Unshakable Faith, Creative Passion, and Thanksgiving Celebrations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like for me she don't show like Friday, she's like
Friday's goofy.
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Friday you got it.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
You got it.
For me, that's a deal breaker.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Friday.
You need Friday.
I got to have my boys watchFriday Right, that's an
important one.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Man, but she'll quote what's Love Got to Do With it?
She'll do Nutty Professor.
She'll do.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I don't want the movie reference line that you
like to use like your favoriteone you like, oh, this the one I
use at least once or twice aweek.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
That's a oh man, what is it better?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
put some water on that damn shit.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Um, I mean honestly, look, I mean it'll probably be
like pops.
I'll be like help me, please,help me, please, help me please.
I'll be saying that I'll behelping me, please help me
please, what about you love?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
it'd probably be better put some water on that
damn shit.
Man, john witherspoon got all,oh matter of fact.
So my boys, man, they and theyfiguring out like how to dress
I'm not even like a fashion guy.
So my baby boy man, he ate, sohe think like putting together
an outfit me.
Okay, I got, I got a blue shirt, so I need blue pants.
No, son.
So what do I say, son, it's notabout matching.

(01:01):
I've been there.
Yeah, you gotta coordinate.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh, yeah, so I hit him with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So look, the other day he said hey, dad, remember
when you told me aboutcoordinating, I'm like yeah.
He's like look, I'm like, oh,you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
You got it, baby, you got it.
You know that's funny, you lookgood, you look gotta coordinate
, coordinate, gotta coordinate.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, give me a movie quote, what's one that just it
just come out.
Yeah, when Vanessa get on mycase about things that I know
that I like, when Vanessa get onmy case about things that I
know I like supposed to do, Iturn into like I know I, I wrote
it.
I'm like come, come on, man,you playing with me, baby, I got
it, I got it.

(01:45):
Boy, you know you can hit itwith your own, you ain't even
need no car, you ain't even needno car.
That's funny, that's an insidejoke.
So a lot of quotes we come upwith.
For sure I call them like I putspells over myself With these
quotes.
You know what I'm saying.
But a quote we came up with Onetime was she didn't even need no
car Came because my truck I hadahead at the time had an 04

(02:09):
Escalade.
I got it from a buy her, payher lot.
It caught on fire like threetimes Three times.
Remember you and Mika came andrescued us.
My nigga looking sad as fuck.
I'm not just sad.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Usually I'm the one that needs to be rescued.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'm calling big bro like hey, man help.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It was my turn, my nigga looking sad as fuck.
I remember it's this one, quotethis one thing like what would
my baby do If she's dropping meoff to go somewhere?
We're running late, like offthe Temptations movie.
When she's like, come on, getus to the station, Come on, get
us to the station, That'd behitting us cracking up.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Hey man, I watched that Temptation movie the other
day.
Just you know, it was Crystalcalled me when I was watching it
and she's like what you doing.
I'm like watching theTemptations man.
Damon Ruffin was pissed offwhen they let that nigga go.
He was mad as fuck.
You ungrateful sons of bitches,steps of.

(03:09):
If you can't do me like thisman he was going oh, that's okay
, y'all ain't nothing without me, man, nothing with your fake
ass, steps, man, and I'm justsitting there like yeah, he was
he, bro?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
you was fucking up, though you were fucking up, but
listen man low-key david ruffinis low-key, one of the greatest
male vocalists of all time I.
For sure, vocally, I stand onthat.
Not vocally, I stand.
Have you listened?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
to.
I Wish it Would Rain like that.
I wish it would rain, but theway he go up and down For sure.
It's like oh, man, you can onlydo that on Coke Yo.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
You can only do that on Coke.
Rest in peace, david.
Rest in peace, rest in.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So it's not talent, it's coke that makes him do it.
It's not talent, it's both.
I think coke make him be ableto keep doing shit for sure man,
they gotta work 16 hour days onthe road real talk, gotta keep
doing.
I wish it would rain.
That's the shit.
I ain't did no coke so I couldhit that line.
I hope you never hit that hitthat line.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, please talk to us.
Talk to us, we good, talk to us.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But dog man.
So I I do use Movie referencesA lot To like keep grounded With
With the kids and I know thatthey use Like memes and stuff
now.
But we, as I tell KJ, like bro,we invented cool, we, the first
real Children of the internet.

(04:28):
I'm like bro, we, we, we, we,we.
You ain't wrote code forMySpace, that's right.
Ooh, come on now.
We knew how to get theSpongeBob with the chains and
the grill and all that.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
All of that man.
You had to get the playlist forMySpace.
Remember the playlist?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, for sure that's nostalgia.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Come on, bro, you ain't live long enough.
You go to my page.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I want this song to play.
I had Run this Town Jay-Z andthat song don't feel old, but we
talking 2008, 2009,.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
The Blueprint 3.
It's crazy, yeah, like it don'tfeel that long ago, but like
when people like hold up, yeah,I was in high school when this
happened.
What's going on?
Yeah, I had.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Run this Town, jay Z, rihanna, kanye West on my
MySpace page that song Don'tFeel that Old, but yeah, I had
that on my MySpace page.
When you go to my page, thatsong start playing.
Right.
I got the.
I was the Cyphers Lay Low, thatwas my name.
I was rapping and shit on mything.
You remember that?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
You remember?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I came to your show, bro.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I'm a fan.
He was in there he was in there.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm a fan.
I'm a fan.
Yeah, man, we definitely had towrite code.
I had to figure out, hey man,how you get that on your
background.
Wow yeah, he said no, you gotto underscore.
Underscore greater than ain'tno top three man people used to
be mad when you was in the top.
I was going through something Icalled you and asked my sister
was on the internet.

(05:46):
So you going to knock me down.
So I'm top eight.
Now for real.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Look, and then you had the flip phone, so she was
mad Like man you got to hear me.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, you had the flip joint, the flip phone.
It's all about you with theflip phone Shout out to T-Mobile
Razor T-Mobile.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Shout out to.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Alltel, y'all remember Alltel, alltel.
That was my first phone at theAlltel joint.
Yeah, at the Alltel that iscrazy man my first phone was the
Sprint Nextel it came out withthe military joints.
The church yeah, I had those man, the little military joints.
It was the flip too.
It was the flip.
Okay, I couldn't afford the$100 plan at this time I don't

(06:25):
think it was out but I had, likeyou could chirp all day for
like a dollar and you'd just bechirping all day and you can get
caught up, oh for sure you withsomebody.
Hey, what's up boy when you at?
Oh shit, come on.
T quit playing.
What's up, Grandma?
I'm grandma, baby.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Grandma chirping you.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Your grandma got a chirp Chirping you from the
house phone.
No, she chirping me from herlife alert.
Help me.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
She crazy.
Hey then.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
She crazy man that's hilarious hey well, listen,
let's get into it, man.
Permission to speak freely.
Once again, thank y'all forlistening One more time and
let's do what Chairman said.
Man, let's start with a prayer.
Let's start with a prayer.
If y'all don't mind, can I open?
Rodney, you closed, for sure,for sure, absolutely, absolutely
, absolutely.
Man Lay low the most.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, Take us away.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Let them use you, let's take it home.
Lord Jesus, thank you forbringing us here one more time
to celebrate life once again, tocelebrate each other as black
men Once again.
Lord, thank you for ourlisteners, Thank you for the
talents and the gifts thatyou've given us.
Thank you for everything.
God, we know what you provideand we know we wouldn't be here

(07:36):
without you having this platformand having opportunities to
share our thoughts weekly, theway we do, as therapeutic as it
is.
We give you all the credit, allthe glory, all the thanks and
all the praise In Jesus' nameamen.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Amen Permission to speak.
Permission to speak.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Let's go.
So let's get it popping.
Freedom Speakers.
It's not often.
It's not often that we have aguest in the building, but we do
today, we do today, we do, wedo today.
Today with us we have, uh, arepresentative from the god man

(08:14):
podcast.
Without further ado, we gotrodney d adamson, the second,
with us today.
Y'all give him a hand, hey manappreciate, appreciate, thank
you.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Thank you so much for having me, man.
No, for sure, for sure.
Thanks for coming, hey, no?
Problem like I said, I lovewhat y'all do.
I love what y'all, representingthe message you're trying to do
for for men to speak freely.
So that's dope, that's amazing.
I'm glad to be part of y'allpodcast I appreciate that, man.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'm gonna work on my intro intro game.
The next time you come I'mgonna have to have it, it's
going to be polished.
You ain't take it back earlier.
No, we did great, man, so tellus about yourself, man.
What brings you?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
here.
Man, wow, that's a lot.
Well, right now I'm definitelyin a production right now.
For those who don't know, myname is Ronnie D Adams II, born
and raised in Cleveland, ohio.
Born and raised for all my life,pretty much um oldest of six,
raised up by a mother and fatherum just a man with a passion

(09:13):
for storytelling.
Um, solid like anybody whoknows me.
I'm like how we talked before.
I'm a big movie guy.
Like I grew up watching eddiemurphy, um Robin Williams, mr
Doubtfire, like pretty much likecomedy, pretty much because
like TV was my my babysitter.
Like I was I was I was that kidwhere, like, if you just put

(09:35):
him in front of a TV, he's okay,he's dope.
Like I remember at the age oftwo, my auntie's still telling
the story till this day, like Icould, literally this was back.
I'm telling all my age rightnow, back with VHS tapes.
Oh man, I could put a tape inat the age of two.
I could put a tape in, play it.
If it ends, I would rewind itUntil it stopped, I'll play it
back again.
Oh yeah, you knew what you weredoing.

(09:56):
I knew what I was doing so forme like storytelling and
filmmaking and acting.
That was really ingrained intome.
So ever since the young age ofthat, I knew I was gifted to act
, to storytell, to film, make,um.
But then over time God did whathe does no, going through
trials and errors and mishaps,heartbreaks, and good times and
bad times, I found the lane hewants me to go in when it comes

(10:17):
to filmmaking.
And you know that's where I'mat right now doing my journey of
filmmaking and acting andministry as well.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
All right, for sure, for sure.
What catapulted you into thatfield?
Like, what was that first thingor that first moment that said
you know what?
This is what I want to do.
I want to go into acting.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean honestly, it's the fact that I don't like
doing a nine to five for sure.
Like, of course you know, as anentrepreneur in heart, you know
I'm rebellious.
Like I don't like being toldwhat to do, I hate clocking in,
I hate being on someone else'stime, I'm like I don't find
fulfillment in this.
But then I also knew what I wasgood at.

(10:56):
Um, I knew I was good at itwhen I was I was doing film
class in at tri and then we hadto write like a five-page,
ten-page story.
If you were shooting a film,what would be the first ten
pages of this?
Then I just had this idea of itwas like a dad not being happy
with his life.

(11:17):
So he has a dead-end job, he'snot happy with it, he gets
belittled, he goes home, he'snot happy with his wife or kids.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I was about to say wife tripping, he's like he's
phased.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now, you good no and that's really how it is is he
gets phased out.
So his wife be complaining athim.
He's on his phone scrollingthrough like instagram.
He's hearting a woman who hefinds interested in.
And so once my teacher readthat he was like, like writing
this is really good.
Like you wrote this.
I say like, yeah, this is areal story.
And for me, not having no, um,that was my first writing class

(11:52):
ever, like I never writtenanything before that time.
So that's when I knew I had aniche to do something.
And then, moving forward, I hadI want to do um like sketches
on YouTube, like back when it'spopular.
So, um, I did a series calledelena rodney tv where, um, you
can find out on youtube, it'selena and rodney tv where I've
written, directed um, editedsketches, uh, for me and a

(12:14):
co-worker um co-worker, um,elena bradley.
But we did like sketches.
We got like 10, 11 sketches onthere and me editing um, this is
like really like telling, likethe underdog of, like not having
nothing but this word, like inthe bible it says like faith of
a mustard seed, whereas, likeanybody who who knows me, I
don't have a car, I don't drive,but I knew I had this passion

(12:36):
within me so I used to go to tryto see, to edit the videos that
me and her did, like it openedup, like at the libraries, like
at nine o'clock in the morning,I would go there, edit.
Do I gotta do get on the bus togo back to the east side?
Because this is back when Iwent to the tricee that was on
the east campus.
So I used to go all the wayback there.

(12:57):
That was like an hour, that waslike an hour bus drive.
I'm working at a dietary homeat this time and we I clocked at
four, I still edit go all theway back to do that.
But I knew I had a passion forit.
That's commitment.
It's commitment.
It shows like when, like I said, how the Bible says, your gift
will make, make room for you, Iknew I had the gift to act.
That's what I want to do, iswhat I'm good at.
Like you know, we got to put onplays like kindergarten,

(13:21):
preschool, for sure I rememberwe did the three little bears.
We did three little bears so ofcourse you know they made me
like the little bears.
So every time somethinghappened where like hey,
someone's been eating in my bed,someone's been sleeping in my
bed, someone's been eating outmy porridge, I remember I would
say the very last line of whatdid happen and then I would
improv like a cry.
I'm like like, ate my porridge.
It was all all gone when andthey was like this guy is

(13:46):
something, and I just knewthat's what I wanted to to do,
because I got these stories,characters in my head even, like
how you say, when we do the,the tales of like stories like
from movies, that's naturally inme, like it's.
So that's how I knew that'swhat I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
The show hey, you are a very interesting man.
Yeah, that's the heart of acreative.
It seems like you mentioned.
You, uh, are god-fearing man aswell, and quoting the bible
just in your commentconversation, bro, just shows
that you.
You crack that book open, man,and god is navigating you in
different places.

(14:21):
Man, I can uh.
Ladies and gentlemen, if youhave never seen rodney, he has
an aura around him.
You can see glow.
You know, I'm saying he looklike 80s eddie murphy.
Glow, like that nigga though,like he, that guy, man, the
honorable the honorable man Ithink that's a dope story, man.
So, um, are you working on anyprojects and anything now at

(14:43):
this time?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
for sure, for sure.
Um, the one I'm definitely inright now.
Definitely, I'm in a play.
It's called people, alwaystalking about church folks.
Um honestly hands down all myyears of acting, being plays and
films productions.
This is the most passionateproject I'm talking, I'm being a
part of um not only like it's afaith base, but it's.
It talks about real stuff sofor sure, I'm working on that

(15:05):
right now.
No, the play is December 21st,so y'all can copy our tickets.
You can DM me.
You can follow me atitsalwaysrodney R-D-N-Y at the
end, or you can follow thewebsite on the social media.
On Instagram, it's churchfolksunderscore play.
You can Instagram me for thatas well, but that's where I'm

(15:28):
doing right now, but also for myown projects.
I got a few more projects I'mworking on right now.
Um, I'm trying to be like tylerperry and I'm want to do more
ownership.
For sure, you know, like say no, like I'm creating these
stories.
I might as well make the profitoff of it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
So you know, this is true, you know like.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think that's where a lot of people mess up at they
have the creative part but theydon't have the business part.
That's where most people end upgetting in these bad situations
.
As actors, musicians orwhatever.
You're in a mess of contracts,become a starving artist.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
You become a starving artist.
You stay a starving artist Forsure man.
This is true, it's's like youwere starving Before you got
there.
That's why you Took on theprobably the worst deal.
You didn't know, because itsounds good, yeah.
And then, like you said, onceyou understand the business,
you're like hey, it was gettingme.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
For sure it was getting me man.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
And I promote ownership man, so I like to
unpack Just for a second thename of that play man.
That's a very creative name ofthe play.
Can you tell the people againwhat's the name of?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
the play.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
For sure it's um people always talking about
church folks, um always, alwaystalk to you, tell them what they
be saying about us.
For sure you know what I'm gladyou were saying about us
honestly I mean honestly the.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
The one where I can say is like hypocrites, that's
like if, like, once you go, goto the, I said like how I told
you before behind the scenes, Igot both of you two, like two
tickets for the play.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Thank you, man no problem.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Thank you, like, the main word is hypocrites.
If I could put it into words,it's just like it's just a story
about revealing that let's justhindsight all of us are church
folks.
No, whether you're a bishop,you're a deacon, you're a son,
you're a missionary, you're asteward, you're a crackhead,
you're a drug dealer, you're alawyer, and these are all real
characters in the play that I'mmentioning.

