December 5, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hey, hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
It is Friday and uh we are here for the
final time this week. Give us a call if you've
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There's also a messenger on the pastor's perspective.
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perspective Instagram, but the phone, use it to call us
at 888-564-6173. Answering your questions today, we've got Brian and
Cheryl Broderson from Echoesof Mercy.com. Brian, good to see you, sir.
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Well, Brian, it is great to see you as well,
but I did see you yesterday. Yes, that's true. And
there's a person in this room that you haven't seen, and,
and we were not totally sure who's gonna be seen today.
That's what I was about to say, that it's always
good to see Cheryl, but extra good today. Yes, I've
got my special motion bracelet on.
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And uh to help me not feel dizziness and I'm
also on some medication for dizziness. So, so does the
bracelet help you not feel dizzy dizzy? Does it help
you not feel dizzy? It's supposed to it's sending like
this electric current to uh half my hand and so
by tensing that it's supposed to keep you from
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Uh, from, uh, it's, it's a seasick bracelet, but it's
just to help you if you have motion sickness and
it's just to help you if, uh, if you're, uh,
pregnant and you're, um, got morning sickness and stuff like that.
So yeah, vertigo is awful. It's just like the worst.
So it was, it was pretty traumatic, horrible. I witnessed
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it all with my own eyes. It was crazy because,
you know, here we are walking and all of a
sudden the um.
The scenery just kept jerking on me. And so I
grabbed him. I said, I hope you don't mind and
poor guy. I grabbed him on his vest, his walking vest,
and I was just gripping it and I knew the
zipper must be pulling up around his neck. And I'm like,
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I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. He's like, it's OK.
It's OK. Just keep holding on. I'm like, thank you,
thank you. I said, she ain't heavy, she's my woman.
Yeah, I'm so glad you didn't, and the car was
5 miles away, right? No, no, no, the car was
at home, our house, but you had, you had walked
the 5 miles. We, it's about 1 mile to this
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really cool trail. I heard something about 5 miles. Yeah,
Talbot Park, Talbert Park is really, it's about 1 mile
from our house, and it's just this incredible nature center
off of Placentia.
And I love to walk there. I walked there a
lot without Brian, which he's like, I don't think you
should do that now. And I'm like, maybe not. On
this day we decided, let's just walk all the way
to the beach because that's where the Santa Ana River
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Trail is, so you can actually take it all the
way to the beach, and it's really fun to do,
and we're.
Like, OK, let's just do it. And so we'd walked
about 5 miles and we were almost to the beach.
And all of a sudden, I said, wow, I'm, I'm
feeling kind of wobbly. And, you know, things are kind
of like, it's, I'm feeling a little vertigo. And he's like, OK, OK.
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So we kept walking.
And by the time we got to the beach, he
had to use the restroom and when he went into
the restroom, I had to grab like a wall and
just hold on to it and the dog was thirsty.
So I'm trying to turn the water on for the dog,
but I can't even look at the dog. I just
have to find a focal point. By this time I'm
really sick. And so, um, when we were walking back
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then I was just really, it was, I was getting
worse and worse and I kept finding.
Uh, trying to find focal points and, um, it was bad.
By the time we got home, I couldn't stop throwing up.
It was pretty gross. Sorry, sorry for all those. I'm 65.
You tell all your symptoms. This is what you do
when you get with your friends. Start talking about how
sick you were. It's kind of sad. It's a sign
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of age. You know what my mom said to me,
she said, you know you're old when you count out
the change.
For, you know, when you buy something and I always
find myself like, OK, and that's 52 cents. Let's see,
I've got a quarter. I've got 2 times. I've got
a nickel. Oh, and here it is, 2 pennies. I'm like,
I am old. I am, I am my mother's daughter.
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And then you find 5 more pennies in your pocket.
You go, oh wait, give me back that.
Nickel. Here's 5 pennies instead, and it drives the cashier crazy.
So I'm old too. I love pennies. I like pennies because,
you know, they're taking them out of circulation. They might
be worth more. Yeah, they will. They already are. In fact,
it costs more money to, sorry, Brian, to make a
nickel than a nickel is worth.
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So a nickel's worth 5 cents, and I think they
were saying it costs like 6 or 7 cents to
make a nickel. So nickels and pennies are both going
out of circulation. Listen, just in case you guys don't know,
there's a whole generation of people who don't even know
what a nickel is. They don't know what a dime is.
They don't know what a quarter is. Who is this?
Generation Is this the beta generation because they were just
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born in 1920 I mean 2020. They are our grandchildren's age. No,
most of our grandchildren, maybe the youngest our grandchildren would
know that because we taught them, hey, here's a quarter. Yeah, no,
we did not. Here's a nickel for your homework. We
did not.
Oh OK.
Now, now that we gave the health update, health update
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and money update and the and the currency update, um, Cheryl,
give the women's coffee coffee. That's right. That's gonna be
so fun.
That's tomorrow and that's like, that was my goal to
try to get better for the Christmas coffee. So the
Christmas coffee tomorrow is at 9:30 and I'm very excited
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because it's Carmen Imes and I had the privilege of
interviewing her on Women Worth Knowing and it was, it
was so fun because, um, for those who don't know,
I do a podcast all about women, uh, throughout history
and even to present day who have loved Jesus and
who have, you know, um, kind of.
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Um, done these things that nobody really regards and I
want people to know who these women are. So I
did Carmen Imes. Brian recommended Carmen and uh she's a
professor at Viola. She's like amazing and what was really
fun is that Carmen had read all of the Christie
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Miller books that Robin had written.
So and Robin's your co-host. Robin's my co-host, and so
those two hit it off. It was like, and hey,
I'm here. No, I'm just kidding. Carmen was amazing, very gracious, brilliant. Oh,
she's so smart and she's so fun. I mean, she
laughs easily and she's just got a great sense of humor,
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so she's going to be sharing and you get that brilliancy,
you get that humor and you get that deep spirituality,
but there's also.
Um, special treats for everyone who comes. They always have
a gift for everyone who comes, and they also have, um,
a special like, uh, food, and then there's a great
big market that you can shop for and most of
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the gifts are, um, homemade and really fun. Uh my
friend Margaret's gonna have a vintage booth and she's been
collecting a lot of vintage things, so she's super, super excited.
I asked her if she wanted all my old grocery
bags so she could put those is that the stuff
she was carrying out of our house, all that vintage stuff.
When was that? I'm just kidding. Oh, you better stop that.
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She's gonna be selling nickels and pennies. I'm getting a
little concerned about you. You're, you're making up stories about
our grandkids. You're talking about my friend going through the doors,
you know, I've had, I've had vertigo, so I don't
know what you're up to.
And when this was happening, yes, I'm listening to the
rest of History podcast and having fun. Did you know,
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did you know that the rest of history, oh wait,
it's at 9:30 tomorrow, um, and the study is actually
at 10 o'clock and it's gonna be $20 at the door.
But if you buy your ticket right now, right now,
this second online.
Until about 12 o'clock tonight if you buy it online,
it's 15, but it's gonna go up 5 so it
does not pay to be late and there's and there's
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a reason that they're charging. There's a um they're giving to.
A voice of the refugees, of the refugee too. But
plus you're getting a gift and plus you get, you know,
and you can register at women.ccm.com. Go there, scroll down where,
where it says Christmas coffee, click there and you can get, uh,
the schedule and everything else, including the link. What's wonderful, yeah,
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this is something that my mother started way back when.
Remember Brian? I think she started doing these Christmas coffees
and a coffee because my mom didn't do tea. Everybody
else is doing teas and she's like, I don't like tea.
So we had to do a Christmas coffee and she
started this, uh, sometime in 1980s for you worked for me.
I do actually tea or coffee, but it does work, um,
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but she started.
Way back when. And this was her like pet project
and she loved these Christmas coffees. So it's, it's, you know, it's,
it's definitely about Jesus, but also it's a, it's a
tribute to my mom who has no idea because she's
enjoying heaven so much but.
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I'll tell her when I get there. Mom, you'd be
so blessed how we kept doing those Christmas coffees. Yep.
All right, so sign up at women.ccm.com Saturday, December 6th, tomorrow, and, uh, yeah,
it'd be great if you could be there, ladies. 888-564-6173
is the number to call and let's go to the phones. Uh,
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who was it? Jesse hung up. So we're gonna go
to Jose in Fullerton. Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Jose.
Hi, uh, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I, I just wanna say thank you to, uh,
Pastor Brian. Uh, I attend Calvary Chapel, uh, Costa Mesa,
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and I've been enjoying CHR, but, uh, Pastor Brian, uh,
thank you so much. Over the years you've really helped, uh,
me and my family quite a bit, and, uh, we
had a chance, uh, just a couple of weeks, just
after the, the meeting just.
For me to share with you the a need of
prayer and uh thank you so much. Uh, the question
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I had had to do with uh the word create
and the word made or make um I was reading
the Bible and then there's a passage in the Bible
where he says, hey, you search the scriptures for and
then you think you might find life, but they, they
talk about me so I went back with
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Thinking about that and then Genesis, I, oh my gosh,
I began to see Christ just in every verse, and uh,
I'm reading Genesis and um I see that the order
in which God created things, um, and I thought wow,
that's really God's in all of it, especially day 3
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it's not a coincidence that.
The Lord asked the waters to be collected in one
place and the dry land to appear on the 3rd
day and then life begins, right? So, so what's your
main question, Jose?
Well, the question had to do with right after that
there's a mention of and then the Lord made the
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earth and the heavens, so then it's a different word
altogether and it's reversed from creating the heavens and the earth.
There the next verse after the 7th day, it says
this is now.
The day that the Lord made the earth and the heavens,
and then, so I just wanted.
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Why there's a difference there in in in the order.
Is that what you mean, Jose, why there's a difference
in the order?
Yeah, first it was create and then afterwards it's made,
not the, not, not create the heavens and the earth.
Now it says the earth and the heavens. Yeah, and,
and it's a great, it is a great question. And
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actually there are two different Hebrew words that are used
and the one word create is the Hebrew word Baa,
which would be a reference to God bringing everything into
existence out of nothing.
And so in the beginning God created Bara, the, the
heaven and the earth. He brought them into existence. And then, um,
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like for example when it says, um, and the Lord
God made two great lights, uh, made is the word, uh,
Asa is the Hebrew word, and that word means more
to assemble.
Uh, exist, you know, something that already exists, it's assembling
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it or putting it in its place.
And so the idea is that Genesis 11 is a
summary statement. In the beginning, God created the heavens and
the earth, um, but then we go into the details
of how, uh, everything was assembled and Barra is only
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used after the very first verse to refer to the
creation of the, um, the invisible part of the creature.
