June 30, 2025 • 23 mins
Shad Sullivan discusses the Maude family's legal battle, focusing on a no hunting sign incident that led to federal indictment and broader implications for land rights. The episode delves into government overreach and recent legal victories, highlighting the importance of raising awareness and exploring potential solutions. Sullivan examines the impact of public-private partnerships on American freedom and concludes with a call to action for support.
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Welcome into this special edition of thePatriot Broadcasting Project.
I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
With me today is American cattle rancher, ChadSullivan.
Chad, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much, Bubba.
Well, you do more than, ranch cattle.
Obviously, there's a lot of property involvedwith that.
You have another fancy title that I couldn'tremember the name to.
So why don't you go ahead and tell us aboutthat, and and we'll dive right into why we're
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talking today.
Yeah.
I'm just an American cattle rancher, like Isaid, and I am the private property rights
chair, committee chair at RCAF USA.
We're the largest, self funded and drivencattlemen's organization in The United States.
Well, and property rights are exactly why whathas brought us together today.
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We're here supporting the Maude family who arein a battle over not just property at this
point, but their own lives and theirlivelihoods.
Facing a lengthy prison sentence from thenational government, a big government that has
grown accustomed to overreach.
And that's why, we're coming together to toshine some light on not just this one case, but
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I'm sure there's several 100 or thousands ofcases like this across the country every year.
Can you shed a little bit of light on, theirsituation, and we'll kind of pick things up
from there?
Yeah.
So about a year ago, back in, February, therewas an anonymous hunter, that turned a no
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hunting sign in to the Forest Service.
So the mods have 25 acres approximately ofForest Service land inside of their land on
kind of on the edge.
And, there they had a no hunting signapparently on that, which most of us do.
But, apparently, somebody, turned that into theforest service.
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The forest service come out to see it, allabout it.
They took the sign down.
And then as things went on, the forest servicedecided that they recognized, that the property
line or the fence line on the survey boundarywas off.
And now who knows?
If it's off a foot, it may be off a foot.
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It may not be off at all.
The the mods have been ranching here for ahundred and fourteen years.
Charles and Heather are their sixth generation,fifth or sixth generation.
This fence in question was put in pre 1950, solong before, Charles and Heather were born or
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even their fam or their parents were born.
So, whether it was really off the line, whoknows, but that's really the the extent of what
happened.
As time went on, that happened in March.
Agent a special agent by the name of TravisLenderz, who seems like the more we learn about
him, the more trouble we find out he has causedall kinds of of forest service allotment owners
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over the years.
He is the one in question here.
And so to remedy this situation, the Maudefamily says, well, let's use our common sense
and let's use the small tracks act.
Let's, trade land.
Let's get the fence back on.
Let's just do something so it doesn't interruptour business and go forward.
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Okay.
So then, fine, that starts they startcommunicating a little bit.
And, as time goes on, enters special ranger, agal by the name of Julie Wheeler.
And, they come they start talking and trying totransact, you know, an an unfolding event here
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that could be remedied very easily.
And, while they're visiting, they bring out asurvey crew.
Right?
And the problem with the survey crew is, youknow, the mods own half the fence.
The forest service owns half the fence.
So, really, to to do a survey right, you haveto have a third party verification system
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there.
Right?
And, that wasn't happening.
So as communicated communication went forward,Heather and Charles asked the Forest Service
just they said, you're welcome to come acrossour land anytime.
But when you do, please notify us because youhave to cross their private property to get to
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the property in question.
And after that request was made, everythingwent silent.
Just nothing else happened.
Communication stopped.
They had just previous to that, they had,requested a meeting with Senator Rounds and the
Forest Service together.
So, the mods and Senator Rounds, they cametogether and said, hey.
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Can you guys can the Forest Service meet on soand so date?
And Travis Lender Landers and, Julie Wheelersaid, no.
We can't.
We don't we we don't have those datesavailable.
So that meeting with, senator Round's officenever took place.
And upon that, communication stopped.
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Well, in February, eighty seven days later,Travis Lender shows up armed on the Maude
family ranch and in and hands over indictmentpapers, federal indictment papers, for theft of
government property, each to Charles and toHeather separately.
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Okay?
And, with that came a possible five years inprison each and $250,000 fine each for theft of
government property.
