Marsalis Clay of Full Surface Painting: Unraveling the Fibers of Entrepreneurship

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, today, man , we're gonna talk a little bit
about the usual things that wedo talk about being family man,
businessman, entrepreneurs andhow it affects our life, how it
affects our livelihood, itaffects the people that surround
us, man.
So today, people, I have aguest in the studio with me,

(00:21):
Marcelus Clay, a really, reallygood friend of mine grew up with
childhood friend of mine.
We both sit in the seats ofentrepreneurs family man,
businessman and a lot of timeswe share and bounce information
back and forth off each otherjust to be able to keep each
other afloat.
So, ladies and gentlemen,please give it up for my man
today.

(00:41):
Marcelus Clay, owner of FullSurface Painting Company.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
How you doing there everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Man.
So introduce yourself to thepeople and let them know a
little bit about yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So my name is Marcelus Clay.
I'm based out of Cleveland,ohio.
I used to be a CNC machinist,went to school for it and then,
honestly, you know I know how topaint.
You know you know artis typeshit.
You know I've been painting forlike, I want to say like maybe

(01:16):
like 16, 17 years been painting,worked for a couple of
different companies, for themost part Learned you know
different ways of painting anddifferent ways of doing things,
but it honestly wasn't until itwasn't until I went to school to
become a CNC machinist andstart working, you know, full

(01:39):
time there, but not a whole lotof overtime hours.
You know seeing like a littlebit of money coming back but
then still having to deal withlike the same.
You know whether it's, like youknow, racial bullshit or you
know just.
You know, I'll just be honestdealing with everybody's energy.
You know, dealing witheverybody's energy like.
You know, like sometimes somethings are a bit too much to

(02:01):
have to deal with, especiallywhen you know, especially when
you know that it's possible toactually be able to do more for
yourself than what somebody'sable to.
You know, than what somebodytells you.
Agreed, agreed, I agree withthat.
You know, I kind of I've always, I've always kind of, you know,
I've always worked, but I'vealways kind of like also had

(02:22):
like an opinion as far as likehow, like businesses like should
be ran, how people should betreated, customers, everything,
every situation is going to bedifferent.
Not everything is going to belike the exact same, but you
know, for the most part, youknow, so long as the money is
important, but more so making adifference is what's important

(02:44):
and, like you know, making itlike I said, you can't, you're
not going to make everybodyhappy.
So I'm just going to say thatyou can't make everybody happy.
It's unreasonable and it'simpossible to think.
But for the most part, so longas you know for a fact that
you're doing you're absolutelybest, especially like with
providing a service, it's, youknow, that's what I wanted to do

(03:06):
?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
How do you feel like you're changing your customers
lives by providing a service tothem?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, honestly, reliability for the most part
being flexible, you know,especially like if there's like
a situation going on where it's,like you know, I always like I
don't choose colors, like Idon't choose colors for none of
my projects, like I don't I maygive suggestions and hints but I
don't choose colors.
But what I will do is like ifthe you know, like if something

(03:33):
like isn't right, I definitelywant to try and make sure that
my customer is happy.
So I definitely will make surelike so can we go in a different
color?
Like what can we like, what canI do to you know, what can be
done to make the situation a bitmore better?
So I feel like my reliability,you know, is good, but then also
, at the same time, like thefact that I actually care about
pain, I care about my craft, Icare about how it actually comes

(03:54):
on and it's done.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Hmm, how do you feel that your work goes into the
community?
How do you think that is viewedin the community by, like, I
guess, fans, man, people who arefollowing your work, following
your social media, people whoactually have taken part of your
craft.
You've done work for them,they've put up reviews about you

(04:15):
.
How do you feel like you'vemade an impact on them overall?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Like I made a difference, especially for the
same effect that, like you know,a lot of times, you know a lot
of situations is, you know,typically wasn't really happy
with, like you know, theprevious job that was done by
somebody else, or it wasprobably the fact that you know
somebody came and got a depositand never showed back up, or,
you know, whatever case mighthave been like you know, I just

(04:40):
happen to be the differentoutcome for the most part and so
, because you know being likethe different outcome for the
most part, you know that'sallowed me to be able to have a
lot of, like returning customers.
You know even medicalfacilities.
You know, since I've beenwithin, this would be my fourth

(05:02):
year of business next month andI, you know, just this past year
, would have done, like you know, just this past year I did my
second.
I did my second urgent care.
You know, and you know thatwould you know that would have
done nothing but the grace ofGod and just for the simple fact
that I honestly wanted it, youknow.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So, yeah, so tell me this man, uh, freedom speakers,
people who are paying attention,listen to this.
This episode is for you.
This episode is for hustlers,entrepreneurs, people who got
that grit, who got that dog, youknow, that's looking to step to
the next level.
Us as entrepreneurs, family men, business man, this is where we
really talk gritty, we reallytalk for real and serious about

(05:45):
the makeup of the man.
You know, for the women outthere that are looking for that
man that has a certain tenacityabout him, a lot of internals,
if you will, a lot of internals.
He got a lot of drive, he got alot of ambition, he got a lot
of goals.
He has a lot of knowledge,emotional sense, he likes to
challenge himself in a healthymanner.

(06:07):
Most of the time, us as men,like I stated to my wife earlier
, most of the time, man, I'm thelazy lion, until it's time for
me to perform.
Until it's time for me toperform, I'm just in preparation
to kind of get myself right.
So when my number is called,I'm the elite, I'm on my shit.
So her kind of understanding,that metaphor, like.
So that's why you, like youknow, do stuff sometimes like I

(06:28):
do a lot.
Overall, up and up is more likeI've been able to delegate
certain power.
I've been able to assistcertain people, put things in
certain positions that offerothers to do it, so that I can
handle what's solely just for me.
Alright.
So people who out there, whoare looking to gain knowledge
and want to level up and step inthe business, keep staying

(06:51):
tuned to us, the content thatwe're pushing forward and all
the different information thatwe're looking to bring.
So one thing that I want to sayis thank you for coming to the
show and sharing with the peopleyour information, your
livelihood.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I get it from you.
I mean, let's just be honest,this is my sensei.
Not only this is one of myoldest friends, this is somebody
who I guess you can kind of saythe relationship has gone from
friends friends talking aboutvideo games and silly stuff to
now we're actually sitting downand talking about how to get

(07:30):
money and make money yeah, wehave legitimate conversations
that level you up beneficialiron, iron sharpening, iron
conversations we as juvenilesand kids, we would sit back and
communicate about girls, what wewanted to do when we get older.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now we sit in that place and we got the things that
we say.
Now we had a conversation ofhow we maintain it.
Most of the time you have togive up something to get what
you want and us, beingentrepreneurs, knowing that's
the nucleus of what we are andwhat we do not, that any of the
title doesn't compare or have asmuch power, but I can't be that

(08:14):
great of a husband thatprovides if I don't have the
means to overall provide for thetangible things that are
actually necessary.
Of course I can show you a lotof internals I love you, I'm
here, I'm respecting you, so onand so forth.
But if I can't keep us warm, Igotta figure that out some kind
of way.
If I can't protect us or get acertain level of respect at work

(08:38):
or in the world, or even withmy family, I gotta be able to
figure out how do I need toadjust, and most of the time,
this information is things thatare trial and error every day.
Nobody has no manual to lifeper se, and people have written
books and information to giveguidelines.
However, it has to be you whoseeks.

(08:59):
It has to be you.
It has to be you.
You cannot give up on yourself,especially when you get to see
those that are around you andpeople who look to you, how much
they actually look to you, howmuch they depend on your
information, your knowledge foryou to be the one that takes the
step first.
That's a leader being able tomake the example and sacrifice

(09:22):
themselves most of the time justso others can have a way.
If you're not ready to sacrificeyourself, if you're not ready
to get up every day and still goin and do something that you
don't like to do but has to bedone, if you can't get up every
day and be responsible even whenyou don't feel like being
responsible, don't step into afull time relationship, because

(09:44):
that's some everyday shit.
Don't step into business,because that's some everyday
shit.
Don't step into being a parentbecause that's some everyday
shit.
That ain't nothing.
That you get to take the daysoff and you gotta continuously
push in and invest in thatbefore you get any return.
Okay.
So if you're not ready tosacrifice your time yourself,

(10:07):
even sometimes your certainrelationships, to be able to
take care of many instead ofjust a few.
Man, don't step into this realmof family entrepreneurship or
business because at the end ofthe day, it ain't gonna be about
you, my nigga, it's not.
It's not gonna be about youuntil you put your paintbrush
down and get a chance to look atyour work.
Once you get a chance to seewhat you've built, then you can

(10:32):
get a chance to take a break andpeople will get a chance to see
what you've done.
Remember, once you build it,then they'll come.
Before then you just anothernigga talking shit.
So I ask you this, man if youcan give any information to any
hustler, any entrepreneur that'slooking to step into that next

(10:53):
level, man, what informationwould you give them?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
well, first off, I'm actually working on a book right
now, and pretty much the bookthat I'm actually working on is
I won't even hold you, like it'snot, like it's a you know.
It's like you know one, two,three to get a million.
What I want to do is I want toget you out of your head so that
you can actually get yourselfinto the position to actually be

(11:18):
able to get to the point ofbeing able to make the figures
that you actually want to beable to make.
This book is for the person whowants to be the entrepreneur
but thinks that they are soimperfect and you know, so
whatever that they can't do it.
Well, if I can do it, you cando it absolutely, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I've known this man for many years and we both have
had conversations with eachother about the things that we
finna do, that we bout to do,until one day we didn't hit each
other up and was like, hey, Iain't finna, say finna, no mo.
And then work began.
Now.
What we said today, and I'll bepermission to speak freely-

(12:00):
permission, I got the lighterover it.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh yeah, for sure, bro.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, that's part of it some days I sit and I have my
moments of depression, andthese moments of depression come
through my level of survivorsremorse okay, and that's where I
sit now of.
It's not about the money,though I know I need to make,

(12:26):
that I have minimums that I needto maintain to keep things
flowing.
It's not about the products.
It's not about how much money Ihave to spend to keep things
going.
I've been in it long enough.
I've been in it 10 seasons toknow things gonna be up and down
.
What hits me and triggers mydepression is when I look to

(12:46):
hang out with people or I lookto communicate with people.
I'm viewed sometimes as thislevel of celebrity that can't
talk to me like a regular person, or that we don't have the same
woes of my kids or my job, or Ihad to fire somebody.
Today I had to wear that,whatever my position is, or

(13:09):
looking at it as being anentrepreneur, that we don't have
problems.
Money fixes everything, andthat's further from the truth.
So when I had my survivorsremorse kicking in, which is a
form of depression, I get tolook at the people I love or
it's around me and I get to seethat their time isn't theirs.

(13:30):
It is mandatory for them to besomewhere else every day doing
something on behalf of them andtheir family, but at the same
time, a lot of them do not feelfulfilled or they feel like
they're not even working for anentrepreneur that actually cares
about them or has their bestinterest at hand.
Knowing, one of the big thingsthat we push as entrepreneurs is
taking away the negativenarrative of employee versus

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employer, when we actually bothreally need each other.
So if I give you a little bitof history from myself, man and
this is a segment that I want tobring forward is called from
sewer to entrepreneur, and thisis why I give the greedy
information about what it reallywas to start a business.
The anxiety that came, thedepression that came, the doubts
, the naysayers that I had to bedelusional to a degree and not

(14:17):
believe the world because I hadto believe myself.
I had to believe whatever itwas that I was looking to do was
going to work, that I was goingto push this shit forward, that
whoever was going to be with mewas going to motherfucking help
me.
And if you wouldn't get out ofmy way, because I'm trumpling
the fuck over you and you haveto have that mindset, man, you
have to have it, you have tohave it.
All the mother, motivationalspeakers and people who are

(14:39):
telling you, man, they give youthe hey bud.
If you just don't give up andyou work hard every day and stay
consistent, you'll make it tothe stars.
Are they lying?
No, they're not lying, butthey're giving you the short,
sweet version of what it is.
Not a.
You need to discipline yourself.

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Many by minute, 30 minuteincrements, hour by hour, every
day.
Do not waste and burn anydaylight.
In order to get ahead of thenext nigga man, you gotta be
covering twice as much, threetimes as much ground.
You have to what most peopleare doing in five or six, eight
hours.
You need to be doing.
You need to be doing eighthours worth of work and three

(15:21):
hours, four hours, just to getahead.
Just to get ahead, okay.
You going to work, punching theclock for somebody else coming
home, kicking up your feet,drinking the smoke into just
doing the bare minimum that youcontracted won't get you nowhere
, it'll just get you by.
You really want to be the boss.
You really want to be anentrepreneur you really want to

(15:43):
be the man, give up yourself.
Be selfless, as we mentioned.
Where does the selfless persongain?
Most selfless people don't gainuntil they have to demand their
respect, until they have to cutsomething or somebody off in

(16:05):
order to reciprocate somethingand normally it's never generous
of oh you've been doing this,let me give it to you.
No, and the people whogenerally give, they gotta have
a breaking point too.
So, even as an entrepreneur, wehave to give a fuck about
people that we don't even knowand giving them an opportunity

(16:27):
for them to come in here andpossibly steal time.
Steal trash bags, materials andshit.
Be mad as fuck at you becauseyou hold them accountable.
Man, do you know how manypeople quit their job when you
hold them accountable?
A?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
lot, pretty much they're everywhere, they're
fucking everywhere.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You tell them you can't do this or this ain't how
this goes.
And then they all ho ass, nigga.
You black owned business, bigbitch, fuck you.
You don't care about blackpeople for real.
Ho ass, hoe and your lockstrash.
It's like damn I, because youkeep being late with car trouble
and keep getting dropped off bythat whack ass nigga that we

(17:04):
know be picking you up late.
I don't ever shit understand,but I be seeing the fucked up
situations then.
Yeah, okay, I see that you makebad decisions everywhere.
Not just it work, but I dieright.
So I say that to say, man, ifyou really looking to step into
business and being hungry andthat you will have to transform

(17:29):
entirely, okay, you have totransform entirely because what
you are building or markingyourself up to be will have to
be.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
These skills will have to be transferable can I
ask them real quick alright, sopermission to speak freely,
alright.
So pretty much like the thingthat with me about business is
that I've come to actuallyfigure out and learn and

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actually love running a businesslike more than like really
anything I've ever done in mylife, and it's only because,
like it's actually I won't evenhold you.
It's actually improved, likewho I am, like it's actually
improved who I am, like it'sactually sharpened me and I
realize that sharpened mebecause I've been diagnosed with

(18:22):
ADD, adhd probably, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm probably on that spectrum too, bro.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I've had an IEP before.
So I'm there like you know like.
So right there, like let youknow.
Like in truth we told like themachining job, the machining job
probably real talk, it'sprobably like the longest job
I've ever had, like going onlike five years, first time out,
like 401.
You know benefits, you knowvacation off.