And so, um, like when it's referring to the animals
and it's referring to the breath of life, the nephe
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is the Hebrew word there, that the nephe is again
created Barra out of nothing, and this would be true
with man. So man is assembled because he's made out
of the dust of the earth. Assa, he's made.
But then God breathes into him the breath of life,
and this is where the Barra, uh, idea comes in
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that that man is, um, now God brings uh his
spiritual life, um, from nothing.
Any thoughts, Cheryl? I like it.
All right, Jose, thanks for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective. Yes,
and thank you, Jose, for the and see you on Sunday.
Encouraging words. Yes, for sure. Um, I will not see
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him on Sunday. Oh no, that's right, because you're at
Christ Point. I'm at Point Church on Sunday. Yes. Oh, OK.
But what about Sunday night? I could see. Oh yeah, Sunday,
Sunday night. I just reminded him. You did remind me,
and you know what I did.
A video yesterday and forgot to post it. Uh, yeah,
Sunday night, we will be there for Back to Basics
Live and we finished the book of Acts. And last
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week we had a sweet time of worship and prayer.
And this Sunday night, we're gonna have the next two
Sunday nights, we're gonna have, um, kind of advent type
of messages, you know, just looking at the birth of Jesus.
So that's what we'll do, yeah.
And our friend Hannah is going to be there to
lead us in some Christmas songs. Oh, Hannah Shchramm. Yes, fun, fun. 888-564-6173.
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Since we're on the topic of creation, here's a question
that was sent in online from Jeffrey in San Bernardino,
who writes, there are various animals which are dangerous to man.
But there are animals that are classified as full-on man eaters.
They actually hunt and feed on man lions, jaguars, polar bears, crocodiles.
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Why is there a biblical reason why animals created by
God hunt His creation that was made in His image?
Does Genesis say man shall, doesn't, doesn't Genesis say that
man shall have dominion over the animals? What do you
guys think? Well, there's, uh, there's two words the fall.
It's when sin entered the world, it, it altered all
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creation and it just changed it. It changed, it took
away the, the purpose and you know, it turned, um,
you know, roses to weeds, you know, that's what you find.
It's like God's like, do you realize what you've done?
The earth is now cursed and we're told also in, uh,
is it Romans chapter 8 that the world also is
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under a curse and God.
He cursed the world. It says in um Genesis that
God actually cursed the world for man's sake. So if
you still had a good earth and you had, you know,
a bad man, the earth would, you know, vomit the
man off because it was good and man was bad.
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So God had to curse the earth and so he
put everything on a curse under the curse, uh, so
that we could all be liberated together by Jesus Christ,
you know, um.
Years ago, somebody wrote a play, actually a story to
illustrate this fact, and the story is called Sleeping Beauty.
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I've heard of that. I've heard of that. So the
movie Sleeping Beauty, not the movie, but the actual story
was written as an allegory, and um when the princess,
you know, um, goes into the lair of the evil witch,
she's where she shouldn't be.
And she reaches out and she touches the spindle, which
you know is like the fruit and takes it and
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she becomes cursed and only true love. To the spindle,
touch it, touch it, I say, but only that we've
only seen it like 3000 times.
But when she touches it, it's like Eve taking the fruit,
the forbidden, and you know it's so she'll die, but
you remember um.
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The three fairies, uh, Florafauna and Merriweather, but in.
The actual allegory, they were faith, hope and love. They,
they reverse the curse and uh make it just sleeping
until true love. And so the whole kingdom is put
under the curse. The whole kingdom is put um.
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To sleep until that prince who is the savior can
arise and bring true love and then everything comes back
to life and you see the thorns in the movie
turned into roses and so that's that was an allegory
of what.
Genesis is teaching us that God put the whole earth
under a curse for man's sake. So when the curse happened, um, animals,
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and what we see too in the millennium, um, in
Isaiah is that Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 35, you see
that the animals go back to eating, um, they, they
go back to being vegans.
Vegetarians.
Yeah, yeah, are you done? OK, I'm looking to you. No, I, yeah,
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because I'm looking at the Genesis passage and like you're saying, um,
you know, because of the sin, God says cursed is
the ground for your sake, and then your sake, and
then thorns and thistles it shall bring forth, and you
shall eat the herb of the field, the sweat of
your face, and, and so forth, and you know, from
dust until you return to the dust from which you
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were taken.
For, um, you know, from dust you came to dust
you shall return. But then like you said, when you
go into these wonderful promises of the kingdom.
We see that when Jesus returns this is all reversed
and so the wolf and the lamb uh shall, uh,
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lie down together and the lion will eat straw like
the ox and a little child shall lead the bear
and the children will play near the cobra's den and
not be fearful.
And these are the, you know, the beautiful promises of
the reversal of the curse. That's really the reversal of
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the curse. Jeffrey, thanks for sending in your question through
the pastor's perspective page at kwave.com. Now let's talk to Grace.
We could all use Grace. Grace in Los Angeles, thanks
for calling in today and thanks for listening on FM
107.9 Kwave.
Hello. How is everyone doing this afternoon?
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We're doing great. Thank you.
Good, good. It's amazing how every question before my question
has to do with my question. I wanna talk on,
I have a question about the um
Love in the garden.
In creation, because my, I'm working on a study about
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how God is, you know, we know God is love
and God is eternal, but how do, before the fall,
what are some symbols, if any, of God's love.
In the garden or in the.
Well, let's creation, yeah, let's, I don't know if I'm
saying it, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, but you know, um,
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I don't know. I think you're gonna have to search
for those. Maybe Brian's got some ideas, but the first
mention actually of love in the Bible is not in
the garden, but it's actually when God tells Abraham to
sacrifice his son, his only son whom you love, and
that's actually the first mention of love in the Bible,
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and I think that's um.
You know, I think that's very significant because he's saying
the highest love, Abraham is the love that you have
for Isaac and it's, it's God saying my highest love
is for my son and just even as this is
so hard for you to sacrifice your son, this is
what it's gonna be for me when I sacrifice my son.
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But I think that um in order to see love
in the garden, I think you're just gonna have to
see it in the genius of his creation.
And the, the fact of the freedom of putting them
in this beautiful, it says God planted a garden. I
just love that idea of God planting a garden and
putting all these incredible fruit trees and putting a man
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and woman in the garden and saying, you know, be
fruitful and and multiple.
Apply and then walking among them in the cool of
the garden every, every day. So I think that I
think that you're going to have to see love by
implication rather than, you know, by a word or something obvious.
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Does that help at all?
Yeah, cause I, I was actually, I've been working on
this for a while and I was struggling. I'm like,
I'm gonna call Pastor's perspective. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, that's always
a good idea. I was, see if I was missing something,
I'm like,
I'm trying to find a more obvious inference because I'm
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trying to reach out to people who don't believe, right, right,
so that's where that whole, yeah, there's no hallmark story
though in Genesis one.
But there, you know, I mean, once you get further in,
I mean I just think that and then the Abraham,
I don't know what how good a husband he is
if he gives Sarah away twice, you know.
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But God really protected her, but I mean, obviously he
loved her because he did listen to her. But then
I think one of my favorite love stories is the
one between, um, Isaac and Rebecca. That was always one
of my faves, you know. And then of course Jacob,
that gets a little sketchy, you know, with the two sisters, and, uh,
but I really, really love the Rebecca and Isaac, um,
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love story. Any thoughts, Brian, on Grace's question?
Uh, no, I'm so glad Cheryl was here to answer
Grace's question because I am trying to fill out an
application for my, uh, daughter and my son-in-law who are
in a crisis moment because they have a loan situation
and a septic tank, yes, because I know you're looking
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at me like, why are you on your phone? I
wanna kill you.
You and now no, I'm not, I'm not doing the
dart darts or daggers. The daggers aren't coming out my
eyes because they're telling me you got to do this
right now, right now. Well, OK. Well, it's a good
thing we're coming up on a break in 5 minutes. Yes, Grace,
thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. I'll
be answering all the questions for the next 5 minutes.
Maybe we want to go to one that's already written
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out because I think most people want to hear from Brian.
The, the ones that are written out. Well, it's funny
because the next one I was gonna go to that
was written out, I wonder if that person is on
the phone. It's from Christian in West Covina, who's been
in music ministry since he was 8 years old and
is now 34 and it's still a huge part of
who he is.
Is that the same Christian that's on the phone now?
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Hey, you got him.
You got him on the line. All right, yeah, no, hey, hey,
Pastor Brian. Hey, Pastor Cheryl, how you guys doing? Great. No,
so it's funny, it's funny how, uh, how every caller
is coming, coming in, and they're talking about Genesis. Well, um,
it's a Genesis theme today. Mostly, most of the time
at the beginning of the year, people start reading through
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the Bible, so they'll call in with their Genesis questions,
but you guys must have finished early.
And uh you finished Revelation last month. So now you're
in Genesis already. Well, I think that, I think the
Holy Spirit is working in each one of us in
one accord. So we're all on the same page, I guess.
But um you know what I've seen that happen before though.
Like sometimes you'll go to a retreat and everyone's speaking
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on a different subject, but somehow it's all the same subject.
They'll all say like a repeated phrase and you're like, OK,
this must be what the spirit of the Lord wants
us all to know, or the songs will just all
go together. But I'm sorry.
Back to your point and your question, Christian.
So, so, um, so, OK, let's get into the meat
and potatoes. Um, so, Genesis, uh, I, I was curious
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because I, I'm, I'm studying under, uh, uh, uh.
A Calvary pastor right now and um
And uh as I was going through the book of
Genesis uh yesterday, the, the 6th chapter, it talks about
how the daughters of men, they bore children, right, and, um,
and how those men were mighty men and, and men
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of old and men of renown, uh, a lot of,
a lot of different pastors have different takes on that. Oh,
don't they? Yes, some speculate that they were, they were demons, and, and,
and I know, and I listened to, uh.
Um, what, Doctor McGee, I think his name is, right.
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And, and he says that that they're the, the, the
line of Seth. So I just want to see what
you guys think because Christian is just writing everybody's different
perspectives down. He's wondering what Brian is, you know what, I'm,
I'm just finishing up. I just went through last year
this archaeological Bible, which I really, really love the articles. I'm,
I'm one of those people that
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I get like a study Bible and I read every
single article, every single note, um, and all the commentaries.
I just love it, you know, because it's, it's like
having a college class, you know, as you go through
the Bible. So I just got through with an archaeological
Bible and man, it has so much fun with Genesis
chapter 6 just telling you about all the different, uh.
