A cloudy night, a quiet studio, and a birthday that turns a microphone into a family album. We open a window onto Sacramento in the 70s—dance contests at 40 Grand Country, Channel 40 weekends, and a beehive hairdo that could out-sing the neon. From Tammy Wynette’s D-I-V-O-R-C-E to Charley Pride’s shadowed story-songs, the soundtrack of a single mom becomes a map of grit and grace, raising six kids with a console stereo and an electric frying pan that knew its way around perfect chicken.
We follow the grooves that taught me how to listen: Vaughn Monroe’s lunch-pail baritone, Bert Kaempfert’s bass-first sway, and Duane Eddy’s twang that feels like a switchblade flashed in daylight. Hank Williams gave sorrow a porch; Hank Thompson strapped rhythm to a six-pack; Hank Snow turned highways into verses. Harmony shows up in the Ames Brothers and the Mills Brothers, where breath stacks into architecture and a living room becomes a stage. Then, in a Whitefront aisle, everything tilts—Mom hears CCR’s swampy Grapevine, asks the name, and buys the record like a door she’s ready to walk through. From that moment on, deep cuts sit next to standards, and her collection widens the river I’d learn to swim.
Between memories of MASH-to-Barnaby Jones pickups and racing home for Columbo, we hold a different kind of case file: how music steadies a family, marks the hours, and keeps a loved one close long after the room goes quiet. If you love country roots, classic harmonies, and the deep-grain feel of vinyl storytelling, this journey will meet you where you live—somewhere between nostalgia and discovery, loss and the next great song.
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SPEAKER_07 (00:13):
Hello, welcome to the Pat's Peeps Podcast.
You know what?
I'm doing this late tonight.
I'm doing it after my show.
It's a Wednesday.
It's my mom's birthday, 12th dayof November, 2025.
I'm looking out my studiowindow.
It's dark.
It's 10 34 PM.
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But I do know that it's it'scloudy out there and the rain is
coming my way as I understandit.
Hope you're doing well whereveryou are.
Pat's Peeps 261 and continuing.
You know, last night I wasseeing all these incredible
pictures of the northern lights,I guess, that somehow is just, I
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mean, it's so fascinating andbeautiful.
Lighting up the sky.
I was getting pictures fromColfax.
It's only up the road a piece.
I I couldn't see it.
I'm looking out there after Iget off of work.
I'm trying to find it.
I didn't see it, but I therewere so many beautiful photos.
And apparently tonight it's it'sequally as good.
(01:17):
However, uh there are clouds outthere and it doesn't matter
anyhow because I can't see it.
But some of the folks up at theslightly upper elevations maybe
can.
I don't know.
It's I've seen pictures fromlike I say, uh all around uh
well, from various spots.
I can't even tell you where,quite at it, but but it was
beautiful nonetheless.
(01:37):
Uh so some rain coming our way.
You know, I just thought I woulddo this podcast tonight because
it's my mother's birthday.
So I hope you don't mind mesharing about my mother, Teresa
Bernadette, maiden namedTungate.
I know I've never I've neverknown another family with the
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name with the name Tungate.
But that was my mother's maidenname.
She listened to K-R-A-K CountryMemories on the Crack Corralic
Country Hits.
We drive around in the Falconstation wagon listening to K R A
K Radio, Country Radio.
(02:18):
Billy Crash Craddock ain'tnothing shaking but the leaves
on the trees.
What was that other song by um,you know, ah, anyway, there were
so many.
There were so many.
So my mother sang in a countryband.
She sang with Dennis Barney andthe Nashville Rebels, among
others.
I remember she went there was aplace called the 40 Grand
(02:40):
Country in Sacramento.
Remember, there's a guy namedLloyd Hickey in the 40 Grand
Country.
Anyone remember Lloyd Hickey?
They had a character on HarryHorse Collar.
Come on, am I the only one thatremembers this?
Please tell me someone remembersthis.
From Sacramento.
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But anyhow, they would have adance contest.
They ended up having a show onthe weekends.
Because all the every town atone point it would have a
country show on the weekends.
It was either that or fishing orthe wide world of sports or
Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
And so some of the local people,like if you know, that they
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would have a show because theyhad a you know a business or
whatever.
And so Lloyd Hickey and 40 grandhad a show for a while.
And they had a dance contest onChannel 40, I think.
And so my mother loved to dance,not only sing and draw, but
dance.
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And so she she enters thisdancing contest with 40 grand
country.
And I remembered a guy namedJerry that she was dancing with.
And in my mind, this is the most70s dude of all time.
Like my mom had a beehivehaircut.
I don't know, you know, the oldbeehive like Tammy Wynette.
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Anyhow.
And so Jerry had a plaid, in mymind, he had a plaid jacket, big
thick horn-rimmed glasses.
I could see it.
Plaid, like oranges-coloredjacket and the big mutton chops
like Grover Cleveland or Miller.
Who had the mutton chops?
Was it Millard Fillmore?
(04:30):
One of the presidents, the oldtimers, John Quincy Adams, kind
of big beefy sideburns muttonchops.
And so we go camping.
April 1972.
Crazy horse campground.
Anyone remember Crazy HorseCampground?
So we're out there camping.
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My mother was in PWP, ParentsWithout Partners, because the
previous year my dad said,Adios, I gotta go.
And uh he split, so now it's mymom, and she's in this group
called Parents Without Partners,where it was single people, you
know, with kids.
And they would get together.
I thought it was a great order,you know, I'm a kid, but still I
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could understand my mom wantedto be in this thing.
So, anyhow, so we're campingwith this PWP group, and my
brother Jim, me and Jim, on thisbeautiful sunny day, the this
crazy horse campground.
