When we lose a local legend, the impact ripples through a community in ways both profound and personal. In this milestone 300th episode of Pat's Peeps, I'm joined by film critic extraordinaire Ken Dogg Jackman to celebrate two very different icons – the timeless Superman on the big screen and the irreplaceable Mick Martin, Sacramento's beloved blues musician, film critic, and radio personality who passed away at 79 years old.
Ken kicks things off with an enthusiastic five-star review of the new Superman movie, praising its "refreshingly old-fashioned" approach with bright colors and the classic super suit. What stands out most is David Korniswet's performance as Superman, which Ken declares "the best since Christopher Reeve." The film balances emotional depth with humor while avoiding the excessive CGI that plagues many superhero films. Even Ken's superhero-averse wife loved it – perhaps the highest praise possible!
The heart of our conversation shifts to remembering Mick Martin, whom Ken aptly describes as "one of the great renaissance men of Sacramento." Through rare archival footage from 1976, we're transported back to a young Mick Martin appearing on Bob Wilkins' show, displaying his encyclopedic film knowledge while discussing King Kong. Ken recalls how Mick's movie reviews in the Sacramento Union spoke to "regular people" rather than film academics – making cinema accessible to everyone.
Mick's musical legacy with the Blues Rockers spanned nearly five decades, his harmonica skills legendary among blues aficionados. I share personal memories of Mick's recent performance at the Crest Theater and how he had been giving me harmonica playing tips not long ago. His passing leaves an unfillable void in Sacramento's cultural landscape.
Have you been touched by Mick Martin's music, film reviews, or radio shows over the years? Share your memories and join our community of listeners celebrating both this podcast milestone and the extraordinary legacy of a Sacramento icon who truly "breathed legitimate art, whatever he was doing."
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome my friends to the Pat's Peeps podcast.
I'm super excited today becausetoday is a milestone episode.
At least in my mind it is Amilestone.
I mean 300?
That's not bad right.
That's peeps number 300.
Thank you so much for beingpart of our ever-growing
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audience.
It is a Monday, 14th day ofJuly 2025.
And as I look out my studiowindow into the beautiful
foothills of Northern California, it is a hot one.
It's really hot, but I am goingto work out and get that going.
I'm going to stick to it.
I got some stuff I'm going todo outside, some work and things
planting and things like that.
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I don't care, I love the heat.
Still have a turn on the airconditioner.
But again, I'm very proud topresent 300 podcasts on top of
my radio show.
By the way, my name is PatWalsh and I host the Pat Walsh
Show on KFBK in Sacramento, 93.1FM, 1530 AM, and all over your
streaming platforms.
My show is Monday throughFriday, 7 to 10 pm and you know,
(01:24):
if you tune in on Friday night8 o'clock, you will hear Ken
Dogg Jackman.
And I thought you know what.
I'm going to bring Ken DoggJackman on today because, ken
Dogg, I kind of wanted tocelebrate this with Ken Dogg.
(01:45):
There it is 300 podcasts.
Ken Dogg has been on my podcastbefore Dogg's Movie House.
Ken Jackman, ken Dogg Jackman,dogg'smoviehousecom.
Check it out for yourself.
Ken Dogg, I bring you on fortwo reasons today.
First of all, how are you, myfriend?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm doing great.
Honored, as ever, to be on yourpodcast and especially honored
to be on your 300th show.
That's a milestone.
I'm proud to be a part ofbrother.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Thank you.
You know, as we're listening tothe Superman theme, there's a
new Superman movie out and it'syour boy, john Williams again.
You know we talk about StarWars all the time and the great
themes, but here you are withthe.
Superman theme.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What a great theme this is right, yeah, one of the
all-time greats, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It is so epic.
I don't know that anyone didSuperman better than Christopher
Reeves.
But there he is, man, yeah, wow, very good, very rousing.
So the new Superman is out.
So that's one of the reasonsthat I wanted to bring you on
today to kind of get your takeon the new Superman.
Again.
There's been criticism.
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I didn't want to pay attentionto that today because I beat the
dead horse with the Snow Whitething, so I'm going to stay away
from it because I have not seenthis movie.
But I know you're a big fan andyou know I want to talk about
two icons today, if we can.
One, of course, is Superman.
The other icon is an icon ofSacramento.
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So, ken Dogg, with that in mindI know because I missed Friday
night and I missed your moviereview with bc on my show.
Bc bruce campbell filled in forme friday night.
You were in there andunfortunately I tried to listen
to the um, to your review, but Ikind of missed it.
Uh, got sidetracked there.
But tell us what I know you saw, what did you?
What were your thoughts of thenew superman?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
okay, you know the.
The nutshell is it's probablyone of the best, if if not the
best, movies I've seen all year.
It's right up there withSinners as a five out of five
for me.
I think one of the things aboutit is how refreshingly old
fashioned it is.
They go with the bright colors.
The super suit isn't somestreamlined thing out of you
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know, out of the you know 90scomic books.
It's a.
It's more of a trunks on theoutside, big S on the Cape, big
S on the chest, and it playslike that.
It plays like that.
And so, basically, the plot is,you know, without getting into
details, it's Superman versusLex.
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Lex is jealous of Superman,wants to ostracize him from the
world and then kill him.
Okay, so so who is?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
because I don't mean to interrupt, because I'm not
familiar with this.
Who is this Lex Luthor?
Is he the villain?
He's the villain, right or not?
Yeah, lex Luthor is yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
no.
Lex Luthor is the arch villainfrom the comics.
He's been played by GeneHackman, oh yeah right Jesse.
Eisenberg.
Yeah, right, right.
He's the mad genius who wantspower or real estate, depending
on what movie you're in.
And here he is amulti-billionaire tech genius
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who is using tech and onlineconspiracy theories and all this
other stuff to try anddiscredit Superman and
eventually kill him.
So that's, those are themechanics of the plot.
That's the story.
It's fairly cut and dry.
It's the details that matter.
Okay, there's a lot going on,but director, writer James Gunn,
master conductor, you know,when I talk about your show and
I say you know, you're theconductor and I'm just you know,
somewhere in the woodwindsection you've got a lot of you
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have a, you have a lot ofdifferent elements and he has
tons of elements.
He has different superheroes, agreen lantern, a hot girl, a
guy named Mr Terrific who shouldbe silly but works really well.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Mr Terrific, I love that.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Mr Terrific.
Yes, yeah, all right, thismovie.
First of all, it's not a threeor four hour epic, it's a little
over two hours and it moves,but it has these beats of
emotion.
There's a scene with his fosterparents bring the, bring the,
you know, bring the hankies.
It's got rousing moments.
It's got humor.
It's got humor.
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It's got the actors are allfantastic it.
It makes you feel, it makes you.
You know what I mean.
That's the.
That's the best barometer ofany movie.
When you're not sitting theregoing.
Well, it's okay.
The special effects are fine.
No, the best way to do it is ifit catches you, grabs you by
the shirt.
Collars says this is going tobe a fun, entertaining,
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emotional movie.
David Korniswet, the guy whoplays Superman, is the best
Superman since Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Really.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
He is so good.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
How many, how many Supermans have been out since
Christopher Reeves playedSuperman?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Oh, good Lord, let's see, let's see.
You've got Henry Cavill, youhave Brandon Ralph, you have on
the small screen Tom Welling andDean Cain, amongst others.
Yeah, so there have been a few.
There have been a few, butChristopher Reeve has always
been the benchmark, right, youwill believe a man can fly.
Well, this guy I won't say he'sbetter, but he's close, as good
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as anything I've ever seen.
I mean, you will feel likeyou're watching an old school
movie.
Even you, superhero movies, notyour thing.
My wife hates superhero movies.
She loved this.
She wants to see it again.
That, to me, tells you all youwant to know.
To me, it's a five out of five.
I love these types of moviesand I love them when they're
done well, especially with anaudience who wants to see it.
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I can't recommend it enough.
I've read the criticisms andthey're full of crap.
Sorry, they are.
They are absolutely full ofcrap.
You know, I mean it's like Idon't know what you're thinking
of.