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Views about that chapter and then what some of the
ancient societies uh even said about the pre-flood days. I
think it's in the Legend of Gilgamesh, um, and what
it says about those days and interestingly enough, I mean,
even CS Lewis, who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia had
an interesting thought on it because, um.
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He believed that it was demons with with humans, but
he believed it was more like the Greek gods and
that the Greek gods that you read about um actually
had their um counterparts in um pre-diluvian or the pre-flood days.
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And Brian, so what is your opinion on that because
I really don't have one. I just find it just fascinating.
Chuck Nessler had one too. Yeah, he was definitely a
Nephilim guy, um.
And you know, you think of, you know, like Don Stewart,
you know, who was with us on the program for
so many years. I mean, every time this question would
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come up, his eyes on which just like it's so like,
you know, so Don, Don's take was that that it
was the sons of Seth. So he did, he didn't
like to see any, you know, supernatural thing going with it. And,
and that's a lot of people like, like Christian said, J.
Vernon McGee, you know, that, that was his take on it.
Um, I think you're, let's talk about commentators, your father, yeah,
(29:14):
we'll come back, right, for that one, yeah, we'll come back, but,
but Pastor Chuck, I think, would have leaned toward like
a nephilim, like a, like a supernatural component here, yeah,
he did, and I will.
Come back after the break and I will solve this
riddle once and for all for all. Oh, we can't wait.
We can't wait. All right, this is Pastor's perspective. Short
(29:35):
break time, and then we'll come back with more of
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But we will get an answer to the cliffhanger when
we come back from the break. It's not like we're
telling you to come back next time on Monday. No,
we're gonna answer it in just a few minutes here
on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173.
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All right, we're back on Pastor's perspective and we're finally
get an answer.
To the Nephilim question from Genesis chapter 6 from Pastor
Brian Broderson, who's here with Cheryl Broderson. Brian, right, tell us,
you know who could have given us some good insight
on this too is Bobby Conway because Bobby read, uh Nephilim.
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He's half Nephilim. Cheryl is. He is a Nephilim. His
hair is a dead giveaway.
You know, I was missing Bobby lately. I was thinking,
I was thinking about him. Maybe first of the year
we can get him on just for fun, get him on, um, OK,
going back, but, but Bobby read the book of Enoch, remember,
and he talked about it, and Enoch talks about this extensively.
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And so, um, I think many in the ancient world, uh, no,
nobody in the ancient world thought it was the sons
of Seth. That's a, that's a relatively newer idea.
I think in the ancient world it was thought that
there was somehow, and, and the problem is, of course,
we don't know how this could be, how could, you know,
spirit beings, evil spirits, you know, cohabitate with human beings. We,
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we don't know how that could be and how could
they have offspring, um, you know, we, we don't know,
but it seems like that's what the text is saying.
And I think the magnitude of the judgment would lend
itself to something so radical like that, um, that that
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explains the flood. God destroys the whole human race with
the exception of 8 people. There's a lot of people
on the earth at that time, you know, probably a billion, um,
according to some estimates, some even more.
So for the whole race to be wiped out, um, there,
there's gotta be something so evil, evil, yeah, something so
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like that is irreparable, um, so, so I do think
as weird as it is.
I, you know, there is a spiritual realm. We know
that there's a spiritual realm. There, there is a devil.
We know there's a devil. There are demonic spirits we
see in the Gospels. Jesus deals with the demonized and
delivers them and so forth. So yeah, it's, um, going
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back to Christian Christian, I do think that it is, um,
there's something supernatural. The word there we talked about Nephilim.
Earlier, the, the word Nephilim is there in the text,
and then word Nephilim means fallen ones, and so that
kind of makes sense when you think that these would
be these spirit beings that fell from there and then,
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and then Jude talks about those who left their first
estate and he seems to be referring to the same thing.
So 2 Peter and Jude both.
Seem to be referring back to some of this activity here. Excellent.
Very good, Christian. Thanks for your phone call today on
Pastor's perspective, and I will go to Matthew and Rancho
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Cucamonga listening on FM 107.9 K wave. What's your question
for us, Matthew?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hello, pastors. Uh, first of all, thank you so much
for what you guys do, and, and thank you for
taking my call. Yeah, thanks, Matthew.
I, um, I didn't come to Christ. I didn't accept
Christ as my savior until I was age 32. Uh,
I'm 54 now, and something that I've always troubled on is, uh,
is from my understanding in the Bible, it talks about
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two things that the Lord will not forgive, uh, one
of them being, uh, taking the mark of the beast,
and the other being, um,
Uh, blaspheming the Holy Spirit. When I was younger, I
was aggressive, uh, with taunting people that were Christians and whatnot,
and I've, you know, ever since I've come to Christ,
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it's something that I've been very worried about that it
won't be forgiven, and I'm just kind of curious of
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You know, Matthew, that reminds me of the apostle Paul,
who when he's describing his pre.
Christian life and his persecution of the church. He says
something so radical. He says, um, he's talking about how
he persecuted believers and he says, and I compelled them
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to blaspheme.
And you think, wow, I mean, he's like he's forcing
people to blaspheme. And so this is, you know, this
is pretty serious stuff, right? And yet Paul goes on
to say that Jesus forgave him even though he was,
he says he was an insolent man, meaning that he
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was a violently arrogant man, and he said, Jesus forgave
me so he could set an example.
That if he basically, I'm paraphrasing what Paul said, but
basically what he's saying is if Jesus could forgive me,
he could forgive anybody. That's what Paul is is getting
at there. So,
You know, that the devil would like nothing more than
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to just poke at you with this kind of thing
every now and again, you know, we're oh, but maybe you, yeah,
and the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is really resisting
the Holy Spirit to, to, you know, and the Holy Spirit, remember, um,
if you were in John chapter 16, Jesus said when
he comes, he'll convict the world of sin, uh.
Judge of righteousness and of judgment, so the Lord was
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convicting you that whole time and you were resisting the
Holy Spirit and resisting the Holy Spirit. One day you said,
I'm not gonna resist you anymore, and you gave your
life to Christ and, and at that point I would
say that you took the antitoxin, right? And the, the
toxin is if you resist, uh, Jesus, there's no salvation
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because there's no other name under heaven by which we
must be saved.
But when you received Jesus, you took the, you know,
antitoxin and you came into the kingdom of light and
so again, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the
resistance of the conviction of the Holy Spirit that Jesus
is Lord and there are people who will resist to death.
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And there's no hope if they resist Jesus unto the death.
And you are obviously not one of those people. So
you're not. So you know, just recognize their, you know,
the enemy. He, he, he harasses us. He wants to
unsettle us. Yeah, you know, he wants to any way
he can kind of just get us unsettled in any way, uh, he,
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that's what he does, you know, so just know that.
Um, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall
be saved, and you have done that. And, and Matthew,
you wouldn't be concerned about this if you weren't saved. Yeah, exactly.
You know, I mean, Satan's not always totally logical, OK,
because if you weren't saved, you, you, you wouldn't care,
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but you are saved. So you're, you know, that's why
you care. So that's a good sign. Yeah, I can,
I can imagine, Matthew, you could even think back to
the time when you
We're that other person and how you didn't care. You
didn't cross your mind to care about anything.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I, I was awful, very aggressive with it, and it's
something that I, I carry with me daily like, Lord,
forgive me for that. But, uh,
Speaker 1 (37:37):
well, you know, like I said with Paul, you know,
when Paul is writing to the Corinthians and he says
to the Corinthians, he says, um, he's talking about himself
and he says, um, you know, I was, um.
I persecuted the church and you realize that Paul lived
with that even though he was forgiven, even though he
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knew he was forgiven, you know, that was something that
he just lived with it, you know, that I, I,
I persecuted the church, um, but then he goes on
to talk about, you know, the mercy of God. So
you know Matthew too, I know that you're plagued by
this and I hope you're not, but I wish you
would take that example from Paul too.
And know that this is, is giving you compassion and
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for those who are blasphemers to know, OK, I used
to be like that, they're not as far gone as I,
I think that they, as they appear to be, you know,
because I remember myself, I had a woman once that
I did an interview with and her whole testimony was
that she used to be a God hater.
And she talked about how she just hated God and
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any mention of God would just send her, you know,
just flare her temper so bad. And then she came
to the Lord and she said it had given her
this deeper compassion.
And when people were acting like that, she's like, you're
just like me, you're not that far from the kingdom,
you know, and so let it, let the Lord use
it for His glory to help you to recognize that nobody,
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as long as they've got breath, as long as they've
got breath, there is hope. Can you imagine how that
hits to somebody.
Who's over here mocking God, blaspheming God, whatever, and somebody says,
Oh yeah, you're pretty close. You'll probably be in church
next year or something. And they're probably like, What? No, no,
that's the last thing I want. You're crazy. And then
a year later, yeah, you throw a rock into a, um,
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pack of wolves, and the one that cries is the,
you know, the loudest is the one that got hit.
That's not in the Bible.
I, I love, I love to tell the story, um,
I tell it occasionally of back in the 18th century
revival in England, um, George Whitfield was one of the,
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you know, he was one of the key figures there
who was preaching to tens of thousands of people and,
you know, God was using him in an extraordinary way,
but he had many, many, many, um, people who opposed
him and people would follow him, these antagonists, you know,
they would follow him from place to place and they
would mock him and
They would throw like.
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Pieces of dead animals at him and you know rotten
vegetables and you know all this horrible stuff and there
was one particular guy who was sort of the ringleader
and his name was um Mr. Thorpe and he learned
how to mimic Whitfield like so much so that he
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could draw a crowd.
And they would think they were listening to Whitfield because
he was able to, um, you know, do an impersonation
of him so well. And one day, um, at, at
one of these events when he got up on his
soapbox to do a, um, to do, you know, to
mimic and mock Whitfield.
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He, he was, he was preaching a Whitfield sermon.
And he came under conviction and he fell to his
knees and he repented on the spot and he became
one of the greatest protagonists of the Ministry of Whitfield
into the future and for the rest of his life.
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Every time I hear that story, that is just so
typically a God thing, you know.
Matthew, thanks for your phone call. Let's go to Vegas.
Here is Jim listening on Kwave.com. Hey, Jim, thanks for
calling in today.
Yeah, thanks for having me. Um, I don't wanna say
that long time listener, first time caller, but it's true.
(41:42):
Alright, uh, from, yeah, I've been listening to you guys
probably since 20.
2010 I guess. So wow, that is a long time.
What took you so long to call in?
Well, I don't know, I just, um.