Now the property in question has never had anysort of, change to it.
And, of course, as we go on with this case, theforest service is coming up with, more more
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stuff that they thought that the mods wereaware of, and they thought, you know, the
forest service is claiming all all theseclaims.
And one of those is that the mods were aware ofthis four years ago.
Well, the forest service, the mods are like,we've never heard about any of this, and they
are in good standing.
They have no infractions since nineteen o six.
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They have zero infractions.
They are in good standing with the forestservice even today as they have been indicted,
and, the saga goes on.
That's where we're at right now.
We have, been working with them.
Several groups and individuals have beenworking for and with the mods to get this case
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remedied for, well, since last last June,really.
And, of course, the Biden administration was,over that.
They're the ones that levied the chargesagainst them, and then we had hope that
president Trump coming in would make a changein this.
So far, we we haven't had that change.
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We are screaming and yelling at the top of ourlungs for secretary Rick Rollins, Department of
Agriculture, who is over the forest service toget this remedied through the Department of
Justice and President Trump.
Nothing has happened yet.
I feel like we're getting closer to some sortof rectification, if if that is such a word,
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but we need to do it.
Because Charles and Heather and their two youngchildren these people are in their thirties.
And their two young children are under immensestress and pressure.
Obviously, obtaining two lawyers becausethey're individually indicted and holding a gag
order in your own home, you can't talk aboutthe case with your spouse, is, wreaking havoc
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on their emotional life, and such goes youryour financial and your physical life.
Right?
Who knows what these these bills are that aregonna come from these lawyer lawyer fees, not
to mention the the forest service.
You know, if they if they are convicted, andlevied $250,000 fine, how do you come up with a
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half a million dollars when you don't have itright?
And You sell the land.
Right?
I mean, which which at best, it feels likelike, at best, it's coercion.
Right?
They're they're getting all these chargesleveled against them because they decided to
stand up for themselves, which from the outsideand just really hearing the story for the first
time.
And at worst, it's blatant extortion.
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It's just saying, well, you don't wanna do whatwe say, then we are going to leave the put the
lean on you with the full weight of the USgovernment and all of these agencies, and we're
going to at least scare you into possiblysettling over it or possibly losing your entire
livelihood.
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Well, I have a lot of experience dealing withthese kinds of situations, and they are not
new.
Okay?
Let me get that through your through to you.
They are not new.
But what has happened, really, in the lasttwenty years is an incremental infiltration of
radical ideologues into our governments fromthe bottom up.
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I mean, from the local governments clear up tothe top.
And with that infiltration, they infiltrateinto these bureau bureaucratic agencies.
And that is what we're seeing because thesepeople think they have power that they don't
have.
Right?
And, it's it's it's trampling on not onlyprivate property rights, but it's trampling on
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constitutional rights.
And the and all of this all of this that we'reseeing, Bubba, is about the land.
It's not about climate change.
It's not about carbon footprints.
It's not about methane.
It is about the land.
They have to have the land.
And we are daily, we are uncovering more andmore very interesting conflicts that there are
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environmental organizations out there in thisarea that perhaps perhaps down the road want to
create a wildlife corridor, and they would haveto have some of these parcels of land to do
that.
And so there is an alter alternate ulteriormotive in what's going on, and it's very
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dangerous.
And it's dangerous to, the constitution.
It's dangerous to liberty and freedom, and it'sdangerous to your local economy.
You see, once you take all of these people offof the land, and that's their goal, however
they have to do it, put you in prison, seizethe land.
We see it all the time.
Once you once you remove the people from theland, your communities die.
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Right?
Your churches and your schools die.
Your small towns die.
We're already dying in rural America.
And the the end goal is this is for the globalelite and the elitists across America to have
control of production and consumption.
And what they call what what that's called forthem is sustainability.
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That's what this is about.
They're picking winners and losers.
And the only way they can have control ofproduction and consumption is to have control
of the land.
And, ultimately, it is all about privateproperty rights.
Yes.
And that's we actually had a big win here inSouth Dakota Yes.
Recently, protecting ourselves from some ofthese other, you know, these pipelines, these c
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o two pipelines.
I know that the, the Keystone pipeline justruptured or whatever they said.
I don't know.
A brand new pipeline is all of a suddenbursting open and spewing oil all over the land
as well through private property, throughpublic property.
