Pat Walsh dives into America's broken bail system with bail expert Topo Padilla following the tragic murder of a Ukrainian refugee by a repeat offender who should have been behind bars. The conversation examines how our justice system repeatedly fails to protect innocent citizens while giving dangerous criminals endless second chances.
• The murder of a Ukrainian refugee woman in North Carolina by a man with 14 prior arrests highlights catastrophic failures in our bail system
• Topo Padilla explains the difference between secured bail (with financial accountability) versus unsecured bail (just signing a form)
• Family members who co-sign bail bonds create crucial accountability that's missing in cashless bail systems
• District attorneys often dismiss serious charges because they're severely understaffed and can't handle their caseloads
• Proposition 47 in California was marketed as "Safe Neighborhoods and Schools" but actually reduced consequences for criminals
• Police officers are increasingly hesitant to make arrests due to liability concerns and changing enforcement priorities
• Voters bear ultimate responsibility for electing officials who create these policies and pass misleading ballot measures
• Both Walsh and Padilla commit to staying and fighting for safer communities rather than leaving California
Call us at KFBK Radio in Sacramento, 7 to 10 pm, Monday through Friday, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM. We will never forget those we lost on 9/11, and we must never forget those who continue to be victims of failed policies that put criminals back on our streets.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome back to the Pats Peeps podcast.
This is what number.
329.
329 podcasts and today is aThursday.
It's 9-11.
You know, anytime I say thatnow I could have said September
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11th, it is September 11th.
It's a beautiful day as I lookout my studio windows into the
foothills of Northern California.
A gorgeous day.
The sun is out, but it is niceand cool, it's just.
You could not ask for betterweather.
But again, this is 9-11,september 11th, and, of course,
this is a day that, for many ofus, we will never forget this
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day, never, ever forget this day, never forget this day, never,
ever forget this day.
And as the host of the PatWalsh Show, as heard on KFPK
Radio in Sacramento, 7 to 10 pm,monday through Friday, 93.1 FM,
1530 am, we will talk aboutthat on tonight's show because
we will not forget.
(01:21):
As I said, there's a lot ofthings that have been on my mind
lately, of course, on all ofour minds collectively.
One of them is the Charlie Kirkmurder by some coward, which
occurred yesterday, and you knowit was interesting because it
happened right after I finishedmy podcast.
(01:42):
I was in such a good mood.
Pat's Peep 328.
I'm rolling along having agreat time, and then I finish up
and then I start getting thesemessages.
I mean I was shocked and when Igot the messages and I was
blown away, I already hadsomething else on my mind that
really had me upset.
(02:03):
Else on my mind that really hadme upset, really had me upset.
But then, because of whathappened with Charlie Kirk, that
went to the back burner andit's something that, in my
opinion, it was already on theback burner, whether or not
Charlie Kirk had been murderedby a coward yesterday or not.
And that is another murder.
(02:26):
And you know me, on my podcastand on my show I try to keep it
light, but I got to speak withmy mind and sometimes I get
extremely agitated, veryfrustrated, very sad and in the
case of this scum murdering thisyoung woman who came to the
United States trying to escapewar with their family and simply
(02:50):
, in a beautiful state of NorthCarolina, gets on this public
transportation and the nextthing you know, she's murdered
by this dude who should havenever been I'm pretty fired up
about this who should have neverbeen on that public
transportation.
Meanwhile, other people on thetrain are sitting and pretty
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much ignoring what's going on,which, of course, the man has a
knife, but I don't know ifanything more plays in that I
don't know.
But the point of it is this guyshould have been incarcerated
and I wanted to bring in TopoPadilla, who was a friend of
mine and it's been on my showmany times.
(03:33):
I just had to clear the deckswith my own thoughts Topo, greg
Padilla, bailabons and Topo.
Like I said, it's been on myshow many times and I'm grateful
to have you on today, topo, totalk about my concerns and
america's concerns about someonewho should have been locked up
but because of and you, you canget into this the no bail system
.
I mean the no cash bail system.
(03:53):
Let's, let's start right whereyou want to start as a guy who
is a professional in this, inthis business well.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Thank you, pat.
It's great to be on here.
It's sad that we have to talkabout many of the subjects that
you cover, and you cover anarray of subjects, from happy
ones to what makes this countrygreat, to tragedies like this
and the tragedy that occurredyesterday.
You know where I come in on allthis and I just finished
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serving a two-year term as thepresident of the Professional
Bail Agents of the United States, representing bail agents
across the country, and I hate,when a tragedy that happened to
Irina happened in North Carolina, to have to talk about my
business, because the last thingI want to do is promote what I
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do for a living and in the wakeof that.
But I have to tell you I'm done, I'm tired and I've been
standing up for our profession.
I've been doing this for 42years and I've been standing up
for our profession.
We're not an industry.
We don't make license plates orlight bulbs and what.
What we do and I'll say it verysimply, as bail bondsmen, is to
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hold people accountable, to goto court and then to be held
accountable by the justicesystem, whether they're guilty
or innocent.
That's for you know the topicdown the conversation and here a
little bit later, but right nowit's about accountability, and
that's what we do in ourprofession.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And I want to re, I want to uh, just kind of
interject right there and andabsolutely back up exactly what
you said.
It never even occurred to meuntil literally this second, and
that's why, um, you know,that's why, um, you, you have
integrity.
People respect you.
You know, I didn't even thinkabout promoting your business.
My only reason for this call totalk to you is because I too,
(05:51):
just like you said, you've hadenough.
You're fed up seeing someonelike this who has been released,
signing a form or whatever, andthey're giving them the easy
way out.
There seems to be noaccountability, and that is why
I'm bringing Topo in here, andthat's the only reason we didn't
even have to mention yourbusiness.
(06:11):
We could have just given yourbackground and I would have been
fine with that, because you arean expert in this business and
there's a lot of people who arevery critical over this.
No, cash bail.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt you, but I just wanted
to interject that and it'sfunny.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You just said something that's at the top of
my notes.
You know, when the president acouple weeks ago, uh, brought up
the, the whole notion of youknow washington dc and the crime
that occurs and the danger inthat city and and they said they
are going to.
You know, a lot of the blamelies on cashless bail and people
kind of look at that.
(06:45):
It's like my dad said thismorning and my dad's sitting
here listening to you, greg, andyou know he says all the time
he says I, a majority of people,don't even know what bail bond
is.
And there was a gentleman inthe car with us he says hell,
I've known you for 30 years.
I really don't understand howit works.
So I want to say this when thepresident used the term cashless
bail, most people think whatdoes that mean?
(07:06):
Well, that's like saying if wedid and we have to have car
insurance and we didn't have topay for it we could just sign a
form and an insurance policy tothe court that guarantees a
person's appearance in court andthere's a cost to that.
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There's an insurance premiumcost to that.
We're regulated by theCalifornia Department of
Insurance and across the countrybail agents are regulated by
their states in some way or formor another.
And you know what?
Again, what we do is theaccountability.
And what we're going to get into, I know, is about this guy, but
I was on the phone the otherday with one of the president's
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advisors and I was saying, hey,what are the chances of you
getting to the president andasking him to stop saying
cashless bail, because it'sreally not a term that really
means anything?
And he laughed at me.
He says, once the presidentgets set and what he's saying
and how he's saying it, you'renot going to change his mind.
(08:17):
So I will respectfully go alongwith this term cashless bail.
But what it is, pat, it'ssecured bail or unsecured bail.
Unsecured bail is when somebodyjust signs a form, says I
promise I'll be back for court.
Secured bail is where we as bailbondsmen or somebody, can put
up the full amount of cash tothe court and that bond is
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secured that they will appear incourt.
So I tried to get him to usethe word secure bail.
They told me that's just notgoing to happen.
Let's just stick with what he'ssaying and I'm not trying to
make light of it.
But cashless bail is what it is.
He, that man and our attorneygeneral, pam Bondi, has a very,
very, very good understanding ofbail and bail bonds.
(09:02):
And I'll just say one morething, not to go on too long.
If you remember, when thepresident and 18 other people
were arrested in the Georgiacase, all 18 of those people had
to post bail bonds and allthose bail bonds were posted
through a friend of mine.
He posted all of them, but theyall had to post bail bonds,
including President Donald Trumpwow, talking with Topo Padilla,
(09:27):
you know it's's, it'sinteresting, so let me get this
straight.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So the unsecured would be here.
Is your hold on hold on asecond.
Mr criminal, we've got thisform for you.
Can you just sign right hereand promise us that you'll be
back and that you'll whatever,whatever, what do they got to
pay, or whatever?
They'd be back or followthrough with?
You can explain that.
But it's interesting becauseI'm thinking, yeah, certainly
(09:56):
the one person you do want totrust is a criminal who has a
past, a checkered past, ofcommitting crimes.
So let's go ahead and have himsign or sign this paper, and
we'll just go ahead and trustthat the criminal will come
through the way they're supposedto.
Isn't that kind of hard tobelieve, topo?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It is and you're going to hear something out of
my mouth right now that I trulyand firmly believe in.
I believe in obviously, ourConstitution and the United
States Constitution, as well asthe California Constitution,
recognize and understand securedbail.
It's called under the term ofsufficient surety and Pat.
I do believe that when peopleare arrested, they become a
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defendant in a courtroom and Ido believe in bail.
