April 12, 2024 • 38 mins
Caroleene Dobson storms into our latest Patriot Games discussion, offering a raw and insightful look at Alabama's political turmoil. As we grapple with redistricting chaos and eye the prize of a majority-black district, Caroleene lays out her plan to rally conservative support in the face of electoral bedlam. Her passion is palpable; she's not here just to claim victory but to ensure the values of our Southern stronghold are echoed in Congress, safeguarding a prosperous future for her children and all of Alabama's 2nd Congressional District.
As the conversation unfurls, we cast a spotlight on the bedrock principles that define rural Alabama: unwavering hard work, nurturing humility, and an unshakeable faith in God. These aren't just quaint notions but the lifeblood of the community Caroleene aims to represent. We dissect the challenges these heartland regions face, from feeling neglected by the political elite to the dire need for fiscal restraint and economic revival. It’s a candid look at the unique tapestry of culture that binds these towns together, and the leadership required to honor and elevate their standing on the national stage.
We round out our dialogue with the weighty issues of border security and the leviathan of government spending, topics that resonate from the local diners to the hallowed halls of Washington. Drawing from my own experiences in Mississippi and Texas, we trade tales of triumph over government bloat and explore the intricacies of foreign policy that ripple back to our own backyards. It's a potent mix of grounded, Alabama insights and the larger puzzle pieces of American safety and prosperity, all shared here on Patriot Games with the indomitable Caroleene Dobson.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
And now your host's, greg Phillips.
Welcome back to Patriot Games.
Today we have a friend of ours,caroline Dobson.
Caroline is running for theAlabama 2nd Congressional
District's newly configured seat.
What happened was there weretwo districts bumped up right
against each other Alabama 1,jerry Carl, a Republican from
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just outside of Mobile, andAlabama 2, which was Barry
Moore's district.
Alabama 2, which was BarryMoore's district, the courts
came in and decided they wantedto make a mostly black district.
So they took Alabama 1 andAlabama 2, mashed them into one.
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Barry Moore was able to securethe nomination on the Republican
side in the first go around,but in the second congressional
district the newly configuredsecond congressional district,
which is now again configured tobe, I think, a majority black,
and the court wanted to make ablack district.
So they did, or they thoughtthey did anyway.
And now Caroline and a guynamed Dick Brubaker are running
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in the runoff for the Republicannomination for Alabama's newly
configured second congressionaldistrict.
So if you're sufficientlyconfused, welcome to the club.
I mean, they mailed out badballots.
They did all kinds of crazythings.
They couldn't quite figure outwhat the district lines looked
like.
I think Montgomery County sentout a bunch of ballots to the
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wrong people and it was just.
It was just a mess.
In any case, we are nowapproaching the runoff and I've
invited Caroline Dobson to comein and share with us her
thoughts about Alabama's secondcongressional district and why
she thinks she should be theperson to represent Alabama.
So with that, caroline, welcometo Patriot Games.
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Thank you so much for coming intoday.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
When we first were introduced, that district that
they created was, so I think,misplayed by the court.
I don't think the court had anyreal idea what they were doing.
They said this idea well, let'sjust, let's just figure out a
way to put Jerry, carl andBarrymore in the same district
and the rest of it will make ablack district.
It almost felt that way toeveryone, but now, as you look
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at it, I mean it's a verywinnable district for a
Republican.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Absolutely.
Yeah, no, that's very true andthat's what I thought.
You know, even when I filed,that was my motivation for
running, really I.
You know it was November 1st,the deadline for filing was
November 10th and there was nota single Republican that had
stepped up to file.
And this isn't a 60-40 district.
At the time, you know, wethought it was a 52-48 district,
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but you know the primaryresults showed otherwise.
Recent polling has shown thatit's even more competitive.
So you know it's got to be, youknow the nominee has got to be
a true conservative.
I think we've seen enough in alot of these purple districts
where Republicans say go, if we,you know, nominate a moderate,
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then they'll.
No, you need a trueconservative that is going to
motivate the Republican votersto get out and vote.
A moderate doesn't make anyonehappy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
When I first got in politics 40 years ago, there was
this thing going around wherewe wanted any candidate that we
helped or worked with or wereinvolved with to be able to
articulate who and what theywere in 50 words or less.
It's not a trick question, butit may seem like it.
So why are you doing this?
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Why did you decide to run?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I decided to run because I am concerned about the
world that my daughters areinheriting, because I am
concerned about the world thatmy daughters are inheriting.
I'm also so proud to be fromAlabama and I've lived other
places.
The minute I found out that Iwas expecting, my husband and I
we were living in Texas at thetime I'd gone to law school
there and literally the dayafter I started looking for jobs
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in Alabama because I wanted toraise my kids in Alabama.
I think we have the best peopleon earth, we have incredible
natural resources and you cannotbeat our values of hard work
and humility and faith in God,and we deserve to have
leadership in Washington that isfighting to restore our country
and fighting for the people ofDistrict 2.
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And I think you know I grew upin a small town, tiny town, I
just think rural America, smalltown America, that's the heart
of America and it's being leftbehind.
And so that's another reasonthat motivated me to run,
because I'm seeing from ourgovernment leaders that a lot of
them have no concept of lifeoutside urban areas, in the
suburbs, and that's what we'remissing and that's why we keep
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heading in the wrong direction.
Frankly, so kind of gettingback to those core values and
faith in God and that's probablyover 50 words.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's fine, it's perfect.
I actually grew up in what isnow this district and didn't
realize it until I was preparingfor it, because they picked up
that piece of Montgomery kind ofthat whole southern swath of
Montgomery.
Now it's changed markedly sincethe 70s when I lived there, but
it really is a not just thisdistrict but I think, the state
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and even maybe the South.
We're still very provincialright.
I mean people like I've workedin politics all through the
South, in Georgia and Alabamaand Mississippi and Texas and
really everywhere, and while Ithink it's still very much of a
where are you from kind of place, you're not from here or
whatever.
You're, your people yeah, youropponent seems to want to do
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that for some unknown reason,there's still an appreciation
for all of the things that yousaid, for faith and for hard
work, and I mean that districtin particular.
I mean there's a lot ofhardworking folks down there.
You know whether it's.
You know folks that grew up andlive on farms to.
You know even small-townAmerica.
I mean there are very fewplaces that are as
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representative in the UnitedStates, I believe, that are as
representative of what I callthe Big South kind of the
conservative America, thanAlabama's new second
congressional district.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
No, no, I think that's very true.
And, for instance, friday nightI was in Chatham, in Washington
County, at a ballpark and thereare all sorts of Little League
games going on and every teamwas praying together before each
game.
You know, and you, just, youdon't see that anymore and
that's again that's what we'vegot to get back to hard work,
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humility, faith and you know,yeah, provincialism, I think you
know it's not a pejorative inthis case, that is kind of, and
you know, again, a lot of thefolks that live in our cities in
Mobile, montgomery came fromsmall towns and still have those
values and that's why, you know, I think you have the quality
of life that you do in Mobileand Montgomery, because people
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are close-knit and they careabout each other and they care
about making their communitiesbetter and I've witnessed that
throughout this district.
Troy is a great exampleIncredible civic engagement,
amazing the city of Sims.
They're growing by leaps andbounds, very thoughtfully and
trying to stay, you know, togrow and create opportunities,
but stay true to their agrarianroots because they're the home
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to over 100 nurseries.
So it's really been, I mean,it's been inspiring.
It's been really interesting tosee how a lot of these
different parts of the district,the commonalities that they
share again, which I think arethose kind of core Alabama
values.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, it's really true.