Anyone was it was the campgroundup 80 or 50?
I think it was 80, but anyhow.
So we walk up to this littlelike general store up there, and
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they had a TV up in the corner,and they had recorded the 40
grand country for the weekend,so we knew my mother was gonna
be on the TV dancing.
And sure enough, we get downthere, buy us some licorice and
some sweet tarts or whatever,and a seven up, you know, and
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and and there's my mom dancing.
I wish I could remember thesong.
Uh who knows?
Oh, I know the song I wasthinking of earlier.
God, all of these songs remindme of my mother.
So that's kind of the point oftoday's podcast here.
361.
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Yeah, I just this popped into myhead.
So KRK, hold on, I gotta findthis one.
Um, it's uh oh, hold on asecond.
Oh, they used to play this allthe time.
Remember Big Jim Hall was onthere?
That was a very popular radiostation in Sacramento.
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Yeah, this guy right here,Freddie Hart.
Remember this guy?
Freddie Hart, I remember this asa kid.
It'll always be playing on theradio.
Easy loving.
You know, it's interesting.
(07:03):
So sexy looking.
I remember this.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (07:07):
I know from the feet.
SPEAKER_07 (07:09):
You know, as I think about this, I just literally
said my dad left in 71.
So this song came out in 71.
I remember every song like this.
My mom, when she sang in a band,as I look back at it, because
now they're going through adivorce, and she was very hurt.
Six kids.
She had no skills in terms ofwork.
How's she gonna feed us?
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We didn't have any anything.
So she would sing in this band,and I remember all the songs she
sang.
It was it was um D-I-V-O-R-C-Eby Tammy Wynette.
Or oh, the snakes crawl atnight, Charlie Bryde, the snakes
crawl at night.
Does my ring burn your finger?
Um, you know, it was all ofthese songs that were divorce
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and breakup songs.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
That it comes from the home.
SPEAKER_07 (08:03):
But they'd play this on Karen K like every single
hour.
That's the thing, man.
My mom had the biggest recordcollection.
That's how I know music.
Oh, here's another thing, mymom.
So when my dad split, so we'dlike have the weekends, we'd go
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stay with my dad and mystepmother now in their
condominium off of 47th Street.
Now you can imagine the boyswould go visit them in this
little condo.
We called it a condominium.
Essentially, it was a tinytwo-room apartment now that I
look back on it.
And so there would be me, Jim,Steve, Tim, and Ray, five boys
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sleeping on the floor in theupper apartment until they
finally got a home, and then weended up moving in with them.
And so on the weekends, youknow, my mom didn't want to give
us up, but so she'd have to takeus over there.
Then she'd pick us up on aSunday night, and I still
remember, God, like this is1973.
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And I remember it would beBarnaby, it would be MASH, the
MASH theme, and I knew rightthen when the ending of MASH,
the theme played the end of MASHthat my mom would be pulling up
outside at right at that moment.
So it would go from the MASHtheme right into Barnaby Jones.
(09:31):
Remember that?
Barnaby Jones, Barnaby Jones.
What was his name?
The guy that played JedClampett.
I'm sorry.
I don't want to digress toomuch.
But my mom, anyhow, I'll thinkof that in a second.
Dang it.
See, now my mind's racing toomuch.
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Come on.
I love him.
What's his name?
Uh Buddy Ebsen.
Thank you.
Thank you, Google.
But she'd be like, all right,kids, as soon as she pull up.
Kids, get in a station wagon.
I want to be home in time towatch Columbo.
Gotta get home to watch Columbo.
SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
Well, listen, there's one other thing I wanted
to ask you about.
Um, the fellow that lessonworked with, Dr.
Murchison.
Uh, I can't find him, and I waswondering whether you can help
me.
Apparently he goofed up on someexpensive project that he was
working on.
Gee, I've seen this pictureevery day for 12 years.
SPEAKER_07 (10:30):
Columbo always had it figured out.
He just kind of toy with them.
You always knew who the youalways knew who committed the
crime.
It'd be like the big star likeDick Van Dyck, or, you know,
just the Robert Conrad.
You're a beautiful woman.
At any rate, uh what was hisname?
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
Um I've got Dr.
Murchison's telephone number andI've called him.
Uh, but I haven't had any luck.
Can you help me?
SPEAKER_07 (10:54):
Yeah, so my mom, she wanna be on in uh she wanna be
home in time for Columbo.
God bless you, Mom.
I love ya.
She used to watch those soapoperas.
The Edge of Night.
The Secret Storm.
Dark Shadows.
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So the main influence, well, oneof the main influences certainly
for my beautiful mother ismusic.
My dad played baseball.
I love baseball.
I mean, my mother loved music,my dad loved baseball.
My two favorite things in theworld, practically my two
favorite things, are music andbaseball.
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It wasn't that they forced it onme, they never said, Pat, you
should really they didn't.
I just, for whatever reason, Iwanted a baseball glove and I
wanted to check out my mother'srecord collection.
I thought it was incrediblyfascinating that she'd have all
of these records.
And I would just and with a bigCurtis Mathis console stereo.
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You remember if back in the day,man, if back in the 60s, you had
the big console.
Like in the 70s, like thespeakers on the side turned to
velvet, but before that, it wassome kind of weird material.
I can't even tell you.
With little cross-check patternson it, and it would have like a
record player, a black and whiteTV.
Maybe this one had color.
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Maybe it was our first color TV,to be honest with you, because I
remember watching Daniel Booneand the FBI in color, starring
Ephraim Zimbelis Jr.
Please tell me someone remembersthat.
I'm very old.
