December 4, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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when it comes to answering the questions. So 888-564-6173 is
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our number. And answering your questions today, we've got Phil Metzger,
the pastor of Calvary San Diego. How are you doing, Phil?
I'm doing so good. I'm glad to see you. Yeah, likewise.
And here in the studio with me is Pastor Brian
Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com. How are you, Brian, and how's
Cheryl doing?
Well, Brian, I'm doing fine and thankfully, Cheryl is doing
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much better today. I wanted to say a big thank
you to everyone who prayed for her. She had a
pretty intense bout of vertigo yesterday. She's battled with an
ear thing for a few years.
And had a similar episode a number of years ago now,
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maybe 3 or 4 years ago where she had to
be taken, you know, to the hospital in an ambulance
and so forth. So, so yeah, yesterday was really crazy.
We were on a long, long walk and like halfway
through our walk, it hit her in in such a
way that it just seemed like
How could this even be happening? So we literally walked
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5 miles where I, she had to hold on to
me every step of the way because she couldn't navigate,
you know, and, uh, and we got home and she
just said, you know, please call, call the paramedics. I can't,
you know, I can't go sit in a waiting room
for 5 hours. And yeah, it was brutal. And so, yeah,
so we spent about 6 hours in the ER yesterday
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and um.
You know, thankfully she's fine, other, other than the vertigo, uh,
you know, she did an MRI and everything's good. Her
brain is good, and today she says she's about 85%
better today. So the crazy thing about these things is
people who have battled with them would know they, they're
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just sort of unpredictable, you know, it, um, she has,
like I said, kind of a chronic ear thing that's
that's going on. Um, but the
A vertigo spell like that was just pretty, pretty rough. So,
but yes, thank, thanks everyone for their prayers. We had
so many uh kind, supportive comments on social media and
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all of that. So we're very appreciative of that. Um,
also yesterday when I was with her in the ER
I got a text from some friends in Western Australia.
And I was told that another, um, a couple that
are friends of mine and Cheryl's, they were in a,
in an automobile accident that almost killed them. um, they,
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they both survived they're really, really, you know, in bad shape.
They're not in a life threatening um place right now, but,
you know, really, really, really broken up and, um, their
names are Chris and Donna Fisher.
So I just want to say a quick prayer for
them and just throw their names out so others could
keep them in prayer. So Father, we pray for Chris, Donna,
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and Lord, thank you that um their lives were spared, um,
and Lord, uh, that you kept them. Lord, we think
of their family and and their church and and all
of that. So we give you thanks and Lord, would
you give wisdom to the doctors and would you bring
Uh, healing to their bodies. Lord, we know how sometimes
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these kinds of things can just turn into things that,
you know, you didn't think.
They were gonna turn into and so we we pray
that none of that would happen. We pray that you
would um rather Lord just heal them um entirely and
completely so commit them to you, Chris and Donna, in Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen. Chris and Donna Fisher, keep them in prayer as
well as um
Cheryl, Cheryl Broderson. Yes, yeah, so Chris and Donna live
in a place called Albany in Western Australia, and Chris
Pastors a Coverchapel there, and Cheryl and I have been
friends with them for a long time. We've gone to
actually visit them and, um, yeah, so.
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Yep, there's Chris right there and Steve, uh, uh, we're
looking at the website. Steve, his brother is the one
who reached out to me yesterday. So, ah, OK, yeah,
Calvary Chapel, Albany.com/U. If you guys are ever visiting Australia
and wanna
Go visit a church on a Sunday. All right, let's, uh,
answer some questions and, uh, we'll get right to the phones.
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Maybe we'll get to some of the online questions a
little bit later, but right now, let's start with Bob
and Santa Ana listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hey, Bob,
what's your question for pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger today?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, hi. Long time listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What took you so long to call in,
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Bob?
I know, I know. I think I've called a couple
of times and won some stuff over the years because
it's been a long time that I've been a fan
of Gate Wave. Awesome. Everybody there. So thank you for
all
you do.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thanks, Bob.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So yeah, so, uh, sorry to hear about Cheryl. We'll
pray for her and hope she continues to do better. Uh,
that must have been awful. Yeah, Quick question, um.
Have 3 kids. They're older. They're having kids now. All
of them are saved and walking with the Lord, active
at their churches, and despite their parents, they all chose
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to follow Jesus. So we're just blessed out of our socks.
We do have a, uh, one local family member, um,
a sister-in-law who is.
Uh, gay and loves to recruit for her team and
really doesn't like anything about Christianity and the Bible and
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poo poos it and we've obviously witnessed to her, you know,
hundreds of times and just not interested and makes up
her own thing and
She's the only one outside of our nuclear family that
would be invited to a a holiday get-together now, and
it's just uncomfortable and.
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You know, I'm, I'm just, do we have to keep
inviting her?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Bob, here's a quick question for you. When you said
that she's recruiting for her side, are you, are you
talking about she just wants to get people to embrace
the agenda or she's like actually looking for people who
might be open to this lifestyle themselves?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, both, so I haven't I haven't witnessed it with
my kids. We kept her away when my kids were
younger and malleable. We didn't want that, but now I've
got grandkids and it's just to a point where she's heard,
she's heard the gospel. She grew up with Christian parents. She's.
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Gone 180 degrees in the wrong direction and.
Doesn't like any of it and and that's all we're
about we just love it. We're listening to Christian music
we wanna talk about, you know, praise the Lord for
all of the things he's done in all of our
lives and, and it's all about Jesus, especially during Christmas
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and I just don't see.
Personally, I've got a little bit too hard of a heart,
I guess maybe about it, of making sure that she's
always included. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Phil Metzger, what would you say to Bob?
Well, OK, first, Bob, because others are gonna wanna hear this, dude,
you're totally winning in life, it's pretty awesome. That's, that's
so awesome, and you're rich, dude, you got grandkids and
kids walking with the Lord, you got, dude, yes, yes, yes, yay, yay, party, party, party, OK. Um,
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and then you've got this like, you've got this sister-in-law, OK, so,
and you know, she's proselytizing for her team, kind of
like what we do.
So, you know, there's that, um, you know, I think
when it comes down to it, dude, you, you guys
have to make a decision and just do it, like
there's not like a, and this is a pastor perspective
rather than like a biblical one, cause there's not a
Bible verse that says you have to do this. Obviously
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we want this person to know Christ. Your, your personally, your,
I would say your best bet towards that, maybe, alright, yes,
we want you here.
You don't go after us, we won't go after you,
let's just be family, like, cause we're all crazy and
wild anyways, even as Christians, we're all a bunch of weirdos.
So let's just agree to disagree on this day, we
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want you around, we think it's important, this is what
we care about, we understand what you care about, let's
all agree to disagree today, and just be together as
a family. And listen, I think if that's not gonna
be like acceptable.
You know, because this is what families are doing all
over the world, right? Even if we're all Christians, we're
having to agree, let's not talk about that, avoid this,
don't bring this up to this person, all that stuff,
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that's normal now. So I think if you can't get
agreement on that, then I, I, I, I, you know,
I mean just do what feels right, but I don't
know that you're hard-hearted, I think y'all, I mean, I
just think it's awesome to hear about how your family's
walking with the Lord. That's pretty exciting. You're a very
rich man. Pastor Brian. Yeah, Bob, I'm, I'm curious about, um.
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So does she?
Normally come to these events? Was she there last Christmas?
Does she expect an invitation? Um, does she wanna be there? I'm,
I'm just curious about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yes.
Yes to all. She would, she would probably, yeah, she's
expecting to be there and
My philosophy with our kids when we were raising them
is when they were young and pliable we didn't want
that interaction because she can come come across as being
really fun. She tries really hard that way to make
sure that she's liked and cool, and I kept her
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away until the kids were older and understood and then,
you know, at that point my kids were making their
own decisions.
Anyway, and they're gonna be exposed to it anyway, but
I just wanted them to have a little maturity before
that happened.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, is she, um, like, like when she comes over,
is she argumentative? Is she?
Dismissive of, I mean, it's Christmas. So, you know, which
we're basically celebrating Jesus. Is she like, I, you know,
I hate this part or, you know, noticeably kind of
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negative about it, or does she just kind of keep
that opinion to herself?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Uh, I think in the past she's just made, you know, facial.
Expressions but not verbally said, you know, bunk um.
You know, just recently, at, at a, in a conversation
that I had with her one on one, she, she
did do that, but, um, I think if that was
the case then there wouldn't be an, you know, I
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wouldn't even be calling, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 (12:16):
yeah, yeah.
Yeah, now what do you just sorry, sorry, like you
should be in the studio and I should be at
your house, uh, because I'm asking you all the questions.
Yeah, it's not pastor's perspective. It's pastor's questions today. I
like it, um, because I, I'm just curious, like what,
so how, how do your kids feel about her? Like,
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do they, is, is she like an aunt or something
and they're like, oh yeah, she's cool. That's fine. Or
is she like, oh gosh, does she have to come
again this year? You know, what's, what's the vibe?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I would, I would say the
Speaker 1 (12:51):
latter, the latter, yeah.
Yeah. Well, you know, like, like Phil said, I think
number one, yeah, I mean, we're we're under no obligation
to invite people into our homes that really don't, you know,
wanna wanna be there or be there for the for
the specific reason, you know, that we're gathering. You're gathering.
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Not just have a family day, but you're gathering around
Jesus and and who he is and what he's done.
And I think, I think if there's somebody that is just,
you know, Jesus, Jesus did say, I mean, we talk
about God's love and and of course, of course, but
Jesus did say, uh, things like don't cast your pearls
before swine and don't give what is holy to dogs.
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And so Jesus did recognize himself that there were people.
That, um, there's a point where you just realize, you know, they're,
they're not interested in this. They're, they have maybe even
a completely different agenda. So, so all that to say, I,
I don't think we have to think like, oh, man,
if I don't invite her, then I'm not being a
good Christian. Um, I think it's something that
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You, you know, you've probably done this, but I would
say even having a conversation like, hey, you know what
we're doing, this is why we're gathering, uh, I, we,
we don't want a negative vibe. We don't want a
combative environment. We, we're here to, we're family, we're here
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to love each other and Jesus is, you know, the
center of what we're doing.
And if you, you know, if you're not into that.
You know, you, you probably should find somewhere else to go.
What do you think, Pop?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, excellent. I.
I unfortunately, I know there's not something you can point
to in the Bible that'll tell me exactly what to do.
