March 27, 2025 • 36 mins
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What a terrifying feeling to wake up after working for 45 years, grinding your life away, only to realize you screwed up… and there is no time left.
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What's up, Keaton?
I know you said you wanted some more videosfrom folks that listen to the per diem podcast.
So, I did have a question for you, and insteadof typing it out, I'm gonna send you a video.
I just started Corey Carlson's book, how to winat home.
And, you know, going through the first chapter,he talks about the personal vision statement.
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And I'm kinda wondering how, you know, youspent your, you know, several years from from a
young age Growing up in the business, thebusiness was probably you know, the dirt world
was probably a part of your identity, and andthe same things for me.
And I'm I'm just wondering how you managed andhow you were able to kinda separate your
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personal vision statement from the dirt world.
Because for me, I'm I'm so attached toconstruction, and it's such an integral part of
my identity.
I'm I'm a little scared of giving that up.
So any any thoughts you might have on thatwould be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Matt.
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God, I've been doing the same thing in the sameplace, working the same job for forty five
years.
You know that.
Shit just flew by.
What am I really even doing?
And, god, I know we rarely talk, but every dayI wake up, I feel like I feel like I blew it
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with my family, with her.
These kids around here don't have no one tolook up to.
It should've been me.
This job ain't me, man.
This ain't what I'm supposed to be doing in mylife, man.
Kinda
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morbid.
Kinda depressing.
David, man, I appreciate the video, brother.
Appreciate the the message.
That was audio that I thought would resonatewith with where you're at with your question.
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That is that is an intro to Big Sean's album,his album titled I Decided.
A lot of lot of things on that album.
It's an older album.
A lot of things on that album that I thinkresonate with a lot of us trying to chase
things in life or having regret in life,whatever.
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Pretty wild, you know?
It's it's so many of us.
We work the same job.
We take our wives on the same dates to the samerestaurants.
We do the same old, same old with our kids.
We don't ever really adventure out on any crazytrips.
We go to the same spot every year.
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And and you wake up one day, like that guy inthe intro, you wake up one day and you're like,
man, I've been doing this for forty years.
What happened?
I'm not the guy I thought I wanted to be.
I'm nowhere near close to who I wanted to be.
I wasn't the father I should have been.
I wasn't the husband I could have been.
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I didn't build my dreams that I had when I wasin my twenties and my thirties, in my teens.
It happens.
I think it happens in ninety nine percent ofthe population on earth.
You go through the motions.
There's a saying, you know, there's a sayingthat that's basically like, I've lived the same
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six months about a hundred different times, a20, a 30, a 50 different times.
I've lived the same six months, and I wake up.
I'm 80 years old, and life's over.
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I can't go do all the things I wanted to do.
I, my identity was tied to my career.
My identity was tied to my job.
My identity was tied to the business I wantedto build.
And now what?
That career's over.
That job's gone.
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They filled my role with somebody else.
It only took them three days.
I was in that role for forty two years.
It only took them three days to find somebodyelse for my job.
You hand the business off or you sell it.
It's a it's it's not a fun topic.
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David, I appreciate the video.
I appreciate the message.
I have two answers.
I think there's two ways to look at thisbecause I I am I'm very, very in tune with the
potential that I have to associate my identitywith my company and my success, especially
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because the company is named Turner.
Both companies, actually.
So it's super easy for me to associate myidentity with how successful my companies are.
I think it's I think it's normal.
I think that's a human that's a that's anatural human tendency.
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But I have a couple different ways to thinkabout the answer here.
There is the religious path I can go down, andI and I will tiptoe down this very briefly, and
then I'll quickly revert back to the otherpath.
The religious path.
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You believe there is a God, stick with me.
If if you're not religious or you're antireligious or atheist, whatever, stick with me
for two minutes.
I'm not trying to convert you to my religion.
I'm just telling you my perspective.
If you believe there is a God, which I think alot of people, whether you're religious or not,
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whether you're a Christian or not, Catholic,whatever, there are a lot of people, majority
of the planet, believe there is some sort ofGod.
And so my religion, Christianity, says that ifyou believe there's a God, and you believe that
God sent a human to earth to die for our sins,Jesus Christ, and that human died for our sins,
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you know, passed away.
They put him in a tomb.
A couple days later, three days later, the tombwas rolled away.
He was not there.
If you believe all that, then you shouldimmediately thereafter believe that no matter
what you do on earth, no matter if you're anathlete, famous athlete, right, going to the
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NBA, NFL, prolific entrepreneur, you start abunch of companies, a solopreneur, you start
one company, or you just work in a job forforty five years.
That's not your identity.
If you believe what I believe, on my best daysin business, I believe that I'm the man.
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My companies are killing it.
How could I miss a shot?
I'm the best.
Right?
I I built this thing from nothing.
Sure.
I definitely had some help with some people,but look at me.
I'm the man.
On my best days in business, I think I'msuccessful because my companies are successful.
Keaton Turner is somebody important because mycompanies are important.
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That's what I believe in my best days inbusiness.
On my worst days in business, I believe I'm anidiot.
I'm a nobody.
I'm a loser.
My companies are failing.
How how in the world could we miss thatfinancial target?
How could we lose that contract?
How could that customer get upset with us?
What are we doing?
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On my worst days in business, I get in mytruck, get in my Bronco, and I look at myself
and say, what are we doing?
What am I doing?
There's one thing true on both of those days,on the best day in business and the worst day
in business.
Someday, the business is gonna be in somebodyelse's hands, or it's gonna be nonexistent.
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Someday, I'm gonna be laying in a hospital bed.
Hopefully, I'm in my nineties if I can livethat long.
Hope hopefully, someday, I'm in hospital bed oror ideally, my bed at home surrounded by people
I actually care about, and the business doesn'tmatter at that point.
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I think what matters at that point is how did Iuse the time I had on earth to fulfill what was
my ultimate mission?
My ultimate mission is not to build a businessand stack up cash.
It's a fun thing to do and go focus on everyday, but it's not the ultimate mission.
Can't take the cash with you.
You can't make sure you can leave it behind.
You can leave a legacy behind.
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You can do good things, be philanthropic.
You can give your life your, you know, yourkids and their kids and their kids, better
lives than you had.
Sure.
You can do all those things.
But they're just gonna get to the end of theirlives and not take any of money with them
either.
And we only get eighty or ninety years here onearth.
Some of us get less than that.
