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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Would have looked
identical to these, but the
damage was so severe thesehouses came along in the early
60s.
So when Ringo lived here, thiswas bombed and cleared away.
The white house with the pink isRingo's house.
And the V over the front doorhas got nothing to do with
Ringo.
That's Winston Churchill'ssalute to Adolf Hitler.
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That V is going to be forvictory.
V will be for victory.
That's what that means.
Not the other way around withthe Vicks.
Well he did do in the house.
Ringo got taken off to thehospital by his mum, appendix.
Ringo had the operations toremove his appendix.
That went very well, but Ringowas sitting up in his bed
playing with his toys.
Unfortunately, he fell out ofbed, hit the floor, and ripped
open his wound.
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He develops an infection, andRingo is going to end up in
hospital a lot longer.
Perathenitis is going to be aproblem.
Ringo did come home, but goingto school, Ringo's education's
going to slide and he's going tolose a lot of time in school.
At the age of 11 and a half,he's back in hospital, and this
time he's got the big one TB,tuberculosis.
It's a killer.
Ringo was given the last rates.
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Somehow he opened up his eyes,he came out of his coma, and his
mum was able to bring him home.
Now she's got him home.
Ringo's mum's able to go towork.
Ringo's mum, working behind thebar, met a lovely guy.
That guy was called Harry, HarryGreaves.
He's from London, but he movedto Liverpool to get away from
the smog of London and ended upin, and he even said himself,
How did I end up in Liverpool?
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It was just as bad here as itwas in London.
But Ringo, his mum, has metHarry, he's moved in the house,
he's proposed marriage.
Ringo couldn't have been ahappier teenager.
His mum's getting married again,and Harry was a good guy, a real
nice guy that Ringo justabsolutely taught the world of.
Ringo said years later, I neverhad a father, he walked out of
me when I was a kid.
I had a stepfather, he was morethan enough.
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In fact, he called him astepladder.
I had a stepladder, that's whathe called him.
And it was Harry who boughtRingo his first drum set.
Now when he went in thebackyard, he cut an oil tin lid,
he made a circle out of a tinlid, and he made a cymbal.
But Ringo is on his way.
He's in that front room, he'sgot the radio on nice and loud,
and he's playing whatever willcome on, and he'll play along
with the drums.
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Now rock and roll was startingto come through, but can I just
explain to you County andWestern from America was huge in
Liverpool before Elvis becauseCounty and Western was being
brought over by the AmericanLiverpool guys, these Liverpool
guys who worked on the oceanliners would go away to the
United States and come back totheir nephews and their their
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family members and give themLevi jeans, cowboy boots.
They tell stories about oh, youcan get a burger like this in
America, you can get a milkshakelike this, Coca-Cola.
These are things that onlyteenagers could dream about.
And when started certain peoplestarted talking about someone
called Elvis Presley, well,that's the start of it all.
Elvis is coming through theairwaves and Ringo's gonna
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listen to the radio.
Now his next door neighbour wasEddie Miles here at number 11.
Eddie Miles, well, he calledhimself Eddie Clayton and the
Clayton Squares because inLiverpool there's a shopping
area called Clayton Square.
Eddie could sing a bit and hecould play guitar and Ringo was
his drummer.
They went round and mute the newthe um the neighbourhood here in
the community halls or the likethe community centres of the
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church hall, but to make aninroad into a career.
Ringo's gonna join other bandsnow, and by 1958-59, he's got a
nice new drum set and he's witha guy called Alan Caldwell.
Alan Caldwell was from Liverpoolbut he had a stage name of Rory
Storm.
Rory Storm and the Hurricanes.
Now, everyone was convinced hewere Americans.
He wore a gold suit on stage,Rory, and he had his blonde
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hair, and when the spotlight wason him, he looked a million
dollars up on stage.
Rory turned to his bandmates andtold them, if I've got a stage
name, boys, you guys are gettingstage names, and you guys are
gonna look professional like mewith the beautiful new suits on.
Ringo got his name because hewore rings on his fingers, both
of his hands, and Starkey wasjust short and down to star.
So Ringo was very country andwestern, and Starkey was short
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and down to star, so Ringo staras we know him today.
But there's a group in Liverpoolcome 1961.
They didn't wear the gold suiton stage, they didn't call
themselves silly stage names,they just went by the name of
the Beatles and had to play onBuddy Holly and the crickets.
John Lennon, Paul McCartney,George Harrison, Pete Best on
the drums.