So she and she had the and it'dbe a rec, you know, the cabinet
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with the records in there.
You slide the doors open, butthen she had a ton of them
sitting next to it because shehad so many records.
She loved going record shopping,and I love going with her.
So I would learn all of thismusic.
I would listen to everything.
This is, again, people say, wow,you know a lot about music.
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I do.
Thank you to my mother.
Also, I'm gonna play a fewexamples if you'll allow me.
Hope they don't hate me fordoing this.
I don't own their rights tothese.
This is Vaughn Monroe,Ballerina.
Pat's Peeps 261.
Do you feel regular?
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This guy, when I was, so I'mgonna give you my impressions
here of my impression of themusic as a kid.
This one is I was a kid.
I'd I'd be listening to this.
There's ballerina damn.
The guy's voice to me alwayssounded like like he was a dude.
It was a carried a lunch pail,wore a hard hat, maybe worked on
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construction or something, ordid something like that, very
blue collar.
And he'd be at work hammering.
I'm gonna sing away, because I'ma hammering on this two by four.
All you know, and like hisbuddies go, hey, uh, you know,
Vaughn, you know, during lunch,you ever thought about taking up
singing?
I you got a pretty good voice.
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I know.
Isn't that weird?
But he's got like this voicethat doesn't sound like your
typical, I don't know, I don'tknow how to explain it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
You mustn't once forget a dancer has to dance the
parina.
SPEAKER_07 (14:36):
Then they had this guy, my mother had this record,
it was the greatest hits by thisguy, Bert Campford and his
orchestra.
So he's like a German bandleader, and he's actually the
guy that made that produced thefirst Beatles album.
We just talked about that on aprevious uh one, our Beatles
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tour on one of my podcasts,where I brought that up to Ian,
who was our tour leader.
He's like, yes, that's exactlyright.
So this man, Bert Camford, wasresponsible.
I didn't know that as a kid, butI'd put this record on, and
there would be songs thatreminded me of game shows.
I think one of them was actuallyused uh in a game show with Tom
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Kennedy or something.
I swear it was, but it would belike um Wonderland by Night, um
uh African Beat.
This is okay, so and I the thingabout this it is just this.
It's just this niche of musicthat has this incredibly, it's
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like very old style.
I don't know how to describe it,I'll just play it.
But but it has the cool bass.
That's what I would alwaysremember.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
It's got boom, it's got the verypronounced bass, and I thought
it was even as a kid, I thought,well, you know what?
I like the fact that theyfeature the bass in the music.
Von I mean, this is uh BertCamport and his orchestra,
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African beats.
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You know, it was kind of I kid Iwanted it to be hokey in my
head, but I could never make itas I liked it.
I'm throwing on a lot actually.
You're like ten years oldgrooving to this.
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I just explore somethingcompletely different musically.
If the guy's name was Hank, Iwas gonna get to know Hank.
Hank Williams got to know himfirst.
SPEAKER_02 (17:42):
What you got cooking?
How's about cooking something upwith me?
SPEAKER_07 (17:49):
Hank is right up there with my all-time favorite
artist, Hank Williams.
SPEAKER_02 (17:55):
Don't you think maybe we could find us a brand
new recipe.
SPEAKER_07 (18:04):
But again, if his name was Hank, I would know
about him.
And I gravitated towards him.
I back then I really liked, Ithink as the the older I get,
the more I liked Hank Williams.
When I was younger, I liked HankThompson.
SPEAKER_04 (18:20):
Hey, Mr.
Bartender came out the year Iwas born.
Please don't be so slow.
I got time for one more roundand a six pack to go.
Tomorrow morning, Sunday, I'mgonna be feeling low.
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So please, please part tender.
I want a six pack to go.
SPEAKER_07 (18:47):
It felt like progressive country to me at
that time, like it was gr it ata badass beat.
Pardon my language.
SPEAKER_04 (18:56):
Just a hump beat, hump around.
Don't have enough to pay myrent.
I ain't gonna wear it to go.
I got time for one more round.
SPEAKER_08 (19:07):
And a six-pack to go.
SPEAKER_07 (19:09):
A fada nitty.
Like this cool kind ofrockabilly beat, man, 1960.
Hank Thompson, bats beach 361.
361.
Oh, check this part out.
Woo! Yeah.
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Thank you, Mom.
More Hank, this guy.
Hank Snow.
He had this nasally voice Iremember thinking of, but I
liked it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
From old Montana down to Alabama and before and
I'll travel again.
If you drive a win and can'tkeep a good man down.
You doubt the cards, but youmissed the play.
So hit the road and be on yourway.
Come aboard the Golden Rocketand leave the stone.
I was a good engineer running ontime, but baby.
I'm switching to another line.
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So honey never hang your signalout for me.
I'm tired of running on the sameold track.
Take it up on the back.
This golden rocket's gonna rollmy booze away.
SPEAKER_07 (20:19):
I remember he was the first artist I heard that
did I've been everywhere, man.
Yeah, got a little groove to it.
It wasn't like your typicalslow.
You know what I discovered is Iliked twang.
I liked twang.
I liked twang so much that mymother had this record.
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So all those country songs arelike that kind of twang, had
that little pee appeal to it.
So I was probably, I don't know,eight or nine.
And I listened to this record.
And to this day, I rememberputting this record on, this
album on over and over as a kid,listening to it.
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I gravitated towards this one,and it's called Twangin the
Golden Hits.
Dwayne Eddy Rebel Rouser.
(21:58):
Man, that's one you can dance toand it's just scroovy.
And the whole record was good.
I remember that be one rightafter the other.
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So I've always been a big DwayneEddy fan because of that.