(17:12):
Okay, like, a lot of things getuncovered up, but people think
church folks are only justpeople in the church.
No, just because you know we doclaim the name of jesus and
they put it on the front street,it doesn't mean the other
person is not a church folk aswell.
You know, like it definitelyappears a lot of layers.
Like I said, in this storythere's, um, there's truth that

(17:34):
gets unlayered.
Um, I said there's, you know,there's violence, there's guns,
there's drugs involved, there'sum, lies, deceit, cheating,
abuse.
That's happening in the storyand like, like I said, this is
the most impactful story I'vebeen a part of, just because
it's.
I'm all about truth instorytelling.
So for me, I choose a projectbased off of.
Am I going to be proud that I'min this project?

(17:55):
Like, is this something that Ican say, hey, I was a part of it
.
No, not just to be a part of.
So, um, no, the director is LedaEva Sims.
Um, I've been working with herfor like years.
Like my very first time everdoing a play was with her, um,
in 2019, where, um, she did aplay called um, like the

(18:19):
prophecy revealed, like, justlike stories about Jesus coming
into um, into the world, to diefor our sins, things of that
nature.
So, basically, like christmasplays.
This is the first time she'sdone a play that was um, her own
narrative.
Okay, so in my life, she toldme about this play.
Like two years ago.
She said, rodney, I wrote thisplay.

(18:39):
It's called church folks.
So she changed the title sincethen, but it was called church
folks.
Now I don't know how people aregoing to feel about this, but
this is something I feel likeGod is leading me towards.
Do I'm like?
Hey, I'm on your side.
So, whatever you say, I'm withit Because, like, it's something
that needs to be heard, likeyou know, not only just for the
people who's in the church, butfor people who's outside of the
church, because I can Like those.

(19:08):
Kirk Franklin said one time wegot too many people who are
trying to be doctors but they'rereally the patient.
Hey, that's a really dope quote.
You got many people who wastrying to heal people.
You got many people who'strying to say you shouldn't do
this, you shouldn't do that.
Or hey, your shirt, your skirtis too high, hey, you need to be
wearing a suit and a tie, andblah, blah, blah.
But we're to say you'resupposed to be doing that,
that's not your job.
That's why many people in thechurch they don't want to come
because they getting ridiculed.

(19:29):
They're getting like chastised.
They're saying what you'redoing is wrong.
You know, the bible says likeno, don't judge or you'll be
judged.
You're judging people based offof where you come in.
That's why I love my pastor.
Shout out to Pastor K ReidRoger K Reid, roger K Reid, he
doesn't care if you smite weedwhen you come in.
He doesn't care if you.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm going to this church.
I'm going to this church.
You're good church.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Shout out to your pastor one more time.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
What's his name?
What's the pastor's?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
name Pastor Roger K Reid at Lee Memorial AME Church.
Shout out to you hey man, Iused you said Reed Reed, so so
that's actually which Reed is.
So it's actually his nephew.
Now.
Okay, yeah, so yeah, but trustme, he can preach Like Wesley I.
He still comes in every now andthen Like that's his uncle.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I'ma test his faith.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'ma come in said he don't care.
He's really a person who's like.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Come as you are, come as you are, he don't care.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Like he don't care Cause he knows God will work on
you.
That's not what a man or womanis supposed to do In the church.
Now, I'm big on exposure, likewhat you mean, like I cannot
know nothing, but if I'm aroundpeople who's doing something
different, I'm going to take oncertain habits that you're doing
.
So, it's like, over time, wespend more time with people who

(20:50):
are doing God's work the rightway.
I'm saying specifically theright way.
God's going to lead you to dowhat you're supposed to do.
So don't get chastised bySomeone in the church who's like
, oh, you should be doing thisor you should be doing that.
This play is going to unveileverything that people who's
been hurt by the church andpeople who's in the church doing
it.
They're going to get conviction.

(21:11):
You know that conviction isthat you feel like, oh wow, I do
that Hold up what's going on hetalking to me, he talking to
what the play's about.
I'm excited, hey.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm excited too, man.
I want to go see what thistalking about.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Can I bring?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
popcorn and stuff.
Will there be refreshmentsthere?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I'll ask the director about that.
I'll do it but, like for mycharacter, let me talk about my
character.
So I play Ray Cox, so I playthe son in the show.
So Ray is definitely like anytype of 19 to 20 year old
hard-headed um wanting to, youknow, have a different life.

(21:50):
I want to say, like you know,like the story is about, like me
and my mom were getting out ofan abusive relationship she was
in.
So we end up going to new yorkwith um, an old love interest of
hers.
So ray gets um exposed, exposedto the New York life, wants to
see what's going on.
This and the third, and heactually was thinking about
joining a gang.
So you know, you're talkingabout this guy who, from a

(22:12):
Christian background and he's,you know, he's losing faith in
God because he feel like, youknow, god doesn't love me
because I was in, make my ownmoves, make my own plays,
because this seems moreattractive to me.
So, like I said, so mycharacter is pretty much about
that.
I think about, like you know,you know, like you have, like a
mother or grandmother, like youknow they know, their grandson

(22:33):
or child not doing right but godstill covering him while he's
out there in the streets, themprayers reach far.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Man god, still answering my grandmama's prayers
, I'm telling you, man, prayersdon't expire.
So, like I said, I'm, I'm thatguy, I'm the, I'm the son in
that, so hey and it sounds justlike your character has already
some development into him andyou being identifying with, like
what, being an artist, right,for sure that you get to take on

(22:58):
this script and embody whatthis person is and you have to
grasp a part of yourself to evenconnect with what this
character is, because artemulates life, for sure.
So being able to really graspand take that character on and
make people believe like hereally mad, and take them out of
that experience that they'rewatching entertainment, yeah,

(23:21):
and they really get absorbedlike I'm a big movie person but
I gotta man, my ADHD made me seeplots and shit I was like oh
man, this is bullshit.
I don't watch this.
I don't watch this.
But when something issuspenseful and it keeps you on
the edge of your seat and it isa dose into reality that you can
find a piece of yourself Forsure.
Even if they're like hey, thelove man, you texting somebody

(23:45):
you shouldn't even be texting.
I'd have been that guy.
I love your character, man.
I'm very excited to go to theshow, man, and thank you again
for coming on the show,permission to Speak Freely,
podcast and giving myself andLaylo man two tickets.
Man, are they front row?
They can be.
Yeah, man, we tickets.
Man, are they front?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
row.
They can be.
Yeah, man, we in the building.
Look, I'll say this the Lordblessing you.
Man, you can bless us.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And look.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I'll say this Just come early, because them parking
spots are going to be filled up.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, but like I said.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Just say you're with Rodney.
Hopefully I popcorn or y'allgot wine in the church for
chameleon knowledge you get tolose my ones in it.
That ain't wine.
No more man, that's juicy juiceright there for real, for real,
no man.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So, as far as your acting, though, like what?
What do you pull from, ifanything at all?
What do you pull from, say,when you putting yourself into
these characters?
Like, do you have to find whenyou're choosing a character?
You know what this is the rolefor me.
Is this something you need tosay?
Hey, you know what.
There's something, someexperience I went through in my
life that I can pull from to dothe best job I can for this

(24:55):
character, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah for sure.
The first thing about me islike this is like where my this
is, like where my this is gonnasound crazy.
But this is where, like, wheremy ignorance comes into play is
like I'm always ready to go fora role like how we talked, how
we talked about before.
Like you know, we use that asan escaping work.
I love acting.
I don't care if I gotta play acrackhead, butt naked on the

(25:19):
corner.
I wanna play that role cause Ijust love the role so much.
But I know you can't, wow, youcan't say yes to everything so I
do have to.
I do have to pray to god and say, hey, is this what you want me
to do?
And if he does say, say yes.
So when it comes to the role,it just I think about what's the
purpose of the story, because Isay I'm, I'm just a piece in
the chess move, but what's thewhole story?

(25:40):
To make someone have thatrevelation or that um reminder,
there's something I connect towith this story.
So I look at what's the wholestory and how can I bring it to
life.
So, with like, simply with thecharacter ray, like I mentioned
before, like you have a lot ofkids out here who, um, who have
dreams and aspirations, butsomeone told them they can't do
it and that's something thatwhat happens with ray like his,

(26:03):
his um stepfather tells him likehe has dreams of being being a
lawyer.
But it's not even a stepfather,it's his mom's boyfriend.
He says, like, you can't dothat, you can't do that, no, god
, god doesn't love you.
And he ends up.
And he ends up believing thatand he says, okay, I might as
well let me hit these streetsand like, but that festers into
him, though.
So for me there's a lot of kidsand parents who mean the

(26:24):
audience, who say, hey, myparents is in the drug life like
, for example.
Like my um, my director in theplay.
She has a son who's part ofthat that life.
Like, like, because he'ssupposed to be in the play, but
then something happened.
He's, he's really he's in there,he's in there, like I remember
he was speaking one time andlike because the role that he
was playing, it was like it wasa game person, and so my other

(26:46):
like work person.
I was working with my otheractor.
He was like I can tell he dothis for real.
He said I've been around people, I'm not in it, but he for real
though yeah, for real.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So when I'm looking for a character, I'm just making
sure number one like how's it?
Also like is it gonna challengeme?
Cause you know, as you know, weall seen actors who played the
same role all the time and it'slike, okay, cool, I don't wanna
typecast type yeah the Rock,what do they call it?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
yeah, the Rock, what do they call it?
They call it something when youget pigeonholed into a
character, oh, a typecast.
Yeah, a type, yeah, a typecatthat about when he first got in.
Yeah, you want to keep playingthe same.
Yeah, rosie perez was talkingabout that.
I watched the interview withher.
She was talking about thatespecially for me.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Like I said, coming from from the comedy background,
I said I love comedy, like Ican make something funny
instantly.
Look like that.
But I just like now I'm divingmore into drama to see if, um,
if can I, can I do it okay andlike in what I've been seeing so
far, with the results.
I said I did a short film umcalled three, three percent.
That's my first time writingsomething that was drama based

(27:48):
and it got good reviews.
It was good and so okay, I knowI'm gifted now because I'm not
just comfortable in this onelane yeah so I think about is it
challenging me?
what's the story of it?
And also just um, also, I knowit's going to teach me something
, because you know, for me,acting is therapy.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Because you know you get to mesomething.
Cause you know, for me, actingis therapy yeah, yeah, for sure.
Cause you know you get to tapinto emotions that you know,
like we can speak freely, menare not allowed to express that

(28:11):
emotions, or at least culturesays that.
We were just talking about that.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So no culture says that.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Hey, hey, a man can't cry to toughen up shit though.
Take, take, take it to the chin.
Me acting, in me acting getsthat revolution of me able to
express, able to cry, able to dowhatever I want to do and, um,
it's dope.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, man, I I heard uh terrence howard shout out to
terrence howard, clevelandnative.
What's up, man, he has?
He has said that there's noconsequence in acting.
You can, you can play out what,what you want to do.
If you want to be a murderer ina film, you can be a murderer
and there's no consequence foryour action.
This is how people can getstuck in roles.

(28:51):
You know what I mean.
Like, hey, this person, justTupac, got stuck as Bishop, as
they say.
You know what I'm saying, Likehey, you can get stuck in these
characters.
Or Jamie Foxx, mentioning whenhe played in the soloist.
He had to kind of it wasanother movie, but don't quote
me 100, but he had to kind ofalienate himself kind of regroup

(29:11):
, reconnect, soloist it was thesoloist.
Yeah, that's that, that's real,that's every real yeah so, as a,
as a person, I used to have alot of art.
Uh, I'm a creative by nature,you are for sure, um, and I
wanted to do acting as well, andI identify with your character
if somebody, just you knowthey're speaking their negative

(29:33):
views upon you, knocking thelight out of you, trying trying
to, but sometimes it works,sometimes it doesn't, but
sometimes you do getdisconnected, like you know.
So, just seeing in the depth ofyour character and how you
choose your character, I'mexcited as a person who loves
art, who loves theater, wholoves, like the raw I used to go

(29:53):
to rainey's institute on 55thand uh, but it was a corner at
our street.
Shout out to rainey's.
Shout out to the caramu housecaramu.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, yeah, I volunteer there.
I volunteered there now um,well, kind of I've been kind of
acting more, but in thebeginning of wearing so to go
like this, like more, like how Isay the elena writing tv thing,
like me, it's like I wanted toact.
But how do I start?
What do I do?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
yeah, when I wanted to interject, um, shout out to
the playhouse square.
Shout out to playhouse square.
I had got, uh, an audition forthe Little Shopper Whore for
Tree no 2.
Come on now.
We had to go to school andeither audition for the play and
get an A or just show up as anusher yeah, like as an usher,

(30:37):
and you would have got just likea B.
Shout out to Miss Gibson fromEast High School class of 2006,
where I graduated.
Come on now.
I was supposed to be five, but Iliked school so much I went
back Ain't nothing wrong withthat.
I went back.
I like school so much, but thatwas the grade and I remember
her having us read the bookFences.
Oh man, she's like you sound andyou built like the dad and all

(31:00):
that.
But I'm like, hey, man, I readreal good in my head.
I don't read real good out loud16, 17, you know yourself.
I know myself.
Like, let me read this bymyself for a day or two.
I'll come back here.
I don't even need the book, I'mgoing off script any passion,
because I like you because, butI, I, I vibe with the character,

(31:20):
the character development.
I love to see how, um, itprogresses, the story progressed
and it isn't this person juststuck here, but they're getting
to see the character hit withreality, day-to-day things that
people really identify with man.
So it brings me to this.
I have a question.
Yeah, this play is faith-based.

(31:41):
Right is Do you feel the worldhas lost a level of faith?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Take your time.
I think people have faith, butnot faith in Jesus Like majority
.
No, we all have faith insomething, but it's like what is
the source of your faith?
Like one of my favoritepreachers.
He said, for example the chairsare where we were sitting in.
Do we ever stop to think, if Isit in this chair, will it break
if I sit to sit in?
No, I have faith to believethis chair is going to be.