Growing up in that district andsort of knowing it, as I did, I
mean, whether it was you knowdove hunting down in Pentlala or
you know and now it's grown somuch I mean Pentlala is sort of
adjacent to it for those of youwho don't know adjacent to a
really big automobile plant.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And the whole thing has changed so much.
I tell people a story about weused to Pentlala Creek, used to
cross under a county highway andwe would get in the bridge that
crossed over.
It was about about 60 feet soyou could, you could drop a, you
could drop a ski rope off of itand and and not barely hit the
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bottom, and we used to get up onthis on this bridge and jump
off the bridge as a car wascoming by, or we would have
somebody standing up there andanother one push somebody off
the bridge and cars would comeslamming doing a stop.
But that was old school,alabama, second Crest.
I'm pretty sure kids aren'tdoing that these days, or at
least I hope they're not.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, that's a beautiful area.
I think Pentlala-Snowdon issome of the prettiest land, best
Spanish moss in the state.
And that's.
I feel like a lot of peopledon't even know Woodley Road.
That's the Seven Bridges Roadin the Eagle Song and it's just,
it's a magical area but there'sso many pockets of that there.
I mean again, it's just.
This is an incredible district.
So much of Alabama history isSt Stephen's, the first capital,
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Montgomery, the last Capitol isin this district.
The Phoenix City story, that'sin this district.
So it's been my privilege tohave gotten to meet with so many
people that have lived thathistory Rosa Parks, obviously,
Hank Aaron down in Mobile soit's just been an incredible
opportunity and it's anincredible district.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So, when you get elected, what is it that you
believe you can bring toAlabama's second congressional
district and really really theSouth I mean the congresspeople
that are there today are allwhether you're in Georgia.
I mean, when I was helpingBarry in his race, marjorie
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Taylor Greene came down and theSouthern congresspeople are are
are really, especially theconservative ones are very close
knit.
Um, what do you think you'll beable to bring to that?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, a continued commitment, um, you know, first
and foremost to cuttinggovernment spending.
Um, we've got to have, we'vegot to increase our Republican
majority and we've got to havemore strong conservatives with a
backbone who are willing to sayenough is enough.
And if that means shutting downthe government to get
everyone's attention, that'swhat it's going to take and I
think it's important to remembertoo, when we shut the
government down, our militarycontinues to get their paychecks
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and people that are on socialsecurity get their social
security benefits, but you know,it's going to take a government
shutdown to.
We're about to go off afinancial cliff and that's why I
think, you know, especially theSouthern conservatives are seem
to be more attuned to that andseem to be, like we were talking
about earlier, kind of theScotch-Irish fight in us, seem
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to be willing to kind of take astand.
But that's what we've got to do, got to have more people that
are willing to stop kicking thecan down the road.
Of course we've also got tofight for our border security.
I mean and I hope that there isthat there has been some
resolution to our border before.
I would have the opportunity tobe sworn in in January because
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I think, on a daily basis, wecontinue to be invaded and the
safety of every American isbeing jeopardized increasingly
daily, as long as our bordersare flung open.
But if that is still in crisismode in January, that would also
you know, of course, of course,be, you know, a priority, and
then also just fighting backagainst the regulatory state.
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I think the legislative branchas a whole has got to curb the
power of the executive branch.
President Trump in 2020, theregulatory bill of rights that
was such a huge victory for theprivate citizen and the small
business owner and unheard offor the executive branch to curb
its own power.
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Of course, you didn't hearanything about that on the
mainstream media.
Trump got no credit for thatand again, the first president
in history to try to curb hisown power for the benefit of the
average American citizen.
But that's got to be codified.
In addition to just scalingback all of this agency and we
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abolish some agencies we need toscale a lot of them back,
really probably all of them back.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I spent a good bit of time in my career doing exactly
that and I can tell you that ittakes a strength of character
and backbone to cut government,really cut it.
You know, in DC cutting meanscutting the rate of growth.
It doesn't mean you're actuallygoing to cut.
It means you're going to growat 6% instead of 7% and then
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they all freak out and end upnot cutting anything and adding
a percent and the next thing,you know, you add 10% new
employees.
My career took me toMississippi where my job was
really to cut the size ofgovernment.
So the governor put me in acouple of different departments
and my job was really to cut thesize of government.
So the governor put me in acouple of different departments
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and my job was to cut it.
I ended up because of thatexperience and me being maybe
the only one in America that hadever done that at the time, and
even now, rick Perry hired meto come out when he was governor
in Texas to come out and dothat to the Health and Human
Services Commission.
We had a $4 billion current yeardeficit that we had to solve in
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Health and Human Services.
So we had a.
I think we had an $80 billionbiennial budget.
We had 65,000 employees.
We let go or I let go of 25,000of employees.
We fixed the budget so we savedthousands, millions and
millions and millions of dollars, mostly just taking on like big
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pharma.
I mean we cut big pharma's, Imean way out of everything.
Right.
But I could tell you that thereare few to no people that I
know.
There's a lot of people thattalk really big Republicans,
democrats, whatever, includingin Congress that have the
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backbone to actually cutgovernment.
What they'll tell you is oh,you can't do it.
They're civil service, they'rethis, they're that.
Biden's made some recent movesto solidify some of those false
positions.
But I'll tell you, if we don'tdo this, I just don't know.
Your daughters, mygranddaughter, my grandson, I
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mean these kids are coming intoan environment that we've never
witnessed in 80 years, 90 years.
We've never seen this beforeand it's about to get ugly.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It is, it is no, and that's what we've got to take
action.
And again, that's anotherreason that we need more strong
conservatives.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We need to stop sending moderate Republicans,
because it's a battle, it reallyis, I jokingly said recently,
everybody's beating up onSpeaker Johnson, and rightly so.
With some of the things thathave happened recently, people
don't really understand whatit's like to be the Speaker.
To be a conservative in thatrole is really tough.
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He has a one-vote margin nowand it's really hard, and so I
half-joked on him the other day,tweeted that that or pushed out
on the true social that.
Here's what I think Johnsonshould do.
He should walk in, bringeverybody to order and then just
say look, no more bills, nomore spending.
This, this chamber, isadjourned.
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I'll see you in January andit's a lot for sure.
But they've got.
I think they have 57 days leftactually in session, and I
believe that America, this ishard to understand or even
swallow, but it's possible thatwhat I'm saying is right.
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If we are better off, if youdon't spend any more money, if
you don't do any more bills,surely we'd have to have some
emergency capability ifsomething bad happened, whatever
, I don't know about that.
But as for regular order andregular business, we don't need
any more laws, we don't need anymore spending.
What we need to do is we need anew Congress in, we need a new
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president in.
We need a new administrationand they need to get together
and figure out what in the worldare we going to do about this
spending problem, and it's aproblem.
We spend $6 billion a day thatwe don't have.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
A day.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And then everybody gets all mad because somebody's
sending $6 billion or $5 billionto do this, $5 billion to do
that.
It's just insane.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
No, it is, it is Definitely.
I mean it's troubling and wedon't talk about it enough.
I feel like, again, it's justsomething we cannot keep
postponing, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
When I lived in Texas because of my role at Health
and Human Services, I had aunique perspective on the border
and what was happening.
This was a number of years ago,but nevertheless, I mean, it
was during the time that Bushwas contemplating, you know,
building the 20-foot wall withhooks over the top so you could
just basically throw, you know,you could basically lasso the
top and pull yourself over.
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And then Trump, you know, cameup with a different wall type.