And yeah, obviously I just need to pray and lean
on the Holy Spirit, His guidance and, and the conversation
with my wife, but super good input. I really appreciate
it and, uh, God bless you all. Great.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You too, man. Thanks, Bob. Good to hear from you. Yep,
888-564-6173 is the number to call in if you want
to talk to Brian and Phil. You know, let's, let's
just talk about this for a second too, because I
do think that.
Um
You know, there's there's two things that often happen. Um,
and I think because we've seen more of one than
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the other, we've tried to kind of, um, shift the
balance to the grace and love side because we've a
lot of times seen people being condemning or dismissive or
not recognizing that, hey, Jesus loves this person too, you know, and,
and I, I think a lot of Christians have become
conscious of the fact that
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We probably haven't treated people, you know, the, the way
Jesus would have us to do at times. Uh, but
then I think too, you know, we have to be
careful that we don't swing the pendulum all the way
over to the other side and we like with young
children or something, we put them in a vulnerable position, um,
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and and again, I'm just going back to the words
of Jesus. Jesus, Jesus himself.
Who is the embodiment of love and compassion and mercy. Uh,
Jesus recognized that there were certain people that, you know, you,
you would just draw the line in certain places and
so I, I think that we have to also
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Recognize that that is a Christian thing to do at times.
And it's not, it's, you know, somebody might say it's
not loving, but
That Jesus doesn't say it's not loving. He actually tells
us that that's something that you do occasionally. So, yeah,
you gotta, you got, I mean, it's, it's a hard thing, right?
And you know if your heart's just hard and you're
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just like, I don't, I don't care, don't love, don't
want it, you know, that's a problem. But when, when
our hearts right before the Lord, I mean, I think of,
you know, this guy Bob's like, I really want to
do what's right, you know, and, and so like, could
it be right to just draw a line this year
and say, hey, you know, we're gonna do something different? Yes,
it absolutely could be 100% and, and, you know, again, we,
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this is.
We're here, we're here to celebrate something that's precious to us.
We don't want.
Uh, a naysayer in the crowd, you know, that's not
what we're doing here. You know, you could, you could
go do that somewhere else. But here we're celebrating our
savior and we wanna do that.
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In the, you know, the, the blessedness of our mutual
faith in Jesus. Yep, agreed. Bob, thank you for your
phone call today on Pastor's perspective. And now let's talk
to Brandon and San Marcos, who's listening on FM 107.9
K wave. Hello, Brandon.
(17:47):
Hi, hello, what's your question?
Um, so recently my
My wife, ah, I recently, a month ago, I caught
her with another man at night and
I just, I, I'm very unsure about what to do
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in this situation because I, I talked to her that
I was willing to get back with her and, you know,
work it out, at least for the time being for the,
for the child that we have together and she didn't
wanna try to do anything about it. I feel like
Uh, she felt guilt or shame or something. I don't
know what it would be.
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But
Um, she, she, she, she wants to separate or divorce.
And I asked God for a sign, like an obvious sign,
whether she, she is still going to be my wife
or not, and
Um
I got, I don't know if I should share it,
but she, she, I saw a very obvious sign from
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God cause
Uh, that's just the way I learned just to ask
God for signs and all that, um, but
I don't know how to deal with this, um, I, I,
and it's, it's also that, and then whenever I open
the Bible. I, it's funny enough that I open it
to
Uh, pages where
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It says that you should reconcile with your wife, don't
divorce your wife, and I opened it up, I believe,
to Malachi chapter 2 or 3, where it says that
you shouldn't divorce your wife and be very careful, I
believe it says.
Um,
I mean, I, I, I just don't know what to do. Uh,
I just, I've got, um, advice and I just need
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more help. It's just, it's just hard to, to see
my wife do that and this, this for it to happen.
So how much advice have you gotten and what, what
does the advice tend to lean towards?
Um, for me, for my parents, my advice, their advice is,
you know, it is what it is, if God's gonna
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give you your, if, if God wants you to go
back with her, or if, if he's gonna reunite you too,
then just wait in time. But, right, I mean, at
least when it happened, like recently when it happened.
I was so desperate to try to fix it because
Um, it's just, I know it's gonna be hard for
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me to not do that or not to uh be
with her at least.
Um,
What would I say, like,
In the flesh, not be with her.
Because
And then
They said that, and then also my, I asked my pastors.
Uh, for advice and they didn't really help. They kind
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of said that she didn't really do no wrong cause
I didn't actually catch her doing anything in the physical
act with the other guy. But I thought you said
you did.
Yes, they, well, they were coming out of a park and, OK, yeah,
and then I, uh, she denied it when I, uh,
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confronted her about it as soon as we're kind of separated.
Got it, got it. And, and then things get like
it's just, and I would, I'd wanna believe it that she,
she's like she's telling me she didn't do anything that
she feels like she can talk to him. Yeah, all right, Phil,
we'll start with you. What would you suggest for Brandon?
Oh, there's a lot, Brandon, you said a lot of,
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and I'm really sorry, man, for what's going on. Um, yeah,
you know, it's a bit of a contradiction what you're saying, because,
you know, you're talking about really like, you know, looking
at signs to help guide you, and then you also said,
then I'm opening the Bible and the verses that I'm
reading are about like, you know, trying to make things.
Work in your marriage, and that maybe divorce isn't the,
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the right way, and it's interesting to me that you
didn't see those things as a sign, so I find
that interesting that you were looking for signs, but you
didn't exactly see that as a sign, and but I'm
in the same situation that others are gonna be in,
that is, I can't tell you what you should do,
but I can tell you what the Bible says on
kind of multiple levels, right? Um, especially when it's ambiguous
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exactly what was going on or what's happened.
So I will say this, of course, the Bible is
like pretty clear on the idea that God hates divorce.
I'm not saying that to make you feel like you
don't have any choices, um, that you're a prisoner, you know, in,
in this marriage, but I, I do want you to
just hear that, and for anybody else listening that God
is for marriage. Now, there's, sometimes marriages fall apart, it happens, and,
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and if that's what's gonna happen, that's what's gonna happen,
but
Um, you know, maybe you guys, you know, maybe if
she's open to reconciliation before you jump to over, over, over,
you guys need to get some counseling, some real help, like, really,
the both of you sit down and get to hash
this out, very specific, very clear, not over a radio,
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but really clear with the person.
Excuse me, in front of you, I think that would
be a great next step before you feel like you
have to commit to either totally staying in the marriage
or totally getting out, I think you can just put
pause on all of it and say, we need to
get some counseling. Yeah, Brian.
Yeah, I, I think that's, that's absolutely great counsel from
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Phil and, and I do.
I do think that before you do anything, do that
and then um.
You know, obviously, we're talking to you and we're hearing
your perspective, you know.
Like Phil said, sitting in a room with a counselor
where her perspective can be given and, and all all
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of that. Yeah. Um, but, but it's hard. Obviously, she's
in the park with a guy. She says she didn't
do anything, she, but she can talk to him. OK,
maybe nothing happened, but still that it is in it's
in and of itself. That's problematic. She's a married woman
in a park.
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With with a guy she's not married to. So, so
you guys have to kind of figure out, um, just
what what is what it is to be married and
and what that entails as far as commitment goes and
things like that. So, uh, a good counselor is gonna
be able to help you. So, I agree with Phil.
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That's where you start.
All right, Brandon, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective,
and if everyone listening and watching can keep Brandon in
prayers so that he can navigate what his next step
will be. 888-564-6173 is our number. Really quick, I wanna
talk to Janay and Placentia. What's your take on what
you just heard, Janay?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Uh, well, I actually about, uh, I wanna say 2
years ago now, my husband and I went through something
very similar. Um, I actually went out and had an
affair that lasted about 6 weeks. Um, we have two
young children who are now 4 and 2 1/2. Um,
and so they were younger at the time, uh, and
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my husband through that entire time, continued to be on
his knees in prayer for me, and
Never gave up on me. He stayed and he prayed
and he encouraged me and he loved me as her
as he was. Um, I let my guard down. I
allowed the enemy to come in and attack me, and
I went and did what I did, and I will
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say that now we have been married for 5 years
and we are happily married for the first time since
we got married. It was not an easy marriage. It
was not a happy, we had a lot of hardships
and um.
He stood by and he prayed. He prayed and he
prayed and he prayed, and he surrounded himself, himself with
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God-fearing men, men he trusted in our church. Um, I
sat down with my pastor who I've known for 15
years since I was a child.
And told him everything, and he didn't condemn me. Him
and his wife loved me through the entire thing and said,
we're not mad at you, we're sad for you, and
we want to ask you these questions. And at the
end of the day, I realized that, of course, I
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love my husband. I married him for a reason. We
have beautiful children, and so through that, we just
Continued seeking the Lord, and he stayed with me through it.
He stayed and he prayed, and he loved me. And
that's all that I needed was his prayers and his
love and seeing him seeking the Lord is what got
me out of this.
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Whatever it was that I fell into, to see that
the Lord was my only answer and that having my
God-fearing man speaking out for the Lord was what was
going to save us in our marriage, and it did,
it did. Did
Speaker 1 (26:41):
you,
Speaker 2 (26:41):
we've been a testament now.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Jenny, did you get any, did you get a counseling,
pastoral counseling, or professional counseling?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
No, you know, we actually didn't. Um, the only thing
that we did was we sat down with our pastors
and
Uh, or our pastor, and him and I together sought
out the Lord, and, um, I was in my own therapy.
I've been in my own therapy for about 3 years now, um,
and he did go in with me, I think twice
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after everything had happened, but we didn't. Um, for us,
it wasn't something that we chose to do, um, but
I don't discredit it. I think that for us, we
just really needed the Lord over anything.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Amen. Yeah, great.
It's Wonderful story. Yep, great testimony. Thanks for calling in
Janae to Pastor's perspective. Let's go to Robert in Menefee.
Hey Robert, what's your question for us today? Well, it's,
it's actually a conflict. Uh, when I listen to pastors,
multiple pastors, uh, preaching on Isaiah and in scripture with
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Jesus either writing, and a lot of pastors say on
the foal of an ass.
And other ones say on the fall of a donkey,
and being an old farmer, those are two very different animals,
and I'd like to know which one really translates out
of scripture correctly.
(28:11):
Donkey.
Donkey, yeah, OK, a donkey is a, I mean, ass
is a word, it's an English word that, you know,
was just used to describe.
Um,
That animal, I mean, I think.
Every translation except the King James Version is gonna say donkey. Um,
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only the King James Version is gonna say us because
it's an old English version. Yeah, so, OK, Phil, any thoughts?