I do believe people have theright to bail out of jail
because I don't think we need tokeep everybody in jail pending
their trial or the adjudicationof their case.
So I do believe in bail.
I don't believe in bail becausethat's what I do for a living.
I believe in bail because Ibelieve that our criminal
justice system needs to work.
(10:57):
The courts are not going to sitthere and trust everybody to
come back to court becausethey've signed a piece of paper.
However, we have had a movementover the last decade probably
for the last 15 years toeliminate bail bonds, because
they say it is not fair thatpeople should have to pay to get
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out of jail, that it benefitsrich people because rich people
can pay and poor people can't.
Well then, why don't we havefree car insurance for poor
people.
Why don't we have free healthinsurance for poor people?
Why don't we have well, we dohave free health insurance for
poor people.
So I won't go there and I'm nottrying to get you know,
segregate people.
What I'm saying is that ifpeople get arrested, and not
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everybody should have to bailout of jail.
There's some people that I'mcertain if they sign a piece of
paper they'll go to court, butit has been proven that in fact,
the failure to appear right bysomebody on an unsecured bond, a
promise to appear, signing thatpiece of paper, the chances of
them showing up for court isenormously less than it would be
if somebody had a bail bond, umand through a bail bondsman and
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or put up the full amount ofthe bail well, that's a known
fact.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
One of the things that I think of in many
instances and correct me if I'mwrong on any of this, I'm
certainly no expert, as we'retalking to Topo Padilla is you
know, if there's bail maybe I'mthinking about this wrong Topo,
but like, let's say so, you're acriminal, you commit a crime.
Now you need to be bailed out.
(12:25):
So in many cases I wouldimagine, maybe they don't have
the money to do that.
Maybe they're reaching out to afriend, maybe they're reaching
out to a family member, maybethey had a family member even
mortgage their home.
You never know to try to bailthese people out, right?
So now there's not onlyaccountability for the people
who are going to be into thecourtroom, but there's also
accountability and again, nowmaybe I'm ruining my own
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argument that you're going totrust a criminal but maybe
somewhere deep inside some ofthese people who commit these
crimes, perhaps there is a,shall we say, a loyalty to their
family.
They don't want their family,who went out of their way, to
put something up to get thisbail done, for them to lose out,
(13:09):
right?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I got to tell you, as I've known about you, you're a
very, very smart man.
You just nailed it right squarein the forehead.
I have it written in my notes.
It's not that I need it writtendown, but when we bail people
out of jail, about 95% of thetime we bail them out with a
cosigner and dividend.
Everybody knows what a cosigneris.
You need a cosigner and a loanand what it is, it's usually the
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family.
You know whether it's mom, dad,brother, sister, aunt, uncle
and or a friend.
And you're correct, we build abond with those people, and I'm
not trying to play funny withwords, but we truly build a bond
with them.
And I have to tell you, a whileback I had a father said you
know, I don't want my son injail, but if he gets out of jail
I am afraid he's going to bedead within a matter of days
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because he had such a badfentanyl problem.
So the dad said let's let himgo to court.
I want him to clean out andsober up for a few days.
And I said you got it, sir.
I honor you.
I will not bail him out.
And we didn't bail him out.
Well, he got ahold of some ofhis friends.
Of course, his friends bailedhim out, they bailed him out and
the young man ended up deaddays later.
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I say that not to shock value,but the reality is these family
members and friends, they knowdeep down inside what the person
and I don't call them criminalsor I call them people that have
been arrested, and I'm nottrying to get all you know easy
on the whole situation whenpeople have been arrested, we
will turn around and many timesfamily members will say, nah,
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he's all messed up, I'm notgoing to bail him out of jail, I
don't think he'll go to court,I don't want to lose the money.
Or they'll tell us hey, let'sbail them out, we'll make them
go to court.
And these people you're right,so you nailed it on the head
People who bail out are thengoing to go.
Yeah, my mom, dad, brother,sister, aunt, uncle, friend is
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on the hook and their activitiesdo change, and I've been doing
this for 42 years.
I can attest to that theyfactually do change and they
behave better than they did ifthey just signed a piece of
paper.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Whereas some people may not have the right values
and morals and commit thesecrimes, but there's still
something within them that saysyou know what this is my family
and I kind of need to be loyalto them, even though I have a
criminal past.
And you know, when you'retalking about that, about that
(15:38):
Topo, you know it rings true forme as this March you know, my
son Timothy I've never been injail my entire life and my son
Timothy, from the time he was ayoung man, he was in jail, in
juvenile hall, always had issues.
He had been bailed out or notbailed out, I can't.
I don't know the exactcircumstance.
All I know is that he was out,he was with some of these
friends who were very badinfluence and he passed away
(15:58):
from fentanyl you just talkedabout that.
So I lost my son on march 2ndfrom that for that exact reason
as we're talking about again.
The reason that I have TopoPadilla on here is not so much
to let's talk about and debatethe virtues, necessarily, but
yes, partially of this systemwe're talking about, but let's
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get to the root of this.
So, topo, the thing that reallyjust has my ire and I just I'm
sickened by it is this younglady you know.
Again, to repeat what I said atthe beginning, you know she
comes to um, to America, to livea better life, to escape war.
You know she's Ukrainianrefugee.
She's on this commuter trainand this, this, this guy, just
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for no reason stands up andstabs her to death.
This suspect, 34 years old,he'd served time in prison.
You know the story.
Everyone probably knows this.
I'm not shedding any new lighton this.
Briefly committed forschizophrenia, arrested earlier
in the year, reportedly calling911 from a hospital.
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This girl came to the UnitedStates, as I said, to escape the
war in Ukraine, and so this isall caught on camera.
Then you have these people onTV Vance Jones or whatever his
name is, van Jones or whatever.
Well, you proved to me thatthis was a racist thing, and
this is for me as a talk show.
It's not so much for you as abail agent.
(17:29):
I'm sorry I forgot that termwrong.
I apologize if I did get thatwrong no, that's right, but but
you know, um, I'm just, I'm soirate about this because, you
know, the guy says I got thatwhite girl and you got people.
Well, how is this raciallymotivated?
But that's beside the point.
The point is, this is a guy whoyou can fill this in a little
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better on this.
He signed that memo you weretalking about yeah, I promise
I'll do, and he didn't.
And and here's a guy out on thestreets who should have most
people, I believe, feel thatthis guy did not, was not
accountable for previous crimesand shouldn't have even been on
that train.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's, that's now.
Let's get to this.
You're right, this, this case,is a real, real tragedy, and I
have to tell you it all startswith the voters.
Yes, we can blame this judge.
Some want to blame the districtattorneys the DA won't
prosecute the D and then, andthen they want to blame the cops
.
Well, let me tell you the rulesof the game and I hate to use
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the word game, the criminaljustice system game are made by
our legislators.
That's who makes the rules?
The cops, the districtattorneys and the judges have to
play by these rules, just likein a baseball game.
There's nine innings and threeouts, right, they have to play
by these rules.
Das I know a lot of DAs, as youcan probably imagine, and
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they're sickened by the rulesthat they have to play by
because they're like that is.
It's not all about sendingeverybody to prison, pat.
It's about changing people'sbehavior.
And to change some people'sbehavior, prison is the answer.
But the other day I was talkingto Steve Hilton.
I had a really, really nicemeeting and he said Topo, what
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do you think California needs todo to deal with our prison
problem?
I says I have the answer foryou, steve.
That is to start educating andcurbing these people's behavior
at the county jail level.
And he looked at me.
He goes well, how could I, as agovernor, curb people's
behavior in county jail?
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I said it's real easy and I'mgoing to go way back to AB 109,
when they defunded and theystarted sending people instead
of prison to county jails.
We have done nothing to changepeople's behavior when they're
in our county jail.
When I mean change yourbehavior.
If they have a theft problem,let's fix that.
If they have a drug problem,let's fix that.
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If they have a mental healthproblem, let's fix that.
But what they did is theypassed this AB 109.
We're going to save hundreds ofmillions of dollars.
They didn't give these sheriffsthe money that they needed to
change people's behavior.
So back to this tragedy in northcarolina, this murder I don't
call him a suspect this murderyes, he did, yes, he, he flat
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out stood up for no provokedreason at all, nothing.
This poor young lady wassitting there looking down and
he brutally stabbed her rightover the right shoulder and he
should not have been there,because 14 times the system had
him and they did nothing,nothing, nothing, nothing to
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change his behavior.
Now that's most likely becauseof the rules.
The legislature said oh, goingback to what I say in the
beginning of this, it comes backto the voters, the voters, the
voters vote these legislators.
In that I'm just looking atsome bills.
As you may or may not know, I amnot, I didn't tell you yet, but
I'm the president of crimevictims united.
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And people say topa, how canyou be the president of Crime
Victims United?
You're bail bonds, you getthese bad guys out of jail.
I said no, no, no.
Number one, I get people out ofjail, but number two, I hold
them accountable to go to courtso that a victim of a crime can
have justice be served.
(21:30):
And so, digressing back to thismurderer, he probably he never
should have been on that trainbecause he should have been held
accountable and if he wasproperly held accountable, he
would have probably still beenin jail and or prison.
But their systems are so easy.
Back there, or some and I hateto use the word liberal back
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there, or some and I hate to usethe word liberal progressive
judge just says well, let's givehim another chance and another
chance and another chance.
