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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Mr.
McCartney was fifty-four yearsof age.
He has a full-time job inLiverpool as a cotton salesman.
Now he's got a job at home.
Paul asked his father'spermission.
Can I go into Liverpool withyou, Dad?
Take a trumpet I got for mybirthday.
I don't want to play trumpet,Dad.
Elvis doesn't play trumpet,Elvis plays guitar.
Paul goes into Liverpool, rushedwaiting Draper Music Store and
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came home with a Zenith 17.
He still owns this guitar today,the Zenith, and with that
guitar, he sat in that littlebedroom and he wrote a song,
I've lost my little girl.
The first song you can talkabout is a song he wrote.
Did he write about his mum?
Who knows?
But it's called I Lost My LittleGirl.
He met John Lennon and he knewGeorge from school.
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These three will spend all theirspare time, as much as they can
in that front room writing songstogether.
And Paul had a younger brotherMichael, and Mike McCartney was
an amateur photographer.
He didn't play a musicalinstrument, but he started
taking the pictures around thehouse.
Here's a selection of Michael'swork at Paul at Work Rest and
Play.
Paul walking up the front door,the brickwork is perfect.
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Look at it today.
Look at the vandalism that'sbeen done, chipping away.
Now that picture was takenthrough the garden at the back
of the house, into the gardenunderneath the washing line.
Paul loved the photo so much, heused it on a solo record in
2005.
Chaos and creation in thebackyard.
That was the front cover.
How many members of the Beatles?
What's the four?
John, Paul, George, and Pete,but you never see Pete.
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Pete will play the drums, Petegoes home, he has his own
friends, he had his owngirlfriend, he had his own
situation.
He didn't mix with the boys offstage.
That's why John Lannon said,getting rid of Pete wasn't such
a big deal, he was never one ofus.
This picture's in full.
September 62.
On the floor, the song with it,I saw her standing there.
Same day, John's in glasses.
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He would never let anyone seehim in the glasses in the early
days.
He pulled them away, he put themin his pocket, and then he
posted beetle photos.
Front room, history.
In the kitchen, refreshment.
Paul drinking the pot of tea,and John, Paul, and Georgia
drinking cups of tea down in theback garden at the side of the
house down here.
Paul would talk to his father ona Saturday afternoon, asking the
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question I'm going out tonight,dad to play a gig in Liverpool.
I'm going to the cabin.
I need a door key.
You keep locking the door on meall the time.
Paul will sing about this in thesong When I'm 64.
Ever been out till quarter tothree, would you lock the door?
Yes, he would.
Paul would go down the backentrance at the crack of dawn,
throw a stone at the backwindow, and the waiter shimmy up
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the drain pipe.
Paul would do that up the drainpipe.
Standing here, 1963.
Paul is in front of the house,as you can see.
The window in the backgroundlooking identical today, you can
see with tanks of the NationalSource.
SPEAKER_03 (02:39):
Who took the picture
of him crawling up the drain
pipe?
Michael Carter, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:43):
He took all these
cool pictures.
And after Paul, I was about tojump into his car, Paul's car
will be here in 1963.
And after Ford Console Classic,and looking up there, you can
see nothing has changed hardlyat all.
Just the cars get more modern.
Paul bought a house for hisfather in 1964 across the river
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in Heswell across on theWhittle.
Now, this lady here that movedin the house was a lady and her
name is Sheila Jones.
Sheila's home from 64 until shedecided to let the house be
sold.
The family sold the house of theNational Trust as you've just
been speaking to Andy, and Andy,who you just spoke to, is now in
charge of the houses.
This house and John Lennon'shouse are both owned by National
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Trust.
When you walk in the bedroomupstairs, Paul's bedroom looks
like this today.
It's a complete replica of howit looked back in the day with
the help of photographs.
And that's a replica of PaulMcCartney's teenage bedroom.
That's where Paul sat on his bedand wrote his first song.
Paul's been invited to come tothe house over the years, but
he's told everyone who'dlistened, I don't want to go to
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a house where I lost my mum.
I don't want to go to a homewhere my father couldn't cope
with the situation.
Apart from John and Georgecoming, it's not a great house
to remember.
But Paul did knock on that doorin the early 2000s.
He knocked on the door a coupleof times.
Like now, the driver's gonehome, the guide's gone home.
Paul's driver was here, theguy's gone home.
Paul stopped with the neighboursin the street.
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And he still refused to come tothe house until you know when
James Corden TV special, CarpoolKaraoke, 9th of June 2018, and
he knocked on the door.
