Joanna calling
in from Fullerton who has a public service announcement to
make about our radio station. What is that, Joanna?
Well, the a.m. station is static today for me, and
that's not cool because that's how I listen to it
on my way home not cool. So we are working
(43:54):
on that, but, uh, thankfully we have the Kwave app
and of course FM 107.9 K wave, so we appreciate
your phone call, Joanna.
And the whole. That's how I listen to you. That's
true too. You can call in. We'll put you on
hold and you can.
We have had people, hey, can I just, can you
just put me on hold so I can hear the
radio stations's like, uh, well, no, but anyway, we'll make
(44:17):
exceptions sometimes.
So what's your question for us, Joanna? Question for you.
Fun one. So I'm thinking of like, like traditionally my
family celebrates Three Kings Day, and I think it's January 6th,
and I'm just curious if there's any biblical backing behind that,
or is it just more tradition? Hmm, Phil.
(44:37):
It, it is tradition, um, it is tradition, it's not
bad tradition, it's not like we have to throw it
out because it's a bad idea, um, we call it like, uh,
you'll hear it in the Catholic Church called Epiphany, and
it's the celebration of the magi, the three kings, but
it's also like its original kind of intent was the
idea that like this is, this is God to the nations,
(45:00):
to the world.
And so, you know, it's not just his birth um
on December 25th, but the, the idea of the magi
arriving and that it was like to the Gentile world,
to the non-Jew, to the rest of the, of humanity. So,
it is extra-biblical, it is not bad, there's no, I don't,
I don't, not that I've ever.
Heard of anything that's bad, um, but it's not like a,
(45:23):
there's nothing you could say in the Bible. This proves it,
here it is, but it is on January 6th. It
is celebrated by a lot of major faith traditions, Catholic
of many Protestant churches, um, so there you go, epiphany.
I think, um, I think it's really, uh, isn't.
January 6th, kind of um Orthodox, the Orthodox Church, isn't
(45:44):
that Christmas celebration for them, isn't it January 6th?
I think so. It's it's January 6th, or yeah, probably,
it's probably January 6th. I, I think it might be.
What Google what tradition, uh, Joanna, is, what's, what's your
family background? Where would they, where would they pick up
that tradition?
(46:04):
Roman Catholic, Roman Catholic, OK, well, that's interesting. Yeah, I,
I've never.
Yeah, I, I didn't know that it's January 7th, Brian
is Orthodox Christmas. So yeah, yeah, Epiphany is a separate,
it's a separate holiday that a lot of like we,
we saw this a lot in Europe, um, very common, but, um, yeah, yeah,
(46:24):
and Hungary is a, is basically a Roman Catholic country
with just a small section of it in Deretson being
kind of the reform center going back to the Reformation period, yeah.
Does that help you, Joanna?
Yeah, it's always nice to hear you guys' perspective. So
thank you. All right, thanks for calling in today to
(46:46):
Pastor's perspective at 888-564-6173. You know, we, um, we, we
talk about this once in a while, Brian, and it's,
you know, as, uh, was reported to us just now,
our AM station is having some trouble today and
You know, it's, it's interesting because you don't necessarily think and,
(47:07):
and you don't wanna see like the devil's hand and everything,
you know, that can be weird. But, you know, there
are times when you just think, you know, how much
of this is just the, the enemy just messing with, uh,
our efforts to, to get God's word out to people.
Because sometimes there seems to be no rhyme or reason.
(47:28):
Why this is not working. So I mean, I'm sure
that the technicians have figured out why it's not working,
but
Let's get that back on the air ASAP. We're working
on it. All right, 888-564-6173. Here is Carrie in Santa Ana.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Carrie.
(47:50):
Hi. Hi. You're Carrie. You're Carrie. We're K wave. I'm
the 2nd person that does that today. OK, so basically I,
I just have 3 sentences. I have put it all
together cause I was having a hard time putting it together. Um,
what advice can you give Christians who are constantly dealing
with anxiety? Um, speaking personally, I struggle with my faith
(48:14):
because I get, I get these attacks out of nowhere.
And I mean, I read the Bible.
And I've joined study groups and I mean this past service,
uh Sunday service, I was reminded by the pastor to pray,
but like.
Mm. I'm still dealing with this constant battle.
Uh, Carrie, have you ever, um, been on any medication
(48:37):
for anxiety?
No, and I've been, I've been speaking to others about it,
and I've seems like it's frowned upon, and I don't
know where, where do I toggle that line in between, um.
Like the, the prescription versus OK, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, there,
(48:58):
you know, there's a bunch of different opinions about a
lot of things and when it comes to, you know,
things like say depression or anxiety or
Uh, those kinds of things, there's, there's a variety of
different opinions about, you know, what is at the root
of those things and how are we to deal with them.
(49:19):
And then of course, as Christians, what are we to do? Um,
aren't we just supposed to pray and trust God? And
if I'm actually gonna take some medication, is that like
a lack of faith? And I, that's what I'm thinking, right, OK. And,
and listen.