I always like to listen and and definitely like to
call it's probably one of the things why I'm talking
about is anxiety and um I've dealt with this about
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20 years I guess um we're speaking in public.
And it's something that, you know, I pray on. I've
read all the scriptures I could think of Joshua 1:9,
Timothy 1:7.
And over and over, and I just finished.
Chuck Smith, uh, work for the day Bible. My wife
got that one for me a couple of years ago,
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and he's got some good notes in there. I just
Don't know what's causing it. I've read the secular reasons
for it because, you know, a lot of it's pride,
which I don't think I'm a prideful person, uh, concerned
about what people think, which I don't really have that issue.
I've been married 30 years, my wife could attest to that,
but anyway, um, I don't know what's causing it, and
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once I have to do it about 2 minutes in, it's,
it's completely gone. It's just the build up to it.
That causes the anxiety. And, and what, what, what is
it that you do? Is it it's public speaking or
is it just um social speaking and public speaking or
just social speaking or both public speaking. I'm in social
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like doing presentations and stuff social environments. I really don't
have a problem. Do you do that.
Is that part of your, um, job, like your job, Jim?
Do you do that every once in a while it is, yeah,
like every, I, I have to go to Washington, um,
on Monday, and I'm dreading that the usual dread comes
(43:33):
across and then, uh, every February we have a, like
a summit and it's like, oh, it's December, a great
2 more months to February and it starts to creep in. Um,
it's just really frustrating. I've had it for 20 years
and I've heard.
You know, Greg Laurie say it's number, number one on
of all the phobias and right above death, so most
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people at the funeral would rather be in the coffin
and doing the eulogy, right, so.
I get that. Yeah, but you know what, it probably
is something, yeah, yeah, you know, I'm just saying that,
saying that and just, you know, saying that first. I
bet you get everybody just loving you.
Right away because they relate to crack jokes when I,
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when I used to teach, um, teach kids, I would,
you know, tell them jokes and they would lighten up
and stuff even in front of the kids, but I,
you know, I would get, I would get used to it.
Like I said, 2 or 3 minutes into it, it's gone, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and it's just, it is just what it is. I
just want to say this too, Jim. I mean, you know,
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you are one of millions of people who, who battle
with this. This is not.
This is not, um, really that unusual, you know, um,
I mean I know guys and, and I can still
be this way a little bit now, but you know
I've been preaching for 40+ years so I, I have
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kind of come to a place, not 100% of the time,
but almost that where I'm pretty relaxed and I'm free
and I, you know, I'm, I'm not thinking about it
or worrying about it, but, but I had many years where, um.
I, I mean, I used to kind of just dread
like the Bible studies that I was giving because it's like,
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oh no, I gotta, I gotta get up there again
and I gotta do that, you know, and um,
And then like if I was asked to speak at
a conference or something, you know, it's a big honor
to speak at a conference, but at the same time,
it's like the anxiety is so bad. It's like, I'd
rather just not have the honor, you know, to not
to not have to deal with the anxiety. Um.
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And so I guess what I'm, I'm trying to encourage
you that you're not alone. And I think it's, I
think it's great that you, you know, that you do
press in and you do press through it. And I
would love to tell you, hey, do this and then
you won't even have the anxiety anymore, but I don't
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know what the answer to that is. But I would say,
you know, just.
And I'm sure you're doing this, but I would just say,
you know, the, the applications may be a little bit different,
but Jesus, remember Jesus said when you're brought, you're gonna
be brought before kings and rulers and so forth, and
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don't worry, uh, in that hour what what you're gonna
say because it's not gonna be you who speak with
your father. Now, obviously you're going to lecture or speak
or whatever and you're not, you know, it's, it's not that, but.
You're a child of God.
You are a witness regardless and you're standing up in
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front of people and I all I'm saying is I
think you can say, Lord.
Um, just help me with this, and you can have
confidence that he will help you.
Um, I heard a famous speaker say that every time
she speaks, she has less security, not more security. If
you knew, if I mention the name, I don't know
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if she'd want me to say this publicly, but if
I mention her name, you'll be like her, but that
she has less security. But I find, uh, because, you know,
I think everyone who speaks publicly has had those anxieties
before and I know I have, you know, depending on
the audience and the people. I had a friend who said.
Um, she's a chaplain at a jail and she said
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she has no anxiety speaking to prisoners, but when she
had to do a junior high retreat, she wanted to die.
She was so scared. She said they're worse than the prisoners, but, uh,
what I was gonna say is that you can use
it as a faith thing, Lord, I'm doing this for
you and I need you and you can lean into
Jesus and I think that the Lord, um, makes it
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count double when he knows it's hard for you.
And that you're still doing it anyway. I think that
you get double points. I just do and because the
Lord knows the cost and how hard it is and
so I again I think we've all been there at
one time or another and it, it is just pressing
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and you're still doing it and that's so admirable and
I'm sorry we couldn't give you any tips like pretend
they're all in diapers or something like that but you know.
Yeah, is, are we helping you at all? Yeah, I've
always heard God, you know, he's telling me, just don't
worry about it. I'm here, I'll never abandon you. And,
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and he, every time I've tried to turn things down,
I don't do this anymore, but in the past I
would feel like.
All right, God's calling me to do this, and I'm
turning it down, and so, and I wouldn't feel condemned.
I just wouldn't feel comfortable. So I, I really don't
turn down, um, the last 10 years. I don't turn
down these opportunities before I would say, look, I don't
really want to do it, but you know, I never
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wanted to do it in the first place, and God
just kept putting all these events in front of me
to do these things and then, um, I got promoted
to my job without even asking. He just.
Through the Lord, I keep getting promoted up and up
with more opportunities to speak. I'm like, thanks God, but
I really, uh, yeah, pretty soon they're gonna say, Jim,
our greeter, you know, Jim, Jim, you're our best speaker.
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You're our best speaker. We're, we're gonna put you right
in the top slot. Too bad you don't have a
brother named Aaron and who could just, you know, come
alongside you and do it for you, because that's true.
Moses had the same issues.
Correct, I've read that a million times.
But, but here's what I wanna, this is what I
really want to encourage you with. Don't, you know, all,
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all these theories, you know, everybody has a theory. Oh,
it's your pride or it's, you know, the different things
people have told you. You know, just tune that out.
I mean, it's, it's not that stuff like your wife says.
It's not, you know, if you're prideful, your wife will
tell you. Believe me, my wife is very good, she's
a pride detector.
So don't, um, you know, the, the well intended person
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that is gonna, well, this is really what's going on.
It's like, well, actually you don't know. And even when
it comes to anxiety and these kinds of things, even
in the the world of
Uh, psychology, psychiatry, whichever, you know, where, where, where you
happen to be in that, they don't even know exactly
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what causes this stuff. So,
Yeah, but hey, be encouraged. You're not alone. Jim. Thanks
for your phone call. Now let's talk to Mike in Yucaipa.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Mike.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
What's your question?
Oh, thank you guys. Um, so I'm a big pickleball fan, right?
And a, a bunch of the groups are Mormons that
I play with. And, um, you know, they keep approaching
me and they say that they believe in the same
Jesus and um that, that they're Christians. So I went
to a couple of their Bible studies.
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And a lot of the stuff they were saying was
really far out there, like, um, you know, they want,
they're gonna become gods one day if they reach the
third level of heaven. And um I just want to
know where they, I know where they get those scriptures from. But,
you know, like one says John 1:12.
Um, but as many as received him gave he the
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power to become the sons of God.
And like
They're putting all their faith in Joseph Smith, I believe,
you know, like their ultimate goal is not to be
with Jesus, you know, and worship Him for eternity. Their
ultimate goal is to be a God, you know. I
just want to know, like,
Speaker 1 (51:43):
yeah, well,
Speaker 2 (51:44):
what do they get the
Speaker 1 (51:45):
scriptures from? Yeah, I mean, you know, the scriptures, they're
just taking out of context, and they, they have, they
have their doctrinal position that they've embraced through that particular, um.
Idea, Brigham Young, who was the 2nd, you know, after
Justice Smith died, uh, Brigham Young became the, the leader
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of Mormonism.
Or Latter Day Saints and um he said as God
is man once was and is um.
Wait, wait, I always get this backwards now, OK, as
God is, um.
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So man, God was once a man.
Mhm. And um he became a god.
And so, um, as man is, oh here it is,
as man is God once was and as God is
man will become.
So the idea is that God used to be a
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man and he elevated, uh, himself to the position of
being God and this is where you know you have
your own planet and you have your many wives and
you know, all of this sort of thing. Uh, so,
so this is what Brigham Young said in I think
it's in uh the doctrine and covenants. I'm not sure
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if that's the exact place where it's referenced, but.
So then what you do is then you try to
find some biblical support for it. So you pull out
something like, you know, John 1:12, which doesn't say anything
of the sort, but you just try to, you know,
make it fit. So there there's there's no biblical basis
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for these doctrines. These are false teachings.
That they try to, um, you know, sort of shore
up with Bible verses that are out of context.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, they also always bring up like Psalms 82. We
are children of God. They believe that we are literally
children of God, not.
You know, not, not sons of God, but like literally
children and, and, um, I just talked to him and I,
I try to bring up the verses that where it says,
I think it's in Revelations and one's in Galatians where
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it says you should not take or add anything, you know,
you'll be cursed and like they have, they have an
answer for everything, but they're really good friends of mine.
I just wanted to know is this something that can separate.
Salvation for them
Like
Because they still believe in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, yeah, the problem, you know, the problem is they,
they do believe in a different Jesus, really, you know,
he's not the, the Jesus of scripture, uh, he's not
the Jesus of historic Christian faith, and
You know, but again, you know, a lot of, a
lot of times they're, they're well versed in what they
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believe and they can.
You know, they can hold their own in a conversation
because they know, know enough Bible verses, even though, like
I said, they're, they're out of context, um, most of
the time, probably just for your own.
Benefit and for the opportunities that you have through the friendship,
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you know, maybe just do some research on um what
they believe and in comparison with what the scriptures say
and just be ready to give an answer when the
opportunity arises. There is that book my dad used to
love um.
What is it? God loves you, my Mormon. Uh, no,
Jesus loves you, yeah, but it's close to that title.
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Oh darn. I don't know. I wish I did. It
was good. There's plenty of stuff out there, so.
Yeah. OK, very good. Mike, thanks for calling us today
on Pastor's Perspective. That's all the time we have on
today's episode. Sonia, Jeff, Elsa, Spencer, everyone else who couldn't
get through this week, we'll be back on Monday. We'll
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Well, Brian, it is great to see you as well,
but I did see you yesterday. Yes, that's true. And
there's a person in this room that you haven't seen, and,
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That's what I was about to say, that it's always
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just to help you if you have motion sickness and
it's just to help you if, uh, if you're, uh,
pregnant and you're, um, got morning sickness and stuff like that.