And the blood of that beautifulyoung lady does in fact fall on
the voters and the judge, whocould have very well said no,
you're not leaving white, you'renot leaving custody.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So padilla joining us .
You're not leaving white,you're not leaving custody.
Topo Padilla joining us.
You're absolutely right, god.
There's so many, so many thingsI want to say about that.
You are, you are so right whenit comes to the voters, and the
thing that is scary to me aboutvoters these days, topo, is the
fact that we've it's almost likesports, like we've chosen a
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team.
Our team can do no wrong, yourteam can do no right.
There is no middle ground here.
So when you have voters soentrenched in these beliefs, it
doesn't matter what they see, itdoesn't matter what the facts
are.
They're going to say well, youknow, they're always going to
have an excuse.
You know court records andgoing.
But to what you're talking aboutand I'm not even going to
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mention this suspect's namebecause I don't even want to I
don't care about this guygetting any attention other than
being in prison.
He has charges ranging frommaking threats, you know, and
then you had things likeshoplifting.
You have felony larceny andother crimes going back to 2011.
(23:10):
Topo, here's one thing that, assomeone who does not know a
damn thing about these things, Iwant to ask you this question.
Okay, because I think there's alot of people who have the same
curiosity about this as I'mreading these litany of charges,
and all you have to do is watchYouTube, okay, watch YouTube.
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Watch people who are completelyout of hand committing crime
after crime and you're justdespicable.
And at the end of it and I'llread the end of this, this is
what I will hear many times.
This is what I will read manytimes Many of these charges have
been dismissed.
Topo talk about being dismissed.
(23:54):
How can the average person melook at a crime, see the crime?
Okay, and now here, after youwatch a 10-minute video of this
15-minute video, you're likewell, and then they say, oh, by
the way, many of these chargeswere dismissed.
Well, how are they beingdismissed?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh my gosh, this, this is a, this is a.
An hour on Sunday.
I'm going to hone down to avery finite Cause.
I you asking this right nowRings so true, and I I faced
this as the again the presidentof our state association, which
I served for over a decade.
I am going to tell you ourcriminal justice system in
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California I'm just going tofocus on California right now.
When you have Prop 47,proposition 47, which was one of
the biggest schemes and scamspulled by Governor Jerry Brown
on the California voters safeneighborhoods and safe schools
which had nothing, nothing to dowith safe neighborhoods and
safe schools and which hadnothing, nothing to do with safe
neighborhoods or schools oranything.
What it had to do is theywanted to change the number of
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people that were serving time inour jails because they wanted
to show that crime is down inCalifornia, because that looks
good on your record, look as thegovernor crime's down.
Well, in baseball, if I want tochange batting averages, all
I've got to do is give a batterfive strikes instead of three
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and we will have the battingaverages climb.
You just change the rules.
What a stupid way to treat thegame.
Well, what a stupid way totreat public safety, our
criminal justice system, but notenough voters.
It comes back to the voters.
Not enough voters were educated.
They just see this shinyfishing lure on TV commercial
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that says safe schools, safeneighborhoods.
Well, I'm going to vote yes.
And Jerry Brown?
He's a Democrat and I'm aDemocrat and I hate back then it
wasn't Donald Trump, but I hatewhoever it is in the Republican
Party.
So I'm going to vote for thisbecause Jerry Brown is pushing
it.
And so, digressing back tocharges being dismissed or no
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charges filed.
That comes from a couplereasons.
Number one, again, the rules ofthe game.
We've changed many of thesecharges to wobblers, and what a
wobbler is is a judge could turnaround and a da could turn
around and file it as a felonyor a misdemeanor.
Well then they change it.
Well, no, these are allmisdemeanors.
And then these da's and and I'mnow I'm going to go to bat for
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the da's these districtattorneys offices are so
understaffed, are sounderstaffed, understaffed, they
can't handle the workload thatis being put on their desk every
day.
And that is not their fault,that is the fault of the.
You know the budgets we givethem because you know I hate to
put you know, the SacramentoCounty Board of Supervisors in
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place.
But if they wanted safercommunities, they would vote for
more funding for our DA'soffice so that these people can
handle the case.
They can handle the case load.
But these DAs, they go to workin the district attorney's
office.
They are so overworked becauseof their workload because they
don't have enough people therethat they have to.
They have to dismiss thesecurrent cases.
(27:07):
They have to end CF for nocharges filed and then it looks
as though this guy doesn't havea criminal record.
So it was a long answer to yourvery, very poignant question.
That's why so many of thesecases are never filed against.
Then it looks like that no goodmurderer was a good guy.
Well, he had 14 arrests butmany of his cases were not filed
(27:29):
on her, or no charges werefiled or the case was dropped as
though he was innocent.
No, the district attorneysdon't have the bandwidth to file
on him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Wow, so they just dismiss this.
So when they casually make thestatement, by the way, charges
were dismissed.
Those of us who are, that isjust in, that's incredible topa.
That is an increase.
So there, that is an incredibleum reason for that.
You know, let me ask you thistoo, because it is of a concern
(28:03):
of mine and I don't know if, uh,how, this weighs into this.
You know, we have all of thiscrime.
We we're taking it easy oncrime.
My gosh, we'll just dismissthis.
You just mentioned Prop 47.
You steal whatever you feellike.
I just saw a video where a guygot punched and his equipment
was bashed and there was apoliceman right there who
wouldn't do anything inCalifornia.
(28:24):
He just said, well, well, no,the police was just coming up.
He didn't see it.
But the guy in the video showshim the video.
He's like well, you know, Iwasn't here when it happened.
What can I do?
Oh, your camera, your $400camera that he just smashed.
Yeah, well, we can't doanything.
It's only $400, which is asickening.
Now, does defunding police haveanything?
(28:44):
Are we seeing an effect?
Is Sacramento is?
How is California dealing withthis?
Defunding the police?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
at the same time, we're being soft on crime.
Well, I know that one.
That's another great questionand it's something I feel expert
enough to answer.
When you look at our sheriffs,there's 58 sheriffs in the
Fifty-five of them, 54 of themare rock-solid crime-fighting
public safety.
Let's go get them.
(29:15):
Let's clean up our streets.
And we look at our sheriff here, jim Cooper.
Sheriff Jim Cooper, who's madehis rounds from being a deputy
sheriff to a spokesman, to acaptain to the assembly and now
back as our sheriff.
That man ain't taking nothinglightly.
You look at the billboardsaround this town.
He is warning, he is absolutelywarning people, we're coming
(29:38):
after you, and he is doing onehell of a job.
I really have to give it to him.
And then you look at all theother sheriffs and I was just at
the state sheriff's conventionthe other day.
We have some great men andwomen throughout this state
sheriffs that are out herefighting crime, and they're
doing a great job.
Now then let's go to the cities.
You have the cities.
Let's look at our great, greatpolice chief here in Sacramento.
(30:01):
Kathy Lester, a wonderful,wonderful cop, came up through
the ranks, started as a CSO.
She is a wonderful chief.
But what happens, pat, and whyso many of these cities have all
these crimes, and why Chicagodoes, why Washington DC does,
why Detroit, michigan does, andwhy so many cities across the
(30:21):
thing is because you have thecity council and the city
managers that have the bit inthe mouth of the police chief
and they tell them this is howyou will go fight crime.
You will do this, you will notdo that.
And I'm going to tell you, ifChief Lester had it her way,
these city streets would be ahell of a lot cleaner than they
(30:43):
are.
She's done a great job, believeme.
I have to give it to KevinMcCarty.
He's really surprising me inhis pro go get him and clean up
our streets attitude.
But it comes down to these, theway, these police chiefs and
the police officers.
So back to that police officer.
You said well, I can't doanything.
I'm going to tell you thatcomes from that man, probably
not wanting to lose his pensionbecause somebody.
(31:06):
He arrested somebody and he putthe handcuffs on too tight.
He did this, he did that, heviolated the rights.
These cops are running, scared.
And there's another subject ofthe the, the immunity that these
cops can now be sued.
These cops are running.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yes, there's again another subject, but they're
running scared which is why Ihave a friend, who I will not
mention his name, who was acaptain.
He says that's it for me.
I'm going to retire.
I love my job but I'm going toretire.
That's why recruitment theyhave a tough time recruiting
people because they're undersuch scrutiny.
Let me ask you first of all.
(31:42):
I think the most important pointthat Topo has made here and you
made a lot of great pointstalking to Topo Padilla is that
it comes down to the voters.
You're absolutely right andI've said that before on my show
, I've said it before on thepodcast, and I don't want to
reiterate what I just and repeatwhat I just got through saying
about we picked a team, but whatTopo was saying is so true.
(32:05):
Listen, if you want things tochange, if you're just going to
blindly go along with everything, you really need to do some
research and you need to checkthat, because you know I lean
more conservative.
If I see a good plan by someonewho perhaps is more liberal, a
Democrat, and I see this and Isay, well, look at this, this
actually works, I'm open-mindedenough to not argue about every
(32:29):
damn thing, okay, we need tokeep an open mind, and that
comes to gerrymandering.
It comes to all of these topics.
Okay, we need to keep an openmind, but it does come down to
the voters.
It comes down to if you're justgoing to pick a team and
blindly vote, you're not doinganyone any good.
Do your research, do a littlebit.
Don't walk into a booth and gothis.
(32:53):
Good for schools which, as topopointed out, had nothing.
Prop 47 nothing.
How did that benefit schools inany way?