SPEAKER_03 (04:18):
So here he is, he
comes and knocks on his door,
the neighbours happen to see himafter and they go mad and take a
call.
He seems like such a graciousman.
SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
You know, he he does
his thing.
He comes to Liverpool, you don'teven know he's here most of the
time.
When he does come to Liverpool,he does with his university in
Liverpool, and sometimes he'sjust going about his private
business.
And because he drives a normalcar, he doesn't have all the
fanfare that follows him, hejust does his own thing.
Andy, you've just seen there, hecame out one day when I rolled
up in the street and he said, hejust drove up the road, he's in
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a Mercedes black car, he's justcome here, spoke to me, he took
a couple of pictures with hisfamily, and then he's just
driven off.
You just missed him as you comedriving in.
I caught the message twice.
I missed him by two seconds.
As I drove in, he drove out.
We were lucky nearly.
We were lucky again.
Almost.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
And Andy, you uh uh
tell us about your role.
You work for the National Trust.
SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
I do.
Um I'm the uh well, I guess thecustodian of the property is why
I deliver the tours here.
Um I look after both Paul andJohn's houses with a dedicated
team.
And it's our final shift of theday, hence why I was just
locking up and I thought thisfine chap just wants a pitcher
by the door while at him go on.
SPEAKER_00 (05:36):
Well, we appreciate
that, Andy, because I know we
had bad timing as you're tryingto get out of here and go home,
but it's it's much appreciated.
And now, since we don't havetime to go in the house, just
quickly, what can you tell us uhabout uh what what remains after
the McCartney family lived here?
SPEAKER_01 (05:50):
Well, the McCartney
family here from 56 to 64, and
they left this house to go overto Heswall in 1964.
Uh, you see, Paul had bought hisdad Jim a house.
It's called Rembrandt, and theMcCartney still uh McCartney
family still owned that house.
And then the Jones family movedon in.
They had it for many years until1995, and then just around 1995,
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we were given the opportunity topurchase this house uh for the
National Trust.
And what we've done is werecreated it using Paul's
brother, Mike, and hisphotographs that were taken in
the property during the timehere.
And so that's what we have.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
So the full
recreation.
SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
Is that the same
with John's house?
John's house, we didn't reallyhave to do a great deal.
The family who moved there afterMimi left in 65, they didn't
alter anything.
Not a great deal anyway.
The windows, the interior, thedoors, they were all as it was,
and uh that's how it's remained.
How about the furnishings?
You know what?
It's a fascinating fact aboutthe the estate when Mimi passed
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away in 1991, it went back tothe family.
And the family, on given thegaining the knowledge that we'd
uh purchased it, had been giventhe property by Yoko.
They came forward and uh theysaid, Would you like this back?
And so we put it back in thesituation to where it belonged.
So a lot of the larger pieces ofthe furniture were actually
there when John was there.
SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Well, the one
question I definitely want to
ask you, Andy, is what does itmean to you to have such a
responsibility?
Because I mean it seems uh youknow, somebody who isn't a fan
like us might think, oh, this issilly, they were just some
musicians, but they meant somuch to so many people.
What does it mean to you to notonly work for the National
Trust, but to carry the trust onyour shoulders?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
Thanks for that.
You know, we've all got ourbackstory, our own Beatles
history and story.
Me being from Liverpool, I'vegot mine.
I remember growing up with them,uh listening to them with my mum
and dad, and then to be giventhe opportunity to become uh a
tour guide and then later thethe the manager for the team.
It's it is a responsibility, butit's a legacy.
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You're taking on a story ofsomeone's life and then
presenting it to the public.
The Beatles, unlike anythingelse for pop culture, we've not
we've not seen anything likewhat they did.
And I I don't think we everwill.
It started with Elvis, they justtook that batter on and they did
what they did throughout the60s, 70s with Wings and John,
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and the boys wing along withGeorge.
The story that's enduring isgoing to go on forever.
And of course, with the uh thenew movies that uh hopefully
will come out in the next uh fewyears, that'll be the next
generation.
So the kids who are coming withtheir parents who are my age
that'll be okay, the beautifuland it'll be them because
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they'll take that further.
It's just a story that's goingon.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
So Andy Jones, the
National Trust, you got a big
job.
Really appreciate you taking aminute.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Thanks for uh
turning up in Liverpool and uh
looking at this.
SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
And Alistair said,
Paul said, Shall we have a game?
He goes, the game of what?
He said, the word game.
He gave me a notepad, he had anotepad, and he wrote down what
he was and I said, write downthe opposite, or vice versa.
So we started off with white,black.
Yes, no, go, stop.
After a couple of weeks, PaulMcCartney followed up Alistair
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Taylor.