So yeah, vertigo is awful. It's just like the worst.
So it was, it was pretty traumatic, horrible. I witnessed
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it all with my own eyes. It was crazy because,
you know, here we are walking and all of a
sudden the um.
The scenery just kept jerking on me. And so I
grabbed him. I said, I hope you don't mind and
poor guy. I grabbed him on his vest, his walking vest,
and I was just gripping it and I knew the
zipper must be pulling up around his neck. And I'm like,
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I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. He's like, it's OK.
It's OK. Just keep holding on. I'm like, thank you,
thank you. I said, she ain't heavy, she's my woman.
Yeah, I'm so glad you didn't, and the car was
5 miles away, right? No, no, no, the car was
at home, our house, but you had, you had walked
the 5 miles. We, it's about 1 mile to this
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really cool trail. I heard something about 5 miles. Yeah,
Talbot Park, Talbert Park is really, it's about 1 mile
from our house, and it's just this incredible nature center
off of Placentia.
And I love to walk there. I walked there a
lot without Brian, which he's like, I don't think you
should do that now. And I'm like, maybe not. On
this day we decided, let's just walk all the way
to the beach because that's where the Santa Ana River
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Trail is, so you can actually take it all the
way to the beach, and it's really fun to do,
and we're.
Like, OK, let's just do it. And so we'd walked
about 5 miles and we were almost to the beach.
And all of a sudden, I said, wow, I'm, I'm
feeling kind of wobbly. And, you know, things are kind
of like, it's, I'm feeling a little vertigo. And he's like, OK, OK.
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So we kept walking.
And by the time we got to the beach, he
had to use the restroom and when he went into
the restroom, I had to grab like a wall and
just hold on to it and the dog was thirsty.
So I'm trying to turn the water on for the dog,
but I can't even look at the dog. I just
have to find a focal point. By this time I'm
really sick. And so, um, when we were walking back
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then I was just really, it was, I was getting
worse and worse and I kept finding.
Uh, trying to find focal points and, um, it was bad.
By the time we got home, I couldn't stop throwing up.
It was pretty gross. Sorry, sorry for all those. I'm 65.
You tell all your symptoms. This is what you do
when you get with your friends. Start talking about how
sick you were. It's kind of sad. It's a sign
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of age. You know what my mom said to me,
she said, you know you're old when you count out
the change.
For, you know, when you buy something and I always
find myself like, OK, and that's 52 cents. Let's see,
I've got a quarter. I've got 2 times. I've got
a nickel. Oh, and here it is, 2 pennies. I'm like,
I am old. I am, I am my mother's daughter.
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And then you find 5 more pennies in your pocket.
You go, oh wait, give me back that.
Nickel. Here's 5 pennies instead, and it drives the cashier crazy.
So I'm old too. I love pennies. I like pennies because,
you know, they're taking them out of circulation. They might
be worth more. Yeah, they will. They already are. In fact,
it costs more money to, sorry, Brian, to make a
nickel than a nickel is worth.
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So a nickel's worth 5 cents, and I think they
were saying it costs like 6 or 7 cents to
make a nickel. So nickels and pennies are both going
out of circulation. Listen, just in case you guys don't know,
there's a whole generation of people who don't even know
what a nickel is. They don't know what a dime is.
They don't know what a quarter is. Who is this?
Generation Is this the beta generation because they were just
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born in 1920 I mean 2020. They are our grandchildren's age. No,
most of our grandchildren, maybe the youngest our grandchildren would
know that because we taught them, hey, here's a quarter. Yeah, no,
we did not. Here's a nickel for your homework. We
did not.
Oh OK.
Now, now that we gave the health update, health update
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and money update and the and the currency update, um, Cheryl,
give the women's coffee coffee. That's right. That's gonna be
so fun.
That's tomorrow and that's like, that was my goal to
try to get better for the Christmas coffee. So the
Christmas coffee tomorrow is at 9:30 and I'm very excited
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because it's Carmen Imes and I had the privilege of
interviewing her on Women Worth Knowing and it was, it
was so fun because, um, for those who don't know,
I do a podcast all about women, uh, throughout history
and even to present day who have loved Jesus and
who have, you know, um, kind of.
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Um, done these things that nobody really regards and I
want people to know who these women are. So I
did Carmen Imes. Brian recommended Carmen and uh she's a
professor at Viola. She's like amazing and what was really
fun is that Carmen had read all of the Christie
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Miller books that Robin had written.
So and Robin's your co-host. Robin's my co-host, and so
those two hit it off. It was like, and hey,
I'm here. No, I'm just kidding. Carmen was amazing, very gracious, brilliant. Oh,
she's so smart and she's so fun. I mean, she
laughs easily and she's just got a great sense of humor,
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so she's going to be sharing and you get that brilliancy,
you get that humor and you get that deep spirituality,
but there's also.
Um, special treats for everyone who comes. They always have
a gift for everyone who comes, and they also have, um,
a special like, uh, food, and then there's a great
big market that you can shop for and most of
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the gifts are, um, homemade and really fun. Uh my
friend Margaret's gonna have a vintage booth and she's been
collecting a lot of vintage things, so she's super, super excited.
I asked her if she wanted all my old grocery
bags so she could put those is that the stuff
she was carrying out of our house, all that vintage stuff.
When was that? I'm just kidding. Oh, you better stop that.
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She's gonna be selling nickels and pennies. I'm getting a
little concerned about you. You're, you're making up stories about
our grandkids. You're talking about my friend going through the doors,
you know, I've had, I've had vertigo, so I don't
know what you're up to.
And when this was happening, yes, I'm listening to the
rest of History podcast and having fun. Did you know,
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did you know that the rest of history, oh wait,
it's at 9:30 tomorrow, um, and the study is actually
at 10 o'clock and it's gonna be $20 at the door.
But if you buy your ticket right now, right now,
this second online.
Until about 12 o'clock tonight if you buy it online,
it's 15, but it's gonna go up 5 so it
does not pay to be late and there's and there's
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a reason that they're charging. There's a um they're giving to.
A voice of the refugees, of the refugee too. But
plus you're getting a gift and plus you get, you know,
and you can register at women.ccm.com. Go there, scroll down where,
where it says Christmas coffee, click there and you can get, uh,
the schedule and everything else, including the link. What's wonderful, yeah,
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this is something that my mother started way back when.
Remember Brian? I think she started doing these Christmas coffees
and a coffee because my mom didn't do tea. Everybody
else is doing teas and she's like, I don't like tea.
So we had to do a Christmas coffee and she
started this, uh, sometime in 1980s for you worked for me.
I do actually tea or coffee, but it does work, um,
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but she started.
Way back when. And this was her like pet project
and she loved these Christmas coffees. So it's, it's, you know, it's,
it's definitely about Jesus, but also it's a, it's a
tribute to my mom who has no idea because she's
enjoying heaven so much but.
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I'll tell her when I get there. Mom, you'd be
so blessed how we kept doing those Christmas coffees. Yep.
All right, so sign up at women.ccm.com Saturday, December 6th, tomorrow, and, uh, yeah,
it'd be great if you could be there, ladies. 888-564-6173
is the number to call and let's go to the phones. Uh,
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who was it? Jesse hung up. So we're gonna go
to Jose in Fullerton. Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Jose.
Hi, uh, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I, I just wanna say thank you to, uh,
Pastor Brian. Uh, I attend Calvary Chapel, uh, Costa Mesa,
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and I've been enjoying CHR, but, uh, Pastor Brian, uh,
thank you so much. Over the years you've really helped, uh,
me and my family quite a bit, and, uh, we
had a chance, uh, just a couple of weeks, just
after the, the meeting just.
For me to share with you the a need of
prayer and uh thank you so much. Uh, the question
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I had had to do with uh the word create
and the word made or make um I was reading
the Bible and then there's a passage in the Bible
where he says, hey, you search the scriptures for and
then you think you might find life, but they, they
talk about me so I went back with
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Thinking about that and then Genesis, I, oh my gosh,
I began to see Christ just in every verse, and uh,
I'm reading Genesis and um I see that the order
in which God created things, um, and I thought wow,
that's really God's in all of it, especially day 3
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it's not a coincidence that.
The Lord asked the waters to be collected in one
place and the dry land to appear on the 3rd
day and then life begins, right? So, so what's your
main question, Jose?
Well, the question had to do with right after that
there's a mention of and then the Lord made the
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earth and the heavens, so then it's a different word
altogether and it's reversed from creating the heavens and the earth.
There the next verse after the 7th day, it says
this is now.
The day that the Lord made the earth and the heavens,
and then, so I just wanted.
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Why there's a difference there in in in the order.
Is that what you mean, Jose, why there's a difference
in the order?
Yeah, first it was create and then afterwards it's made,
not the, not, not create the heavens and the earth.
Now it says the earth and the heavens. Yeah, and,
and it's a great, it is a great question. And
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actually there are two different Hebrew words that are used
and the one word create is the Hebrew word Baa,
which would be a reference to God bringing everything into
existence out of nothing.
And so in the beginning God created Bara, the, the
heaven and the earth. He brought them into existence. And then, um,
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like for example when it says, um, and the Lord
God made two great lights, uh, made is the word, uh,
Asa is the Hebrew word, and that word means more
to assemble.
Uh, exist, you know, something that already exists, it's assembling
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it or putting it in its place.
And so the idea is that Genesis 11 is a
summary statement. In the beginning, God created the heavens and
the earth, um, but then we go into the details
of how, uh, everything was assembled and Barra is only
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used after the very first verse to refer to the
creation of the, um, the invisible part of the creature.
And so, um, like when it's referring to the animals
and it's referring to the breath of life, the nephe
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is the Hebrew word there, that the nephe is again
created Barra out of nothing, and this would be true
with man. So man is assembled because he's made out
of the dust of the earth. Assa, he's made.
But then God breathes into him the breath of life,
and this is where the Barra, uh, idea comes in
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that that man is, um, now God brings uh his
spiritual life, um, from nothing.
Any thoughts, Cheryl? I like it.
All right, Jose, thanks for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective. Yes,
and thank you, Jose, for the and see you on Sunday.
Encouraging words. Yes, for sure. Um, I will not see
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him on Sunday. Oh no, that's right, because you're at
Christ Point. I'm at Point Church on Sunday. Yes. Oh, OK.