I want to ask you this, becauseyou have a unique perspective
on the border, because of yourfamily ties and everything in
the Valley and in South Texas ingeneral, it seems to me that,
at least from what I've seencoming out of Panama and I've
actually been there in the lastfew weeks what I see coming
across the border, what I seeMexico allowing, what I see
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coming across the border, what Isee Mexico allowing, it seems
to me that there are somefundamental things that we could
do, not to spend a lot moremoney or any more money, but
just to solidify this.
And so my three points if Icould just get your reaction on
these were the first thing weneed to do is we need to get on
the phone with Mexico and tellthem you have 24 hours to stop
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this.
And if they say, or what?
What are you going to do?
Easy, Just shut it down.
Just shut it down, no moretrade.
We'll block your ports.
We'll do everything, no more.
The reason I know that will workis when we remember back in
January when Abbott sued, orAbbott was sued, and then the
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Supreme Court ruled and all thistype of stuff.
They all needed to have allmeaning.
All politicians needed to beable to get a win right.
So you had all these governorscoming down to Eagle Pass, down
to Shelby Park and Eagle Pass,and they basically blocked off
Eagle Pass so that everybodycould have their photo ops is
what the deal was.
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But what also happened when wewent down there during that time
is there were nothing.
We didn't see one migrant.
We went up and down the border.
We didn't see one.
You know why Mexico held 15,000of them at their southern
border in advance of that sothat everybody could get their
photo ops, so that they wouldn'tget in trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's a game, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So Mexico does that or we do it.
The second thing I think weought to do anyway is I think we
need to defoliate the poppyfields.
There are heroin-growing poppyfields 90,000 acres, within 200
miles of the United States90,000 acres.
We have a lot of napalm, a lotof chemicals left from the
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Vietnam War we have no idea whatto do with.
You run it through sortiesthrough there.
You wipe out their poppy fields.
You know, I guarantee you, thecartels will react.
You know they don't want thisto happen.
So they're going to tell Mexicoyou've got to stop this or this
is a problem, right?
The second major thing we needto do is we need to and I think
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Trump's the only one thatactually would do or could do
this I'm not even sure if hewill fully do it or not but you
have to have a mass deportation.
The reason they're coming isbecause they have no hope of,
they don't care, they're notgoing to get deported, no matter
what happens.
And then the final thing isthey really do need to finish up
Trump's border wall.
Yes, absolutely, and so do youhave any?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I mean, you've got your family that is down there,
yeah yeah, my husband has familyin South Texas and this has
been going on a long, long time.
I mean, mexico for decades hasjust relinquished control of its
country to the cartels and Ihear a lot of people here say,
oh well, mexico is such a poorcountry.
Or people that go on missiontrips to our church actually had
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a mission trip to Mexico andthey were saying it was a school
for the deaf that they werebuilding and fortunately the
cartel didn't bother us becauseone of the cartel members has a
deaf child.
I mean, we're at the pointwhere you have to negotiate.
Churches are having tonegotiate with the cartel to do
mission work, but that justshows you, I mean, and it's not.
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The thing is it doesn't have tobe a poor country.
It does not have our network ofinland waterways, but other
than that it has got incrediblenatural resources silver, oil
and gas, obviously so much coast.
You know, mexico could be apartner and they could be a peer
if they would take control oftheir country, and I think for
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too long.
In general, you know, I feellike US foreign policy.
We've got very nuanced,developed foreign policy stances
with respect to the Balticstates, to nations in Europe,
and then we're ignoring all ofour neighbors to the south.
I mean, I can count on not evencan't even count on one hand,
the number of democracies inLatin America and we just ignore
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it.
I mean we ignore Venezuela'sinvasion of Guyana.
And you know, and that's thething too, it's.
You know, when America was ayoung nation, one of our early
foreign policy developments wasthe Monroe Doctrine.
I mean, our forefathersrecognized the importance of,
you know, this hemisphere andensuring that.
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You know that there is, youknow, appropriate leadership and
that you know we notnecessarily are unified, because
we never will be, but that thishemisphere isn't in turmoil,
and we're never.
You know, we need to absolutelyclose the border.
We have got to takeunprecedented measures to deport
everyone who's here illegally.
We have got to change thepolicy that a child born to
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illegal aliens is entitled to UScitizenship.
It's not, it should not be.
So we've got to take thoseefforts.
But again, growing up, my mom'sfavorite expression was nip it
in the bud.
And we're never going to nip itin the bud until we get to the
root of the problem, which isthe fact that most of our
neighbors to the south have nocontrol over their countries.
It's run by drug cartels, it'srun by communists.
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It's, you know, so much ofLatin America is being reverse
colonized by China.
You know, china buys one thirdof Brazil's exports.
China is the primary owner of alithium mine in Bolivia, you
know.
And again, as long as thesecountries continue to fail,
they're prime territory for thecartel to take over, prime
territory for China to come inand invest and provide illusory
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opportunities for the peoplethere in exchange for, you know,
global domination in exchangefor global domination.
So we've got to take a tougherstance towards Mexico, but we've
got to focus on what'shappening to our South,
certainly.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
One of the things and this is that Scott's Irish
fighter in me that really hasfrustrated me in your race has
been your opponent and some ofthe things that he has come out
and said I'm just going to telleverybody, all of my listeners,
everybody I'm not a DickBrubaker fan.
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I've never been.
He and I are the same age.
We grew up together inMontgomery.
I'm just not a fan, and so getthat out.
That's not her saying, it, it'sme.
What I don't understand abouthim is this guy.
I don't know if he's just aflat out elitist, I don't know
what it is, but but you know, hehad the audacity to have his
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people reach out to me to see ifI would get Trump to endorse
him in the, in the primary, noteven in the runoff in the
primary.
And as I started digging aroundand looking at this and as I
said, I don't care for him, sodon't torch me, I don't care, I
just don't like him I learnedthat he said that he called
Trump an adulterer.
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He has been absolutely a neverTrump in his approach, in his
words.
Not only would I not supportPresident Trump endorsing him,
but I mean I don't think theAlabama 2nd Congressional
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District.
He just doesn't match up withthem.
He's not hardworking, he's not.
I mean, he missed.
I think I read somewhere hemissed 22 critical votes while
he was in the Alabama StateSenate.
And if you do that in theCongress, if we have a very thin
margin, like we had now, and hejust decides not to show up,
Right right.
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This just doesn't work.
It doesn't work, no, no, I meanhe's just.
I'm not asking you to comment,I just he's not hardworking
enough.
He doesn't have the passions hedoesn't care.
I think he cares about him, Ithink he cares about his friends
.
I think he cares about a fewpeople in Montgomery, but about
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his friends.
I think he cares about a fewpeople in Montgomery, but I
don't think he cares about, youknow, folks in Ramer or folks
from your hometown.
I just don't.
I just don't think he cares.
What is, in your view, what isthe difference between you and
Dick Brubaker?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Well, I think.
First, there's a difference invalues.
If you look at his votingrecord, it's one of a moderate.
You know he voted with everyDemocrat in the state Senate in
a bill that passed 14 to 13, toreduce penalties for falsifying
voter ID cards.
Now more than ever, we need tobe cracking down.
(27:18):
I mean, you know electioninterference is such a problem
and will continue to be so withthe influx of eight to 10
million illegal aliens that havecome here since Biden's taken
office.
We need someone who is crackingdown on this, not someone, and
but that's.
Voter ID issues and fraud hasbeen a problem in Alabama for a
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long time and I'm grateful forthe state Senate in this
legislative session.
You know their first bill wasaddressing ballot harvesting,
but this has been a problem fora long time.