And so if you believe what I believe, the thereligious path here, David, when you associate
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your identity to your business or your careeror your profession, you're missing the biggest
picture that life has to offer, and that isthat your identity should be found in your
creator.
Your identity should be found in in really whyyou're here on earth, and that's to give glory
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back to the one that put you here, in myopinion.
That's to tell everybody else the story aboutthe person who put us here.
And so that's the religious path.
On the best days in business, I have got toremind myself my my success, albeit very short
lived in the window of eternity, my successhere on earth for forty, fifty, sixty years,
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eighty years, is not my identity.
And on the worst days in business, my biggestfailures, my biggest losses, my million dollar
mistakes, my $5,000,000 mistakes, That's not myidentity.
It's hard to do in the heat of the moment.
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It's very hard to do.
I've struggled with this for years.
I think I'll probably always struggle withthis.
Like, because, again, I think this is a naturalhuman phenomenon.
I think we so easily, we associate our identityto our house, our income, and our outward
appearance to others.
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Or how do we appear to everyone else around us?
I think that's how we kind of define if we'resuccessful or not in life.
And, and you can listen to all kinds ofinterviews from old people.
Johnny Cash has got a really good interview.
He's on his deathbed.
There's a lot of others, and I listen to thiskind of stuff.
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I'm into it.
I'm into, like, the end of life thing, and Iknow it's a little morbid.
None of them talk about their achievements.
None of them.
They all realize at the end, wait a second, I II got confused.
I spent my whole life confused.
I got mixed up on what the priority was.
I thought it was money.
I thought it was fame.
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I thought it was success and cars and things.
I have not heard one interview at the end oflife of someone successful who still valued all
those things that they tied their identity to.
I've not heard one.
If someone can find an interview of someone atthe end of life giving a proclamation of how
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much they appreciated associating theiridentity with things and success and outward
appearance of them.
If you can find that, send it to me.
I'll send you a whole box of free swag.
I'll send you some fun stuff.
If you can find one, send it to me.
I I think it'd be hard to find.
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Every single end of life interview I've seen,Johnny Cash was one.
Steve Jobs kinda has a pseudo end of life thingwhere he he you know, it it's kind of
interesting.
There's several.
I've listened to several of them.
I've read several of them.
They always, always, always realize at the endof life, I got confused.
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I got distracted.
My life flew by, and I was distracted the wholetime on what was actually important, and I had
my identity tied up in the wrong things.
So that's the religious path.
I will talk more about that as the yearunfolds.
If any of you guys wanna talk about that one onone, please reach out to me.
Happy to share more there.
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I just believe that to be the truth.
That's why I led with that one.
My coach Corey just said a couple days ago, youknow, as this podcast has picked up steam and
gained some success and more followers and soon and so forth, Corey reminded me.
He's like, hey, dude.
Just remember, your identity is not yourpodcast.
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It's not your business.
It's not what people think of you when theyhear your voice on on the radio.
It that's not your identity.
And I was like, man, that's a great reminder.
So David, that's the that's the first andforemost answer.
I believe that to be the source of truth.
Let me go non religious for a second.
For everybody else that just sat through thefive or ten minutes of that, there is a non
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religious angle.
And the non religious angle for me is theexample of Gary Vaynerchuk.
If you don't know who Gary Vaynerchuk is, lookhim up.
He's not religious or at least I don't know himto be religious.
He doesn't use language that would that wouldparticularly give the nod that he's religious.
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But Gary Gary Vee as he go he goes by Gary Vee.
Vaynerchuk is his last name.
Widely successful businessman.
Widely successful.
He is kinda best known in the early days.
He was an early investor in Facebook.
He was an early investor in Uber, Twitter, soon and so forth.
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He he grew up very poor.
His parents were immigrants.
His dad bought a little liquor store, and GaryVaynerchuk worked in the family liquor store
until he was like 30 years old, stockingshelves, selling wine, so on and so forth.
Gary started a wine, kind of how he got hisstart, he started a wine show on YouTube.
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This was way back before YouTube was a thing,and he would open wines from his family's
liquor store.
He'd open wines, pour them, and try them, andin a very unconventional way, he would dumb
down wine reviews.
You know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago,wine reviews, it was all very hoity toity.
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You know, you had to have a sommelier thatkinda explain wine.
Gary was like, no.
Here's what this wine tastes like.
It tastes like a pack of tennis balls that youopen and chew on one.
It tastes like a pack of gum.
This tastes like grass.
It was it was kind of a very and he's got amassive personality.
And so Gary, for ten years, did wine wine awine show on on YouTube.
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He later then takes some money that he hadsaved up, puts it all into some of these
investments like YouTube, Uber, Twitter, notYouTube, Twitter, Uber, so on and so forth.
Obviously makes a ton of money.
Makes a few hundred million dollars on some ofthese investments.
He then later starts a marketing company, andthis is where this is where it gets
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interesting.
Gary was known as the wine guy.
It's what he was known for.
He would go to these tech conferences andpeople would be like, dude, what are you doing
here?
You don't know anything about tech?
You don't know anything about media ormarketing.
You're a wine guy that films yourself on acheap little camera and posts it on YouTube.
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You're a wine guy.
Stay in the wine lane.
And that was that was kind of his that was whathe was known for.
People put him that was his identity.
If you if you if anyone asks, like, who's GaryVee?
This is back fifteen years ago.
Who's Gary Vee fifteen years ago?
He's the wine guy that dumbs wind down foreverybody else.
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Gary was intent on not making that hisidentity, and so what he did was prove to
everyone else that, no, I've got a lot more tooffer.
I can be an investor.
I can run a marketing firm.
He now runs a massive marketing agency,marketing firm.
He started, you know, his own Gary Vee AudioExperience, which is a phenomenal podcast.
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I think for a long time, he was dropping apodcast every day, so I might have even stole
stolen his idea for my podcast.
Gary was a massive influence on my wife, on mylife when I was building my business because I
love everything he does.
And so, David, I think it's really easy.
If you're, if you are born and raised in thedirt business and you've lived your whole life
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in the dirt business and and that's you, that'syour identity, that's you that's that's who you
think you are, my first question would be, isthere anything wrong with that?
Is that is that what you want?
Again, not considering the religious path,let's set that aside for a second.
If you want to be known as the dirt mover,David the dirt mover, dirt business is your
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thing, Like, part of me says, okay, well, go bethe best at that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You know, every little suburb of America,there's the one attorney or lawyer that has his
face plastered all over every billboard, everybus, every bus stop, all the basketball games
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and football games, the response.