But what about Sunday night? I could see. Oh yeah, Sunday,
Sunday night. I just reminded him. You did remind me,
and you know what I did.
A video yesterday and forgot to post it. Uh, yeah,
Sunday night, we will be there for Back to Basics
Live and we finished the book of Acts. And last
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week we had a sweet time of worship and prayer.
And this Sunday night, we're gonna have the next two
Sunday nights, we're gonna have, um, kind of advent type
of messages, you know, just looking at the birth of Jesus.
So that's what we'll do, yeah.
And our friend Hannah is going to be there to
lead us in some Christmas songs. Oh, Hannah Shchramm. Yes, fun, fun. 888-564-6173.
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Since we're on the topic of creation, here's a question
that was sent in online from Jeffrey in San Bernardino,
who writes, there are various animals which are dangerous to man.
But there are animals that are classified as full-on man eaters.
They actually hunt and feed on man lions, jaguars, polar bears, crocodiles.
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Why is there a biblical reason why animals created by
God hunt His creation that was made in His image?
Does Genesis say man shall, doesn't, doesn't Genesis say that
man shall have dominion over the animals? What do you
guys think? Well, there's, uh, there's two words the fall.
It's when sin entered the world, it, it altered all
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creation and it just changed it. It changed, it took
away the, the purpose and you know, it turned, um,
you know, roses to weeds, you know, that's what you find.
It's like God's like, do you realize what you've done?
The earth is now cursed and we're told also in, uh,
is it Romans chapter 8 that the world also is
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under a curse and God.
He cursed the world. It says in um Genesis that
God actually cursed the world for man's sake. So if
you still had a good earth and you had, you know,
a bad man, the earth would, you know, vomit the
man off because it was good and man was bad.
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So God had to curse the earth and so he
put everything on a curse under the curse, uh, so
that we could all be liberated together by Jesus Christ,
you know, um.
Years ago, somebody wrote a play, actually a story to
illustrate this fact, and the story is called Sleeping Beauty.
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I've heard of that. I've heard of that. So the
movie Sleeping Beauty, not the movie, but the actual story
was written as an allegory, and um when the princess,
you know, um, goes into the lair of the evil witch,
she's where she shouldn't be.
And she reaches out and she touches the spindle, which
you know is like the fruit and takes it and
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she becomes cursed and only true love. To the spindle,
touch it, touch it, I say, but only that we've
only seen it like 3000 times.
But when she touches it, it's like Eve taking the fruit,
the forbidden, and you know it's so she'll die, but
you remember um.
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The three fairies, uh, Florafauna and Merriweather, but in.
The actual allegory, they were faith, hope and love. They,
they reverse the curse and uh make it just sleeping
until true love. And so the whole kingdom is put
under the curse. The whole kingdom is put um.
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To sleep until that prince who is the savior can
arise and bring true love and then everything comes back
to life and you see the thorns in the movie
turned into roses and so that's that was an allegory
of what.
Genesis is teaching us that God put the whole earth
under a curse for man's sake. So when the curse happened, um, animals,
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and what we see too in the millennium, um, in
Isaiah is that Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 35, you see
that the animals go back to eating, um, they, they
go back to being vegans.
Vegetarians.
Yeah, yeah, are you done? OK, I'm looking to you. No, I, yeah,
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because I'm looking at the Genesis passage and like you're saying, um,
you know, because of the sin, God says cursed is
the ground for your sake, and then your sake, and
then thorns and thistles it shall bring forth, and you
shall eat the herb of the field, the sweat of
your face, and, and so forth, and you know, from
dust until you return to the dust from which you
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were taken.
For, um, you know, from dust you came to dust
you shall return. But then like you said, when you
go into these wonderful promises of the kingdom.
We see that when Jesus returns this is all reversed
and so the wolf and the lamb uh shall, uh,
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lie down together and the lion will eat straw like
the ox and a little child shall lead the bear
and the children will play near the cobra's den and
not be fearful.
And these are the, you know, the beautiful promises of
the reversal of the curse. That's really the reversal of
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the curse. Jeffrey, thanks for sending in your question through
the pastor's perspective page at kwave.com. Now let's talk to Grace.
We could all use Grace. Grace in Los Angeles, thanks
for calling in today and thanks for listening on FM
107.9 Kwave.
Hello. How is everyone doing this afternoon?
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We're doing great. Thank you.
Good, good. It's amazing how every question before my question
has to do with my question. I wanna talk on,
I have a question about the um
Love in the garden.
In creation, because my, I'm working on a study about
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how God is, you know, we know God is love
and God is eternal, but how do, before the fall,
what are some symbols, if any, of God's love.
In the garden or in the.
Well, let's creation, yeah, let's, I don't know if I'm
saying it, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, but you know, um,
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I don't know. I think you're gonna have to search
for those. Maybe Brian's got some ideas, but the first
mention actually of love in the Bible is not in
the garden, but it's actually when God tells Abraham to
sacrifice his son, his only son whom you love, and
that's actually the first mention of love in the Bible,
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and I think that's um.
You know, I think that's very significant because he's saying
the highest love, Abraham is the love that you have
for Isaac and it's, it's God saying my highest love
is for my son and just even as this is
so hard for you to sacrifice your son, this is
what it's gonna be for me when I sacrifice my son.
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But I think that um in order to see love
in the garden, I think you're just gonna have to
see it in the genius of his creation.
And the, the fact of the freedom of putting them
in this beautiful, it says God planted a garden. I
just love that idea of God planting a garden and
putting all these incredible fruit trees and putting a man
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and woman in the garden and saying, you know, be
fruitful and and multiple.
Apply and then walking among them in the cool of
the garden every, every day. So I think that I
think that you're going to have to see love by
implication rather than, you know, by a word or something obvious.
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Does that help at all?
Yeah, cause I, I was actually, I've been working on
this for a while and I was struggling. I'm like,
I'm gonna call Pastor's perspective. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, that's always
a good idea. I was, see if I was missing something,
I'm like,
I'm trying to find a more obvious inference because I'm
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trying to reach out to people who don't believe, right, right,
so that's where that whole, yeah, there's no hallmark story
though in Genesis one.
But there, you know, I mean, once you get further in,
I mean I just think that and then the Abraham,
I don't know what how good a husband he is
if he gives Sarah away twice, you know.
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But God really protected her, but I mean, obviously he
loved her because he did listen to her. But then
I think one of my favorite love stories is the
one between, um, Isaac and Rebecca. That was always one
of my faves, you know. And then of course Jacob,
that gets a little sketchy, you know, with the two sisters, and, uh,
but I really, really love the Rebecca and Isaac, um,
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love story. Any thoughts, Brian, on Grace's question?
Uh, no, I'm so glad Cheryl was here to answer
Grace's question because I am trying to fill out an
application for my, uh, daughter and my son-in-law who are
in a crisis moment because they have a loan situation
and a septic tank, yes, because I know you're looking
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at me like, why are you on your phone? I
wanna kill you.
You and now no, I'm not, I'm not doing the
dart darts or daggers. The daggers aren't coming out my
eyes because they're telling me you got to do this
right now, right now. Well, OK. Well, it's a good
thing we're coming up on a break in 5 minutes. Yes, Grace,
thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. I'll
be answering all the questions for the next 5 minutes.
Maybe we want to go to one that's already written
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out because I think most people want to hear from Brian.
The, the ones that are written out. Well, it's funny
because the next one I was gonna go to that
was written out, I wonder if that person is on
the phone. It's from Christian in West Covina, who's been
in music ministry since he was 8 years old and
is now 34 and it's still a huge part of
who he is.
Is that the same Christian that's on the phone now?
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Hey, you got him.
You got him on the line. All right, yeah, no, hey, hey,
Pastor Brian. Hey, Pastor Cheryl, how you guys doing? Great. No,
so it's funny, it's funny how, uh, how every caller
is coming, coming in, and they're talking about Genesis. Well, um,
it's a Genesis theme today. Mostly, most of the time
at the beginning of the year, people start reading through
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the Bible, so they'll call in with their Genesis questions,
but you guys must have finished early.
And uh you finished Revelation last month. So now you're
in Genesis already. Well, I think that, I think the
Holy Spirit is working in each one of us in
one accord. So we're all on the same page, I guess.
But um you know what I've seen that happen before though.
Like sometimes you'll go to a retreat and everyone's speaking
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on a different subject, but somehow it's all the same subject.
They'll all say like a repeated phrase and you're like, OK,
this must be what the spirit of the Lord wants
us all to know, or the songs will just all
go together. But I'm sorry.
Back to your point and your question, Christian.
So, so, um, so, OK, let's get into the meat
and potatoes. Um, so, Genesis, uh, I, I was curious
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because I, I'm, I'm studying under, uh, uh, uh.
A Calvary pastor right now and um
And uh as I was going through the book of
Genesis uh yesterday, the, the 6th chapter, it talks about
how the daughters of men, they bore children, right, and, um,
and how those men were mighty men and, and men
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of old and men of renown, uh, a lot of,
a lot of different pastors have different takes on that. Oh,
don't they? Yes, some speculate that they were, they were demons, and, and,
and I know, and I listened to, uh.
Um, what, Doctor McGee, I think his name is, right.
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And, and he says that that they're the, the, the
line of Seth. So I just want to see what
you guys think because Christian is just writing everybody's different
perspectives down. He's wondering what Brian is, you know what, I'm,
I'm just finishing up. I just went through last year
this archaeological Bible, which I really, really love the articles. I'm,
I'm one of those people that
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I get like a study Bible and I read every
single article, every single note, um, and all the commentaries.
I just love it, you know, because it's, it's like
having a college class, you know, as you go through
the Bible. So I just got through with an archaeological
Bible and man, it has so much fun with Genesis
chapter 6 just telling you about all the different, uh.
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Views about that chapter and then what some of the
ancient societies uh even said about the pre-flood days. I
think it's in the Legend of Gilgamesh, um, and what
it says about those days and interestingly enough, I mean,
even CS Lewis, who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia had
an interesting thought on it because, um.
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He believed that it was demons with with humans, but
he believed it was more like the Greek gods and
that the Greek gods that you read about um actually
had their um counterparts in um pre-diluvian or the pre-flood days.
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And Brian, so what is your opinion on that because
I really don't have one. I just find it just fascinating.
Chuck Nessler had one too. Yeah, he was definitely a
Nephilim guy, um.
And you know, you think of, you know, like Don Stewart,
you know, who was with us on the program for
so many years. I mean, every time this question would
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come up, his eyes on which just like it's so like,
you know, so Don, Don's take was that that it
was the sons of Seth. So he did, he didn't
like to see any, you know, supernatural thing going with it. And,
and that's a lot of people like, like Christian said, J.