Oh, it's so chaotic.
No, it's not.
And refreshingly it is.
Yeah, as far as the well.
They say, oh, there's too muchCG, there's too much action
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scenes.
I know, I know, I know, when anaction scene has too much CG,
this ain't it.
Everything is there are beats.
Yes, you have to use some CGand some special effects.
It's Superman, okay, you knowyou don't want him on wires, you
know.
So That'd be kind of coolthough, yes, there's those.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, yeah, I guess so for the old school, but I
wish they would do a movie likethat again where you actually
see blunders like that, littlethings like that'd be so fun,
just, you know just to have yeahkind of a rocky, kind of a
rocky horror picture.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, rocky horror picture.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Show of superhero movies I've never seen that, so
I don't know what that means,what that can.
I don't even there's a movie.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I've never seen that so I don't know what that means.
There's a movie.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I've never seen.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No, I don't know, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Wow, that's surprising.
But yeah, so I said that'ssurprising that you've never
seen the Rocky Horror PictureShow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There's men walking around in dainty panties.
It's not that surprising, right.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Well, context, if you put it that way.
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's why I haven't gone, and I don't mean that in a
weird way, Like I don't wantanyone to go.
Oh pattern, oh see, now we'regetting way off track.
That's what I mean.
Never mind, I was 18 years old.
I walked into the Lion'sRestaurant.
The entire place shut downbecause there were men in garter
belts and panties.
I didn't know what's going onin makeup.
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That's all I'm leaving it at.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just have never seen it.
So, whatever, leave me alone.
Gotcha, I understand Alright,yeah, so anyway, this it's not
chaotic.
James Gunn knows what he'sdoing.
You know it's everything builds.
The finale, of course, is goingto be action heavy.
It's a Superman movie, but younever lose track of what's going
on and you never lose track ofthe characters.
You never lose track of thestory.
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You're always feeling something.
It's not just splashed up therefor you to model and look at.
It is a movie that reallycatches you and makes you.
That's the reason why I love itso much.
Like I said, five out of fivePeople need this.
It's good for all ages.
Go see this film If you likegood, old-fashioned, yet very
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well done entertainment.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
There you go, dogsmoviehousecom.
So that is, you know a worldiconic.
Everyone knows SupermanWherever you go around the world
.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They know Superman In our area and amongst the blues
world people know Mick Martin.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That is Mick Martin.
Mick Martin and I becamefriends over the years.
Mick Martin was a radio guy.
I said was, yes, he passed awayover the weekend.
I got so many messages.
Mick and I became friends.
He was a guest on my shownumerous times.
It wasn't that long ago Mickwas telling me I was asking him
advice how to play my newharmonic is it Darling with a Y?
(10:37):
I bought for my birthday acouple of years ago?
I was asking his advice becausehe's one of the best.
There is Ken Doug, and I don'tknow if you'd heard that Mick
had passed away.
I know you had a chance to meetMick Martin on my show before
He'd come in.
We'd talk music.
He'd have maybe a big party ora bash coming up and I would
(11:00):
always want to promote that.
But here's a little bit of Mickand the Blues Rockers.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You met him a couple times on the show, if I'm not
mistaken, right, ken Doe, yeah,he was kind of a hero of mine
from a different reason at first, because when I was a kid,
forming my opinion on the moviesand remember we had two papers.
We had the Sacramento Union andthe Sacramento Bee.
That's right.
And the Union is the one myfolks got for a long time and
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Mick Martin was the movie criticand his movie reviews always
seemed the union is the one myfolks got for a long time and
Mick Martin was the movie criticand his movie reviews always
seem to be like for the peoplethey, they, they were, they were
kind of like when I rememberlater on with Roger Ebert who I
vibed with, but but Mick Martinwould review movies for regular
people and for the life of me Ican't remember the one with the,
(12:05):
the, the critic at the time forthe B to Joe, somebody, uh, he
used to drive me nuts because wealways do the, he'd always,
he'd always do, he'd always dothe.
Well, you know, in 1914, theydid this and it's just repeating
itself after 70 years.
It's like, oh for the love ofGod, man, you know, and you, you
(12:26):
do, uh, you do, uh.
Nick Martin, you read his stuffand he's like, yeah, man, it's
cool, it's a good movie, itworks, and if you have a family,
you want to go see this, orit's a very scary movie.
Uh, you know, little ones donot?
You know that kind of thing.
He was always very, he was agood, he was a good critic, he
knew his stuff, but he alwayskept it in a way that was
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relatable to his readingaudience, and that's where I got
a lot.
That's why I was inspired to dothis.
The way I do it is you neverhear me.
Yeah, I can rattle off movies,but I always tell you until the
audience hey, you know, if youhaven't seen this stuff before,
go see it, you know.
Hey, you know, if you haven'tseen this stuff before, go see
it, you know.
And then I'll recommendsomething that's better.
You know that it might havebeen inspired by, but I won't
(13:09):
slam it because it did somethingsomebody else did 30 years ago,
cause moviegoers, moviegoersdon't care about that Right.
So, yeah, I had a chance and Igot a chance to meet him.
It wasn't long conversations,cause I was working at a grocery
store on Fulton and Marconi andbut he would shop there and
after a while he would comethrough my line quite a bit and
you know, uh, we'd gab as longas we could about what's going
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on with movies and how he's made.
He told me about his music andstuff like that.
It was long after the union hadshuttered, but it was just.
It was a thrill to meet himbecause he was a larger than
life personality but so veryaccessible and so very nice.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And you met him on my show, of course, like I said,
maybe one or two occasions, Ithink.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, really twice for sure.
Yeah, my biggest memory of him,of course, is when he brought
out the Kung Fu grip.
Of all harmonicas there waslike seven of them in this case
and they were all lovinglypreserved, of different sizes.
It's like, well, we've got thelittle one here and then we've
got the big one at the end.
They weren't obviouslycategorized that way, but my
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mind was going wow, that set ofharmonicas right there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Somebody knows his business.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, he definitely.
He really was a good harpplayer, that is for sure.
Like I say, he was giving metips on how to play the
harmonica.
Just not that long ago we weretalking, I was trying to get him
on my show.
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Here he is Mick Martin.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You better hold on baby, think about the things you
do.
You better hold on baby.
Hold on baby, think about thethings you do.
You better hold on baby, thinkabout the things you do.
You might end up gettingsomeone mad at you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know, it's interesting because here he is a
great musician and revered inthe blues community, Great blues
musician, but he was also, likeyou say, a movie reviewer, a
movie critic, and he was a radioDJ too.
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So he was, you know, he wasalso a good radio guy.
He was on KZAP, Capital PublicRadio, Not to mention his big
blues band, and for over 40,almost 50 years did this.
You might end up getting someonemad at you.
(15:49):
I thought, ken Dogg, it mightbe kind of fun.
Here he is.
Mick would want me to play thismusic.
(16:11):
By the way, I saw his big bluesparty it wasn't that long ago
(16:33):
there at the Crest Theater.
It was outstanding, Ken, kenDogg.
I found a long-lost video, kenDogg, that I thought we'd listen
to a little bit of this, solet's mix it all together.
Mick Martin, this is going backto 1976.
If anyone remembers Bob Wilkins,bob Wilkins was a guy who was
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on Channel 40, ktxl used to sitback in a recliner and he would
smoke a big cigar and he hadthose horn-rimmed black glasses
and he'd wear a suit and hisshow was sponsored by I can't
remember what cigar business intown.
He might tell us in here and hewould play these horror movies
or these you like plan nine fromouter space, or kong in this
(17:17):
instance, or santa claus, ummeets the martians, or whatever
that movie is.
Cat dog he didn't play these tobe fascinated the the, the
creature from the black lagoon,and he would, you know, come
back during the break and hewould talk.
So we have mick martin, him tobreak and he would talk.
(17:39):
So we have mick martin, uh,joining bob wilkins's 1976.
And this is when.
Um, this is from the center forsacramento history, their film
and video archives mick martinseen with his first man, smith
martin and shaw it's about 1975,really at the Bill Ray Studios.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And this is here they are right here Come out of
Sacramento area in the past fewyears Now, a group called Smith,
Martin and Shaw is trying forthe charts.