What it did?
Is it benefited criminals?
That's what it did, and itruined businesses who can no
longer stay in business in thestate because they're sick and
tired of being rammed.
You know, you know peoplecoming in with these smashing
grabs.
You have hagenberger.
(33:14):
Actually you got the in and outburger.
It's closing down.
Oh, but that's racist.
Why?
Because people are beingattacked all the time.
How is that so?
Anyhow, do you have faith?
Go ahead, topo, if you want toreact.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I want to say something on that note and I and
I hate to single this lady out,I really do, but it just goes
to show you, doris Matsui,congresswoman.
Doris Matsui, god bless, herhusband was a really, really
good man, congressman RobertMatsui.
She's still in office.
He passed away.
God rest his soul.
She's still in office.
(33:47):
Why is she still in office?
What is she doing?
Well, she's in office becauseof the.
You know that district favors aDemocrat and her name is so well
known they keep picking her.
There's a lot of other peoplethat have ran for that seat that
have the ability to get outthere and really and truly go
and do a job.
And again, this is not pickingon Doris Matsu, but that's just
(34:08):
one thing I got to tell you KenCooley, our assemblyman, ken
Cooley, he was my assemblymanhere where I live, a great man,
a Democrat.
I supported him.
I really, really appreciatedwhat that man did, because I
couldn't tell if he was aDemocrat or Republican.
Many times he did what wasright.
Well, when Josh Hoover wasrunning against him, I said well
(34:29):
, you know, I met Josh Hoover,nice guy, really nice guy,
really liked him.
But you know, josh doesn'tstand a chance and the voters,
they spoke differently and JoshHoover won.
Now Josh Hoover is doing anexcellent job, he's a great
assemblyman.
He is going to be a force to bereckoned with down at that
Capitol.
But there's where the voterssaid you know, unfortunately, mr
(34:52):
Kulik, because he is a greatman, you're out and this new guy
is in, and this new guy is allfocused on public safety.
I think is one of his numberone things.
So, anyway, to answer inresponse to that, that's what
more voters need to do.
We need to stop.
You know Garamendi down there.
I mean, he's been in office.
He's in office for the paycheck.
(35:13):
What is he doing?
He's been in a lifetime ofservice.
We have to start getting peoplein there.
They're going to make adifference.
And public safety if somebodywants to tell me differently,
please do.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Public safety should be number one on everybody's
mind, because if we've got asafe community, we've got a
great community and we've got agreat state and we've got a
great country, which we doBecause the great majority of
the United States of Americadoesn't do business like the
state of California one, uh, onefinal thing, as we're talking
(35:50):
to Topo Padilla, it, it, it wasa very interesting way that I
think it was Tim and Fair Oakscalled my show a couple of
nights ago and I thought hereally summed it up very nicely
we, somehow it came up aboutthis gerrymandering in the in,
in this and um, and then I madea statement and I I honestly,
(36:12):
was just trying to be a goofballa little bit, I was just being
facetious a little bit, a littlebit.
But there's part of me, thatpart of me that was like kind of
being real.
You know, if I'm living,suddenly, if I go from placer
county, which is, uh, you know,I, I like my representatives in
placer county, suddenly, if I'mnot represented by you know, um,
(36:33):
what I'm used to here in placerguy, I said, well, that's it
for me, I'm done with this place, being again somewhat facetious
.
But tim says you know what, pat, here's the problem, and I
agree with him.
You know, you don't abandon thebeachhead, right.
So to me I think of the peoplethat have ruined this state
through their policies.
It's almost as if they want tosift the people they don't want
(36:56):
to be in the state through thelittle sifter, get them out of
here, all right, and what isremaining are the people with
these radical beliefs, whereasit seems like, if we have these
beliefs and it comes to thevoters, that perhaps you know we
need to have people fight forthis state rather than just
(37:18):
abandoning it and giving upbecause of the radical what I
would consider some radicalpolicies that we've seen.
Do you have faith, topo, thatwe can get back to some common
sense, whether it comes to baillaw and order humanity as a
whole?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I do.
And, pat, I just want to thankyou.
As I told you earlier when wewere talking, you know you're a
man of great conviction.
You've been a victim of a crimeand I remember about your son,
timmy, and I remember that wholestory and I'm sorry I brought
that up as an example.
People trust you.
(38:05):
If you said to go to HigginsFreeze over on Walnut, they got
the best camera in town.
People would be there.
I go to Stones because of you,and where I'm going with this is
that you have the ability, justlike Charlie Kirk did.
You have the ability to talk topeople, and you may not agree
with them, but to have a goodconversation with them, to have
a good debate and a guy like youI know will do and say the
(38:28):
right thing may change youropinion If somebody comes to you
.
That's what makes you so good.
So, pat, I ain't leaving.
I ain't going to Tennessee, Iain't going to Idaho, I ain't
going anywhere.
I am going to stay inCalifornia.
I'm going to fight the fight,I'm going to fight for
California and I don't want I'mnot trying to say I want
(38:48):
California to become 90%Republican, but what I am saying
to the people out there on theother side of the aisle.
You need to stop worrying and Ihate to say this, don't be a
one-topic voter.
What's that person's view onabortion?
What's their view on thissubject?
Or what's their view on schools?
And I'm a teacher, so the CTAsays we should vote for this
(39:12):
person.
And my daughter's a teacher andboy.
I'll tell you.
The stories I hear of whatthese teachers have to teach
disgust me.
So back to this.
I'm not leaving, I'm going tostay here and fight the fight.
You know, just the other day, ifI may, we lost a great, great
man this country did, and SamParedes.
(39:33):
He was the president andexecutive directors of gun
owners in California and Sam andI worked tirelessly together
defending the Second Amendment,but more defending our liberties
.
And Sam and I worked tirelesslytogether defending the Second
Amendment, but more defendingour liberties.
And Sam and I talked a lotabout the fact that we're not
leaving.
I said, brother, we're notleaving, we're going to fight
this fight and we're going tocontinue to fight the fight.
(39:54):
And Sam tragically passed awaythe other day but, as I said to
his wife and his family, and Isay it, this is this, is it.
We're going to carry on Sam'sfight.
Um, I'm not leaving California,you're not leaving California,
we're going to keep fighting andwe are going to turn California
around.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm very sorry for that.
Um, I appreciate your timetoday.
Topo, if you would do me onefavor and say hello to your
father for me.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
He's right here, he can say hello to you oh my gosh
Really.
Yeah, he's sitting right here.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Thank you, Pap.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Greg.
Thank you very much, greg.
Thank you, you know.
I know that because Topo hastold me many times that you're a
listener to my show and italways makes me.
I'm always so proud of thatBecause I have always respected
you, sir, and appreciated whatyou've done for the community,
and it's an honor that youlisten to my show.
(40:53):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Hey, Pat, do you remember the time you called me
to come on here to talk aboutsomething I can't remember what
it was and my dad, somehow oranother, you got a hold of them
and they got a hold of my dad.
I was umpiring a collegebaseball game and my dad comes
to the backstop.
I'm umpiring behind the plate.
He says, hey, Pat wants to talkto you.
I said, dad, you're going tohave to do it and you did the
(41:18):
interview with him.
That's something I really trulyhave never forgotten.
I remember that.
I remember that.
Yeah, I remember.
I do remember that.
Yeah, oh, boy.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Well again, man, I appreciate your time and my
heart goes out to Charlie Kirk'swife, his two beautiful
children, his parents, all theirparents, their family, and to
this country and to thisbeautiful Ukrainian woman.
(41:52):
What a path to watch that.
It actually makes me sick.
I can barely watch it anymore.
And if I can't say this and Ihave it written down here Daniel
Penny.
Daniel Penny is the reason somepeople just sat there.
Daniel Penny was charged andthey tried to convict that man
for stopping a perpetrator thatcould have done what this guy
(42:14):
did on this train in Charlotte,that's right Yep and Daniel
Penny is on people's minds andif someone wants to tell me
differently.
They're wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
As I recall too, I was so upset by that as well.
Gosh, we were ending it on sucha nice note, we were going such
down this nice little lane.
No, no, no, I was so upsetbecause that's what came to my
mind instantly.
So let me get this straight.
So there's going to bedemonstrations, there's going to
be constant news coverage whenthis man does what he did to
(42:44):
probably and possibly at least,save someone on a train, and
we're going to scrutinize him.
But yet, when this happens,where is Al Sharpton?
You know what I mean?
Where are these so-calledsocial equity?
Where are these leaders,so-called leaders?
You know what?
They're not leaders, and that'swhy they're not there, because,
(43:06):
well, we all know the reasonand I'm not going to get into
that.
I'm going to end it on a nicenote and say thank you to you
and your father, you bet, andfor what you guys are doing, and
I appreciate you.
We only mentioned the businessonce.
I would do it again, but I'mnot going to do that.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Topo doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
We know it's not the purpose of this today, all right
, and on this day, let us notforget this is.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
September 11th.
And Pat, if I could say my dadjust said it life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yes, that's all I'm going to say yes.
And when we see thesedemonstrations and when we see
what happened with Charlieyesterday, what we've seen, you
know, I want to make it a pointand I'm going to really stress
this on my show tonight.
Let's go back to September 10th.
Things changed on the 11th, onthe 12th.
What happened on the 12th?
That was when we were allmourning and right after that we
(44:00):
were all driving around as one,a united country.
