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August 13, 2025 • 25 mins

The absurdity of marijuana's classification as a Schedule I drug alongside heroin and LSD takes center stage in this exploration of America's complicated relationship with cannabis. As President Biden prepares to make a decision on reclassifying marijuana "in the coming weeks," we examine what this potential change could mean for users, the medical community, and our legal system.

Drawing from recent conversations with medical professionals, including a physician who called into my radio show to share that the only adverse effect he's observed from marijuana use is "perhaps a lack of motivation," we contrast these mild outcomes with the devastating consequences portrayed in vintage propaganda films like "Reefer Madness." The stark contrast between evidence-based assessments and fear-mongering highlights how far our understanding has evolved.

The podcast delves into the logical inconsistencies of current cannabis policy, particularly when compared to alcohol. As I point out, "I don't really recall anyone in my life saying 'God, I woke up this morning with headaches from smoking weed last night,'" unlike the well-documented hangovers and potential liver damage associated with alcohol consumption. This comparison forms the backbone of my argument for full legalization rather than merely rescheduling marijuana as a Schedule III substance, which would still leave it classified as a controlled substance subject to federal regulations.

Through a blend of humor, cultural references, and policy analysis, this episode offers a thought-provoking look at where we've been and where we're heading with marijuana legislation in America. Whether you're a casual observer of drug policy or have strong opinions on legalization, you'll find something to ponder in this entertaining yet substantive discussion. Tune into the Pat Walsh Show on KFBK News Radio (7-10 PM Monday through Friday) for more conversations that challenge conventional thinking and explore today's most relevant topics.

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Speaker 1 (01:58):
Came in to do the podcast last night.
That was kind of awesome to doit last night.
Thank you, if you listen to thepodcast that I posted a rare
evening podcast as I filled infor Sam Shane.
Yes, yeah, kpk in the afternoon.
My name is Pat Walsh, also thehost of the Pat Walsh radio show
.
Kpk news radio in Sacramento 7to 10 pm Monday through Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Hope you listen.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
We had a lot of phone calls on this.
As a guest hosted for Sam Shane, who does Noon to 3 on BK, bk
talked a little bit about this.
The president says he's goingto make a decision on
reclassifying marijuana in thecoming weeks and and so I

(02:59):
thought that was prettyinteresting, as the president
said yesterday well, actually onMonday his administration was
looking at reclassification.
A pot intends to make adecision in the upcoming weeks,
like I just said, um a verycomplicated subject base, he
said during a press briefing,says I've heard great things
having to do with medical andbad things having to do with

(03:22):
just about everything else.
I had a doctor who called myshow yesterday, called himself
Dr Bruce, says he's beena doctorfor many years and that the
only adverse things that he hadseen with marijuana, to be
honest, was perhaps a lack ofmotivation.
I made it a point to tell him.
Well, and John McGinnis SheriffJohn McGinnis who does a show

(03:42):
at 3 pm on KFPK, right after SamShane, until 4 before Kitty
O'Neill.
I told him what the doctor said, that he didn't really see
adverse effects, and then Johnpulled up some information that
he had Googled, saying it doeshave adverse effects.
And I don't want to, obviouslyI don't want to get back into
that today.
And we're not taking phonecalls here on the podcast today.

(04:03):
And we're not taking phonecalls here on the podcast today.
By the way, the president didnot indicate at this briefing
whether he intends to reclassifypot, just that his
administration would considerthat Reclassifying marijuana as
a Schedule III drug would reducepenalties without making it
fully legal.
Far as I'm concerned, I'm goingto say the same thing here as I

(04:23):
said on my radio show but yeah,I think it should be fully
legal.
Far as I'm concerned, I'm goingto say the same thing here as I
said on my radio show but yeah,I think it should be fully
legal.
Now, some of you are going todisagree, and that's perfectly
fine.
I love the difference ofopinion.
You know, listen, marijuana tome is no worse than alcohol.

(04:44):
People sitting there having acocktail and blasting people who
are maybe smoking a joint, Imean, to me, I find that
hypocritical.
I don't really recall anyone inmy life saying God, I woke up
this morning I was throwing upout of headaches from smoking
weed last night.
Now I've heard that withalcohol, people have hangovers

(05:06):
and it can cause cirrhosis ofthe liver, all this stuff, and
that's not what I'm trying toget into today.
I don't want to debate that.
That's not my point.
The point is that they'rethinking about doing it at least
at a class three, but whichdoesn't make it fully legal, you
know.
I just suggest that it shouldbe.

(05:26):
I mean, why, prohibition on pot?
And there's a bunch of layerswhy and a bunch of reasons why.
But I thought you know, here onPat's Peeps, just to kind of
keep it light.
I mean what the heck it is aWednesday Before you know, here
on Pat's Peeps, just to kind ofkeep it light.
I mean what the heck it is aWednesday, before you know it,
the weekend will be here.
I thought, why not, let's havea little fun with it?