You know, I, I believe, and I think there's plenty
(49:40):
of research to, to back this up, that a lot
of um anxiety, panic, these kinds of things, these are,
these are rooted in a person sometimes in their just
in their constitution, and sometimes they are related to, they
can be, you know, chemically related, they can be related
(50:01):
to hormones, they can be related to.
Uh, different things that go on in our bodies. In
other words, I, I don't think that like a person
who has chronic anxiety, for example, is, it's because they
have a chronic lack of faith or they're in some
kind of, you know, chronic state of sin. I think
many times it is, it's a condition within them that
(50:24):
they are just vulnerable to.
And thankfully today there are medications that can help people, uh.
You know, handle these kinds of things, uh, better. Um,
Phil and I have a really close friend who did
(50:44):
ministry for many, many years and then just kind of
out of nowhere began to have severe anxiety, so much so.
That you know he was being taken to the hospital
because he was thinking he was having a heart attack
and this was during the when he was preaching at
church and things like that. So, you know, a person
who is a a a solid Christian loves Jesus, serving
(51:08):
the Lord, but yet this this thing with anxiety hits
him and you know it lasts for quite a season
and he was able.
Uh, through medication and of course through prayer and biblical
meditation and all that, you know, he, he was able
ultimately to
To get the upper hand on it. And so I
(51:31):
think if, if, if you've been prayed for, if you've prayed,
if you're, if you're reading your Bible, you're asking the Lord,
and nothing seems to be changing, you know, maybe this
is the point where you look for some professional help
and consider that um there might be a medication that
could be helpful to you.
(51:53):
Yeah, it's so good, that Carrie, I hope you got
to hear all that and really, um, yeah, really, really
consider that, you know, it's, it's interesting because like, you know,
there's verses in the Bible that speak directly like using
the word anxious or anxiety, and quite often it is
in the context of like, you know, be anxious for nothing,
but in everything, in prayer and supplication, and so
You know, I think, and I think Brian did a
(52:15):
good job of explaining that we, we want to separate
the idea that like, there's, listen, all of us feel anxiety,
like on a, on a surface kind of a, you know,
a worry level, right? And, and, and there's a point
where we just have to be reminded, I need to
bring this to the Lord.
Right? There's that kind of thing. But then there's what
you're going through and what we're we're talking about. There's
like a, it's a, like, today we have the blessing
(52:37):
of being able to have, it's like, it's a diagnosed issue, and, and,
and on that level, you shouldn't feel condemned, you shouldn't
feel like, gosh, you know, I'm failing because I prayed
and it's not working. That's, that's an unfair kind of
a uh an assessment.
Um, keep trusting the Lord. Listen, as that anxiety comes up,
please do everything that Brian was mentioning. I think it's
(52:58):
a great idea. Go get some outside help. Let somebody
get you in the right direction. But as you're feeling that,
don't feel, don't believe the lie that the devil would
say that you're less than because of that. Bring it
to the Lord. Trust the Lord like all of us
have to, um, and believe that he, and because it's true,
he loves you and he's still for you, and then
(53:20):
get the help that you need to get and keep
pressing forward.
We get, I mean, I don't think we've gotten a
call like this in a while. Mostly it's calls about,
is it OK to take medication for anxiety or things,
but they're, you know, in the same way that somebody
might call and say, you know, I just was diagnosed
with high blood pressure, but is taking medication a lack
(53:41):
of faith? Should I be trusting in the Lord to
only for that?
Yeah, and I think that I think the problem is that,
you know, people for a long time have kind of,
you know, you almost disconnect your brain from from your
your brain is part of your body. Your brain is
a physical organ.
And it can have, you know, different things that happen
(54:01):
within your brain and your nervous system and things like that. And, and,
you know, like Phil said, I mean, sure, there are
times when it is really a matter of, man, I
just need to trust the Lord. But when you have
like a chronic anxiety that just seems to never go away,
that's something.
Beyond that. And that's something that needs um medical attention, basically.
(54:22):
Just like if you have high blood pressure, you need
to get some medication or if you have uh high
blood sugar, you need to get, you know, some insulin
or or, you know, we could use a bunch of
different examples, but it's the same thing.
Carrie, does this help you?
That was very helpful. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right, Carrie,
(54:43):
we're gonna pray for you really quick, Lord, we pray
for Carrie.
And it's obvious, Lord, that this is just weighing on her.
So Jesus, we pray that you would lift this burden
of anxiety and we pray that you would direct her
to get the kind of help where she's gonna be
able to, um, you know, enjoy her her life with
(55:04):
you and not be filled with worry and fear. So
we commit her to you and pray that you would
bless her in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Carrie, God bless you. Thanks for calling into Pastor's
Perspective today, and that is all the time we have
on today's episode. Look at all those calls we couldn't
get to. So sorry, we'll be here tomorrow between 3
(55:26):
and 4, so call back then, por favor, and uh
thanks so much for listening today. Thanks for watching as well.
We're gonna archive today's episode on Facebook.
YouTube, Instagram, and no, not Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, and
Apple Podcasts. That's it. So, uh if you missed any
part or just want to hear it again, go to
one of those platforms. For Pastor Brian Broderson and Pastor
(55:47):
Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez. Thank you so much for
watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.
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