We had each other's backs.
We put flag magnets on ourtrucks, we did a human flag of
hundreds of people out at CalExpo, of all races, of all you
know.
It didn't matter man, woman,gender, didn't matter pronouns,
(44:20):
nothing mattered.
It just mattered that we showedrespect and love for this
country and that lasted a while.
I'm just hoping that time and,quite frankly, media has not
eroded that away.
Topo, thank you for your timetoday and I appreciate you being
on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Got it.
God bless you, my friend, allright.
Welcome back to the Pats Peeps podcast.
This is what number.
329.
329 podcasts and today is aThursday.
It's 9-11.
You know, anytime I say thatnow I could have said September
(00:36):
11th, it is September 11th.
It's a beautiful day as I lookout my studio windows into the
foothills of Northern California.
A gorgeous day.
The sun is out, but it is niceand cool, it's just.
You could not ask for betterweather.
But again, this is 9-11,september 11th, and, of course,
this is a day that, for many ofus, we will never forget this
(01:01):
day, never, ever forget this day, never forget this day, never,
ever forget this day.
And as the host of the PatWalsh Show, as heard on KFPK
Radio in Sacramento, 7 to 10 pm,monday through Friday, 93.1 FM,
1530 am, we will talk aboutthat on tonight's show because
we will not forget.
(01:21):
As I said, there's a lot ofthings that have been on my mind
lately, of course, on all ofour minds collectively.
One of them is the Charlie Kirkmurder by some coward, which
occurred yesterday, and you knowit was interesting because it
happened right after I finishedmy podcast.
(01:42):
I was in such a good mood.
Pat's Peep 328.
I'm rolling along having agreat time, and then I finish up
and then I start getting thesemessages.
I mean I was shocked and when Igot the messages and I was
blown away, I already hadsomething else on my mind that
really had me upset.
(02:03):
Else on my mind that really hadme upset, really had me upset.
But then, because of whathappened with Charlie Kirk, that
went to the back burner andit's something that, in my
opinion, it was already on theback burner, whether or not
Charlie Kirk had been murderedby a coward yesterday or not.
And that is another murder.
(02:26):
And you know me, on my podcastand on my show I try to keep it
light, but I got to speak withmy mind and sometimes I get
extremely agitated, veryfrustrated, very sad and in the
case of this scum murdering thisyoung woman who came to the
United States trying to escapewar with their family and simply
(02:50):
, in a beautiful state of NorthCarolina, gets on this public
transportation and the nextthing you know, she's murdered
by this dude who should havenever been I'm pretty fired up
about this who should have neverbeen on that public
transportation.
Meanwhile, other people on thetrain are sitting and pretty
(03:13):
much ignoring what's going on,which, of course, the man has a
knife, but I don't know ifanything more plays in that I
don't know.
But the point of it is this guyshould have been incarcerated
and I wanted to bring in TopoPadilla, who was a friend of
mine and it's been on my showmany times.
(03:33):
I just had to clear the deckswith my own thoughts Topo, greg
Padilla, bailabons and Topo.
Like I said, it's been on myshow many times and I'm grateful
to have you on today, topo, totalk about my concerns and
america's concerns about someonewho should have been locked up
but because of and you, you canget into this the no bail system
.
I mean the no cash bail system.
(03:53):
Let's, let's start right whereyou want to start as a guy who
is a professional in this, inthis business well.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Thank you, pat.
It's great to be on here.
It's sad that we have to talkabout many of the subjects that
you cover, and you cover anarray of subjects, from happy
ones to what makes this countrygreat, to tragedies like this
and the tragedy that occurredyesterday.
You know where I come in on allthis and I just finished
(04:21):
serving a two-year term as thepresident of the Professional
Bail Agents of the United States, representing bail agents
across the country, and I hate,when a tragedy that happened to
Irina happened in North Carolina, to have to talk about my
business, because the last thingI want to do is promote what I
(04:44):
do for a living and in the wakeof that.
But I have to tell you I'm done, I'm tired and I've been
standing up for our profession.
I've been doing this for 42years and I've been standing up
for our profession.
We're not an industry.
We don't make license plates orlight bulbs and what.
What we do and I'll say it verysimply, as bail bondsmen, is to
(05:09):
hold people accountable, to goto court and then to be held
accountable by the justicesystem, whether they're guilty
or innocent.
That's for you know the topicdown the conversation and here a
little bit later, but right nowit's about accountability, and
that's what we do in ourprofession.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And I want to re, I want to uh, just kind of
interject right there and andabsolutely back up exactly what
you said.
It never even occurred to meuntil literally this second, and
that's why, um, you know,that's why, um, you, you have
integrity.
People respect you.
You know, I didn't even thinkabout promoting your business.
My only reason for this call totalk to you is because I too,
(05:51):
just like you said, you've hadenough.
You're fed up seeing someonelike this who has been released,
signing a form or whatever, andthey're giving them the easy
way out.
There seems to be noaccountability, and that is why
I'm bringing Topo in here, andthat's the only reason we didn't
even have to mention yourbusiness.
(06:11):
We could have just given yourbackground and I would have been
fine with that, because you arean expert in this business and
there's a lot of people who arevery critical over this.
No, cash bail.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt you, but I just wanted
to interject that and it'sfunny.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You just said something that's at the top of
my notes.
You know, when the president acouple weeks ago, uh, brought up
the, the whole notion of youknow washington dc and the crime
that occurs and the danger inthat city and and they said they
are going to.
You know, a lot of the blamelies on cashless bail and people
kind of look at that.
(06:45):
It's like my dad said thismorning and my dad's sitting
here listening to you, greg, andyou know he says all the time
he says I, a majority of people,don't even know what bail bond
is.
And there was a gentleman inthe car with us he says hell,
I've known you for 30 years.
I really don't understand howit works.
So I want to say this when thepresident used the term cashless
bail, most people think whatdoes that mean?
(07:06):
Well, that's like saying if wedid and we have to have car
insurance and we didn't have topay for it we could just sign a
form and an insurance policy tothe court that guarantees a
person's appearance in court andthere's a cost to that.
(07:35):
There's an insurance premiumcost to that.
We're regulated by theCalifornia Department of
Insurance and across the countrybail agents are regulated by
their states in some way or formor another.
And you know what?
Again, what we do is theaccountability.
And what we're going to get into, I know, is about this guy, but
I was on the phone the otherday with one of the president's
(07:57):
advisors and I was saying, hey,what are the chances of you
getting to the president andasking him to stop saying
cashless bail, because it'sreally not a term that really
means anything?
And he laughed at me.
He says, once the presidentgets set and what he's saying
and how he's saying it, you'renot going to change his mind.
(08:17):
So I will respectfully go alongwith this term cashless bail.
But what it is, pat, it'ssecured bail or unsecured bail.
Unsecured bail is when somebodyjust signs a form, says I
promise I'll be back for court.
Secured bail is where we as bailbondsmen or somebody, can put
up the full amount of cash tothe court and that bond is
(08:40):
secured that they will appear incourt.
So I tried to get him to usethe word secure bail.
They told me that's just notgoing to happen.
Let's just stick with what he'ssaying and I'm not trying to
make light of it.
But cashless bail is what it is.
He, that man and our attorneygeneral, pam Bondi, has a very,
very, very good understanding ofbail and bail bonds.
(09:02):
And I'll just say one morething, not to go on too long.
If you remember, when thepresident and 18 other people
were arrested in the Georgiacase, all 18 of those people had
to post bail bonds and allthose bail bonds were posted
through a friend of mine.
He posted all of them, but theyall had to post bail bonds,
including President Donald Trumpwow, talking with Topo Padilla,
(09:27):
you know it's's, it'sinteresting, so let me get this
straight.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So the unsecured would be here.
Is your hold on hold on asecond.
Mr criminal, we've got thisform for you.
Can you just sign right hereand promise us that you'll be
back and that you'll whatever,whatever, what do they got to
pay, or whatever?
They'd be back or followthrough with?
You can explain that.
But it's interesting becauseI'm thinking, yeah, certainly
(09:56):
the one person you do want totrust is a criminal who has a
past, a checkered past, ofcommitting crimes.
So let's go ahead and have himsign or sign this paper, and
we'll just go ahead and trustthat the criminal will come
through the way they're supposedto.
Isn't that kind of hard tobelieve, topo?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It is and you're going to hear something out of
my mouth right now that I trulyand firmly believe in.
I believe in obviously, ourConstitution and the United
States Constitution, as well asthe California Constitution,
recognize and understand securedbail.
It's called under the term ofsufficient surety and Pat.
I do believe that when peopleare arrested, they become a
(10:35):
defendant in a courtroom and Ido believe in bail.
I do believe people have theright to bail out of jail
because I don't think we need tokeep everybody in jail pending
their trial or the adjudicationof their case.
So I do believe in bail.
I don't believe in bail becausethat's what I do for a living.
I believe in bail because Ibelieve that our criminal
justice system needs to work.
(10:57):
The courts are not going to sitthere and trust everybody to
come back to court becausethey've signed a piece of paper.
However, we have had a movementover the last decade probably
for the last 15 years toeliminate bail bonds, because
they say it is not fair thatpeople should have to pay to get
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out of jail, that it benefitsrich people because rich people
can pay and poor people can't.
Well then, why don't we havefree car insurance for poor
people.
Why don't we have free healthinsurance for poor people?