(18:50):
Oh yeah, like I was a straightup nigga with the vacation shit.
Like they were like startingoff like you got a week like I
blew that shit in.
Like like two days off, likeman like, but at a certain point
in time cause I would go to themachine shop and I was still

(19:11):
painting the summertime and I'mlike I blow through this, I blow
through it.
I don't get no callbacks likewhy permission to speak?
Really, why am I making thisnigga money when I can be making
my own damn self some money?
Nigga don't?

(19:32):
He sits at home.
He has about maybe like 10 or12 painters working for him and
he sits at home.
I can actually paint.
I like to paint and move aroundlike I can't do this shit
myself.
So my wife gave me an idea.

(19:54):
Actually, my wife actually gaveme the name.
My wife gave me the name whileI was actually trying to figure
out what I was trying to do.
The name just happened to comeout of her mouth.
I'm like, okay, yeah, we'll gowith that, we'll go with that.

(20:15):
So it started off like and I'mgonna go back to my book again
cause, like it even goes back tomy book, my book breaks my book
.
I like I wanna break it.
I wanna break it like I want tobreak it down, like we've been
on live for like a little bitnow.
It's like y'all know how I cantalk.
I want my book is going tospeak, just like that.

(20:38):
I wanna break it down.
I want to get you out of yourhead, because this is coming
from somebody who, honestly, Ididn't really start doing too
good at school until I went toschool for machine learning,
trigonometry and stuff.
I'm like but that's all,because, like you said, I was
back into a wall.
I had no choice but to learn.
I was like okay, forget it.

(20:59):
Adjacent angles okay, this isthe formula.
Alright, forget it.
This is blueprint reading.
I got it.
Got a job I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So let me ask you this real quick, while this
question is, on my mind, soundlike a cliche question, but do
you feel like you need pressureor challenges to bring out the
best in you?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
neither I honestly personally feel like I needed to
just actually do something.
I actually gave a fuck about.
You know what I'm saying I meanlike not to say like that, but
it's just like I paint, like andI'm good at it, like it's
something that I was taught,like it's something that I've
heard.
Like through my fight he tookit upon me, he showed me how to

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paint.
He just made it his own, like Ijust it's what I do, but she
ain't being as cool.
That's me working for somebodyelse, making this guy some money
and he's sitting somewhere inCape Cod, somewhere probably on
the boat.
You know I'm like, oh, $2.45 to$10.45, no fuck that.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
$2.45 to $2.45, you know what I'm saying like $12.00
for real like for what?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
and then I'm still depressed.
I'm gonna make a lot ofreferences to like a lot of
songs in my book too, but like,but pretty much like.
There was a point in time where, like it was bad, like I was
catching them, like I wascatching the bus to go to work,
I was barely really getting anysleep and I'm in my head just

(22:25):
like this can't be life, thiscan't be life, this can't be
life.
No, this can't be life for real, and I refuse to give up on it
only because I know for a factthat, like, if I actually just
put my best foot forward and Ican actually make something

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happen, I just get out of myhead, did you?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
did you feel like you lived there in your head?
Was it safe for you in there?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
no, no, no, like when you people use the word humble
actually, no matter of fact, youtalk, you talking.
Yesterday you was like you was,like they say, be humble.
Like I can't be humble.
I don't know how to be that forreal.
The word humble, like it doesexist among people, but it

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doesn't exist among me.
I don't believe in it.
I don't believe in it onlybecause of the simple fact that,
like, if I'm saying that I'mgoing to be humble, that means
that I'm going to just sit hereand just settle for literally
whatever I can pick up out oflife.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
It's almost like being humble is almost like
putting a cap on yourself.
It's almost like, hey, I don'twant to make myself better, I
don't want to.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I don't want to make myself accountable for really
anything or try to.
That's the whole no like andthat's the and like, just like.
We can just skip all over it.
It's literally.
It's literally actually justbeing able to roll a dice on
yourself.

(24:03):
You get that everybody like thehell with this, like it should
be shoveling snow and have acompany and running in three
different states.
But wait, that's a businessidea too.
Hey, I'm just saying, like youknow, when you business from me

(24:26):
has given me something toactually focus on, yeah, you sit
down and you tell me, like ahobby of yours, I'm gonna sit
here and tell you how to make abusiness out of it.
So, real quick, I'm gonna justgo ahead and give out some free
games.
Get your listeners, get yourfreedom speakers some of them,
some of them.
So just a free game.
You can easily just sit hereand just say, well, like doing

(24:47):
this or the one thing everybodylike doing this and everybody
like getting paid for doing this.
But maybe, like you give likelike after hours special where
you allow chilled wine to besipped on, nice little drink,
your day to be talked out alittle let me make some notes
for myself a little bit ofdecompression, while you're

(25:10):
actually paying to be taken careof yeah, some self care, some
pampering, and then you get alittle buzz with some wine
either that or shit.
You can make the greatest, thebest cheeseburger there is and
just cut it up in just differentshapes.
I guarantee you, I guaranteeyou.

(25:34):
I guarantee you.
I guarantee you that if you sithere and say that you know, hey
, I make the.
My cheeseburgers are thegreatest.
I cut them up and it makes medifferent.
I cut them up in differentshapes.
Whatever your favorite shape is.
I want the extra large triangleburger, extra large star burger
.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I buy that shit, probably because it is shaped
like a star yeah, yeah, I likethat man, so I'm just saying no,
I'm with you, man.
So, freedom speakers, if yougot any questions or concerns
about entrepreneurship, pleasetap into the comments.
Now, one of the things that Ilike to say, especially starting
out as an entrepreneur and asyou mentioned, man, I got a

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memory on Facebook the other day, actually yesterday, and it was
a post about me riding my biketo work.
I had no car at this time, man,I now drove my bike 5.2 miles
to work and I didn't even haveany money to get my car fixed.
The couple last dollars that Ihad, I, actually, wifey and I,

(26:39):
went to the Goodwill and boughta bike, just a real.
I put air in it at the gasstation, I put some WD 40 on the
chain, but I was like, hey, man, I'm a man, I got to figure
this out.
I got to still go to work.
I'm thankful to have a job, butI rode the bike to work and it
was.
As I got to read that message,it was like a humbling

(27:01):
experience of look how humble Iwas there, meaning my esteem was
low, I didn't have much, Ididn't, I didn't, I didn't
account for much of anything andI was kind of living up to what
people thought I would be justlike an average Joe.
But when I got a chance to geton that bike, go to go to work

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and then even for the next fewweeks.
But I just walked to work, Iride the bike with that
windshield was fucking me upbecause it was October.
November is around this time.
I was riding the bike but Iread that message and it was
like, wow, man, it came a longway.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Me.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I had the same experience for like a very long
way of, but I didn't have no carand today I got to flee the
vehicles I have.
You know, my own person, like Ionly have one car.
I'm not.
I'm not the businessman thathas a whole fleet of personal
vehicles, have a fleet ofvehicles that are for me, but

(27:59):
they're mine because I got topay for them, all right.
But therefore the staff they'reone of the tools for staff to
be able to get the job donequickly and adequately with the
proper things that they needdoesn't cost them anything to
fix these van.
Yet they be breaking my shitand stealing my shit.
You really want to be anentrepreneur?
You want to get a phone callone day and your shit missing.

(28:21):
You go walk up in your officeand you ain't no office in that.
Bitch Things that came in thereand stole computers and got
them fucking easels.
They just still in shit to gethigh off of a person that they
feel like a heat.
Got it, he got it, he got it.

(28:43):
I think I got it.
How true or not true, that maymotherfucka be, I ain't the lick
, okay.
So I say that to people.
I wanted this episode the mostdefinitely before the
entrepreneur like do you reallywant to be an entrepreneur?
Do you really want to step intothat realm?
Not to deter you, but like toprepare you Okay, to prepare you

(29:06):
of how serious they really canget, how much of a
transformation of a person thatyou have to have to undergo?
Man, the world don't owe youshit.
The world would not bend foryou and God ain't gonna just
pick you up one day and placeyou right in the location that
you want to be.
That is not how God worked andI know firsthand.

(29:28):
I got the nickel speed Allright.
So how God works is and this isfrom my version I thought God
was gonna when I was homeless,in my crown.
That's why that's my favoritecar, cause I used to live in
that bitch to.
That was my apartment, that wasmy made back.
You pushed them seats up, usereal comfortable.

(29:49):
It was like a, like a twin sizebed in that backseat.
But when I was homeless, livingin my crown, big due to my own
issues, my own shit I didn'twant to go back to where I was
and I needed that level up.
But I'm reading my Bible andI'm reading my Bible and I'm
waiting for something to happenand it was like I came in with

(30:12):
this quote like hey man, everymost people, demons show up
around 3am.
3am is still 3am.
So I'm sitting there and I'mreading the Bible, and I can't
remember what passage I was on,but I just kept, just kept
reading it slowly, just keptreading it slowly, like I'm
waiting for somebody to save mewhen I really could be saving

(30:37):
myself.
I really could be saving myself.
I'm waiting on God.
God will you, hey God.
But I'm at that place and I hadto keep just sitting there like

(31:01):
just an awakening.
I'm like I am a completelyfucking still waiting to be
saved, wasting fucking talentsand abilities that I know that I
got them have.
I'm aware of what I can do whenI'm putting the jam.
I'm aware of what I can do.
That being said, it was justlike a.

(31:25):
The pressure I felt in mystomach at that time, or that
pick I felt in my stomach, felta little bit released and it was
like I need to start makingmoves.
So this is how God started towork for me.
I thought God was going to justpick me up and the world was
going to move around, and thatwasn't the case.
I had to get the moving andthen God just moved the world

(31:47):
around me.
Once I got to move in, theworld was dipping in dodge and
he was moving shit out of mymotherfucking way that I didn't
need because I was on it, I hada goal and I had a purpose.
It was blocking shit, trying tocatch up to you, yeah, but I
believe in signs and I say that,man.
I believe messages are sentthrough me, through videos,
through people, to music.
You know what I'm saying.

(32:07):
I believe that.
So when I'm listening tocertain music at this time, or
I'm just kind of putting myselfin this space, that I need more,
I need to have more, I deservemore.
Every time I challenge myself todo something, that pit in my
stomach just got a little bitlighter and confident to build.
That.

(32:28):
It was like a is tough as Ithought these people were, as
hard as I thought that thesechallenges will be.
This really seems this, thisreally not as difficult.
I had to just challenge myself.
I had to get up and move.
Nobody could give me anything.
Nobody owed me nothing.
So even in that room, with mesitting there feeling like

(32:49):
nobody owed me nothing, I had toget up here and get out there
and get it.
Keep in mind.
I had great mentors and teachersthat gave me information along
the way.
Nobody gave me a dollar.
I don't want to say that loudand clear.
Nobody gave me any money.
They gave me information.
Just as I give, I giveinformation.
If you don't use theinformation, what do I lose?

(33:13):
You didn't pay for it from me.
So if you, if I give you thegame or give you information or
I tell you that a, the BenBoston Business Academy is free,
I don't pay.
I don't charge people to have aconversation with them and be
able to help inspire, motivateor put them on the right track,
or even send them an email, alink.

(33:34):
Hey, this is how you start.
This is what you need to doRead this information, just like
I did.
I can guide you, but I won't doit for you, because I know the
benefit of doing it yourself andhow much you will learn reading
it up or experiencing it, andnot just me picking you up,

(33:54):
putting you right here.
I didn't do that for me and Iain't got.
I'm just got like.
So I can't do that for you.
All I can do is give you theopportunity.
So me picking myself up by mybootstraps, as they call it.

(34:15):
I gained a level of confidence.
I gained a level ofaccountability.
I gained a level of problemsolving.
I gained a level ofunderstanding, comprehension of
things.
I've learned to speak moreclearly, of indirect, about what
it is that I want, with nowiggle room.

(34:36):
I got a chance to speak onbehalf of others who and or
advocate for them, who didn'tper se have a gift that I have
of being able to speak or beingable to recognize things.
But once I got up and Ichallenged myself and I'm a
competitive person I'm acompetitive person.
Sports made me competitive andbusiness made me competitive.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I'm really not, though, but go ahead though.
Yeah, business made mecompetitive.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
It made me competitive of like a.
I got a for us to eat.
I got to kill you.
I'm warning, but I be fooled.
My family would be okay.
But that's the competitive,isn't it like a rather be you to
me and that's how business isset up.
Because it don't.
It don't matter what industryyou in, people, okay, freedom

(35:24):
speakers.
It don't matter what industryyou in doing hair, you doing
nails, you you you painting, youdo cleaning, you do anything
repairing cars, houses, boats,trucks, selling pussy.
Somebody know you and businessyou get under.
Be it, you will get, you'll belike.

(35:45):
So they charge them 40 for puts.
You give me 40.
I put my feet, hands in thereand you can shoot it on my tits.
They could get creative, likefor 3875.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Because I'm like a monkey on your back.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
You like I come on there dressed in the costume,
whatever you want Cosplay, Icall you what you want.
Would you want to be Lioritoday?
What do you want me to call you?
Officer?
You won't Package what you want, who you want to be, but
business is competitive, likethat.
You cutting grass is like ohman, I cut the grass, I trim, I

(36:18):
come, put the weeds man and Icome and break the leaves and I
do the snow is like, for thesame price.
But his business is competitive, is competitive.
Us in health care.
You wouldn't even think that islike how much more can I clean?
I'm much more, cannot care, butit's still competitive of hey,
you know what?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
We'll discount our hand sanitizers, gloves, outfits
.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
We'll give staff bonuses, raises For some shit,
something ain't even necessary,but it's like it get competitive
or they'll steal your client.
They'll steal your client.
They'll be like, hey, man, youdon't need no big company, right
, I could do it for you, right?
Like, yeah, I like you.
And then next thing you know,you get in the letter of hey,
you know, I don't want to fuckwith you, no more.