After playing to sell outcrowds in Northern California
for months now, they're aboutready to release their own
single called On the Road.
The group was rehearsing at theBill Race Studios recently and
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here's an example of their styleOn my way to San Anselmo, a
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midnight volunteer Tomorrownight at San Francisco, 30 miles
from here.
I hope to meet a fallen.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So again, ken Dogg.
This is 1976, and at the BillRay Studios.
And here's Mick, and we'll heara little bit from Mick in this
as well.
A little harmonic, and then hetalks.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
The band, as it is in concept now, has been together
for about two years.
We've known Jim for that longand the only new member that
we've had is Donna Proctor, andshe's been with us about six or
seven months and it's just, it'sbeen so good.
I mean, things have beenhappening to us as if we're part
of a mainstream type ofprogress that's really just kind
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of carrying us along.
The music's good, we're happywith each other, we're enjoying
the whole experience and thingsjust seem to happen in a very
positive fashion for us.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It's amazing to see how young he is right there.
I know we can all say thatabout ourselves.
Ken Dogg Look how young I wasthere.
Of course you look the same aswhen I first knew you, when I
first met you.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Oh, thank you.
Yes, the formaldehyde isworking.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
We're talking with Ken Dogg.
It is Pat's Peeps number 300.
Talking about Mick Martin here,who just passed away, here's a
little bit more from Mick.
I want to let him talk for asecond about his career.
Like I say, here you go.
Oh, now here is.
This is the opening, ken Dogg,if anyone remembers, to the Bob
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Wilkins show 1976.
So this is where Mick joins himand they start talking movies,
ken Dogg, and I'll let youcomment on this.
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Let's take a little movie test here for just a
second.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What movie have you seen?
If you ask me who that wasblindfolded, I could tell you
within two seconds who thatvoice was.
Ken Doug, that's Bob Wilkins.
Yeah, that was part of mychildhood on the weekends, more
than any other film what pops toyour mind.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
And if that movie were playing, let's say, on
television tomorrow night orplaying in a local theater,
you'd go see it again and itwouldn't bother you at all, even
though you've seen it maybe adozen times.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What movie would that be for you?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Oh man, so many.
You know obviously the StarWars, probably me first, Simply
because of the kid in me.
Yeah, I know, but there areothers.
Just two, but I think that youranswer was this one Probably me
first.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Simply because of the kid in me.
Yeah, I know, but there areothers, I know.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Two but I think that your answer was this one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I love the sound of the old film.
You know the video like that.
I just love the intros likethis.
Ken Dogg, we're millionairesboys, oh yeah, I can hear I can
hear all of you.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In a few months we'll be up in lights on Broadway.
Come be a wonder of the worldthat legendary Max Steiner score
.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Can you imagine when that movie first came out?
I don't know what year that waswhen that came out, but now
we're so used to In 33, okay,same year my dad was born.
So these days we're used to theCGI and all that you were
talking about, and specialeffects are incredible.
But back in 1933, that musthave freaked people out, seeing
Kong like this.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Right, right, wild weird wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That was like a stop action type of a thing, right?
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, classic stop motion, stop motion.
Yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So here is Mick Martin joining Bob Wilkins to
discuss the movie Ken Dogg, andwe'll take a listen and we'll
comment along with him.
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I get excited every time I see that trailer.
Mick Martin is with us.
A film fan, was I right?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Mick, we're in a dark brick red leisure suit.
You're looking good, Mick.
I love that guy.
He is so iconic here.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
How many times have you seen the original King Kong?
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Oh, at least in the 20, 25 times at least.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, but you're really into films.
Probably the average guy in thestreet has seen it A dozen,
yeah, I'd say a dozen.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's quite common.
It's an event when it's on TV.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
What about?
Let's talk about the old Kongand the new Kong, and just
there's so many books out nowand, of course, the movie opens
up next week.
What made the old Kong a greatmovie?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, for one thing, it was the first time that that
kind of thing had been done.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's what I was talking about.
That was my point.
That must have been amazing.
It's the first time that peoplehad seen anything like that,
you know, and it's interestingto me, because anyone that
listens to my show knows thatKen Dogg is like they'll say,
and including me.
They'll say you know, ken Dogg,he's like a movie savant, like
encyclopedia.
And people will say about me,man, he's like a music savant,
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like an enopedia, whereas MickMartin is both music and movies.
I don't know anything aboutmovies.
It's like we have a child inreverse Right.
Let's see what he says aboutKong.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Go ahead.
No, no, I was going to say it'sinteresting that this is coming
up when the 1976 version of theDino De Laurentiis King Kong is
getting ready to release.
So that's an interesting littletime capsule right there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a.
That was the one with JessicaLange.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Jessica Lange, jeff Bridges, charles Gruden yeah,
Okay, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
A giant monster on the screen, looking as if it was
80 feet tall.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's exactly what I was talking about.
I can't believe.
You just said that.
Thank you, Mick.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
And I just think it's a fast-paced action film that
really holds your attention.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
It came out in the 30s.
It must have really beenunbelievable for somebody to go
into a theater and see somethinglike that Right.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
It was one of those instances where people were
passing out in the aisles, oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
God, I can't believe that's what they're talking
about.
That was my first thought aboutthat.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
The uh, lewis O'Brien , of course, did the animation
Mm-hmm, and it was directed byErnest Shodsack and Melville
Cooper, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Jesus, that's just like you.
You name everyone who directedit, anyone who did anything in
the movie.
It's very impressive.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I'll tell you this book here.
Oh yeah, we'll show some ofthese because you might want to
catch some of these, becausevery unusual stuff.
I think the two guys youmentioned who created kong were
in the pilot seats in the finalscenes that they actually killed
kong.
Remember the planes, theairplanes in the sky?
That was one little piece oftrivia that was pointed out.
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Here's a paperback book that isout on the new Kong and here's
one that has an interestingtitle, the Girl in the Hairy Paw
, and I can't hold it anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
The Girl in the Hairy Paw, Ken Doug.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yes, yes, yes.
I think that was a movie of adifferent vintage that I wasn't
allowed to see until I was 18.
But hey, it never did Eitherthat or it was a medical film
from the Vietnam War that Ididn't hear Books.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
You should say that the making of Pink Pong is the
best.
If someone was going to go outand buy the book on the film,
that would be the best.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Can you get me Girl with the Hairy Paw Dad Mom.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
An American film that's just come out.
Talking to the director.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So, anyhow, these are all the books at Kong.
Let's see what Mick has to sayhere and a chest Came to the
chest, but that was it.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Chest came to the chest, but that was it.
That was all.
And this one's an 85 footmechanical monster that has, I
think, 16 motions.
It can make with its hands andsomething like 20 different
expressions, and they had a hugecrowd in new york, as this
monster was actually walkingthrough the streets of new york
and people were watching it okay?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I I think we let's take some scenes here, some
stills.
We'll have a film clip for younext week and you'll see a
close-up of the monster wholooks very realistic.
He's how tall, 85 feet tall, 85.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So, anyhow, they're talking about King Kong.
Let's see.
Oh no, I don't know who theoriginal who was the?
Original actress Fay.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Wray.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Fay Wray, that's right.
They even picked her on theEmpire.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
State Building to bring back Kong to where he
rightfully belongs.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I knew I could ask you that, ken dog.
I knew that.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Jessica Lange.
Jessica Lange Interesting thingthey auditioned people from all
over the world for this partand they picked her.
She's a New York model.
It'll be her first film role.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I had such a crush on her.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
What an ungoverable American dream.
I wonder who they named herafter.
They called her Dwan in themovie and gave her no first name
.
So that's something for filmbuffs to ponder why they did
that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Are you pondering that, Ken Dogg?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, when we first meet her, she's showing you an
absolutely wonderful backside.
So no, I didn't care about hername when I saw it.
I'll call you all of Charlie'sAngels.
Let's just say she was notmiscast as a model.