No, I was just as curious too. I was like,
I didn't know that was a different animal. So, well,
I mean, you know, a mule is a different animal
than a donkey. Uh, I don't know. Um, I mean, again,
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I think it's, you know, the term ass is a,
it's an English word that is, I think it has
more to do with your cultural context than the actual, um.
Breed of an animal, right, that would make sense, yeah, that,
that makes sense. I just keep thinking of Shrek when
I hear donkey. That's where my brain goes, so it's
not a scriptural biblical thing at all, but that I, I'm,
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I'm learning today. Thank you. That was great. Robert, thanks
for your phone call today on pastor's perspective. Keep in
mind that King James is also the one that talks
about a unicorn, right? That's right.
Yes, Unicorn King James. Yes. All right, Robert, thanks for
your phone call. We're gonna take a break and we'll
be back with more of your questions. If you're on
hold right now, stay on hold. We'll get to as
many of you as we can before the end of
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the hour here on Pastor's Perspective. And if you'd like
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we'll talk to you in just a little bit.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
My name is Brian Perez. I'm in the studio with
Pastor Brian Broderson of Echoesof Mercy.com. Pastor Brian also teaches
a Bible study on Sunday evenings at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.
Starts at 6:30. You can find out all about it
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at back to Basradio.com/live. You're teaching this Sunday, yes? Yeah,
I am. We're gonna do two more Sunday nights. So
we finished the book of Acts, you know, we're going
to the New Testament. We finished the book of Acts
a week ago and we're gonna do a couple of
Uh, Advent, Christmassy kind of messages on the 7th and
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the 14th, and then we will be on a break
for the next month. And then we will resume in, uh, January, uh,
2nd week of January and pick up in our study
through the New Testament. What is next? Well, Romans, of course,
follows Acts, so probably gonna go to Romans.
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Kicked around a different idea, but I think probably Romans,
but I, I will definitely know. I would hope so
before we get there. Yes, Phil Metzger's here too. He's
the pastor of Calvary San Diego. What time are your
services on Sundays, Phil?
One service 10:00 a.m. That's easy.
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Easy. Yeah, that's Phil. You did multiple services for years.
You did, what did you do, like 3 or 4
services on the weekend in Budapest.
Yeah, we did 4 on, you know, Sunday and then
2 on Wednesday night. So I am really enjoying 1
service on Sunday morning. You can't even believe it. Yeah,
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I was gonna say that sounds like you would.
You would definitely, uh, enjoy that. We've talked about like
probably next year needing to start, maybe do a second,
and I'm just like fighting the very idea. Uh, it's
just so, it's so great being all together in a room,
you know, something special about that. Just record one service
and play it on the second service so that you
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don't have to, that you can go home early. No,
I'm joking, that's not the best way to do it.
All right, uh, I wanted to take another call, but, uh,
Pastor Brian was doing some research, and I wasn't sure
if he found his research to share with the world. Well, yeah, I,
you know, I, I have done some research here. Oh no,
are we still on donkeys and mules? Please tell me
we are. Yes, I knew it. Yes, yes, yes. So
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let's see.
Um,
We're looking up ass here and this there's many interesting
definitions for the noun, uh, hardy, gregarious, um, but then, um,
African or Asian mammals, smaller than a horse, having long ears.
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Um,
And uh the ancestor of a donkey.
So yeah, I don't know this this is helping that much.
I was gonna say.
Hey, it's Webster's dictionary, so you know, no, you can
trust that better than AI, I think. OK, so here's
the synonyms borough.
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Donkey, I love that.
And a small donkey is a burrito, uh, jackass. That's
another synonyms, so.
Yeah, I've met those before. So, so there you have it.
OK, very cool. And now we know everything we wanted
to know about. Now you know, friends. Yes, OK, Anthony
and Lake Elsinore listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hello.
(34:06):
Anthony
Anthony, did you press mute on your phone?
I did, and now I'm here. OK, what's your question
for us, man?
Uh, well, first I had a curiosity for some definitions
and then sort of a question I guess based on
those definitions. We've been doing definitions all day today, so,
you know, yeah, we just did a great one.
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So, the first one would be, and then they interact
with each other. So the first one would be Zionism,
and then the second would be dispensationalism, and then the
actual question would be how they interact with each other
on a theological basis for Calvary Chapel, but then also
for anybody who really kind of subscribes to that theology.
(34:50):
OK. What's say you, Phil?
Yeah, um, I can start with Zionism for sure, uh,
because where I lived in Eastern Europe in the country
of Hungary is the home of the birthplace of the
kind of known as the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl.
Theodore Herzl, and, um, Zionism is a Jewish movement.
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That was all about, like we're we're talking like in
the late 1800s into the early 1900s, was to see
the people of the Jewish people of Jewish descent to
return back to their homeland in what we now call Israel,
but was, you know, at the time it was, it
was Palestine.
Um, the British territory, and Theodore Herzl was a journalist
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who was promoting the idea around the world that Jews
should be going home, uh, to create a homeland. And
when they finally did get a homeland, it was actually
a debate whether they would name the land Israel or Zion.
So that was actually something that was
Debated. It was also debated whether the nation would use
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Yiddish as their national language or Hebrew, and thankfully they
went with Hebrew rather than Yiddish, but, um, so Zionism
is a political, national movement to bring the Jews back
to Israel. That's the
Now, I don't think it's used that way today. I
want to clarify that. I don't think it's quite considered
in the same way today. But that is the kind
of traditional understanding of Zionism. And, and the another thing
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about it, Phil, that that was a great explanation. And yes,
being there and having seen, you know, Hertzl's home and
all of the great synagogue and all of that. Um.
But the other thing about it too is that's important
is to recognize that it was a completely secular movement.
So it was not attached to God. They did not, uh,
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Herzl and many of the founders of Zionism were atheists,
but they, um, they did believe that there was a
historic connection to the land and, and they, you know,
wanted to go back and have a, a land where
they could actually, you know, just live in peace and
not be persecuted like they had been all over Europe
and
So forth. So, yeah.
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So what do you think of that, Anthony?
Um, so you said that's sort of like how it
used to be defined. Could you describe how it's being
used today versus back then?
Well, this might get us into kind of where you're,
where you're going. So today, you know, Zionism is seen
as like a, almost like an apartheid, and I'm not
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saying that's true, I'm saying it's how it's often defined today,
as if the, the Jewish people wanting to keep their
land or to take, you know, to keep their land
to the Jewish nation is some form of apartheid, which
I would vehemently argue against that, while also having incredible
problems with the way things are going.
(37:45):
In both the West Bank and Gaza, I, I struggle
with what's happening, but be that as it may, the
term Zionism is often today seen as some kind of
a negative, like where Israel is, is, is suppressing, um,
or pressing their, their, um, their will upon people who
don't want that in their own land, and so,
(38:05):
Um, and again I would say that's not Zionism, you
can call that something else, but Zionism should be based
on its historical understanding of a political, secular movement towards
the Jews going back to their homeland.
Very good, Anthony. Thank you for your phone call today
on Pastor's Perspective. And now here is Jason who's watching
us on Instagram. Hey there, Jason. Let's wave. Uh, San Diego, hello,
(38:28):
how can we help you? Hello friends, how are you today?
Doing well, thanks.
So my question is about.
Reconciling my faith with the rest of the world.
Because I was in the navy and I traveled the world,
I saw all kinds of people, all kinds of faiths,
and for a very long time, I kind of viewed God.
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As the top of a mountain, and there were multiple
roads to get to him.
But since I've been going to Calvary at San Diego
with Phil, by the way, shout out Phil.
Um, the last few years, I have.
Kind of changed my view because, you know, Jesus said
that he is the one and only way to the Father.
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But how do I reconcile that with my heart for
the rest of the world?
All right, Phil.
Hey Jason, this is great. I, I, people always threaten
to call while I'm on the air from the church,
so now they did it, this is great. Um, alright Jason, I, I, I,
I don't think you need to reconcile your heart for
the world with your, with your faith. I've, I, I'm,
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and as I say it to all of our people
down here, thanks for your service to this country. I
think as a person, and I know Brian would say
the same, Broderson, we've, we've traveled a lot of the
world as well.
And I don't think you need to reconcile that. I
think we need to recognize that God has so loved
the world. Listen, the, the worst thing that God could
have done, he didn't do, thankfully, but what the worst
thing he could have done is just say, oh, you know,
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it's subjective how you get to me, it's totally subjective,
just figure it out, work it out in your own way,
in your own religion, in your own philosophy, in your
own thinking.
Instead, God became one of us, and so, and then
for the whole world, he says, I am the way.
I don't have to subjectively wonder whether I'm in the Philippines,
or I'm in Somalia, or I'm in Hungary or I'm
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in England. We don't have to ever subjectively wonder how
can a person be born again, have their sins forgiven,
have the hope of eternal life.
And know that God is going to be with them forever.
There is no subjectivity to that. Jesus said, I am
the way. So I hold a heart for the world
by preaching the gospel, by going out and telling people
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the good news of Jesus, by recognizing that there's, there's
still great opportunity for that. So Jason, I don't think
you need to recognize.
Reconcile this heart for the world, because let me tell
you where your heart for the world comes from ultimately,
it comes from God. He's the one that gives us love,
a true love, and so, um, to me, Jesus being
the only way is such hope for the world. It
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doesn't make me have less hope, it gives me more hope. Brian,
thank you. Yeah, I, that was a great answer. I
don't really know that I would add anything to it.
All right, what do you think, Jason?
I think that's fantastic. I think I just like, I
I've read those words so many times, but like actually
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just hearing it.
Mix it
Feel
A little more real and I don't need to, like,
Understand that there's different ways because there isn't, there is
only one. Thank you for that.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I think of um.
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You know, you, you like when you read the prophets, I,
I always marvel. I'm, I'm in Isaiah again right now. So,
you know, where the Lord, you know, it's going out
of his way to remind us that
Um, he is the, the God who created heaven and earth.
He is the God who formed man out of the
dust of the earth and breathed breath into his lungs, and, um,
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you know, God is always making sure everybody understands just
exactly who he is. He is the only God, the
only true God. He's the one.
Everything that is exists because he willed it into existence.
He spoke it into existence. And that's, that's the reality.
And Phil, like you said, I mean, I think you
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would agree, we both, we, we feel very privileged to
have had the kinds of opportunities that we've had to
travel into many different places in the world and to
have beautiful deep relationships with people from, you know, different
countries and cultures and nationalities.
And but the beauty that we get to see is
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just how the reality of Jesus in every, in every culture.