Speaker 5 (05:46):
These high school boys and girls are having a hop
at the local soda fountain.
Innocently, they dance Innocentof a new and deadly menace
lurking behind closed doorsMarijuana, the burning weed with
its roots in hell.
In this film you will see theease with which this vicious

(06:08):
plant can be grown in yourneighbor's yard, rolled into
harmless looking cigarettes,hidden in an innocent shoe or
watch case.
In this startling film you willsee domesters lure children to
destruction.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Spirits Hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case.
In this startling film you willsee dopesters lure children to
destruction.
Dopesters, we're going to thedope place.
Why don't you come along?
Ah see, we're going to the dopeplace.
Yeah, see, you got your bongthey could play a set of doubles
.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Oh, you can play anytime Come on without them
laughing.
Can I go along with you?

(06:50):
Yeah, we're going to do abungalow.
See, you're going to like it.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
See, we're going to bounce around the room a few
times.
You got it See, Okay, Uh-oh, ohboy.
There goes Bill.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
I'll say Ah boy there goes, bill, through the
soul-destroying reefer.
They find a moment's pleasure,but at a terrible price, I'll
say.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Divorce, violence, murder, suicide.
It's like the last party I wasat Someone broke out a bong and
all of thisong.
Oh, maybe someone had a camera.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
And the ultimate end of the marijuana addict.
Hopeless insanity.
You got any Oreos?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I feel like a milkshake.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
See this important film now, now, before it is too
late marijuana, marijuanamarijuana.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Hey, hey, hey, marijuana marijuana.
Hey, hey, hey, marijuanamarijuana.
Hey, hey, get high.
Marijuana marijuana, marijuanamarijuana, marijuana marijuana,

(08:30):
marijuana marijuana.
I like marijuana, you likemarijuana, we like marijuana too
.
You know marijuana, we likemarijuana too.
You know what I do.
Got though, man.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
I got a joint man, oh wow alright, hey, come on,
light it up, let's get Chineseeyes.
Man, what kind of joint is thisman?
Oh, it's a heavy duty joint man.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
It looks like a toothpick man.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
No it's not a toothpick man.
No, hey, it is a toothpick man.
No, it's not a toothpick man.
No, hey, it is a toothpick man.
Oh man, it's just, it is atoothpick.
Hey, you wanna get high man?
That's how they do it.
They got wooden balls, man, Igot a joint here, man.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I've been saving for a special occasion.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Play on fire love.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Hey, I hope the drums don't mess up your upholstery
man?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Nah, I'm in a band too, man.
Oh, are you?
Yeah, I'm a lead singer man.
Ah, that's it man.
Yeah, we play everything fromlike Santana to El Chicano.
Man, you know, like everything.
Hey, I'm just a love machineand I don't work for nobody but
you.
Well, when my temperature eyesand then I go for her thighs and
then I say guacamole in myjuice, guacamole in my juice.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Hijo de la chingada.
Is that a joint man?
I got that.
Looks like a quarter pounderman.
Let's a plug.
Be careful with that shit, man.
Is it heavy stuff, man?
Will it blow me away?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Put your seatbelt on, man, I've been smoking since I
was born.
Man, I can smoke anything.
Man, talk it out, man, it kindof grabs you by the boo-boo,
don't it?
Hey man, what, what.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, they'll stone you when you're trying to be so
good.
They'll stone you, just likethey said they would.
They'll stone you when you'retrying to go home.
They'll stone you when you'rethere all alone, but I would not

(10:57):
feel so alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
Well, they'll stone you whenyou're walking on the street.
They'll stone you when you'retrying to keep your seat.
They'll stone you when you'rewalking on the floor.

(11:19):
They'll stone you when you'rewalking to the door, but I would
not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Celebrities smoking pot and the way it was written
was.
I was back in my fort when Iwas in high school.
They would pass it to me.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I would do like you know.
Oh, do one for us, you have tonow I didn't.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh God, I have to remember this bit.
This is Celebrity's Smoking Pot.
It was written in like the 70s,so it was like Jimmy Carter.
That's damn good weed.
I love this the whole bit.
I can't believe I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I'm trying to remember.
Give me more.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Here you go, Curly.
My sweetly Money Whoop, whoop,whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop,
whoop.
I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm not be doing it.
I'm trying to recreate this.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Walter Brennan Weeds make it easier.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
It's a damn good reflow.
Yeah, the blood's on fire theblood's on fire, mr Haney from
Green Acres I did them all.
Mr Douglas, have I got a dealfor you A genuine imitation fur
line battery run bong for yoursmoking pleasure?
I cannot believe I'm doing that, mr.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Haney.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
I still do in my act, though I do Barney Fife Boom
what do you call that?
Right there, the forbiddenfruit?
But I do all the characters ofMayberry in the show, except for
Howard Sprigg.
I can pull him.
I used to do him smoking pot,remember him?
The town clerk?
Oh yeah, whatever, gee, andy,except for Howard Sprague, I can
pull him.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I used to do him smoking pot.
Remember him, the town clerk?
Sure, oh yeah, whatever.
Gee Andy, fire up a fatty.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
You do Floyd the Barber too.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Oh yeah, oh yeah Do you do Aunt.
Bea.
Yeah, andy, there are seeds inmy barrel of water.
You're done, mind stoned in asleep, first I hit the sweet
leaf and then I have nice dreams.