(32:12):
It's going to make sure I'mgood.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, but not testing out the chair to me.
Let me I'm like, hold up.
I ain't never sat in this chairbefore.
Let me make sure what's goingon hold up.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Hold this feel like a screw loose, hold up what's
going on.
But then it's like you gottarealize, like you know, we can't
let our.
We gotta remember who we putour faith in and like who's
sovereign, who was nice and whogives us grace and mercy every
day, even though we don'tdeserve it, um, which is I'm not
bashing anybody who doesn'tlike it's.
It's easy to forget because wegot stress in this world, we got

(32:44):
bills, we got relationships, wegot cars, we got kids, like all
that, just in our mental, likethat's.
That's enough for me to, likeyou, sit at the end of my bed in
the morning like I got anotherday.
Um, but we do got to rememberthat you know, like we do have a
savior who died on the crossfor our sins, even though we

(33:04):
don't, even though we may notacknowledge him.
I think that that's the bestthing where it's like you know,
jesus died for us, just for achance of us to get to know him.
So do you say?
I'm gonna take these lashings,even though you may not accept
me.
Yeah, I'm still gonna do it.
That's the most gangster thingI ever like heard, like once I
got the revelation like hold up.
So even for people who may notwant to, may not want to follow

(33:26):
you, you're still gonna do itfor them, though, like that's
dope, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's amazing I'll tell you right now I ain't gonna
do it.
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I'm like what you know, I feel like I get whipped,
slashed on, spit on and stabbed.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Nails through my hands.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Look, I don't like Getting a dang paper cut, let
alone getting nails Through myhands.
For them.
I don't even like you.
They don't even like me Forthem.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
For them, keep in mind For them that you know Are
going to screw up For sure.
First they love you, then theyhate you.
First they love you, then theyhate you.
Yeah, then they love you again.
Ain't that crazy?
But that's just that's.
That's the, that's the up anddown.
That if you can look at thatand just say a vague way yeah,
you know vague we're like hey,that's just the up and down of

(34:10):
life, that's the up and down ofrelationships with people.
Definitely, they is all goodtill it ain't good.
You know, and as a person who Iknow, I I'll be lying if I say
I steer, I steered away fromfaith ever, ever, ever.
God has always covered me.
God has always favored me.
God is, is god his son?

(34:30):
And then it's me, it's god.
So I'm right over here, likeright over here, but I'm up
there, I'm anointed, bro, I'man'm anointed and it's fearful.
When you are anointed and whenyou believe man, you become a
vessel through who you are.
As long as you stay origin intowho you are, okay For sure as a
person who is put into a box oflike, you won't grow up.

(34:53):
I'm like my guy.
He just ain't got no age.
Well, he died at 33, but heforever right.
My guy who he only worked for 7days, who built all her lists.
So you know, he taking a break.
I can take a break, my guy tooka break, right.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
He rested on the 7th day he rested so it means, if he
rests.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I know I can rest if the man who invented it all take
a break.
I deserve a break.
I can go to sleep.
Yeah, I can go to sleep, butit's one of them, man, like I'm
a comedian person For sure.
I believe that Jesus wentthrough life carefree, happy.
He kicked it with the hoes andthe thugs.

(35:32):
He kicked it with people whoneeded saving.
For sure More than people whoalready knew him Exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
You.
He kicked the people who neededsaving, for sure More than
people who already knew himExactly.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
You feel me so that's why, as a person who You're for
the lost sheep of Israel.
For sure, exactly For sure sofor those who are saved or for
those who do believe, where wejust hey, we could just be
messengers Passing along themessage ourself Just like hey,
man, god do love, you dude, goddo this and when you moving
through them, actions.
But when you moving, god willset things up or put people in
your place, exactly.

(35:59):
So I'm going to tell you astory man, go ahead, where I got
to have a personal relationshipwith God and I call God by many
names, man, I call God by manynames Jesus, jehovah, buddha,
allah, whatever.
So when I say prayers, I'd belike whatever God at work today,
whatever God at work today,okay, whatever God, get this
message.
What time is it?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
730.
Yeah, but I'll be like bruh,I'll be like dear God whatever
one of y'all at work today Iknow it's third shift- nothing
changes shifts.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I know what bruh is when you dive into it.
I believe in Jesus, I believein that, but when you dive into
it, it is, it is multiple gods,and who's to say that somebody
isn't correct?
So this is why I look at itlike, hey, these are just
different styles to get us allto the same place.
Just like martial artists, youtrying to kick ass, right?
So it don't matter what styleyou use, you want to win.

(36:45):
So if I want to get to heavenand I'm using this style, yeah,
this is okay, this is what Ibelieve in.
It's been working you're justsaying jesus, weekend work yeah,
so it's like prayed to God,somebody got the message and
shit came through.
You know what I'm saying, but Ilook at it like that because my
knees have bent for many God,but I do call on Jesus as the
root of like amen.
That's where I come from.

(37:06):
That's where the Baptist,that's where I'm singing in the
little church in the basementEating donuts and cookies.
Come on, big ass baptized tubPeople washing up in there.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
They're like no, they getting baptized, that church
punch.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Man that syrup.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Look, I was talking to someone the other day.
I was like that church punch.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
We was like, oh my God that church punch, I swear
man, I remember going into andI'm going to say this I remember
going into the church pews, Imean going to the church doors,
and we would open the doors andit would just be, you would get
punched with cologne perfume, alittle dash of weed, A little

(37:47):
bit of weed.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
In fact, let Lo say a little bit, A little bit of
weed.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hey, gotta have some gangsters in the church, hey man
gangsters believe like a mother.
For sure.
So that's why I want to see theplay Like hey man, everybody
got a connection to God, eventhough you might try to mute him
, turn him down.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
You ain't cut him off .
You can't cut him off.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So you know, get me preaching here today bro, you
ready to talk the?
Highest.
Come on now.
The highest, but no, so Iremember that that's a nostalgic
moment to me.
Going into the church, you openthem doors, you see them pews
and you just smell red diamond,no, white diamond, white diamond
perfume.
I think it was Red Door, eliasClaiborne or Elizabeth Taylor

(38:33):
perfume.
Yeah, man you smelling Jakarand Lagerfield Cologne.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You take me back right now.
Taylor Perfume yeah, man yousmelling.
Jakar and Lagerfield Cologne.
You take me back right now,Issey Miyake.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
They say a little bit of weed.
That's when they brought theKush to Cleveland.
Musicians yeah, yeah, man, butI remember that, so church
always take me back there.
You hear the band setting up.
They tone in.
You hear the little drums, Pop,pop.
Everybody said hey, how youdoing School over Grandma.
I mean my grandma giving us aSorry God.
My grandma used to give usmoney to put in the collection

(39:02):
plate.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh yeah, I didn't put it in.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Hey, what a man Rob got.
I know I did.
I know I did.
I wanted to flavor hot Cheetos.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
It was too many corner stores by the church.
Like we're going to run overand get some peanut M&M's, get
some.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Starbursts After this we on.
Yeah, man.
So at this point in time in mylife, man, I was very low.
I was very low For sure.
I'm living in my car and I wassleeping in my car behind Lowe's
Home Improvement out inWilloughby Was that Willoughby
Wycliffe, off of like VineStreet?
I think it was over there?
Yeah, or I would sleep behindum in the 24-hour walmart.

(39:39):
That was like right across thebridge and it was just a place
in my life, man.
I'm reading the bible in my car.
I'm praying to god so hard,squeezing my eyes so tight.
I think the harder you squeezeyour eyes, the harder you think
you're praying just god hear meturn the speakers up.
But at that time, and I'm I'mreading the Bible and I'm like
man, I'm praying for God to liketake me from this place that

(40:02):
I'm in I'm like I'm waiting, I'mwaiting for my, I close my eyes
and I wake up and I'm where I'msupposed to be and I'm like
that's, I'm waiting for God tosave me.
But it's like I'm waiting forGod to save me and I said it
again slowly, like I am waitingfor God to save me.

(40:25):
I'm just waiting.
I'm a lethal motherfucker, butjust a.
I'm waiting and nothing hashappened.
A moment of reflection tomyself of I'm waiting for this
person or this being to dosomething for me and it's like,

(40:47):
nah, you want me to move theworld for you.
Right, get to moving in theworld.
So, as I start moving in theworld, I wasn't just moving in
the world, I wasn't just cryingin the back seat of my car.
Just, god, help me please.
God, I pray so hard, yeah, butno, I started to find a
confidence that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
So that's right.
Faith without work is dead.
I was thinking the same.
I was thinking the same.
That's why you want to answermy messages.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
You know I'm saying I wasn't working, so it was just
like you know, voicemail once Isee him in traffic.
I know he working, yeah, but asI got to move in the world, god
don't move me.
Pick me up on my shoulders andmove me in the world.
God moves the world for me likethis, as I get to move and
navigate.
He just navigates things around.

(41:33):
For sure.
I can't.
I'm gonna keep you away fromthese people, even though you
want to connect with them it'snot good for you it's gonna it's
gonna, it's gonna bring youdown they're
not meant to go where you aretrying to go, because if they
was, you would see them in theintersection.
Y'all will be applying at thesame place.
You're doing the same thing.
You can't enable that.

(41:54):
It this.
So just just learning that andseeing that and and taking
myself from that place like Igotta put my own work in.
I can't wait for god or man togive me anything.
I already remember I'm alreadynot worthy, right?
Yeah, so if I gotta put thework in to just even show like
hey, I'm dedicated to you, god,that I believe in you, yeah, I

(42:14):
gotta get the fucking movingyeah, I gotta get the move, and
my God cuss okay, my God havebeen in all things right, so
listen.
But I'll even say this like youknow, I met like God doesn't
necessarily work, cause like hey, god, this is what I want you
to do.
It's the other way around whereGod goes.
Hey, no, this is what I wantyou to do.

(42:35):
God speaks to us, not the otherway around, and God has a way
of honestly making you a littleuncomfortable, to get you to
move in the way that he wantsyou to move.
If you feel like the world isagainst you, you feel like
you're not getting the thingsyou feel like you deserve,
perhaps you ain't moving in theway God wants you to move.
Sure, give him a try.

(42:55):
Like you said, open that bookand start flipping through and
pull something from that.
That's something I've beendoing just in my faith journey.
Like we mentioned, I rejoinedthe church.
A different church man, mycousin.
Shout out to Pastor Estelle,pastor Twyman, all the ministers

(43:16):
at Blessed Hope MissionaryBaptist Church.
Shout out, shout out, shout out88-0-4, Buckeye Road, Cleveland
, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know the address.
Go ahead, hey man.
They sent him here.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
They sent him here.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
But shout out to everybody.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
So my cousin, late last year I'll tell you earlier
this year, I believe it wasJanuary or February 2024 was
elected pastor of Blessed Hope.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
And I was so proud of him.
I remember watching the entireservice on YouTube, my phone.
The service was so long it tookme like two and a half days to
watch it.
It'd be like that, yeah.
So I sent him a video messagelike yo, cuz I'm proud of you,
man, so happy.
So what?
I yo cuz I'm proud of you, man,so happy.
So what?
I said hey, I'll see you soon.

(44:01):
I said I'll see you soon and ittook me like two Sundays
because I want to go see cuzpreach.
Now, when I went, I didn't goto church with the intention of
coming back next Sunday and nextSunday and next Sunday.
And hey, throw a Bible study inthere.

(44:22):
I'm going up there buying fish.
It was around Easter.
If you sell me that man, youdone got you with the dinner
Real till they got me man.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
You know it's something I like to eat.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, for sure, and I'm up there, I'm congregating
with everybody and shout out tothe Kitchen ministry as well.
Sister Chapman, shout out toDeacon Dooney, to everybody down
there.
Man who really embraced me Forsure and really kind of honed me
in, that was God.
God got me with that fish.
I'm going to sprinkle some fishon him.
He's going to start coming.
I was like Well you know theyhad Jesus on the back of

(44:53):
people's cars Was a fish right.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, on the back of people's cars was a fish, right?
Yeah, see, they did put alittle parsley on that fish.
Fish is important, you're right.
You're right.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
But no man, and you know it kind of happened where I
joined.
I was moved.
Man, Reverend Hardrick preachedthat day and he was talking
about keeping it real.
Wow, and I was at a church.
It was about four or fiveSundays in a row.
Wow, and this high I describeit because I sit up in the
balcony and I describe it aslike getting punched in the

(45:23):
mouth.
Just about all of them pastorswho preach.
It was like a different pastorevery Sunday at this point.
Man, Reverend Williams preached, my cousin Tyler preached,
Reverend Hardrick preached,Reverend Maxwell preached and
I'm getting Pastor Twyman preach.
Shout out to Pastor Twyman andI'm sitting there getting
punched in the mouth.
That's good, Almost sitting inthe church like feeling shame.

(45:47):
Man, they talking to me butthat didn't deter me and say man
, I ain't going back.
It was kind of like let me goget hit one more time.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, let me go get hit one more time.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Let me go get hit One more time.
You gotta accept that.
That's the accountability.
You gotta be willing to sit inyour shit sometime.
But in doing that I was movedand I surrendered and said, okay
, god, I hear you, I feel you,let me take this step.

(46:17):
Even the Sunday morning when Ijoined, because in my mind I
hear you, yeah, I hear you, Ifeel you, let me take this step,
let me take the.
Even the Sunday morning when Ijoined, because in my mind what
I was going to do, you know it'saround springtime at this point
, late winter springtime.
And so I go hey, I'm going tojoin around my birthday I'll be
33.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, it's perfect.
Jesus, jesus, jesus Jesus.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
But what God say?
Oh, you think you about to waitsix, seven months till your
birthday.
He said come here, Boy, come onup here.
And it's like hey, here we goFor sure.
And now, here we are, man.
Right, here we are, god is mostdefinitely a beautiful thing,
man, but you hit on something,and I think that this is a big

(46:54):
thing when it comes to us ashumans, regardless of what knee
bow for whatever God we pray to,I think the part of
surrendering that's.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
OK.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So, as you mentioned, I surrendered myself.
I wasn't fighting againstmyself, I took myself into the
current of what was going on,compared to fighting against it
and knowing it's a tough fightbecause you, you magnetically
being put there, yeah, you wantto go there.
You know, I'm saying you wantto test yourself there and you,
as you say, it wasn't like younever had it, it was just turned

(47:26):
down a little bit, yeah yeah,I'm saying, that's all I grew up
in church.
you know, I grew up in thechurch, man.
Um, I'm talking sunday, monday,wednesday, thursday, choir
rehearsal.
Right, you know, I'm sayingsaturday, because we got to go
because mommy got choir Walking.
Sunday, monday, wednesday,thursday, choir rehearsal.
Right, you know what I'm saying?
Saturday we got to go becausemommy got choir rehearsal, so
now we got to go.
You know, we just in the Bay,but like legit in church man,
shout out to Mount HermonBaptist Church, which I still

(47:47):
consider a, you know, a churchhome even though they ain't my
church home now, you know butthat's where I grew up.
I grew up in the church.
Shout out to Lee Memorial, leeMemorial, lee Memorial.
Yeah, man, we went to GreaterFaith.
We went to Phi Lima.
It was a couple differentchurches and as a kid man we
would this was just me, we wouldgo to like different churches
and I thought it was a differentGod at different church.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I'm like why we don't go back to that church, Like
that guy ain't at work today, Ilike him.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
But then, but we would always.
We always stayed in the churchand then, even when we shifted
religions, we shifted from goingto a Baptist church, we would
go to the Kingdom Hall we'd goto the Kingdom Hall, which is
still Christianity which isstill under the umbrella of
Christianity one say Jehovah,one say Jesus, you gotta sing at

(48:38):
both places.
But Baptist gospel singers arebetter singers than Jehovah
Witness singers.
If you ever went to a Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Hall and heard them sing.
They be at one level.
Yeah, it's one pitch, it's realmonotone.
It's one pitch monotone.
No solo, nobody, solo, no solo.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
You got one person who can sing and Monty Terry
would go and she could sing butshe trying to hold back.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
You know what I'm saying, cause she got that soul.
Yeah, that's hard, that's hardto do, that's hard to do.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
That's hard to do, it's real, like the Pope like
how they sing, like you knowwhat I'm saying, it's real like
that, yeah, but when we would goin there, I always loved the
teachings, like like, I love theway that they taught, I love
the way, even at the church howI got to see this.
Different styles.
Like it is, it's just adifferent style.
These are still people who areanointed, but this is how this

(49:25):
person gets their message offcompared to the father said do
unto others as others yeah, it'sa different.
Do unto you it's a differentstyle of preaching and everybody
can't preach, that's okay.
Everybody can't preach, man,I'm, I'm a big that's true
that's true, I know you.
I know you mean good.
Yeah, I know you mean good youknow, you know some good

(49:46):
preaching when you hear it.
Man, yeah, and I think the real, some people and that's one of
the things, man here, atpermission to speak freely,
podcast man, we, we baseourselves on speaking freely,
being able to give our, ourtestimony.
Man, you ain't gotta be adoctor, indoctrinated, reverend
to be able to to give atestimony to somebody, to be

(50:07):
able to preach to somebody, togive some info to them, to be
able to say, hey, bro, it's moreto you, I see this in you, I
can do that for you or whateverthat, whatever the situation is
in the streets, we call them ogs, og for sure, call them ogs or
some, or your, or, if you had alittle bit more apology, your
uncles and aunts, your ancestors, your elders.
You know I'm saying, butsomebody that was there to still

(50:29):
navigate you definitely youknow I'm saying on whatever
level it may be.
So I I believe heavily in ahigher power.
I believe in God.
I believe in seeing the miracleworks that they, that this God
performs, okay, that I knowmortal man don't got the
ingenuity to do as my grandmawould say.