You know, everyone knows that one attorney intheir town because their faces are all over
them.
Maybe it's the doctor or the surgeon.
In my town, it's Ken Nunn.
You cannot drive around Central Indiana withoutseeing a picture of an old white haired guy on
every bus, every billboard, every magazine youopen.
I I would hate to know what the guy spends onmarketing a year.
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His identity is his law firm.
That's that's that's him.
When you think of injury lawyer in CentralIndiana, you think of Ken Nunn.
And so a part of me, David, says, okay.
Is it is it the worst thing in the world thatyou're known and your identity is tied up as as
a dirt mover?
Now if you don't want that to be the case, I'dI'd then pivot to say, okay.
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What do you want your identity to be?
I, for a lot of reasons, did not want myidentity to be mining guy because I'm not a
mining guy.
I happen to run a mining business, but I'm nota mining guy.
I think if you could ask anybody that's anactual mining person yeah.
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If you ask Tucker, Jensen, Tucker's our Tuckerruns all operations across our company,
maintenance, safety, field operations.
He's the guy.
If you ask Tucker, is Keaton Turner a miner?
Is he a mining guy?
Tucker would probably laugh and say, well, Imean, you know, he he knows enough to be
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dangerous.
You know?
He's he's built a mining company or he'sbuilding a mining company.
You know?
I would argue we haven't even built one yet,but he's building a mining company.
But I would I would kinda not assign him as amining guy, And that's because, quite frankly,
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I'm not a mining guy.
There there are people way way more into miningthan I am.
I'm also not a staffing guy.
Like, I don't know anything about staffingbusinesses.
I know enough down to be dangerous because westarted one.
I know talent.
I know people.
I like marketing.
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I like sales.
But, again, I don't wanna be cornered into anyone thing with my career.
This this podcast is not a mining podcast.
It's not a dirt moving podcast.
It's not even a business podcast.
It's very broad.
There are days where I talk about the mostrandom things, and there are days where I talk
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about something that has to do with mining orsomething that has to do with business.
And so for me, David, I think I I think, again,your identity should not be tied to any one
profession or any results that you produce, inthe way of, you know, earthly defined success.
But if you're worried that your identity isgonna be tied up in your profession, I'd take a
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step back and say, am I cool with that or not?
If I'm not cool with that, then I would build aplan and make it known that I'm not gonna let
my identity tied up in my profession.
I'd like to probably know more, David, aboutyour situation to give any any deeper advice.
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Right?
Kids, wife, what do you do for hobbies, youknow, all those sorts of things.
There are a couple guys I know that are thebest at what they do, and they don't care about
any other part of their life.
They don't care about relationships.
They don't have kids.
They don't intend to have kids.
They don't go to church.
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They, like, they care about their profession,that's it.
You see a lot of people in health care thisway, especially like surgeons,
anesthesiologists, people that are on call allthe time, like weekends or in scrubs.
They come to a baby shower.
They've got their beeper on.
They're in scrubs.
They might leave at any given time to go intosurgery.
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That is them, and that's what they I I thinkmost of them, that's what they want their
identity to be.
That that's what they're passionate about.
And so, you know, for me, I I would lead withpassion.
If you're not super passionate about what youridentity is currently tied up in, figure out
what you're passionate about.
And then you should be okay that your kind ofearthly identity is tied up into those things.
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I'm passionate about mining.
I'm not a mining guy, but I'm super passionateabout it.
I think I think mining in America is thecoolest thing in the world.
That's why I'm doing it, to be honest with you.
So I'm passionate about it.
I'm happy if people assign my identity to that.
It's it's not that, and I know it's not that.
But I think that's where it really depends on Idon't know.
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I'm giving you a little bit of vague answerhere on the second path.
But if you're in dirt moving and you wanna bein I'll make up something.
You wanna be a race car driver, like, how howdo you tiptoe towards that?
How do you start talking about that?
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The beauty of the beauty of living in America,especially this day and age with technology,
you can change your identity on a Tuesday at3PM at for zero cost.
Literally.
You can start a podcast.
You can start a new YouTube channel.
You can start a new Instagram page, a newTwitter.
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You can just start talking about things.
You can act like you know what you're talkingabout, and people people buy into it and
believe it.
But that's the beauty of living in America thisday and age is, especially for free, you can
change your identity pretty much overnight andwhat people know you for.
Now it's gonna be weird for a while.
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I'll just say that.
It's gonna be weird for a while.
If I stopped Turner Mining Group tomorrow andstarted Turner Turner's women's swimsuit line.
I'm making something up.
Like, that's gonna be weird.
People are gonna be like, what's the guy doing?
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He must have lost his mind.
They must have put the wrong kind of mushroomson his pizza or something.
But if I attack a women's swimsuit business theway I've attacked our mining business, you give
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me eight years, I got the best selling women'sswimsuit line on the planet.
I'm I'm just confident.
I need a little help.
I'd have to change the staff around a littlebit.
Our current staff might not work for a women'sswimsuit company, but I could change my
identity and what I'm chasing after if I werepassionate about it pretty much overnight.
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And people are gonna think it's weird.
People are gonna question it.
People are gonna talk about it and gossip.
That's okay.
You produce enough results.
It makes sense.
Michael Jordan, again, you guys probably gettired of me relating things back to sports.
Michael Jordan was the best on the planet atthis.
Now I say that.
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He kinda quickly changed course, But in theprime of his career, the height of his career,
run three world championships in a row, hequits playing basketball and starts playing
baseball.
Think about that.
Think about changing your identity.
This was this was twenty years ago.
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Actually, thirty years ago.
Mid nineties.
Change his identity overnight.
I'm no longer a basketball player.
He sat in a press conference with the worldwatching right after winning his third
championship in a row and said, hey.
I'm no longer a basketball player.
I'm a baseball player now.
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And everyone's like, what?
What are you talking about?
You never played baseball.
He's like, well, yeah, I kinda did in middleschool.
I kinda did in high school a little bit, butI'm gonna go play Major League Baseball.
It's the wildest thing ever.
If you're not familiar with it, go read aboutit.
There's documentaries on it.
That's really cool.
Now, ultimately, his baseball career was kindof short lived, but he did get some hits.
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He did make he did he, you know, he did getpicked up on a team, did get drafted, or picked
up on a team.