(13:30):
When I get up awake and bake,take a piss and shake, my clock
stopped at 420, what you want meto say.
I stay blazed all day, nomatter where.
I'm creeping hot boxes on yourclock and at the spot on the
weekends you'll see smoke rising.
Just who could it be?
It's my rhyme of crime partnerD-L-O-6-C.
See it after me, born andraised in the suburbs, faded off
the blood smoke, thrown it atyou nerds.

(13:50):
Thanks, johnny Richter, foryour nice little handoff.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
I got some purple cuts.
Did you bring the sandbox?
Just bounce some butts, we canmake a little keef.
Spice up the leaf before wesmoke the tree.
Everybody in the scene knows heblow the most doja.
That's why they label us theKyle Mount soldiers.
Time is 4 to 0,.
Yeah, our clocks is always on.
These anti-heroes are just hereto serve you properly, so leave

(14:16):
those blessings right up hereupon the altar At four to zero.
Everybody's burning ganja.
Okay, let's see Toke as needed.
Caution objects may appear moreedible than they actually are.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
What's that billowing down the stairs?
It's smoke.
It smells like the artteacher's office.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Smoke in the water.
Duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh-duh,uh-oh, duh-duh-duh, duh-duh.
They burned down the galley'shouse.
It died with an awful sound.
I am hungry for a candy bar.

(15:20):
I think I'll eat a mound.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Homer, you're doing drugs.
Nah, and now I'm guilty ofpossession.
I could go to prison Unless Itestify against you, marge.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's making my eyes better, and it's legal.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
I could walk up to the president and blow smoke in
his stupid monkey face and he'djust have to sit there groo' on
it.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Call the sky Havana Lake.
Call the sky Rose.
Carmethy, all is ari andcrimson.
Hello, march, I just realized Iam the ow in the word now and

(16:09):
if you tell anyone.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Honey, I like it when you call, but we just talked
five minutes ago.
It's from the bomb.
It's from the bomb.

(16:32):
Pick it, pack it, fire it up.
Come along and take a hit fromthe bomb.
Put the blunt down just for asecond.
Don't get me wrong, it's not anew method.
Inhale, exhale.
Just got a ounce in the mail.
I like a blunt or a big fat cone, but my double barrel bomb is

(16:52):
heavy stone.
Don't steal it.
There's water inside.
Don't spill it.
It smells like shit on thecarpet.
Steal it, goes down smooth.
When I get it clean, I'm theskunky, funky, smelly green shit
.
Sing my song, puff all nightlong as I.
Take hits from the bomb.
Take hits from the bomb, getback in the house.

(17:13):
Take hits from the bomb, getback in the house, get back in
the house.
You don't even need drugs now.
The weed is so strong.
Now weed is like drugs.
You know what I mean.
I don't know what happened toweed.
Weed used to be like a good old, fun recreational activity, but
now it's like hard drugs.
Man, I've done weaker acid thanthe weed that's out here now.

(17:37):
It's true, though, I used tohave a lot of fun with weed when
I was younger, you know, Icould smoke like a joint or a
blunt with some people.
We'd laugh, have a good time,listen to some music.
Now I take one hit.
I'm out walking around in theyard praying.
I feel like I'm having a heartattack.
I'm just saying over and overagain weed's never killed anyone

(18:00):
.
Weed's never killed anyone.
I'm like I don't even know ifthat's true.
That used to be true, but Idon't know if it's true anymore.
This weed could be killingpeople, but I don't know if it's
true anymore.
I mean, this weed could bekilling people.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Marijuana is a Schedule I drug.
By the way, the process ofrescheduling marijuana, or even
trying to, has historicallyplayed out over the years and
even decades.
Paul Ameritano, the DeputyDirector for the National
Organization for the Reform ofMarijuana Laws, or NORML,
previously told Nextar it'sdifficult to say how fast

(18:36):
efforts could play out right now.
Heather Traylor, director ofoperations fellow at the
Rockefeller Institute, sayingthat in April that they could be
fueled by Trump, and now we areseeing that.
At this point they are Back inthe 70s they would play songs
about pot and they would be inthe top 40.
In the 70s they'd play songsabout anything.
One of the guys that I rememberdoing that and he ended up with

(18:59):
a TV show.
He became very popular.
It was Jim Stafford.
Anyone remember Jim Stafford?
He was actually quite funny.
He had humorous songs.
He had like like I don't likespiders and snakes and that
ain't what it takes to love me,like I want to be loved by you.
Remember that song?
If you were around in the 70syou probably do.