There were so many styles, sothat's one of the things I'm the
most appreciative of.
The Ames brothers.
Ed Ames, I you know, I mentionedDaniel Boone earlier.
And he was in the show DanielBoone.
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Ed Ames played um Mingo andDaniel Boone.
And so I was kind of wow, he'sgood.
And so I my I realized that he'she sings too.
What?
He sings.
So he was part of this brothers'group, the Ames Brothers.
Whole different genre.
I'm really starting as I'm doingthis, as I'm talking.
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I've never really thought aboutit as much as I am right now in
terms of the fact thatapparently the music that I was
gravitating towards all had thiskind of a groove or like a good
beat or something.
Now I'll probably play a bunchof slow stuff.
But this one I always liked, thethe Ames Brothers called a song
called Rag Mop.
I always find myself to thisday, I find myself singing or
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whistling and singing this song.
My brother Steve, too.
SPEAKER_08 (23:44):
I say M O P M O P O P M O P G M I said A G R G G R G
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G M O P P P Ragma Sorry, RagmaGiving a Good Beat.
SPEAKER_07 (24:31):
Then I remember So that's my memory of that.
Also, this one, boy, I don'tthink I've listened to this one
for so long.
I'm gonna have to just justlisten to this to try to
remember.
But I just remember the title.
I hope it's the right one.
I forgot to preview this one,but I remember running around
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the coffee table chasing mybrothers.
Yeah, here it is.
As a little kid, yes.
We'd have a coffee table.
I was a little tyke chasing mybrother around.
My mom would be playing this onthe console.
Fiddle faddle.
Oh my god, this is like a dreamlistening to this.
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Isn't this good chasing music?
I mean, it's perfect.
No wonder I was chasing mybrother.
(25:44):
I haven't heard this in decades.
It's like it yesterday.
Oh boy.
(26:04):
Wow, that one brings backmemories right there.
Then I would throw on this one.
It was like the student prince,Mario Lanza, and he starts
singing about drinking.
And now it rem I rememberthinking, it's so weird this
guy's he's in a suit, like thisweird prince suit.
SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
Drink, drink, drink two eyes and a hain on me.
Drink, drink, drink, red, andsweet as the fruit of the trees.
SPEAKER_07 (26:42):
This gotta get hit in it.
Watch this.
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Then you want to get intoanother cool groove?
I'd throw on the Mills Brothers,another brother group, with
these great harmonies and bass.
SPEAKER_05 (27:48):
Everybody space.
SPEAKER_07 (27:53):
To this day, one of my favorite harmonizing bands.
SPEAKER_05 (28:04):
Don't stop the leader that it race.
SPEAKER_07 (28:46):
Uh, with such a gift that she turned me on to this
music.
The Mills Brothers forever oneof my favorites now.
Anytime you talk about bandsthat are or groups with the best
harmonies, they're always in thetop five for me.
SPEAKER_05 (29:04):
That's where I leave my future feet.
SPEAKER_07 (29:17):
I knew my mom was getting hip.
I'm a little kid, and suddenlythere's all of that music, which
is great, and but it's has thisolder sound.
And those are the sounds that Iwas used to up until that point.
Until one day, and if you livedin Sacramento, and I don't know
if they had these in otherplaces, but one night, actually,
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early evening, we were inWhitefront.
Whitefront store, which is, Idon't know, maybe a predecessor
to I don't know, Gemco, Target,what have you.
They had furniture.
I'm looking back, you know,clothing probably, and
furniture, but certainly theyhad.
Had a record section.
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And I remember one night we'rewalking through there.
And this is again, this is whenI knew my mom was kind of
getting to like some cool hippernew music.
And so we're walking through,and this is playing.
So, you know, at the recordstore, they play a record to
kind of draw people in.
But as we're walking down theaisle from the clothing aisle
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towards the record section,there's a song playing on the
speaker, and she can hear it.
And she literally asks me.
Here's my mother in her 20s, I'msure, at the time.
She says, Pat, Patrick, what isthis song playing right now?
Do you know?
Well, I already knew the firstalbum with featuring Suzy Q, and
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I said, Yeah, Mom, it's CredenceClearwater Revival.
Heard it through the grapevine.
To which she then made a beelineright toward the record store,
the record department.
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Walked up, and I remember shewalked up to the guy.
My son says this is what is it,Patrick?
It's Credence Clearwater, herdedthrough the grapevine.
Do you have this record?
I guess you do, you're playingit.
Yes, we do, ma'am.
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So I remember she bought thisrecord.
And after that, she became sucha fan of Credence Clearwater
Revival.
Like, man, anything, any song,any deep cut, anything you can
ever come up with with Credence.
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Some of the deep cuts, I mean,Credence has so many great
songs, but some of their best,in my opinion, would be their
deep cuts that you don't hearall the time.
But I know those.
Why?
Because of my dear mother,Teresa Bernadette Walsh.
And I just wanted to rememberher today.
She made, I wanted to rememberher.
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She made the best fried chickenin the world, bar none.
I don't care who else iswhatever.
No offense.
If you ask any one of my six, meor any of my brothers and
sisters, if you had one meal,it's your final meal, what you
get one last meal, what would itbe?
And I promise you, they wouldall say separately, uh, my
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mother's fried chicken.
I don't know what she did tomake it.
I know she used one of thoselike 1970s kind of frying pans.
Remember the electric fryingpan?
And uh she'd make it like I'msure with a lot of Crisco oil,
but I'm telling you it was thegreatest thing ever.
And uh so that's just a littlefactoid about her, too.
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We lost her in 2006, Labor Day,2006.
One of the two saddest days ofmy entire life.
I can honestly tell you that.