And and then ultimately, he said, you knowwhat?
I tried it.
Baseball's really hard.
It's hard to hit that little white ball comingat you a hundred miles an hour.
I'm gonna go back to basketball.
And then he went back to basketball and won onemore world titles.
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And so if if he could do it being known acrossthe world as one thing, if he could do it
thirty years ago, I think anybody that's in asmall business this day and age can do it
overnight.
You know, it it would be it would be reallyinteresting.
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There's other people who have done it.
Right?
Again, love him, hate him, don't even wannahear his name mentioned, I'm gonna mention it.
Donald Trump did this.
Donald Trump was New York's most lovedcelebrity.
He was the unofficial mayor of New York.
You listen to anybody talk about Donald Trump.
You go back and watch old tapes of OprahWinfrey before Donald ever got into politics.
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He was the most loved person in New York, andthen one day, he says, you
know
what?
I'm not a businessman anymore.
I'm not a real estate mogul.
I'm a politician, And he's never said thewords, I'm a politician, but you get the point.
He completely changed his identity, and it wasvery confusing for a lot of people.
A lot of people didn't like it.
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A lot of people still don't like it.
So, David, I don't know if that helps.
I think it takes real intention.
If you just let life happen to you, of course,identity is going to be tied to something.
If you just wake up one day in forty years, Ithink you're gonna I think you and everybody
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else, me included, will will realize, wait asecond.
I had no plan.
I had I didn't I was asleep at the wheel.
I didn't think about what this would look likeat the end of my life.
I didn't realize, you know, that if I stackedup ten, twenty, thirty million dollars in my
account, I didn't realize that wasn't gonna doit for me at the end of my life.
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I thought that was gonna be the thing, and andit's because they were asleep at the wheel and
didn't have a plan, didn't know what wasimportant to them, and, and never really
questioned it.
Maybe they just didn't have anybody in theirlife to challenge them to think about it, But I
think about it all the time.
All the time.
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I was I was talking to Jeff yesterday, andwe've got a trip coming up.
It's really it's a business trip, but we'regonna have some fun.
We were just talking about that a little bit.
He goes, you know, man, I've had so much fun inTurner Mining Group, and I can't wait for more
of it.
I'm like, well, it's interesting you say that,Jeff, because in my early years of starting the
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business, it was all just head down, grind yourface off, stay alive.
There was it wasn't I don't remember any tripsthat were just fun.
I remember being stressed out of my mind, andevery trip I went on was an absolute whirlwind.
I was on the phone the whole time.
I was on email.
I I remember I can't tell you how many planerides I remember landing, turning my phone on,
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and it just being absolute, like my whole bodyfilled with anxiety because of all the fires
that were going on in my life.
This job's on fire.
This guy quit.
Equipment won't run.
Like, it was chaos.
I don't remember any fun.
There was not one part of fun that I canremember really in the first three years.
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I can't remember it vividly.
Now I could go back and scroll through some oldpictures and stuff and maybe maybe come up with
something, but I don't remember any fun.
The last couple years, as I've really startedto think more about end of life stuff and, you
know, what's important and how do I reallyimpact people, and and try to think beyond just
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how do I make a bunch of money, I've startednoticing myself adding trips that I would have
normally said no to, and I've added thembecause they're fun, and they're with people
that I have fun with.
And for me, it's been really easy to look backover the last, oh, probably a year and a half,
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two years when I started doing this, maybethree years, and remembering, oh, wow.
That was that was fun.
I remember doing that.
And so I just I just say that because it wouldhave been really easy for me to keep my head
down and grind my face off and wake up in fortyyears with a bunch of money and a big business,
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and my body is no longer able to go have fun.
I'm I'm no longer able to go make memories.
I don't have the influence to impact people andand share the gospel and do all the things I
wanna do with my life.
I don't have the impact to go talk to youngkids about how they can change their life, and
so I just I wasted it all.
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I built it all for me.
I was selfish, and, you know, I think it'ssuper easy to do.
I think a lot of people do it.
I think a lot of business owners do it.
I think a lot of, career driven people do it,and hopefully, this is a little reminder to
stop, think about what's important.
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Think about what you're putting your identityin or what you're assigning it to, and think
about the end of your life, really, for asecond.
Just think about there's there are definitelytimes there are chapter I know some people are
gonna hear this and think, yeah, but I'm in achapter.
I gotta go stack cash right now so that I canretire and do the okay.
That's fine.
I'm all for that.
If you're gonna be head down, I talked about,one arm trades yesterday, talk you know,
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talking about him in a ten year window of hislife grinding his face off as that's love that.
That's great.
Go stack a bunch of cash where you don't havekids and you can travel and do all the things,
but don't get asleep at the wheel.
Don't fall asleep at the wheel.
Don't wake up and realize, oh, wait a second.
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That five year stint I promised myself, I'm onyear fifteen.
I'm 50 years old now.
What happened?
I was just in my thirties.
Just a I just feel like it was just a few daysago.
Was in my thirties.
I was just gonna do this for five years, gonnamake a bunch of money, and I was gonna settle
down with a woman and have kids, and and thenyou wake up when you're 50.
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Don't fall asleep at the wheel.
That is what I've got for you guys today.
Thank you so much for the message.
David, thank you so much, buddy.
I I appreciate it, and, I hope this helped you.
If you wanna talk more about either one ofthose two paths, both the religious, the
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religious one and the nonreligious one, let meknow.
Happy to happy to chat through it.
But that's that's how I think about it.
If Michael Jordan can go from best basketballplayer in the world to the worst baseball worst
major leaguer in the world overnight, I thinkyou can pretty much do anything you want with
your identity.
So, thank you guys for listening.
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Hope you're killing it.
I I think this is episode ninety ninety plussomething.
So we're we're getting up there.
I hope you're killing it.
I hope you're getting your per diem.
Thanks for following along.
And and several of you guys are still dead tome, by the way.
Several of them.
I could name names.
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I'm not gonna do that.
I would never I would never call Patton out onthe podcast for listening to this podcast every
morning.
First thing he does in life is listen in myvoice and not leave a review.
I would never call somebody out by name likeJake for listening to this day after day,
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getting the best advice he's ever gotten in hislife.
I would never call Jake out for listening tothis and not leaving a review on the podcast
app.
But for the rest of you guys that that arelistening and have left a review, I really
appreciate it.
I really do.
It means a lot.
So thank you guys for listening.