(19:20):
It was on the radio all thetime.
Then he got a tv show.
He had wacky songs like my girlbill, and back then you'd be
listening to it going what?
What do you mean?
My girl bill?
What are you funny there,mister, you know back in the day
.
And then, as it turns out, he'stelling a guy by the name of
bill that hey, that's my girlbill.

(19:43):
So he would catch off guard.
But he had a couple of tunesand I thought, even as a kid, I
thought I think he's talkingabout pot, I think he's singing
about pot.
He had the one song called theygot stoned and I missed it.
Jim Stafford.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
I was sitting in my basement.
I just had myself a taste ofsomething that I love to taste,
because it seems to make my daywhen my friend calls on the
phone and he says I'm glad Icaught you home.
There's a fool down on thecorner giving hundred dollar

(20:29):
Geez.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I haven't heard this in years.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
He said time is a waste and so get your motor
racing.
But I had another taste and Iheaded for the door and I tried
to find my hat and I had alittle more, and I had another
taste.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And then I got stoned and I missed it.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
I got stoned and I missed it.
I got stoned and I missed it.
I got stoned and it rolledright by.
I got stoned and I missed it.
I got stoned and I missed it, Igot stoned.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Put me on my mind.
Yeah, he had another song backthen.
It was even more popular thanthat and they'd play it on the
radio all the time Wildwood Weed, jim Stafford, pat's Peeps 315.
No, I don't own the music.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
I'm educating, thank you.
The name of this song isWildwood Flower.
Now the Wildwood Flower is anold country classic.
It's gained a whole newpopularity.
The song isn't any more popular, but the flower's doing real
good.
Wildwood Flower grew wild onthe farm and we never knew what

(21:47):
it was called.
Some said it was a flower andsome said it was a weed.
I didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I like the juice harp in here, the jaw harp, whatever
.
You call that, kazoo, whateverthat is.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
I don't know what happened, but I knew it beat the
hell out of Smith and Burlap Icome to.
My brother was there and hesaid what's wrong with your eyes
?
I said I don't know.
I was chewing on the weed.
He said let me give it a try.
Spent the rest of that day andmost of that night trying to

(22:32):
find my brother.
Bill caught up with him aboutsix o'clock the next morning
making singing on the windmill.
He said he flew up there.
I had to fly out and get himdown.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
He's about half crazy was the schedule.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
One controlled substance very next day
marijuana is considered by thedea to be without it.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Boy, it's good to hear that song again, I gotta
say uh, be without a currentlyaccepted medical use and has a
high potential for abuse.
Heroin, lsd also schedule onedrugs, which is ridiculous I'm
sorry to have pot in the same uh, you know classification as
heroin and cocaine.
So the Department of Health andHuman Services recommended back

(23:13):
in 2023 that marijuana bereclassified as a Schedule III
drug Ketamine, some anabolicsteroids or Schedule III
substances which have a moderatequote moderate to low potential
for physical and psychologicaldependence.
But here's the bottom line Evenif marijuana is rescheduled, it

(23:36):
would still be a controlledsubstance that is subject to
federal rules and regulationsand, more importantly,
rescheduling does notdecriminalize marijuana or make
it legal for recreational use onthe federal level.
Not to say they're reallylooking to bust you for, but to
me I just find that ridiculousand I think that, again, I think

(23:59):
it should be legalized.
As I told you earlier, we had adoctor call my show when we
were asking you about thisyesterday, when I was filling in
for Sam Shane, and the doctor,dr Bruce, said yep, I have not
found any adverse effects, to behonest over the years, only
adverse effect that I found isperhaps a lack of motivation,

(24:20):
which brings me I didn't pull itoff the record shelf, but what
the heck?
Here on Pat's Peeps 315.
Roll another blunt.
Thank you for listening to mypodcast.
Please listen to my radio show,the Pat Walsh Show, kfbk News
Radio 7 to 10 pm.

(24:41):
Have a beautiful Wednesday.
See you on the radio.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I was gonna clean my room until I got high.
I was gonna get up and find theradio.
I was gonna clean my room untilI got high.
I was gonna get up and find thebroom.
But then I got high.
My room is still messed up, andI know why.
Why, man?
Because I got high.
Because I got high.
Because I got high.

(25:08):
I was gonna go to class beforeI got high.
Come on, y'all Check it out.
I could have cheated and Icould have passed, but I got
high.
I'm taking the next semesterand I know why.
Because I got high, because Igot high, because I got high.
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