She definitely filled thoserequirements nicely, oh boy she
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was.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
She is a beautiful lady.
Good question Biggest crush onher?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Another thing, when Kong has received so much
publicity in New York.
When they asked for the 5,000people, of course 30,000 showed
up, but they also ran a like aposter in the New York Times and
just put a little line at thebottom.
You could hardly read it.
If you would like a duplicateof this poster, please write to
(28:41):
so-and-so.
25,000 people wrote it.
They were inundated.
Yes, let's look at a poster.
This is from your collection.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So we're talking Ken Dogg is with me here on Pat's
Peeps, number 300.
You know, what we're doing hereis we're just talking about
Mick Martin.
Mick Martin passed away, 79years old.
I mean 79 years old, this is1976 is what I meant to say.
But he was an icon ofSacramento and just such a good
guy, ken Dogg, and I'm very sadabout this.
(29:10):
I'm really going to miss MickMartin.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
For his music music his radio show.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know the fact that you could count on.
He would have like a you knowbig blues bash or something like
that, and I'm just very sadabout this you know who he was.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He was one of the great renaissance men of
Sacramento.
He was one of the renaissancemen.
He breathed legitimate art,whatever he was doing.
You know, it's probably mostprofoundly expressed in his
music, which is just balls tothe wall.
Good, I can listen to that forhours and I'm not the greatest
(29:47):
music man, but I was listeningto the snatches of the show
you're playing with theharmonica and everything else
that he's doing and is singingand it's like, man, I could just
groove to this for hours.
You know, it's just this energythat he had in everything he
did.
You know, it's just this energythat he had in everything he
did.
You know, from the radio, fromthe print, from the television,
from the music he was.
He was a what do they call thatin a baseball?
(30:09):
A five tool player.
The guy could do it all and didit all with style and passion.
And I don't think you'll seehis like, especially locally,
anytime soon.
And that's that's a a shame,but we have so many memories and
it's just wonderful yeah, yeah,like I said, I was inundated
with messages, uh, over theweekend.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I want to tell everyone thank you for letting
me know.
It's because people knew that.
Um, you know that I knew himand he was a great guest on the
show and um, so a little bitmore with mick and then I'll
play some of his music here aswell kind of giving away all
this stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I know you're going to be out there and that's next
friday right at the madisonsquare for theater.
That's on madison they stillhave that place.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The mad I knew you would react to that.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's been gone for a long time.
Yeah, the Madison Ford Theater,madison Ford Theaters.
When I came around, it was asecond run theater, so what
would happen was that the bigmovies would come there after
their initial theatrical runsand they were cheap so you could
get in for like three or fourbucks and still see the same
great movie.
(31:19):
You just had to wait a littlewhile, and I remember that I saw
the 1988 version of the blobthere.
I remember that.
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Yeah, that brings back a lot ofmemories.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Isn't that great.
I love some of the references,like that Manzanita.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Right, and at seven o'clock and 8 o'clock.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That was at Madison and Manzanita.
He said Is that what he said?
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
It'll be two different time starts because
Kong is so big.
It'll be in two theaters.
We will be giving away KingKong candy bars.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'll be drawing for him because we can't.
King Kong candy bars.
Ha yeah, wow, madison andManzanita.
The Madison Fort Theater.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
We expect a huge crowd and we'll draw for this
stuff, we'll be doing it.
We'll have pictures, candy bars, that huge King Kong cutout
statue that you'll see in thelobby In fact, it's there right
now, isn't it?
Yes, it is Okay.
We will also have pictures togive away and I will also do the
drawing for our King Kongstatuette that we've been
showing the last few weeks.
We will draw one of the winningpostcards at the Madison Square
(32:26):
Four Theater next Friday.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's opening night all over the world Madison
Square Four Theater.
We don't.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
That's another thing.
Movies normally open up in aregional area, or I think Jaws
had one of the biggest openings.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There you go.
Ken Dogg Jaws had one of thebiggest openings.
Oh my gosh, that's believable.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
This Kong thing will open up, they tell me, in 2,500
theaters all over the world.
The same night.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
How does that compare to today?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
world the same night.
How does that compare to today?
Uh well, um, you know, it'skind of like adjusted for
inflation.
That's huge back in 75, oh yeah, okay, or 76, but now, like,
for example, you know, thelatest jurassic world opened in
4300 theaters.
Now there are more theaters,right, there are more theaters
now, but yeah, so, yeah, butthat so.
So it's not quite as impressive, but for the day that's huge
yeah, that really is.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yep, oh yeah it should.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
If the movie has anything going for it at all, it
should, should be one of thebiggest grocers.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Well, I think the amount of interest on this film
is is so immense that there's nodoubt there's going to be I
believe it's going to be asuccess and that it's going to
make back its money the onlyother current film Christmas
film that I can think of.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Uh-oh.
What's he going to be Christmasfilm that he can think of?
1976.
1976.
Doesn't mean it's a Christmasfilm, it just came out at
Christmas.
He's so smooth in front of thecamera too.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
The Sherlock Holmes movie the 7%.
Solution.
Sherlock compete with it.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He's so smooth in front of the camera too.
New sherlock holmes movie theseven percent solution yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Sherlock holmes movie the seven percent solution,
yeah, the seven percent solution, so you can tell the stuff that
was coming out back then.
You know nowadays, blockbusterthis, blockbuster, that summer
movie season, but the type ofmovies, especially in the 70s
big spectacles like king kongand of course jaws before that
were rare, and so they'retalking about Kong going up
against a Sherlock Holmes filmwhich you would never think of
(34:27):
as an even battle, but back thenit was pretty well-weighted.
The same Interesting bit oftime history there in terms of
how movies have changed over theyears.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
We'll be showing film clips of that in the near
future and I had a chance totalk to Nicole Williamson, who
plays Holmes, and he has somevery interesting comments for
you Sherlock Holmes fans.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
So are you saying that the uh, that, that it would
have been no contest that, um,king Kong would have, that it
would have been far superior,far more popular than Sherlock
Holmes?
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
In today's day and age?
Yes, then not so much.
Uh, you know it was, it's.
It's a toss up back then.
Nicole Simpson is awell-regarded actor.
Um, sherlock Holmes was apopular property.
Uh, still, you know ChristopherLee, peter Cushing those guys
played versions of him.
You know it's, it's one ofthose ones that had staying
(35:24):
power and even though it seemslike a nifty little drama, you
know the big tentpole stuffwhere you know monsters galore
and all that other stuff, ithadn't been ushered in yet.
Not quite.
Okay, jaws was an exceptionrather than the rule.
Okay, okay.
So it would have beeninteresting to see what the
actual box office stats were,because I don't remember off the
(35:44):
top of my head.
I'll probably look that up andsee how much they did against
each other.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here's more, with Bob and Mick and some music coming
up Channel 40.
God, I remember this.
I would have been watching itat this age.
With me is Mick Martin.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
I probably watched this.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Again, like they just said, a movie reviewer for the
Sacramento Union Sitting on setsmoking a cigarette.
That's awesome, smoking acigarette.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
The idea for that kind of a combination.
Rolling Stone said it wasinteresting.
I've got to see it for myselfbefore.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't even know if that's a cigarette.
We're going to talk aboutSherlock Holmes tonight.
Is it a cigarette or a pipe orsomething?
Speaker 7 (36:30):
Maybe it's a cigar we want to get your feelings on
the new movie 7% Solution, but Iwant to show you an interview I
did with Nicole Williamson, whoplays Horne, all right, so
let's get to some music here,ken Dogg.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Let's get to some music from Mick here, let's see,
because he's got a bunch moreto talk about there, let's see.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Well, there are people who write letters to
Sherlock Holmes to 221 BakerStreet and they finally I think
it was about four years ago setup an actual 221 Baker Street
where people could go, and Ithink there's even a little
museum there now.
Well, baker.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Street where people could go, and I think there's
even a little museum there.
Now.
Well, who was the Holmescharacter?
Was he taken from someone?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Well, originally what he was was one of Conan Doyle's
teachers.
He was an instructor thatfascinated Doyle as a youth,
because he never Going to missyou, mcmartin.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Going to miss him, ken Doug?