Hope you have a great day, and I hope you tuneback in tomorrow.
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Later.
What's up, Keaton?
I know you said you wanted some more videosfrom folks that listen to the per diem podcast.
So, I did have a question for you, and insteadof typing it out, I'm gonna send you a video.
I just started Corey Carlson's book, how to winat home.
And, you know, going through the first chapter,he talks about the personal vision statement.
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And I'm kinda wondering how, you know, youspent your, you know, several years from from a
young age Growing up in the business, thebusiness was probably you know, the dirt world
was probably a part of your identity, and andthe same things for me.
And I'm I'm just wondering how you managed andhow you were able to kinda separate your
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personal vision statement from the dirt world.
Because for me, I'm I'm so attached toconstruction, and it's such an integral part of
my identity.
I'm I'm a little scared of giving that up.
So any any thoughts you might have on thatwould be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Matt.
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God, I've been doing the same thing in the sameplace, working the same job for forty five
years.
You know that.
Shit just flew by.
What am I really even doing?
And, god, I know we rarely talk, but every dayI wake up, I feel like I feel like I blew it
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with my family, with her.
These kids around here don't have no one tolook up to.
It should've been me.
This job ain't me, man.
This ain't what I'm supposed to be doing in mylife, man.
Kinda
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morbid.
Kinda depressing.
David, man, I appreciate the video, brother.
Appreciate the the message.
That was audio that I thought would resonatewith with where you're at with your question.
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That is that is an intro to Big Sean's album,his album titled I Decided.
A lot of lot of things on that album.
It's an older album.
A lot of things on that album that I thinkresonate with a lot of us trying to chase
things in life or having regret in life,whatever.
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Pretty wild, you know?
It's it's so many of us.
We work the same job.
We take our wives on the same dates to the samerestaurants.
We do the same old, same old with our kids.
We don't ever really adventure out on any crazytrips.
We go to the same spot every year.
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And and you wake up one day, like that guy inthe intro, you wake up one day and you're like,
man, I've been doing this for forty years.
What happened?
I'm not the guy I thought I wanted to be.
I'm nowhere near close to who I wanted to be.
I wasn't the father I should have been.
I wasn't the husband I could have been.
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I didn't build my dreams that I had when I wasin my twenties and my thirties, in my teens.
It happens.
I think it happens in ninety nine percent ofthe population on earth.
You go through the motions.
There's a saying, you know, there's a sayingthat that's basically like, I've lived the same
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six months about a hundred different times, a20, a 30, a 50 different times.
I've lived the same six months, and I wake up.
I'm 80 years old, and life's over.
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I can't go do all the things I wanted to do.
I, my identity was tied to my career.
My identity was tied to my job.
My identity was tied to the business I wantedto build.
And now what?
That career's over.
That job's gone.
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They filled my role with somebody else.
It only took them three days.
I was in that role for forty two years.
It only took them three days to find somebodyelse for my job.
You hand the business off or you sell it.
It's a it's it's not a fun topic.
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David, I appreciate the video.
I appreciate the message.
I have two answers.
I think there's two ways to look at thisbecause I I am I'm very, very in tune with the
potential that I have to associate my identitywith my company and my success, especially
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because the company is named Turner.
Both companies, actually.
So it's super easy for me to associate myidentity with how successful my companies are.
I think it's I think it's normal.
I think that's a human that's a that's anatural human tendency.
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But I have a couple different ways to thinkabout the answer here.
There is the religious path I can go down, andI and I will tiptoe down this very briefly, and
then I'll quickly revert back to the otherpath.
The religious path.
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You believe there is a God, stick with me.
If if you're not religious or you're antireligious or atheist, whatever, stick with me
for two minutes.
I'm not trying to convert you to my religion.
I'm just telling you my perspective.
If you believe there is a God, which I think alot of people, whether you're religious or not,
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whether you're a Christian or not, Catholic,whatever, there are a lot of people, majority
of the planet, believe there is some sort ofGod.
And so my religion, Christianity, says that ifyou believe there's a God, and you believe that
God sent a human to earth to die for our sins,Jesus Christ, and that human died for our sins,
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you know, passed away.
They put him in a tomb.
A couple days later, three days later, the tombwas rolled away.
He was not there.
If you believe all that, then you shouldimmediately thereafter believe that no matter
what you do on earth, no matter if you're anathlete, famous athlete, right, going to the
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NBA, NFL, prolific entrepreneur, you start abunch of companies, a solopreneur, you start
one company, or you just work in a job forforty five years.
That's not your identity.
If you believe what I believe, on my best daysin business, I believe that I'm the man.
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My companies are killing it.
How could I miss a shot?
I'm the best.
Right?
I I built this thing from nothing.
Sure.
I definitely had some help with some people,but look at me.
I'm the man.
On my best days in business, I think I'msuccessful because my companies are successful.
Keaton Turner is somebody important because mycompanies are important.
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That's what I believe in my best days inbusiness.
On my worst days in business, I believe I'm anidiot.
I'm a nobody.
I'm a loser.
My companies are failing.
How how in the world could we miss thatfinancial target?
How could we lose that contract?
How could that customer get upset with us?
What are we doing?
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On my worst days in business, I get in mytruck, get in my Bronco, and I look at myself
and say, what are we doing?
What am I doing?
There's one thing true on both of those days,on the best day in business and the worst day
in business.
Someday, the business is gonna be in somebodyelse's hands, or it's gonna be nonexistent.
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Someday, I'm gonna be laying in a hospital bed.
Hopefully, I'm in my nineties if I can livethat long.
Hope hopefully, someday, I'm in hospital bed oror ideally, my bed at home surrounded by people
I actually care about, and the business doesn'tmatter at that point.
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I think what matters at that point is how did Iuse the time I had on earth to fulfill what was
my ultimate mission?
My ultimate mission is not to build a businessand stack up cash.
It's a fun thing to do and go focus on everyday, but it's not the ultimate mission.
Can't take the cash with you.
You can't make sure you can leave it behind.
You can leave a legacy behind.
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You can do good things, be philanthropic.
You can give your life your, you know, yourkids and their kids and their kids, better
lives than you had.
Sure.
You can do all those things.
But they're just gonna get to the end of theirlives and not take any of money with them
either.
And we only get eighty or ninety years here onearth.
Some of us get less than that.
And so if you believe what I believe, the thereligious path here, David, when you associate
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your identity to your business or your careeror your profession, you're missing the biggest
picture that life has to offer, and that isthat your identity should be found in your
creator.