(50:50):
God says you can't even imaginelike you can't even imagine.
Blow your mind and I'm like hey, hey, hey, hey, but, rep, like
always pulling from that source,always pulling from that source
, man, so you coming here today,rodney man, you, you didn't,

(51:12):
you didn't anoint it.
As I told you people, rodney,get good with rodney, because
rodney bought the first 100seats in heaven.
I'm telling you, yeah for sure,just by his good deeds he's
been doing, and just hey, man.
And for those who don't know,rodney is a childhood friend of
the family yeah for sure.
Okay, not just me myself.
I have my own personalrelationship with him, but

(51:33):
that's through my youngerbrother, shout, that's through
my younger brother.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Shout out to Tay Keontae yeah, shout out to
Keontae man and his new babycoming here.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Hey, we all got a real dope picture together, from
where I'm going to have to pullit up.
I'm going to have to sit hereand try to find it.
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
We was at the bar for Keontae's birthday.
Oh I didn't know, Remember Ihad to get.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I wasn't 21 yet.
Yeah, see how the lower Workgot in.
Baby, you got in.
I'm gonna have to do Some dance, but we share Tons of nostalgic
Memories, man.
If you could Pull a nostalgicMemory that you have From our
family man, you've been Around along time, oh man what, oh my
gosh.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
There's so many, so many, so many, so many.
I don't see like it's probablythe story I want to.
It's probably like us having tomove from your mom's from from
260th now, mind you, like Icould always say the parties,
the luau's that we had, but forme that's them, luau, that stuck

(52:32):
with me specifically because,like it was just like so body
stressing like I remember solike so guys.
So his story happened, so his,so his mom was moving from.
That was a three-story house,correct on 262 because it was a
260 on two city.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I remember it was.
You had the basement, firstfloor, second floor, so yeah, I
forgot, your ass was there too,hey man he's like I had to be
there I was yeah I had to bethere, if not I'm gonna get
cussed out by everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Miss kim's had to be there.
So I remember when everybodypitched in like everybody who
kiante and kira was cool with,we helped pitch in family and
friends, whatnot.
So, mind you, like how we saidbefore, um know Moms, I say with
most love, she's a Organizedhoarder and she was With love.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
With love, with love, sprinkling Jesus on it,
sprinkling Jesus on it For real.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
So us Trying to transition From a big house To a
smaller townhouse Was not easy.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Because like, oh, she went over there On brush.
Yeah, I'm giving out addressesand shit Saying on brush.
Yeah, I'm giving out addressesand shit and we, we broadcast it
from cleveland so I remember,like you know, us trying to
downsize some stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I remember everybody's trying to convince
her to like let go some stuff.
Like remember you key, kiera,you usually like my, this is not
gonna work, and so she's likeno, it's gonna work, it's gonna
work, it's gonna work taking afish tank.
You ain't got no fish she triedto take a dresser cabinets and
whatnot, and I remember like,like I said before, it was like
books of like um, like coloringbooks with like math questions

(54:06):
and whatnot.
You know everybody has like likekids and whatnot.
She's like.
You know the kids may want todo this one day and someone's
like mine are gonna use them.
Wait, I think I want to say itwas a.
You know, crystal Kind of got.
Well, both Kiera and CrystalGot no filter to it, but Crystal
Got a little bit like Littleless More filter, no less filter
.
Yeah, I was going to say Lessfilter.

(54:26):
So she was like my mic is goingto use that.
She was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
.
Kiera, whoever your name is,they're going to use that.
It's going to be worth it forone day.
So I remember it startedgetting late, like late, late.
So I remember, like everybodystarted going home, I got to
take this truck back.
Yeah, for sure that be the thingyeah so everybody started going
home Because I remember it wasZach, you Lo, and, like so many

(54:49):
people, you know me, you knowKeontae stays there.
So he got on Choi's butt.
I remember it was like the verySorry, Keontae Sorry.
Because I remember like it wasthe very next day she had to
move out, the very last day shehad to move out.
I remember everybody startedgoing home and there was still
more stuff that had to get putinto the truck.
And so for me I'm a good friend,so I still stay with Keontae

(55:12):
Like I.
I remember like we startedloading up the truck.
This is probably like three,four o'clock in the morning.
I remember it started likelight snow started falling too.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I'm like it started snowing down and everything, man
you a really good friend.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I can see now.
I can see why I got 100 seatsin heaven now.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Bro, you done did your due diligence, man.
You done did your due diligence.
I'm so glad that you were ableto come in today, man, and talk
to us a little bit aboutyourself, getting the people to
know a little bit more about you, getting to see just more of
who you are, man.
So, if you can reintroduceyourself for the people once

(55:50):
again yes, indeed, because I dida poor job.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Nah, for sure, for sure.
Alright, guys, what up this?
Your boy, rodney D Adamson II,born and raised in Cleveland,
ohio.
You can follow me on Instagramat it's Always Rodney and that's
Rodney, as in R D-N-Y.
You can follow me over there onsocial media.
Facebook is Dwayne Arias.
Yeah, I'm just a man of God whohas a heart and a passion for
spreading the love of love,light, peace and purpose and
bringing and making peoplerealize, through media and

(56:15):
content creation, that you havea purpose bet, bet, bet.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Man.
I think that's a really, reallysolid purpose.
So let me ask you this man, areyou uh, we're gonna dig into
your personal life a little bitman, are you a relationship man?
You seen anybody at this time?
Yes, I'm definitely in arelationship.
Yes, all right, all right so,so, so we really big on
relationships man we're, we'remarried men over here uh.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I'm eight years in.
Congrats, congrats, thank you,thank you, thank you.
Sharpened up to be better Sevenyears of marriage last month.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Come on, congrats.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Applause, man, congrats, congrats, congrats,
thank y'all.
That's not easy.
So for 2024, that's not easy,this is true, man.
Yeah yeah, yeah, your views onkeeping and healthy.
What are your views on keepingyour relationship healthy?

(57:03):
Um, definitely, where I'm atright now is definitely
compassion.
Um, it's definitely compassion,and this is a department where
I like him, but it's alwayscommunication, like, definitely
communication, for sure.
Um, it's about realizing um,why is your spouse or
significant other saying this?
Don't get so defensive on you.

(57:24):
Know how it is like if someonetries to tell you how you feel,
you already feel like you wantto defend yourself.
Oh, I'm doing this because blah, blah, blah.
No, I don't got to do that, butit's like you got to realize.
I'm starting to see it's apartnership.
There's a reason why yourperson is putting this tooth to
the forefront.
It's not because they're tryingto chastise you or to make you
feel bad, but because this wasconcerning them, this was on
their mind, and that's what I'msaying.

(57:44):
It's not easy, you know,especially for a woman, to
present how they feel aboutsomething, because they know how
you may react.
Yeah, very much so very much sobecause I said I think this this
most um most healthyrelationship I've ever been in.
I've been in some toxic ones,for sure.
But you know, like she is alsoolder as well no, she's 36.
I'm 30.
So there's definitely adifference in that.

(58:06):
So.
But you know, I love it because, like there, it shows the
maturity that's in it.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
For sure, for sure, man, and you being a man of God,
being career driven on a pathof being able to spread love
into the world.
Man, how did you and thisbeautiful young lady meet?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It's actually funny.
We actually made it off of aChristian dating app.
Actually what?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Christian Mingles, christian Mingles, that work.
That's what's up.
Trying to get it in Jesus, Ibelieve in Jesus, but I can be
holier than thou.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Man, look.
So the app we met on it was itwas called, it's called Upward,
it's called Upward.
So we met off of that.
So you know it basically like.
It's just like how Like aTinder feel is.
You know, swipe left, swiperight On who's cute, who's ugly.
So how like a Tinder feel is noswipe left, swipe right, or
who's cute, who's ugly?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So Damn Dang.
I said well, I don't lie, it'sso.
Y'all made a match.
Look, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
It's some unattractive people on the app.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm going to pay to you, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I'll be honest, it somebody in life.
They found somebody.
If not, you know, god has aplan for you.
Jeremiah 29, 11.
So for, I know the plan, solet's go for sure.
So, um, yes, we met off of thatapp.
Um, you know, I said we swiperight, we end up like matching.
Um, you know, you know basicconversation.
Hi, my name is ronnie.

(59:27):
I'd like to get to know you.
Hi, my name is such and such.
I want to get to know you.
And it just started buildingfrom off of there.
And, um, it's crazy, because itdon't feel like we met off of a
christian dating app, it don't.
It don't feel like it likeevery time someone tells us that
story then, how you have tomeet, I'm like, oh, we did meet
off of an app.
Because, you know, because wehear these stories, you know
someone's living in cleveland,this person's in kentucky, or

(59:49):
hey, I'm in california, you'rein new york.
Like, how's that gonna work out?
So, by the grace of god, youknow, we were in the same area,
which is Cleveland.
So it was dope, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, God set that up for real.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yeah, that's solid man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I seen 90 Day Fiance.
Some people be getting stood upman, they be faking them out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, that's true, and you said, this is a
Christian-based app.
It's faith-based.
Yeah, yes, don't download thatapp.
No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Well, the reason why I ask Is because you know
Sometimes the tough part.
Say you know when you're firstmeeting Somebody in a
relationship.
So when you bring Religion intothat relationship and it's like
, do we match in this way, it'llbe heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Say you find the one who you find attractive oh man,
she seemed perfect I wanted tobe with my mom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
But then you find out oh, I don't believe in God.
It's like ah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And it's crazy Like Cause I said, is that a deal
breaker, though, for meabsolutely.
I mean for If I was single Causeit does Because, like you, have
morals and values that you doand why you do it.
If you have someone who isunequally yoked, you know it's
gonna cause Friction, and that'sone thing when me and her, like
you know, we have the sameviewpoints of things, of when,

(01:00:57):
whatnot, and so that's even mymid-20s.
That was the hardest thingabout dating once because, mind
you, I was going to tell youthis, so hearing your stories
was so great because, crazy, Ididn't grow up in the church for
real.
You didn't grow up I was one ofthem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Kids like we showed up on christmas and mother's day
seeing me christmas, mother'sday, easter I was seeing me
members, you would, man, I caninterject, but you would not
believe it.
You would believe that Thyrodand my staff Comfort me for sure
.
From day one, but how you carryit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
And it's just, it's a .

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
A maturity man, it's a maturity it's an essence.
You got bruv Like you done thisbefore you done been here
before you, shielded bysomething great yeah, so you you
guard it wherever you go, soyou can see that you can feel
that man for sure yeah just you,wouldn't man?
As, knowing you as long as I'veknown you, I'm like man, I'm
like man rodney probably still avirgin, all kind of shit.

(01:01:52):
I was just joking, say littleshit, I was, I was the other
time I was, yeah, but me, butbut you, you like you family.
So I'm joking With you, withyou man and my sisters Would
always compliment you Like ohyou so handsome.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And so it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Rodney always been a great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Rodney always been a great guy.
Ladies and gentlemen, Alwaysbeen a great guy man.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
They would always flirt with you, say stuff Like I
remember Crystal told you likeRoddy, I'm gonna take your
virginity, hey hey, at thatpoint I was ready, I was like
your mom, right, hey, look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I was like Chris.
I was like can I say, man, I'mgonna be your stepbrother man,
brother-in-law, let's go, Ialready helped your mama three
times.
She said palms gotta be greased.
Okay for sure man, it'sdifferent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
When it's your big sister, I can see.
If it's your little sister,this is your big sister.
I'm the victim.
She came at me.
So I get it, man.
I get it, man.
Your character speaks foritself, man.
How you represent yourself, howyou represent God, man, I think
that's a lost art of how youwear your God man and how you

(01:02:55):
lead with it and how you say hey, I'm moving and navigating by
that man.
I think, I think that's a dopething, man, I think that's a
lost art Like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I said yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
People who I remember I used to be afraid To pray in
public.
I used to say my grace.
I'm a big grace sayer.
I'm like yeah for sure.
Yeah, I used to be scared Tosay my grace.
What is he over there doing?
But now you know, it's just,hey, you feel more free.
You feel more accepted intopractice and you know what To
speak to that man, because Icould definitely understand that
, like I've never been like apublic prayer, this last maybe

(01:03:29):
less than a year, man, I'vebecome better at that.
Not that that's like you haveto have, but it does require
some sort of courage, if youwill yeah, like it's courage and
it's practice, like the moreyou do it, you're gonna get
better at it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
For sure to speak to God publicly.
I think that's somethingdefinitely uh powerful, but it's
question time, for sure.
Why do you think because I knowthis is true why do you think,
especially when we get older mando you feel like people are
like ashamed of being a believer, believing in god, believing in
jesus?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
um, I think, because it's not popular for sure, it's
not popular like you know, like,and and I said this kind of
ties in with what we talkedabout like, like dating, like
you know, like I gave my life tochrist, 24, 25.
So imagine trying to datearound that time in a world
where it's, um, it's not popular.

(01:04:21):
Where like like, hey, you know,I, I want to have sex, I want
to party, I want to do drugs andblah, blah.
Where it's like, it's likethat's what comes in
relationships.
So imagine, like coming withboundaries relationship on, hey,
I can't do this, I can't dothis because I feel like it's
going to be lead me down thewrong path.
Yeah, so it's like, it's it'snot popular.
So for me, like dating was hard.