This was just days ago, Shad, so I I don't evenknow how I came across it.
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But, so obviously, a lot of these things thatjust trample over top of private property
rights is just there has to be an end.
And because they've been running rampant forreally the last twenty five years, besides a
small break there in possibly in presidentTrump's first term, I think our major problem
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right now is that there's so much happeningaround the world that we're not able to cut
through all of that noise for one small familyto say, hey.
This is a bigger issue than just one family.
Right?
And
Correct.
Some attention brought to it, which is exactlywhy we're here doing what we're doing today is
to raise that awareness and to get this storyout as much as we can and to have it go out
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into the wider world to maybe bring someretention to this because it could be taken
care of.
With the fell swoop of a pen
One pen.
This could go away and be done.
We just need to cut through that noise.
What we're what we're seeing what what hashappened is with this infiltration of into
these agencies, and then the Trump transitionteam, took place, the Trump transition took
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place, we have a lot of holdovers.
And what those holdovers do is they they meltback in because they know Trump is a
constitutionalist and he's conservative.
Right?
So these radical ideologues, they don't wannalose their jobs.
So they melt back in and they kinda fit inuntil the next round of attacks can take place
whenever the next leftist, agenda, becomesabout.
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But I will tell you this, Bubba, this issue andthese issues are all over The United States.
I hear about them every single day, and we'vegot to remedy all of them.
But this issue with the mods in South Dakota isthe preeminent issue of our time right now
concerning secretary Rollins' overreach of theforest service and the rest of these agencies
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that are overreaching.
And we have to have this rectified right now.
I mean, I think this is the time.
We're excited about secretary Rollins.
We're excited about her leadership.
She is a freedom maker, not a freedom taker.
But she if she doesn't act on this and drop allcharges, if and she has the influence to do
that, I think that it's gonna turn into abigger mess than than what we Right.
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Because it sets precedence then.
And what what this case would do would setprecedence precedents for them to do this to
more individuals.
That's
right.
To levy the entire weight of The US judicialsystem and all of that that money.
Right?
Because that's what they're up against.
The they could just bleed out any propertyowner.
Right?
It doesn't matter how much land you have.
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We can just lean on you and lean on you andlean on you and and drag this out till you run
out
of home.
You got a molded farm anyway.
That's right.
Till you're broke.
And what what your listeners, the urban and,urban consumers need to understand is the more
people they take off the land, the moredangerous your food supply is.
Right?
That's what this is about.
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It causes prices to go up because there's fewerproducers.
We've already lost, you know, 650,000 producersin the last forty years.
That's the thing.
And when you say that this is a precedentsetter, it is not only a precedent setter on
that end, it's a precedent setter on the otherend.
And Trump and Rollins and Bondi have the powerto make this a good case.
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Because if they don't, it sets a precedent thatthese overreaching, ideologues and these
agencies can do whatever they want.
But on the other end, if they take care of thisand they fire every one of them, and they all
need fire, the judge all the way down, fireevery one of them, if they would take care of
that, that sets a precedent there and says, youknow what?
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This administration is not gonna put up withthis nonsense.
This is America, the land of the free, the homeof the brave, where liberty reigns and we're
gonna shine on the hill like we always have,but you
don't get to ruin it.
So where is this case taking place at?
Is this at the federal in Rapid City?
Correct.
So Federal Courthouse, Rapid City, SouthDakota.
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What's the date for that, Shad?
Well, I'm I'm really not sure.
The last date I knew was April 29.
And so the closer we get to April 29, the morepressure we're gonna put on these these
leaders.
But, you know, we the mods have greatleadership in their district with,
representative Liz Marty May.
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They have a lot of support just from the, youknow, the constitutionalists, the the
conservatives of America, and certainlyagriculture, and, those who lease government
allotments or or public lands have lent greatsupport.
Now this isn't anything that we have to getradical about.
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We can get this fixed and use our heads and andtake the high route because we need to show
some class here and say this is what we'regonna do.
But I assure you, if it is not rectified in duetime and when I say rectified, I mean charges.
Wrapped.
This needs to go away.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
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But if it's not, we're gonna continue to putpressure on them and do may you know, they're
here what what people forget is that theseagencies and these government institutions are
here to serve us.
We're the boss.
Our government is from the bottom up, not thetop down.