So you know, voted for thelargest tax hike in Alabama
history.
You know.
So there's a difference ofvalues and priorities and just
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being in touch with what's goingon and standing for
conservative values.
But then there's also adifference in work ethic too.
You know, look, since November 1, I have been putting in 16-hour
days in this district not todrum up voters but to hear from
the people in this districtAgain.
I grew up in rural MonroeCounty.
I live in Montgomery districtnot to drum up voters but to
hear from the people in thisdistrict.
Again, I grew up in ruralMonroe County.
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I live in Montgomery now, but Irealize that that's just, you
know experiences in just two ofthese counties and there's so
much that I, and still you knowevery day I realize what more I
don't know, that I need to know.
But we have, you know, such avaried you know this district
because of of the way that youknow it was not designed with
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any sort of geographical commonsense.
It was designed, you know, asyou discussed, to have to have a
higher black voter voting agepopulation.
So so you know there's there'sa lot of varied interests, a lot
of varied needs in thisdistrict and in order to
represent all of this district,I felt it was my duty to get out
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there and meet people.
I've committed to, even thoughI've got a husband and two young
daughters in Montgomery, Icommitted to spending two days a
week in Mobile because there'sso many industries there that
are very niche to the coastalarea.
You know, you have, of course,and then the Port of Mobile, but
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you have shipbuilding, you havefishing.
You know so many industriesthat I didn't know anything
about that are.
Snapper, for instance, is veryheavily federally regulated, and
you know, I didn't knowanything about that growing up
on a cattle farm in MonroeCounty.
So so it's um.
You know, I felt that it wasn'tjust um, it didn't just behoove
me as a candidate, but if, if,I'm actually going to represent
these people, I've got to spendtime out in these communities.
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I've, I've been to to Petrie,I've been to Goshen, you know I,
you know, got to that's.
And again, I feel like a lot offolks in small-town America
feel ignored right now and feelleft behind, and so that's also
been a goal of mine to spendtime with them, sit down at
their kids' ballgames, go totheir church, fish fries and
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really hear from them, and Idon't see my opponent doing that
.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, that's because he's not.
He's home doing whatever hedoes.
You don't have a lot of timeleft for the primary.
What are you going to dobetween now and then?
And then, how do you feel thatthe I feel the momentum behind
you is growing?
I mean, I think everybody I'vetalked to down there.
I was down there last weekmeeting with some mutual friends
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of ours and we got into areally interesting conversation
about it.
It was actually the day of yourdebate that we thought was
quite interesting.
Do you feel the momentum whileyou're out there?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I do, I do, I do and I it's you know.
But at the same time, you know,that's what kind of keeps
inspiring me is.
I feel like every day I meetsomeone who's working so hard to
make a difference in theircommunity and that inspires me
to, because I mean, I'm humanlike anyone.
I get tired or frustrated inthis process can definitely kind
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of get you down at times.
But then you just have to stayfocused on the people that are
working so hard to make theircommunities better and I'm like
gosh, they really deserve tohave a leader who is or not even
a leader a representative whois fighting for them in
Washington, and so that kind ofkeeps me focused.
(31:34):
And so this next week again, I'mgoing to be back in every
single county in the districtbetween now and next Tuesday,
just trying to again meet withmore folks and let them know
what I stand for and also justencouraging them to get out to
vote.
This is the only race on theballot in many counties, so I
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think turnout, unfortunately, isgoing to be low.
So just encouraging people to,you know, to go to the polls on
Tuesday.
It won't take long, it's just.
It's just one race.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's going to be big lines, right?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
One of the one of the the curiosities is what I
brought up in the beginning.
The way this district wasconfigured by the courts was to
basically create a new blackdistrict.
That's what they wanted to do,and so they pitted, you know,
barry against Jerry Carl, andthey just assumed that this
would be a black district, andthe court was pretty unabashed
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about their opinion on this.
John Wall, the chairman of theAlabama GOP, and I spoke the
other day and had some prettydetailed conversations about
this, and we're working on someplans to build what we're
calling community grants, andit's going to be grants of data
and grants of things that localcandidates can use.
In so doing, john and I havespent some bit of time talking
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about this that this district isvery winnable, and not
necessarily by a Republican or aDemocrat, but by somebody like
you.
I think that holds those valuesthat those rural districts have
.
People that think that justbecause, say, all the blacks in
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Montgomery are going to vote oneway, say, all the blacks in
Montgomery are going to vote oneway, or all the people out in
rural America, but in this caserural Alabama, are going to vote
the way that some court saidthat they were going to.
It's insulting, it is insulting, it's racist and it's insulting
.
But I mean, I have friends thatI grew up with in Montgomery.
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I know people in the districtthat are African American.
This is not what everybodythinks it is.
I mean, I think there's achance that with Trump on the
ballot and his pull towardAfrican Americans that has been
fairly profound, a big change.
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I think there's a real chanceto win this district.
This isn't just a giveawayanymore.
No, no, and that's why it'simportant, I think, that we
elect you, or that we nominateyou and then ultimately elect
you.
Are you seeing any of that out?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
there.
Oh, absolutely Last night I wasin Mobile and talking to
several black voters who weresaying you know, I don't, I'm
not necessarily a Republican.
You know, I don't know if theywere willing to characterize
themselves as a Republicannecessarily, but they're saying
I do feel left behind by theDemocrat Party.
You know I'm a God fearing,hardworking taxpayer trying to.
(34:37):
I was talking to one woman, forinstance, who she and her
husband had started a FedExbusiness in Mobile.
And so they were saying you know, the insurance that they're
paying is astronomical.
When they buy a new truck, theyhave to pay the 12% heavy duty
commercial vehicle excise tax.
And then you know, they're veryinvolved in their church and
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they considered, of course, likeall of us all of us did Biden's
Transgender Visibility Day justa slap in the face and they
said you know, we that's.
You know, if we were Democrats,we're not anymore, and I think
more and more Democrats arewaking up to the fact that you
know what what a Democrat meansis now been, you know, hijacked
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by the far left, and thatlimited government and
conservative policies are theones that are going to, you know
, ensure that their kids canfreely worship God, create
opportunities.
So many of the small businessowners in this district are
minority and the barrier toentry for a small business owner
to just get off the ground hasnever been higher due to
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increased government spending,inflation, taxes, overregulation
, everything that Biden's beendoing to our economy, and then,
of course, the border crisis.
I mean that concerns everysingle American white voters,
black voters, hispanic votersthat you know.
I think that you saw that evenin 2020, with Trump carrying so
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many of the border counties inTexas.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know those were red for the first time.
It's going to be profound thistime.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh, absolutely yeah, so so no, I absolutely believe
that this district is winnableif we have a true conservative
who is willing to put in thework.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So have you all been able to estimate how many votes
or what turnout is going to looklike?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Unfortunately, we think it's probably going to be
about 10 percent, if that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We estimated on the high side, maybe 14.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And that's just not a lot of folks.
I mean, there's going to be avery light turnout.
I'm optimistic for you thatthis is going to go your way.
I'm even more optimistic that,with you as the nominee, that
we'll have a chance to win thatdistrict in November.
Is there anything else you'dlike to tell everybody?
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I mean, you're an amazingperson.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I tell people all the time that people ask you why
don't you run for something?
I mean run for the border maybe.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I mean I'm not running away from the border
right now.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, true, well, listen, this has been a great
visit.
Well, I just want to thankCaroline Dobson for taking the
time and driving all the way upto Birmingham to visit with us.
The Alabama secondcongressional district primary
is next Tuesday, a criticallyimportant time for both Alabama
and the United States of America.
