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November 10, 2022 36 mins

Part 2 of our story on the Tulsa Race Massacre looks at the historic lawsuit for reparations going on right now. We have a riveting conversation with Hughes Van Ellis, 101, one of three living survivors – and a plaintiff in that case. Guests Eric Miller and Kristi Williams return to give us the inside scoop on the case and the government’s literal coverup of possible mass graves.


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Guests: Kristi Williams, Eric Miller, Hughes Van Ellis


Hughes Van Ellis, 101, is a survivor of the Tulsa massacre. Along with his sister Viola Fletcher, 108, and Mother Randle, 108, he is a plaintiff in the Tulsa lawsuit that’s going forward in court. 

Kristi Williams is a Tulsa-based activist and organizer. She chairs the Greater Tulsa African American Affairs Commission. Kristi’s great-aunt Janie was a survivor of the Tulsa Race Massacre.

Eric Miller is a professor at Loyola Law School and an expert on reparations. He is co-counsel on the groundbreaking lawsuit filed by Justice For Greenwood, seeking reparations for the Tulsa massacre.

Highlights of episode:

[5:28]  Kristi Williams on the search for mass graves and a dispute over the number killed in the massacre

[11:07]  Tony, Adam, and Eric Miller on the reparations lawsuit in Tulsa

[15:29]  Tony on a new court ruling in the lawsui

[18:57] Hughes Van Ellis interview

[31:54]  Eric Miller reflects on a key question for reparations 

[34:34] What people can do to help 

Check out Justice For Greenwood’s reparations lawsuit for the Tulsa massacre.


Groups fighting for change in Tulsa:

  • Justice For Greenwood  Founded by Damario Solomon-Simmons, lead attorney for the Tulsa lawsuit and hero for civil rights in Oklahoma, this group is fighting for reparations for the massacre.
  • Terence Crutcher Foundation  Based in Tulsa, they are working to end racial violence, especially by police against unarmed Black men.



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