And another thing about mymother, boy did.
She loved the sound of music.
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When I say love, that isn't evenI can barely that barely covers
it.
But she did, she loved it.
The day I was in Austria, themorning I was in Austria, and I
got to see that gazebo from thesound of music.
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I just remember gettingemotional.
Well, mom, I'm here.
Rest in peace, mother, until wemeet again.
And thank you for listening toPat's Peeps three hundred and
sixty-one.
Hello, welcome to the Pat's Peeps Podcast.
You know what?
I'm doing this late tonight.
I'm doing it after my show.
It's a Wednesday.
It's my mom's birthday, 12th dayof November, 2025.
I'm looking out my studiowindow.
It's dark.
It's 10 34 PM.
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But I do know that it's it'scloudy out there and the rain is
coming my way as I understandit.
Hope you're doing well whereveryou are.
Pat's Peeps 261 and continuing.
You know, last night I wasseeing all these incredible
pictures of the northern lights,I guess, that somehow is just, I
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mean, it's so fascinating andbeautiful.
Lighting up the sky.
I was getting pictures fromColfax.
It's only up the road a piece.
I I couldn't see it.
I'm looking out there after Iget off of work.
I'm trying to find it.
I didn't see it, but I therewere so many beautiful photos.
And apparently tonight it's it'sequally as good.
(01:17):
However, uh there are clouds outthere and it doesn't matter
anyhow because I can't see it.
But some of the folks up at theslightly upper elevations maybe
can.
I don't know.
It's I've seen pictures fromlike I say, uh all around uh
well, from various spots.
I can't even tell you where,quite at it, but but it was
beautiful nonetheless.
(01:37):
Uh so some rain coming our way.
You know, I just thought I woulddo this podcast tonight because
it's my mother's birthday.
So I hope you don't mind mesharing about my mother, Teresa
Bernadette, maiden namedTungate.
I know I've never I've neverknown another family with the
(01:58):
name with the name Tungate.
But that was my mother's maidenname.
She listened to K-R-A-K CountryMemories on the Crack Corralic
Country Hits.
We drive around in the Falconstation wagon listening to K R A
K Radio, Country Radio.
(02:18):
Billy Crash Craddock ain'tnothing shaking but the leaves
on the trees.
What was that other song by um,you know, ah, anyway, there were
so many.
There were so many.
So my mother sang in a countryband.
She sang with Dennis Barney andthe Nashville Rebels, among
others.
I remember she went there was aplace called the 40 Grand
(02:40):
Country in Sacramento.
Remember, there's a guy namedLloyd Hickey in the 40 Grand
Country.
Anyone remember Lloyd Hickey?
They had a character on HarryHorse Collar.
Come on, am I the only one thatremembers this?
Please tell me someone remembersthis.
From Sacramento.
(03:00):
But anyhow, they would have adance contest.
They ended up having a show onthe weekends.
Because all the every town atone point it would have a
country show on the weekends.
It was either that or fishing orthe wide world of sports or
Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
And so some of the local people,like if you know, that they
(03:24):
would have a show because theyhad a you know a business or
whatever.
And so Lloyd Hickey and 40 grandhad a show for a while.
And they had a dance contest onChannel 40, I think.
And so my mother loved to dance,not only sing and draw, but
dance.
(03:45):
And so she she enters thisdancing contest with 40 grand
country.
And I remembered a guy namedJerry that she was dancing with.
And in my mind, this is the most70s dude of all time.
Like my mom had a beehivehaircut.
I don't know, you know, the oldbeehive like Tammy Wynette.
(04:09):
Anyhow.
And so Jerry had a plaid, in mymind, he had a plaid jacket, big
thick horn-rimmed glasses.
I could see it.
Plaid, like oranges-coloredjacket and the big mutton chops
like Grover Cleveland or Miller.
Who had the mutton chops?
Was it Millard Fillmore?
(04:30):
One of the presidents, the oldtimers, John Quincy Adams, kind
of big beefy sideburns muttonchops.
And so we go camping.
April 1972.
Crazy horse campground.
Anyone remember Crazy HorseCampground?
So we're out there camping.
(04:50):
My mother was in PWP, ParentsWithout Partners, because the
previous year my dad said,Adios, I gotta go.
And uh he split, so now it's mymom, and she's in this group
called Parents Without Partners,where it was single people, you
know, with kids.
And they would get together.
I thought it was a great order,you know, I'm a kid, but still I
(05:12):
could understand my mom wantedto be in this thing.
So, anyhow, so we're campingwith this PWP group, and my
brother Jim, me and Jim, on thisbeautiful sunny day, the this
crazy horse campground.
Anyone was it was the campgroundup 80 or 50?
I think it was 80, but anyhow.
So we walk up to this littlelike general store up there, and
(05:35):
they had a TV up in the corner,and they had recorded the 40
grand country for the weekend,so we knew my mother was gonna
be on the TV dancing.
And sure enough, we get downthere, buy us some licorice and
some sweet tarts or whatever,and a seven up, you know, and
(05:55):
and and there's my mom dancing.
I wish I could remember thesong.
Uh who knows?
Oh, I know the song I wasthinking of earlier.
God, all of these songs remindme of my mother.
So that's kind of the point oftoday's podcast here.
361.
(06:16):
Yeah, I just this popped into myhead.
So KRK, hold on, I gotta findthis one.
Um, it's uh oh, hold on asecond.
Oh, they used to play this allthe time.
Remember Big Jim Hall was onthere?
That was a very popular radiostation in Sacramento.
(06:41):
Yeah, this guy right here,Freddie Hart.
Remember this guy?
Freddie Hart, I remember this asa kid.