(01:04:43):
Like you know, I remember likeI went through a period where I
think everybody goes throughthis, where, like, they want to
practice celibacy or abstinence.
So I had like like a ring.
I'll never forget this, I'lltry that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
When you get married, you just celibacy, just come.
Sometimes you don't get none meand my wife tried that when we
got engaged.
All right, we're gonna wait.
Now, how long wait can we bump?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
this wedding up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
We got married in like 26 days 26 day fiance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
But uh, but yeah.
So I remember I was dating thisgirl this one time, like I had
a ring on.
So she was like, so, are yousure?
Like you gotta have that?
I'm like, yes, I need to havethis.
She's like, yeah, can you takethis off for like one night?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
So I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I'm like and it's been constant with, it's been
constant with that where, likeyou know, you're trying to be
right, but when the world it'spopular, where you see it in
media, movies, music.
Advert world it's um, it's, it'spopular, lord, where you see in
media movies, music, umadvertisement shoe.
You can go on instagram withoutwearing a dang condom on
because everything is so veryprovocative.

(01:05:46):
It's very provocative.
So imagine trying to remainyour faith in this when you're
in a world that's not popular.
So, um, yellow, just answeryour question.
That's what it is.
It's just, it's not attractive,it's not popular, but I do
think in.
I think now, um, if you exposeyourself, like how I'm big on
exposure, like you do havepeople out there who is
advocating the christianity in awhole dope way.
Even right now I'm listeningmore to like not traditional

(01:06:11):
gospel, even though I do lovethat for sure, but like more
faith-based, like like artistslike like I got this this.
This artist I love his.
His name is kb.
He said this line.
He said this line I'm so dope,he, he.
He said you gotta believe this.
I needed jesus.
It's friday but sunday's on theway.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Say bye to felicia I like that kb and that dope
that's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
So like, so like.
There's ways.
You know I'm supposed to meet.
There's people who's making um,like, like, how it says in the
word.
No, god says I'm doing a newthing.
If you have an old mindset,you're not going to adapt to the
new things.
So that's when, when olderpeople say, like, how are we
going to get new people, how arewe going to get the youth in
church?
You cause you're stuck in yourold ways.
Like only the people who isaround our age, more like

(01:06:56):
millennials, and we cancommunicate with them in a
different way that y'all came.
So, yeah, it's going to bedifferent.
So let's say, I rock with likethe, the christian artists.
I rock with like the contentcreation, um on instagram and
facebook, because they're doing,in a way, how most people in
the pulpit can't do, like.
I say like everybody, if you'rea believer, you're, you're a
minister.
You may not be an ordainedminister, but you're ministering
to people for sure, for sure,so that's how I look at it, for

(01:07:18):
sure solid man, solid, solid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Hey, it's all.
It's holiday season man.
It's holiday season man.
What you got, what you gotgoing on thanksgiving man, I
mean you coming through, I'm hey, let me know I'm there.
I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
And look, he's like we got not no food me and the
wife, we going to somebodyelse's house, I know we.
Oh so y'all, house hopping,that's what it is, y'all house
hopping.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, we're going to the stairs, man, we gotta ride
it out.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So that's what you and thefamily usually do around the
holidays.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Um, this is my first time when me and her are
actually doing something liketogether so okay so you know for
the first, you know we gottacook our own food first, so have
our own meal at first, becauseyou cook, huh because, huh,
because you cook.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
You see I'm gaining weight.
Hey, you've been in the gym too.
I thought it was good too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I mean it's both.
It's both, like I said, butshe's a phenomenal cook.
That's solid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I remember like that's a skill, that's a trait
that's necessary, that is anecessary skill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Absolutely.
I kind of needed that because,no, it's a lost skill to cook.
Hey, say that one more time manSay that.
One more time I said you knowlike cooking is a lost skill.
Boom Cooking is a lost skill,oh man hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Hold on, ladies and gentlemen.
I found it.
Ladies and gentlemen, freedomspeakers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I ain't got nan facial hair in this photo man.
I had to go on your page tofind it Word.
Yeah, you had to go on yourpage.
Ladies and gentlemen, Lalo theMost has found this nostalgic
picture of us.
I look like schoolboy Q.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
We look like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Bonthus and Harmony.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Hey, you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I got this picture on my page, yeah.
That picture from like 2010.
Yeah, I was a real Jesus humperat this time too, bro.
You see, I got my cross on mychest.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, man, hey that was the style we had the rosary
pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Had the rosary pieces bro Made Jesus fly.
Get a diamond Jesus piece.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Man, I look like a backup R&B singer man.
But hey, that's a unison thoughthat's a brotherhood right
there Like hey man, when it'scrunch time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
We can and have leaned and reached out to each
other.
So, man, I got a question foryou man when it comes to dating
and you taking your relationshipserious, man, what are some
things that you are working onto present your best self to
your spouse?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Beautiful question.
Honestly, the best thing I'mdoing right now is the first
thing I said, definitely becauseI know myself to not get um
entangled, cause I know me, I'm,I'm, I'm a flirt Like, I'm,
like, like I love women.
So I know that could be my, mydownfall.

(01:09:54):
So the first thing is to makesure my focus is what, what
we're building, because I saidlike with her, like she's, like,
let's say, even though she's achristian, like she's, she's,
she cutthroat you're still, butstill spicy she's spicy, she
will cuss me out and I'm justI'm kidding.
but, baby listeners, I love you,but, um, but honestly, but
honestly, it's all about what'syour, what we're building, like

(01:10:17):
we always get together, hey,what are goals?
What are we trying to do?
What we're trying to do thisyear, next year?
So it's always about makingsure, um, I'm available to hear
her, and also realizing thatshe's a prize, that she's a gem.
Like also, I would say this,would say this, like.
So I made myself like, do youknow how many heartbreaks I went

(01:10:41):
through to get to you?
Yeah, and like I realized, if Ido, if I even think about doing
something that's like ininfidelity or anything like that
, would it be worth me losingher?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Hell, no, that's a big thing man and I man and I'll
say this man, only because youmentioned prize I want to ask
this question and I want tofollow up something because this
is a it's a topic sometimes insocial media.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
These days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Who's the prize in your relationship?
That's a really good question.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
No, that that's a really great question.
Um the prize?
I think really, because I Iknow myself it's really her.
Because what great answer.
All right, it's it's.
It's it's her because I know mydownfalls and my flaws and what

(01:11:32):
it takes to deal with me.
And also, I'll say this thearea that I'm in as a profession
, like being a minister and anactor, like, for example, being
in in a play that takes, it'snot like a movie, like
rehearsals, like y'all say this.
With film, you can do so manytakes and we can edit that.
Acting on stage, that's a onetake thing.

(01:11:55):
Yeah, gotta rehearse, rehearse.
Like I'm at, like I'm at churchmaybe three days out the week
and on Sundays I'm there likefrom three to from three to
almost nine o'clock on Sunday.
Yeah, and I work a job as well.
That's not easy for someone toreally For sure accept.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It's a big part of the job man asked that question
is because?
For I'm gonna start by saying Ihate that question for one.
Yeah, and the reason why isbecause because I'll say the
same thing my wife is the prizeto me.
Yeah, but guess what, I'm theprize to her.

(01:12:31):
Yeah, it shouldn't be a battlebetween who, because, like I
remember, uh, telling the younglady this one time, I know I'm
the prize in the relationship.
Okay, well, if you're the prize, what do you get?
sure and I said it's a reallydope question to a question.
Yeah, you don't get a prize.
If you are the prize, so it's.
It's a ridiculous thing.

(01:12:51):
However, it's important to sayif you're the prize, what do you
receive for?
Sure I get it.
You, the shit to your person,yeah, but what are you?
What are you getting from?
Yeah, your relationship, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
That's all I wanted to ask for sure I think for us
the biggest thing is is peace,like I said, like, like like
previously, both of us was invery toxic relationships before
we met each other.
She was with somebody who shewas with for like years.
They had their issues.
I was with somebody who Iwasn't really my best self with,
like, like I said, I wasdealing with the depression.
You know, I drank a lot,thought about suicide, like it

(01:13:28):
was so many things I was dealingwith, like.
But then I'm seeing how it waswith her and it's like sometimes
we think about like this is sogood, something's gonna happen.
But because, like I say, indating I was the prize and
because I was spiritual in thechurch, they saw themselves as
inferior and me superior.
Like I'm not ready to be with aguy like you because I gotta

(01:13:50):
get myself together when that'sreally not how it is now with
her.
Like I said, she was ready towalk with me, like she's the one
who she gets me more aligned inmy purpose, more sometimes,
more more than how I do, becauseshe's like hey, like she's the
one who helps me like to dressbetter, to like hey, like, hey,
hey, you look nice man.
Yeah, you do man you smell goodtoo, y'all, you smell pretty
good I think like I'm like, likeI said, like you know, around

(01:14:13):
her, like she's definitelyhelping me to.
I feel like, if I could putinto words, I feel like this
2025 will be my coming of ageyear.
Because I like that, becauseI'm with someone who, um, who,
who sees a vision.
That's that's why the biblesays like your wife is your,
your helpmate?
Yeah, because she's going tosee things that you cannot see.
That's right for sure.
So it's like with her, she'sseeing things like, for example,

(01:14:35):
like I'm the youth director atat my church.
So for me, I'm thinking I justwant to come in, just how what I
want to wear, like I'm wearingmy jeans, I'm wearing my hoodie,
and like dope, she's like likerodney, no, you are a minister
at your church.
They need a role model to seelike you're going to show on
time, you're going to dress good.
And they need to see anotherlevel what, what they could be.
That's's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I'm like huh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I'm like get out of my business.
It's youth church man.
It's youth church man.
I can smell like weed at school.
I can smell what they do.
The past said.
You heard what Mr Molly said.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
In your appearance, taking pride in your role.
I think that's a lost art aswell.
Whatever role that you have,make sure that you're fulfilling
it as much as you can you knowwhat I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
she's giving me a lines.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
It's dope you, being a married man, and I just get to
hear it and sit back like Iunderstand how uh necessary a,
uh a partner is a dope mate.
You know having a dope mate Ilike that.
I like that it's dope that thisperson really does.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Compliment you, man this person really does very
important.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Like you said, they put it with your shit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
You you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
you coming in this thing with, you know you still
getting to learn each other andI say this to wifey every time,
you know, and I catch me in them, places where I want to be
extremely intellectual with her,I want to ask those piercing
questions to get to know who sheis.
Before I met her, you know whatI'm saying or things that we've
talked about of her growing andher development, or even myself

(01:16:10):
.
And hey, I can tell you, weboth at the time didn't value
ourselves or didn't have acertain level of respect for
ourselves, and it showed throughsome of our actions and how we
allow people to treat us.
So it would be a question likewhen did you start valuing
yourself?
When did you?
You know, when was the cutoffdate of like no more of this.
And we start that.
But that's a unpacked kind ofquestion, man.

(01:16:33):
That's a Saturday morning, thekids ain't got up yet, we just
chilling, laying around and wejust vibing Like no work, no,
nothing.
But we didn't.
The tone is set to just be likehey, man, this is a level of
intimacy.
I want to talk to you, I wantto let you know, I want to jump
into the task of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
It's already promised to me, right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
It's already promised to me.
Right, it's already promised tome.
I don't want to have to get upand go deal right with the kids.
I don't want to have to get upand go deal right with work.
I feel like being a fuckinghusband, yeah, and my approach
is normally assertive, like that.
Yeah, sometimes it's cussing,sometimes it's not, but it's
still like it's stillromanticized like hey, I still
want tobe a husband to you.

(01:17:20):
I want to just lay here,scratch your head.
We talk Like today.
We had one of them.
Moments like a real dope,reflective moment of Christmas
coming up for the kids.
I'm almost probably doneChristmas shopping.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
They only get one thing.
The Lord said you was alreadyblessed in abundance before now
yeah.
So, god damn it, I'm going togive my kids an apple and an
orange.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Not an apple and orange and a can of cane, maybe
a pear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
You can give them a goat tooth.
No, no, it's too much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
You sound?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
like you after this tissue paper in there, that's.
But I am gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I'm giving it away, never mind I mean, oh wait, are
they gonna hear this?
Though my folks listen, I'mgonna go ahead and put it out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Well, I'm gonna just say this I remember when I was
younger, asking my grandmothergrandma, when you were young, we
talking about one grandmotherbeing born in 1930, the other
being born in 1927.
Yeah, grandma, what you used toget for Christmas?
Oh well, we used to get anapple or orange and stuff like
that.
And we talking Alabama, wetalking farm, you know what I'm

(01:18:27):
saying?
Yeah, so it would be like anapple and orange.
See, now you know the kids wantthe goddamn.
Oculus and the iPad and theApple that's a different kind of
apple.
Yeah, that's a different kindof Apple.
Yeah, that's a different kindof Apple.
So, but you know to reflect andbe grateful.
So, along with the Samsungwatch and the video game and the
$100 PlayStation gift card here, open this little white box

(01:18:53):
with the tissue paper hangingout, and it's an Apple and an
orange and maybe a candy cane.
If you and for you to kind ofwhat, however, reflect real
quick, because we ain't alwayshad it this way, it could be
gone tomorrow, it can be gone.
You know I'm saying andsomething like this is all we
got and it's important toreflect, man, my grandmother and

(01:19:14):
I'm blessed because I stillhave one Every Christmas she
would give, she would get them.
She would have my uncle get theholiday envelopes from US Bank
that was her bank to the USnigga.
She stood by them with thelittle hole for the face of the
bill.
You know it probably wouldn'twork today because the face is

(01:19:35):
somewhere else, yeah, but shewould give everybody in the
family a $5 bill and thatenvelope from grandma to in her
handwriting.
We're talking about a thirdgrade education.
And I still have one.
I was going through my stuff oneday and I'm talking about
crispy $5, brand new to thepoint where them joints would be

(01:19:56):
sticking together.
My uncle would be stickingtogether, my uncle would go get
it.
You had to like peel them apartfresh off the presses, yeah,
but I still got one left and,man, I'm holding that thing
forever.
It's an altar in my house formy grandmother and I got it
sitting up on there.
I got a candy dish.
I went to the Goodwill man gota candy dish.