And you know, it doesn't all of those things are
in some ways they become irrelevant when it comes to
Christ and
Uh, just knowing and experiencing him and seeing that so
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beautifully wrought in the lives of people whose lifestyles and
backgrounds and cultures and everything is so much different than
ours is, but there's that commonality in Jesus where you're
just like, oh yeah, well this is, this is where
it all comes together right here.
(43:32):
Amen, yeah, and I just wanted to say, Jason, come
and say hi after church. Come and say hi so
I can.
Give you a big hug. Good to, good to talk
to you.
Cool, Jason, thanks for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
And now here's Deborah in Paris, California, listening on FM
107.9 K wave. Hey there, Deborah.
hello. Hello. What's your question for us today? My question was,
(43:57):
in Genesis, Moses talks about that every seed has its
own kind and every beast of the field after its
own kind. And then over here in Isaiah 13:22, it
talks about uh a creature named S A T Y
R S and I found that out to be Greek mythology, uh, uh.
Uh, and, um, not actually a literal human and an
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animal mixed together. Is it possible, after Moses said, every
beast has its own kind, that there does exist an animal,
that's half human and half, half human and half animal?
Yes or no? What is that, uh, scripture reference again? Isaiah.
Isaiah 13:22 talks about a creature named S A T
(44:39):
Y R S being a setter, being half human and
half animal. And, and, and, and in Genesis, Moses talks
about that's not possible. God said every beast has his
own kind.
So if this is said that the center is half
human and half animal, is that just a Greek mythology,
or is that true? Is Moses wrong? Is Moses right? Well, I,
I wonder, I, I'm really curious about the translation you're reading.
(45:01):
Do you know what translation it is that you're reading?
What is that? James. King James? OK, cause I'm looking
at Isaiah 13:22. Hyenas will howl in the fortresses and
jackals and the luxurious places. Uh yeah, so, I don't know. OK,
there's another scripture that says it's in um Isaiah of
30 34:11, maybe it's located there. 34:11 talks about this
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S A T Y R S.
Yeah, well, I think what you're dealing with here, um,
I think you're dealing with, uh, the passage of time
and the meaning of words changing. So we have, uh,
you know, because the, the, the King James Version was
originally brought into existence in 1611 and the last, um.
(45:50):
Update, if you will, was 1865, I think so. Uh,
you know, so language changes, meanings of words change, uh,
change over time. And the simple answer is that no,
there are no half human, half animal creatures that are
talked about in the Bible. So if that particular word
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is used at the time.
It would not have meant that.
Yes, sir.
Does that help?
Yeah, that helps me. Um, can I ask you just
one more question concerning that? Has there ever been anything that,
that's different from what Moses said? Every beast has its
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own kind? What I'm asking, has there ever existed a
half animal and a half human that can breed and
continue making half animals and half humans? No, no, however
you want to answer it.
The, the simple answer is N O. And now you
K N O W. No. So what, why, why, why
the fascination with this, Deborah? I'm wondering.
(46:56):
Um, because I had a pastor tell me that if
I see this name sin in the Bible, that it
means that there is existing half animal, half human, and
I took her over to Moses, Genesis where it says
every beast has its own kind, every seed has its
own kind. I said,
So that's a law that God put in order and
it will not change. So she said over here, where
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she's seen, it says it's assessor that's a human, half
human and half, uh, animal, that it does exist. If
it's in the Bible, it means it exists. And I,
I made a difference with her that it was just
not me saying that. And it was a Greek mythology
and it meant actually some kind of wild beast, very
wild beast, but it does not mean half human, half animal.
That can't be possible. I think I found where, what
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we're looking at here, I think, though.
The answer is still no. Nothing's changed, nothing's changed with
the answer, but I think where this is coming from,
I do see it, it's uh, or I see where
it's coming from, it's the phrase like wild goats.
That comes up in the book of Isaiah and Isaiah
13 and again in Isaiah 34, and it's from a Hebrew,
and it's from a couple different Hebrew words, serum, and
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then the word that I was hearing her spell satyr,
S A T Y R, and sometimes that was referred
to as like a, like a mythology, like a goat
demon or something like that, but in the context.
of the Bible, it is very clear it's referring to
a goat, like an actual goat. There are no half human,
half animals that that does not exist. Yeah, and it
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says here a wild goat. It's a wild goat. Yeah,
so as compared to goats, domesticated goat. Yeah, so it's
a reference to a wild goat.
Yeah, and then I found, I found something too that it's, uh,
could be there's something called a centaur, which is one
of those half man, half, yeah, so maybe that's what
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people are thinking that the centers where you can find centaurs.
In Chronicles of Narnia in the Chronicles of Narnia that's right.
Oh yes, yes, because I just read the, uh, first
chapter of Lion Witch and the Wardrobe, and Mr. Tumnus
is coming on the scene, and he is a centaur.
(49:08):
Great book. All right, Deborah, thanks for calling in today
to Pastor's Perspective. And now let's go to what? Another Deborah. Yes,
another Deborah. We are the number one radio program amongst
women named Deborah. This is awesome. Deborah from Lake Forest,
thank you for calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Hello. Hi, uh, enjoy your program so much. Thank you. Um,
so I have kind of a Christian relationship kind of thing. Uh, basically,
I've been a Christian for 40 years and, uh,
I'm also clinically depressed and bipolar, but I'm on medication
(49:50):
and that controls me. Um, I had a Christian friend
for 10 years, a woman, and then my meds stopped working.
This happens every so often, and I have to get
onto a different med, but it takes about a month.
And so I'm not my usual self then. And
(50:12):
This particular girlfriend kind of just dumped me when I
was going through this problem, like she couldn't handle it.
So then I developed another relationship with another Christian girlfriend.
And
She was fine with when I went through things, but
(50:33):
then she started dating a non-Christian man and
All of a sudden she just didn't have time for
our relationship anymore, so she kind of like dumped me.
So I'm not in a big hurry to find another
Christian girlfriend, um, and I have several worldly girlfriends and
(50:55):
all of them have hung in there with me. So
I just
I, I don't understand it. It should be the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Mm.
Well, we're really sorry to hear that, Deborah. Um, Phil,
what would you say to Deborah? Sure, yeah, it's, it's, um,
it's pretty extraordinary, Deborah, your, your kind of self-awareness and
how the, like the cycle that happens and when the
medication stops working, there's this time frame, that's really great,
good for you, and you know, um, I can't really,
(51:24):
I mean, listen, I don't know your friends, I don't
know who they were, um, I, I wouldn't generalize, I,
I'd be afraid, I'd be careful.
To generalize like, well, the Christian ones dumped me and
the non-Christians didn't, therefore all Christians are this way and
non-Christians are that way. I would just say, man, that stinks,
and that was really uncool of your friends to do that,
that those specific ones. I wouldn't let that become the
(51:45):
reason to avoid ever having Christian friends again. I think
it'd be important to keep, keep doing that.
You know, um, it's important that we just, we, we,
we guard like having friendships, and I would even say
maybe something you've learned out of this is, is let
them know about your journey and what you're gonna go through, and,
and I'm, I'm just, we're just sorry, like Brian, you
already said it, Perez, that's, that's terrible, it shouldn't happen
(52:08):
like that, but sometimes it does. Don't give up having
good friends.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, I, I agree, you know, um, yeah.
It, it's, that's a bummer. It's like I, it's like
I got dumped out of a relationship or
something,
Speaker 1 (52:25):
yeah, right, Brian? Why do you think sometimes the church,
people in church, and again we're not generalizing, we're not
saying everybody, but it just, it, it does feel that
way sometimes like the people that we should be the
closest with, we're not.
Well, you know, the people in church are humans.
(52:47):
And sinners and, uh, you know, some are sinners who
have advanced in their discipleship and are, you know, progressively
becoming more Jesus-like and some that process is in some
(53:07):
cases it's stalled, uh, in some cases it's very, very slow,
and because that is the case, people
Um, even though they are Christians, will, you know, oftentimes
behave in ways that are not Christianly, and, um, that is, uh,
it doesn't mean they're not Christians, it just means that their,
(53:29):
their discipleship is not where Jesus intends it to be, so.
Uh, yeah, I mean, this, you know, we, we've got
to work on that, us who are in church leadership,
pastors and so forth, helping people. But, you know, like
my son says, uh, everybody at some point has to
take their discipleship into their own hands. I can't, I can't,
you know, other people in the end can't do this
(53:51):
for me. I have got to do it for myself
with with myself and Jesus. Others can assist and be helpful.
But, but I've got to do it. And I think
that you just, I, I think you have a lot
of people in church today who just don't take their
discipleship seriously. Yeah. Do you think it also might have
to do with the, the stigma of mental health awareness
and everything too? Yeah, or just the fact that, you know,
(54:14):
this is like a burden. I don't want to, I
don't want to bear it, you know, even though the
scripture says bear one another's burdens, you're like, you know,
that's too much for me. I don't want to do that. It,
it bums me out. I don't want to spend that time.
I don't want to.
be around a depressed person. I don't, you know, people just,
they don't want to do it. And so they decide, they,
they opt out and um.
(54:36):
And it, you know, it is, I mean, it's, it's,
it's really antithetical to what the picture of the church
is to be according to scripture, but even the scriptures
recognize that.
A lot of times Christians are falling short of what
God desires them to be. That's why we have uh
(54:57):
entire letters in the New Testament that are telling us, um,
you know, to think more highly of others than we
do of ourselves, to have the mind that is in Christ, Jesus, um,
you know, these kinds of things, and, and we have
to apply those things. And if we don't, then we
end up kind of just behaving like.
People who don't even know Jesus and sometimes people who
(55:20):
don't know Jesus are actually behaving better like we heard there. Yeah,
so let this be a lesson to all of us
listening to, uh, Deborah's story to, uh, to be a helper,
to be the person that you need to be, the
person that Jesus wants you to be, and, um, yeah,
thanks so much for calling in today, Deborah. We're praying
for you that
You will find good Christian friends. And that's all the
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time we have on today's episode of Pastor's Perspective. We'll
do it again tomorrow between 3 and 4, so if
you couldn't get through today, try again tomorrow. For Pastor
Brian Broderson and Pastor Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez. Thanks
for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.
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our number. And answering your questions today, we've got Phil Metzger,
the pastor of Calvary San Diego. How are you doing, Phil?
I'm doing so good. I'm glad to see you. Yeah, likewise.
And here in the studio with me is Pastor Brian
Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com. How are you, Brian, and how's
Cheryl doing?
Well, Brian, I'm doing fine and thankfully, Cheryl is doing
(01:43):
much better today. I wanted to say a big thank
you to everyone who prayed for her. She had a
pretty intense bout of vertigo yesterday. She's battled with an
ear thing for a few years.