It'll always be playing on theradio.
Easy loving.
You know, it's interesting.
(07:03):
So sexy looking.
I remember this.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (07:07):
I know from the feet.
SPEAKER_07 (07:09):
You know, as I think about this, I just literally
said my dad left in 71.
So this song came out in 71.
I remember every song like this.
My mom, when she sang in a band,as I look back at it, because
now they're going through adivorce, and she was very hurt.
Six kids.
She had no skills in terms ofwork.
How's she gonna feed us?
(07:29):
We didn't have any anything.
So she would sing in this band,and I remember all the songs she
sang.
It was it was um D-I-V-O-R-C-Eby Tammy Wynette.
Or oh, the snakes crawl atnight, Charlie Bryde, the snakes
crawl at night.
Does my ring burn your finger?
Um, you know, it was all ofthese songs that were divorce
(07:55):
and breakup songs.
SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
That it comes from the home.
SPEAKER_07 (08:03):
But they'd play this on Karen K like every single
hour.
That's the thing, man.
My mom had the biggest recordcollection.
That's how I know music.
Oh, here's another thing, mymom.
So when my dad split, so we'dlike have the weekends, we'd go
(08:24):
stay with my dad and mystepmother now in their
condominium off of 47th Street.
Now you can imagine the boyswould go visit them in this
little condo.
We called it a condominium.
Essentially, it was a tinytwo-room apartment now that I
look back on it.
And so there would be me, Jim,Steve, Tim, and Ray, five boys
(08:44):
sleeping on the floor in theupper apartment until they
finally got a home, and then weended up moving in with them.
And so on the weekends, youknow, my mom didn't want to give
us up, but so she'd have to takeus over there.
Then she'd pick us up on aSunday night, and I still
remember, God, like this is1973.
(09:07):
And I remember it would beBarnaby, it would be MASH, the
MASH theme, and I knew rightthen when the ending of MASH,
the theme played the end of MASHthat my mom would be pulling up
outside at right at that moment.
So it would go from the MASHtheme right into Barnaby Jones.
(09:31):
Remember that?
Barnaby Jones, Barnaby Jones.
What was his name?
The guy that played JedClampett.
I'm sorry.
I don't want to digress toomuch.
But my mom, anyhow, I'll thinkof that in a second.
Dang it.
See, now my mind's racing toomuch.
(09:52):
Come on.
I love him.
What's his name?
Uh Buddy Ebsen.
Thank you.
Thank you, Google.
But she'd be like, all right,kids, as soon as she pull up.
Kids, get in a station wagon.
I want to be home in time towatch Columbo.
Gotta get home to watch Columbo.
SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
Well, listen, there's one other thing I wanted
to ask you about.
Um, the fellow that lessonworked with, Dr.
Murchison.
Uh, I can't find him, and I waswondering whether you can help
me.
Apparently he goofed up on someexpensive project that he was
working on.
Gee, I've seen this pictureevery day for 12 years.
SPEAKER_07 (10:30):
Columbo always had it figured out.
He just kind of toy with them.
You always knew who the youalways knew who committed the
crime.
It'd be like the big star likeDick Van Dyck, or, you know,
just the Robert Conrad.
You're a beautiful woman.
At any rate, uh what was hisname?
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
Um I've got Dr.
Murchison's telephone number andI've called him.
Uh, but I haven't had any luck.
Can you help me?
SPEAKER_07 (10:54):
Yeah, so my mom, she wanna be on in uh she wanna be
home in time for Columbo.
God bless you, Mom.
I love ya.
She used to watch those soapoperas.
The Edge of Night.
The Secret Storm.
Dark Shadows.
(11:16):
So the main influence, well, oneof the main influences certainly
for my beautiful mother ismusic.
My dad played baseball.
I love baseball.
I mean, my mother loved music,my dad loved baseball.
My two favorite things in theworld, practically my two
favorite things, are music andbaseball.
(11:38):
It wasn't that they forced it onme, they never said, Pat, you
should really they didn't.
I just, for whatever reason, Iwanted a baseball glove and I
wanted to check out my mother'srecord collection.
I thought it was incrediblyfascinating that she'd have all
of these records.
And I would just and with a bigCurtis Mathis console stereo.
(12:02):
You remember if back in the day,man, if back in the 60s, you had
the big console.
Like in the 70s, like thespeakers on the side turned to
velvet, but before that, it wassome kind of weird material.
I can't even tell you.
With little cross-check patternson it, and it would have like a
record player, a black and whiteTV.
Maybe this one had color.
(12:24):
Maybe it was our first color TV,to be honest with you, because I
remember watching Daniel Booneand the FBI in color, starring
Ephraim Zimbelis Jr.
Please tell me someone remembersthat.
I'm very old.
So she and she had the and it'dbe a rec, you know, the cabinet
(12:48):
with the records in there.
You slide the doors open, butthen she had a ton of them
sitting next to it because shehad so many records.
She loved going record shopping,and I love going with her.
So I would learn all of thismusic.
I would listen to everything.
This is, again, people say, wow,you know a lot about music.
(13:08):
I do.
Thank you to my mother.
Also, I'm gonna play a fewexamples if you'll allow me.
Hope they don't hate me fordoing this.
I don't own their rights tothese.
This is Vaughn Monroe,Ballerina.
Pat's Peeps 261.
Do you feel regular?
(13:31):
This guy, when I was, so I'mgonna give you my impressions
here of my impression of themusic as a kid.
This one is I was a kid.
I'd I'd be listening to this.
There's ballerina damn.
The guy's voice to me alwayssounded like like he was a dude.