Yeah, definitely.
Now, this is a telethon from1976.
Tv telethon.
They're on TV.
Rest in peace.
Mick Martin, Thanks for being agood friend.
Man, my friend, I'm gonna missyou so much.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Ken Doug, thank you for joining me today on my 300th
Pat's Peaks podcast yeah, likeI said, I'm honored, I
appreciate it and I'm going tomiss Mick too yeah, alright,
we'll talk about him on the showtonight, ken Dog.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Thank you, buddy, we'll see you on the radio.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Thank you, brother yep, we'll see you on the radio.
Thank you, brother.
Yep, I'm out.
Welcome my friends to the Pat's Peeps podcast.
I'm super excited today becausetoday is a milestone episode.
At least in my mind it is Amilestone.
I mean 300?
That's not bad right.
That's peeps number 300.
Thank you so much for beingpart of our ever-growing
(00:37):
audience.
It is a Monday, 14th day ofJuly 2025.
And as I look out my studiowindow into the beautiful
foothills of Northern California, it is a hot one.
It's really hot, but I am goingto work out and get that going.
I'm going to stick to it.
I got some stuff I'm going todo outside, some work and things
planting and things like that.
(00:59):
I don't care, I love the heat.
Still have a turn on the airconditioner.
But again, I'm very proud topresent 300 podcasts on top of
my radio show.
By the way, my name is PatWalsh and I host the Pat Walsh
Show on KFBK in Sacramento, 93.1FM, 1530 AM, and all over your
streaming platforms.
My show is Monday throughFriday, 7 to 10 pm and you know,
(01:24):
if you tune in on Friday night8 o'clock, you will hear Ken
Dogg Jackman.
And I thought you know what.
I'm going to bring Ken DoggJackman on today because, ken
Dogg, I kind of wanted tocelebrate this with Ken Dogg.
(01:45):
There it is 300 podcasts.
Ken Dogg has been on my podcastbefore Dogg's Movie House.
Ken Jackman, ken Dogg Jackman,dogg'smoviehousecom.
Check it out for yourself.
Ken Dogg, I bring you on fortwo reasons today.
First of all, how are you, myfriend?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm doing great.
Honored, as ever, to be on yourpodcast and especially honored
to be on your 300th show.
That's a milestone.
I'm proud to be a part ofbrother.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Thank you.
You know, as we're listening tothe Superman theme, there's a
new Superman movie out and it'syour boy, john Williams again.
You know we talk about StarWars all the time and the great
themes, but here you are withthe.
Superman theme.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What a great theme this is right, yeah, one of the
all-time greats, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It is so epic.
I don't know that anyone didSuperman better than Christopher
Reeves.
But there he is, man, yeah, wow, very good, very rousing.
So the new Superman is out.
So that's one of the reasonsthat I wanted to bring you on
today to kind of get your takeon the new Superman.
Again.
There's been criticism.
(02:57):
I didn't want to pay attentionto that today because I beat the
dead horse with the Snow Whitething, so I'm going to stay away
from it because I have not seenthis movie.
But I know you're a big fan andyou know I want to talk about
two icons today, if we can.
One, of course, is Superman.
The other icon is an icon ofSacramento.
(03:18):
So, ken Dogg, with that in mindI know because I missed Friday
night and I missed your moviereview with bc on my show.
Bc bruce campbell filled in forme friday night.
You were in there andunfortunately I tried to listen
to the um, to your review, but Ikind of missed it.
Uh, got sidetracked there.
But tell us what I know you saw, what did you?
What were your thoughts of thenew superman?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
okay, you know the.
The nutshell is it's probablyone of the best, if if not the
best, movies I've seen all year.
It's right up there withSinners as a five out of five
for me.
I think one of the things aboutit is how refreshingly old
fashioned it is.
They go with the bright colors.
The super suit isn't somestreamlined thing out of you
(04:02):
know, out of the you know 90scomic books.
It's a.
It's more of a trunks on theoutside, big S on the Cape, big
S on the chest, and it playslike that.
It plays like that.
And so, basically, the plot is,you know, without getting into
details, it's Superman versusLex.
(04:22):
Lex is jealous of Superman,wants to ostracize him from the
world and then kill him.
Okay, so so who is?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
because I don't mean to interrupt, because I'm not
familiar with this.
Who is this Lex Luthor?
Is he the villain?
He's the villain, right or not?
Yeah, lex Luthor is yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
no.
Lex Luthor is the arch villainfrom the comics.
He's been played by GeneHackman, oh yeah right Jesse.
Eisenberg.
Yeah, right, right.
He's the mad genius who wantspower or real estate, depending
on what movie you're in.
And here he is amulti-billionaire tech genius
(05:08):
who is using tech and onlineconspiracy theories and all this
other stuff to try anddiscredit Superman and
eventually kill him.
So that's, those are themechanics of the plot.
That's the story.
It's fairly cut and dry.
It's the details that matter.
Okay, there's a lot going on,but director, writer James Gunn,
master conductor, you know,when I talk about your show and
I say you know, you're theconductor and I'm just you know,
somewhere in the woodwindsection you've got a lot of you
(05:29):
have a, you have a lot ofdifferent elements and he has
tons of elements.
He has different superheroes, agreen lantern, a hot girl, a
guy named Mr Terrific who shouldbe silly but works really well.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Mr Terrific, I love that.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Mr Terrific.
Yes, yeah, all right, thismovie.
First of all, it's not a threeor four hour epic, it's a little
over two hours and it moves,but it has these beats of
emotion.
There's a scene with his fosterparents bring the, bring the,
you know, bring the hankies.
It's got rousing moments.
It's got humor.
It's got humor.
(06:02):
It's got the actors are allfantastic it.
It makes you feel, it makes you.
You know what I mean.
That's the.
That's the best barometer ofany movie.
When you're not sitting theregoing.
Well, it's okay.
The special effects are fine.
No, the best way to do it is ifit catches you, grabs you by
the shirt.
Collars says this is going tobe a fun, entertaining,
(06:25):
emotional movie.
David Korniswet, the guy whoplays Superman, is the best
Superman since Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Really.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
He is so good.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
How many, how many Supermans have been out since
Christopher Reeves playedSuperman?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Oh, good Lord, let's see, let's see.
You've got Henry Cavill, youhave Brandon Ralph, you have on
the small screen Tom Welling andDean Cain, amongst others.
Yeah, so there have been a few.
There have been a few, butChristopher Reeve has always
been the benchmark, right, youwill believe a man can fly.
Well, this guy I won't say he'sbetter, but he's close, as good
(07:01):
as anything I've ever seen.
I mean, you will feel likeyou're watching an old school
movie.
Even you, superhero movies, notyour thing.
My wife hates superhero movies.
She loved this.
She wants to see it again.
That, to me, tells you all youwant to know.
To me, it's a five out of five.
I love these types of moviesand I love them when they're
done well, especially with anaudience who wants to see it.
(07:22):
I can't recommend it enough.
I've read the criticisms andthey're full of crap.
Sorry, they are.
They are absolutely full ofcrap.
You know, I mean it's like Idon't know what you're thinking
of.
Oh, it's so chaotic.
No, it's not.
And refreshingly it is.
Yeah, as far as the well.
They say, oh, there's too muchCG, there's too much action
(07:44):
scenes.
I know, I know, I know, when anaction scene has too much CG,
this ain't it.
Everything is there are beats.
Yes, you have to use some CGand some special effects.
It's Superman, okay, you knowyou don't want him on wires, you
know.
So That'd be kind of coolthough, yes, there's those.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, yeah, I guess so for the old school, but I
wish they would do a movie likethat again where you actually
see blunders like that, littlethings like that'd be so fun,
just, you know just to have yeahkind of a rocky, kind of a
rocky horror picture.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, rocky horror picture.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Show of superhero movies I've never seen that, so
I don't know what that means,what that can.
I don't even there's a movie.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I've never seen that so I don't know what that means.
There's a movie.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I've never seen.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No, I don't know, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Wow, that's surprising.