Your identity should be found in in really whyyou're here on earth, and that's to give glory
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back to the one that put you here, in myopinion.
That's to tell everybody else the story aboutthe person who put us here.
And so that's the religious path.
On the best days in business, I have got toremind myself my my success, albeit very short
lived in the window of eternity, my successhere on earth for forty, fifty, sixty years,
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eighty years, is not my identity.
And on the worst days in business, my biggestfailures, my biggest losses, my million dollar
mistakes, my $5,000,000 mistakes, That's not myidentity.
It's hard to do in the heat of the moment.
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It's very hard to do.
I've struggled with this for years.
I think I'll probably always struggle withthis.
Like, because, again, I think this is a naturalhuman phenomenon.
I think we so easily, we associate our identityto our house, our income, and our outward
appearance to others.
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Or how do we appear to everyone else around us?
I think that's how we kind of define if we'resuccessful or not in life.
And, and you can listen to all kinds ofinterviews from old people.
Johnny Cash has got a really good interview.
He's on his deathbed.
There's a lot of others, and I listen to thiskind of stuff.
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I'm into it.
I'm into, like, the end of life thing, and Iknow it's a little morbid.
None of them talk about their achievements.
None of them.
They all realize at the end, wait a second, I II got confused.
I spent my whole life confused.
I got mixed up on what the priority was.
I thought it was money.
I thought it was fame.
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I thought it was success and cars and things.
I have not heard one interview at the end oflife of someone successful who still valued all
those things that they tied their identity to.
I've not heard one.
If someone can find an interview of someone atthe end of life giving a proclamation of how
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much they appreciated associating theiridentity with things and success and outward
appearance of them.
If you can find that, send it to me.
I'll send you a whole box of free swag.
I'll send you some fun stuff.
If you can find one, send it to me.
I I think it'd be hard to find.
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Every single end of life interview I've seen,Johnny Cash was one.
Steve Jobs kinda has a pseudo end of life thingwhere he he you know, it it's kind of
interesting.
There's several.
I've listened to several of them.
I've read several of them.
They always, always, always realize at the endof life, I got confused.
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I got distracted.
My life flew by, and I was distracted the wholetime on what was actually important, and I had
my identity tied up in the wrong things.
So that's the religious path.
I will talk more about that as the yearunfolds.
If any of you guys wanna talk about that one onone, please reach out to me.
Happy to share more there.
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I just believe that to be the truth.
That's why I led with that one.
My coach Corey just said a couple days ago, youknow, as this podcast has picked up steam and
gained some success and more followers and soon and so forth, Corey reminded me.
He's like, hey, dude.
Just remember, your identity is not yourpodcast.
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It's not your business.
It's not what people think of you when theyhear your voice on on the radio.
It that's not your identity.
And I was like, man, that's a great reminder.
So David, that's the that's the first andforemost answer.
I believe that to be the source of truth.
Let me go non religious for a second.
For everybody else that just sat through thefive or ten minutes of that, there is a non
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religious angle.
And the non religious angle for me is theexample of Gary Vaynerchuk.
If you don't know who Gary Vaynerchuk is, lookhim up.
He's not religious or at least I don't know himto be religious.
He doesn't use language that would that wouldparticularly give the nod that he's religious.
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But Gary Gary Vee as he go he goes by Gary Vee.
Vaynerchuk is his last name.
Widely successful businessman.
Widely successful.
He is kinda best known in the early days.
He was an early investor in Facebook.
He was an early investor in Uber, Twitter, soon and so forth.
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He he grew up very poor.
His parents were immigrants.
His dad bought a little liquor store, and GaryVaynerchuk worked in the family liquor store
until he was like 30 years old, stockingshelves, selling wine, so on and so forth.
Gary started a wine, kind of how he got hisstart, he started a wine show on YouTube.
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This was way back before YouTube was a thing,and he would open wines from his family's
liquor store.
He'd open wines, pour them, and try them, andin a very unconventional way, he would dumb
down wine reviews.
You know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago,wine reviews, it was all very hoity toity.
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You know, you had to have a sommelier thatkinda explain wine.
Gary was like, no.
Here's what this wine tastes like.
It tastes like a pack of tennis balls that youopen and chew on one.
It tastes like a pack of gum.
This tastes like grass.
It was it was kind of a very and he's got amassive personality.
And so Gary, for ten years, did wine wine awine show on on YouTube.
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He later then takes some money that he hadsaved up, puts it all into some of these
investments like YouTube, Uber, Twitter, notYouTube, Twitter, Uber, so on and so forth.
Obviously makes a ton of money.
Makes a few hundred million dollars on some ofthese investments.
He then later starts a marketing company, andthis is where this is where it gets
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interesting.
Gary was known as the wine guy.
It's what he was known for.
He would go to these tech conferences andpeople would be like, dude, what are you doing
here?
You don't know anything about tech?
You don't know anything about media ormarketing.
You're a wine guy that films yourself on acheap little camera and posts it on YouTube.
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You're a wine guy.
Stay in the wine lane.
And that was that was kind of his that was whathe was known for.
People put him that was his identity.
If you if you if anyone asks, like, who's GaryVee?
This is back fifteen years ago.
Who's Gary Vee fifteen years ago?
He's the wine guy that dumbs wind down foreverybody else.
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Gary was intent on not making that hisidentity, and so what he did was prove to
everyone else that, no, I've got a lot more tooffer.
I can be an investor.
I can run a marketing firm.
He now runs a massive marketing agency,marketing firm.
He started, you know, his own Gary Vee AudioExperience, which is a phenomenal podcast.
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I think for a long time, he was dropping apodcast every day, so I might have even stole
stolen his idea for my podcast.
Gary was a massive influence on my wife, on mylife when I was building my business because I
love everything he does.
And so, David, I think it's really easy.
If you're, if you are born and raised in thedirt business and you've lived your whole life
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in the dirt business and and that's you, that'syour identity, that's you that's that's who you
think you are, my first question would be, isthere anything wrong with that?
Is that is that what you want?
Again, not considering the religious path,let's set that aside for a second.
If you want to be known as the dirt mover,David the dirt mover, dirt business is your
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thing, Like, part of me says, okay, well, go bethe best at that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You know, every little suburb of America,there's the one attorney or lawyer that has his
face plastered all over every billboard, everybus, every bus stop, all the basketball games
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and football games, the response.