It was a carried a lunch pail,wore a hard hat, maybe worked on
(13:53):
construction or something, ordid something like that, very
blue collar.
And he'd be at work hammering.
I'm gonna sing away, because I'ma hammering on this two by four.
All you know, and like hisbuddies go, hey, uh, you know,
Vaughn, you know, during lunch,you ever thought about taking up
singing?
I you got a pretty good voice.
(14:15):
I know.
Isn't that weird?
But he's got like this voicethat doesn't sound like your
typical, I don't know, I don'tknow how to explain it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
You mustn't once forget a dancer has to dance the
parina.
SPEAKER_07 (14:36):
Then they had this guy, my mother had this record,
it was the greatest hits by thisguy, Bert Campford and his
orchestra.
So he's like a German bandleader, and he's actually the
guy that made that produced thefirst Beatles album.
We just talked about that on aprevious uh one, our Beatles
(14:57):
tour on one of my podcasts,where I brought that up to Ian,
who was our tour leader.
He's like, yes, that's exactlyright.
So this man, Bert Camford, wasresponsible.
I didn't know that as a kid, butI'd put this record on, and
there would be songs thatreminded me of game shows.
I think one of them was actuallyused uh in a game show with Tom
(15:20):
Kennedy or something.
I swear it was, but it would belike um Wonderland by Night, um
uh African Beat.
This is okay, so and I the thingabout this it is just this.
It's just this niche of musicthat has this incredibly, it's
(15:48):
like very old style.
I don't know how to describe it,I'll just play it.
But but it has the cool bass.
That's what I would alwaysremember.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
It's got boom, it's got the verypronounced bass, and I thought
it was even as a kid, I thought,well, you know what?
I like the fact that theyfeature the bass in the music.
Von I mean, this is uh BertCamport and his orchestra,
(16:12):
African beats.
(16:40):
You know, it was kind of I kid Iwanted it to be hokey in my
head, but I could never make itas I liked it.
I'm throwing on a lot actually.
You're like ten years oldgrooving to this.
(17:17):
I just explore somethingcompletely different musically.
If the guy's name was Hank, Iwas gonna get to know Hank.
Hank Williams got to know himfirst.
SPEAKER_02 (17:42):
What you got cooking?
How's about cooking something upwith me?
SPEAKER_07 (17:49):
Hank is right up there with my all-time favorite
artist, Hank Williams.
SPEAKER_02 (17:55):
Don't you think maybe we could find us a brand
new recipe.
SPEAKER_07 (18:04):
But again, if his name was Hank, I would know
about him.
And I gravitated towards him.
I back then I really liked, Ithink as the the older I get,
the more I liked Hank Williams.
When I was younger, I liked HankThompson.
SPEAKER_04 (18:20):
Hey, Mr.
Bartender came out the year Iwas born.
Please don't be so slow.
I got time for one more roundand a six pack to go.
Tomorrow morning, Sunday, I'mgonna be feeling low.
(18:41):
So please, please part tender.
I want a six pack to go.
SPEAKER_07 (18:47):
It felt like progressive country to me at
that time, like it was gr it ata badass beat.
Pardon my language.
SPEAKER_04 (18:56):
Just a hump beat, hump around.
Don't have enough to pay myrent.
I ain't gonna wear it to go.
I got time for one more round.
SPEAKER_08 (19:07):
And a six-pack to go.
SPEAKER_07 (19:09):
A fada nitty.
Like this cool kind ofrockabilly beat, man, 1960.
Hank Thompson, bats beach 361.
361.
Oh, check this part out.
Woo! Yeah.
(19:35):
Thank you, Mom.
More Hank, this guy.
Hank Snow.
He had this nasally voice Iremember thinking of, but I
liked it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
From old Montana down to Alabama and before and
I'll travel again.
If you drive a win and can'tkeep a good man down.
You doubt the cards, but youmissed the play.
So hit the road and be on yourway.
Come aboard the Golden Rocketand leave the stone.
I was a good engineer running ontime, but baby.
I'm switching to another line.
(20:08):
So honey never hang your signalout for me.
I'm tired of running on the sameold track.
Take it up on the back.
This golden rocket's gonna rollmy booze away.
SPEAKER_07 (20:19):
I remember he was the first artist I heard that
did I've been everywhere, man.
Yeah, got a little groove to it.
It wasn't like your typicalslow.
You know what I discovered is Iliked twang.
I liked twang.
I liked twang so much that mymother had this record.
(20:43):
So all those country songs arelike that kind of twang, had
that little pee appeal to it.
So I was probably, I don't know,eight or nine.
And I listened to this record.
And to this day, I rememberputting this record on, this
album on over and over as a kid,listening to it.
(21:03):
I gravitated towards this one,and it's called Twangin the
Golden Hits.
Dwayne Eddy Rebel Rouser.
(21:58):
Man, that's one you can dance toand it's just scroovy.
And the whole record was good.
I remember that be one rightafter the other.
(22:28):
So I've always been a big DwayneEddy fan because of that.
There were so many styles, sothat's one of the things I'm the
most appreciative of.
The Ames brothers.
Ed Ames, I you know, I mentionedDaniel Boone earlier.
And he was in the show DanielBoone.
(22:49):
Ed Ames played um Mingo andDaniel Boone.
And so I was kind of wow, he'sgood.
And so I my I realized that he'she sings too.
What?
He sings.
So he was part of this brothers'group, the Ames Brothers.
Whole different genre.
I'm really starting as I'm doingthis, as I'm talking.
(23:10):
I've never really thought aboutit as much as I am right now in
terms of the fact thatapparently the music that I was
gravitating towards all had thiskind of a groove or like a good
beat or something.