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We've got to have more peoplelike her engaging in the process
and really look forward tosupporting her in the general
election.
I believe we can win thisdistrict and I believe a lot of
folks here in Alabama believethat as well.
So thanks so much for joiningus on Patriot Games.
I'm Greg Phillips.
I'll see you next week.
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And now your host's, greg Phillips.
Welcome back to Patriot Games.
Today we have a friend of ours,caroline Dobson.
Caroline is running for theAlabama 2nd Congressional
District's newly configured seat.
What happened was there weretwo districts bumped up right
against each other Alabama 1,jerry Carl, a Republican from
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just outside of Mobile, andAlabama 2, which was Barry
Moore's district.
Alabama 2, which was BarryMoore's district, the courts
came in and decided they wantedto make a mostly black district.
So they took Alabama 1 andAlabama 2, mashed them into one.
(01:57):
Barry Moore was able to securethe nomination on the Republican
side in the first go around,but in the second congressional
district the newly configuredsecond congressional district,
which is now again configured tobe, I think, a majority black,
and the court wanted to make ablack district.
So they did, or they thoughtthey did anyway.
And now Caroline and a guynamed Dick Brubaker are running
(02:22):
in the runoff for the Republicannomination for Alabama's newly
configured second congressionaldistrict.
So if you're sufficientlyconfused, welcome to the club.
I mean, they mailed out badballots.
They did all kinds of crazythings.
They couldn't quite figure outwhat the district lines looked
like.
I think Montgomery County sentout a bunch of ballots to the
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wrong people and it was just.
It was just a mess.
In any case, we are nowapproaching the runoff and I've
invited Caroline Dobson to comein and share with us her
thoughts about Alabama's secondcongressional district and why
she thinks she should be theperson to represent Alabama.
So with that, caroline, welcometo Patriot Games.
(03:08):
Thank you so much for coming intoday.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
When we first were introduced, that district that
they created was, so I think,misplayed by the court.
I don't think the court had anyreal idea what they were doing.
They said this idea well, let'sjust, let's just figure out a
way to put Jerry, carl andBarrymore in the same district
and the rest of it will make ablack district.
It almost felt that way toeveryone, but now, as you look
(03:36):
at it, I mean it's a verywinnable district for a
Republican.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Absolutely.
Yeah, no, that's very true andthat's what I thought.
You know, even when I filed,that was my motivation for
running, really I.
You know it was November 1st,the deadline for filing was
November 10th and there was nota single Republican that had
stepped up to file.
And this isn't a 60-40 district.
At the time, you know, wethought it was a 52-48 district,
(04:04):
but you know the primaryresults showed otherwise.
Recent polling has shown thatit's even more competitive.
So you know it's got to be, youknow the nominee has got to be
a true conservative.
I think we've seen enough in alot of these purple districts
where Republicans say go, if we,you know, nominate a moderate,
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then they'll.
No, you need a trueconservative that is going to
motivate the Republican votersto get out and vote.
A moderate doesn't make anyonehappy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
When I first got in politics 40 years ago, there was
this thing going around wherewe wanted any candidate that we
helped or worked with or wereinvolved with to be able to
articulate who and what theywere in 50 words or less.
It's not a trick question, butit may seem like it.
So why are you doing this?
(04:57):
Why did you decide to run?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I decided to run because I am concerned about the
world that my daughters areinheriting, because I am
concerned about the world thatmy daughters are inheriting.
I'm also so proud to be fromAlabama and I've lived other
places.
The minute I found out that Iwas expecting, my husband and I
we were living in Texas at thetime I'd gone to law school
there and literally the dayafter I started looking for jobs
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in Alabama because I wanted toraise my kids in Alabama.
I think we have the best peopleon earth, we have incredible
natural resources and you cannotbeat our values of hard work
and humility and faith in God,and we deserve to have
leadership in Washington that isfighting to restore our country
and fighting for the people ofDistrict 2.
(05:39):
And I think you know I grew upin a small town, tiny town, I
just think rural America, smalltown America, that's the heart
of America and it's being leftbehind.
And so that's another reasonthat motivated me to run,
because I'm seeing from ourgovernment leaders that a lot of
them have no concept of lifeoutside urban areas, in the
suburbs, and that's what we'remissing and that's why we keep
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heading in the wrong direction.
Frankly, so kind of gettingback to those core values and
faith in God and that's probablyover 50 words.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's fine, it's perfect.
I actually grew up in what isnow this district and didn't
realize it until I was preparingfor it, because they picked up
that piece of Montgomery kind ofthat whole southern swath of
Montgomery.
Now it's changed markedly sincethe 70s when I lived there, but
it really is a not just thisdistrict but I think, the state
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and even maybe the South.
We're still very provincialright.
I mean people like I've workedin politics all through the
South, in Georgia and Alabamaand Mississippi and Texas and
really everywhere, and while Ithink it's still very much of a
where are you from kind of place, you're not from here or
whatever.
You're, your people yeah, youropponent seems to want to do
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that for some unknown reason,there's still an appreciation
for all of the things that yousaid, for faith and for hard
work, and I mean that districtin particular.
I mean there's a lot ofhardworking folks down there.
You know whether it's.
You know folks that grew up andlive on farms to.
You know even small-townAmerica.
I mean there are very fewplaces that are as
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representative in the UnitedStates, I believe, that are as
representative of what I callthe Big South kind of the
conservative America, thanAlabama's new second
congressional district.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
No, no, I think that's very true.
And, for instance, friday nightI was in Chatham, in Washington
County, at a ballpark and thereare all sorts of Little League
games going on and every teamwas praying together before each
game.
You know, and you, just, youdon't see that anymore and
that's again that's what we'vegot to get back to hard work,
(07:55):
humility, faith and you know,yeah, provincialism, I think you
know it's not a pejorative inthis case, that is kind of, and
you know, again, a lot of thefolks that live in our cities in
Mobile, montgomery came fromsmall towns and still have those
values and that's why, you know, I think you have the quality
of life that you do in Mobileand Montgomery, because people
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are close-knit and they careabout each other and they care
about making their communitiesbetter and I've witnessed that
throughout this district.
Troy is a great exampleIncredible civic engagement,
amazing the city of Sims.
They're growing by leaps andbounds, very thoughtfully and
trying to stay, you know, togrow and create opportunities,
but stay true to their agrarianroots because they're the home
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to over 100 nurseries.
So it's really been, I mean,it's been inspiring.
It's been really interesting tosee how a lot of these
different parts of the district,the commonalities that they
share again, which I think arethose kind of core Alabama
values.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, it's really true.
Growing up in that district andsort of knowing it, as I did, I
mean, whether it was you knowdove hunting down in Pentlala or
you know and now it's grown somuch I mean Pentlala is sort of
adjacent to it for those of youwho don't know adjacent to a
really big automobile plant.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And the whole thing has changed so much.
I tell people a story about weused to Pentlala Creek, used to
cross under a county highway andwe would get in the bridge that
crossed over.
It was about about 60 feet soyou could, you could drop a, you
could drop a ski rope off of itand and and not barely hit the
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bottom, and we used to get up onthis on this bridge and jump
off the bridge as a car wascoming by, or we would have
somebody standing up there andanother one push somebody off
the bridge and cars would comeslamming doing a stop.
But that was old school,alabama, second Crest.
I'm pretty sure kids aren'tdoing that these days, or at
least I hope they're not.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, that's a beautiful area.
I think Pentlala-Snowdon issome of the prettiest land, best
Spanish moss in the state.
And that's.