And had a similar episode a number of years ago now,
(02:04):
maybe 3 or 4 years ago where she had to
be taken, you know, to the hospital in an ambulance
and so forth. So, so yeah, yesterday was really crazy.
We were on a long, long walk and like halfway
through our walk, it hit her in in such a
way that it just seemed like
How could this even be happening? So we literally walked
(02:26):
5 miles where I, she had to hold on to
me every step of the way because she couldn't navigate,
you know, and, uh, and we got home and she
just said, you know, please call, call the paramedics. I can't,
you know, I can't go sit in a waiting room
for 5 hours. And yeah, it was brutal. And so, yeah,
so we spent about 6 hours in the ER yesterday
(02:48):
and um.
You know, thankfully she's fine, other, other than the vertigo, uh,
you know, she did an MRI and everything's good. Her
brain is good, and today she says she's about 85%
better today. So the crazy thing about these things is
people who have battled with them would know they, they're
(03:10):
just sort of unpredictable, you know, it, um, she has,
like I said, kind of a chronic ear thing that's
that's going on. Um, but the
A vertigo spell like that was just pretty, pretty rough. So,
but yes, thank, thanks everyone for their prayers. We had
so many uh kind, supportive comments on social media and
(03:34):
all of that. So we're very appreciative of that. Um,
also yesterday when I was with her in the ER
I got a text from some friends in Western Australia.
And I was told that another, um, a couple that
are friends of mine and Cheryl's, they were in a,
in an automobile accident that almost killed them. um, they,
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they both survived they're really, really, you know, in bad shape.
They're not in a life threatening um place right now, but,
you know, really, really, really broken up and, um, their
names are Chris and Donna Fisher.
So I just want to say a quick prayer for
them and just throw their names out so others could
keep them in prayer. So Father, we pray for Chris, Donna,
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and Lord, thank you that um their lives were spared, um,
and Lord, uh, that you kept them. Lord, we think
of their family and and their church and and all
of that. So we give you thanks and Lord, would
you give wisdom to the doctors and would you bring
Uh, healing to their bodies. Lord, we know how sometimes
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these kinds of things can just turn into things that,
you know, you didn't think.
They were gonna turn into and so we we pray
that none of that would happen. We pray that you
would um rather Lord just heal them um entirely and
completely so commit them to you, Chris and Donna, in Jesus' name, amen.
(05:04):
Amen. Chris and Donna Fisher, keep them in prayer as
well as um
Cheryl, Cheryl Broderson. Yes, yeah, so Chris and Donna live
in a place called Albany in Western Australia, and Chris
Pastors a Coverchapel there, and Cheryl and I have been
friends with them for a long time. We've gone to
actually visit them and, um, yeah, so.
(05:27):
Yep, there's Chris right there and Steve, uh, uh, we're
looking at the website. Steve, his brother is the one
who reached out to me yesterday. So, ah, OK, yeah,
Calvary Chapel, Albany.com/U. If you guys are ever visiting Australia
and wanna
Go visit a church on a Sunday. All right, let's, uh,
answer some questions and, uh, we'll get right to the phones.
(05:49):
Maybe we'll get to some of the online questions a
little bit later, but right now, let's start with Bob
and Santa Ana listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hey, Bob,
what's your question for pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger today?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, hi. Long time listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What took you so long to call in,
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Bob?
I know, I know. I think I've called a couple
of times and won some stuff over the years because
it's been a long time that I've been a fan
of Gate Wave. Awesome. Everybody there. So thank you for
all
you do.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thanks, Bob.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So yeah, so, uh, sorry to hear about Cheryl. We'll
pray for her and hope she continues to do better. Uh,
that must have been awful. Yeah, Quick question, um.
Have 3 kids. They're older. They're having kids now. All
of them are saved and walking with the Lord, active
at their churches, and despite their parents, they all chose
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to follow Jesus. So we're just blessed out of our socks.
We do have a, uh, one local family member, um,
a sister-in-law who is.
Uh, gay and loves to recruit for her team and
really doesn't like anything about Christianity and the Bible and
(07:07):
poo poos it and we've obviously witnessed to her, you know,
hundreds of times and just not interested and makes up
her own thing and
She's the only one outside of our nuclear family that
would be invited to a a holiday get-together now, and
it's just uncomfortable and.
(07:30):
You know, I'm, I'm just, do we have to keep
inviting her?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Bob, here's a quick question for you. When you said
that she's recruiting for her side, are you, are you
talking about she just wants to get people to embrace
the agenda or she's like actually looking for people who
might be open to this lifestyle themselves?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, both, so I haven't I haven't witnessed it with
my kids. We kept her away when my kids were
younger and malleable. We didn't want that, but now I've
got grandkids and it's just to a point where she's heard,
she's heard the gospel. She grew up with Christian parents. She's.
(08:13):
Gone 180 degrees in the wrong direction and.
Doesn't like any of it and and that's all we're
about we just love it. We're listening to Christian music
we wanna talk about, you know, praise the Lord for
all of the things he's done in all of our
lives and, and it's all about Jesus, especially during Christmas
(08:35):
and I just don't see.
Personally, I've got a little bit too hard of a heart,
I guess maybe about it, of making sure that she's
always included. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Phil Metzger, what would you say to Bob?
Well, OK, first, Bob, because others are gonna wanna hear this, dude,
you're totally winning in life, it's pretty awesome. That's, that's
so awesome, and you're rich, dude, you got grandkids and
kids walking with the Lord, you got, dude, yes, yes, yes, yay, yay, party, party, party, OK. Um,
(09:05):
and then you've got this like, you've got this sister-in-law, OK, so,
and you know, she's proselytizing for her team, kind of
like what we do.
So, you know, there's that, um, you know, I think
when it comes down to it, dude, you, you guys
have to make a decision and just do it, like
there's not like a, and this is a pastor perspective
rather than like a biblical one, cause there's not a
Bible verse that says you have to do this. Obviously
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we want this person to know Christ. Your, your personally, your,
I would say your best bet towards that, maybe, alright, yes,
we want you here.
You don't go after us, we won't go after you,
let's just be family, like, cause we're all crazy and
wild anyways, even as Christians, we're all a bunch of weirdos.
So let's just agree to disagree on this day, we
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want you around, we think it's important, this is what
we care about, we understand what you care about, let's
all agree to disagree today, and just be together as
a family. And listen, I think if that's not gonna
be like acceptable.
You know, because this is what families are doing all
over the world, right? Even if we're all Christians, we're
having to agree, let's not talk about that, avoid this,
don't bring this up to this person, all that stuff,
(10:13):
that's normal now. So I think if you can't get
agreement on that, then I, I, I, I, you know,
I mean just do what feels right, but I don't
know that you're hard-hearted, I think y'all, I mean, I
just think it's awesome to hear about how your family's
walking with the Lord. That's pretty exciting. You're a very
rich man. Pastor Brian. Yeah, Bob, I'm, I'm curious about, um.
(10:34):
So does she?
Normally come to these events? Was she there last Christmas?
Does she expect an invitation? Um, does she wanna be there? I'm,
I'm just curious about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yes.
Yes to all. She would, she would probably, yeah, she's
expecting to be there and
My philosophy with our kids when we were raising them
is when they were young and pliable we didn't want
that interaction because she can come come across as being
really fun. She tries really hard that way to make
sure that she's liked and cool, and I kept her
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away until the kids were older and understood and then,
you know, at that point my kids were making their
own decisions.
Anyway, and they're gonna be exposed to it anyway, but
I just wanted them to have a little maturity before
that happened.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, is she, um, like, like when she comes over,
is she argumentative? Is she?
Dismissive of, I mean, it's Christmas. So, you know, which
we're basically celebrating Jesus. Is she like, I, you know,
I hate this part or, you know, noticeably kind of
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negative about it, or does she just kind of keep
that opinion to herself?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Uh, I think in the past she's just made, you know, facial.
Expressions but not verbally said, you know, bunk um.
You know, just recently, at, at a, in a conversation
that I had with her one on one, she, she
did do that, but, um, I think if that was
the case then there wouldn't be an, you know, I
(12:15):
wouldn't even be calling, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 (12:16):
yeah, yeah.
Yeah, now what do you just sorry, sorry, like you
should be in the studio and I should be at
your house, uh, because I'm asking you all the questions.
Yeah, it's not pastor's perspective. It's pastor's questions today. I
like it, um, because I, I'm just curious, like what,
so how, how do your kids feel about her? Like,
(12:39):
do they, is, is she like an aunt or something
and they're like, oh yeah, she's cool. That's fine. Or
is she like, oh gosh, does she have to come
again this year? You know, what's, what's the vibe?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I would, I would say the
Speaker 1 (12:51):
latter, the latter, yeah.
Yeah. Well, you know, like, like Phil said, I think
number one, yeah, I mean, we're we're under no obligation
to invite people into our homes that really don't, you know,
wanna wanna be there or be there for the for
the specific reason, you know, that we're gathering. You're gathering.
(13:13):
Not just have a family day, but you're gathering around
Jesus and and who he is and what he's done.
And I think, I think if there's somebody that is just,
you know, Jesus, Jesus did say, I mean, we talk
about God's love and and of course, of course, but
Jesus did say, uh, things like don't cast your pearls
before swine and don't give what is holy to dogs.
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And so Jesus did recognize himself that there were people.
That, um, there's a point where you just realize, you know, they're,
they're not interested in this. They're, they have maybe even
a completely different agenda. So, so all that to say, I,
I don't think we have to think like, oh, man,
if I don't invite her, then I'm not being a
good Christian. Um, I think it's something that
(13:59):
You, you know, you've probably done this, but I would
say even having a conversation like, hey, you know what
we're doing, this is why we're gathering, uh, I, we,
we don't want a negative vibe. We don't want a
combative environment. We, we're here to, we're family, we're here
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to love each other and Jesus is, you know, the
center of what we're doing.
And if you, you know, if you're not into that.
You know, you, you probably should find somewhere else to go.
What do you think, Pop?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, excellent. I.
I unfortunately, I know there's not something you can point
to in the Bible that'll tell me exactly what to do.
And yeah, obviously I just need to pray and lean
on the Holy Spirit, His guidance and, and the conversation
with my wife, but super good input. I really appreciate
it and, uh, God bless you all. Great.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You too, man. Thanks, Bob. Good to hear from you. Yep,
888-564-6173 is the number to call in if you want
to talk to Brian and Phil. You know, let's, let's
just talk about this for a second too, because I
do think that.