(37:05):
This nigga you fired, yeah, hetook them with them.
Yeah, merry Christmas.
So you gotta protect yourself,or do not compete.
Clause or is just is so manydifferent things in business
that is almost law, and I saythis freely as a business on a
learning, this power andposition that I'm in, I can

(37:25):
understand why the government orwhite people, some white people
, not all, but some white peoplein power in history proves this
.
These are facts that you cancheck.
These aren't this isn't just mebeing negative towards a race
or anything, but just meaningthe position of power.
I understand why they neverwanted people of color to own

(37:46):
anything, because now you havethe power to give opportunity,
you have control, and propertywas never supposed to have
control.
It was.
You was never supposed to havecontrol.
You was never supposed to sayanything.
And then, once you make therules and they got to listen to
you, my have the tables haveturned, my nigga.

(38:08):
But I've learned that of havingto stand up and have to have
these conversations and businesswith people that feel like I'm
not supposed to be here.
Shut up, never, boy You're.
You're not that well off.
Fuck you, I'll buy you out.
I'm sorry.

(38:29):
I'm sorry You're taking hisbiggest mind, white man, and I'm
sorry that your white wife keepgalking at me because you can't
.
You ain't got the tenacity tosteal or the hip or the color to
satisfy this woman to know, doyou respect her in any kind of
way?
I know that you got to onlyhandle one woman because you a
bitch as nigga and you can'thandle a flock of hoes whole ass
, nigga.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Because you ain't got it.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
You invented monogamy because you only can handle one
woman at a time.
You only got enough money foryou and I know dick attitude,
power to nasty.
You only run the business world.
You don't even run yourhousehold.
All right, ho ass nigga.
But I don't grass.
But I've learned that if, likea man, business saved my life, I

(39:16):
agree.
It saved my life.
It saved my life of challengingme how to protect myself, have
a value for myself.
I care about myself way, waymore than I cared about other
people.
If I can push all this intoother people, I had to learn to
give it to myself.
I had to practice what youpreach, as they call it.

(39:36):
I had to practice what I preach.
Show myself love, put myself inthe position to be able to help
me so that I can turn aroundand help people.
If I'm only helping one personget, but so far, and I'm
actually taking steps back onmyself, that is not
reciprocation and that is notprogression.
Well, that is not progression.
So, if I can go, save myselfand come back and save multiple

(39:59):
people, which is the positionwe're in now, after it started
moving and making some tractionjust in the world, and I'd never
stop.
I never stopped, but challengeskept on going, kept on coming,
bumps and bruises.
But I say this respectfully,with grace.
Grace, I go out here and Ifight the world every day.

(40:23):
Most black men go out here andfight the world every day, and
you looking at two black menthat go out here and fight the
world every day and we went in.
We went in my nigga.
Okay, you don't think you'regoing to have a target on you

(40:43):
when you're winning.
You don't think Jordan had atarget on that nigga when he was
winning, that niggas built shittogether to try to take down
his nigga.
You don't think when the brownis winning, that they built shit
to be able to take down thebrand.
You don't think it's a targetat the basket.
I said every king dies withtheir hair cut off.
And I believe that because aslong as you up top, as long as

(41:06):
you at the missionary positionis going to be somebody going to
give you some.
Let you give them some backshots.
I just know that.
But those with the top peak ofyour game, you can almost have
almost anything.
You want to have a certainlevel of fame, a certain level
of attention on you, and you'regoing to always have a certain
level of hater.
I always have just as powerfuldamn near hater as just as you.

(41:27):
That can turn the tides on youif you fuck up, if you do any
bullshit if you and they watchit, and it's a thing that it has
.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
A thing, though, is that like Business for me.
Business for me is like I kindof feel like it's made me, it's
made me a calmer, more sharperperson, but also give me
something to focus on Like I'venever, like I haven't really.
I've never really been able tolike the focus, focus on, like
certain stuff, but business like.

(41:57):
The reason I focus on isbecause I'm like what I'm
building right now, what I'm theword try, and even in the
vocabulary the word can't, evenin the book my kids be like at
the dinner table with thehomework.
Like I can't do this, oh OK, ifI just got off work, paint on
my arms, paint on my head, I'dbe like nigga, what can't like.

(42:20):
We don't say that around here.
Like you actually just go aheadand just figure it out.
You know I'm saying like, justfigure it out, but what that has
done like it has pretty muchlike business has broken me down
as a person and then hasallowed me to rebuild myself
into something just a bit moredifferent.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
So now, every time, every time.
So I play this each and everysingle year.
Ok, I was going to ask mebecause we sometimes, but not
sometimes, we most definitelyhad conversations of realignment
with each other.
This is where I'm at.
I'm at this emotional place.
I'm feeling the low.
Every time we've stated thatwe've always had a recurring

(43:05):
conversation is like I gotthrough this, this is this.
But I had the question I wantto ask is with each low that you
have because members ofdifferent low used to be down
here Me expensive?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
paint.
Expensive paint, expensivepaint money it's all they spent.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yes, as you climb, man right, your low is a little
less lower than from rock bottom, but you know, rock bottom is
very fucking close, high in hishigh, as you think one swoop can
take you out.
So I ask you, man, with eachnew low that you, that you find
it comes with progression, butwhat, what part of you you feel

(43:45):
like is broken, that you repairto kind of level up and do you
take that with you to the nextlevel.
Oh, that's, I go hold you?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's actually a deep question.
I don't think I want to know.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Not fucking quiet minds, no no, no, no, no, no, no
, no, no, no, no.
But I, I hold you like that'slike, that's like I've never
really thought like that that'slike a question.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I kind of like a low key kind of felt like you like
recent to like and I just liketry to pull some shit out like
that's that, like that was kindof fucking deep.
I kind of feel like not reallythem by.
Like I really like it for whatit is done broke my mental and

(44:27):
to be told like it's done brokemy heart.
Yeah, like it's done, like it'sreally broke my heart.
When I quit my job, like realtalk, like how like invested I
was in myself.
I was like he's supposed to beat work this day and me and my
one buddy, we were like deep outin the Lyria.

(44:49):
I mean, like you got to pay tolike they pay toll booths and we
just like you still drive, likeyou at the far, not on
expressway, you can do that.
So like we just going and I getout there and I got there and
you know we're doing like a walkthrough these apartments.
You know guy had like 30 unitsthat he wanted done in like two

(45:20):
months or whatever and I'm and Ifeel like businesses breaking
me, like I thought you justbroke me again.
But anyway, but break through.
No, no, no, no, no, no, butyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, no
, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, seriously, more like like
just for that, just for thatbrief moment, it was actually

(45:43):
just like going, actually likeactually kind of felt like I
went down like a roller coasterbut then I actually just got my
shit back together like realquick, something just like
you've been doing this, like youknow what you're talking about.
So I go out there and we'rewalking around and the deal is
not the greatest deal, it's justa lot of apartments that

(46:06):
actually like if the mindset wascorrect, the work ethic was
there and the right paintproduct was there and the right
amount of time was there, itcould actually be done.

(46:27):
Can one me and my buddy, likewe literally the guy, like it
felt like a teeth, like a talkshow, like a guy, was like a guy
yelling man, like just thinkabout it.
And I'm like, yeah, like giveus a minute.
I'm like I don't drove out here, like I'll give you an answer
now.
I mean I can answer the nextfew minutes.

(46:49):
We talking about numbers.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Can't win agreement.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
He's all right, when you can start now.
Man, I called Marcos pizza,which is like round a block,
like that, like that, like thatwas probably like the last, not
the last, not that irresponsible.
It wasn't the last bit of moneythat had, but for the most part

(47:15):
, like you know, until I gotpaid, like the next day, like I
had gas in the car, foods athome, like it was cool, I got
his pizza, I'm like let's rockout.
And from then on, like I gotfucked out there and materials
got misplaced.
No cabinets got scratched up.
You know this.
That a third, like you know.

(47:35):
But I still kept going.
Like it should be told.
Like just know my character,just from like how I was like
before, like when I was younger,that wouldn't have been me bro.
Like that wouldn't have been melike bro.
Like there was a.
There was one point in time LikeI was just super comfortable
with just playing video games.
I was just super comfortablewith it and then just flowing

(47:56):
with, like then I had a kid comein the world, still was just on
that and they had more kids.
You know, like you know, youknow, you know.
You know they got married.

(48:16):
They got married.
They got married.
Like the more decisions that Imade, it was like something
gotta add up somewhere.
And it ain't with this machineshop shit.
I get that it's working for themoment but it ain't working for
me in the long run.

(48:36):
So like when I say like youkind of rub me down right there
and then I kind of get myselfback up, is for the most part
like I kind of like that.
That question kind of had melike I kind of had to really
remind myself of who the fuck Ireally was.
I kind of snuck in there andsaid that like I wasn't
competitive, but now I had toreally really think about it.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, like yeah, like , yeah, like I really really had
, like that that's that bullshitbeing humble, shit like I can't
really do that.
Like I've had to challengemyself just throughout the years
of just making mistakes,financially hiring and having
the wrong people on and Notdoing enough myself, thinking

(49:22):
I'm a boss.
Now, mind you, boss hasmultiple meanings like and I'll
be honest in my part of the panbeing a boss like you could be
employed somewhere, like if yourun in the shit, then yes,
you're a boss, but if you'realso running your own business
and control thing is control ifyou're controlling your own
hours, you are a fucking boss.

(49:43):
Yeah, like you're controllingyour app.
Like while I'm painting, I amwalking around the apartment.
Chapter two Okay, I'm on mylike, I'm on my own time.
It was like I'm on my own time,like I'm so honed in.

(50:04):
But I'm honed in because of thefact that, like I want my kids
to understand you can dowhatever it is you want.
Yeah, all my children get like,so my dad used to be able to.
My dad can still probably draw,but my kid, I used to be able
to draw to my kids.
All my kids can draw, like,from my oldest daughter down to

(50:27):
my like down to like my third,my third youngest, like they all
can draw.
The new bro can't draw but,like you know, they all can draw
.
And I'm just saying, like my, mydaughter is like she wants to
be a Disney animator.
I'm like, okay, let's go.
Like I'm so much better thanthe budget to go ahead and get

(50:48):
her to the art book with thecharcoal pencils or whatever.
Like cuz they're doing, makethe way.
But also, at the same time,because I've been so tapped in
with myself over the last likefour years or more than that,
I'm able to recognize in themcertain signs are like yeah,

(51:09):
like you could definitely dothis yourself.
Like on your own, like like mykids, like they just, they just
have that mindset and that'swhat I want to do.
Like I want to hone in on that,focus on school.
Yeah, that's important.
But understand, once thatshit's done, you could do
whatever fuck you want.
And it's only because I'mtrying to set you all up to be
able to do what you all want tobe able to do.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, and demonstrate that it can be seen it can be
seen it can be felt no betterword.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It can be dealt with.
You can endure it, yeah, yeah,you can endure it because your
father has, like I have, like Ihave grown so much just from
doing it.
Honestly, I can say all Ireally think about is business
like 24, like it's 20, like it'sa full time.

(51:59):
It's a full time job that Iactually love.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It's 100 repeat that one more time for the listeners,
for even speakers.
It's a man, call out and clearand say a slow form.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
It's a 24 hour job that I actually love and that I
actually enjoy doing 24 seven,but it's actually something that
I enjoy challenging myself with.
I personally feel like when youstart a business, like you
start off OK, like we, like fabsaid, you know leveling up, like

(52:35):
you know what you start fromthe bottom, like there's nothing
but going up, like and that'swhat I've always seen from
myself, like over the pastcouple of years, like I've never
really like dub back too much.
I've always just tried tofigure out, like what I had to
do, to really just try to juststay ahead or get ahead yeah.

(52:57):
Whether it be going downtownevery single day just filing
paperwork to get a certification, just like I'm be, you know,
qualified person, you know, tohave a minority certification.
Regas have a business andyou're a minority, you know.
Go downtown and, you know, getregistered as a minority
business, because a lot of theseplaces what they won't tell you

(53:19):
will like what I learned in thefactory is that, like you
pretty much like you have toemploy like a certain amount of
minorities in order to be ableto get like a certain like tax
write off or something like thatin the year.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know, you've been game, you've been game.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So if they're doing that to you, then why not do
that to them and actuallybenefit from it on your own time
?
All you have to do is justreally understand what it really
opportunities that it gives you, but not only that.
It's like going to school everyday and getting up every day.
You got to stay dedicated 10toes down.
You have to be able to, youhave to actually want it.

(53:58):
But it then gives us that,while you can want it for
yourself, you have to be able towant it for other people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you sayit again, you have to be able to
want it for other people Like Ipersonally believe that each
and every person has, like youknow, I personally that

(54:19):
everybody has an amazing qualityabout them.
I believe somebody had amazingquality skill.
I believe everybody hassomething about them that if
they actually just sat down andit just was like, I put this in
my book.
But there are a couple ofquestions that you ask yourself.
Why do you want to do?

(54:40):
Why do you?
Why do you want a better life?
Why do you want better?
For you know why is it?
You know what makes youqualified to break the
generational curse of let's justspend, spend, spend, spend or
retire with nothing.
What makes you qualify I wouldnothing, Die with nothing.

(55:00):
What qualifies you to breakthat cycle?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I feel like almost you just broke me, paul, but
this is the reason we had theseconversations.
A lot of times they're privateFreedom speakers.
A lot of times, theseconversations that we have are
private and we call normallythese conversations
conversations of fate, becausewe're here discussing the fate

(55:31):
of the people who are under ourpower, who are the talent that
deals with us, and they'reblindly building their futures
on us, and if we slip because ofthe irresponsibilities of
ourself, that clearly means wedon't care about anybody who
falls under our protection.
Okay, so I did I lead into thatof which you stated, of what

(55:58):
makes you qualified, and that'sa question that I recently asked
myself, within like this weekof understanding I get with the
telepathy.
But I asked myself would make mequalified to lead, and I am

(56:22):
huge on leadership.
More on, I am a leader.
I'm not the only leader, but Iam the leader of leaders.
Okay, other leaders look to meand I still look to them for
counsel because I don't fuckingknow at all, but I surround
myself with very, very highlykeen, sharp individuals.

(56:45):
Okay, I am a great ally to themand they are great ally to me
and we both combine together forprotection and survival for
everything that we touch realleadership shit.
We also take care of the peoplethat that are a part of the
team.
So, just a small little flex,because I feel like flexing.