And when we have these ideology or ideologuesinfiltrating into these agencies, they become
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powerful.
And I'll tell you another problem that'shappening is these, the the coming on of public
private partnerships.
Right now, even in this case, I think that wecould prove that there's a public private
partnership between, USDA, and some of theseENGOs that are buying up this land out out in
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Custer County, South Dakota.
And so what happens with the public privatepartnership is you have radical environmental
organizations or any organization, and they getall of you know, they were funded World
Wildlife Fund was funded to the tune of$600,000,000 in 02/2023.
They can take that money and partner up withthe United States Department of Agriculture,
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the Forest Service, whatever government agencythey want, and they could influence their
agenda to go a certain direction.
That's the dangers of partnership.
Now on the other end of that, we have heardgovernor Noem, who is now the head of the HHS,
talk about the use of public privatepartnerships for good.
We also have heard that from secretary Rollins.
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I want those people to understand that youcannot use a public private partnership, which,
by the way, was enabled by the sustains act of2023 by a republican, g t Thompson.
And what the sustains act did was itprioritized public private partnerships into
these agencies and allowed agency heads tomake, rule make rules at their discretion,
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bypassing congress.
That's the danger we're in.
It's not a democrat issue.
It's not a republican issue.
It's an American issue, and we gotta get itstopped.
This is big stuff now.
This is freedom faking.
What you're talking about isn't Democratic, andit isn't it isn't a Republican at all.
That is straight communism.
Communism.
You will you will do what you are told, and andwe're just not here for that.
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We have fought way too hard, especially in thelast couple of years to pull ourselves away
from that, to let a family like the mods suffera couple of young ranchers with a beautiful
young family to let them go by the wayside andto have to be be trampled by one of these
public private, it just doesn't make any sense.
There's two there's two groups of people herewe have to honor.
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Number one is it's the it's the men and womenwho shed blood for this country in the name of
liberty and freedom.
Those are the first ones.
Number two, it's this it's the kids that arecoming behind us, coming my kids, your kids,
these people's grandchildren.
We have to leave this republic.
We're not a democracy.
I'm tired of hearing that.
We have to leave this republic in a shape thatthose kids get to taste the sweet taste of
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freedom and liberty.
That's what this is about.
And they can't do that.
We cannot do that without the ability to ownprivate property.
The very foundation of the constitution of TheUnited States guarantees, resource access
through private property.
I don't know of a better way that we could end,this episode.
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Chad, I appreciate you coming on the programtoday and shedding some light on the issue.
We're gonna do everything that we can, reachingout and sending this episode and others to
everyone that we know and encouraging them tosend it to their legislators and see how far we
can climb this thing up.
And maybe it will finally fall on some earsthat are ready to listen, and we can get this
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taken care of.
I really think that they have listened.
I think they've heard, but they gotta takeaction now.
It's none nothing happens until action takesplace, and I appreciate you letting us get this
story on, your podcast.
It's a very, very important story.
It is really the agriculture issue of our timeright now.
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It has to be rectified soon.
We're gonna pray that it does and, and praythat God shows his favor on America again.
Chad, can you share with us anywhere that wecan find out more information about you and
your organization and this case in particular?
Yeah.
So you can go to my Facebook page, ChadSullivan, American cattle rancher.
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You can also go to my ex.
He's at yearlands.rcalfusa.com is a great placeto go, and there you can find links to help
with the financial burden that the mods haveincurred.
And I really suggest everybody kinda I I hateto ask for money.
I'm not that type of guy, but we these are bigbills, and these are young people, and they are
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community people.
They're family people.
I mean, Charles Maud, a gentleman told meyesterday, he said Charles Maude's never done a
thing wrong in his life.
And I know that he's been very influential inhis local community.
He was a a national FFA award winner.
So was, Heather was very active in four h'syouth.
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They're volunteer fire people.
They're all about community, and this is just atravesty.
Well and I'd like to speak directly to Charlesand Heather Maude right now and to tell them
that help is most definitely on the way.
You have a great team around you.
Chad's been very giving of his time today toshare your story because obviously, you can't.
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And and that's, part of what they're trying todo to you, but we're Americans.
We are here for you as well, and we're gonna doeverything in our power to get this stopped and
to help you pay those lawyer bills that aren'tgonna go away even if the charges are dropped.