(01:20:22):
Shout out to the goodwill.
I grew up in there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, I put some salt peppermints in there, some of
them nasty caramel candies thatnobody won't put it in there and
the dish is sitting there.
I don't eat that candy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
That's the ultimate way to picture her.
And you know my diploma, that'sfor sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
But listen, I'm going off my shit man back to
relationships real quick.
So, and it's a question forboth of you, what do y'all think
is more important?
If it is one more important,the other understanding or
respect let me well, rodney, youwant to go into that first or

(01:20:52):
um understanding or respect umlet me kind of give you what I
mean here.
So like I remember my wife and Ihaving some intense fellowship,
you know, and I remembertelling my wife she she's upset
with me and she's like I justdon't understand and I'm like
baby boy, I don't need you tounderstand me, I don't need that

(01:21:13):
, I just need you to respect myway.
So with that, y'all got myanswer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not going to under.
That's a great example.
Yeah, we're not going tounderstand each other.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
And I can go into detail off the air about what
the disagreement was about.
But we're not going tounderstand each other all the
time.
We're not going to understandyour little pet peeves and the
reason why you want to make sureyour cup is that way.
I'll oh, when you put the lidon, make sure the handle is this
way.
You know.
I'm saying like I don't know, Igrab it like this anyway, even

(01:21:46):
though the handle you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
But sometimes we got different things that we don't
have to understand about eachother, however just respect them
you, you know what I mean.
For sure, for sure, for sure,yeah, yeah so when you put it
into that space.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I think most men are big on respect.
They are for sure.
Most men are big on respectmore than, like you said,
understanding.
I don't need you to understandwhy you're doing this, but trust
me, if you don't do it, you'regoing to understand why you do
it.
You're going to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Shit is going you gonna understand why you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
You understand like it's gonna be self-explanatory,
dude, you know I'm saying I needyou to follow order.
You know I'm saying so.
I understand that and can placeit like in a vague text of you
kind of communicate with thechildren.
You're trying to communicatewith your team, you're trying to
communicate with, uh, yourministry.
They don't need to understandthe message, they need to

(01:22:42):
respect it.
Hey, clean up, wow.
Yeah, cleanliness is next togodliness.
You want some saint shitbecause it's a saint.
And one day you know how manythings that we hear when we're
children, and then we grow olderand we're like.
I see why my mom was tripping,it'll click.
Because now I got my own placeI ain't cleaned up and that's

(01:23:04):
the move to fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I'm saying or I can't keep some woman over here
because I ain't clean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Which is giving that in the a little bit of
everywhere man.
So when it comes to zeroing injust to say on marriage for a
second man, that's my seriousrelationship.
I love my baby, so having thatconversation where, excuse me, I
want her to respect what I'msaying, but I do want her to
understand the importance Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Understand the importance of what I'm saying,
but I do want her to understandthe importance.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Okay, understand the importance of what I'm trying to
convey.
So we was at the crib the otherday.
I'm in the man Cave Lounge 87.
That's another broadcast inplace for the podcast Provision
to Speak.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
We gotta hit that more man.
Yes sir, I've seen it.
That look nice over there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's fly, it's jiggy.
You know that jiggy.
I know one of your Christmasgifts.
Who told you?
I ain't gonna tell you that'sdope.
I love my baby when she can'thold Water with a cup sometimes.
When she told me I ain'ttelling you, but I know I got a
gift Coming now.
Morgan Gift giving is her thingshe likes to give.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
That's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
But when we, when we have our conversations with each
other man, I always preach toher of, like I have to be myself
.
Yeah, I have to be myself.
I have to be is and you have tobe like what I would consider
like my safe space.
You have to be that for me, theworld is loud.

(01:24:36):
Ok, the world is loud.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
You world is loud.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
You are desirable, I am desirable.
I choose to dedicate and submitto you as you choose and
dedicate to submit to me twoways.
True, I don't want to feeldeterred or neglected on
anything that I am sacredlycoming to you for so being able
to communicate like I'm look,I'm longing for you, baby, I'm
lusting after you.

(01:24:58):
I to you for so being able tocommunicate like I'm longing for
you, baby, I'm lusting afteryou, I want you, I want to be
sensual with you, and it justain't just not just doing this
to you, not just humping on you,but it's like that we gonna do
that.
But leading up to that, itshows what I am.
It shows that I actually give afuck.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
It shows that I care.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
You know what I mean Just old and style.
You know just spit-startedcoochies you didn't have to hit
nigga, just because you ain'tforeplay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
You ain't kissing nibbling.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Or you, just I'm one of them.
Before we even do anything, Ilike to do nothing at all with
you.
Yeah, right, like I like to donothing, like we do so fucking
much.
Yeah, we are professionals inwhat we do and I feel like
sometimes, you're one of ourthings that we work on with each
other is we are both sopowerful that we'll forget that

(01:25:52):
each other needs help.
Wow, because it's like hey, you, that's heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Man you spitting today?
Wow, Because it's like hey you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
You spending the day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Bruh like hey.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
She'll see me handling shit and I'm just
Smiling and she'll be like youneed anything and I just default
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Nah, nah, I'm good, I got it.
I'm good, I'm solid, bro, andI'm really like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I just need a hug.
I just need a hug, amen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Please put your titties on me.
Yo, let me Put titties on mewith your girl woman parts on me
let me tell y'all a story oneday, man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
So y'all know, you know Jonathan Majors was in a
situation he was in, shout outto you know, apparently the lady
dropping the charges orwhatever.
Shout out to that, as sheshould, as she should, but at
the, my pinky, go ahead, shoutout to Jason Lee as well.
The Hollywood Unlocked.
But it was a war show whereAyanla Van Zandt presented him

(01:26:38):
with his award and she huggedhim.
Y'all know what I'm talkingabout.
She hugged him in such a way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
First of all, she's already like a nurturing person
already.
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
A woman's woman.
Yeah, I just got finishedwatching an interview with her
man.
I don't imagine her to be atall woman, but Jonathan is
absolutely a tall man and shetook his head and put his head
right into that bosom In thatbosom, right Right into that
bosom.
She took his head and placed itright there and then she starts
to do this motion of sheddingexcuse my language shit off of

(01:27:17):
him.
Like you.
Good, it's off of you, it'sgone.
Man and me watching that momentI got emotional because I know
we all could use a hug like thatsometimes you know, and so I
remember saying to myself man, Iwas going through so much, like
you know, in the last couple ofmonths, man, like I needed one
of those Ayanla Vanzant hugs, ofthose ayan levanzant hugs, you
know and I didn't say this toanybody man guess what my wife

(01:27:42):
did when she got home?
What's up, she gave me one ofthose ayan levanzant.
Now, she didn't do theemotional, but when she came in
the house and I always like I'lltake her bag and I'll take her
coat and I'll put it in heroffice for her, but before she
even let me walk, she's like boo, hang on, hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
And she just put her arms around my neck and just
hugging me like you're just like, hey, what's up you know, but
she like took, you know it's a19 seconds to say hey, stop real
quick come here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Yeah, it's needed, and just gave me one of those
and I said to her I'm like hey,how did you know she like know
what I'm like?
Hey, how did you know she'slike know what I'm like?
I needed one of those AyanlaVan Zandt hugs, you know what.
I'm saying I needed that.
Did you cry in the car?
I'm crying right there, but getin the car, like right there,
he's like yo, I need like whatwas that Like what made you in

(01:28:32):
that moment, just me thinkingabout that just that day and
moment, just me thinking aboutthat just that day, and you came
in here and said wait, hold up,we're not just about to hey
what's up, yeah, what you wantfor dinner.
It's like hold up, stop timeout the day.
Kids shut up, yeah, yeah it'sneeded.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Yeah, for sure 19 seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Let me hug this man real quick.
That was a beautiful.
I call that because nessa woulddo that sometimes.
Or she'll do.
She'll see me like I'm sad I'mhaving a moment.
Yeah, she'll do.
She'll see me like I'm sad I'mhaving a moment.
She'll do little things likehug me or bring me little gifts,
little trinkets.
You know she's like a cat.
She can bring you a dead mouseand be like hey.
I bought you a gift.
I got that mouse.

(01:29:08):
Dead batteries, you know whatI'm saying, but she'll bring
stuff like that to me or give megifts or just come in my space.
She'll just come and sit like,or we'll be talking.
She'll be like why are you sofar away from me?
And then come close to me.
But I call that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Why you way?

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
over there I got two kids.
I can fuck your ass, but I callthat having an attention span
for me.
You have an attention span forme.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
You're not rushing me , so you can move on to the next
task because I know youimportant yeah, I know you
important, I know them kids needyou.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
I know your girls need to know you need yourself.
I know you trying to take careof the family and you're trying
to cook and you, you know you'regetting things done.
But being able to have thatattention span like hey, baby,
come here and give me a hug,kiss, sit down, talk to you,
whatever it is for them couplemoments to be like, it's a break
for me too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because it's needed.
I think, like, because, as aman, like we're always in our
masculine lives, as what ttjxwould say, um, that the five,
five p's, there's the protector,provider, the promoter, the
prophet and the priest and thepastor of your house, like
you're really in a mode ofprovision.
You know that's not an easytask for a man to do, like, like

(01:30:25):
how you said to to take on theworld, and you know it's not
easy.
So, like we, like how you saidyou are intentionally your, like
, say your partner knows you,she will know you.
Like like, for example, likesaid your partner knows you, she
will know you.
For example, there's adifference between the lady who
I have now and who I was before.
I'm not going to name any names, forget her yeah, so I remember

(01:30:46):
for Christmas recently I got arecord player.
So shout out to my sisters forgiving me a record player.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
My sister supposed to owe me a record player.
My twin sister, crystal, giveme a record player.
So shout out to my sisters forgiving me a record player.
My sister's supposed to owe mea record player.
My twin sister, crystal, giveme a record player.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Come on, crystal.
Come on now.
They ain't cheap.
Go to Walmart.
They got Bluetooth.
Now I want a record player.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Got the Oscore the tape on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You can put CDs in there.
That'll go dope as fuck in thelounge bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
You know I got one.
You know I got one, so holdyour place.
Freedom Speakers.
I know I post pictures ofmyself on social media my lounge
where we record at as well, butLalo got a whole motherfucking
lounge to him.
And he built this bitch fromscratch.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
He put the carpet in, he put the frame in, then he
put a whole door in there.
In there, you got to exitoutside.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
That shit look like a basement.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I know who I'm going to call when I get myself
together the craftsmanship oflike, hey, this man bought a
house and then built the housein the house.
I appreciate that shit, butit's like, hey, this man got a
spot too and we'll go over theresometime.
And you know how I be, like yospot become everybody's spot
because now it's cold yeaheverybody.

(01:31:56):
So, and you saw it after.
That's the way I had to look atit, like I want to be by myself
out here, I want to do thislike, but we love you, this is
where you at.
Yeah, so the kids, the dog, thewife is everybody in there?
Huh, I guess I gotta be inthere, but that's that's when
you know you didn't made it feellike a home that they're
inviting to be in there, forsure, man.

(01:32:16):
His spot.
Nice as fuck, man.
I got to promote my.
I ain't got a name for it.
You got Longe 87.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I don't have a name for mine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
You know we call it because technically for you know
and hold your story with therecord player.
But you know, for realtorlanguage it's called the family
room.
But I pull my man cave card,Get out the game coming on, it's
a man cave.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Like when it's Saturday, sunday, Latham, be Dad
can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I play the game.
Hey, son, ohio State, come onat 12 o'clock.
I need you off this game at1130 because I want to watch
some of the pregame stuff, forsure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I'll pull it up on my phone.
Son.
He said be fair, it's 11 49,you know what it is save you,
save you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
We got scum this weekend we'll talk about that
another time.
Go ahead with the record playerbro, appreciate that chief man
no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
So it's like I remember like, so, like I said,
my sisters, they got me a recordplayer and so they got me two,
two records too.
So the records they got me,michael jacksoniller Michael
Jackson, bad, even more classicman.
So I remember my girlfriend atthe time.
I was interested at the timeshe was like Ryan, why you got
that?
You don't even like MichaelJackson, what that's how I knew

(01:33:33):
she didn't know me Because shesaid you don't play that enough,
or like you know writingeverybody like michael jackson.
But you know, I'm like, when Itook that rubbed me the wrong
way so much I'm like you don'teven know.
I remember for fourth grade, um,I did, uh, we did, like a
project for back history month.
I did my michael jackson.
I damn, I danced to michaeljackson.

(01:33:54):
You, you rock my world.
For halloween.
I was, I was Michael JacksonFor three years in a row With
the hat and the glove.
What else Remember?
When he died, I cried.
I watched the Michael JacksonJacksified movie Like three,
four times when he died.
So the fact that she didn't, shedidn't really Say no, you don't
even like Mike.
When she said that low, I'mlike you don't even like Mike.

(01:34:14):
I'm like that's when, that's,that's when I knew.
But then on the flip side, withthe person who I'm with now, I
can tell she definitely, um,cares.
So what was going on this?
You know, I over, I overthinkat times.
So it was the first time inthis third quarter of the year I

(01:34:35):
started experiencing um, um,anxiety attacks.
Never had that, ever in my life, ever.
I'm thinking I'm having toomuch caffeine and what not.
So I'm at work one day.
I'm just, I'm just, you know,thinking, doing my usual, doing
my marketing for the thing,talking about what movies I'm
going to write for 2025, whatInstagram posts I'm going to do,

(01:34:58):
like I'm all over the place.
So I know it's like my chestgetting tight and like I feel
like someone's like choking mythroat.
I'm like what's going on this?
This don't feel right.
So like, mind you, I'm like Iwas a big caffeine drinker, I
was big on red bulls coffee toget me through the day.
I work at the desk, I'm workingcustomer service, so I'm like

(01:35:18):
on the car gonna go.
Then I feel my chest like thisdon't feel right.
So I go outside.
The first person I call is isher.
I said baby, something over mychest, I think I might have a
heart attack.
She said, right, what was shedoing?
Well, I was having thesethoughts.
I was doing this.
That she's like rodney, tellyour boss you're going home, go
to my cabinet, get the xanax,walk the dogs, take a shower and

(01:35:43):
lay down.
I did exactly what she said andall that was gone.
So, looking into the fact thatshe knew what to do in that
moment, that showed what shecared, and the fact that, like I
said, she motivates my purpose,you need that.
I need it.
Like I said, god will know who.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Like I said, like god will know who, like I said, say
if I had a panic attack withold girl.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
What, what's gonna happen?
World star she went in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
She went in answer the phone, yeah ronnie, you
tripping yeah, and like nextthing you know man up man up
boss.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Her favorite word was boss up.
That was her favorite word.
Yeah, ronnie, it was eitherwriting boss up, you're a
gaslighter or you're anarcissist.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yo.
So people learn these terms andthey don't know how to shut up
about them.
Narcissist has been one of themost Used words and half these.
I'm gonna have my auntie listento this episode.
I love this.
Half of these MFs Don't evenknow what the word Narcissist
means, doesn't even fullyUnderstand what gaslighting

(01:36:45):
means, but they can see thatthat's irritating.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I heard that so many times in that relationship A lot
.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Those are freedom speakers.
If we can do one thing thisyear, I would love to get rid of
the term narcissist.
Just leave that in 2024.
And you can't get rid of theterm, at least minimize it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
It's abused, the term is abused, it's abused for sure
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
So narcissist is abused.
Gaslighting, as you mentioned,is abused.
Crash out, crash out to me isjust that's the word that
everybody picked up after Demure, like now, you can't say a
sentence without crap I'm aboutto crash out the funny thing man
demure didn't last that long,it didn't last.
Funny thing I was watchingmulan with my girls and that's

(01:37:29):
one of the first words that shesaid, really in the movie mulan
the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Oh, the cartoon one, yeah, the first.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Wow I didn't know that when she was writing on her
arm she said be kind, demure ohwow, and I'm like, oh shit,
that was good never part.
Picked it up.
Yeah, never, not until then.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Oh, she said, demure it's been a word since 2001 when
she said it's okay.
Though when she says no, no,she fought with men in war, so
she cool, she handling that shecool.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
So I, as a person who I'm, uh, I get to hear people
speak.
You know a lot of people.
I counsel people.
So when I get to hear themspeak most times about like
their spouse or relationshipsthat they're in or people
they're dealing with, those arelike the basic things that they
say this person they don't care,they're a gaslighter, they're a

(01:38:14):
narcissist, they're selfish,they think about themselves and
it's like there's always a yinand yang and everything you
sound like.
And then when they'll expand orunpack, you might find those
traits in somebody who is verydriven, that's very passionate,
it's like.
But they, they find them at aplace where they couldn't

(01:38:35):
control this person.
Okay, so I'll bring it into thisas a, as a man who has been
found or heard.
Hey, I'm aggressive, I could berough, but I don't mean to be
rude.
I'm sorry.
I've learned that.
Let me try to soften my bitches, maybe soften them.