(57:05):
I know me.
Don't throw anything out that Ido as business or money and
stuff like that, because, if youknow me, that shit really
brings me depression.
Most, most people only reallyfuck with me because of what
they see I have or I can do, orthe power controller influence
that I have and I can seethrough.
That business has taught me tobe able to see and feel and have

(57:25):
that gut feeling of if this isgoing to be a healthy
transaction or not.
The HR position in businessreally made me feel like that,
but one of the things I want tojust say as a leader for all of
the team that works with us.
We, as a business, pay 50% oftheir supplemental health

(57:47):
insurance for them, that's lifeinsurance, that's vision, that's
dental, that's accident, that'swhat those is under there.
However, I got a great, greatagent who assist with all of
that and as a business, we pay50%.
Short term disability.

(58:07):
We pay 50% of that.
Okay, 50% of my employees, mytalent, I pay 50% of their
health care.
I don't have machines.
We don't have machines.
We have people have to takecare of them.
Not only do we have competitiverates, man, we have IRAs, we

(58:28):
got retirement.
The company will cosine If youcontract in.
This is business.
This is why they don't want youto have control.
They don't want you to haveopportunity for the people who
work with us.
We, as a business, can.
We can and have cosine forpeople's mortgages, for them to
be able to say, hey, we canguarantee this person and a

(58:49):
place of employment or X amountof time to guarantee that they
can.
They will not default on theirloan.
How many off?
How many business niggas isgiving them because leverage,
not just giving you a pay rate,because even as a business.
But I teach the talent that comein there.
You want more money right now.
I teach you how to clean upyour credit and the bank give

(59:11):
you more money because you wantto ask me for a dollar or $2,
which is more than worthy of forsome that are putting in the
work.
But if you want instant moneynow, let me show you how to get
your credit right.
I am not a credit person whohelps clean and all of that's
not what I do, but I'm a healthyperson and business.

(59:33):
That ain't it.
I'm a flex a little bit tonight.
I've been living off credit.
For years I've been living offa credit.
My credit lines outweigh mysalary, but I can teach people
what I've done through my owntrials and tribulations of what
I've done.
Hey, this is where I started.
That's the real grit of morethan just staying dedicated to

(59:57):
your craft, and learning is likenigga.
How do I leverage the game?
How I'm already dedicated,motherfucker, I'm getting up
every day with the money at whata dollar's at?
How do I get them?
Where are they?
But that's the financialliteracy.
So me learning in business ofhey the team.

(01:00:19):
We pay 50% of theirsupplemental health care
insurance which elevates them tobe able to obtain more, because
they may only add the budget toget X amount of dollars.
But now we pay 50%, it doubles,and maybe even quite true for
some of a coverage for them.
They need more.
They want more money.
I teach them how to go where Igo to the bank.

(01:00:41):
This is where I go, man.
Hey, this is what I have to sayor do, but this is how I make
myself attractive.
That keep in mind their job,the bank's job, is to give money
away.
They make money by giving youmoney.
But you can't go in there withno hope and dream.
You can't go under Like I needa hundred and fifty bands, I'm

(01:01:03):
gonna get my mama job, I'm gonnaget my paint in here and do
this.
It's like bitch.
How are we going to make ourmoney back?
What do you have now ofcollateral for us to even give
you anything?
So, with me learning that I wentto the bank, I didn't know
nothing about credit, but I haddumb stuff on my credit that I
had to pay and I had to makemyself look attractive to the

(01:01:24):
bank like I didn't need them,like a stuck up ass bitch, like
I didn't need the motherfucker,but I really want you.
I can't do I can't really do itwithout you, but I got to act
like hard to get.
But if you're going to give mesomething to get it, I really
don't need it.
But thank you.
But I had to learn that makemyself attractive, that their
job is to give you the money.

(01:01:44):
And if you learn and understandthe bank, they still have a
quarter.
They need to meet as well.
They need to open up so manynew accounts.
They need to get so many newcredit cards.
So many denial, so manyacceptance.
Their job is on the line aswell If they can't get you
approved.
So it's normally not a no, it'sa not right now.
Hey, clean this up, or you'regoing to get a letter in the

(01:02:08):
mail of what you need topossibly clean.
Or hey, look on credit karma.
Or you know you can get a freecredit report, but they just
giving you game on leverage ofyourself.
That you may not even fuckingknow.
You may not even know, but thisis my story of.
This is my story, but this ismy story of telling you, like
what happened to me, what I'vedone.

(01:02:28):
I was able to clean up my creditjust for habits that we all
tend to have.
Man, we ain't black Saint broke, we just got poor financial
literacy.
We are rather beat fliesfucking the backyard looking
with the $1000 worth of clotheson instead of paying off that

(01:02:50):
$1100 worth of debt.
And then you can go to the bankand get a secure credit card.
That's what I did the first and$300 got a secure credit card.
Use that.
Then, as I continue to buildcredit, I went in there and just
ask one day, like I'm in thebind, some other time but what

(01:03:13):
do I qualify for?
Because you, what do I qualifyfor?
Like I had to.
I went in there and asked hey,I'm trying to do some things.
What do I qualify for?
Keep in mind I'm giving, I'mbreaking through layers tonight.
I was operating as a businessman, like a hood dope boy, like the
neighborhood and area that Igrew up in, very inner city,

(01:03:36):
that I was running the business.
Cash in cash out, cash in cashout I had.
I wasn't saving capital.
I didn't have lines of credit.
I didn't have any of those.
I just felt cash was king and Ididn't go to school.
For business man, I didn't goto school for none of this.
However, I survived 10 seasonsin this shit and that's that
need that's to be said.

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People buying houses off of us,cars off of us, extending their
own livelihoods and business,and we help fund that, we help
see that, we help mentor that.
I don't have to change the worldin its entirety, but I change
one person world at a time.
I'm Jesus, I'm demonstrating my, my, my abilities.

(01:04:19):
You wouldn't know Jesus wasJesus if you wouldn't
demonstrate abilities.
He walked amongst the people,right, so I walk amongst the
people, but sometimes I flex ona bitch ass, nigga, and be like
I get your whole teeth fixed,nigga.
I put it on the dental plan andshe be smiling at me.
Really, use that grill for me.
Really, bitch.
But I got dressed, but I'mtalking shit about the time, but

(01:04:44):
I've had to learn that, man,and to come with a certain level
of power that you can changepeople lives instantly.
Okay, I remember, shout out tomy uncle deal and shout out to
little day, david Jefferson, Iwas having a conversation with
them some years ago, man, andjust when I had a IRS, will IRS?
And see, and we don't talkabout that had a IRS will man

(01:05:07):
taxes.
That comes apart of being anentrepreneur.
That's another payroll cycleyou got to pay for.
Basically, just look at it ispaying the mob to stay the fuck
off.
Okay, pay your family, pay yourfamily.
But we was sitting thererapping and talking and they
gave this reminder to me of aman Nigga.

(01:05:29):
I could change bitch phonenumber, change the bitch
curtains and living room set inthe whole house.
He, like a nigga.
You could change this bitchwhole area code.
You could really check thisbitch somewhere else, like.
But I say that to watch yourselfbecause you could be a lick.
You could be a lick to thesebars, you could be a lick to any

(01:05:53):
motherfucking bike.
Damn you, right, man, let meslow the fuck down, you right,
let me give my shit, right.
All right, who licking dope,like.
But just a conversation andrealignment of like.
Hey, man, we know who you are,personality wise and the gifts
wise and what you do, and weknow that your personality

(01:06:14):
hasn't changed by obtainingtangible things or material
things.
My job is to give it away.
Keep in mind, as anentrepreneur, my job is to give
the money away.
I got enough money for me andy'all and I got what you got to
be qualified.
You got to be how you're theright attitude.
We can train you for whatever.
That's normally any position.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
You got to trust you.
Yeah, they got to trust thevision they got to, and that's
the thing.
Like, sorry, like they got totrust the vision, I mean, and
that's it.
Like Visionary is everything.
A visionary is a person thatthe think about it from the
beginning to the end, like theyknow what the exit plan is.

(01:06:56):
Like it's to running a businessis like looking for thrills,
the greatest heist of like yourlife right now, because you're
trying to figure out each andevery single move, while trying
to duck and dodge, like certainshit, while trying to keep your
mental together.
Like so many, if so many, thingsthat can happen, like, if so

(01:07:18):
many things like there are nopaid vacation days on, you know,
running a business, there areno Days off for a death.
Like I remember, like mygrandma remember, like I had a
job going on there was a partycenter and my grandfather just

(01:07:39):
died.
This man, I mean, like a lot ofgrandkids are the great
grandkids children.
Like he gave a fuck abouteverybody to the point where he
would buy properties that familycomes, stay in out, rent pay,
no, rent pay.
You know, whatever you know,it's life such as life With

(01:08:07):
those of his words, like hislife like that, like like, at
the end of the day, anythingthat you do but you punch a
clock, or punch a clock foryourself, it's life is like it's
the most straight line thatthere is.
Like period, it's life iseither going to go left or right
.
You know, I'll tell you rightnow.
Like I remember talking toCounselor at their business.

(01:08:34):
I came over there, was like andI was younger, like we did that
they were trying to figure outthe, the ABD thing and it was
just like, yeah, myself, like hejust seems like he would be a
lot more better.
Just like running his own, likedoing his own thing, like doing
his own business, like justfocus on.
And the thing is that, likemost like growing up, most of my
friends will test.
It is like I've always workedmy dad is still in us like we

(01:08:57):
just had to work.
So like I've always had a jobto grab, shovel, shovel snow,
being around a black on Cedarand Cedar and Warrensville at
Mark's.
You know how people withgroceries and stuff like I just
always worked ahead and knackfor money it's the perfect gift.
Like you know how to make money.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I said that too.
But KJ KJ, my oldest son, he'sinquiring about business.
He first off people Don't tellyour kids much about you because
they can Google.
All right, kj, google doeslooking up our websites, looking

(01:09:38):
up how much money we made likehe's looking up all this stuff.
That's online.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I'm like, you don't need no fucking phone man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Look up, if the earth flat.
He's asking, like how to makemoney and I teach him and I, but
I tell him just from myexperience of Amen, you don't
get no money yet you, you workfor free.
Okay, you work for free, man.

(01:10:07):
So entrepreneurs, hustlers,anybody that's a light that's
looking to gain and putthemselves in that position
where they are leading, theyhave a team.
At the beginning, you willpotentially work alone.
You will not have much.
You will not make much.

(01:10:27):
Whatever you potentially willmake, it goes right back until
either the cost of your ownliving, which in some place will
have to be cut if you, if you,it was to have to potentially be
cut, if whatever your sidehustles are, if they're bringing
in, if they're not bringing inenough, you're going to have to

(01:10:48):
cut some hour or some here.
Or they bring in enough and youneed more, you're going to have
to cut some hour somewhere,like the feed one of them.
So can't sleep with two masters, not at all, you cannot.
So At least you know, you, aslave.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
And if you, if you own anything, are you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
even a slave.
Hey, for real, for real.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Asus at the dust.
I forever be a field nigga.
Salvation, hey, forever be afor real.
For real I will, regardless ofnot just like we're live
straight line Still nigga, itdon't matter, don't matter, it
don't matter if you roll a dicein yourself or just say go ahead
and go, punch this like we'requick.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter the outcome,because I think today it just

(01:11:32):
matters.
What matters is how much youcare.
How much do you care?
So I believe that man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
So I'll say this, man , for anybody that you hear say
fuck a job, don't, don't dobusiness with them, okay, if you
hear them say fuck a job, don'tdo business with them.
If you have people, if theirjob is to hire or me as an
entrepreneur, you as anentrepreneur you hear us saying
fuck a job, get money, you brokebitch, and our life looks easy

(01:12:00):
and their life looks hard.
How well are you leading?
What demonstrations are yougiving with examples are you
setting?
If you are, if you're speakingof a life of ease and then the
people around you are hungry,there only is loyal to you as
often as the check clears, okay.

(01:12:20):
And if they do care, if youhave convinced them and you have
put into their mind that youhave therapeutic, we care, we
care about your living.
No, I'm just talking simple.
Hey, I've been indoctrinatedinto people's mind that their

(01:12:43):
leader that walks amongst them,who takes care of people's lives
, those mind that their leaderthat walks amongst them, who
takes care of things for them,actually cared about them before
they got here.
We had sometimes had to breakthrough that negative barrier of
they probably were a decent orgreat employee somewhere else,

(01:13:04):
but we're treated right, hadpoor management, poor leadership
.
Most people don't leave thecompany because they don't like
the owner.
Most of the time they lead thecompany because they don't get
along with the manager.
So keep in mind just one stepup.
It becomes disruption betweeninside of the machine.
Every part needs to know it'simportant and it and it works

(01:13:28):
from the ground up.
When I go in and I speak to ourtalent, that comes in and I
embrace them and I'm verytransparent with them and I'm a
person still.
I'm not walking around therewith a stick in my ass.
I'm joking.
I'm still a human being and Itry to desensitize them with
like hey, man, don't look at meas this great awe, even though I

(01:13:50):
am.
Please, I walk amongst you.
Don't hold me in some hierarchy, like don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Even for like personal, like self improvement
wise.
I'll be honest, like I like Iworked at a lot of jobs and like
the machine job that I had,like that's probably like the
job that I probably would mean Iprobably ran into like the most
racist stuff, like stuff thatlike sick my stomach even to
this day and I'm just sayingjust like I don't fucking mind

(01:14:28):
dealing with this, I could bepainting some walls right now.
I can be rolling out some.
I forgot I was just rolling outsome walls.
But at the same time, the mindsaid instead of being so hooked
on, instead of being so hookedon like oh man like this, this,
this happened.
All I can honestly tell you isthat something happened.
I'm so far along with like whatI'm doing right now.

(01:14:51):
All I can just tell you is Ijust ran into some racist shit
back when I was at the machineshop.
Like it doesn't even bother me,not, because guess what?
I'm pretty sure like mybusiness has made like way more
easy, way more money than he hasmade in one year, and I
guarantee that and I guaranteethat and I just flex real quick.
I just say that real quick,like for sure, but but.

(01:15:15):
But.
But for the most part is likeit isn't not because I'm looking
at like I want to challenge theworld.
No, I want the world to knowthat it's actually possible, is
possible Like you could own yourown lay the mill, your own
garage and actually havecontracts with different
companies and just run it andthen move from your garage and

(01:15:36):
then move to another facilitywhen you start making the money
to do anything and everythingand everything.
So I've got to start somewhere,like you have to.
And that's the important part isthat you, at least you start
and, and to be told, I'm keepingreform up to my book.
It starts with, like,developing the name, the idea.