Now I'll probably play a bunchof slow stuff.
But this one I always liked, thethe Ames Brothers called a song
called Rag Mop.
I always find myself to thisday, I find myself singing or
(23:34):
whistling and singing this song.
My brother Steve, too.
SPEAKER_08 (23:44):
I say M O P M O P O P M O P G M I said A G R G G R G
(24:09):
G M O P P P Ragma Sorry, RagmaGiving a Good Beat.
SPEAKER_07 (24:31):
Then I remember So that's my memory of that.
Also, this one, boy, I don'tthink I've listened to this one
for so long.
I'm gonna have to just justlisten to this to try to
remember.
But I just remember the title.
I hope it's the right one.
I forgot to preview this one,but I remember running around
(24:53):
the coffee table chasing mybrothers.
Yeah, here it is.
As a little kid, yes.
We'd have a coffee table.
I was a little tyke chasing mybrother around.
My mom would be playing this onthe console.
Fiddle faddle.
Oh my god, this is like a dreamlistening to this.
(25:17):
Isn't this good chasing music?
I mean, it's perfect.
No wonder I was chasing mybrother.
(25:44):
I haven't heard this in decades.
It's like it yesterday.
Oh boy.
(26:04):
Wow, that one brings backmemories right there.
Then I would throw on this one.
It was like the student prince,Mario Lanza, and he starts
singing about drinking.
And now it rem I rememberthinking, it's so weird this
guy's he's in a suit, like thisweird prince suit.
SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
Drink, drink, drink two eyes and a hain on me.
Drink, drink, drink, red, andsweet as the fruit of the trees.
SPEAKER_07 (26:42):
This gotta get hit in it.
Watch this.
(27:33):
Then you want to get intoanother cool groove?
I'd throw on the Mills Brothers,another brother group, with
these great harmonies and bass.
SPEAKER_05 (27:48):
Everybody space.
SPEAKER_07 (27:53):
To this day, one of my favorite harmonizing bands.
SPEAKER_05 (28:04):
Don't stop the leader that it race.
SPEAKER_07 (28:46):
Uh, with such a gift that she turned me on to this
music.
The Mills Brothers forever oneof my favorites now.
Anytime you talk about bandsthat are or groups with the best
harmonies, they're always in thetop five for me.
SPEAKER_05 (29:04):
That's where I leave my future feet.
SPEAKER_07 (29:17):
I knew my mom was getting hip.
I'm a little kid, and suddenlythere's all of that music, which
is great, and but it's has thisolder sound.
And those are the sounds that Iwas used to up until that point.
Until one day, and if you livedin Sacramento, and I don't know
if they had these in otherplaces, but one night, actually,
(29:40):
early evening, we were inWhitefront.
Whitefront store, which is, Idon't know, maybe a predecessor
to I don't know, Gemco, Target,what have you.
They had furniture.
I'm looking back, you know,clothing probably, and
furniture, but certainly theyhad.
Had a record section.
(30:03):
And I remember one night we'rewalking through there.
And this is again, this is whenI knew my mom was kind of
getting to like some cool hippernew music.
And so we're walking through,and this is playing.
So, you know, at the recordstore, they play a record to
kind of draw people in.
But as we're walking down theaisle from the clothing aisle
(30:25):
towards the record section,there's a song playing on the
speaker, and she can hear it.
And she literally asks me.
Here's my mother in her 20s, I'msure, at the time.
She says, Pat, Patrick, what isthis song playing right now?
Do you know?
Well, I already knew the firstalbum with featuring Suzy Q, and
(30:49):
I said, Yeah, Mom, it's CredenceClearwater Revival.
Heard it through the grapevine.
To which she then made a beelineright toward the record store,
the record department.
(31:09):
Walked up, and I remember shewalked up to the guy.
My son says this is what is it,Patrick?
It's Credence Clearwater, herdedthrough the grapevine.
Do you have this record?
I guess you do, you're playingit.
Yes, we do, ma'am.
(31:30):
So I remember she bought thisrecord.
And after that, she became sucha fan of Credence Clearwater
Revival.
Like, man, anything, any song,any deep cut, anything you can
ever come up with with Credence.
(31:51):
Some of the deep cuts, I mean,Credence has so many great
songs, but some of their best,in my opinion, would be their
deep cuts that you don't hearall the time.
But I know those.
Why?
Because of my dear mother,Teresa Bernadette Walsh.
And I just wanted to rememberher today.
She made, I wanted to rememberher.
(32:13):
She made the best fried chickenin the world, bar none.
I don't care who else iswhatever.
No offense.
If you ask any one of my six, meor any of my brothers and
sisters, if you had one meal,it's your final meal, what you
get one last meal, what would itbe?
And I promise you, they wouldall say separately, uh, my
(32:35):
mother's fried chicken.
I don't know what she did tomake it.
I know she used one of thoselike 1970s kind of frying pans.
Remember the electric fryingpan?
And uh she'd make it like I'msure with a lot of Crisco oil,
but I'm telling you it was thegreatest thing ever.
And uh so that's just a littlefactoid about her, too.
(32:56):
We lost her in 2006, Labor Day,2006.
One of the two saddest days ofmy entire life.
I can honestly tell you that.
And another thing about mymother, boy did.
She loved the sound of music.
(33:17):
When I say love, that isn't evenI can barely that barely covers
it.
But she did, she loved it.
The day I was in Austria, themorning I was in Austria, and I
got to see that gazebo from thesound of music.
(33:38):
I just remember gettingemotional.
Well, mom, I'm here.
Rest in peace, mother, until wemeet again.
And thank you for listening toPat's Peeps three hundred and
sixty-one.
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