So Yeah.
I think a big benefit concert or or somethingof that nature is in order regardless of what
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happens on April 29.
That's right.
Welcome into this special edition of thePatriot Broadcasting Project.
I'm your host, Bubba Starts.
With me today is American cattle rancher, ChadSullivan.
Chad, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much, Bubba.
Well, you do more than, ranch cattle.
Obviously, there's a lot of property involvedwith that.
You have another fancy title that I couldn'tremember the name to.
So why don't you go ahead and tell us aboutthat, and and we'll dive right into why we're
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talking today.
Yeah.
I'm just an American cattle rancher, like Isaid, and I am the private property rights
chair, committee chair at RCAF USA.
We're the largest, self funded and drivencattlemen's organization in The United States.
Well, and property rights are exactly why whathas brought us together today.
(00:46):
We're here supporting the Maude family who arein a battle over not just property at this
point, but their own lives and theirlivelihoods.
Facing a lengthy prison sentence from thenational government, a big government that has
grown accustomed to overreach.
And that's why, we're coming together to toshine some light on not just this one case, but
(01:10):
I'm sure there's several 100 or thousands ofcases like this across the country every year.
Can you shed a little bit of light on, theirsituation, and we'll kind of pick things up
from there?
Yeah.
So about a year ago, back in, February, therewas an anonymous hunter, that turned a no
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hunting sign in to the Forest Service.
So the mods have 25 acres approximately ofForest Service land inside of their land on
kind of on the edge.
And, there they had a no hunting signapparently on that, which most of us do.
But, apparently, somebody, turned that into theforest service.
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The forest service come out to see it, allabout it.
They took the sign down.
And then as things went on, the forest servicedecided that they recognized, that the property
line or the fence line on the survey boundarywas off.
And now who knows?
If it's off a foot, it may be off a foot.
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It may not be off at all.
The the mods have been ranching here for ahundred and fourteen years.
Charles and Heather are their sixth generation,fifth or sixth generation.
This fence in question was put in pre 1950, solong before, Charles and Heather were born or
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even their fam or their parents were born.
So, whether it was really off the line, whoknows, but that's really the the extent of what
happened.
As time went on, that happened in March.
Agent a special agent by the name of TravisLenderz, who seems like the more we learn about
him, the more trouble we find out he has causedall kinds of of forest service allotment owners
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over the years.
He is the one in question here.
And so to remedy this situation, the Maudefamily says, well, let's use our common sense
and let's use the small tracks act.
Let's, trade land.
Let's get the fence back on.
Let's just do something so it doesn't interruptour business and go forward.
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Okay.
So then, fine, that starts they startcommunicating a little bit.
And, as time goes on, enters special ranger, agal by the name of Julie Wheeler.
And, they come they start talking and trying totransact, you know, an an unfolding event here
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that could be remedied very easily.
And, while they're visiting, they bring out asurvey crew.
Right?
And the problem with the survey crew is, youknow, the mods own half the fence.
The forest service owns half the fence.
So, really, to to do a survey right, you haveto have a third party verification system
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there.
Right?
And, that wasn't happening.
So as communicated communication went forward,Heather and Charles asked the Forest Service
just they said, you're welcome to come acrossour land anytime.
But when you do, please notify us because youhave to cross their private property to get to
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the property in question.
And after that request was made, everythingwent silent.
Just nothing else happened.
Communication stopped.
They had just previous to that, they had,requested a meeting with Senator Rounds and the
Forest Service together.
So, the mods and Senator Rounds, they cametogether and said, hey.
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Can you guys can the Forest Service meet on soand so date?
And Travis Lender Landers and, Julie Wheelersaid, no.
We can't.
We don't we we don't have those datesavailable.
So that meeting with, senator Round's officenever took place.
And upon that, communication stopped.
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Well, in February, eighty seven days later,Travis Lender shows up armed on the Maude
family ranch and in and hands over indictmentpapers, federal indictment papers, for theft of
government property, each to Charles and toHeather separately.
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Okay?
And, with that came a possible five years inprison each and $250,000 fine each for theft of
government property.
Now the property in question has never had anysort of, change to it.
And, of course, as we go on with this case, theforest service is coming up with, more more
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stuff that they thought that the mods wereaware of, and they thought, you know, the
forest service is claiming all all theseclaims.