(01:15:57):
It all starts with the idea.
You have an idea in your head.
I like doing this, I likebuilding this, I'm like this.
Over time, bought this machinefor this.
I could spend as many invest inthis.
All I got to do is just give acouple of more extra hours
outside of my regular day justto be able to commit this, to do
this just a little bit more.

(01:16:17):
But the thing is is that onceyou start building on that just
a little bit more, then youstart seeing a bit more.
But then, like you said, butthen, like you said, eventually
you get to a point where, likebetween family, regular work,

(01:16:39):
and then what people and therewere people considered to be
your hobby, you make him rarewith your hobby.
Yeah, now it's time to cutsomething.
Now it's time to trim the fat.
Where's the fat at?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, yeah, gotta go down the part time no no fuck
that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I so going back, so go my room.
It's like while up there inlyria Talking my guy, we just
like Make the move.
I'm like we, starting the night, my job called.
My job called literally likemaybe like three, four.
It probably maybe called thatbottle lunch time, so maybe

(01:17:19):
about 645.
It was like um or so, so uh,you know, like I said, I blew my
vacation days right Because Iwas already painting and just
being like I had full, likeThink I had While I was looking
full time and doing it, likewhile looking full time I had I
had full houses to paint, likeyou know, and I'm bringing guys
in and I'm I'm doing, I'mpainting this that I'm bouncing
off at the I'm bouncing.

(01:17:39):
So while I'm being an employee,I'm being a boss at the very
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
And you, and it never stops being that it got to the
point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
It got to the point where, like I go to, I like I
was going to work On friday andI was sitting back.
I already had the machine setup.
I just sit back and I was like,oh, I gotta pay from this
apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yes, they from here too.
Yeah, addicting that's that iswhere the addiction Comes in,
for most people at least, for atleast for me, the addiction
came into play Once, like I said, transactions clear Once you
make.
I remember making my firstdollar doing this, doing

(01:18:27):
business.
So, from sewer to entrepreneursegment, once we apply to the
state of Ohio to become acontractor Due to the board of
developmental disabilities andthe Department of aging, once we

(01:18:49):
got our certification and ourlicense that come to do so, the
real work started.
Okay, the real work began.
The paperwork is the easy partof getting the LLC.
Normally that's $100.
You can do it online and get itin a few days.
Excuse me, you can go to thestate of Ohio, mean a

(01:19:14):
sosohiobusinessgov I believesosbusinessgov or even google
how to start a business in Ohioand it'll bring you up to the
secretary of state website,follow the tabs and they help
you go to how to classify yourbusiness.
But that's the easy part Goingto the bank, taking your state

(01:19:35):
certification and your tax IDand you can get your tax ID
Instantly.
Once you get your certification, it can print it off right then
in that day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I just wrote this shit, I swear, yeah, I swear,
yeah, I swear.
I got like before Like fivehours ago.
I just want to sit my phone,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
This is bimboson curriculum.
Okay, this is the bimbosonacademy curriculum, but you can
get that instantly.
Then you can go to the bank thesame day Well, both of these
documents were possibly ahundred dollars and be able to
open up a business bank account.
Now you're looking, viewed andrecognized as a business,
legitimately on paper.
So I will debunk shit tonightwhen you hear people talking

(01:20:14):
about they waiting around allthis long ass time for their
LLCs.
Man, they bush and you don'tknow what the fuck they doing.
They're stacking and justsaying, if you like is like,
it's something that to glorifyand it's not, it's the
government doesn't fear anybusiness that ain't making no
money.
Okay, if you ain't making nomoney and pushing it through

(01:20:34):
there, you ain't recognized.
You only holding up this paperFor the likes, for the gram.
Shout out to the gram, shoutout to my gram.
So once you do that, the realwork starts.
How do you bring your businessbusiness?

(01:20:56):
You had to tap into marketingand advertisement.
You gotta beat the street, talkto people, put yourself out
there, sell yourself.
You got to be able to makerelationships and communicate
with people.
You got to push yourself in aplace that you've never been
because you ain't never beenhere.
This is new, so you gon fail.
A lot of times, people justlike to sound like they got it

(01:21:17):
going on.
Those who really do move likethat, you rarely ever see them,
you rarely ever hear them, andwhen they are making moves, you
normally paying them in somekind of way.
You normally paying them insome kind of way.
Some of y'all be paying me,right?
No, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Some of you pass me customers and don't even know I
take care of your family Livingin my place.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
But that's business man, that's power, that's that's
that's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
That's that, that's persistence, that's persistence
along with being consistent.
Oh yeah, that's the same thing,that's like.
That's like that's what it is.
It's like, like you said, likeEven going past, like the eion
part, like even gonna pass allof it used to like, like I said,
everybody has something in them.

(01:22:06):
You got to.
You hear it everywhere songs,speeches.
You got to speak it into theyou.
You have to like, you have tolook at yourself and say, look,
just like you better.
Like, jump off the cliff.
Like a lot of people go onvacation.
Jump up clip.
Like if you can jump off acliff, you can start a business.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah, yeah, you're taking a lot of fucking risk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
A lot already, but if you can sit here and say who,
okay, I can do this, I'm gonnafigure this out some way,
somehow.
Like, like, I'm gonna do it,like I can't, like I guarantee
you, like it's been, like it'sbeen years, like I've been out
of my life.
I'm like, like, like each, likeeach and every single year, I'm
doing better and better.
I'm like Just just just chill.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Let me ask you this real quick, because I I said
this to my uh, to my wife,vanessa.
Shout out, vanessa, that's mybaby.
I love you baby.
Thank you for listening to methe other day too.
I needed that.
Um, do you feel that your Mostchallenging year that you've had
in business was your mostproductive year?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, because I was the, because I was here where,
and that's the thing is that,like the business, like if I'm
Because another musical quote,nick mill, said it the best.
He said I'm not in competitionwith my homie, I'm really in
competition with the roley.
My opposition wouldn't be myopposition if they really would

(01:23:38):
have known me.
Um, believe it or not, like thebiggest part, like like the,
the biggest issue, like in thisentire world, to me it's fucking
me, it's yourself.
I don't give a fucking.
I mean, I mean, I mean I do.
But like the biggest problem tome is me Is figuring out.

(01:24:00):
Okay, nigga, like you was justhere, just like Just yesterday,
like don't go back there.
How do you move past rightthere and go forward?
Ah, there you go.
You got to break yourself downagain.
Yeah, you got to break yourselfdown again.
I gotta break myself down again.
Yeah, you got to break yourselfdown again.

(01:24:21):
Okay, now find your motivationagain.
Speak it back into the universe.
Nipsey hustles said.
Nipsey hustles said um, whatwould you say?
Find your purpose.
Are you wasting air?
That's really good.
I like that, like it's almostto the point, like if you're
actually, like if you're really,if you're gonna die working for
somebody who you really die for.

(01:24:42):
This guy right here Are yougonna die or are you gonna die
working for yourself and foryour family?
I'll say setting them up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah, I'll say this because I uh we sit on the side
of giving opportunities too.
Yeah, I would love for somebodyto trust to die next to me in
my leadership.
I would, I would love that andI have that.
I feel like I have that.
I have people who areAncestored in to us with
business Freedom speakers.
I want you to know like I'vehad to have these outer body

(01:25:08):
experience fortune fifthdimensions looking at myself.
I'm a third eye view of likeI'm really living inside of a
dream that I want.
That once was an idea andnobody would believe me.
Nobody would believe me.
I was crazy, I was this, andthen now it's like I always
believed in you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Now you look, you look like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
How do you I said it before how did you always
believe in me?
Or how did you believe in mewhen I didn't always?
It's possible that this personcould have been like Like an
unconditional type of love, likeyour mama you know, I'm saying
your family, shit like that likethat's my baby, even though in
solid it may be like you, try hedoing.
But having to Believe inyourself and I, I get emotional

(01:25:56):
every time I say it because Ibelieve in power, I believe in
spells, I believe in you go towork, me, go to church, and you
pray to Jesus.
That's conjuring up an energy.
You pray to Allah, buddha.
That's conjuring up an energycalling on somebody else's name.
But if I call on my own nameand I put a spell of belief On
my own self, I've got a.

(01:26:17):
I got a spell of belief on myown self.
That's so fucking powerful.
No man can break it that I amonly where I am by God's grace.
And this in this being, that,the, the inside of me, not the,
not the external, that you see,because this can be altered,
this can be altered.

(01:26:37):
But what's coming out of me,the energy that comes out of me,
the, the, the, the being thatcomes out of me.
This person dies and reborn allthe time, almost every every
time.
I need to break myselfPurposely.
Hear me, you hear me.
So this is for people who wantto be an entrepreneur.
This is for people who aresitting in that family man,

(01:26:58):
business man, entrepreneuraround anybody who identify with
this.
You will have to hit your ownreset button.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah they turn on right bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yeah, I call mine reset button as soon as I'm out
of my shit, as soon as I'm outof whack.
I gotta have a conversation ofrealignment with myself, like
all right, get your shit right.
You been furthering up your Godor forgiving guy, which you got
a track record in there.
Get your shit right, he ain'tgonna keep me don't forget.
Bit dead, nigga shit right, butI gotta address me.

(01:27:30):
Before I feel comfortablesitting on somebody else's couch
confessing some shit to them, Ineed to confess it to myself
first.
My own dialogue, my own earsneed to digest what I'm saying
to me.
I need to put a spell on myself.
I need to be able to haveaccountability with myself.
I need to have, I need topractice that with myself before
I can even tell anybody else tohold accountability.
I need to demonstrate a.

(01:27:52):
I'm sorry, and that wasn't cool.
A player fucked up.
I don't even want to shove shiton you of like this is your
fault, but let me demonstratehow much of a g I am and how
powerful I am and and how muchof a fighter I am and all fights
aren't physical, but like a.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't havecalled you on my, my fat boy

(01:28:14):
head as stinky kuchies.
Bitch would have fucked up pHbalance.
I didn't really mean that,though it was true, but I'm
sorry because I hurt yourfeelings and that wasn't the
intent.
I wanted to let you know I wasmad at you and I have to do that
to do it.
I'm sorry.
Can we be friends?
But that's the demonstration ofa power of life.

(01:28:35):
Most people can't apologize.
It's not a strength they have.
Some people don't have theaccountability strength.
Some people don't have mercy,maybe don't have grace, so I'll
give you that, that I'm glad yousaid that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
That's the word, that's the way I've been.
I've been teaching, I've beentrying to teach my kids grace
Show.
Gotta have grace Show, a littlebit of grace.
And give yourself some grace,understand, understand what
somebody else is going through.
You know, take a step back,breathe.
I grace your damn cell.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, understand what somebody else is going through,
because, ultimately, like, evenlike with business, like I said
With business, business eithergonna make you a break, that's
it and that and that and like,that's why I like it, like it's
the greatest.
So yeah, I'm a competitor.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
It's like it's it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
It's one of the greatest challenges that like
I'm actually like doing rightnow because like I'm really
testing my meta right now, likeI'm really like, like I'm really
seeing here, like Look, manLord, like fuck to me, victor,
no, this is like I got thefucking money.
Like, but like I'm doing, I'mdoing, I'm doing, I'm doing it.
Money, money, money, money.
I have to keep proving myselfand telling myself like, all

(01:29:54):
right, you can do it, but at thesame time like look at that
money, like yeah, you doing alot of my badness.
Let me work on my.
Let me go ahead working mycredit.
Yeah, let me go ahead andactually just start like really
like give me the fuck about what, like where my money is going,
yeah, and how.
I actually like really want tobe like Living for real, because

(01:30:14):
I live in situations likePretty fucking expensive very
much so, man, very, very much so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
So, even with the the bimbo us that information we
give to our people in there.
We give them the information ofUh, how to get their credit,
and just just getting I startedgiving this information.
I'm gonna start here.
I started giving thisinformation because when people
just being transparent, learningto be transparent, taking away

(01:30:42):
the negative narrative ofemployee versus employer and
giving this information, youfeel like I'm putting the team
up on game and I ain't the onlyone in here just winning.
I'm giving leverage um.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
But that's, that's a whole another.
That that's a whole anotherlevel.
Understanding too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
It's being able to actually like take yourself from
like a full, like like afull-time employee and being
that type of person who was like, oh, we fucked this job, we're
like uh, to actuallyunderstanding, like both sides
of it, how important themanagement employee thing is, I
would love to go into politicsand sit on a sitting old seat
somewhere and be able tonegotiate Terms and laws and
policies for people, because Iget the chance to understand it

(01:31:18):
from the ground up, exactly getto understand what the people
need.
I'm for the people, I love thepeople, I am empowered by the
people.
Fred Hampton type shit likemake a.
I love the people.
Is this why my, my bro holds,who ain't here today?
He's sick y'all.
So freedom speakers, send uhspirit fingers and positive
ginger ale over to uh my co-hosthouse house, uh, the pow house.

(01:31:43):
He got a lot of kids too, sothey ain't getting no sleep.
I love you, bro.
And then my sister's over theretoo.
Uh, take care of that mantonight, man, he's a whole lot
better director with us when, uh, when he's released.
So, sis, hook him up uh, renderhim his dude.
He, he's been managing anddirecting the fuck out of

(01:32:05):
everything.
Man and that man and mosteveryone to give him his flowers
.
That man is a man with 100%,100 grand.
That's my nigga, that's mynigga, nigga, nigga.
And I love going into battleevery day with him.
So me and him uh had to have aconversation as kings and at a

(01:32:27):
time man.
I wasn't as great to that man asI needed to be in business as a
leader, because I wasn't theremyself.
I wasn't even treating myselfwell.
I didn't know how to place avalue on me.
So how could I show value if Ican show?
I didn't have a discipline onwhat I ate, who I talked to,
what I put in my body, just in.
I didn't.
I didn't have any kind ofdiscipline.

(01:32:48):
That was really some kingdisease type shit that almost
took me out.
I was extremely fucking sick,not just physically but mentally
.
So when I had to do a hardrecalibration, a hard reset, a
factory reset, the old me had todie spiritually.
The old me had to die.

(01:33:08):
And who you see in front of younow, what's coming out of me now
, is not the same person, acomplete change of my attitude,
my mental, my thinking.
The old me is in anotheruniverse, dead or in jail, and
he ain't doing well.
He's not doing well.

(01:33:30):
Okay, this person here is like.
I have the opportunity to do itright again.
I got an opportunity to notfuck up a gift that God has been
able to grant me with.
I had to just have anunderstanding and ability to not
Be my own worst enemy, havingany and everything in my
disposal.
I'm having money, I'm havingwomen, I'm having opportunities.