Um
You know, there's there's two things that often happen. Um,
and I think because we've seen more of one than
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the other, we've tried to kind of, um, shift the
balance to the grace and love side because we've a
lot of times seen people being condemning or dismissive or
not recognizing that, hey, Jesus loves this person too, you know, and,
and I, I think a lot of Christians have become
conscious of the fact that
(15:41):
We probably haven't treated people, you know, the, the way
Jesus would have us to do at times. Uh, but
then I think too, you know, we have to be
careful that we don't swing the pendulum all the way
over to the other side and we like with young
children or something, we put them in a vulnerable position, um,
(16:02):
and and again, I'm just going back to the words
of Jesus. Jesus, Jesus himself.
Who is the embodiment of love and compassion and mercy. Uh,
Jesus recognized that there were certain people that, you know, you,
you would just draw the line in certain places and
so I, I think that we have to also
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Recognize that that is a Christian thing to do at times.
And it's not, it's, you know, somebody might say it's
not loving, but
That Jesus doesn't say it's not loving. He actually tells
us that that's something that you do occasionally. So, yeah,
you gotta, you got, I mean, it's, it's a hard thing, right?
And you know if your heart's just hard and you're
(16:43):
just like, I don't, I don't care, don't love, don't
want it, you know, that's a problem. But when, when
our hearts right before the Lord, I mean, I think of,
you know, this guy Bob's like, I really want to
do what's right, you know, and, and so like, could
it be right to just draw a line this year
and say, hey, you know, we're gonna do something different? Yes,
it absolutely could be 100% and, and, you know, again, we,
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this is.
We're here, we're here to celebrate something that's precious to us.
We don't want.
Uh, a naysayer in the crowd, you know, that's not
what we're doing here. You know, you could, you could
go do that somewhere else. But here we're celebrating our
savior and we wanna do that.
(17:27):
In the, you know, the, the blessedness of our mutual
faith in Jesus. Yep, agreed. Bob, thank you for your
phone call today on Pastor's perspective. And now let's talk
to Brandon and San Marcos, who's listening on FM 107.9
K wave. Hello, Brandon.
(17:47):
Hi, hello, what's your question?
Um, so recently my
My wife, ah, I recently, a month ago, I caught
her with another man at night and
I just, I, I'm very unsure about what to do
(18:07):
in this situation because I, I talked to her that
I was willing to get back with her and, you know,
work it out, at least for the time being for the,
for the child that we have together and she didn't
wanna try to do anything about it. I feel like
Uh, she felt guilt or shame or something. I don't
know what it would be.
(18:28):
But
Um, she, she, she, she wants to separate or divorce.
And I asked God for a sign, like an obvious sign,
whether she, she is still going to be my wife
or not, and
Um
I got, I don't know if I should share it,
but she, she, I saw a very obvious sign from
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God cause
Uh, that's just the way I learned just to ask
God for signs and all that, um, but
I don't know how to deal with this, um, I, I,
and it's, it's also that, and then whenever I open
the Bible. I, it's funny enough that I open it
to
Uh, pages where
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It says that you should reconcile with your wife, don't
divorce your wife, and I opened it up, I believe,
to Malachi chapter 2 or 3, where it says that
you shouldn't divorce your wife and be very careful, I
believe it says.
Um,
I mean, I, I, I just don't know what to do. Uh,
I just, I've got, um, advice and I just need
(19:33):
more help. It's just, it's just hard to, to see
my wife do that and this, this for it to happen.
So how much advice have you gotten and what, what
does the advice tend to lean towards?
Um, for me, for my parents, my advice, their advice is,
you know, it is what it is, if God's gonna
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give you your, if, if God wants you to go
back with her, or if, if he's gonna reunite you too,
then just wait in time. But, right, I mean, at
least when it happened, like recently when it happened.
I was so desperate to try to fix it because
Um, it's just, I know it's gonna be hard for
(20:15):
me to not do that or not to uh be
with her at least.
Um,
What would I say, like,
In the flesh, not be with her.
Because
And then
They said that, and then also my, I asked my pastors.
Uh, for advice and they didn't really help. They kind
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of said that she didn't really do no wrong cause
I didn't actually catch her doing anything in the physical
act with the other guy. But I thought you said
you did.
Yes, they, well, they were coming out of a park and, OK, yeah,
and then I, uh, she denied it when I, uh,
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confronted her about it as soon as we're kind of separated.
Got it, got it. And, and then things get like
it's just, and I would, I'd wanna believe it that she,
she's like she's telling me she didn't do anything that
she feels like she can talk to him. Yeah, all right, Phil,
we'll start with you. What would you suggest for Brandon?
Oh, there's a lot, Brandon, you said a lot of,
(21:18):
and I'm really sorry, man, for what's going on. Um, yeah,
you know, it's a bit of a contradiction what you're saying, because,
you know, you're talking about really like, you know, looking
at signs to help guide you, and then you also said,
then I'm opening the Bible and the verses that I'm
reading are about like, you know, trying to make things.
Work in your marriage, and that maybe divorce isn't the,
(21:41):
the right way, and it's interesting to me that you
didn't see those things as a sign, so I find
that interesting that you were looking for signs, but you
didn't exactly see that as a sign, and but I'm
in the same situation that others are gonna be in,
that is, I can't tell you what you should do,
but I can tell you what the Bible says on
kind of multiple levels, right? Um, especially when it's ambiguous
(22:03):
exactly what was going on or what's happened.
So I will say this, of course, the Bible is
like pretty clear on the idea that God hates divorce.
I'm not saying that to make you feel like you
don't have any choices, um, that you're a prisoner, you know, in,
in this marriage, but I, I do want you to
just hear that, and for anybody else listening that God
is for marriage. Now, there's, sometimes marriages fall apart, it happens, and,
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and if that's what's gonna happen, that's what's gonna happen,
but
Um, you know, maybe you guys, you know, maybe if
she's open to reconciliation before you jump to over, over, over,
you guys need to get some counseling, some real help, like, really,
the both of you sit down and get to hash
this out, very specific, very clear, not over a radio,
(22:48):
but really clear with the person.
Excuse me, in front of you, I think that would
be a great next step before you feel like you
have to commit to either totally staying in the marriage
or totally getting out, I think you can just put
pause on all of it and say, we need to
get some counseling. Yeah, Brian.
Yeah, I, I think that's, that's absolutely great counsel from
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Phil and, and I do.
I do think that before you do anything, do that
and then um.
You know, obviously, we're talking to you and we're hearing
your perspective, you know.
Like Phil said, sitting in a room with a counselor
where her perspective can be given and, and all all
(23:34):
of that. Yeah. Um, but, but it's hard. Obviously, she's
in the park with a guy. She says she didn't
do anything, she, but she can talk to him. OK,
maybe nothing happened, but still that it is in it's
in and of itself. That's problematic. She's a married woman
in a park.
(23:55):
With with a guy she's not married to. So, so
you guys have to kind of figure out, um, just
what what is what it is to be married and
and what that entails as far as commitment goes and
things like that. So, uh, a good counselor is gonna
be able to help you. So, I agree with Phil.
(24:16):
That's where you start.
All right, Brandon, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective,
and if everyone listening and watching can keep Brandon in
prayers so that he can navigate what his next step
will be. 888-564-6173 is our number. Really quick, I wanna
talk to Janay and Placentia. What's your take on what
you just heard, Janay?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Uh, well, I actually about, uh, I wanna say 2
years ago now, my husband and I went through something
very similar. Um, I actually went out and had an
affair that lasted about 6 weeks. Um, we have two
young children who are now 4 and 2 1/2. Um,
and so they were younger at the time, uh, and
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my husband through that entire time, continued to be on
his knees in prayer for me, and
Never gave up on me. He stayed and he prayed
and he encouraged me and he loved me as her
as he was. Um, I let my guard down. I
allowed the enemy to come in and attack me, and
I went and did what I did, and I will
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say that now we have been married for 5 years
and we are happily married for the first time since
we got married. It was not an easy marriage. It
was not a happy, we had a lot of hardships
and um.
He stood by and he prayed. He prayed and he
prayed and he prayed, and he surrounded himself, himself with
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God-fearing men, men he trusted in our church. Um, I
sat down with my pastor who I've known for 15
years since I was a child.
And told him everything, and he didn't condemn me. Him
and his wife loved me through the entire thing and said,
we're not mad at you, we're sad for you, and
we want to ask you these questions. And at the
end of the day, I realized that, of course, I
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love my husband. I married him for a reason. We
have beautiful children, and so through that, we just
Continued seeking the Lord, and he stayed with me through it.
He stayed and he prayed, and he loved me. And
that's all that I needed was his prayers and his
love and seeing him seeking the Lord is what got
me out of this.
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Whatever it was that I fell into, to see that
the Lord was my only answer and that having my
God-fearing man speaking out for the Lord was what was
going to save us in our marriage, and it did,
it did. Did
Speaker 1 (26:41):
you,
Speaker 2 (26:41):
we've been a testament now.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Jenny, did you get any, did you get a counseling,
pastoral counseling, or professional counseling?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
No, you know, we actually didn't. Um, the only thing
that we did was we sat down with our pastors
and
Uh, or our pastor, and him and I together sought
out the Lord, and, um, I was in my own therapy.
I've been in my own therapy for about 3 years now, um,
and he did go in with me, I think twice
(27:10):
after everything had happened, but we didn't. Um, for us,
it wasn't something that we chose to do, um, but
I don't discredit it. I think that for us, we
just really needed the Lord over anything.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Amen. Yeah, great.
It's Wonderful story. Yep, great testimony. Thanks for calling in
Janae to Pastor's perspective. Let's go to Robert in Menefee.
Hey Robert, what's your question for us today? Well, it's,
it's actually a conflict. Uh, when I listen to pastors,
multiple pastors, uh, preaching on Isaiah and in scripture with
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Jesus either writing, and a lot of pastors say on
the foal of an ass.
And other ones say on the fall of a donkey,
and being an old farmer, those are two very different animals,
and I'd like to know which one really translates out
of scripture correctly.
(28:11):
Donkey.
Donkey, yeah, OK, a donkey is a, I mean, ass
is a word, it's an English word that, you know,
was just used to describe.
Um,
That animal, I mean, I think.
Every translation except the King James Version is gonna say donkey. Um,
(28:35):
only the King James Version is gonna say us because
it's an old English version. Yeah, so, OK, Phil, any thoughts?
No, I was just as curious too. I was like,
I didn't know that was a different animal. So, well,
I mean, you know, a mule is a different animal
than a donkey. Uh, I don't know. Um, I mean, again,
(28:57):
I think it's, you know, the term ass is a,
it's an English word that is, I think it has
more to do with your cultural context than the actual, um.