Why don't we have well, we dohave free health insurance for
poor people.
So I won't go there and I'm nottrying to get you know,
segregate people.
What I'm saying is that ifpeople get arrested, and not
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everybody should have to bailout of jail.
There's some people that I'mcertain if they sign a piece of
paper they'll go to court, butit has been proven that in fact,
the failure to appear right bysomebody on an unsecured bond, a
promise to appear, signing thatpiece of paper, the chances of
them showing up for court isenormously less than it would be
if somebody had a bail bond, umand through a bail bondsman and
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or put up the full amount ofthe bail well, that's a known
fact.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
One of the things that I think of in many
instances and correct me if I'mwrong on any of this, I'm
certainly no expert, as we'retalking to Topo Padilla is you
know, if there's bail maybe I'mthinking about this wrong Topo,
but like, let's say so, you're acriminal, you commit a crime.
Now you need to be bailed out.
(12:25):
So in many cases I wouldimagine, maybe they don't have
the money to do that.
Maybe they're reaching out to afriend, maybe they're reaching
out to a family member, maybethey had a family member even
mortgage their home.
You never know to try to bailthese people out, right?
So now there's not onlyaccountability for the people
who are going to be into thecourtroom, but there's also
accountability and again, nowmaybe I'm ruining my own
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argument that you're going totrust a criminal but maybe
somewhere deep inside some ofthese people who commit these
crimes, perhaps there is a,shall we say, a loyalty to their
family.
They don't want their family,who went out of their way, to
put something up to get thisbail done, for them to lose out,
(13:09):
right?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I got to tell you, as I've known about you, you're a
very, very smart man.
You just nailed it right squarein the forehead.
I have it written in my notes.
It's not that I need it writtendown, but when we bail people
out of jail, about 95% of thetime we bail them out with a
cosigner and dividend.
Everybody knows what a cosigneris.
You need a cosigner and a loanand what it is, it's usually the
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family.
You know whether it's mom, dad,brother, sister, aunt, uncle
and or a friend.
And you're correct, we build abond with those people, and I'm
not trying to play funny withwords, but we truly build a bond
with them.
And I have to tell you, a whileback I had a father said you
know, I don't want my son injail, but if he gets out of jail
I am afraid he's going to bedead within a matter of days
(13:58):
because he had such a badfentanyl problem.
So the dad said let's let himgo to court.
I want him to clean out andsober up for a few days.
And I said you got it, sir.
I honor you.
I will not bail him out.
And we didn't bail him out.
Well, he got ahold of some ofhis friends.
Of course, his friends bailedhim out, they bailed him out and
the young man ended up deaddays later.
(14:20):
I say that not to shock value,but the reality is these family
members and friends, they knowdeep down inside what the person
and I don't call them criminalsor I call them people that have
been arrested, and I'm nottrying to get all you know easy
on the whole situation whenpeople have been arrested, we
will turn around and many timesfamily members will say, nah,
(14:41):
he's all messed up, I'm notgoing to bail him out of jail, I
don't think he'll go to court,I don't want to lose the money.
Or they'll tell us hey, let'sbail them out, we'll make them
go to court.
And these people you're right,so you nailed it on the head
People who bail out are thengoing to go.
Yeah, my mom, dad, brother,sister, aunt, uncle, friend is
(15:02):
on the hook and their activitiesdo change, and I've been doing
this for 42 years.
I can attest to that theyfactually do change and they
behave better than they did ifthey just signed a piece of
paper.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Whereas some people may not have the right values
and morals and commit thesecrimes, but there's still
something within them that saysyou know what this is my family
and I kind of need to be loyalto them, even though I have a
criminal past.
And you know, when you'retalking about that, about that
(15:38):
Topo, you know it rings true forme as this March you know, my
son Timothy I've never been injail my entire life and my son
Timothy, from the time he was ayoung man, he was in jail, in
juvenile hall, always had issues.
He had been bailed out or notbailed out, I can't.
I don't know the exactcircumstance.
All I know is that he was out,he was with some of these
friends who were very badinfluence and he passed away
(15:58):
from fentanyl you just talkedabout that.
So I lost my son on march 2ndfrom that for that exact reason
as we're talking about again.
The reason that I have TopoPadilla on here is not so much
to let's talk about and debatethe virtues, necessarily, but
yes, partially of this systemwe're talking about, but let's
(16:22):
get to the root of this.
So, topo, the thing that reallyjust has my ire and I just I'm
sickened by it is this younglady you know.
Again, to repeat what I said atthe beginning, you know she
comes to um, to America, to livea better life, to escape war.
You know she's Ukrainianrefugee.
She's on this commuter trainand this, this, this guy, just
(16:47):
for no reason stands up andstabs her to death.
This suspect, 34 years old,he'd served time in prison.
You know the story.
Everyone probably knows this.
I'm not shedding any new lighton this.
Briefly committed forschizophrenia, arrested earlier
in the year, reportedly calling911 from a hospital.
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This girl came to the UnitedStates, as I said, to escape the
war in Ukraine, and so this isall caught on camera.
Then you have these people onTV Vance Jones or whatever his
name is, van Jones or whatever.
Well, you proved to me thatthis was a racist thing, and
this is for me as a talk show.
It's not so much for you as abail agent.
(17:29):
I'm sorry I forgot that termwrong.
I apologize if I did get thatwrong no, that's right, but but
you know, um, I'm just, I'm soirate about this because, you
know, the guy says I got thatwhite girl and you got people.
Well, how is this raciallymotivated?
But that's beside the point.
The point is, this is a guy whoyou can fill this in a little
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better on this.
He signed that memo you weretalking about yeah, I promise
I'll do, and he didn't.
And and here's a guy out on thestreets who should have most
people, I believe, feel thatthis guy did not, was not
accountable for previous crimesand shouldn't have even been on
that train.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's, that's now.
Let's get to this.
You're right, this, this case,is a real, real tragedy, and I
have to tell you it all startswith the voters.
Yes, we can blame this judge.
Some want to blame the districtattorneys the DA won't
prosecute the D and then, andthen they want to blame the cops
.
Well, let me tell you the rulesof the game and I hate to use
(18:36):
the word game, the criminaljustice system game are made by
our legislators.
That's who makes the rules?
The cops, the districtattorneys and the judges have to
play by these rules, just likein a baseball game.
There's nine innings and threeouts, right, they have to play
by these rules.
Das I know a lot of DAs, as youcan probably imagine, and
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they're sickened by the rulesthat they have to play by
because they're like that is.
It's not all about sendingeverybody to prison, pat.
It's about changing people'sbehavior.
And to change some people'sbehavior, prison is the answer.
But the other day I was talkingto Steve Hilton.
I had a really, really nicemeeting and he said Topo, what
(19:22):
do you think California needs todo to deal with our prison
problem?
I says I have the answer foryou, steve.
That is to start educating andcurbing these people's behavior
at the county jail level.
And he looked at me.
He goes well, how could I, as agovernor, curb people's
behavior in county jail?
(19:42):
I said it's real easy and I'mgoing to go way back to AB 109,
when they defunded and theystarted sending people instead
of prison to county jails.
We have done nothing to changepeople's behavior when they're
in our county jail.
When I mean change yourbehavior.
If they have a theft problem,let's fix that.
If they have a drug problem,let's fix that.
(20:03):
If they have a mental healthproblem, let's fix that.
But what they did is theypassed this AB 109.
We're going to save hundreds ofmillions of dollars.
They didn't give these sheriffsthe money that they needed to
change people's behavior.
So back to this tragedy in northcarolina, this murder I don't
call him a suspect this murderyes, he did, yes, he, he flat
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out stood up for no provokedreason at all, nothing.
This poor young lady wassitting there looking down and
he brutally stabbed her rightover the right shoulder and he
should not have been there,because 14 times the system had
him and they did nothing,nothing, nothing, nothing to
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change his behavior.
Now that's most likely becauseof the rules.
The legislature said oh, goingback to what I say in the
beginning of this, it comes backto the voters, the voters, the
voters vote these legislators.
In that I'm just looking atsome bills.
As you may or may not know, I amnot, I didn't tell you yet, but
I'm the president of crimevictims united.
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And people say topa, how canyou be the president of Crime
Victims United?
You're bail bonds, you getthese bad guys out of jail.
I said no, no, no.
Number one, I get people out ofjail, but number two, I hold
them accountable to go to courtso that a victim of a crime can
have justice be served.
(21:30):
And so, digressing back to thismurderer, he probably he never
should have been on that trainbecause he should have been held
accountable and if he wasproperly held accountable, he
would have probably still beenin jail and or prison.
But their systems are so easy.
Back there, or some and I hateto use the word liberal back
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there, or some and I hate to usethe word liberal progressive
judge just says well, let's givehim another chance and another
chance and another chance.
And the blood of that beautifulyoung lady does in fact fall on
the voters and the judge, whocould have very well said no,
you're not leaving white, you'renot leaving custody.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So padilla joining us .
You're not leaving white,you're not leaving custody.
Topo Padilla joining us.
You're absolutely right, god.
There's so many, so many thingsI want to say about that.
You are, you are so right whenit comes to the voters, and the
thing that is scary to me aboutvoters these days, topo, is the
fact that we've it's almost likesports, like we've chosen a
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team.
Our team can do no wrong, yourteam can do no right.
There is no middle ground here.