(01:33:52):
I lost my, I gained the worldand lost myself, which which
brings a depression to me ofmoney, of like I have more than
what I need to take care ofthings.
That's what I have is theentrepreneur, but it becomes.
I'm so sensitive to who aroundme because I had to figure out
who really was around me andwhat they were for, where they
purposeful for me can.

(01:34:14):
Is this person really into mebecause of me, not because of
how how much I can save them,how much that I can change their
lives, how much a I can changeyour area code.
Or 60 dollars for your phone.
Be you willing to give yourselfall up.
I just need 60 dollars.

(01:34:34):
Whatever, what can I do for you?
I'm like me and my niggas smokeup and drink up.
That's a breakfast.
So 60 dollars, make or breakyou, that ain't even nothing I
want for me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
For me, it's like Just trust me, trust me, trust,
no, no, no.
Like for me, like that's likelike regardless and not like
what I've had to learn.
Like the businesses Regardless.
Not like like who wants tointeract with you business wise,
or who does what the things goright with things go wrong,
regardless, and not what mostpeople don't really understand.

(01:35:11):
It's like really grasp up.
Is that nigga?
You still gotta hold togetheryou still gotta not be like Okay
, this customer wants to see me.
What's the problem now?
No, no, you're trying to like,okay, but then you need the
money.
What people don't understand isthat nigga really has to keep

(01:35:34):
it together.
Together between no, no, like,between like, like you said,
depression, the Losing yourselfand just filling yourself a bit
too much, that everything likethey have to keep it together.
So the only way to keep ittogether is to actually figure
out how to actually do better,how to do better, yeah, yeah,

(01:35:56):
but and you actually have toactually care, because you still
have to.
You still have to, like yousaid, you still have to actually
remind yourself Of actually whyit is you're actually doing
this.
But then the people who areactually watching you believe it
or not, leave her or not thebiggest people who you actually
have to prove to, are the oneswho actually put the greatest

(01:36:17):
trust in you, and that's theones who live in your household.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Yeah, you been at work all day I was work.
Yeah, but if you, if you come,if you've been at work every day
, all day, and then they comehome and things not working,
it's like what are you doing?
How about you were working?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
If the bread ain't coming in, then the nigga ain't
working.
It ain't working.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
So I don't matter, it don't matter what the hours is,
that if it ain't, if they addenough if it ain't add enough.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
So you know, I'm saying like another thing is
like it's a, it's a whole,another level of accountability,
especially when you got, yougot your partner looking at you,
your wife looking at you,whoever it is, whatever.
You got kids got you, you gotpay bills, you got to do whoo,
whoo, you got to produce.
But the same, but the same time, like at the same time, at the

(01:37:17):
same time, at the same time.
You have to try to refrain fromwanting to be motherfucking
meaty doker, a meaty yoker asperson, geez, that's.
I mean to be talking while likeI ain't gonna hold you, like
it's been.
It has been times where, likebusiness and work Bit slow, and

(01:37:42):
I swear to you, man, like Ireally felt, like like I was
putting applications, like likeI ain't gonna hold you, like I
like things were slow, like, andI did reapply back to like my
old job, but of course because I, you know, or through vacation
days, and you know you gave thema fuck, you, they felt but see,
but see.
But the one but see was thattoo, but, but, but the but.
The one thing I also had torealize was that I also had

(01:38:04):
somebody looking out for me too.
Like the company I was at, likethis was like the first black
supervisor there, so he waslooking out for me and anybody
else a color man he was lookingout, but as soon as he started
getting shit that he was like,like you said, he was bounce who
left.
But then it was like who?
Oh man, this was.

(01:38:28):
This was the white man reallylooked like a front.
It was like that they reallystarted coming.
They really started coming.
And it got to the point whereit was like they started coming,
started coming, like I swear toyou, dude, swear, they was
coming.
And then even like, like it gotto the point where, like I was
being on time and then it was tothe point where, like now I was

(01:38:49):
working too much over time orit was, uh, you know, let's go
ahead and move you anothermachine.
Or it got to the point where,like they wanted to redesign the
machine shop and bring newmachines in there and like my
machine was down for a long timeso I wasn't working, I was
painting.
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
I was painting, I was painting, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
But I was by that, by that time, like I was actually
painting like under my businessname and I was still working
full time.
I didn't actually quit my jobto maybe like 10 months
afterwards excuse the face, mybig geek Good bottle.
About 10 minutes, about about 10months, and I'm just like I

(01:39:36):
gotta do something different.
I'm like, because I alreadyknow like they don't eat me, I'm
, I ain't gonna hold you.
Like I told you like, eventhough I actually gave a shit
about the job, the politicsdidn't give a shit about me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They want the mood.
The company didn't care aboutthe people in there, nothing,
they didn't care about nothing.
Or not, everybody not that theydidn't care about the people.
They probably, they probablyhad to select few, but they
didn't care about everybodyunanimously having at least a
base for how everybody.
I ain't gonna hold you man Dointhem fucking things given to
christmas dinners.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I wanted to be like I'm eating this shit man, fuck
this shit.
Like it like because like a lot, like, a lot of like, a lot of
like for me.
For me, like I said, like Drakesaid on uh, deeper pockets, he
was like there's something in me, it's taking over it.
I gotta break it down, bust itopen and then start rolling.
And somebody else are takingnotice.

(01:40:26):
I knew, like I started gettingto a point where, like I was fed
the fuck up and like I'm sayingI'm like fucking 25, 25, 26, 27
maybe you know I'm ear-tainthis shit.
I'm like I'm like a fucking 50year old man like, hey, joe,
like I feel that shit.
He's fucking chair this hard ashell.
Hell with this place.
You know this fucking turkey,like, but the the bullshit.

(01:40:48):
Like a Tencent raise, thoughI'm working all this overtime.
But if I had, I actually had to, if I actually had to sit here
and figure out with a littleovertime I needed, but then with
the max, was that's fuckingretarded, that's sad, that's no,
but like that's sad to thepoint where, like you actually

(01:41:10):
have to actually like put afucking ceiling on yourself, but
it's not even your ceiling.
They're telling you that you'reonly worth 17, and then, oh
yeah, they bouncing and you moveto a level four machine.
So now you're worth 20something dollars an hour man.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
For some people that works, I can't, but others well,
no no, no, I'm just saying itdon't if others it don't.
So I say it is man for For me,learning myself like and
learning people, learning theteam, still Becoming like a
master of human nature.

(01:41:48):
Some people don't want thatresponsibility.
People don't want to grow.
They want the protection andsafety of the job.
They want to be able to a Make,make the money and put that on
themselves.
And you know that some peoplewant that because they possibly
haven't been exposed to more.

(01:42:09):
Not that that isn't a negative,not that.
Not that that's Not that that'sa negative, but it is of like.
True, you do need to grow andexpand if you care of
information, knowledge you don'thave to possibly pursue, but
like somebody should show youyour value.
You know I'm saying so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
But that's why.
But that's why this right hereis like this right here is like
it's necessary Because, like mymind's like I'm not knocking
anybody like who works If itworks, it works To be told like
I got so much shit in my mind'smission trying to do, but for
the most part, if you actuallyfeel you actually know for a

(01:42:50):
fact that like you're grinding abit too hard and it, and you
feel like it is possible to likegrind a bit harder, but you
know, actually take like thesecond hustle seriously or just
whatever it takes or whateverwhatever to do it.
Pretty much a do whatever it.
If you feel like you could, ifyou feel like it didn't just do

(01:43:10):
it, right, that's it.
Like that's how I'm juststraightening out right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
So I say this man, when it comes to a, as I've
learned, man, as I learned you,you not meant to be capped at a
certain thing.
You want to control an R,controlling your own shit.
So you are demonstrating tomyself and to other people who
are involved in the view withyou of the, the grind and the

(01:43:37):
hustle.
Gonna come with some bumps andbruises, gonna come with some
lumps, but like, keep in mind,I'm winning and it's still a
fight.
Still, a fight is what it'salways gonna be.
You know, I'm saying so, melearning.
Just, even with the team ofsome people who I could have
great plans for them, I couldsay, hey, I want to be able to
put this person in this placewhere it becomes one more money,

(01:44:01):
but they don't want them moreresponsibility or the overall
Responsibility that comes withit.
So what's just kind of havingthe flexibility with businesses?
We'll give more money but wewill add in just a lower level
of responsibility.
Let them know how importantthey will be in any position,
enough what, what we need forthem to do, what you know, just

(01:44:23):
really given the curriculum, andlet them know how valuable they
are and how valuable we valuethem and them taking this on
helps out the entire team, notus, not just singularly myself
or you know.
You know nothing.
That is you helping out.
Everybody else coming in doingthis or doing is taking this on.
That makes it a lot easier.
And expressing to him like man,at the end of the year you

(01:44:46):
doing this, this saves thecompany X amount of dollars so
you can be able to get Raised.
And I'm not a I'm not aconventional raise giver of all.
You been here a year.
You get this and get that.
No, I'm a performance andclutch type of raised
Entrepreneur.
Hey, this person's been comingin clutch, they've been picking

(01:45:07):
up this.
They've been, you know, they'vebeen making themselves a part
of the team by doing more, notjust what they've contracted to
do.
We're just doing more.
How more cannot be of service?
And that allows us to be ableto say how much more can we do
for you, right, how much morecan we take care of you or you
coming in, freeing up our hoursand time, that we don't have to

(01:45:30):
do these roles anymore?
We trained you properly, givingyou the Curriculum you need to
pull from you.
Have us, you have your leadersaround you that are giving you
examples and your ongoingtraining.
It's a continuous thing.
It's not just the.
You went through orientationand that's it.
But when this person is showingefforts and showing more, I

(01:45:55):
Look at that and see it on thelevel of numbers.
When I'm doing payroll and I'mdoing books and I'm doing this,
I'm like this person has reallybeen okay.
So when I'll see them coming inclutch Some may get that, may
just see it on a paycheck.
They get a dollar, two dollarraise, a continuous and it a
little memo note keep up thegood work.
Some may get you know, I mightjust come in and walk around

(01:46:17):
like you got a raise, but it'sone of those of like, in the
grand scheme of things, I get tosee every.
I get to see the entire board,everything, as I, as I
gracefully say, I Started allthis motherfucking shit.
Okay, I started it all.

(01:46:40):
I know what each position needs, I know how to develop it, I
know how to critique it, I knowhow to grow it.
That's my shit.
I did, but I share.
I share responsibility.
I don't want it all to fall onme, because then that's just
fucking selfish, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I would love to be able to share the responsibility
I have to.
But I, but I but I.
That's the thing, though, isit's like, once you start like
getting with business and youstart going, you going, the
thing is like the bumps that youfall on you're not falling back
on them will spend, said, youfall forward, you fall forward
everything that you're doing andyou're not falling back.

(01:47:16):
You just move for you.
But even as you move forwardlike you want to, you want to
tell people how to, you want totry and coach them along and try
how to move for it like youknow.
It bring like it kind of bringlike a whole, not level, like
responsibility.
It's like I got to.
I got to help somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Yeah, and I feel selfish.
We're not if I harbor thisinformation or I'm only at a
place of comfort, material wise,or I don't have certain Worries
, like I got other set to worry,but I'm not per se burdened by
what I would consider expenses,like I gotta spend money.

(01:48:01):
So no matter where I'm spendingmoney's, like I gotta spend it
because if I don't I gottaeventually give a portion of it
back to the government.
So every dollar dollar earn isgonna be a dollar spent
somewhere.
Ain't no point even thinkingabout it.
I can advance, I can get my.
So I'll tell you this Inbusiness we're structured as an
escort.

(01:48:21):
There's a escort business andthat came along because of a
financial tax break that the,that is me.
These are rules of thegovernment layout.
There's nothing that they'replaying favorite to me.
But there's a side of businessthat I didn't know until I
obtained, you know, anaccountant to help me manage all
of these things, because Idon't know like I had to obtain
that information.
But him explaining to us of themoney that we were making and

(01:48:45):
going into this particularquarter, seeing our projections,
he was like, amen, it might beIn your best interest was to
open you up a escort so that youmake yourself an employee of
the company and you pay Payrolltax for yourself, along with the
team, and you make you take ahefty salary which saves you on
the back end of not having to bedouble dipped into medicare,

(01:49:06):
medicare taxes of that nature,free gas, free gas.
Yeah, so me being able to, youknow, take that information.
No one give myself a salary, butlearning business.
And like I can't even get mysalary but learning business.
And like I got addicted tothings of that nature.
Uh, but when I, when I learned,like, okay, this is how much

(01:49:28):
money I got, I make is how muchmoney I spend, these are what my
expenses are, these are what mytaxes are, this is the kind,
this is the cost of doingbusiness, certain things just
become an expense, just becomesan expense.
I got to pay the mortgage inhere, I got to pay the rent
there.
I got to pay for the lights andgas at three, four, five
different locations.
You learn how to reason.

(01:49:49):
Yeah, you, it comes with.
You learn how to reason, youlearn how to negotiate, you
learn to become political,diplomatic, even with yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Yeah, I'll be like Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
I'm okay with this.
I'm gonna let this go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm okay, or, or, or, or two.
We saw that like a job, like,even for me, even for me just
telling myself, like every eightsaid, sometimes I gotta make, I
gotta make little bands by mylonely like.
Sometimes I gotta remember,like, like, uh, when I first,
when I had first started mybusiness, um and Like, please
like.
If you're interested in beinglike an entrepreneur, don't be

(01:50:22):
afraid to go on like facebookand find groups of you know
different business owners, likedifferent businesses, and ask
questions and get advice because, honestly, that could be those
like those little bit ofcomments, those words can be the
major difference between, likeyou actually taking a step
forward or taking a step back,between doing it.
It's a little bit about beingvulnerable, um, but at the same

(01:50:46):
time, um, you know, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Yeah, you, you, you gotta want it, man, you gotta,
you gotta want it, you gotta putyour your best foot forward,
man, and I say even for myselfnow, learning business, learning
, uh, some of these skills thatI learned and business are like
how to stand up for myself, yeah, exactly how to be able to say
what it is that I want and Ineed, and to be able to
discipline myself to say I don'twant that, I don't, don't,

(01:51:17):
don't, don't do that to me and Ican do better.
Yeah, I could do better, I ambetter.
You know I'm saying I don'tdeserve this.
This is a certain value that Ihave beyond the uh, the tangible
or the Uh, the material thingsof yeah, I could buy you a Camry

(01:51:37):
, yeah, I'm gonna pay, you payyour rent, or like, check that.
You think like it's, like youdon't, you can't be responsible
enough for yourself.
One of the last.
Somebody else gotta come in andsave you for being
irresponsible, or you ain't gotto discipline on yourself as a
person.
So how the fuck am I as a manor a husband gonna come in to

(01:51:58):
discipline you, or as a boss,gonna come in to discipline you,
or just a citizen in this, in acity of like discipline,
somebody that's trying to dosomething to me or not.
Having that, that net you knowI'm saying so it it turns into
like man, you have to reallywalk, walk the walk.
You gotta be.
It can't be no faking in therebecause you would it a crack.