I feel like a lot of peopledon't even know Woodley Road.
That's the Seven Bridges Roadin the Eagle Song and it's just,
it's a magical area but there'sso many pockets of that there.
I mean again, it's just.
This is an incredible district.
So much of Alabama history isSt Stephen's, the first capital,
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Montgomery, the last Capitol isin this district.
The Phoenix City story, that'sin this district.
So it's been my privilege tohave gotten to meet with so many
people that have lived thathistory Rosa Parks, obviously,
Hank Aaron down in Mobile soit's just been an incredible
opportunity and it's anincredible district.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So, when you get elected, what is it that you
believe you can bring toAlabama's second congressional
district and really really theSouth I mean the congresspeople
that are there today are allwhether you're in Georgia.
I mean, when I was helpingBarry in his race, marjorie
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Taylor Greene came down and theSouthern congresspeople are are
are really, especially theconservative ones are very close
knit.
Um, what do you think you'll beable to bring to that?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, a continued commitment, um, you know, first
and foremost to cuttinggovernment spending.
Um, we've got to have, we'vegot to increase our Republican
majority and we've got to havemore strong conservatives with a
backbone who are willing to sayenough is enough.
And if that means shutting downthe government to get
everyone's attention, that'swhat it's going to take and I
think it's important to remembertoo, when we shut the
government down, our militarycontinues to get their paychecks
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and people that are on socialsecurity get their social
security benefits, but you know,it's going to take a government
shutdown to.
We're about to go off afinancial cliff and that's why I
think, you know, especially theSouthern conservatives are seem
to be more attuned to that andseem to be, like we were talking
about earlier, kind of theScotch-Irish fight in us, seem
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to be willing to kind of take astand.
But that's what we've got to do, got to have more people that
are willing to stop kicking thecan down the road.
Of course we've also got tofight for our border security.
I mean and I hope that there isthat there has been some
resolution to our border before.
I would have the opportunity tobe sworn in in January because
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I think, on a daily basis, wecontinue to be invaded and the
safety of every American isbeing jeopardized increasingly
daily, as long as our bordersare flung open.
But if that is still in crisismode in January, that would also
you know, of course, of course,be, you know, a priority, and
then also just fighting backagainst the regulatory state.
(12:42):
I think the legislative branchas a whole has got to curb the
power of the executive branch.
President Trump in 2020, theregulatory bill of rights that
was such a huge victory for theprivate citizen and the small
business owner and unheard offor the executive branch to curb
its own power.
(13:02):
Of course, you didn't hearanything about that on the
mainstream media.
Trump got no credit for thatand again, the first president
in history to try to curb hisown power for the benefit of the
average American citizen.
But that's got to be codified.
In addition to just scalingback all of this agency and we
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abolish some agencies we need toscale a lot of them back,
really probably all of them back.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I spent a good bit of time in my career doing exactly
that and I can tell you that ittakes a strength of character
and backbone to cut government,really cut it.
You know, in DC cutting meanscutting the rate of growth.
It doesn't mean you're actuallygoing to cut.
It means you're going to growat 6% instead of 7% and then
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they all freak out and end upnot cutting anything and adding
a percent and the next thing,you know, you add 10% new
employees.
My career took me toMississippi where my job was
really to cut the size ofgovernment.
So the governor put me in acouple of different departments
and my job was really to cut thesize of government.
So the governor put me in acouple of different departments
(14:08):
and my job was to cut it.
I ended up because of thatexperience and me being maybe
the only one in America that hadever done that at the time, and
even now, rick Perry hired meto come out when he was governor
in Texas to come out and dothat to the Health and Human
Services Commission.
We had a $4 billion current yeardeficit that we had to solve in
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Health and Human Services.
So we had a.
I think we had an $80 billionbiennial budget.
We had 65,000 employees.
We let go or I let go of 25,000of employees.
We fixed the budget so we savedthousands, millions and
millions and millions of dollars, mostly just taking on like big
(14:52):
pharma.
I mean we cut big pharma's, Imean way out of everything.
Right.
But I could tell you that thereare few to no people that I
know.
There's a lot of people thattalk really big Republicans,
democrats, whatever, includingin Congress that have the
(15:13):
backbone to actually cutgovernment.
What they'll tell you is oh,you can't do it.
They're civil service, they'rethis, they're that.
Biden's made some recent movesto solidify some of those false
positions.
But I'll tell you, if we don'tdo this, I just don't know.
Your daughters, mygranddaughter, my grandson, I
(15:34):
mean these kids are coming intoan environment that we've never
witnessed in 80 years, 90 years.
We've never seen this beforeand it's about to get ugly.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It is, it is no, and that's what we've got to take
action.
And again, that's anotherreason that we need more strong
conservatives.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We need to stop sending moderate Republicans,
because it's a battle, it reallyis, I jokingly said recently,
everybody's beating up onSpeaker Johnson, and rightly so.
With some of the things thathave happened recently, people
don't really understand whatit's like to be the Speaker.
To be a conservative in thatrole is really tough.
(16:18):
He has a one-vote margin nowand it's really hard, and so I
half-joked on him the other day,tweeted that that or pushed out
on the true social that.
Here's what I think Johnsonshould do.
He should walk in, bringeverybody to order and then just
say look, no more bills, nomore spending.
This, this chamber, isadjourned.
(16:40):
I'll see you in January andit's a lot for sure.
But they've got.
I think they have 57 days leftactually in session, and I
believe that America, this ishard to understand or even
swallow, but it's possible thatwhat I'm saying is right.
(17:01):
If we are better off, if youdon't spend any more money, if
you don't do any more bills,surely we'd have to have some
emergency capability ifsomething bad happened, whatever
, I don't know about that.
But as for regular order andregular business, we don't need
any more laws, we don't need anymore spending.
What we need to do is we need anew Congress in, we need a new
(17:22):
president in.
We need a new administrationand they need to get together
and figure out what in the worldare we going to do about this
spending problem, and it's aproblem.
We spend $6 billion a day thatwe don't have.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
A day.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And then everybody gets all mad because somebody's
sending $6 billion or $5 billionto do this, $5 billion to do
that.
It's just insane.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
No, it is, it is Definitely.
I mean it's troubling and wedon't talk about it enough.
I feel like, again, it's justsomething we cannot keep
postponing, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
When I lived in Texas because of my role at Health
and Human Services, I had aunique perspective on the border
and what was happening.
This was a number of years ago,but nevertheless, I mean, it
was during the time that Bushwas contemplating, you know,
building the 20-foot wall withhooks over the top so you could
just basically throw, you know,you could basically lasso the
top and pull yourself over.
(18:20):
And then Trump, you know, cameup with a different wall type.
I want to ask you this, becauseyou have a unique perspective
on the border, because of yourfamily ties and everything in
the Valley and in South Texas ingeneral, it seems to me that,
at least from what I've seencoming out of Panama and I've
actually been there in the lastfew weeks what I see coming
across the border, what I seeMexico allowing, what I see
(18:42):
coming across the border, what Isee Mexico allowing, it seems
to me that there are somefundamental things that we could
do, not to spend a lot moremoney or any more money, but
just to solidify this.
And so my three points if Icould just get your reaction on
these were the first thing weneed to do is we need to get on
the phone with Mexico and tellthem you have 24 hours to stop
(19:05):
this.
And if they say, or what?
What are you going to do?
Easy, Just shut it down.
Just shut it down, no moretrade.
We'll block your ports.
We'll do everything, no more.
The reason I know that will workis when we remember back in
January when Abbott sued, orAbbott was sued, and then the
(19:29):
Supreme Court ruled and all thistype of stuff.