(01:38:57):
I understand that, but it ledme down a rabbit hole one night.
Of women who, kind of it,seemed like women do a lot of
the classifying of men.
This is true, so it would be oh, it's the alpha male, then the
beta male, then the sigma maleand to me.

(01:39:18):
I looked at it.
Just listening on some rabbithole, I'm scrolling and I'm like
this bitch.
Just these are different stylesof how nigg just listening on
some rabbit hole, I'm scrollingand I'm like this bitch just
these are different styles ofhow niggas talk.
You know what I'm saying?
The aggressive nigga he gonnakeep him.
I'm sitting there justdissecting what she's saying,
but I'm sitting there like whichpart do I identify with?
I'm like I identify with all ofthem, all of them part, yeah,
but I'm sitting there like Idon't think none of this shit

(01:39:40):
matters not at all, because I'mlike if somebody came in there
coming to kick your ass, wouldyou want him to be demure about
it?
Right?
What results are you lookingfor?
Okay, maybe you still wantresults, but you are you
classifying this man on how hisdelivery is?
that's really what it is.
It's really the delivery.
Is his delivery?

(01:40:00):
He more straight to the point,he ain't cutting.
He cutting dry with you of, hey, I need you to do this.
I ain't about to explain to youfor sure.
Then you got the beta male, orhowever they classify.
I don't.
It's like, depending on how Ifeel, because I'm more
aggressive, say, for example,I'm more aggressive with my
woman because that's menaturally.
At the same time, that's whatshe may like.

(01:40:24):
My man said get me together,keep me in line, let me know you
in charge.
Yeah, for sure, compared tothat other woman, you're going
to speak to me nicely.
I have something to say.
I can't say anything either,and it's like we in the war
bitch, you want to die or not?
I need you to understand howserious this shit is For sure

(01:40:45):
when I say duck, duck, duck Likeduck, let's go Nice.
Now you hit, now you done, gotshot yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
You dead now.
So now I gotta find me A newwoman now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Yeah, your sister, she was nice.
Yeah, for sure I mean like Isaid.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I mean like I said.
I think, like Everybody'sdifferent, like you know, I
think we're in an age when it'slike you know A lot of people
Like, let's say Like it was likein high school, if someone had
these shoes, if you didn't havethese type of shoes, you corny.
That's how it is when it comesto like dating, if you don't
have no one, who I'm speakingfrom, saying hey, hey, my man
has to have six figures, havehis own car, have his own house,

(01:41:21):
entrepreneur, no kids.
He got to have his own jet andwe got to go on trips every
other month.
That's like they have achecklist.
Like I remember one of myfavorite preachers, pastor
Michael Todd.
He said he did a bookRelationship Goals and he said,
like, rip up your list.
We all, of course, we all havean idea of how our ideal woman

(01:41:42):
would be.
Let me say this For your idealwoman that you have, is it your
wife or girlfriend?
We always envision the MeganGood, tyra Banks.
Give me another woman, halleBerry, halle Berry.
We always envision how my womangotta be this, they gotta be
that, but then like no, is thatwhat you know?
God, which I'll say this godwill give you what you want, not
what you what you need.

(01:42:03):
Say that one more time, for godwill give you what you want,
but not what you need.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
One more time, I think the people in the back get
put some soul into it god willgive you what you want but not
what you need.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
So it's like you may feel like you would want this
type of person, but you know hercharacter may be jacked up.
Yeah, so you know you say youwant this guy, but you know,
does he?
He beat you.
You know, like I said, likelike everybody wants to, wants
to step on her kale, but whonobody wants urkel yeah, so hey,
but at the end of the spill thenigga still was jaleel.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
He was still still was jaleel bar.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Write that down, come on now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
It was it was just nigga.
Still was jaleel shout out to,but he was both of these people.
Come on now, come on both ofthese people.
But Urkel was just who heregularly was on the show, but
remember, in real life the niggastill was Jaleel.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
He was still cool.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Still was this.
So I say this, man, it's veryimportant to me as I'm learning
in our relationship and Iidentify with you on you know
God was sending you what you,what you need, not what you want
exactly.
Um, I, I had to recognize at atime like, hey, man, my woman is
is what I want.

(01:43:10):
But I also know we got to buildthat once I got to be able to
express those wants to you of ata time man, you know we didn't
been in places, we didn't get to14 years, I didn't have some
days where I felt lonely and Ifelt by myself like amen, I need
some time from you or I need usto be these titles to each
other.
Remember we both are important.

(01:43:31):
She's high in demand to it andher career, her family, the
children, things of that natureat a time, her ministry and
things like that.
So it's like, hey, I'm sopowerful, I'm still
maintaining'm still maintainingthings too, but I didn't even
got work.
I didn't got work done early.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I'm sitting there twiddling in my thumbs you know
what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
I'm saying Now I'm sitting there just waiting on
her and then when she comes, shetired, she exhausted, hot,
sweaty.
You like, hey, you sure aboutthis?
Yeah, it is what I say, man.
It gets to the point where it'slike I remember asking my wife,
like where am I on your list?
You know, I know I'm on thelist, but where am I?

(01:44:08):
Am I somewhere in the middle?
I don't expect to be on top allthe time.
We got children, we got shit todo.
You know what I mean, but wheream I?
And it's extremely important tolove your partner on purpose
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Intentionally, yeah, intentionally, you and I talk
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
So even let's say I don't necessarily feel like it,
whatever it is, I don't feellike rubbing feet.
However, you know what?
Let me put my person first,real quick.
No, I don't feel like rubbingyour feet, rubbing your back.
However, this is what you needfrom me.
I got you Right Because I loveyou.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

(01:44:47):
So my list is down to two thekids taken care of, done with
work for the day.
I done.
Mowed the lawn, I done.
Cleaned the house, I done.
Painted the house.
For is me and you and yourequest something from me.
You at the top.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Between those two things, you on top right, yeah,
and I I do want to touch on thatfor sure, as you are saying
that, um, as me and mysignificant other, as we were
dating, um, we did hook up uh,one of my friends who was a guy
and one of her friends who was agirl that they hooked up, and
then that's good to know, youknow they, you know they kind of
didn't end up like beingsuccessful, um, but then, like

(01:45:23):
on her point of view, the, thefriend she she's like, I just
don't feel that euphoria feelingwith him like I just
like I don't, like I feel like Iwant to be in love with him
every single day, like I justdon't desire that from him.
So for my lady, what we'resaying and what with me, her
discuss behind closed doors,which why I say it's important
to be someone who's who'sequally yoked with you, you know
.
And no, love is an action.

(01:45:45):
Yeah, many people theymisconstrue with loving a
feeling yeah so there, of course, it is a feeling for sure, but
then, like you know, like you,you can tell what you do for
somebody based off of becauseyou not necessarily because you
want to, but you you have to,like I said, what, what god did
for for jesus, for god so lovedthe world, what did he do?

(01:46:09):
gave his only gave his only son.
For sure, I'm giving you my son, my only one, but I'm giving it
to y'all, even though you maynot not deserve it.
Jesus died for what?
Out of love, like because heknew what was he about to go
through.
But hey, I have to do itbecause that's out of out of
love.
So with that story, like youknow, me and my girlfriend, we
agreed that.
You know, like you know, we'regonna have ups, we're gonna have

(01:46:30):
downs, we're gonna have momentswhen I can't stand, you can't
stand, you neither.
But we both know like we wantthat grandma and granddad's type
of love.
You know, oh man for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Hey, man, when you, when you said that, mr brown
popped in my mind, I wanted meand my cousin fuddy shout out to
fuddy uh, quincy burks, we, we,would.
We had chopped it up a coupleyears ago and that was one of
the things that we said justbeing like the men in our family
, for sure that looked at.
We want to live to that, to begrandfathers.

(01:47:00):
You know I'm saying want todrive an rv around the country
ashy knees, tacky outfit.
Come on, you know what I'msaying Want to drive an RV
around the country Gashy knees,tacky outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Come on, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
I'm embarrassing the kids because I love the shit out
.
They ass the grandkids love me,pop, pop, ken and I'm, but it's
always a joyous time.
And I know as a black man oftimes we mow down yeah we don't
get to make it.
You know what I'm saying forsure man it's, it's sad.
So the other night kj had asked,while we just chilling, he just

(01:47:28):
kind of asked one of them deep,inquisitive questions.
You know that that was likewho's this is chilly after that.
Well, he had asked he like, dad, have you ever seen somebody
die?
And I'm like, wow, yeah, man.
I'm like yeah, I'm like yeah,they'll take their last breath
and close their eyes and neveropen them again.
Yeah.
And he like, oh, that's sad,you shouldn't have had to see

(01:47:51):
that.
And I'm like, yeah, man, butthat happens, man, that happens.
And after that it had me thinkabout it and it was like that
shouldn't happen, it shouldn'thappen, it shouldn't happen.
But it does.
And it's like, how did you?
You know it's one of them likedamn, you can poke me somewhere.
I ain't even thought about youknow what I'm saying but it made
me think of him a little bitmore, hug on him a little bit

(01:48:15):
more, keep him a little bit moreclose to me, just knowing like,
hey, bruh, my depression kicksin at times where my survivor's
remorse I get to see like whereI am in life or how I'm viewed.
It's like why me, some of myclosest friends growing up,
didn't even make it to grow up.
Some of them got got kids andthey did.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
They children would never havethat relationship with them, but

(01:48:39):
to be able to sit here and say,man, my son, we right here in
the man cave talking and he likeyeah, you ever seen somebody
die?
I'm like yeah, yeah yeah, andthen cool.
You know, but to even be ableto have that expressive
conversation with him and belike, hey, man, I gotta still
protect this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
You still do I gotta still teach him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
I gotta still prepare him to black men.
Not at all, it's not nice to menand I want him to be expressive
that's where I pull a lot of myrecharge from of like, hey, man
, I gotta, I'm nowhere near donebecause he ain't.
He ain't even started, he ain'teven started.
So how can I be like I'm tappedout?
Nah, man, you gotta keep going,I gotta keep going.

(01:49:17):
And so having thoseconversations with him and him
asking those things and bringingreality to him, because he's
had to deal with death, he hadto deal with death of his great
grandmother passing, a deal withdeath of an uncle passing,
friends of his family membersare passing, things of that

(01:49:38):
nature, and that's a real lifething to be able to communicate
Like, hey, yes, it happens, man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
And even when I expressed to him teachings like
hey, I won't always be here,kind of like the Lion King and
Simba type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Yeah, like I won't always be here, and I can see
the emotion in his face Like,for sure, nowhere near ready to
be without me.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
That's where I pull that from.
Like you not ready, you're notready, am I ready?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I test it every day.
Right, I'm out.
I'm out here, though I'mtesting it every day.
Can I handle what the daybrings man?
So we're pulling that from himand having that with him.
Man makes me tap into being.
Fathers are needed.
Husbands are needed.
That healthy male role model inthe house is needed, that
healthy role model in the surein the streets is needed, the
healthy role model for andeverybody's a role model,

(01:50:29):
because you never know wholooking up to you.
That's right, you know I'msaying.
You never know who was watchingyou.
You be like oh, I ain't no rolemodel was like but niggas
stealing your swag, though, yeahyou know I'm saying niggas,
stealing your lingo or how youtalk or how you move or how you
do business or how you do that.
So seeing that it puts thatlike, hey, man, I really do want
the kids to see somethingbeautiful, for sure, and I also

(01:50:51):
want to be the most beautiful,attractive husband for sure that
I can be to my wife.
That bitches can't get that,but that's that's like like that
, that's a whole, wholedifferent flex.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
I remember I was telling someone the other day.
I said I can't wait to be justlike that dad going to go to go
to parents teacher conference.
Like that's your dad, that'syour older brother, like nah,
like shoot.
You know I've been in in thegym.
You know I probably got alittle gray in my beard for real
we got the wisdom in the wisdom.
I can't like yo.
I cannot wait to get a littlegray in my beard.
I cannot wait.
But that's really what it isfor real and I think for sure,

(01:51:26):
just speaking about the wholething with you and KJ, like I
think it'll be a whole differentfeel Just gotta do this with my
dad, like I.
But they've known each othersince like middle school, dang,
and to have like six kids all bythe same mom and dad, like for
me, I really grown closer withmy dad.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
You a fossil bro.
Yeah, you rare you rare, Ididn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
But I'll say, like, growing up and I know we get off
track, but this is important.
I know how rare that wasbecause it was normal to me,
like it's not until I get Intohigh school and one of my best
friends Still to this day, stillto this day, one of my great
best friends.
I didn't know Everybody didn'tgrow up With a mom and dad In
the household.
Yeah, I thought that was normal.

(01:52:11):
Like I said, my friend I'm notgonna name any names, but he's.
But let's just say Like he'sthe Like, so he's.
Let me say this he's a productof His.
His dad is married to A, awhole, nother woman, but she
don't hurt to Be with him, likeNX, who's his mom.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
So he's a product of that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
So for me, like I didn't know how rare it was For
people to not have A mom and dadin the house.
Everybody had that.
So for me, and all by the same,mom and dad too, yeah, like
people like ain't no kids on theside, ain't no brothers over
here, they did it to each othermore than once yeah, so they got
into an argument and didn'tbreak up.
Yeah like I said, they've knowneach other since they was, like

(01:52:53):
I said, like elementary, middleschool.
Um had mom had me at 17.
They got married in 2005.
She was pregnant with mybrother, who's now about, about
to be 20 january.
So they still and they just nowhad my very last sister, the
youngest um, my first year incollege they still active I'm

(01:53:14):
even saying about your parents Imean but um, but yeah, it's a
blessing.
But I said like I think the bestfeeling I started growing Like
growing up I didn't know why myfather did what he did or what
he did Like for me, like cool,he's there.
But I really gained Morecloseness when I started going
to the bar and drinking with him.

(01:53:35):
It's a whole different feel,like for more.
Of course, he's still my dad,but now I see my dad as a person
.
I think that's going to be awhole different feel when your
kid gets older.
We all have our first drink orfirst cigar or whatever Next
year 13 13 for real.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Yeah, the boy's about to be 13.
Now we ain't about to bedrinking, but that first drink I
mean, bro Misfit, you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
I'm saying For sure I'm there.
I'm there, for sure you ain'twith the chief.
We're going to look at somesparkling cider.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Sparkling cider In some cultures, he can be
considered a man already it'sgoing to be a little 0.2.
0% wine, you drinking wine, butthis is like negative 1%.
The point is and it may notwork, but it's just enough for
you not to want to do this.
That's really the point.
You know what I'm?