(01:52:18):
You have to be yourself, youhave to be genuine, you have to
be authentic, you have to bewhatever it is.
You can't fake it.
So me, me, learning like andknowing like man.
I started losing a lot inbusiness at a certain time when
I was in that king's disease,when I was just, I had whatever
it is that I want and I didn'tknow a limit.
I couldn't discipline myself.

(01:52:39):
Having things at my disposal,just having it wherever and
whenever I wanted, got me fat asfuck, got me sad as fuck.
Like I gained the world but Ilost myself, a legitimate me,
lost myself.
I had materials, I had thosethings, but None of that should
value like family to me.

(01:53:00):
None of that should value humaninteraction, human nature, and
it mean anything if I wasn'table to spend time with my
children, spend time with myfamily, my lady.
It didn't mean much If I, if I,lost them in any kind of way.
A car wouldn't heal that, a newhouse wouldn't fix that.
More ice on my wrist wouldn't,wouldn't, wouldn't heal that

(01:53:21):
pain.
You know, I'm saying I wouldneed love and comfort from a
healing energy type of person,knowing that is an energy that I
have and and it can be drained,it can be taken advantage of,
because that's the selflessness.
That's the selflessness, but avery healthy blend of.
I exercise saying no, a lot, aLot from my own

(01:53:48):
self-preservation.
I have to say no, I got caughtup too much saying yes and they
couldn't live up to somethingthat I agreed to.
In happiness, putting myself,putting this person before me,
knowing that a whatever I'moffering them is probably what I
need for myself too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Because you're just so selfless.
You're selfless, you, just you,just you, just you have, you
have so much in you.
You literally could just giveit away.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
I got more than what I need.
In a lot of things I got morethan what I need and should be
so like my whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
I enjoy like, I enjoy my, like I enjoy my.
I enjoy the fact that I'm not.
My time is not controlled,besides by what?
Besides, I guess, whatever itis that's determined, that
that's making, that's motivatedme like I Go for the gut.
Like, gotta go for the guts.
You gotta always want toconstantly want to improve.

(01:54:42):
You gotta always, constantlywant to look at your numbers and
see, okay.
Well, for me it was like, yeah,okay, there are a couple
aspects of like painting.
I'm like they can just fuckingspend the money by the fucking
machine learn just fucking learn.
Just Stop stop being socomfortable with spending the

(01:55:05):
money.
Man, I actually be comfortablewith just being like, but at the
same time, it's like, dependingon, like, the people who, like
I, might have brought on, likeit might have Gonna spray, it's
cool, I'm paying, bro, like I'm,I'm comfortable with that, I'm

(01:55:27):
hanging.
But then he got to a pointwhere, like now, I'm not
comfortable, but then also gotto a point where, like now, it's
like whenever, like we docollaborate or do, is it?
I want to make sure I bring myshit to the table, mm-hmm,
especially, put it back to likea little pain.
So it's like you definitelyhave to, you have to want to
improve, and only way to improveyou gotta believe in
reinvesting yourself, breakingit back down, breaking the

(01:55:51):
formula back down, figuring outwhat you need to add into the
formula to try and get this togo and and not be afraid,
actually just Go out alone.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, that one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
We go, go, go go.
I mean, I mean, uh, man, likewe gonna tap on this full second
freedom speakers.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
I just I just want to say this it almost seems like
we're running a business that,like each and every some bad
thing that happens, like it kindof feel like your brain as an
entrepreneur like bills, like acocoon, like Slowly but surely
it's like you keep going.
You're like it, just it grows.
And it grows Because it's likeit's for your own protection.
It's like you're going whatyou're doing right now, you're

(01:56:30):
going after.
You're literally like just,you're literally waking up every
single morning and you're paidlike the tracks ain't down, I'm
just okay, this one got go left.
This one gotta go go right.
This one gotta go go left.
Okay, this one kind of fuckedup, I got it.
Stop.
Put a pause.
Star jet readjust.
It's like every single day whenyou wake up, it's like it's

(01:56:54):
like it's a constant fight.
I enjoy it.
It's fucking exhaustingsometimes.
I enjoy it, but it's fuckingexhausting sometimes.
Sometimes it's hard to try andlike Keep it together.
Sometimes you try and thinkabout like some, some, some
things just become a bit toomuch.
But then that's why, at thesame time, like you still have
to remember like I started thisjourney.

(01:57:16):
I Can't sit here and just stop.
I can't sit here and just stop.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
I got people to be in too.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Too far, too far too far in Been ten toes down, like,
let me go ahead, let me goahead and readjust, recalibrate
with their problems back on, getthe music back for one.
Let me go ahead and listen tomy music.
Let me go ahead and listen tothe baby.
No tears, I ain't got no tears.
You know like I ain't got thetime, I ain't got no time to cry
.
I don't have no like choke up alittle bit, but I don't have

(01:57:48):
time to but but I don't.
I don't necessarily there's notime to be so held up, I can't.
It's.
It's just, nicky, you eitherwant to see what's gonna happen
next, like try to like see whathappened next and you know, or
you just gonna be like laid.
You're gonna be looking likeMike Tyson hit you in the face.
You're gonna be like oh, I gotthis dude.

(01:58:09):
Oh, yeah, it is this.
Uh, you know who, who you can,if you ain't like.
It's like when you wake upevery single morning, it's like
it doesn't matter what time youwake up, whatever time you're
about time, you start to rankyour business.
If you watch Game of Thrones,you see the.
You watch Game of Thrones, yousee the, the shields and stuff,
the Armors, the head plates, thechest plates.

(01:58:30):
But they're also thinking like,yeah, you know, pass me that,
you know this, that in the third, you know, let's go ahead and
get everything.
Everybody set up.
You know who they got.
They're on guard, they're on,they're on point every single
day and some, some of the days,don't know nothing happened.
They just some of the day.
The day is walking around.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
But for an entrepreneur, with the day, your
enemy waiting for you to slip.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
But for an entrepreneur, you're constantly
thinking about your biggestenemy is not making money.
Your biggest enemy for, likeBesides yourself, beside
yourself, the sidekick is notmaking money.
The sidekick is not figuringout how to evolve your business,
how to evolve your marketing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Mm-hmm.
So I'll say this man, you hiton a lot of different things, so
One of them is freedom speakersfor people out there.
You cannot loan withentrepreneurship.
Okay, you cannot loan withentrepreneurship.
You can't be in the kitchenmaking all them plates on your
own.
You can't be out thereshoveling that snow by yourself,

(01:59:32):
cutting that grass, possiblyeven cutting the hair you need
to make it.
Sweep it up, clean up theclippers by by, sale your
product with all of that man.
So you cannot.
You needed a financial person,an accountant possibly, to be
able to help you get, maximizeyour spending and let you know
what um, laws and things thatare out there for your industry.

(01:59:54):
So you, you, you need that man,you need that.
So.
So one of some of theinformation I want to get the
people out there tonight is forany entrepreneur in hustling.
I hope covet has taught us allsomething when it comes to
business, okay, as a businessthat is, I'm thankful to still

(02:00:14):
be open and operational with allthe different things that we've
done, but learning how toadjust into, adapt that you, you
find some empathy and sympathyfor your employer, or if you
have become an employer yourself, because a lot of people have
stepped into the realm ofbusiness, opening so many

(02:00:36):
different doors for themselvesand there are others and their
children and showing that heything, you, you are learning to
make a difference in changingyourself.
So I say that to say Hopefullyyou gain some empathy and
sympathy now, become steppinginto that level of
entrepreneurship that you get tosee that, hey, you, you can't
say fuck a job when, if youlevel it up in your business and

(02:00:59):
you need to hire help, now Areyou gonna hire the help or the
person that says fuck a job?
They got that mentality orthey're constantly trying to
rival on who is in charge andyou, you picking at you for you
giving them an opportunity andthey're growing off of your pain
.
I so I ask you like, hey, youhave to really care about people

(02:01:22):
and I hope that you learn someempathy and some sympathy With
people, giving them anopportunity, giving them a
chance, giving them grace tohate.
Maybe they came from a failedschool system, maybe they came
from a failed employerpreviously, maybe they never
been taught a certain valueabout themselves.
So when people come and workwith us and they become a part
of the team, they come in as thetalent with us.

(02:01:44):
We recalibrate that whole humanbeing and let them know how
valuable they are.
How many owners do that?
How many owners?

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
give a fuck.
I mean owners, show theyplaybook.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Yeah, like very so.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
So so little, so little hints to the playbook.
Give out a little bit of youknow some leverage, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
I'm leveraging the game, so not just running up
overtime.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
So show you some shit because, like you said, being
an entrepreneur you can't do ityourself.
You, you're, you're, you'reconstantly trying to look for,
like You're looking for one oftwo things For one you're
looking for your exit plan.
Your exit plan, you either belooking for, like you know, real
estate, whatever, like whateverEither that, or you're looking
at actually trying to build up abusiness.
Now, the one thing that I'velearned in business is that that

(02:02:31):
the definition of actuallyhaving a real successful
business is that if you canactually sit sit down and write
out A manual for your businessand hand a manual to somebody
else and somebody can read thatmanual and learn how to actually
Comprehend and run thatbusiness, then you've run a
successful business.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
And you've simplified it into an art form.
You put it into an art formthat someone can read this or
watch this.
So, speaking as an art, wediscussing business now With our
etiquette in our vocab in our80, in our 80d and 80hd.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
like I'm on the spectrum, I don't know what I
got but me.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
What's that other billionaire, most billionaire,
is on the spectrum.
I'm on my way.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
I'm on my way, I'm gonna find something.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
But I say that, man, just we, we show love in that
leadership position andentrepreneur position.
You have to care about people,you have to care about growth,
you have to care aboutdevelopment.
You almost have to besacrificial and make yourself
the example that it can be done.
It can be proven.
So we don't do this for show,we do this for love, we do this

(02:03:40):
for the care of what we do.
We do it with a hint ofsurvival, we do it with a hint
of teaching, like a.
I tell my son I wish I had a mein my household growing up, like
you do that every day.
He has somebody there thatcares.
That is.
I'm handling parenting everyday as a new thing because it's

(02:04:06):
new to me every day.
I ain't never done this shitbefore and I'm sometimes as
immature as the goddamn kidsBecause I like to have fun.
God, I mean, I've earned tohave to laugh and do shit, bitch
, so but I, I, I give myselfthat that grace man and I put.

(02:04:26):
I learned to love myself andI've learned to Puzzle, place a
value on myself, and I learnedto Radiate that and show that
and give that to other peopleand let them know like, hey, you
can have a value for you too,man.
You can mandate somebody totreat you a certain fucking way,
don't?
You?
Don't have to subject yourselfto just the epitome of what
somebody feel like they're gonnagive you.

(02:04:47):
You remember we just spokeabout that at work that the boss
felt like, hey man, they'regonna just give you whatever the
fuck they want to give you.
Your spouse can feel likethey're gonna just give you
whatever the fuck they want togive you.
The world can feel like they'regonna just give you whatever
the fuck they want to give you.
You got to stand up and demandsome shit or fucking take it All
right, except in the realm ofwomen could do.

(02:05:07):
That's like they can presscharges, that's like stuff Don't
do.
Don't do that, but say somethingto that motherfucker, I speak
up, don't, don't, don't, don't,don't, don't, don't do that.
Say something, niggas.
Say Something to squeak youwill gets the oil.
Do not harbor, do not suppressit.

(02:05:29):
It, it, it, it.
It will cause a war inside ofyourself and eat you up and you
putting a punishment on you thatyou don't deserve Because of
how somebody else is treatingyou.
So you fucking yourself overtwice, you allowing them to
treat you some goddamn way, andthen you allowing yourself to
allow yourself to be treated Inthe motherfucking way.
Two wars inside of you, andthis person is living fucking
carefree.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
You gotta say something, and for one, they put
their pants on the same way youdo, and for two, they're in you
, allowing them to put a fuckingceiling over you.
Fuck, that ain't too many yearsof my fucking life, hell, no,
I'm not about the loud.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
I'm not gonna let somebody dictate how great I can
fucking be.
I would never do that.
I would never do that again.
I muted myself at the time inmy life because my, my life was
more like I'm a deep, passionate, philosophical, intelligent,
emotionally mature, emotionallyimmature, fucking adult.
Okay, I crossed over immenselyto a different place.

(02:06:27):
That shit makes sense and I got.
I know what I gotta do, I can,I me.
Bitching the morning comes apart of the be bitching the
morning about it is a part of myuh grieving with having to do
it.
It's a part of my coping ofanother day.
All right, all right, let's getit.
Man, let me, let me put thisspell of happiness on myself.

(02:06:50):
Let me put my good tunes on,let me smoke my potent bag of
herbal essence that helps meconnect, get, get, so be up so
high, tickling Jesus feet.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
Sometimes it's tickling Jesus feet, sometimes
it requires silence.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
I ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
I ain't go.
Oh, oh silence, oh silence onthe road from me.
No like, and I'm like no music,I'm me like, oh, I'm me, like
it's been, it's been a certaintime period Like I've had to
like, really like, break myselfdown and really cab rate and
listen to no music, listen tonothing.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
so we, we're gonna go introspective for a second man,
we're gonna go mental.
Okay, when you are in silenceby yourself, are your thoughts
in your head louder?
Yes, can you hear your ownthoughts louder like?

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
oh, yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm believe or not.
Like my um, my greatestsupervisor, big, a kind of metal
, uh, he told me one time he waslike look like you having a
hard time.
He was like just sit back,relax.
Who they doing on the order?
Just throw all the people sitback, throw all the pieces up

(02:07:58):
and just sit back.
You know you got, you gotinformation in front of you.
Just piece it together, silent,piece it together, that's it.
That's the one thing that, likebeing an entrepreneur and like
done for me, like is, it'sallowed me to be able to control
how loud the world the world tome is, like the world to me is

(02:08:18):
allowed it's loud.
Right now, what we doing isjust quiet.
The world outside here, outsideof my house, is loud, but I've
actually learned to be able,like I've learned to just say no
, I want.