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Now his real name he was bornwith was Randolph Peter
Scanland, but Pete Best is whatwe know him as today.
That's what the Beatles looklike in 1961 in the cavern with
the leather jackets and leathertrousers.
George Harrison tells everyoneon the microphone in the cavern,
ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, we've made the record.
Go and buy it for us and make uslots of money.
Go to your nearest record store.
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The record's called My BonnieLies Over the Ocean.
The teenagers ran around thecorner, ran down Mackey Street,
walked into the nearest recordstore, and the manager who was
behind his office desk was BrianEpstein.
Now he is flooded with requestsfor this record by the Beatles,
but he told everyone I'd neverheard of them.
Who were these?
Who was this strange name peopleare asking about?
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When he'd done his homework, hewas told that the Beatles played
round the corner in the cavern.
So on the 9th of November 1961,with nothing better to do for
lunch, Brian made his way to thecavern and he sees the boys on
stage.
At the end of the show, he madea beeline for George Harrison.
And George Harrison knew who hewas.
He said, Mr.
Epstein, what brings you to ourclub?
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He said, The record you toldeveryone about, my bunny.
He said, Oh yeah, we made thatrecord.
We made it in Germany, Hamburg.
We were over there last year.
We were working with a rock androll singer.
His name's Tony Sheridan, andthe record's been put out by
Tony Sheridan and the BeatBrothers.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
And I don't know if
you're going to say this, but it
was also produced by BertCampfort, who was Bert Camford
and his orchestra, was a Germanorchestra can uh leader and a
can uh and a wonderful musician.
SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
That's it, that's
the that's the that's the name
Bert, and he is the one withTony Sheridan and the Beat
Brothers.
Now the reason why they werecalled the Beat Brothers is
because the word Beatles soundeda little bit too familiar,
sounded like Beatles.
Peadles a slang word for penis.
So you couldn't have a groupcalled the penises now, could
you?
So that's why they put pick outthe word beat brothers instead
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of the Beatles.
Okay.
So Brian, as I say, has got theinformation, he's made a phone
call to Germany, and the recordshave been shipped to London, to
Liverpool.
Sold.
More records come from Germany,London, Liverpool.
Sold.
He goes back to see the Beatlesand he asks the question: Who is
the management?
Who do we speak to?
Because your records are flownoff the shelves.
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They all pointed at him at Peteand said, His mother.
His mother was Mona Best.
Mona, God love her, she wasmaking phone calls to London,
but all she kept on sayingmostly was that my son is so
handsome, my son is so goodlooking.
My son is the hearthrop of theband.
To be fair, she wasn't tellinglies.
As I say, Pete was thegood-looking guy in the band,
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and all the girls used to hangaround his house all the time.
Not Paul's, but his house allthe time.
So the boys, as I say, BrianEpstein's done the inquiry, and
the boys, as I say, are gonna betaken over by Brian.
He went to London withphotographs looking like this.
But all the promoters in London,all the record guys, just looked
at them and went, no, they don'tlook very professional.
Then Brian hit upon the ideathis might work in Liverpool, it
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won't work in London.
Suits.
You've got to smart yourself up.
He's got them dressed, suitedand booted, he's got new
photographs taken by AlbertMarion, and he's gone down to
London.
But he got refused by everyone.
Pete refused all requests tobrush his hair into the Beatles
style as we know today.
Pete wouldn't do it because hesaid when I played the drums and
I started shaking my head, myhair stuck up anyway.
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Who cared?
I didn't have a beetle haircut.
So Brian Epstein goes to London,but he got refused by everyone.
And then he was about to give itall up and say, Boys, I can't do
it because no one's taking meseriously.
You got a call.
George Martin.
I'm gonna sign your boys, Brian,but I've got a problem, and the
problem we can't ignore.
Your drummer.
Can't play drums.
Timing, he's off key, he goestoo slow, and for some reason he
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picks up the pace and then hegoes slow.
He's a weak drummer, he's theweak part of the group.
But guess what?
I can use him for publicity.
He's a good looking guy.
The girls won't know thedifference, who's playing the
records, he will have to sit outthe recordings.
I'll get away with them three, Iwill not get away with him.
I'll bring one of my sessionguys in.
Now, when Brian told them threewithout his knowledge, they all
instantly said, get rid of him.
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Get him out, Brian.
Get the one we want, and the onewe want is Richie.