But yeah, so I said that'ssurprising that you've never
seen the Rocky Horror PictureShow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There's men walking around in dainty panties.
It's not that surprising, right.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Well, context, if you put it that way.
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's why I haven't gone, and I don't mean that in a
weird way, Like I don't wantanyone to go.
Oh pattern, oh see, now we'regetting way off track.
That's what I mean.
Never mind, I was 18 years old.
I walked into the Lion'sRestaurant.
The entire place shut downbecause there were men in garter
belts and panties.
I didn't know what's going onin makeup.
(09:04):
That's all I'm leaving it at.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just have never seen it.
So, whatever, leave me alone.
Gotcha, I understand Alright,yeah, so anyway, this it's not
chaotic.
James Gunn knows what he'sdoing.
You know it's everything builds.
The finale, of course, is goingto be action heavy.
It's a Superman movie, but younever lose track of what's going
on and you never lose track ofthe characters.
You never lose track of thestory.
(09:25):
You're always feeling something.
It's not just splashed up therefor you to model and look at.
It is a movie that reallycatches you and makes you.
That's the reason why I love itso much.
Like I said, five out of fivePeople need this.
It's good for all ages.
Go see this film If you likegood, old-fashioned, yet very
(09:45):
well done entertainment.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
There you go, dogsmoviehousecom.
So that is, you know a worldiconic.
Everyone knows SupermanWherever you go around the world
.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They know Superman In our area and amongst the blues
world people know Mick Martin.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That is Mick Martin.
Mick Martin and I becamefriends over the years.
Mick Martin was a radio guy.
I said was, yes, he passed awayover the weekend.
I got so many messages.
Mick and I became friends.
He was a guest on my shownumerous times.
It wasn't that long ago Mickwas telling me I was asking him
advice how to play my newharmonic is it Darling with a Y?
(10:37):
I bought for my birthday acouple of years ago?
I was asking his advice becausehe's one of the best.
There is Ken Doug, and I don'tknow if you'd heard that Mick
had passed away.
I know you had a chance to meetMick Martin on my show before
He'd come in.
We'd talk music.
He'd have maybe a big party ora bash coming up and I would
(11:00):
always want to promote that.
But here's a little bit of Mickand the Blues Rockers.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You met him a couple times on the show, if I'm not
mistaken, right, ken Doe, yeah,he was kind of a hero of mine
from a different reason at first, because when I was a kid,
forming my opinion on the moviesand remember we had two papers.
We had the Sacramento Union andthe Sacramento Bee.
That's right.
And the Union is the one myfolks got for a long time and
(11:44):
Mick Martin was the movie criticand his movie reviews always
seemed the union is the one myfolks got for a long time and
Mick Martin was the movie criticand his movie reviews always
seem to be like for the peoplethey, they, they were, they were
kind of like when I rememberlater on with Roger Ebert who I
vibed with, but but Mick Martinwould review movies for regular
people and for the life of me Ican't remember the one with the,
(12:05):
the, the critic at the time forthe B to Joe, somebody, uh, he
used to drive me nuts because wealways do the, he'd always,
he'd always do, he'd always dothe.
Well, you know, in 1914, theydid this and it's just repeating
itself after 70 years.
It's like, oh for the love ofGod, man, you know, and you, you
(12:26):
do, uh, you do, uh.
Nick Martin, you read his stuffand he's like, yeah, man, it's
cool, it's a good movie, itworks, and if you have a family,
you want to go see this, orit's a very scary movie.
Uh, you know, little ones donot?
You know that kind of thing.
He was always very, he was agood, he was a good critic, he
knew his stuff, but he alwayskept it in a way that was
(12:48):
relatable to his readingaudience, and that's where I got
a lot.
That's why I was inspired to dothis.
The way I do it is you neverhear me.
Yeah, I can rattle off movies,but I always tell you until the
audience hey, you know, if youhaven't seen this stuff before,
go see it, you know.
Hey, you know, if you haven'tseen this stuff before, go see
it, you know.
And then I'll recommendsomething that's better.
You know that it might havebeen inspired by, but I won't
(13:09):
slam it because it did somethingsomebody else did 30 years ago,
cause moviegoers, moviegoersdon't care about that Right.
So, yeah, I had a chance and Igot a chance to meet him.
It wasn't long conversations,cause I was working at a grocery
store on Fulton and Marconi andbut he would shop there and
after a while he would comethrough my line quite a bit and
you know, uh, we'd gab as longas we could about what's going
(13:32):
on with movies and how he's made.
He told me about his music andstuff like that.
It was long after the union hadshuttered, but it was just.
It was a thrill to meet himbecause he was a larger than
life personality but so veryaccessible and so very nice.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And you met him on my show, of course, like I said,
maybe one or two occasions, Ithink.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, really twice for sure.
Yeah, my biggest memory of him,of course, is when he brought
out the Kung Fu grip.
Of all harmonicas there waslike seven of them in this case
and they were all lovinglypreserved, of different sizes.
It's like, well, we've got thelittle one here and then we've
got the big one at the end.
They weren't obviouslycategorized that way, but my
(14:15):
mind was going wow, that set ofharmonicas right there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Somebody knows his business.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, he definitely.
He really was a good harpplayer, that is for sure.
Like I say, he was giving metips on how to play the
harmonica.
Just not that long ago we weretalking, I was trying to get him
on my show.
(14:40):
Here he is Mick Martin.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You better hold on baby, think about the things you
do.
You better hold on baby.
Hold on baby, think about thethings you do.
You better hold on baby, thinkabout the things you do.
You might end up gettingsomeone mad at you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know, it's interesting because here he is a
great musician and revered inthe blues community, Great blues
musician, but he was also, likeyou say, a movie reviewer, a
movie critic, and he was a radioDJ too.
(15:28):
So he was, you know, he wasalso a good radio guy.
He was on KZAP, Capital PublicRadio, Not to mention his big
blues band, and for over 40,almost 50 years did this.
You might end up getting someonemad at you.
(15:49):
I thought, ken Dogg, it mightbe kind of fun.
Here he is.
Mick would want me to play thismusic.
(16:11):
By the way, I saw his big bluesparty it wasn't that long ago
(16:33):
there at the Crest Theater.
It was outstanding, Ken, kenDogg.
I found a long-lost video, kenDogg, that I thought we'd listen
to a little bit of this, solet's mix it all together.
Mick Martin, this is going backto 1976.
If anyone remembers Bob Wilkins,bob Wilkins was a guy who was
(16:54):
on Channel 40, ktxl used to sitback in a recliner and he would
smoke a big cigar and he hadthose horn-rimmed black glasses
and he'd wear a suit and hisshow was sponsored by I can't
remember what cigar business intown.
He might tell us in here and hewould play these horror movies
or these you like plan nine fromouter space, or kong in this
(17:17):
instance, or santa claus, ummeets the martians, or whatever
that movie is.
Cat dog he didn't play these tobe fascinated the the, the
creature from the black lagoon,and he would, you know, come
back during the break and hewould talk.
So we have mick martin, him tobreak and he would talk.
(17:39):
So we have mick martin, uh,joining bob wilkins's 1976.
And this is when.
Um, this is from the center forsacramento history, their film
and video archives mick martinseen with his first man, smith
martin and shaw it's about 1975,really at the Bill Ray Studios.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And this is here they are right here Come out of
Sacramento area in the past fewyears Now, a group called Smith,
Martin and Shaw is trying forthe charts.
After playing to sell outcrowds in Northern California
for months now, they're aboutready to release their own
single called On the Road.
The group was rehearsing at theBill Race Studios recently and
(18:18):
here's an example of their styleOn my way to San Anselmo, a
(18:43):
midnight volunteer Tomorrownight at San Francisco, 30 miles
from here.
I hope to meet a fallen.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So again, ken Dogg.
This is 1976, and at the BillRay Studios.
And here's Mick, and we'll heara little bit from Mick in this
as well.
A little harmonic, and then hetalks.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
The band, as it is in concept now, has been together
for about two years.