So when you have voters soentrenched in these beliefs, it
doesn't matter what they see, itdoesn't matter what the facts
are.
They're going to say well, youknow, they're always going to
have an excuse.
You know court records andgoing.
But to what you're talking aboutand I'm not even going to
(22:50):
mention this suspect's namebecause I don't even want to I
don't care about this guygetting any attention other than
being in prison.
He has charges ranging frommaking threats, you know, and
then you had things likeshoplifting.
You have felony larceny andother crimes going back to 2011.
(23:10):
Topo, here's one thing that, assomeone who does not know a
damn thing about these things, Iwant to ask you this question.
Okay, because I think there's alot of people who have the same
curiosity about this as I'mreading these litany of charges,
and all you have to do is watchYouTube, okay, watch YouTube.
(23:31):
Watch people who are completelyout of hand committing crime
after crime and you're justdespicable.
And at the end of it and I'llread the end of this, this is
what I will hear many times.
This is what I will read manytimes Many of these charges have
been dismissed.
Topo talk about being dismissed.
(23:54):
How can the average person melook at a crime, see the crime?
Okay, and now here, after youwatch a 10-minute video of this
15-minute video, you're likewell, and then they say, oh, by
the way, many of these chargeswere dismissed.
Well, how are they beingdismissed?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh my gosh, this, this is a, this is a.
An hour on Sunday.
I'm going to hone down to avery finite Cause.
I you asking this right nowRings so true, and I I faced
this as the again the presidentof our state association, which
I served for over a decade.
I am going to tell you ourcriminal justice system in
(24:36):
California I'm just going tofocus on California right now.
When you have Prop 47,proposition 47, which was one of
the biggest schemes and scamspulled by Governor Jerry Brown
on the California voters safeneighborhoods and safe schools
which had nothing, nothing to dowith safe neighborhoods and
safe schools and which hadnothing, nothing to do with safe
neighborhoods or schools oranything.
What it had to do is theywanted to change the number of
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people that were serving time inour jails because they wanted
to show that crime is down inCalifornia, because that looks
good on your record, look as thegovernor crime's down.
Well, in baseball, if I want tochange batting averages, all
I've got to do is give a batterfive strikes instead of three
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and we will have the battingaverages climb.
You just change the rules.
What a stupid way to treat thegame.
Well, what a stupid way totreat public safety, our
criminal justice system, but notenough voters.
It comes back to the voters.
Not enough voters were educated.
They just see this shinyfishing lure on TV commercial
(25:42):
that says safe schools, safeneighborhoods.
Well, I'm going to vote yes.
And Jerry Brown?
He's a Democrat and I'm aDemocrat and I hate back then it
wasn't Donald Trump, but I hatewhoever it is in the Republican
Party.
So I'm going to vote for thisbecause Jerry Brown is pushing
it.
And so, digressing back tocharges being dismissed or no
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charges filed.
That comes from a couplereasons.
Number one, again, the rules ofthe game.
We've changed many of thesecharges to wobblers, and what a
wobbler is is a judge could turnaround and a da could turn
around and file it as a felonyor a misdemeanor.
Well then they change it.
Well, no, these are allmisdemeanors.
And then these da's and and I'mnow I'm going to go to bat for
(26:22):
the da's these districtattorneys offices are so
understaffed, are sounderstaffed, understaffed, they
can't handle the workload thatis being put on their desk every
day.
And that is not their fault,that is the fault of the.
You know the budgets we givethem because you know I hate to
put you know, the SacramentoCounty Board of Supervisors in
(26:45):
place.
But if they wanted safercommunities, they would vote for
more funding for our DA'soffice so that these people can
handle the case.
They can handle the case load.
But these DAs, they go to workin the district attorney's
office.
They are so overworked becauseof their workload because they
don't have enough people therethat they have to.
They have to dismiss thesecurrent cases.
(27:07):
They have to end CF for nocharges filed and then it looks
as though this guy doesn't havea criminal record.
So it was a long answer to yourvery, very poignant question.
That's why so many of thesecases are never filed against.
Then it looks like that no goodmurderer was a good guy.
Well, he had 14 arrests butmany of his cases were not filed
(27:29):
on her, or no charges werefiled or the case was dropped as
though he was innocent.
No, the district attorneysdon't have the bandwidth to file
on him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Wow, so they just dismiss this.
So when they casually make thestatement, by the way, charges
were dismissed.
Those of us who are, that isjust in, that's incredible topa.
That is an increase.
So there, that is an incredibleum reason for that.
You know, let me ask you thistoo, because it is of a concern
(28:03):
of mine and I don't know if, uh,how, this weighs into this.
You know, we have all of thiscrime.
We we're taking it easy oncrime.
My gosh, we'll just dismissthis.
You just mentioned Prop 47.
You steal whatever you feellike.
I just saw a video where a guygot punched and his equipment
was bashed and there was apoliceman right there who
wouldn't do anything inCalifornia.
(28:24):
He just said, well, well, no,the police was just coming up.
He didn't see it.
But the guy in the video showshim the video.
He's like well, you know, Iwasn't here when it happened.
What can I do?
Oh, your camera, your $400camera that he just smashed.
Yeah, well, we can't doanything.
It's only $400, which is asickening.
Now, does defunding police haveanything?
(28:44):
Are we seeing an effect?
Is Sacramento is?
How is California dealing withthis?
Defunding the police?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
at the same time, we're being soft on crime.
Well, I know that one.
That's another great questionand it's something I feel expert
enough to answer.
When you look at our sheriffs,there's 58 sheriffs in the
Fifty-five of them, 54 of themare rock-solid crime-fighting
public safety.
Let's go get them.
(29:15):
Let's clean up our streets.
And we look at our sheriff here, jim Cooper.
Sheriff Jim Cooper, who's madehis rounds from being a deputy
sheriff to a spokesman, to acaptain to the assembly and now
back as our sheriff.
That man ain't taking nothinglightly.
You look at the billboardsaround this town.
He is warning, he is absolutelywarning people, we're coming
(29:38):
after you, and he is doing onehell of a job.
I really have to give it to him.
And then you look at all theother sheriffs and I was just at
the state sheriff's conventionthe other day.
We have some great men andwomen throughout this state
sheriffs that are out herefighting crime, and they're
doing a great job.
Now then let's go to the cities.
You have the cities.
Let's look at our great, greatpolice chief here in Sacramento.
(30:01):
Kathy Lester, a wonderful,wonderful cop, came up through
the ranks, started as a CSO.
She is a wonderful chief.
But what happens, pat, and whyso many of these cities have all
these crimes, and why Chicagodoes, why Washington DC does,
why Detroit, michigan does, andwhy so many cities across the
(30:21):
thing is because you have thecity council and the city
managers that have the bit inthe mouth of the police chief
and they tell them this is howyou will go fight crime.
You will do this, you will notdo that.
And I'm going to tell you, ifChief Lester had it her way,
these city streets would be ahell of a lot cleaner than they
(30:43):
are.
She's done a great job, believeme.
I have to give it to KevinMcCarty.
He's really surprising me inhis pro go get him and clean up
our streets attitude.
But it comes down to these, theway, these police chiefs and
the police officers.
So back to that police officer.
You said well, I can't doanything.
I'm going to tell you thatcomes from that man, probably
not wanting to lose his pensionbecause somebody.
(31:06):
He arrested somebody and he putthe handcuffs on too tight.
He did this, he did that, heviolated the rights.
These cops are running, scared.
And there's another subject ofthe the, the immunity that these
cops can now be sued.
These cops are running.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yes, there's again another subject, but they're
running scared which is why Ihave a friend, who I will not
mention his name, who was acaptain.
He says that's it for me.
I'm going to retire.
I love my job but I'm going toretire.
That's why recruitment theyhave a tough time recruiting
people because they're undersuch scrutiny.
Let me ask you first of all.
(31:42):
I think the most important pointthat Topo has made here and you
made a lot of great pointstalking to Topo Padilla is that
it comes down to the voters.
You're absolutely right andI've said that before on my show
, I've said it before on thepodcast, and I don't want to
reiterate what I just and repeatwhat I just got through saying
about we picked a team, but whatTopo was saying is so true.
(32:05):
Listen, if you want things tochange, if you're just going to
blindly go along with everything, you really need to do some
research and you need to checkthat, because you know I lean
more conservative.
If I see a good plan by someonewho perhaps is more liberal, a
Democrat, and I see this and Isay, well, look at this, this
actually works, I'm open-mindedenough to not argue about every
(32:29):
damn thing, okay, we need tokeep an open mind, and that
comes to gerrymandering.
It comes to all of these topics.
Okay, we need to keep an openmind, but it does come down to
the voters.
It comes down to if you're justgoing to pick a team and
blindly vote, you're not doinganyone any good.
Do your research, do a littlebit.
Don't walk into a booth and gothis.
(32:53):
Good for schools which, as topopointed out, had nothing.
Prop 47 nothing.
How did that benefit schools inany way?
What it did?
Is it benefited criminals?
That's what it did, and itruined businesses who can no
longer stay in business in thestate because they're sick and
tired of being rammed.
You know, you know peoplecoming in with these smashing
grabs.
You have hagenberger.
(33:14):
Actually you got the in and outburger.
It's closing down.
Oh, but that's racist.
Why?
Because people are beingattacked all the time.
How is that so?
Anyhow, do you have faith?