He said, Hey Alistair, rememberwhen we had that game in our
home?
He said, Yeah, he said, Well,have a listen to this.
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It's a clean machine.
I'll just stop the music therebecause for some reason we had
every single obstacle in our waythere.
You know, school letting out, italways happens, people don't
know how to drive cars on theroad and taking the children
home, even though the childrencan quite easily walk home.
But never mind.
I walked home in my day.
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9th of June 2018.
Palmer Party's in Liverpool withCBS TV Carpool Karaoke with
James Corden.
Paul came here, signed his name.
Now he's not going to sign hisname on them ones because
they'll be taken off the walland sold on eBay.
He ain't gonna do the same upthere either because they're the
same.
This one he can sign becausethis one has been chipped away,
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but he can't steal it.
There it is.
That is 1000% Paul McCartney'ssignature.
It's faded now with the weather,getting to it.
You can see it there, PaulMcCartney.
Now I will send you via email aphotograph I took of that five
minutes after Paul signed it.
I met Paul at the top of theroad, and as Paul got in the
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vehicle beside me, he looked atmy cab, he nodded, gave me a
thumbs up and said, Your cab'sgreat, it's a real bonus.
That was captured on CBS TV.
I was looking to be in the rightplace at the right time.
As Paul got put in the car andgot whisped away, security for
CBS came up to me.
I went, Driver, go down thebottom, he's just turned the
wall.
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So I took pictures of that fiveminutes after Paul.
So he mentioned you in there andwe give it away.
He just said to me, he said,Your cab, yeah, so you'll see
him walk past on the screen andyou see him look at me and do
this.
Don't forget his left-handed.
And he went, Your cab's greatlike that to me.
So luckily I had I got a caughton TV on TV.
So this sign has been painted onthe wall because the original
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ones were made of cast iron,they were just ripped off the
wall by souvenir hunters.
Liverpool authorities got fed upto the back teeth of replacing
them.
Then they hit upon the idea,just paint them.
If you paint them on the wall,it can't be stolen.
So this is one of the ones thatwere painted from the 70s and
80s.
But now they've got plasticsigns for people on a GPS, let
them see that they've driveninto Penny Lane from Seftham
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Park.
But we're gonna drive up theresoon, and everything what he
sings about up there is there.
Come back with that.
I said psychedelic, rainbows,flowers, you put it on at the
fourth face, you've got to beSergeant Pepper face, and with
the colours of Sergeant Pepper'ssuits down the door.
Beautiful.
Start with the obvious.
Here we go.
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Back on the day, it looked likethat.
That is my former carpetremembered.
That's 1967 when the video wasmade of the shot.
Barber shop over the barbershop,back on the day.
Violetti, the Italian barber, hecut the hair of all the bullies
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in the neighbourhood.
And that barber shop he gave theAlbus Pas the haircuts to
teenagers.
17-year-old John, 15-year-oldPaul, 14-year-old George.
Them rock and roll haircuts camefrom Violetti over there.
Now, on the carpool karaoke,Paul walked in the barber shop
and he sat on the barber seat.
And Paul, as he walked past me,he gave me the thumbs up, and
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that is the moment I met Paul.
That's Paul and James Corden,and I'm here.
I wish I was there, but I'm hereand I asked the question do you
like the cab?
And that's when he went, it'sgreat, it's a real bonus.
Don't know what he meant, don'tcare.
That's what he said to me,that's his answer.
I was happy with that.
Bank on the corner is a duct ofsurgery.
Bank on the corner is a hoteland gestos.
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Bank on the corner is going tobe a line up.
So one, two, three banks.
Fire station down the road.
All the party would go past thefire station on the bus, just
down here.
We're going to see it soon whenwe leave here.
The bus in them days to stophere.
The local artists have done theuh the lucky work on the door to
make it look a bit more beaten.
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And that's what you got.
That is literally Penny Lanetoday, as it is, just a shopping
area.
If someone got in a vehicle as ataxi driver and said, Take me to
Penny Lane, you bring them here,but they'll have to ask you, I
want the quiet side down thebottom.
SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
So this is
something, as many of us know,
I've always imagined the term.
Exactly.
I can't believe I've been onevery time I think about this
stuff, but that's all I'm downhere.
I'm gonna think of you, and I'mgonna think of this.
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Same thing later
when we get to see Eleanor
Ridgeby and you get to see StopeFields, it all fucked it.
Ah the way I do it, I just callit colouring the pictures.
What I'm doing for you iscolouring the pictures.
You've read about what you'velistened.
I'm just colouring the pictures.