We've known Jim for that longand the only new member that
we've had is Donna Proctor, andshe's been with us about six or
seven months and it's just, it'sbeen so good.
I mean, things have beenhappening to us as if we're part
of a mainstream type ofprogress that's really just kind
(19:36):
of carrying us along.
The music's good, we're happywith each other, we're enjoying
the whole experience and thingsjust seem to happen in a very
positive fashion for us.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It's amazing to see how young he is right there.
I know we can all say thatabout ourselves.
Ken Dogg Look how young I wasthere.
Of course you look the same aswhen I first knew you, when I
first met you.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Oh, thank you.
Yes, the formaldehyde isworking.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
We're talking with Ken Dogg.
It is Pat's Peeps number 300.
Talking about Mick Martin here,who just passed away, here's a
little bit more from Mick.
I want to let him talk for asecond about his career.
Like I say, here you go.
Oh, now here is.
This is the opening, ken Dogg,if anyone remembers, to the Bob
(20:23):
Wilkins show 1976.
So this is where Mick joins himand they start talking movies,
ken Dogg, and I'll let youcomment on this.
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Let's take a little movie test here for just a
second.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What movie have you seen?
If you ask me who that wasblindfolded, I could tell you
within two seconds who thatvoice was.
Ken Doug, that's Bob Wilkins.
Yeah, that was part of mychildhood on the weekends, more
than any other film what pops toyour mind.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
And if that movie were playing, let's say, on
television tomorrow night orplaying in a local theater,
you'd go see it again and itwouldn't bother you at all, even
though you've seen it maybe adozen times.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What movie would that be for you?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Oh man, so many.
You know obviously the StarWars, probably me first, Simply
because of the kid in me.
Yeah, I know, but there areothers.
Just two, but I think that youranswer was this one Probably me
first.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Simply because of the kid in me.
Yeah, I know, but there areothers, I know.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Two but I think that your answer was this one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I love the sound of the old film.
You know the video like that.
I just love the intros likethis.
Ken Dogg, we're millionairesboys, oh yeah, I can hear I can
hear all of you.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
In a few months we'll be up in lights on Broadway.
Come be a wonder of the worldthat legendary Max Steiner score
.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Can you imagine when that movie first came out?
I don't know what year that waswhen that came out, but now
we're so used to In 33, okay,same year my dad was born.
So these days we're used to theCGI and all that you were
talking about, and specialeffects are incredible.
But back in 1933, that musthave freaked people out, seeing
Kong like this.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Right, right, wild weird wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That was like a stop action type of a thing, right?
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, classic stop motion, stop motion.
Yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So here is Mick Martin joining Bob Wilkins to
discuss the movie Ken Dogg, andwe'll take a listen and we'll
comment along with him.
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I get excited every time I see that trailer.
Mick Martin is with us.
A film fan, was I right?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Mick, we're in a dark brick red leisure suit.
You're looking good, Mick.
I love that guy.
He is so iconic here.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
How many times have you seen the original King Kong?
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Oh, at least in the 20, 25 times at least.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, but you're really into films.
Probably the average guy in thestreet has seen it A dozen,
yeah, I'd say a dozen.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's quite common.
It's an event when it's on TV.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
What about?
Let's talk about the old Kongand the new Kong, and just
there's so many books out nowand, of course, the movie opens
up next week.
What made the old Kong a greatmovie?
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Well, for one thing, it was the first time that that
kind of thing had been done.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's what I was talking about.
That was my point.
That must have been amazing.
It's the first time that peoplehad seen anything like that,
you know, and it's interestingto me, because anyone that
listens to my show knows thatKen Dogg is like they'll say,
and including me.
They'll say you know, ken Dogg,he's like a movie savant, like
encyclopedia.
And people will say about me,man, he's like a music savant,
(23:52):
like an enopedia, whereas MickMartin is both music and movies.
I don't know anything aboutmovies.
It's like we have a child inreverse Right.
Let's see what he says aboutKong.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Go ahead.
No, no, I was going to say it'sinteresting that this is coming
up when the 1976 version of theDino De Laurentiis King Kong is
getting ready to release.
So that's an interesting littletime capsule right there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a.
That was the one with JessicaLange.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Jessica Lange, jeff Bridges, charles Gruden yeah,
Okay, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
A giant monster on the screen, looking as if it was
80 feet tall.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's exactly what I was talking about.
I can't believe.
You just said that.
Thank you, Mick.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
And I just think it's a fast-paced action film that
really holds your attention.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
It came out in the 30s.
It must have really beenunbelievable for somebody to go
into a theater and see somethinglike that Right.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
It was one of those instances where people were
passing out in the aisles, oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
God, I can't believe that's what they're talking
about.
That was my first thought aboutthat.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
The uh, lewis O'Brien , of course, did the animation
Mm-hmm, and it was directed byErnest Shodsack and Melville
Cooper, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Jesus, that's just like you.
You name everyone who directedit, anyone who did anything in
the movie.
It's very impressive.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I'll tell you this book here.
Oh yeah, we'll show some ofthese because you might want to
catch some of these, becausevery unusual stuff.
I think the two guys youmentioned who created kong were
in the pilot seats in the finalscenes that they actually killed
kong.
Remember the planes, theairplanes in the sky?
That was one little piece oftrivia that was pointed out.
(25:38):
Here's a paperback book that isout on the new Kong and here's
one that has an interestingtitle, the Girl in the Hairy Paw
, and I can't hold it anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
The Girl in the Hairy Paw, Ken Doug.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yes, yes, yes.
I think that was a movie of adifferent vintage that I wasn't
allowed to see until I was 18.
But hey, it never did Eitherthat or it was a medical film
from the Vietnam War that Ididn't hear Books.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
You should say that the making of Pink Pong is the
best.
If someone was going to go outand buy the book on the film,
that would be the best.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Can you get me Girl with the Hairy Paw Dad Mom.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
An American film that's just come out.
Talking to the director.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So, anyhow, these are all the books at Kong.
Let's see what Mick has to sayhere and a chest Came to the
chest, but that was it.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Chest came to the chest, but that was it.
That was all.
And this one's an 85 footmechanical monster that has, I
think, 16 motions.
It can make with its hands andsomething like 20 different
expressions, and they had a hugecrowd in new york, as this
monster was actually walkingthrough the streets of new york
and people were watching it okay?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I I think we let's take some scenes here, some
stills.
We'll have a film clip for younext week and you'll see a
close-up of the monster wholooks very realistic.
He's how tall, 85 feet tall, 85.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So, anyhow, they're talking about King Kong.
Let's see.
Oh no, I don't know who theoriginal who was the?
Original actress Fay.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Wray.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Fay Wray, that's right.
They even picked her on theEmpire.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
State Building to bring back Kong to where he
rightfully belongs.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I knew I could ask you that, ken dog.
I knew that.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Jessica Lange.
Jessica Lange Interesting thingthey auditioned people from all
over the world for this partand they picked her.
She's a New York model.
It'll be her first film role.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I had such a crush on her.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
What an ungoverable American dream.
I wonder who they named herafter.
They called her Dwan in themovie and gave her no first name
.
So that's something for filmbuffs to ponder why they did
that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Are you pondering that, Ken Dogg?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, when we first meet her, she's showing you an
absolutely wonderful backside.
So no, I didn't care about hername when I saw it.
I'll call you all of Charlie'sAngels.
Let's just say she was notmiscast as a model.
She definitely filled thoserequirements nicely, oh boy she
(28:15):
was.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
She is a beautiful lady.
Good question Biggest crush onher?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Another thing, when Kong has received so much
publicity in New York.
When they asked for the 5,000people, of course 30,000 showed
up, but they also ran a like aposter in the New York Times and
just put a little line at thebottom.
You could hardly read it.
If you would like a duplicateof this poster, please write to
(28:41):
so-and-so.
25,000 people wrote it.
They were inundated.
Yes, let's look at a poster.
This is from your collection.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So we're talking Ken Dogg is with me here on Pat's
Peeps, number 300.
You know, what we're doing hereis we're just talking about
Mick Martin.
Mick Martin passed away, 79years old.