You know, everyone knows that one attorney intheir town because their faces are all over
them.
Maybe it's the doctor or the surgeon.
In my town, it's Ken Nunn.
You cannot drive around Central Indiana withoutseeing a picture of an old white haired guy on
every bus, every billboard, every magazine youopen.
I I would hate to know what the guy spends onmarketing a year.
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His identity is his law firm.
That's that's that's him.
When you think of injury lawyer in CentralIndiana, you think of Ken Nunn.
And so a part of me, David, says, okay.
Is it is it the worst thing in the world thatyou're known and your identity is tied up as as
a dirt mover?
Now if you don't want that to be the case, I'dI'd then pivot to say, okay.
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What do you want your identity to be?
I, for a lot of reasons, did not want myidentity to be mining guy because I'm not a
mining guy.
I happen to run a mining business, but I'm nota mining guy.
I think if you could ask anybody that's anactual mining person yeah.
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If you ask Tucker, Jensen, Tucker's our Tuckerruns all operations across our company,
maintenance, safety, field operations.
He's the guy.
If you ask Tucker, is Keaton Turner a miner?
Is he a mining guy?
Tucker would probably laugh and say, well, Imean, you know, he he knows enough to be
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dangerous.
You know?
He's he's built a mining company or he'sbuilding a mining company.
You know?
I would argue we haven't even built one yet,but he's building a mining company.
But I would I would kinda not assign him as amining guy, And that's because, quite frankly,
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I'm not a mining guy.
There there are people way way more into miningthan I am.
I'm also not a staffing guy.
Like, I don't know anything about staffingbusinesses.
I know enough down to be dangerous because westarted one.
I know talent.
I know people.
I like marketing.
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I like sales.
But, again, I don't wanna be cornered into anyone thing with my career.
This this podcast is not a mining podcast.
It's not a dirt moving podcast.
It's not even a business podcast.
It's very broad.
There are days where I talk about the mostrandom things, and there are days where I talk
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about something that has to do with mining orsomething that has to do with business.
And so for me, David, I think I I think, again,your identity should not be tied to any one
profession or any results that you produce, inthe way of, you know, earthly defined success.
But if you're worried that your identity isgonna be tied up in your profession, I'd take a
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step back and say, am I cool with that or not?
If I'm not cool with that, then I would build aplan and make it known that I'm not gonna let
my identity tied up in my profession.
I'd like to probably know more, David, aboutyour situation to give any any deeper advice.
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Right?
Kids, wife, what do you do for hobbies, youknow, all those sorts of things.
There are a couple guys I know that are thebest at what they do, and they don't care about
any other part of their life.
They don't care about relationships.
They don't have kids.
They don't intend to have kids.
They don't go to church.
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They, like, they care about their profession,that's it.
You see a lot of people in health care thisway, especially like surgeons,
anesthesiologists, people that are on call allthe time, like weekends or in scrubs.
They come to a baby shower.
They've got their beeper on.
They're in scrubs.
They might leave at any given time to go intosurgery.
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That is them, and that's what they I I thinkmost of them, that's what they want their
identity to be.
That that's what they're passionate about.
And so, you know, for me, I I would lead withpassion.
If you're not super passionate about what youridentity is currently tied up in, figure out
what you're passionate about.
And then you should be okay that your kind ofearthly identity is tied up into those things.
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I'm passionate about mining.
I'm not a mining guy, but I'm super passionateabout it.
I think I think mining in America is thecoolest thing in the world.
That's why I'm doing it, to be honest with you.
So I'm passionate about it.
I'm happy if people assign my identity to that.
It's it's not that, and I know it's not that.
But I think that's where it really depends on Idon't know.
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I'm giving you a little bit of vague answerhere on the second path.
But if you're in dirt moving and you wanna bein I'll make up something.
You wanna be a race car driver, like, how howdo you tiptoe towards that?
How do you start talking about that?
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The beauty of the beauty of living in America,especially this day and age with technology,
you can change your identity on a Tuesday at3PM at for zero cost.
Literally.
You can start a podcast.
You can start a new YouTube channel.
You can start a new Instagram page, a newTwitter.
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You can just start talking about things.
You can act like you know what you're talkingabout, and people people buy into it and
believe it.
But that's the beauty of living in America thisday and age is, especially for free, you can
change your identity pretty much overnight andwhat people know you for.
Now it's gonna be weird for a while.
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I'll just say that.
It's gonna be weird for a while.
If I stopped Turner Mining Group tomorrow andstarted Turner Turner's women's swimsuit line.
I'm making something up.
Like, that's gonna be weird.
People are gonna be like, what's the guy doing?
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He must have lost his mind.
They must have put the wrong kind of mushroomson his pizza or something.
But if I attack a women's swimsuit business theway I've attacked our mining business, you give
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me eight years, I got the best selling women'sswimsuit line on the planet.
I'm I'm just confident.
I need a little help.
I'd have to change the staff around a littlebit.
Our current staff might not work for a women'sswimsuit company, but I could change my
identity and what I'm chasing after if I werepassionate about it pretty much overnight.
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And people are gonna think it's weird.
People are gonna question it.
People are gonna talk about it and gossip.
That's okay.
You produce enough results.
It makes sense.
Michael Jordan, again, you guys probably gettired of me relating things back to sports.
Michael Jordan was the best on the planet atthis.
Now I say that.
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He kinda quickly changed course, But in theprime of his career, the height of his career,
run three world championships in a row, hequits playing basketball and starts playing
baseball.
Think about that.
Think about changing your identity.
This was this was twenty years ago.
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Actually, thirty years ago.
Mid nineties.
Change his identity overnight.
I'm no longer a basketball player.
He sat in a press conference with the worldwatching right after winning his third
championship in a row and said, hey.
I'm no longer a basketball player.
I'm a baseball player now.
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And everyone's like, what?
What are you talking about?
You never played baseball.
He's like, well, yeah, I kinda did in middleschool.
I kinda did in high school a little bit, butI'm gonna go play Major League Baseball.
It's the wildest thing ever.
If you're not familiar with it, go read aboutit.
There's documentaries on it.
That's really cool.
Now, ultimately, his baseball career was kindof short lived, but he did get some hits.
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He did make he did he, you know, he did getpicked up on a team, did get drafted, or picked
up on a team.
And and then ultimately, he said, you knowwhat?
I tried it.