They all needed to have allmeaning.
All politicians needed to beable to get a win right.
So you had all these governorscoming down to Eagle Pass, down
to Shelby Park and Eagle Pass,and they basically blocked off
Eagle Pass so that everybodycould have their photo ops is
what the deal was.
(19:49):
But what also happened when wewent down there during that time
is there were nothing.
We didn't see one migrant.
We went up and down the border.
We didn't see one.
You know why Mexico held 15,000of them at their southern
border in advance of that sothat everybody could get their
photo ops, so that they wouldn'tget in trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's a game, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So Mexico does that or we do it.
The second thing I think weought to do anyway is I think we
need to defoliate the poppyfields.
There are heroin-growing poppyfields 90,000 acres, within 200
miles of the United States90,000 acres.
We have a lot of napalm, a lotof chemicals left from the
(20:36):
Vietnam War we have no idea whatto do with.
You run it through sortiesthrough there.
You wipe out their poppy fields.
You know, I guarantee you, thecartels will react.
You know they don't want thisto happen.
So they're going to tell Mexicoyou've got to stop this or this
is a problem, right?
The second major thing we needto do is we need to and I think
(20:57):
Trump's the only one thatactually would do or could do
this I'm not even sure if hewill fully do it or not but you
have to have a mass deportation.
The reason they're coming isbecause they have no hope of,
they don't care, they're notgoing to get deported, no matter
what happens.
And then the final thing isthey really do need to finish up
Trump's border wall.
Yes, absolutely, and so do youhave any?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I mean, you've got your family that is down there,
yeah yeah, my husband has familyin South Texas and this has
been going on a long, long time.
I mean, mexico for decades hasjust relinquished control of its
country to the cartels and Ihear a lot of people here say,
oh well, mexico is such a poorcountry.
Or people that go on missiontrips to our church actually had
(21:41):
a mission trip to Mexico andthey were saying it was a school
for the deaf that they werebuilding and fortunately the
cartel didn't bother us becauseone of the cartel members has a
deaf child.
I mean, we're at the pointwhere you have to negotiate.
Churches are having tonegotiate with the cartel to do
mission work, but that justshows you, I mean, and it's not.
(22:02):
The thing is it doesn't have tobe a poor country.
It does not have our network ofinland waterways, but other
than that it has got incrediblenatural resources silver, oil
and gas, obviously so much coast.
You know, mexico could be apartner and they could be a peer
if they would take control oftheir country, and I think for
(22:23):
too long.
In general, you know, I feellike US foreign policy.
We've got very nuanced,developed foreign policy stances
with respect to the Balticstates, to nations in Europe,
and then we're ignoring all ofour neighbors to the south.
I mean, I can count on not evencan't even count on one hand,
the number of democracies inLatin America and we just ignore
(22:47):
it.
I mean we ignore Venezuela'sinvasion of Guyana.
And you know, and that's thething too, it's.
You know, when America was ayoung nation, one of our early
foreign policy developments wasthe Monroe Doctrine.
I mean, our forefathersrecognized the importance of,
you know, this hemisphere andensuring that.
(23:08):
You know that there is, youknow, appropriate leadership and
that you know we notnecessarily are unified, because
we never will be, but that thishemisphere isn't in turmoil,
and we're never.
You know, we need to absolutelyclose the border.
We have got to takeunprecedented measures to deport
everyone who's here illegally.
We have got to change thepolicy that a child born to
(23:32):
illegal aliens is entitled to UScitizenship.
It's not, it should not be.
So we've got to take thoseefforts.
But again, growing up, my mom'sfavorite expression was nip it
in the bud.
And we're never going to nip itin the bud until we get to the
root of the problem, which isthe fact that most of our
neighbors to the south have nocontrol over their countries.
It's run by drug cartels, it'srun by communists.
(23:55):
It's, you know, so much ofLatin America is being reverse
colonized by China.
You know, china buys one thirdof Brazil's exports.
China is the primary owner of alithium mine in Bolivia, you
know.
And again, as long as thesecountries continue to fail,
they're prime territory for thecartel to take over, prime
territory for China to come inand invest and provide illusory
(24:19):
opportunities for the peoplethere in exchange for, you know,
global domination in exchangefor global domination.
So we've got to take a tougherstance towards Mexico, but we've
got to focus on what'shappening to our South,
certainly.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
One of the things and this is that Scott's Irish
fighter in me that really hasfrustrated me in your race has
been your opponent and some ofthe things that he has come out
and said I'm just going to telleverybody, all of my listeners,
everybody I'm not a DickBrubaker fan.
(24:55):
I've never been.
He and I are the same age.
We grew up together inMontgomery.
I'm just not a fan, and so getthat out.
That's not her saying, it, it'sme.
What I don't understand abouthim is this guy.
I don't know if he's just aflat out elitist, I don't know
what it is, but but you know, hehad the audacity to have his
(25:18):
people reach out to me to see ifI would get Trump to endorse
him in the, in the primary, noteven in the runoff in the
primary.
And as I started digging aroundand looking at this and as I
said, I don't care for him, sodon't torch me, I don't care, I
just don't like him I learnedthat he said that he called
Trump an adulterer.
(25:38):
He has been absolutely a neverTrump in his approach, in his
words.
Not only would I not supportPresident Trump endorsing him,
but I mean I don't think theAlabama 2nd Congressional
(25:58):
District.
He just doesn't match up withthem.
He's not hardworking, he's not.
I mean, he missed.
I think I read somewhere hemissed 22 critical votes while
he was in the Alabama StateSenate.
And if you do that in theCongress, if we have a very thin
margin, like we had now, and hejust decides not to show up,
Right right.
(26:19):
This just doesn't work.
It doesn't work, no, no, I meanhe's just.
I'm not asking you to comment,I just he's not hardworking
enough.
He doesn't have the passions hedoesn't care.
I think he cares about him, Ithink he cares about his friends
.
I think he cares about a fewpeople in Montgomery, but about
(26:39):
his friends.
I think he cares about a fewpeople in Montgomery, but I
don't think he cares about, youknow, folks in Ramer or folks
from your hometown.
I just don't.
I just don't think he cares.
What is, in your view, what isthe difference between you and
Dick Brubaker?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Well, I think.
First, there's a difference invalues.
If you look at his votingrecord, it's one of a moderate.
You know he voted with everyDemocrat in the state Senate in
a bill that passed 14 to 13, toreduce penalties for falsifying
voter ID cards.
Now more than ever, we need tobe cracking down.
(27:18):
I mean, you know electioninterference is such a problem
and will continue to be so withthe influx of eight to 10
million illegal aliens that havecome here since Biden's taken
office.
We need someone who is crackingdown on this, not someone, and
but that's.
Voter ID issues and fraud hasbeen a problem in Alabama for a
(27:40):
long time and I'm grateful forthe state Senate in this
legislative session.
You know their first bill wasaddressing ballot harvesting,
but this has been a problem fora long time.
So you know, voted for thelargest tax hike in Alabama
history.
You know.
So there's a difference ofvalues and priorities and just
(28:02):
being in touch with what's goingon and standing for
conservative values.
But then there's also adifference in work ethic too.
You know, look, since November 1, I have been putting in 16-hour
days in this district not todrum up voters but to hear from
the people in this districtAgain.
I grew up in rural MonroeCounty.
I live in Montgomery districtnot to drum up voters but to
hear from the people in thisdistrict.
Again, I grew up in ruralMonroe County.