And one of those is that the mods were aware ofthis four years ago.
Well, the forest service, the mods are like,we've never heard about any of this, and they
are in good standing.
They have no infractions since nineteen o six.
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They have zero infractions.
They are in good standing with the forestservice even today as they have been indicted,
and, the saga goes on.
That's where we're at right now.
We have, been working with them.
Several groups and individuals have beenworking for and with the mods to get this case
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remedied for, well, since last last June,really.
And, of course, the Biden administration was,over that.
They're the ones that levied the chargesagainst them, and then we had hope that
president Trump coming in would make a changein this.
So far, we we haven't had that change.
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We are screaming and yelling at the top of ourlungs for secretary Rick Rollins, Department of
Agriculture, who is over the forest service toget this remedied through the Department of
Justice and President Trump.
Nothing has happened yet.
I feel like we're getting closer to some sortof rectification, if if that is such a word,
(07:29):
but we need to do it.
Because Charles and Heather and their two youngchildren these people are in their thirties.
And their two young children are under immensestress and pressure.
Obviously, obtaining two lawyers becausethey're individually indicted and holding a gag
order in your own home, you can't talk aboutthe case with your spouse, is, wreaking havoc
(07:53):
on their emotional life, and such goes youryour financial and your physical life.
Right?
Who knows what these these bills are that aregonna come from these lawyer lawyer fees, not
to mention the the forest service.
You know, if they if they are convicted, andlevied $250,000 fine, how do you come up with a
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half a million dollars when you don't have itright?
And You sell the land.
Right?
I mean, which which at best, it feels likelike, at best, it's coercion.
Right?
They're they're getting all these chargesleveled against them because they decided to
stand up for themselves, which from the outsideand just really hearing the story for the first
time.
And at worst, it's blatant extortion.
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It's just saying, well, you don't wanna do whatwe say, then we are going to leave the put the
lean on you with the full weight of the USgovernment and all of these agencies, and we're
going to at least scare you into possiblysettling over it or possibly losing your entire
livelihood.
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Well, I have a lot of experience dealing withthese kinds of situations, and they are not
new.
Okay?
Let me get that through your through to you.
They are not new.
But what has happened, really, in the lasttwenty years is an incremental infiltration of
radical ideologues into our governments fromthe bottom up.
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I mean, from the local governments clear up tothe top.
And with that infiltration, they infiltrateinto these bureau bureaucratic agencies.
And that is what we're seeing because thesepeople think they have power that they don't
have.
Right?
And, it's it's it's trampling on not onlyprivate property rights, but it's trampling on
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constitutional rights.
And the and all of this all of this that we'reseeing, Bubba, is about the land.
It's not about climate change.
It's not about carbon footprints.
It's not about methane.
It is about the land.
They have to have the land.
And we are daily, we are uncovering more andmore very interesting conflicts that there are
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environmental organizations out there in thisarea that perhaps perhaps down the road want to
create a wildlife corridor, and they would haveto have some of these parcels of land to do
that.
And so there is an alter alternate ulteriormotive in what's going on, and it's very
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dangerous.
And it's dangerous to, the constitution.
It's dangerous to liberty and freedom, and it'sdangerous to your local economy.
You see, once you take all of these people offof the land, and that's their goal, however
they have to do it, put you in prison, seizethe land.
We see it all the time.
Once you once you remove the people from theland, your communities die.
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Right?
Your churches and your schools die.
Your small towns die.
We're already dying in rural America.
And the the end goal is this is for the globalelite and the elitists across America to have
control of production and consumption.
And what they call what what that's called forthem is sustainability.
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That's what this is about.
They're picking winners and losers.
And the only way they can have control ofproduction and consumption is to have control
of the land.
And, ultimately, it is all about privateproperty rights.
Yes.
And that's we actually had a big win here inSouth Dakota Yes.
Recently, protecting ourselves from some ofthese other, you know, these pipelines, these c
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o two pipelines.
I know that the, the Keystone pipeline justruptured or whatever they said.
I don't know.
A brand new pipeline is all of a suddenbursting open and spewing oil all over the land
as well through private property, throughpublic property.
This was just days ago, Shad, so I I don't evenknow how I came across it.
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But, so obviously, a lot of these things thatjust trample over top of private property
rights is just there has to be an end.