Breed of an animal, right, that would make sense, yeah, that,
that makes sense. I just keep thinking of Shrek when
I hear donkey. That's where my brain goes, so it's
not a scriptural biblical thing at all, but that I, I'm,
(29:20):
I'm learning today. Thank you. That was great. Robert, thanks
for your phone call today on pastor's perspective. Keep in
mind that King James is also the one that talks
about a unicorn, right? That's right.
Yes, Unicorn King James. Yes. All right, Robert, thanks for
your phone call. We're gonna take a break and we'll
be back with more of your questions. If you're on
hold right now, stay on hold. We'll get to as
many of you as we can before the end of
(29:40):
the hour here on Pastor's Perspective. And if you'd like
to call in, you can. 888-564-6173 is our number, and
we'll talk to you in just a little bit.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
My name is Brian Perez. I'm in the studio with
Pastor Brian Broderson of Echoesof Mercy.com. Pastor Brian also teaches
a Bible study on Sunday evenings at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.
Starts at 6:30. You can find out all about it
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at back to Basradio.com/live. You're teaching this Sunday, yes? Yeah,
I am. We're gonna do two more Sunday nights. So
we finished the book of Acts, you know, we're going
to the New Testament. We finished the book of Acts
a week ago and we're gonna do a couple of
Uh, Advent, Christmassy kind of messages on the 7th and
(31:02):
the 14th, and then we will be on a break
for the next month. And then we will resume in, uh, January, uh,
2nd week of January and pick up in our study
through the New Testament. What is next? Well, Romans, of course,
follows Acts, so probably gonna go to Romans.
(31:25):
Kicked around a different idea, but I think probably Romans,
but I, I will definitely know. I would hope so
before we get there. Yes, Phil Metzger's here too. He's
the pastor of Calvary San Diego. What time are your
services on Sundays, Phil?
One service 10:00 a.m. That's easy.
(31:45):
Easy. Yeah, that's Phil. You did multiple services for years.
You did, what did you do, like 3 or 4
services on the weekend in Budapest.
Yeah, we did 4 on, you know, Sunday and then
2 on Wednesday night. So I am really enjoying 1
service on Sunday morning. You can't even believe it. Yeah,
(32:06):
I was gonna say that sounds like you would.
You would definitely, uh, enjoy that. We've talked about like
probably next year needing to start, maybe do a second,
and I'm just like fighting the very idea. Uh, it's
just so, it's so great being all together in a room,
you know, something special about that. Just record one service
and play it on the second service so that you
(32:28):
don't have to, that you can go home early. No,
I'm joking, that's not the best way to do it.
All right, uh, I wanted to take another call, but, uh,
Pastor Brian was doing some research, and I wasn't sure
if he found his research to share with the world. Well, yeah, I,
you know, I, I have done some research here. Oh no,
are we still on donkeys and mules? Please tell me
we are. Yes, I knew it. Yes, yes, yes. So
(32:50):
let's see.
Um,
We're looking up ass here and this there's many interesting
definitions for the noun, uh, hardy, gregarious, um, but then, um,
African or Asian mammals, smaller than a horse, having long ears.
(33:16):
Um,
And uh the ancestor of a donkey.
So yeah, I don't know this this is helping that much.
I was gonna say.
Hey, it's Webster's dictionary, so you know, no, you can
trust that better than AI, I think. OK, so here's
the synonyms borough.
(33:39):
Donkey, I love that.
And a small donkey is a burrito, uh, jackass. That's
another synonyms, so.
Yeah, I've met those before. So, so there you have it.
OK, very cool. And now we know everything we wanted
to know about. Now you know, friends. Yes, OK, Anthony
and Lake Elsinore listening on FM 107.9 K wave. Hello.
(34:06):
Anthony
Anthony, did you press mute on your phone?
I did, and now I'm here. OK, what's your question
for us, man?
Uh, well, first I had a curiosity for some definitions
and then sort of a question I guess based on
those definitions. We've been doing definitions all day today, so,
you know, yeah, we just did a great one.
(34:29):
So, the first one would be, and then they interact
with each other. So the first one would be Zionism,
and then the second would be dispensationalism, and then the
actual question would be how they interact with each other
on a theological basis for Calvary Chapel, but then also
for anybody who really kind of subscribes to that theology.
(34:50):
OK. What's say you, Phil?
Yeah, um, I can start with Zionism for sure, uh,
because where I lived in Eastern Europe in the country
of Hungary is the home of the birthplace of the
kind of known as the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl.
Theodore Herzl, and, um, Zionism is a Jewish movement.
(35:11):
That was all about, like we're we're talking like in
the late 1800s into the early 1900s, was to see
the people of the Jewish people of Jewish descent to
return back to their homeland in what we now call Israel,
but was, you know, at the time it was, it
was Palestine.
Um, the British territory, and Theodore Herzl was a journalist
(35:34):
who was promoting the idea around the world that Jews
should be going home, uh, to create a homeland. And
when they finally did get a homeland, it was actually
a debate whether they would name the land Israel or Zion.
So that was actually something that was
Debated. It was also debated whether the nation would use
(35:56):
Yiddish as their national language or Hebrew, and thankfully they
went with Hebrew rather than Yiddish, but, um, so Zionism
is a political, national movement to bring the Jews back
to Israel. That's the
Now, I don't think it's used that way today. I
want to clarify that. I don't think it's quite considered
in the same way today. But that is the kind
of traditional understanding of Zionism. And, and the another thing
(36:19):
about it, Phil, that that was a great explanation. And yes,
being there and having seen, you know, Hertzl's home and
all of the great synagogue and all of that. Um.
But the other thing about it too is that's important
is to recognize that it was a completely secular movement.
So it was not attached to God. They did not, uh,
(36:41):
Herzl and many of the founders of Zionism were atheists,
but they, um, they did believe that there was a
historic connection to the land and, and they, you know,
wanted to go back and have a, a land where
they could actually, you know, just live in peace and
not be persecuted like they had been all over Europe
and
So forth. So, yeah.
(37:02):
So what do you think of that, Anthony?
Um, so you said that's sort of like how it
used to be defined. Could you describe how it's being
used today versus back then?
Well, this might get us into kind of where you're,
where you're going. So today, you know, Zionism is seen
as like a, almost like an apartheid, and I'm not
(37:24):
saying that's true, I'm saying it's how it's often defined today,
as if the, the Jewish people wanting to keep their
land or to take, you know, to keep their land
to the Jewish nation is some form of apartheid, which
I would vehemently argue against that, while also having incredible
problems with the way things are going.
(37:45):
In both the West Bank and Gaza, I, I struggle
with what's happening, but be that as it may, the
term Zionism is often today seen as some kind of
a negative, like where Israel is, is, is suppressing, um,
or pressing their, their, um, their will upon people who
don't want that in their own land, and so,
(38:05):
Um, and again I would say that's not Zionism, you
can call that something else, but Zionism should be based
on its historical understanding of a political, secular movement towards
the Jews going back to their homeland.
Very good, Anthony. Thank you for your phone call today
on Pastor's Perspective. And now here is Jason who's watching
us on Instagram. Hey there, Jason. Let's wave. Uh, San Diego, hello,
(38:28):
how can we help you? Hello friends, how are you today?
Doing well, thanks.
So my question is about.
Reconciling my faith with the rest of the world.
Because I was in the navy and I traveled the world,
I saw all kinds of people, all kinds of faiths,
and for a very long time, I kind of viewed God.
(38:50):
As the top of a mountain, and there were multiple
roads to get to him.
But since I've been going to Calvary at San Diego
with Phil, by the way, shout out Phil.
Um, the last few years, I have.
Kind of changed my view because, you know, Jesus said
that he is the one and only way to the Father.
(39:10):
But how do I reconcile that with my heart for
the rest of the world?
All right, Phil.
Hey Jason, this is great. I, I, people always threaten
to call while I'm on the air from the church,
so now they did it, this is great. Um, alright Jason, I, I, I,
I don't think you need to reconcile your heart for
the world with your, with your faith. I've, I, I'm,
(39:30):
and as I say it to all of our people
down here, thanks for your service to this country. I
think as a person, and I know Brian would say
the same, Broderson, we've, we've traveled a lot of the
world as well.
And I don't think you need to reconcile that. I
think we need to recognize that God has so loved
the world. Listen, the, the worst thing that God could
have done, he didn't do, thankfully, but what the worst
thing he could have done is just say, oh, you know,
(39:53):
it's subjective how you get to me, it's totally subjective,
just figure it out, work it out in your own way,
in your own religion, in your own philosophy, in your
own thinking.
Instead, God became one of us, and so, and then
for the whole world, he says, I am the way.
I don't have to subjectively wonder whether I'm in the Philippines,
or I'm in Somalia, or I'm in Hungary or I'm
(40:15):
in England. We don't have to ever subjectively wonder how
can a person be born again, have their sins forgiven,
have the hope of eternal life.
And know that God is going to be with them forever.
There is no subjectivity to that. Jesus said, I am
the way. So I hold a heart for the world
by preaching the gospel, by going out and telling people
(40:37):
the good news of Jesus, by recognizing that there's, there's
still great opportunity for that. So Jason, I don't think
you need to recognize.
Reconcile this heart for the world, because let me tell
you where your heart for the world comes from ultimately,
it comes from God. He's the one that gives us love,
a true love, and so, um, to me, Jesus being
the only way is such hope for the world. It
(40:59):
doesn't make me have less hope, it gives me more hope. Brian,
thank you. Yeah, I, that was a great answer. I
don't really know that I would add anything to it.
All right, what do you think, Jason?
I think that's fantastic. I think I just like, I
I've read those words so many times, but like actually
(41:20):
just hearing it.
Mix it
Feel
A little more real and I don't need to, like,
Understand that there's different ways because there isn't, there is
only one. Thank you for that.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I think of um.
(41:42):
You know, you, you like when you read the prophets, I,
I always marvel. I'm, I'm in Isaiah again right now. So,
you know, where the Lord, you know, it's going out
of his way to remind us that
Um, he is the, the God who created heaven and earth.
He is the God who formed man out of the
dust of the earth and breathed breath into his lungs, and, um,
(42:08):
you know, God is always making sure everybody understands just
exactly who he is. He is the only God, the
only true God. He's the one.
Everything that is exists because he willed it into existence.
He spoke it into existence. And that's, that's the reality.