I mean 79 years old, this is1976 is what I meant to say.
But he was an icon ofSacramento and just such a good
guy, ken Dogg, and I'm very sadabout this.
(29:10):
I'm really going to miss MickMartin.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
For his music music his radio show.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know the fact that you could count on.
He would have like a you knowbig blues bash or something like
that, and I'm just very sadabout this you know who he was.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He was one of the great renaissance men of
Sacramento.
He was one of the renaissancemen.
He breathed legitimate art,whatever he was doing.
You know, it's probably mostprofoundly expressed in his
music, which is just balls tothe wall.
Good, I can listen to that forhours and I'm not the greatest
(29:47):
music man, but I was listeningto the snatches of the show
you're playing with theharmonica and everything else
that he's doing and is singingand it's like, man, I could just
groove to this for hours.
You know, it's just this energythat he had in everything he
did.
You know, it's just this energythat he had in everything he
did.
You know, from the radio, fromthe print, from the television,
from the music he was.
He was a what do they call thatin a baseball?
(30:09):
A five tool player.
The guy could do it all and didit all with style and passion.
And I don't think you'll seehis like, especially locally,
anytime soon.
And that's that's a a shame,but we have so many memories and
it's just wonderful yeah, yeah,like I said, I was inundated
with messages, uh, over theweekend.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I want to tell everyone thank you for letting
me know.
It's because people knew that.
Um, you know that I knew himand he was a great guest on the
show and um, so a little bitmore with mick and then I'll
play some of his music here aswell kind of giving away all
this stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
I know you're going to be out there and that's next
friday right at the madisonsquare for theater.
That's on madison they stillhave that place.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The mad I knew you would react to that.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's been gone for a long time.
Yeah, the Madison Ford Theater,madison Ford Theaters.
When I came around, it was asecond run theater, so what
would happen was that the bigmovies would come there after
their initial theatrical runsand they were cheap so you could
get in for like three or fourbucks and still see the same
great movie.
(31:19):
You just had to wait a littlewhile, and I remember that I saw
the 1988 version of the blobthere.
I remember that.
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Yeah, that brings back a lot ofmemories.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Isn't that great.
I love some of the references,like that Manzanita.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Right, and at seven o'clock and 8 o'clock.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That was at Madison and Manzanita.
He said Is that what he said?
Yep.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
It'll be two different time starts because
Kong is so big.
It'll be in two theaters.
We will be giving away KingKong candy bars.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'll be drawing for him because we can't.
King Kong candy bars.
Ha yeah, wow, madison andManzanita.
The Madison Fort Theater.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
We expect a huge crowd and we'll draw for this
stuff, we'll be doing it.
We'll have pictures, candy bars, that huge King Kong cutout
statue that you'll see in thelobby In fact, it's there right
now, isn't it?
Yes, it is Okay.
We will also have pictures togive away and I will also do the
drawing for our King Kongstatuette that we've been
showing the last few weeks.
We will draw one of the winningpostcards at the Madison Square
(32:26):
Four Theater next Friday.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's opening night all over the world Madison
Square Four Theater.
We don't.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
That's another thing.
Movies normally open up in aregional area, or I think Jaws
had one of the biggest openings.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
There you go.
Ken Dogg Jaws had one of thebiggest openings.
Oh my gosh, that's believable.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
This Kong thing will open up, they tell me, in 2,500
theaters all over the world.
The same night.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
How does that compare to today?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
world the same night.
How does that compare to today?
Uh well, um, you know, it'skind of like adjusted for
inflation.
That's huge back in 75, oh yeah, okay, or 76, but now, like,
for example, you know, thelatest jurassic world opened in
4300 theaters.
Now there are more theaters,right, there are more theaters
now, but yeah, so, yeah, butthat so.
So it's not quite as impressive, but for the day that's huge
yeah, that really is.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yep, oh yeah it should.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
If the movie has anything going for it at all, it
should, should be one of thebiggest grocers.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Well, I think the amount of interest on this film
is is so immense that there's nodoubt there's going to be I
believe it's going to be asuccess and that it's going to
make back its money the onlyother current film Christmas
film that I can think of.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Uh-oh.
What's he going to be Christmasfilm that he can think of?
1976.
1976.
Doesn't mean it's a Christmasfilm, it just came out at
Christmas.
He's so smooth in front of thecamera too.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
The Sherlock Holmes movie the 7%.
Solution.
Sherlock compete with it.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He's so smooth in front of the camera too.
New sherlock holmes movie theseven percent solution yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Sherlock holmes movie the seven percent solution,
yeah, the seven percent solution, so you can tell the stuff that
was coming out back then.
You know nowadays, blockbusterthis, blockbuster, that summer
movie season, but the type ofmovies, especially in the 70s
big spectacles like king kongand of course jaws before that
were rare, and so they'retalking about Kong going up
against a Sherlock Holmes filmwhich you would never think of
(34:27):
as an even battle, but back thenit was pretty well-weighted.
The same Interesting bit oftime history there in terms of
how movies have changed over theyears.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
We'll be showing film clips of that in the near
future and I had a chance totalk to Nicole Williamson, who
plays Holmes, and he has somevery interesting comments for
you Sherlock Holmes fans.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
So are you saying that the uh, that, that it would
have been no contest that, um,king Kong would have, that it
would have been far superior,far more popular than Sherlock
Holmes?
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
In today's day and age?
Yes, then not so much.
Uh, you know it was, it's.
It's a toss up back then.
Nicole Simpson is awell-regarded actor.
Um, sherlock Holmes was apopular property.
Uh, still, you know ChristopherLee, peter Cushing those guys
played versions of him.
You know it's, it's one ofthose ones that had staying
(35:24):
power and even though it seemslike a nifty little drama, you
know the big tentpole stuffwhere you know monsters galore
and all that other stuff, ithadn't been ushered in yet.
Not quite.
Okay, jaws was an exceptionrather than the rule.
Okay, okay.
So it would have beeninteresting to see what the
actual box office stats were,because I don't remember off the
(35:44):
top of my head.
I'll probably look that up andsee how much they did against
each other.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here's more, with Bob and Mick and some music coming
up Channel 40.
God, I remember this.
I would have been watching itat this age.
With me is Mick Martin.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
I probably watched this.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Again, like they just said, a movie reviewer for the
Sacramento Union Sitting on setsmoking a cigarette.
That's awesome, smoking acigarette.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
The idea for that kind of a combination.
Rolling Stone said it wasinteresting.
I've got to see it for myselfbefore.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't even know if that's a cigarette.
We're going to talk aboutSherlock Holmes tonight.
Is it a cigarette or a pipe orsomething?
Speaker 7 (36:30):
Maybe it's a cigar we want to get your feelings on
the new movie 7% Solution, but Iwant to show you an interview I
did with Nicole Williamson, whoplays Horne, all right, so
let's get to some music here,ken Dogg.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Let's get to some music from Mick here, let's see,
because he's got a bunch moreto talk about there, let's see.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Well, there are people who write letters to
Sherlock Holmes to 221 BakerStreet and they finally I think
it was about four years ago setup an actual 221 Baker Street
where people could go, and Ithink there's even a little
museum there now.
Well, baker.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Street where people could go, and I think there's
even a little museum there.
Now.
Well, who was the Holmescharacter?
Was he taken from someone?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
Well, originally what he was was one of Conan Doyle's
teachers.
He was an instructor thatfascinated Doyle as a youth,
because he never Going to missyou, mcmartin.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Going to miss him, ken Doug?
Yeah, definitely.
Now, this is a telethon from1976.
Tv telethon.
They're on TV.
Rest in peace.
Mick Martin, Thanks for being agood friend.
Man, my friend, I'm gonna missyou so much.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Ken Doug, thank you for joining me today on my 300th
Pat's Peaks podcast yeah, likeI said, I'm honored, I
appreciate it and I'm going tomiss Mick too yeah, alright,
we'll talk about him on the showtonight, ken Dog.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Thank you, buddy, we'll see you on the radio.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Thank you, brother yep, we'll see you on the radio.
Thank you, brother.
Yep, I'm out.
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