Vernon McGee, you know, that, that was his take on it.
Um, I think you're, let's talk about commentators, your father, yeah,
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we'll come back, right, for that one, yeah, we'll come back, but,
but Pastor Chuck, I think, would have leaned toward like
a nephilim, like a, like a supernatural component here, yeah,
he did, and I will.
Come back after the break and I will solve this
riddle once and for all for all. Oh, we can't wait.
We can't wait. All right, this is Pastor's perspective. Short
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break time, and then we'll come back with more of
your questions, huh? It's a cliffhanger. It's a cliffhanger. That's right, 888-564-6173.
But we will get an answer to the cliffhanger when
we come back from the break. It's not like we're
telling you to come back next time on Monday. No,
we're gonna answer it in just a few minutes here
on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173.
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All right, we're back on Pastor's perspective and we're finally
get an answer.
To the Nephilim question from Genesis chapter 6 from Pastor
Brian Broderson, who's here with Cheryl Broderson. Brian, right, tell us,
you know who could have given us some good insight
on this too is Bobby Conway because Bobby read, uh Nephilim.
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He's half Nephilim. Cheryl is. He is a Nephilim. His
hair is a dead giveaway.
You know, I was missing Bobby lately. I was thinking,
I was thinking about him. Maybe first of the year
we can get him on just for fun, get him on, um, OK,
going back, but, but Bobby read the book of Enoch, remember,
and he talked about it, and Enoch talks about this extensively.
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And so, um, I think many in the ancient world, uh, no,
nobody in the ancient world thought it was the sons
of Seth. That's a, that's a relatively newer idea.
I think in the ancient world it was thought that
there was somehow, and, and the problem is, of course,
we don't know how this could be, how could, you know,
spirit beings, evil spirits, you know, cohabitate with human beings. We,
(31:26):
we don't know how that could be and how could
they have offspring, um, you know, we, we don't know,
but it seems like that's what the text is saying.
And I think the magnitude of the judgment would lend
itself to something so radical like that, um, that that
(31:50):
explains the flood. God destroys the whole human race with
the exception of 8 people. There's a lot of people
on the earth at that time, you know, probably a billion, um,
according to some estimates, some even more.
So for the whole race to be wiped out, um, there,
there's gotta be something so evil, evil, yeah, something so
(32:14):
like that is irreparable, um, so, so I do think
as weird as it is.
I, you know, there is a spiritual realm. We know
that there's a spiritual realm. There, there is a devil.
We know there's a devil. There are demonic spirits we
see in the Gospels. Jesus deals with the demonized and
delivers them and so forth. So yeah, it's, um, going
(32:36):
back to Christian Christian, I do think that it is, um,
there's something supernatural. The word there we talked about Nephilim.
Earlier, the, the word Nephilim is there in the text,
and then word Nephilim means fallen ones, and so that
kind of makes sense when you think that these would
be these spirit beings that fell from there and then,
(32:59):
and then Jude talks about those who left their first
estate and he seems to be referring to the same thing.
So 2 Peter and Jude both.
Seem to be referring back to some of this activity here. Excellent.
Very good, Christian. Thanks for your phone call today on
Pastor's perspective, and I will go to Matthew and Rancho
(33:21):
Cucamonga listening on FM 107.9 K wave. What's your question
for us, Matthew?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hello, pastors. Uh, first of all, thank you so much
for what you guys do, and, and thank you for
taking my call. Yeah, thanks, Matthew.
I, um, I didn't come to Christ. I didn't accept
Christ as my savior until I was age 32. Uh,
I'm 54 now, and something that I've always troubled on is, uh,
is from my understanding in the Bible, it talks about
(33:49):
two things that the Lord will not forgive, uh, one
of them being, uh, taking the mark of the beast,
and the other being, um,
Uh, blaspheming the Holy Spirit. When I was younger, I
was aggressive, uh, with taunting people that were Christians and whatnot,
and I've, you know, ever since I've come to Christ,
(34:11):
it's something that I've been very worried about that it
won't be forgiven, and I'm just kind of curious of
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You know, Matthew, that reminds me of the apostle Paul,
who when he's describing his pre.
Christian life and his persecution of the church. He says
something so radical. He says, um, he's talking about how
he persecuted believers and he says, and I compelled them
(34:39):
to blaspheme.
And you think, wow, I mean, he's like he's forcing
people to blaspheme. And so this is, you know, this
is pretty serious stuff, right? And yet Paul goes on
to say that Jesus forgave him even though he was,
he says he was an insolent man, meaning that he
(35:01):
was a violently arrogant man, and he said, Jesus forgave
me so he could set an example.
That if he basically, I'm paraphrasing what Paul said, but
basically what he's saying is if Jesus could forgive me,
he could forgive anybody. That's what Paul is is getting
at there. So,
You know, that the devil would like nothing more than
(35:21):
to just poke at you with this kind of thing
every now and again, you know, we're oh, but maybe you, yeah,
and the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is really resisting
the Holy Spirit to, to, you know, and the Holy Spirit, remember, um,
if you were in John chapter 16, Jesus said when
he comes, he'll convict the world of sin, uh.
Judge of righteousness and of judgment, so the Lord was
(35:44):
convicting you that whole time and you were resisting the
Holy Spirit and resisting the Holy Spirit. One day you said,
I'm not gonna resist you anymore, and you gave your
life to Christ and, and at that point I would
say that you took the antitoxin, right? And the, the
toxin is if you resist, uh, Jesus, there's no salvation
(36:05):
because there's no other name under heaven by which we
must be saved.
But when you received Jesus, you took the, you know,
antitoxin and you came into the kingdom of light and
so again, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the
resistance of the conviction of the Holy Spirit that Jesus
is Lord and there are people who will resist to death.
(36:27):
And there's no hope if they resist Jesus unto the death.
And you are obviously not one of those people. So
you're not. So you know, just recognize their, you know,
the enemy. He, he, he harasses us. He wants to
unsettle us. Yeah, you know, he wants to any way
he can kind of just get us unsettled in any way, uh, he,
(36:49):
that's what he does, you know, so just know that.
Um, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall
be saved, and you have done that. And, and Matthew,
you wouldn't be concerned about this if you weren't saved. Yeah, exactly.
You know, I mean, Satan's not always totally logical, OK,
because if you weren't saved, you, you, you wouldn't care,
(37:14):
but you are saved. So you're, you know, that's why
you care. So that's a good sign. Yeah, I can,
I can imagine, Matthew, you could even think back to
the time when you
We're that other person and how you didn't care. You
didn't cross your mind to care about anything.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I, I was awful, very aggressive with it, and it's
something that I, I carry with me daily like, Lord,
forgive me for that. But, uh,
Speaker 1 (37:37):
well, you know, like I said with Paul, you know,
when Paul is writing to the Corinthians and he says
to the Corinthians, he says, um, he's talking about himself
and he says, um, you know, I was, um.
I persecuted the church and you realize that Paul lived
with that even though he was forgiven, even though he
(37:59):
knew he was forgiven, you know, that was something that
he just lived with it, you know, that I, I,
I persecuted the church, um, but then he goes on
to talk about, you know, the mercy of God. So
you know Matthew too, I know that you're plagued by
this and I hope you're not, but I wish you
would take that example from Paul too.
And know that this is, is giving you compassion and
(38:24):
for those who are blasphemers to know, OK, I used
to be like that, they're not as far gone as I,
I think that they, as they appear to be, you know,
because I remember myself, I had a woman once that
I did an interview with and her whole testimony was
that she used to be a God hater.
And she talked about how she just hated God and
(38:46):
any mention of God would just send her, you know,
just flare her temper so bad. And then she came
to the Lord and she said it had given her
this deeper compassion.
And when people were acting like that, she's like, you're
just like me, you're not that far from the kingdom,
you know, and so let it, let the Lord use
it for His glory to help you to recognize that nobody,
(39:10):
as long as they've got breath, as long as they've
got breath, there is hope. Can you imagine how that
hits to somebody.
Who's over here mocking God, blaspheming God, whatever, and somebody says,
Oh yeah, you're pretty close. You'll probably be in church
next year or something. And they're probably like, What? No, no,
that's the last thing I want. You're crazy. And then
a year later, yeah, you throw a rock into a, um,
(39:32):
pack of wolves, and the one that cries is the,
you know, the loudest is the one that got hit.
That's not in the Bible.
I, I love, I love to tell the story, um,
I tell it occasionally of back in the 18th century
revival in England, um, George Whitfield was one of the,
(39:52):
you know, he was one of the key figures there
who was preaching to tens of thousands of people and,
you know, God was using him in an extraordinary way,
but he had many, many, many, um, people who opposed
him and people would follow him, these antagonists, you know,
they would follow him from place to place and they
would mock him and
They would throw like.
(40:13):
Pieces of dead animals at him and you know rotten
vegetables and you know all this horrible stuff and there
was one particular guy who was sort of the ringleader
and his name was um Mr. Thorpe and he learned
how to mimic Whitfield like so much so that he
(40:35):
could draw a crowd.
And they would think they were listening to Whitfield because
he was able to, um, you know, do an impersonation
of him so well. And one day, um, at, at
one of these events when he got up on his
soapbox to do a, um, to do, you know, to
mimic and mock Whitfield.
(40:58):
He, he was, he was preaching a Whitfield sermon.
And he came under conviction and he fell to his
knees and he repented on the spot and he became
one of the greatest protagonists of the Ministry of Whitfield
into the future and for the rest of his life.
(41:18):
Every time I hear that story, that is just so
typically a God thing, you know.
Matthew, thanks for your phone call. Let's go to Vegas.
Here is Jim listening on Kwave.com. Hey, Jim, thanks for
calling in today.
Yeah, thanks for having me. Um, I don't wanna say
that long time listener, first time caller, but it's true.
(41:42):
Alright, uh, from, yeah, I've been listening to you guys
probably since 20.
2010 I guess. So wow, that is a long time.
What took you so long to call in?
Well, I don't know, I just, um.
I always like to listen and and definitely like to
call it's probably one of the things why I'm talking
about is anxiety and um I've dealt with this about
(42:06):
20 years I guess um we're speaking in public.
And it's something that, you know, I pray on. I've
read all the scriptures I could think of Joshua 1:9,
Timothy 1:7.
And over and over, and I just finished.
Chuck Smith, uh, work for the day Bible. My wife
got that one for me a couple of years ago,
(42:27):
and he's got some good notes in there. I just
Don't know what's causing it. I've read the secular reasons
for it because, you know, a lot of it's pride,
which I don't think I'm a prideful person, uh, concerned
about what people think, which I don't really have that issue.