And Phil, like you said, I mean, I think you
(42:29):
would agree, we both, we, we feel very privileged to
have had the kinds of opportunities that we've had to
travel into many different places in the world and to
have beautiful deep relationships with people from, you know, different
countries and cultures and nationalities.
And but the beauty that we get to see is
(42:51):
just how the reality of Jesus in every, in every culture.
And you know, it doesn't all of those things are
in some ways they become irrelevant when it comes to
Christ and
Uh, just knowing and experiencing him and seeing that so
(43:11):
beautifully wrought in the lives of people whose lifestyles and
backgrounds and cultures and everything is so much different than
ours is, but there's that commonality in Jesus where you're
just like, oh yeah, well this is, this is where
it all comes together right here.
(43:32):
Amen, yeah, and I just wanted to say, Jason, come
and say hi after church. Come and say hi so
I can.
Give you a big hug. Good to, good to talk
to you.
Cool, Jason, thanks for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
And now here's Deborah in Paris, California, listening on FM
107.9 K wave. Hey there, Deborah.
hello. Hello. What's your question for us today? My question was,
(43:57):
in Genesis, Moses talks about that every seed has its
own kind and every beast of the field after its
own kind. And then over here in Isaiah 13:22, it
talks about uh a creature named S A T Y
R S and I found that out to be Greek mythology, uh, uh.
Uh, and, um, not actually a literal human and an
(44:18):
animal mixed together. Is it possible, after Moses said, every
beast has its own kind, that there does exist an animal,
that's half human and half, half human and half animal?
Yes or no? What is that, uh, scripture reference again? Isaiah.
Isaiah 13:22 talks about a creature named S A T
(44:39):
Y R S being a setter, being half human and
half animal. And, and, and, and in Genesis, Moses talks
about that's not possible. God said every beast has his
own kind.
So if this is said that the center is half
human and half animal, is that just a Greek mythology,
or is that true? Is Moses wrong? Is Moses right? Well, I,
I wonder, I, I'm really curious about the translation you're reading.
(45:01):
Do you know what translation it is that you're reading?
What is that? James. King James? OK, cause I'm looking
at Isaiah 13:22. Hyenas will howl in the fortresses and
jackals and the luxurious places. Uh yeah, so, I don't know. OK,
there's another scripture that says it's in um Isaiah of
30 34:11, maybe it's located there. 34:11 talks about this
(45:25):
S A T Y R S.
Yeah, well, I think what you're dealing with here, um,
I think you're dealing with, uh, the passage of time
and the meaning of words changing. So we have, uh,
you know, because the, the, the King James Version was
originally brought into existence in 1611 and the last, um.
(45:50):
Update, if you will, was 1865, I think so. Uh,
you know, so language changes, meanings of words change, uh,
change over time. And the simple answer is that no,
there are no half human, half animal creatures that are
talked about in the Bible. So if that particular word
(46:13):
is used at the time.
It would not have meant that.
Yes, sir.
Does that help?
Yeah, that helps me. Um, can I ask you just
one more question concerning that? Has there ever been anything that,
that's different from what Moses said? Every beast has its
(46:33):
own kind? What I'm asking, has there ever existed a
half animal and a half human that can breed and
continue making half animals and half humans? No, no, however
you want to answer it.
The, the simple answer is N O. And now you
K N O W. No. So what, why, why, why
the fascination with this, Deborah? I'm wondering.
(46:56):
Um, because I had a pastor tell me that if
I see this name sin in the Bible, that it
means that there is existing half animal, half human, and
I took her over to Moses, Genesis where it says
every beast has its own kind, every seed has its
own kind. I said,
So that's a law that God put in order and
it will not change. So she said over here, where
(47:17):
she's seen, it says it's assessor that's a human, half
human and half, uh, animal, that it does exist. If
it's in the Bible, it means it exists. And I,
I made a difference with her that it was just
not me saying that. And it was a Greek mythology
and it meant actually some kind of wild beast, very
wild beast, but it does not mean half human, half animal.
That can't be possible. I think I found where, what
(47:39):
we're looking at here, I think, though.
The answer is still no. Nothing's changed, nothing's changed with
the answer, but I think where this is coming from,
I do see it, it's uh, or I see where
it's coming from, it's the phrase like wild goats.
That comes up in the book of Isaiah and Isaiah
13 and again in Isaiah 34, and it's from a Hebrew,
and it's from a couple different Hebrew words, serum, and
(48:02):
then the word that I was hearing her spell satyr,
S A T Y R, and sometimes that was referred
to as like a, like a mythology, like a goat
demon or something like that, but in the context.
of the Bible, it is very clear it's referring to
a goat, like an actual goat. There are no half human,
half animals that that does not exist. Yeah, and it
(48:25):
says here a wild goat. It's a wild goat. Yeah,
so as compared to goats, domesticated goat. Yeah, so it's
a reference to a wild goat.
Yeah, and then I found, I found something too that it's, uh,
could be there's something called a centaur, which is one
of those half man, half, yeah, so maybe that's what
(48:46):
people are thinking that the centers where you can find centaurs.
In Chronicles of Narnia in the Chronicles of Narnia that's right.
Oh yes, yes, because I just read the, uh, first
chapter of Lion Witch and the Wardrobe, and Mr. Tumnus
is coming on the scene, and he is a centaur.
(49:08):
Great book. All right, Deborah, thanks for calling in today
to Pastor's Perspective. And now let's go to what? Another Deborah. Yes,
another Deborah. We are the number one radio program amongst
women named Deborah. This is awesome. Deborah from Lake Forest,
thank you for calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Hello. Hi, uh, enjoy your program so much. Thank you. Um,
so I have kind of a Christian relationship kind of thing. Uh, basically,
I've been a Christian for 40 years and, uh,
I'm also clinically depressed and bipolar, but I'm on medication
(49:50):
and that controls me. Um, I had a Christian friend
for 10 years, a woman, and then my meds stopped working.
This happens every so often, and I have to get
onto a different med, but it takes about a month.
And so I'm not my usual self then. And
(50:12):
This particular girlfriend kind of just dumped me when I
was going through this problem, like she couldn't handle it.
So then I developed another relationship with another Christian girlfriend.
And
She was fine with when I went through things, but
(50:33):
then she started dating a non-Christian man and
All of a sudden she just didn't have time for
our relationship anymore, so she kind of like dumped me.
So I'm not in a big hurry to find another
Christian girlfriend, um, and I have several worldly girlfriends and
(50:55):
all of them have hung in there with me. So
I just
I, I don't understand it. It should be the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Mm.
Well, we're really sorry to hear that, Deborah. Um, Phil,
what would you say to Deborah? Sure, yeah, it's, it's, um,
it's pretty extraordinary, Deborah, your, your kind of self-awareness and
how the, like the cycle that happens and when the
medication stops working, there's this time frame, that's really great,
good for you, and you know, um, I can't really,
(51:24):
I mean, listen, I don't know your friends, I don't
know who they were, um, I, I wouldn't generalize, I,
I'd be afraid, I'd be careful.
To generalize like, well, the Christian ones dumped me and
the non-Christians didn't, therefore all Christians are this way and
non-Christians are that way. I would just say, man, that stinks,
and that was really uncool of your friends to do that,
that those specific ones. I wouldn't let that become the
(51:45):
reason to avoid ever having Christian friends again. I think
it'd be important to keep, keep doing that.
You know, um, it's important that we just, we, we,
we guard like having friendships, and I would even say
maybe something you've learned out of this is, is let
them know about your journey and what you're gonna go through, and,
and I'm, I'm just, we're just sorry, like Brian, you
already said it, Perez, that's, that's terrible, it shouldn't happen
(52:08):
like that, but sometimes it does. Don't give up having
good friends.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, I, I agree, you know, um, yeah.
It, it's, that's a bummer. It's like I, it's like
I got dumped out of a relationship or
something,
Speaker 1 (52:25):
yeah, right, Brian? Why do you think sometimes the church,
people in church, and again we're not generalizing, we're not
saying everybody, but it just, it, it does feel that
way sometimes like the people that we should be the
closest with, we're not.
Well, you know, the people in church are humans.
(52:47):
And sinners and, uh, you know, some are sinners who
have advanced in their discipleship and are, you know, progressively
becoming more Jesus-like and some that process is in some
(53:07):
cases it's stalled, uh, in some cases it's very, very slow,
and because that is the case, people
Um, even though they are Christians, will, you know, oftentimes
behave in ways that are not Christianly, and, um, that is, uh,
it doesn't mean they're not Christians, it just means that their,
(53:29):
their discipleship is not where Jesus intends it to be, so.
Uh, yeah, I mean, this, you know, we, we've got
to work on that, us who are in church leadership,
pastors and so forth, helping people. But, you know, like
my son says, uh, everybody at some point has to
take their discipleship into their own hands. I can't, I can't,
you know, other people in the end can't do this
(53:51):
for me. I have got to do it for myself
with with myself and Jesus. Others can assist and be helpful.
But, but I've got to do it. And I think
that you just, I, I think you have a lot
of people in church today who just don't take their
discipleship seriously. Yeah. Do you think it also might have
to do with the, the stigma of mental health awareness
and everything too? Yeah, or just the fact that, you know,
(54:14):
this is like a burden. I don't want to, I
don't want to bear it, you know, even though the
scripture says bear one another's burdens, you're like, you know,
that's too much for me. I don't want to do that. It,
it bums me out. I don't want to spend that time.
I don't want to.
be around a depressed person. I don't, you know, people just,
they don't want to do it. And so they decide, they,
they opt out and um.
(54:36):
And it, you know, it is, I mean, it's, it's,
it's really antithetical to what the picture of the church
is to be according to scripture, but even the scriptures
recognize that.
A lot of times Christians are falling short of what
God desires them to be. That's why we have uh
(54:57):
entire letters in the New Testament that are telling us, um,
you know, to think more highly of others than we
do of ourselves, to have the mind that is in Christ, Jesus, um,
you know, these kinds of things, and, and we have
to apply those things. And if we don't, then we
end up kind of just behaving like.
People who don't even know Jesus and sometimes people who
(55:20):
don't know Jesus are actually behaving better like we heard there. Yeah,
so let this be a lesson to all of us
listening to, uh, Deborah's story to, uh, to be a helper,
to be the person that you need to be, the
person that Jesus wants you to be, and, um, yeah,
thanks so much for calling in today, Deborah. We're praying
for you that
You will find good Christian friends. And that's all the
(55:42):
time we have on today's episode of Pastor's Perspective. We'll
do it again tomorrow between 3 and 4, so if
you couldn't get through today, try again tomorrow. For Pastor
Brian Broderson and Pastor Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez. Thanks
for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.
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