And because they've been running rampant forreally the last twenty five years, besides a
small break there in possibly in presidentTrump's first term, I think our major problem
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right now is that there's so much happeningaround the world that we're not able to cut
through all of that noise for one small familyto say, hey.
This is a bigger issue than just one family.
Right?
And
Correct.
Some attention brought to it, which is exactlywhy we're here doing what we're doing today is
to raise that awareness and to get this storyout as much as we can and to have it go out
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into the wider world to maybe bring someretention to this because it could be taken
care of.
With the fell swoop of a pen
One pen.
This could go away and be done.
We just need to cut through that noise.
What we're what we're seeing what what hashappened is with this infiltration of into
these agencies, and then the Trump transitionteam, took place, the Trump transition took
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place, we have a lot of holdovers.
And what those holdovers do is they they meltback in because they know Trump is a
constitutionalist and he's conservative.
Right?
So these radical ideologues, they don't wannalose their jobs.
So they melt back in and they kinda fit inuntil the next round of attacks can take place
whenever the next leftist, agenda, becomesabout.
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But I will tell you this, Bubba, this issue andthese issues are all over The United States.
I hear about them every single day, and we'vegot to remedy all of them.
But this issue with the mods in South Dakota isthe preeminent issue of our time right now
concerning secretary Rollins' overreach of theforest service and the rest of these agencies
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that are overreaching.
And we have to have this rectified right now.
I mean, I think this is the time.
We're excited about secretary Rollins.
We're excited about her leadership.
She is a freedom maker, not a freedom taker.
But she if she doesn't act on this and drop allcharges, if and she has the influence to do
that, I think that it's gonna turn into abigger mess than than what we Right.
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Because it sets precedence then.
And what what this case would do would setprecedence precedents for them to do this to
more individuals.
That's
right.
To levy the entire weight of The US judicialsystem and all of that that money.
Right?
Because that's what they're up against.
The they could just bleed out any propertyowner.
Right?
It doesn't matter how much land you have.
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We can just lean on you and lean on you andlean on you and and drag this out till you run
out
of home.
You got a molded farm anyway.
That's right.
Till you're broke.
And what what your listeners, the urban and,urban consumers need to understand is the more
people they take off the land, the moredangerous your food supply is.
Right?
That's what this is about.
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It causes prices to go up because there's fewerproducers.
We've already lost, you know, 650,000 producersin the last forty years.
That's the thing.
And when you say that this is a precedentsetter, it is not only a precedent setter on
that end, it's a precedent setter on the otherend.
And Trump and Rollins and Bondi have the powerto make this a good case.
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Because if they don't, it sets a precedent thatthese overreaching, ideologues and these
agencies can do whatever they want.
But on the other end, if they take care of thisand they fire every one of them, and they all
need fire, the judge all the way down, fireevery one of them, if they would take care of
that, that sets a precedent there and says, youknow what?
(15:39):
This administration is not gonna put up withthis nonsense.
This is America, the land of the free, the homeof the brave, where liberty reigns and we're
gonna shine on the hill like we always have,but you
don't get to ruin it.
So where is this case taking place at?
Is this at the federal in Rapid City?
Correct.
So Federal Courthouse, Rapid City, SouthDakota.
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What's the date for that, Shad?
Well, I'm I'm really not sure.
The last date I knew was April 29.
And so the closer we get to April 29, the morepressure we're gonna put on these these
leaders.
But, you know, we the mods have greatleadership in their district with,
representative Liz Marty May.
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They have a lot of support just from the, youknow, the constitutionalists, the the
conservatives of America, and certainlyagriculture, and, those who lease government
allotments or or public lands have lent greatsupport.
Now this isn't anything that we have to getradical about.
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We can get this fixed and use our heads and andtake the high route because we need to show
some class here and say this is what we'regonna do.
But I assure you, if it is not rectified in duetime and when I say rectified, I mean charges.
Wrapped.
This needs to go away.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
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But if it's not, we're gonna continue to putpressure on them and do may you know, they're
here what what people forget is that theseagencies and these government institutions are
here to serve us.
We're the boss.
Our government is from the bottom up, not thetop down.
And when we have these ideology or ideologuesinfiltrating into these agencies, they become
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powerful.
And I'll tell you another problem that'shappening is these, the the coming on of public
private partnerships.