So Brian would come here withGeorge Harrison, knock on the
door, and wonder if Ringo wouldbe interested.
But Ringo said no.
I'm with Rory, I'm going toButlands holiday camp, I'm
working, and I've got plenty ofwork ahead of me.
He said, Ringo, we're gonna giveyou£25 a week, and we've got a
record deal in London.
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So, Ringo, you've got to thinkabout this.
Ringo spoke with Rory, and Rorysaid, Ringo, I can't stand in
your way.
Go with the Beatles, Ringo.
If it doesn't work out, you canalways come back at the end of
the day.
£25 a week, Ringo.
You've got to think about thatone.
He did think about it, and hetold Brian he will join on one
condition, he has nothing to dowith Pete getting sacked.
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He said, Pete's a nice guy, andI'm a nice guy, and this has got
nothing to do with me.
This is not my problem.
John Paul and George had ameeting said we're not gonna
tell him.
You are, because you're themanager.
You tell him, you do the hiringfighting, we do the music,
Brian.
That's the deal.
They didn't want to tell himbecause guess what?
He comes from a family inLiverpool, boxing.
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His father was Johnny Best.
He had the boxing stadium in thecity with the ringside
announcer.
Johnny, as I say, they didn'tknow that he had the skills
handed down from his father.
So they were not gonna tell him,they let Brian tell him.
And Brian walked in the officewith Pete, he brought him in and
he said on the 16th of August1962, Pete, I'm sorry, it's the
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end of the line for you.
The guys in London said theycan't record you, and if I can't
record you, I can't give you acontract.
Pete, it's not personal, you'rea good guy, and I'm gonna try
and get you another group.
But your time with the Beatlesis over.
But when Pete started askingquestions, Brian must have got a
bit flustered because he let itslip.
Ringo's agreed to join.
That was it.
Ringo has agreed to join.
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Now Pete knows.
So Ringo, as I say, Pete walkedout the room.
He said, It would have been niceto be told by the other three,
but no, that's the way they are.
Brian, don't worry about me,I'll go and find another group.
I'll get with them.
Pete walked out the room andBrian made a phone call to John
Paul and George.
I've done what I've had to do.
Pete's gone, he's sat, he knowsthis, and now he's walked out
the room.
Go and get Ringo.
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Ringo joined two days later.
Ringo would come home fromButland's holiday camp on the
Friday, and then he wasliterally measured up for his
suit and he goes and gets hisBeatles suit.
And Ringo the following day isnow officially a Beatle.
18th of August 1962.
Now, 12 months later, fastforward to the 7th of December
63, Ringo walked out the frontdoor and made his way to the
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car.
He was photographed here.
That film was him.
That's the first day.
That's the 7th of December 63.
Okay.
This is 12 months nowafterwards, and the Beatles'
success is now getting crazy.
Everywhere they go, the closingscenes.
And Ringo would come home, it'sgoing to be few and far between
now because Ringo's, as I say,popularity was getting a little
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bit too much.
7th of December, the Beatles arein Liverpool making a TV show,
Toothbox Jory, and they're goingto play for the Northwest
Beatles fan club.
That's Ringo on his way torehearsals.
1964 February, the Beatles gotback from America, New York
City, and Ringo made a phonecall to his mum.
Tomorrow, mum, someone's comingfor you in the car.
Don't argue, go with them.
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I'm in London.
I can't come up to Liverpool atthe moment, but tomorrow
someone's going to take you to anice new house.
Ringo bought the nice new home.
This house was taken over by alady called Margaret Grove.
Margaret moved in the house in64.
Margaret passed away in 2016.
The house is being bought by aBeatle fanatic, and her name is
Jackie.
And Jackie's a lovely lady.
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Jackie bought the property in2016, and nothing's been done to
it mostly.
Bit of decorating, bit ofcleaning, but as you look in,
you can see the decorativematerials are still there, and
that's what you've got.
An empty house that sits heredoing absolutely nothing.
If you go on YouTube, just clickin on YouTube, the Mercy
Sound63, you'll see GeorgeAddison where that car is.
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Now, George is in the car andhe's driving outwards, right?
And Ringo opens the door, andall the kids from here all chase
down and grab all the ringo ashe makes his way to the car.
Have a look, you'll see it onYouTube.
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
So that clip is on
YouTube where the kids are
running after them.
SPEAKER_01 (12:32):
I have to see that.
It's a famous little clip onYouTube.
The Mercy Sound 63.