Go ahead, topo, if you want toreact.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I want to say something on that note and I and
I hate to single this lady out,I really do, but it just goes
to show you, doris Matsui,congresswoman.
Doris Matsui, god bless, herhusband was a really, really
good man, congressman RobertMatsui.
She's still in office.
He passed away.
God rest his soul.
She's still in office.
(33:47):
Why is she still in office?
What is she doing?
Well, she's in office becauseof the.
You know that district favors aDemocrat and her name is so well
known they keep picking her.
There's a lot of other peoplethat have ran for that seat that
have the ability to get outthere and really and truly go
and do a job.
And again, this is not pickingon Doris Matsu, but that's just
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one thing I got to tell you KenCooley, our assemblyman, ken
Cooley, he was my assemblymanhere where I live, a great man,
a Democrat.
I supported him.
I really, really appreciatedwhat that man did, because I
couldn't tell if he was aDemocrat or Republican.
Many times he did what wasright.
Well, when Josh Hoover wasrunning against him, I said well
(34:29):
, you know, I met Josh Hoover,nice guy, really nice guy,
really liked him.
But you know, josh doesn'tstand a chance and the voters,
they spoke differently and JoshHoover won.
Now Josh Hoover is doing anexcellent job, he's a great
assemblyman.
He is going to be a force to bereckoned with down at that
Capitol.
But there's where the voterssaid you know, unfortunately, mr
(34:52):
Kulik, because he is a greatman, you're out and this new guy
is in, and this new guy is allfocused on public safety.
I think is one of his numberone things.
So, anyway, to answer inresponse to that, that's what
more voters need to do.
We need to stop.
You know Garamendi down there.
I mean, he's been in office.
He's in office for the paycheck.
(35:13):
What is he doing?
He's been in a lifetime ofservice.
We have to start getting peoplein there.
They're going to make adifference.
And public safety if somebodywants to tell me differently,
please do.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Public safety should be number one on everybody's
mind, because if we've got asafe community, we've got a
great community and we've got agreat state and we've got a
great country, which we doBecause the great majority of
the United States of Americadoesn't do business like the
state of California one, uh, onefinal thing, as we're talking
(35:50):
to Topo Padilla, it, it, it wasa very interesting way that I
think it was Tim and Fair Oakscalled my show a couple of
nights ago and I thought hereally summed it up very nicely
we, somehow it came up aboutthis gerrymandering in the in,
in this and um, and then I madea statement and I I honestly,
(36:12):
was just trying to be a goofballa little bit, I was just being
facetious a little bit, a littlebit.
But there's part of me, thatpart of me that was like kind of
being real.
You know, if I'm living,suddenly, if I go from placer
county, which is, uh, you know,I, I like my representatives in
placer county, suddenly, if I'mnot represented by you know, um,
(36:33):
what I'm used to here in placerguy, I said, well, that's it
for me, I'm done with this place, being again somewhat facetious
.
But tim says you know what, pat, here's the problem, and I
agree with him.
You know, you don't abandon thebeachhead, right.
So to me I think of the peoplethat have ruined this state
through their policies.
It's almost as if they want tosift the people they don't want
(36:56):
to be in the state through thelittle sifter, get them out of
here, all right, and what isremaining are the people with
these radical beliefs, whereasit seems like, if we have these
beliefs and it comes to thevoters, that perhaps you know we
need to have people fight forthis state rather than just
(37:18):
abandoning it and giving upbecause of the radical what I
would consider some radicalpolicies that we've seen.
Do you have faith, topo, thatwe can get back to some common
sense, whether it comes to baillaw and order humanity as a
whole?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I do.
And, pat, I just want to thankyou.
As I told you earlier when wewere talking, you know you're a
man of great conviction.
You've been a victim of a crimeand I remember about your son,
timmy, and I remember that wholestory and I'm sorry I brought
that up as an example.
People trust you.
(38:05):
If you said to go to HigginsFreeze over on Walnut, they got
the best camera in town.
People would be there.
I go to Stones because of you,and where I'm going with this is
that you have the ability, justlike Charlie Kirk did.
You have the ability to talk topeople, and you may not agree
with them, but to have a goodconversation with them, to have
a good debate and a guy like youI know will do and say the
(38:28):
right thing may change youropinion If somebody comes to you
.
That's what makes you so good.
So, pat, I ain't leaving.
I ain't going to Tennessee, Iain't going to Idaho, I ain't
going anywhere.
I am going to stay inCalifornia.
I'm going to fight the fight,I'm going to fight for
California and I don't want I'mnot trying to say I want
(38:48):
California to become 90%Republican, but what I am saying
to the people out there on theother side of the aisle.
You need to stop worrying and Ihate to say this, don't be a
one-topic voter.
What's that person's view onabortion?
What's their view on thissubject?
Or what's their view on schools?
And I'm a teacher, so the CTAsays we should vote for this
(39:12):
person.
And my daughter's a teacher andboy.
I'll tell you.
The stories I hear of whatthese teachers have to teach
disgust me.
So back to this.
I'm not leaving, I'm going tostay here and fight the fight.
You know, just the other day, ifI may, we lost a great, great
man this country did, and SamParedes.
(39:33):
He was the president andexecutive directors of gun
owners in California and Sam andI worked tirelessly together
defending the Second Amendment,but more defending our liberties
.
And Sam and I worked tirelesslytogether defending the Second
Amendment, but more defendingour liberties.
And Sam and I talked a lotabout the fact that we're not
leaving.
I said, brother, we're notleaving, we're going to fight
this fight and we're going tocontinue to fight the fight.
(39:54):
And Sam tragically passed awaythe other day but, as I said to
his wife and his family, and Isay it, this is this, is it.
We're going to carry on Sam'sfight.
Um, I'm not leaving California,you're not leaving California,
we're going to keep fighting andwe are going to turn California
around.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm very sorry for that.
Um, I appreciate your timetoday.
Topo, if you would do me onefavor and say hello to your
father for me.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
He's right here, he can say hello to you oh my gosh
Really.
Yeah, he's sitting right here.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Thank you, Pap.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Greg.
Thank you very much, greg.
Thank you, you know.
I know that because Topo hastold me many times that you're a
listener to my show and italways makes me.
I'm always so proud of thatBecause I have always respected
you, sir, and appreciated whatyou've done for the community,
and it's an honor that youlisten to my show.
(40:53):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Hey, Pat, do you remember the time you called me
to come on here to talk aboutsomething I can't remember what
it was and my dad, somehow oranother, you got a hold of them
and they got a hold of my dad.
I was umpiring a collegebaseball game and my dad comes
to the backstop.
I'm umpiring behind the plate.
He says, hey, Pat wants to talkto you.
I said, dad, you're going tohave to do it and you did the
(41:18):
interview with him.
That's something I really trulyhave never forgotten.
I remember that.
I remember that.
Yeah, I remember.
I do remember that.
Yeah, oh, boy.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Well again, man, I appreciate your time and my
heart goes out to Charlie Kirk'swife, his two beautiful
children, his parents, all theirparents, their family, and to
this country and to thisbeautiful Ukrainian woman.
(41:52):
What a path to watch that.
It actually makes me sick.
I can barely watch it anymore.
And if I can't say this and Ihave it written down here Daniel
Penny.
Daniel Penny is the reason somepeople just sat there.
Daniel Penny was charged andthey tried to convict that man
for stopping a perpetrator thatcould have done what this guy
(42:14):
did on this train in Charlotte,that's right Yep and Daniel
Penny is on people's minds andif someone wants to tell me
differently.
They're wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
As I recall too, I was so upset by that as well.
Gosh, we were ending it on sucha nice note, we were going such
down this nice little lane.
No, no, no, I was so upsetbecause that's what came to my
mind instantly.
So let me get this straight.
So there's going to bedemonstrations, there's going to
be constant news coverage whenthis man does what he did to
(42:44):
probably and possibly at least,save someone on a train, and
we're going to scrutinize him.
But yet, when this happens,where is Al Sharpton?
You know what I mean?
Where are these so-calledsocial equity?
Where are these leaders,so-called leaders?
You know what?
They're not leaders, and that'swhy they're not there, because,
(43:06):
well, we all know the reasonand I'm not going to get into
that.
I'm going to end it on a nicenote and say thank you to you
and your father, you bet, andfor what you guys are doing, and
I appreciate you.
We only mentioned the businessonce.
I would do it again, but I'mnot going to do that.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Topo doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
We know it's not the purpose of this today, all right
, and on this day, let us notforget this is.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
September 11th.
And Pat, if I could say my dadjust said it life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yes, that's all I'm going to say yes.
And when we see thesedemonstrations and when we see
what happened with Charlieyesterday, what we've seen, you
know, I want to make it a pointand I'm going to really stress
this on my show tonight.
Let's go back to September 10th.
Things changed on the 11th, onthe 12th.
What happened on the 12th?
That was when we were allmourning and right after that we
(44:00):
were all driving around as one,a united country.
We had each other's backs.
We put flag magnets on ourtrucks, we did a human flag of
hundreds of people out at CalExpo, of all races, of all you
know.
It didn't matter man, woman,gender, didn't matter pronouns,
(44:20):
nothing mattered.
It just mattered that we showedrespect and love for this
country and that lasted a while.
I'm just hoping that time and,quite frankly, media has not
eroded that away.
Topo, thank you for your timetoday and I appreciate you being
on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Got it.
God bless you, my friend, allright.
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