I've been married 30 years, my wife could attest to that,
but anyway, um, I don't know what's causing it, and
(42:49):
once I have to do it about 2 minutes in, it's,
it's completely gone. It's just the build up to it.
That causes the anxiety. And, and what, what, what is
it that you do? Is it it's public speaking or
is it just um social speaking and public speaking or
just social speaking or both public speaking. I'm in social
(43:11):
like doing presentations and stuff social environments. I really don't
have a problem. Do you do that.
Is that part of your, um, job, like your job, Jim?
Do you do that every once in a while it is, yeah,
like every, I, I have to go to Washington, um,
on Monday, and I'm dreading that the usual dread comes
(43:33):
across and then, uh, every February we have a, like
a summit and it's like, oh, it's December, a great
2 more months to February and it starts to creep in. Um,
it's just really frustrating. I've had it for 20 years
and I've heard.
You know, Greg Laurie say it's number, number one on
of all the phobias and right above death, so most
(43:54):
people at the funeral would rather be in the coffin
and doing the eulogy, right, so.
I get that. Yeah, but you know what, it probably
is something, yeah, yeah, you know, I'm just saying that,
saying that and just, you know, saying that first. I
bet you get everybody just loving you.
Right away because they relate to crack jokes when I,
(44:16):
when I used to teach, um, teach kids, I would,
you know, tell them jokes and they would lighten up
and stuff even in front of the kids, but I,
you know, I would get, I would get used to it.
Like I said, 2 or 3 minutes into it, it's gone, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and it's just, it is just what it is. I
just want to say this too, Jim. I mean, you know,
(44:37):
you are one of millions of people who, who battle
with this. This is not.
This is not, um, really that unusual, you know, um,
I mean I know guys and, and I can still
be this way a little bit now, but you know
I've been preaching for 40+ years so I, I have
(44:57):
kind of come to a place, not 100% of the time,
but almost that where I'm pretty relaxed and I'm free
and I, you know, I'm, I'm not thinking about it
or worrying about it, but, but I had many years where, um.
I, I mean, I used to kind of just dread
like the Bible studies that I was giving because it's like,
(45:18):
oh no, I gotta, I gotta get up there again
and I gotta do that, you know, and um,
And then like if I was asked to speak at
a conference or something, you know, it's a big honor
to speak at a conference, but at the same time,
it's like the anxiety is so bad. It's like, I'd
rather just not have the honor, you know, to not
to not have to deal with the anxiety. Um.
(45:38):
And so I guess what I'm, I'm trying to encourage
you that you're not alone. And I think it's, I
think it's great that you, you know, that you do
press in and you do press through it. And I
would love to tell you, hey, do this and then
you won't even have the anxiety anymore, but I don't
(45:58):
know what the answer to that is. But I would say,
you know, just.
And I'm sure you're doing this, but I would just say,
you know, the, the applications may be a little bit different,
but Jesus, remember Jesus said when you're brought, you're gonna
be brought before kings and rulers and so forth, and
(46:19):
don't worry, uh, in that hour what what you're gonna
say because it's not gonna be you who speak with
your father. Now, obviously you're going to lecture or speak
or whatever and you're not, you know, it's, it's not that, but.
You're a child of God.
You are a witness regardless and you're standing up in
(46:41):
front of people and I all I'm saying is I
think you can say, Lord.
Um, just help me with this, and you can have
confidence that he will help you.
Um, I heard a famous speaker say that every time
she speaks, she has less security, not more security. If
you knew, if I mention the name, I don't know
(47:01):
if she'd want me to say this publicly, but if
I mention her name, you'll be like her, but that
she has less security. But I find, uh, because, you know,
I think everyone who speaks publicly has had those anxieties
before and I know I have, you know, depending on
the audience and the people. I had a friend who said.
Um, she's a chaplain at a jail and she said
(47:23):
she has no anxiety speaking to prisoners, but when she
had to do a junior high retreat, she wanted to die.
She was so scared. She said they're worse than the prisoners, but, uh,
what I was gonna say is that you can use
it as a faith thing, Lord, I'm doing this for
you and I need you and you can lean into
Jesus and I think that the Lord, um, makes it
(47:46):
count double when he knows it's hard for you.
And that you're still doing it anyway. I think that
you get double points. I just do and because the
Lord knows the cost and how hard it is and
so I again I think we've all been there at
one time or another and it, it is just pressing
(48:08):
and you're still doing it and that's so admirable and
I'm sorry we couldn't give you any tips like pretend
they're all in diapers or something like that but you know.
Yeah, is, are we helping you at all? Yeah, I've
always heard God, you know, he's telling me, just don't
worry about it. I'm here, I'll never abandon you. And,
(48:31):
and he, every time I've tried to turn things down,
I don't do this anymore, but in the past I
would feel like.
All right, God's calling me to do this, and I'm
turning it down, and so, and I wouldn't feel condemned.
I just wouldn't feel comfortable. So I, I really don't
turn down, um, the last 10 years. I don't turn
down these opportunities before I would say, look, I don't
really want to do it, but you know, I never
(48:53):
wanted to do it in the first place, and God
just kept putting all these events in front of me
to do these things and then, um, I got promoted
to my job without even asking. He just.
Through the Lord, I keep getting promoted up and up
with more opportunities to speak. I'm like, thanks God, but
I really, uh, yeah, pretty soon they're gonna say, Jim,
our greeter, you know, Jim, Jim, you're our best speaker.
(49:15):
You're our best speaker. We're, we're gonna put you right
in the top slot. Too bad you don't have a
brother named Aaron and who could just, you know, come
alongside you and do it for you, because that's true.
Moses had the same issues.
Correct, I've read that a million times.
But, but here's what I wanna, this is what I
really want to encourage you with. Don't, you know, all,
(49:38):
all these theories, you know, everybody has a theory. Oh,
it's your pride or it's, you know, the different things
people have told you. You know, just tune that out.
I mean, it's, it's not that stuff like your wife says.
It's not, you know, if you're prideful, your wife will
tell you. Believe me, my wife is very good, she's
a pride detector.
So don't, um, you know, the, the well intended person
(50:03):
that is gonna, well, this is really what's going on.
It's like, well, actually you don't know. And even when
it comes to anxiety and these kinds of things, even
in the the world of
Uh, psychology, psychiatry, whichever, you know, where, where, where you
happen to be in that, they don't even know exactly
(50:25):
what causes this stuff. So,
Yeah, but hey, be encouraged. You're not alone. Jim. Thanks
for your phone call. Now let's talk to Mike in Yucaipa.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Mike.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
What's your question?
Oh, thank you guys. Um, so I'm a big pickleball fan, right?
And a, a bunch of the groups are Mormons that
I play with. And, um, you know, they keep approaching
me and they say that they believe in the same
Jesus and um that, that they're Christians. So I went
to a couple of their Bible studies.
(51:04):
And a lot of the stuff they were saying was
really far out there, like, um, you know, they want,
they're gonna become gods one day if they reach the
third level of heaven. And um I just want to
know where they, I know where they get those scriptures from. But,
you know, like one says John 1:12.
Um, but as many as received him gave he the
(51:25):
power to become the sons of God.
And like
They're putting all their faith in Joseph Smith, I believe,
you know, like their ultimate goal is not to be
with Jesus, you know, and worship Him for eternity. Their
ultimate goal is to be a God, you know. I
just want to know, like,
Speaker 1 (51:43):
yeah, well,
Speaker 2 (51:44):
what do they get the
Speaker 1 (51:45):
scriptures from? Yeah, I mean, you know, the scriptures, they're
just taking out of context, and they, they have, they
have their doctrinal position that they've embraced through that particular, um.
Idea, Brigham Young, who was the 2nd, you know, after
Justice Smith died, uh, Brigham Young became the, the leader
(52:07):
of Mormonism.
Or Latter Day Saints and um he said as God
is man once was and is um.
Wait, wait, I always get this backwards now, OK, as
God is, um.
(52:30):
So man, God was once a man.
Mhm. And um he became a god.
And so, um, as man is, oh here it is,
as man is God once was and as God is
man will become.
So the idea is that God used to be a
(52:52):
man and he elevated, uh, himself to the position of
being God and this is where you know you have
your own planet and you have your many wives and
you know, all of this sort of thing. Uh, so,
so this is what Brigham Young said in I think
it's in uh the doctrine and covenants. I'm not sure
(53:14):
if that's the exact place where it's referenced, but.
So then what you do is then you try to
find some biblical support for it. So you pull out
something like, you know, John 1:12, which doesn't say anything
of the sort, but you just try to, you know,
make it fit. So there there's there's no biblical basis
(53:37):
for these doctrines. These are false teachings.
That they try to, um, you know, sort of shore
up with Bible verses that are out of context.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, they also always bring up like Psalms 82. We
are children of God. They believe that we are literally
children of God, not.
You know, not, not sons of God, but like literally
children and, and, um, I just talked to him and I,
I try to bring up the verses that where it says,
I think it's in Revelations and one's in Galatians where
(54:10):
it says you should not take or add anything, you know,
you'll be cursed and like they have, they have an
answer for everything, but they're really good friends of mine.
I just wanted to know is this something that can separate.
Salvation for them
Like
Because they still believe in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, yeah, the problem, you know, the problem is they,
they do believe in a different Jesus, really, you know,
he's not the, the Jesus of scripture, uh, he's not
the Jesus of historic Christian faith, and
You know, but again, you know, a lot of, a
lot of times they're, they're well versed in what they
(54:51):
believe and they can.
You know, they can hold their own in a conversation
because they know, know enough Bible verses, even though, like
I said, they're, they're out of context, um, most of
the time, probably just for your own.
Benefit and for the opportunities that you have through the friendship,
(55:13):
you know, maybe just do some research on um what
they believe and in comparison with what the scriptures say
and just be ready to give an answer when the
opportunity arises. There is that book my dad used to
love um.
What is it? God loves you, my Mormon. Uh, no,
Jesus loves you, yeah, but it's close to that title.
(55:35):
Oh darn. I don't know. I wish I did. It
was good. There's plenty of stuff out there, so.
Yeah. OK, very good. Mike, thanks for calling us today
on Pastor's Perspective. That's all the time we have on
today's episode. Sonia, Jeff, Elsa, Spencer, everyone else who couldn't
get through this week, we'll be back on Monday. We'll
see you at the Christmas coffee tomorrow, at church on Sunday,
(55:56):
and here again on Monday on Pastor's Perspective. God bless
you guys.
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