(02:08:39):
So, whether it's Between thehours of like two and four in
the morning or if it's betweenthe fucking hours of like me
driving from one job to anotherjob I'm at three or four job
sites in a day like it doesn'tmatter If I know that I need
silence from like the outsideworld, from like Mainly music
and just like just everythingand it take it back to square

(02:09:02):
one, take it back to zero.
I will do it Only because Irefuse to crash, I refuse to
burn out.
I like that, I refuse to letwith.
I Not only has been anentrepreneur like.
It helps you with your it.
It helped like.
Really, most importantly, itreally it helps you with

(02:09:22):
yourself.
It helps you with dealing withother people.
It helps you with dealing withyourself, other people, grace,
understanding other people.
It helps you understand life,the human interaction.
It helps you it helps you becomethe parent you know.
It helps you become like oh,I'm gonna call you when
something's going wrong.
Like you know it forces you tolearn skills, but it also helps

(02:09:46):
you be able to the reason howshe'd be able to say, okay, well
, that's the thing about this.
You, as an entrepreneur, likeyou, have your own equation in
your head how you figure outlife.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
He's just like because there's no, morally, you
got your word, how you feel,but there's no right or wrong
way of how you, how you dothings, never.
So I'm gonna give you, I'mgonna give you a quick story,
real quick freedom speakers.
You might have hear her on Someof the advertisements for the
show.
Uh, the children are on theshow, they have An ad on there

(02:10:23):
and that came about actuallyalmost as a punishment.
Okay, so I'm gonna give you thestory.
My oldest boy, he uh, who I love, that's my, my junior man, ken
Wan, I lead junior, powerful,powerful, but he Uh adjusting to

(02:10:43):
sixth grade having, uh, youknow, there's newfound
responsibility placed up on him,um, newfound goals and
achievements he need to meet,like he has to make gains as
everyone else.
So one of the teachers were Asub and they were seemed like
the cool sub.
They Communicate and meet thechildren with a level of humor.

(02:11:07):
Uh, because every human being,humor is every human being's
commonplace.
So in another universe, man, Iwas going to be a teacher and or
professor in college and Iwould have used humor to connect
.
You know, so I understand it,what the key is.
That being said, kj ended upbeing viewed as disrupting the

(02:11:29):
class because he connected withthe humor but didn't know when
to turn it off.
Um led to my man having adetention, led to having to
explain like you got to handlethis, you can't do this, can't
do that.
But then it also led to wehaving a counseling meeting at
the school about, uh, hisbehavior.
Not that it was a negative, butlike hey, let's talk about this

(02:11:49):
, what's going on, you knowwhat's going on.
So him expressing like hey, theteacher was cool, he was
laughing, he knew jokes, he knewthe gritty, he knew this.
So it what I had to hear themview it.
It's like he wasn't doinganything negative, he was being
a kid.
Mm-hmm, he's been a kid.
I am the, I am the uncle and thedad as a view, as Cool, but

(02:12:13):
don't play.
It's like Uncle Juan cool, buthe, he make us all do it, Make
saw clean up.
He makes us all.
If I'm not uncle.
If one getting ass whooping,they are getting ass whooping,
but if one getting the bike,they all don't get a bike.
I'm not uncle.
You know I'm saying I'm notrole model.
I'm not.
I'm not a role model aboutdisclaimer.

(02:12:34):
I am an example.
I am not a role model.
Don't do the shit that I do.
You do shit like me.
Don't be like me.
No, okay, this is thedisclaimer.
But when the school was, likeyou know, gave the just gave the
straight line of when theteacher is up there talking and
you're interrupting yourheckling the teacher.

(02:12:56):
That's their stage.
They allow that and school isthe place where you cannot do
that.
So, hearing that andunderstanding that a
comprehended that I said okay,well, if they're, the school is
giving you a place where youcan't exercise or get, not that
you can't.
They're telling you you cannotExercise your gift here of being
funny and comical and things ofthat nature.
Thank you for setting the base.

(02:13:18):
So, since he can't do it here,I'll give him a place where he
can.
I'll give him a place on theshow.
So I'm okay, man, you so funnynigga.
Uh, write some jokes.
I want five minutes of jokesand you better be funny.
And he, like when he broke downa sense of humor of like I'm
not like knock knock, joke funny, like, not like that.

(02:13:41):
But I'm funny if, like,somebody says something, I can
like say something back, funny,we can go like that.
So I'm gonna go, I got it howyou want to show him and we just
talking.
You, I get to see how funny youcan be with me, man, but the
teacher stage is only in thatclassroom on your own.
This show permission to speakfreely podcast.

(02:14:01):
You were a Y buddy, so you onlyget to earn to do this if you
perform well in school byallowing the teacher to teach.
I'm some kind of fucking parent, bro.
I could have just went upsidehis head, which you got asked
women, you know, father, shit.
It wasn't pertaining to that,but I was just on some I love

(02:14:21):
you type of Right, but Meexpressing to him like amen,
this is games that you need tomake.
You weren't doing anythingwrong by Demonstrating a part of
yourself, but this isn't thetime nor the place.
Latin, like dad and mom, createthe platform for you to be able
to do so, for you and you toearn it.
You do well in school.

(02:14:42):
You make the grade in school.
You get to be able to performand put yourself into this art
world that you want to be in,but it's still games, man.
You got to make it.
So he got it and he understood.
And look to see him more people.
The man is extremely funny, he'sextremely talented, it's
extremely handsome, is extremelysmart, and he just so happened
to be named me, mark, in one Ali.

(02:15:05):
And I tell him that man, justeven like, when I'm, when I'm
teaching him and I'm throwinggame at him, I am.
He's 11 right now, so I'll tellhim when he, when he do shit,
I'll be like, hey, I've been an11 year old boy named Kim Wan
before.
You don't know I'm, since saferight now.

(02:15:26):
You don't know I'm, you don'tknow how great that I am right
now.
But you will what you will, butlet's ease on there.
This is our first time heretogether, man.
I want you to, you know, butbreaking it down to him, black.
I wish I, somebody, had hadthese conversations with me on a
daily basis, like father style,father wise, like that.

(02:15:48):
That mean something.
You know.
I'm having hearing that in thattone, in that voice.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
Him being like amen, don't nobody want no issues with
my dad.
I see my dad handle things.
He stands up for people, hestands up for himself, he, he
does for so much he does and allhe asks is for us to be quiet.
And I can't do this, but it'san understanding of like.
He has to see it, yes, to seeit.

(02:16:19):
So, on that note, man, thatsituation brought us closer
together when in some householdshe wouldn't got a chance this,
you wouldn't be able to hear hisside of the story, no sure you
wouldn't have been ever to him.
To him to say, man, the teacherwas really cool and funny and
made me want to actually learn.
I just got so caught up inbeing fun that, you know, I got

(02:16:40):
an attention behind it.
I became disruptive because youknow he was funny, you know,
but if he wasn't alone, it wasother kids too.
But you, my child, got thereand that's what I say, you and
you not white.

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
It's a level of perception at you gain, like the
thought your, like your journeyis, like it's all, like it's a
level of perception it's beingable to actually like still be
able to see it before see it.
Mm-hmm like my dad always tellme it was like you gonna start
something, but I see thatfantasy all the way through,
like be able to see it, mm-hmm.

(02:17:17):
And like, like, even with thisroad, like you got to understand
, like when you're like, you'reinspired, like like like you're
aspiring, even when you don'tthink that you're aspiring, like
you still have, you still gotto show up.
You got to show your customers.
You got to show for yourworkers.
I'll show for your children,for your family.

(02:17:37):
You have to.
As an entrepreneur, you have toshow up 20, 24 hours a day,
seven days out of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
No off.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
No off, believe it or not, only during them.
Off days is probably when youget, like you know, earned boss
lunch break for like an hour ortwo hours, like maybe you know,
like whenever and if you, butother than that, like you don't
get the pick and choose, likewhen you want to just release
your brain, can't do it youcan't do that now.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
You.
You is do is extremelydifficult to cut off.

Speaker 2 (02:18:12):
Conscious though, and should be so.
Like I like goodness, likepeople like Jay Z, everybody,
like people who had to, likepeople who adjust, like what
they do and just like I believeit up, like With a live and
stuff like that, like you,really like you start to think
about who a boo easy Dfg be allbecause you care about fucking Z
.

(02:18:33):
Yeah, you haven't reached Z justyet, but you care about
actually reaching the end of thefit, the end of your personal
finish.
Like, however you, as you'repaving your way and seeing you
through, all you just know is isI, I just need my fuckers to be
great and be good and just Ineed to know that I did my very
best.
It's time to.
That's your end of the road.

(02:18:54):
But as you're getting to thatend of the road, you're going at
it alone.
You add people to it andbouncing back.
You whoop, whoop.
You're constantly still havingto adjust like it's gonna always
be.

Speaker 1 (02:19:05):
Adjustment is gonna always be a level of having to
critique yourself, man.
It's gonna always be a level ofhaving to Demonstrate what
you're asking, like I need to dothis or do that or show up this
kind of way.
This is kind of how I need youto do it, and when you show it
in your model with it's one ofthem, like you can fall back on

(02:19:28):
it like amen.
I'm giving you the example,mm-hmm, you, you, you, they're
not trying to gain it.
Listen to it, or is?
It's just not that important toyou?
And but anything that isimportant should not be
neglected.
You know, I'm saying it shouldnot be neglected, man.
So you is is a key thing to beable to prioritize your time.

(02:19:52):
Where you put yourself, are youputting your energy, where
you're putting your money?
You know who will?
You with you.
Some people can like.
I say this to my wife to theday we was talking I'm like man,
as much as Expenses that I dohave to pay, that just comes
with the cost of doing businessand be understanding it, I still
don't like bills.
I still don't want bills.
I still don't want.

(02:20:12):
I Still don't want to bedissatisfied with having to pay
for a service that I'm notsatisfied.
You know I'm saying or say,work, pay a person and I'm not
satisfied with their Productionof what they're doing there
purposely, are not giving metheir best and I deserve that.
I'm giving the opportunity andmaking the way and I'm freezing

(02:20:33):
the palm For this person to feellike they're gonna just give me
.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
There is whatever they feel, but you know what the
most like.
It's the right.
It's the right, not toxic, youknow, you know.
The weird thing about business,though, is that you still have
to actually stay prepared toprepare your mind, even even
when you're in the process ofEven even when you're in the
process of actually like makingyour plans.
You have to be in the processof your plans, your plans,

(02:21:00):
fairly at the same time.

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
You have to like I was talking to this one painting
contractor.
He did something.
He was like a.
One thing I just know is that Istayed prepared.
He was like a.
Any one of these screws couldlike say, you know, fuck this
job and you know, forget.
No, like this, integra, I gottabe ready to go in there, my
sprayer, and be ready to goahead and get it done and get
the job done Woo-hoo, and it'slike yes, even like that now but

(02:21:25):
it's like you have to.
It's like.
It's like being like.
It's like trying to be the bestquarterback ever.
But though you Want to throwthat ball, you still got a.
I'm ready, though.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
It's just shit yeah you got a perfect time and
things had aligned up.
Everybody has to be what theyneed to be.
For that to work, you have tobe a motion guy Money bag.

Speaker 2 (02:21:48):
Yo motion guy like the need, like his whole song,
bring friends.
Based on like like a whole 20,like 24, like you have to be on
motion for 24 hours shows.
Figure out how to get moremoney.
Like doing this with people on.
Is that third Advertising?
Like?
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
You're constantly having tofigure out how to actually stay
in motion.

(02:22:08):
While being in motion, mm-hmm,being awake and trying to still
get sleep.
I like and they're still tryingto have an appetite for food,
you know, and then whatever else, like you say it's a rush, it's
like a, it's like a speedingcar.
I Love the hot.

(02:22:30):
Like this is kind of speakfreely for sure, for sure, I
love the highway.
The highway is a perfectexample for like, whether it's
like for a pretty much, I say befor being an entrepreneur, it's
a go for 60.

Speaker 1 (02:22:46):
But you know, you try to go.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Yo, I push it.
Your determination is sayingpush it like, go like that's in
a furious, that shit, but evenstill, even like, even like why
you're driving.
Or it's a regular speed limits,my driving slow, like you still
got to anticipate what othercars gonna do, swirl, you know.
So you have to always be inmotion and get to destination.
But I fight the highways.

(02:23:11):
The perfect way to relax, it'sa way for me to be a be like
okay, I'm driving, I got myblood, I'm just back, I'm just
driving, I'm just think, andit's silent.
I'm just thinking.
Or music might be playing, butfor most part, if I'm if I'm, it
is more if I made his mindsetis silent, but I'm watching the

(02:23:31):
car swerve by, like I'm justthinking, like I'm trying to
piece the pose together any waypossible.
Well, there's two music, myplaylist coming up.
Traffic is just what's the nextstep, what?
But I've been holding like it'slike speed, slow, speed, slow.

(02:23:53):
But you still eventually getthere.
But you're still in motion.
Now you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:04):
We've been going for a little bit people and this is
how we we roll.
Man.
Our conversations are very indepth, man.
We go over and beyond just thethe general information that you
may think that business mentalk about of how we can make
more money to just do things forourselves, when it's really

(02:24:27):
Making more money to better ourteam and get better equipment
and better information andprotection.
So this is be part one of theconversation, from sewer to
entrepreneur, and look forwardFor more content of business and
information of how to level upyourself yourself, improvement

(02:24:49):
your finance, your family, yourbusiness, everything.
You can follow me on Instagramat permission, the number two
underscores speak freely podcast.
That's the.
That's permission, the numbertwo underscore speak freely
podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
Nice and I'm Marcellus with full service
painting.
You can find me on Instagramunder full service painting.
Facebook, same thing, fullservice painting.
Or you can look under Marcellusclay.
But if you're looking for anyin to your painting or anything,
just click on a link and allthat's much of free.
Look forward to me being hereagain.

(02:25:30):
I guess, yes, no, not.
I guess no.
Definitely show.
This is like.

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
This is a vibe right here for sure, man.
So listeners, freedom speakers,thank you guys for tuning in to
us here at permission to speakfreely.

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