Right now, even in this case, I think that wecould prove that there's a public private
partnership between, USDA, and some of theseENGOs that are buying up this land out out in
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Custer County, South Dakota.
And so what happens with the public privatepartnership is you have radical environmental
organizations or any organization, and they getall of you know, they were funded World
Wildlife Fund was funded to the tune of$600,000,000 in 02/2023.
They can take that money and partner up withthe United States Department of Agriculture,
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the Forest Service, whatever government agencythey want, and they could influence their
agenda to go a certain direction.
That's the dangers of partnership.
Now on the other end of that, we have heardgovernor Noem, who is now the head of the HHS,
talk about the use of public privatepartnerships for good.
We also have heard that from secretary Rollins.
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I want those people to understand that youcannot use a public private partnership, which,
by the way, was enabled by the sustains act of2023 by a republican, g t Thompson.
And what the sustains act did was itprioritized public private partnerships into
these agencies and allowed agency heads tomake, rule make rules at their discretion,
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bypassing congress.
That's the danger we're in.
It's not a democrat issue.
It's not a republican issue.
It's an American issue, and we gotta get itstopped.
This is big stuff now.
This is freedom faking.
What you're talking about isn't Democratic, andit isn't it isn't a Republican at all.
That is straight communism.
Communism.
You will you will do what you are told, and andwe're just not here for that.
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We have fought way too hard, especially in thelast couple of years to pull ourselves away
from that, to let a family like the mods suffera couple of young ranchers with a beautiful
young family to let them go by the wayside andto have to be be trampled by one of these
public private, it just doesn't make any sense.
There's two there's two groups of people herewe have to honor.
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Number one is it's the it's the men and womenwho shed blood for this country in the name of
liberty and freedom.
Those are the first ones.
Number two, it's this it's the kids that arecoming behind us, coming my kids, your kids,
these people's grandchildren.
We have to leave this republic.
We're not a democracy.
I'm tired of hearing that.
We have to leave this republic in a shape thatthose kids get to taste the sweet taste of
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freedom and liberty.
That's what this is about.
And they can't do that.
We cannot do that without the ability to ownprivate property.
The very foundation of the constitution of TheUnited States guarantees, resource access
through private property.
I don't know of a better way that we could end,this episode.
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Chad, I appreciate you coming on the programtoday and shedding some light on the issue.
We're gonna do everything that we can, reachingout and sending this episode and others to
everyone that we know and encouraging them tosend it to their legislators and see how far we
can climb this thing up.
And maybe it will finally fall on some earsthat are ready to listen, and we can get this
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taken care of.
I really think that they have listened.
I think they've heard, but they gotta takeaction now.
It's none nothing happens until action takesplace, and I appreciate you letting us get this
story on, your podcast.
It's a very, very important story.
It is really the agriculture issue of our timeright now.
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It has to be rectified soon.
We're gonna pray that it does and, and praythat God shows his favor on America again.
Chad, can you share with us anywhere that wecan find out more information about you and
your organization and this case in particular?
Yeah.
So you can go to my Facebook page, ChadSullivan, American cattle rancher.
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You can also go to my ex.
He's at yearlands.rcalfusa.com is a great placeto go, and there you can find links to help
with the financial burden that the mods haveincurred.
And I really suggest everybody kinda I I hateto ask for money.
I'm not that type of guy, but we these are bigbills, and these are young people, and they are
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community people.
They're family people.
I mean, Charles Maud, a gentleman told meyesterday, he said Charles Maude's never done a
thing wrong in his life.
And I know that he's been very influential inhis local community.
He was a a national FFA award winner.
So was, Heather was very active in four h'syouth.
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They're volunteer fire people.
They're all about community, and this is just atravesty.
Well and I'd like to speak directly to Charlesand Heather Maude right now and to tell them
that help is most definitely on the way.
You have a great team around you.
Chad's been very giving of his time today toshare your story because obviously, you can't.
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And and that's, part of what they're trying todo to you, but we're Americans.
We are here for you as well, and we're gonna doeverything in our power to get this stopped and
to help you pay those lawyer bills that aren'tgonna go away even if the charges are dropped.
So Yeah.
I think a big benefit concert or or somethingof that nature is in order regardless of what
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happens on April 29.
That's right.
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