(28:22):
I live in Montgomery now, but Irealize that that's just, you
know experiences in just two ofthese counties and there's so
much that I, and still you knowevery day I realize what more I
don't know, that I need to know.
But we have, you know, such avaried you know this district
because of of the way that youknow it was not designed with
(28:44):
any sort of geographical commonsense.
It was designed, you know, asyou discussed, to have to have a
higher black voter voting agepopulation.
So so you know there's there'sa lot of varied interests, a lot
of varied needs in thisdistrict and in order to
represent all of this district,I felt it was my duty to get out
(29:04):
there and meet people.
I've committed to, even thoughI've got a husband and two young
daughters in Montgomery, Icommitted to spending two days a
week in Mobile because there'sso many industries there that
are very niche to the coastalarea.
You know, you have, of course,and then the Port of Mobile, but
(29:26):
you have shipbuilding, you havefishing.
You know so many industriesthat I didn't know anything
about that are.
Snapper, for instance, is veryheavily federally regulated, and
you know, I didn't knowanything about that growing up
on a cattle farm in MonroeCounty.
So so it's um.
You know, I felt that it wasn'tjust um, it didn't just behoove
me as a candidate, but if, if,I'm actually going to represent
these people, I've got to spendtime out in these communities.
(29:49):
I've, I've been to to Petrie,I've been to Goshen, you know I,
you know, got to that's.
And again, I feel like a lot offolks in small-town America
feel ignored right now and feelleft behind, and so that's also
been a goal of mine to spendtime with them, sit down at
their kids' ballgames, go totheir church, fish fries and
(30:10):
really hear from them, and Idon't see my opponent doing that
.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, that's because he's not.
He's home doing whatever hedoes.
You don't have a lot of timeleft for the primary.
What are you going to dobetween now and then?
And then, how do you feel thatthe I feel the momentum behind
you is growing?
I mean, I think everybody I'vetalked to down there.
I was down there last weekmeeting with some mutual friends
(30:37):
of ours and we got into areally interesting conversation
about it.
It was actually the day of yourdebate that we thought was
quite interesting.
Do you feel the momentum whileyou're out there?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I do, I do, I do and I it's you know.
But at the same time, you know,that's what kind of keeps
inspiring me is.
I feel like every day I meetsomeone who's working so hard to
make a difference in theircommunity and that inspires me
to, because I mean, I'm humanlike anyone.
I get tired or frustrated inthis process can definitely kind
(31:13):
of get you down at times.
But then you just have to stayfocused on the people that are
working so hard to make theircommunities better and I'm like
gosh, they really deserve tohave a leader who is or not even
a leader a representative whois fighting for them in
Washington, and so that kind ofkeeps me focused.
(31:34):
And so this next week again, I'mgoing to be back in every
single county in the districtbetween now and next Tuesday,
just trying to again meet withmore folks and let them know
what I stand for and also justencouraging them to get out to
vote.
This is the only race on theballot in many counties, so I
(31:55):
think turnout, unfortunately, isgoing to be low.
So just encouraging people to,you know, to go to the polls on
Tuesday.
It won't take long, it's just.
It's just one race.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's going to be big lines, right?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Right so.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
One of the one of the the curiosities is what I
brought up in the beginning.
The way this district wasconfigured by the courts was to
basically create a new blackdistrict.
That's what they wanted to do,and so they pitted, you know,
barry against Jerry Carl, andthey just assumed that this
would be a black district, andthe court was pretty unabashed
(32:30):
about their opinion on this.
John Wall, the chairman of theAlabama GOP, and I spoke the
other day and had some prettydetailed conversations about
this, and we're working on someplans to build what we're
calling community grants, andit's going to be grants of data
and grants of things that localcandidates can use.
In so doing, john and I havespent some bit of time talking
(32:54):
about this that this district isvery winnable, and not
necessarily by a Republican or aDemocrat, but by somebody like
you.
I think that holds those valuesthat those rural districts have
.
People that think that justbecause, say, all the blacks in
(33:16):
Montgomery are going to vote oneway, say, all the blacks in
Montgomery are going to vote oneway, or all the people out in
rural America, but in this caserural Alabama, are going to vote
the way that some court saidthat they were going to.
It's insulting, it is insulting, it's racist and it's insulting
.
But I mean, I have friends thatI grew up with in Montgomery.
(33:39):
I know people in the districtthat are African American.
This is not what everybodythinks it is.
I mean, I think there's achance that with Trump on the
ballot and his pull towardAfrican Americans that has been
fairly profound, a big change.
(34:00):
I think there's a real chanceto win this district.
This isn't just a giveawayanymore.
No, no, and that's why it'simportant, I think, that we
elect you, or that we nominateyou and then ultimately elect
you.
Are you seeing any of that out?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
there.
Oh, absolutely Last night I wasin Mobile and talking to
several black voters who weresaying you know, I don't, I'm
not necessarily a Republican.
You know, I don't know if theywere willing to characterize
themselves as a Republicannecessarily, but they're saying
I do feel left behind by theDemocrat Party.
You know I'm a God fearing,hardworking taxpayer trying to.
(34:37):
I was talking to one woman, forinstance, who she and her
husband had started a FedExbusiness in Mobile.
And so they were saying you know, the insurance that they're
paying is astronomical.
When they buy a new truck, theyhave to pay the 12% heavy duty
commercial vehicle excise tax.
And then you know, they're veryinvolved in their church and
(34:58):
they considered, of course, likeall of us all of us did Biden's
Transgender Visibility Day justa slap in the face and they
said you know, we that's.
You know, if we were Democrats,we're not anymore, and I think
more and more Democrats arewaking up to the fact that you
know what what a Democrat meansis now been, you know, hijacked
(35:21):
by the far left, and thatlimited government and
conservative policies are theones that are going to, you know
, ensure that their kids canfreely worship God, create
opportunities.
So many of the small businessowners in this district are
minority and the barrier toentry for a small business owner
to just get off the ground hasnever been higher due to
(35:45):
increased government spending,inflation, taxes, overregulation
, everything that Biden's beendoing to our economy, and then,
of course, the border crisis.
I mean that concerns everysingle American white voters,
black voters, hispanic votersthat you know.
I think that you saw that evenin 2020, with Trump carrying so
(36:06):
many of the border counties inTexas.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know those were red for the first time.
It's going to be profound thistime.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh, absolutely yeah, so so no, I absolutely believe
that this district is winnableif we have a true conservative
who is willing to put in thework.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So have you all been able to estimate how many votes
or what turnout is going to looklike?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Unfortunately, we think it's probably going to be
about 10 percent, if that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We estimated on the high side, maybe 14.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And that's just not a lot of folks.
I mean, there's going to be avery light turnout.
I'm optimistic for you thatthis is going to go your way.
I'm even more optimistic that,with you as the nominee, that
we'll have a chance to win thatdistrict in November.
Is there anything else you'dlike to tell everybody?
(36:58):
I mean, you're an amazingperson.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I tell people all the time that people ask you why
don't you run for something?
I mean run for the border maybe.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I mean I'm not running away from the border
right now.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, true, well, listen, this has been a great
visit.
Well, I just want to thankCaroline Dobson for taking the
time and driving all the way upto Birmingham to visit with us.
The Alabama secondcongressional district primary
is next Tuesday, a criticallyimportant time for both Alabama
and the United States of America.
(37:32):
We've got to have more peoplelike her engaging in the process
and really look forward tosupporting her in the general
election.
I believe we can win thisdistrict and I believe a lot of
folks here in Alabama believethat as well.
So thanks so much for joiningus on Patriot Games.
I'm Greg Phillips.
I'll see you next week.
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