Baseball's really hard.
It's hard to hit that little white ball comingat you a hundred miles an hour.
I'm gonna go back to basketball.
And then he went back to basketball and won onemore world titles.
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And so if if he could do it being known acrossthe world as one thing, if he could do it
thirty years ago, I think anybody that's in asmall business this day and age can do it
overnight.
You know, it it would be it would be reallyinteresting.
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There's other people who have done it.
Right?
Again, love him, hate him, don't even wannahear his name mentioned, I'm gonna mention it.
Donald Trump did this.
Donald Trump was New York's most lovedcelebrity.
He was the unofficial mayor of New York.
You listen to anybody talk about Donald Trump.
You go back and watch old tapes of OprahWinfrey before Donald ever got into politics.
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He was the most loved person in New York, andthen one day, he says, you
know
what?
I'm not a businessman anymore.
I'm not a real estate mogul.
I'm a politician, And he's never said thewords, I'm a politician, but you get the point.
He completely changed his identity, and it wasvery confusing for a lot of people.
A lot of people didn't like it.
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A lot of people still don't like it.
So, David, I don't know if that helps.
I think it takes real intention.
If you just let life happen to you, of course,identity is going to be tied to something.
If you just wake up one day in forty years, Ithink you're gonna I think you and everybody
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else, me included, will will realize, wait asecond.
I had no plan.
I had I didn't I was asleep at the wheel.
I didn't think about what this would look likeat the end of my life.
I didn't realize, you know, that if I stackedup ten, twenty, thirty million dollars in my
account, I didn't realize that wasn't gonna doit for me at the end of my life.
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I thought that was gonna be the thing, and andit's because they were asleep at the wheel and
didn't have a plan, didn't know what wasimportant to them, and, and never really
questioned it.
Maybe they just didn't have anybody in theirlife to challenge them to think about it, But I
think about it all the time.
All the time.
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I was I was talking to Jeff yesterday, andwe've got a trip coming up.
It's really it's a business trip, but we'regonna have some fun.
We were just talking about that a little bit.
He goes, you know, man, I've had so much fun inTurner Mining Group, and I can't wait for more
of it.
I'm like, well, it's interesting you say that,Jeff, because in my early years of starting the
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business, it was all just head down, grind yourface off, stay alive.
There was it wasn't I don't remember any tripsthat were just fun.
I remember being stressed out of my mind, andevery trip I went on was an absolute whirlwind.
I was on the phone the whole time.
I was on email.
I I remember I can't tell you how many planerides I remember landing, turning my phone on,
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and it just being absolute, like my whole bodyfilled with anxiety because of all the fires
that were going on in my life.
This job's on fire.
This guy quit.
Equipment won't run.
Like, it was chaos.
I don't remember any fun.
There was not one part of fun that I canremember really in the first three years.
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I can't remember it vividly.
Now I could go back and scroll through some oldpictures and stuff and maybe maybe come up with
something, but I don't remember any fun.
The last couple years, as I've really startedto think more about end of life stuff and, you
know, what's important and how do I reallyimpact people, and and try to think beyond just
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how do I make a bunch of money, I've startednoticing myself adding trips that I would have
normally said no to, and I've added thembecause they're fun, and they're with people
that I have fun with.
And for me, it's been really easy to look backover the last, oh, probably a year and a half,
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two years when I started doing this, maybethree years, and remembering, oh, wow.
That was that was fun.
I remember doing that.
And so I just I just say that because it wouldhave been really easy for me to keep my head
down and grind my face off and wake up in fortyyears with a bunch of money and a big business,
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and my body is no longer able to go have fun.
I'm I'm no longer able to go make memories.
I don't have the influence to impact people andand share the gospel and do all the things I
wanna do with my life.
I don't have the impact to go talk to youngkids about how they can change their life, and
so I just I wasted it all.
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I built it all for me.
I was selfish, and, you know, I think it'ssuper easy to do.
I think a lot of people do it.
I think a lot of business owners do it.
I think a lot of, career driven people do it,and hopefully, this is a little reminder to
stop, think about what's important.
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Think about what you're putting your identityin or what you're assigning it to, and think
about the end of your life, really, for asecond.
Just think about there's there are definitelytimes there are chapter I know some people are
gonna hear this and think, yeah, but I'm in achapter.
I gotta go stack cash right now so that I canretire and do the okay.
That's fine.
I'm all for that.
If you're gonna be head down, I talked about,one arm trades yesterday, talk you know,
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talking about him in a ten year window of hislife grinding his face off as that's love that.
That's great.
Go stack a bunch of cash where you don't havekids and you can travel and do all the things,
but don't get asleep at the wheel.
Don't fall asleep at the wheel.
Don't wake up and realize, oh, wait a second.
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That five year stint I promised myself, I'm onyear fifteen.
I'm 50 years old now.
What happened?
I was just in my thirties.
Just a I just feel like it was just a few daysago.
Was in my thirties.
I was just gonna do this for five years, gonnamake a bunch of money, and I was gonna settle
down with a woman and have kids, and and thenyou wake up when you're 50.
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Don't fall asleep at the wheel.
That is what I've got for you guys today.
Thank you so much for the message.
David, thank you so much, buddy.
I I appreciate it, and, I hope this helped you.
If you wanna talk more about either one ofthose two paths, both the religious, the
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religious one and the nonreligious one, let meknow.
Happy to happy to chat through it.
But that's that's how I think about it.
If Michael Jordan can go from best basketballplayer in the world to the worst baseball worst
major leaguer in the world overnight, I thinkyou can pretty much do anything you want with
your identity.
So, thank you guys for listening.
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Hope you're killing it.
I I think this is episode ninety ninety plussomething.
So we're we're getting up there.
I hope you're killing it.
I hope you're getting your per diem.
Thanks for following along.
And and several of you guys are still dead tome, by the way.
Several of them.
I could name names.
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I'm not gonna do that.
I would never I would never call Patton out onthe podcast for listening to this podcast every
morning.
First thing he does in life is listen in myvoice and not leave a review.
I would never call somebody out by name likeJake for listening to this day after day,
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getting the best advice he's ever gotten in hislife.
I would never call Jake out for listening tothis and not leaving a review on the podcast
app.
But for the rest of you guys that that arelistening and have left a review, I really
appreciate it.
I really do.
It means a lot.
So thank you guys for listening.
Hope you have a great day, and I hope you tuneback in tomorrow.
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Later.
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