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
saying I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
That needs a full local.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
So maybe, hopefully, hopefully you won't try it again
until you 22, 23, 25.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
I had my first drink and the girls too.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Yeah, like I said, it's a dope feeling, like I feel
like, like I said, like Ididn't see my dad just only as a
dad, but as a person.
Yeah, like him admitting hisflaws and what he wants to do in
life, like, hey, what I do toprovide on y'all.
Like, hey, I'm, I'm proud ofyou, I see what you've been
doing, and like you know, whenit comes to your films and your
acting, you know your grandma.
I'm pretty sure she should beproud of you for what you've

(01:54:59):
done.
So, just seeing that that's adope feeling, you know being
able to live long enough tounderstand yeah, because I
remember it was point in timelike when my younger siblings
know they didn't understand whymy dad did what he did.
Like you know, like you knowwhat, we're all human, we're
going flaws, we're gonna fallshort of something.
But when I was in that space ofgetting to like have like a
man-on-man talk, I'm like yeah,I'm like, hey, guys, give dad

(01:55:24):
some, some compassion yeah, givehim some grace, yeah give him
some grace.
So now, now, the fact that thetwo below me, my two sisters now
they're above 221, one is 27, Ibelieve, and one is going to be
24 I want to say they've allbeen to the bar with my dad and
now they got a differentviewpoint of that.
For sure, that's important.

(01:55:45):
It's important Because at firstthey didn't understand, but I'm
like it's a lot as a man thatyou got to go through, not to
mention, like I said, to be aman of six kids.
Whew, yeah, you know, shout tomy mom for real.
You know she held everythingdown as well, yeah, so you know,
I said it takes thatpartnership.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
That's some, that's an inspiration type of love that
I will want, I definitely wantthat won't that man that my.
I would love to see how mychildren view us.
For sure you know how they viewour, our style of parenting,
and sometimes the kids will jabyou and you ain't even know and
they hurt your ass.
So the other day KJ had said toNessa and I was like I think she

(01:56:27):
had got on, was getting on him,and she was like you want me to
get your dad to get on you?
He was like yeah, because hegets on me less than you and I'm
sitting there like I thought Igot on you more.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
You know what I'm saying, but it was like hey, I'm
getting on you just enough.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
I'm thinking I'm getting on you a lot.
I am thinking I'm getting onyou a lot, but you getting the
dose of another parent too, oflike, hey, I may be getting on
him harder when she getting onhim more Right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I'm saying and I'm having those man conversations
with him.
Like hey, man, you got to dothis, you got to do that.
Come outside with me, dude.
We about to do this, we aboutto do that, and cutting grass or
playing sports, that's justkind of like that's the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
That's the reason we here, but that's not why we here
.
Yeah, for sure, it's more to it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
So as I expressed to him do you think the movie Rocky
was really about boxing?
Was Rocky?
Was the movie Rocky reallyabout boxing?
No, it's a love story.
The nigga just fought.
Fighting was just no, no, no,no, no.
The fighting was just theformality or the metaphor of,
like you're going to always havechallenges, you're going to

(01:57:39):
always have this you can't beafraid to take on things.
You know I'm saying dope moviewritten.
Yeah, dope movie written, man,and they didn't carry the
franchise shout out to michael bmichael b, let's go um, but is
giving him that of like, eventaking it to church for a second
.
I'm like hey man, do you thedavid and goliath?
I'm like do you, do you reallyreally really think that this

(01:58:01):
little man could beat this bigman?
I'm like do you, do you reallyreally really think that this
little man could beat this bigman?
I'm like, do you think that'slike, do you see big people?
I'm getting explain to them?
Do you see big people walkingaround, like they like where
there are there's shack, there's, you know?
I'm like I forgot he 12.
But I'm like, okay, the, the,the metaphor in that story of
David and Goliath at least theway I interpret it, is it don't

(01:58:25):
matter the size of your problems, my nigga you take them on.
You take them on head on, forsure, okay.
Faith over fear, right, mynigga.
But I pull it from that passionof like man.
You dig inside, you dig deep.
For sure you will find a personwithin you that you never
thought that you were.
That's right, you and you.
You would never would have.
And then, once you expand tothat nigga, you can never go

(01:58:47):
back you can't go, hey, you cannever go back.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
You can never go back I like to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
So you know you mentioning just having to,
having to get on kj, like me andme and low.
We had a spat just yesterdayand, like you said, your mother
may get on you more, I get onyou less.
It's maybe once every couplemonths.
You know I'm saying yeah, butwhen I'm on you, oh, I'm on you.

(01:59:12):
It's real like it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
It's real when your dad is on you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
It's real, yeah like all, when daddy turned the grill
on you.
It's cooking and I'm and I'mgonna hit you with some bark
because I'm trying to pullsomething out of you that I know
that's in there, it's cookingand I'm a and I'm a hit you with
some bark Cause I'm trying topull something out of you that I
know that's in there.
It's in there Cause you youcame from me and I know I got it
.
I know you got it, it just gotit.
It just it just got to bepulled out and you got to give a
fuck.
Sorry, auntie, I want you tolisten to this, but you got man,

(01:59:38):
and like you was talking aboutthose parenting styles, like I
would love to hear our childrenone day having a conversation
talking about us.
You know, what I'm saying andreflecting back and it's like,
yeah, my dad man, he was, he was, he was this, but he was also
that you know what I mean Likeyou, you understanding your
father more.
That's a beautiful thing, likethat's something that I've

(02:00:13):
shared before on the show.
Like my, my children don't havegrandfathers.
You know I'm saying wow, likethis, there's not someone there
on the day.
Like, hey, granddad, you know Ididn't have a grandfather.
He passed away before I wasborn.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Um, so for that reason, like Ican't wait to be a granddaddy,
which is why I got to make itI'm taking care of my health.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
And that's a whole other thing as well, being a
granddad too.
There's one thing about my dad,but being a granddad, for sure,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
So that's something like when you mentioned going to
the bar with your pops.
I also want to be called Pawpaw.
That's solid, that's solid.
Yeah, my Uncle James, grandkids, my cousins call him Pawpaw,
pawpaw.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Okay, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
But that's something that I yearn for, man.
So, even when my father, who's,you know, always been absent,
like I met my father Once On my15th birthday you know,
september 13, 2007 yeah, 2006you know, met him 2007.
Yeah, 2006.
You know, met him, talked, tookme home never saw this nigga
again One time.
One time, oh wow, one time.

(02:01:10):
For like 40 minutes.
That was exchange numbers.
Nigga never answered the phone.
Can't explain it, and so likeI'd be lying if I said, man,
that shit don't bother me nomore, you know what I'm saying
Now.
It may not bother me today, oh,but it bothered me three months
ago.
You know, what I'm saying whenI'm trying to find something in

(02:01:33):
me as a father to now a12-year-old.
You know what I'm saying Towhere it's like yo, okay, I'm
doing this shit for the firsttime.
I'm a father to a 12-year-oldboy for the first time.
Yeah, I need some guidance andsometimes, you know, you got
role models for us.

(02:01:54):
We got uncles, we got the OG inthe neighborhood, we got people
we can talk to, but son yo to,but son yo you.
Fathers are important.
Yeah, fathers are important.
I need that, I need that and Idon't see, I don't need nobody
to like hold my hand throughlife now.
Yeah, but my mother told mewhen my, when my first son was
born, and you know she called myfather to let him know hey,

(02:02:19):
just wanted to let you know, yougot a grandson, just wanted to
let you know.
Congratulations.
Bruh never reached out onnothing.
None of my kids, my boys, areat the age now where they start
to ask hey dad, who's your dad?
Yeah, them be the ones bro, yeah, and that's crazy though.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
Just not there.
I mean man yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
That's crazy, though.
Yeah, just not there.
I mean, I want that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Go ahead, man.
I'm going to follow up.
No, but I'm saying, like I wantthat, Like I want to, I don't
need no money from you, I don'tneed no, you know what I'm
saying, but hey man come through, Just be there.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
Yeah, it was your neighbor.
He live around the corner.
We drink beer, you know yeah,we'll talk later.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
I'm like, hey, you look just like the neighbor Dad,
but like I do, at 33 years oldman, I still want my dad
Something I never had.
I want something that I neverhad, even at 33, bruh, and maybe
he'll hear this one day.
So I'm gonna go ahead and sayit we ain't got it.
I don't need no explanation.
From the day that we reconnect,we can start right here, june

(02:03:32):
19th 2028.
We can start from our hands,hey, and we can start with let's
, let's watch the Cavs game yeah, some of you think is going to
win.

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
Have a beer.
Start from there, not for real,though.
That's what it is, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Have a relationship with your grandkids.
My kids need grandfathers.
My kids ain't calling nobodygranddad.
Yeah, yeah, man, we sit in thesame boat with both of our boys
Recently found information outabout my father.
My sister, my oldest sister, mymother, was able to look up
information on my father online.

(02:04:06):
Okay, um, I've always, as ayouth, you know, yearn for that
relationship.
Ask for it, um, but as I'vegrown up and lived long enough
to to to see certain things comefull circle, I understand, like
, hey, man, certain things comefor a circle.
I understand, like, hey man,pops probably wasn't fully moms,

(02:04:27):
you know I'm saying they waswhatever they was doing and you
know I became the, the byproductof it.
So, growing up without havingthat father relationship there
and not having the bestrelationship with my mother, it
really made me feel by myself.
It made me like, look for that,look for my father.
Um, especially when I'm needingguidance and everything and I
can't, I had great role models,my uncles and you know great

(02:04:51):
guys that my mama had dated, butthey didn't belong to me.
Yeah, they weren't mine, theyweren't my father.
You know I'm saying I was.
I didn't feel no connectionlike with my uncles, of course,
because we biologically and evenwith, even with my uncle, who
wasn't my biological- uncleNigga that shit didn't make us
no closer.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
That's right it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
All right, that nigga took us all under his wing,
that's right.
So being able to see that manbut still carving my own self
out for sure was like, hey, man,I know how important that
really is.
So, not having my father andI'll never meet him he passed

(02:05:33):
away in 2013, but I gained hisinformation from other siblings,
so I sit with that of like amenwhen I hope I make I'm making
him proud that side of thefamily, proud things of that
nature but it's like, hey, man,I was, that shit was denied to
me.
It was denied to me.
It wasn't like I didn't deserveit or I didn't want it, or like
I could have really fuckingbenefited.

(02:05:54):
I really could have benefitedbut it makes me even more of
like, hey, the relationshipbetween a father and his son is
really sacred.
It's really sacred, is sure?
You, as I tell kj man, yourmother and I gave you.
We, your mother and I cametogether to make you and we gave
you the best parts of us.
You are the best parts of other.

(02:06:15):
Like you are the next to come.
You don't have to be like that.
You don't have to be rough, butI'm like, but you gotta be
tough, you gotta be that way,man, it would just you got to me
cherishing that relationshipmore, because I never want to
deny my children somethingbecause I'm embarrassed, or I
never wanted to deny my childrenan experience that they, that

(02:06:37):
they overall need, because I'mmentally stuck in a juvenile
place.
I have not.
I'm 60 years old with themindset of a 29 year old and you
can tell on how I dress and howI talk and communicate and
where I hang out at.
It's like nigga you 60 at thebar, you at the honeydew.
Nigga you at motherfuckers.

(02:06:58):
You better be.
Why you ain't me thegrandparent?
Why?

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
you be the granddad, why?

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
you ain't Me the grandparent, why you be the
granddad, why you ain't got A RV, nigga why you ain't got a van
Right Doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
But I want to Live long enough To be that and I
want to be able To teach myChildren, because that's really
All I got.
I got my wife too, and you knowshe helped me do that.
But I also know, like we'rehere together but we are here
alone for sure, you're herealone, so it's all of ours, man,
but me expressing that to himand me really caring about my

(02:07:31):
kids and caring about how theygot here, caring about the
person who I had children withand vanessa phenomenal fucking
mother man she's she's steppingheavily on the care for the kids
sometimes and I'll be feelingjealous.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
I'm like I need my nose white too, like hey, baby,
I'm here too, okay, well, youain't.
I want to be laid in your bosom.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
I want to climb all on you and watch tv and shit.
I'll pray for them.
Simple things simple thingssimple things, man, your boy.
Like I said, she's stillimportant, so I have to wait my
turn sometime, but I, you know,I nudge Like don't forget about
me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
What's the line that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
we say Forget about me yeah yeah yeah, it's a line
we say was like hey, man, don'tever feel like I'm okay, don't
ever feel like I'm okay, don'tever feel like I'm okay, don't
ever feel like I'm okay, Don'tever feel like I'm okay, I'm
like most men.
We got to put a mask on to getthe results that we need.
Yeah, all right, I need to putthat mask on to go to work and

(02:08:32):
say, hey, I got to deal withthis.
I got to handle that.
I got to have all the answers.
That's the position I'm in.
Do I got all the answers tosome degree for what this
problem is?
Yes, I might have somesolutions we can try.
You know, simply to be soughtafter.
It's like oh my mother, fuckingGod, when you go home, you got
to put that mask on for thechildren, for the wife.

(02:08:53):
Sometimes you got to even put amask on for yourself to be
happy.
And I was and this was bringingit full circle to a
conversation, something I saidearlier me and Nessa was having
a heart-to-heart and I'm justreflecting on the growth from my
childhood to now and it led tome like, hey, I purposely, every
day, as a trauma response, Ipurposely get up and make myself

(02:09:14):
happy, because as a kid, it waslike that shit was trying to be
knocked out of me.
It was trying to be knocked thefuck out of me of how I
naturally was.
Uh, I'm just energetic, I'mexciting, um, and and genuitive
I'm not, not, you know, I lookat things in an ingenuity.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
That's a fucked up way to say it, but I wish you
man.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Yeah, but I look at things fascinating.
I'll say I look at things ofhow I love to discover.
I love to explore, I love to becurious, I love to.
I feel like that's the her.
I love to be curious, I love to.
I feel like that's the.
I heard Steve Jobs say that,like man, you got to be
childlike to explore becausewhen you a grown up, you kind of
like no, that ain't that.
That's it, and it's like no,it's so much fucking more, so
much more.

(02:10:04):
But I practice purposely makingmyself happy happy.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
No one else can do that for you, that's right.
And I can't put on my wife.
You ain't giving me no head.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
It might favor her to it some days.
You damn stressed.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
It may help some days .
It may help some days.

Speaker 2 (02:10:13):
I can't put that on her plate and make her carry
that.
Me saying okay, I gotta get myme time, I gotta handle my
mental war and I get up in themornings and that's when I find
the time I make it.
We all got the same 24, that'strue, so it's like, hey, I'll
get up between this time andthat time and I, I meditate, I
pray, I get to writing, you know, and I write my notes, I, I, or

(02:10:36):
I would say I order my steps.
No I order my steps daily,though.
How I what?
How am I going to interact withpeople?
When I see my son, what's thefirst thing I'm going to say to
him?
When I see my wife, what's thefirst thing I'm going to say to
him?
When my brothers call or Ireach out to this person, how
will I greet them?
How do I set the tone for that?

(02:10:56):
You know what I'm saying butthat's a chieftain thing, that's
a hey, man, if I am a leader,this is a transference of energy
.
I can set the tone when it'sball and mock work.
You can be on some bullshit andI can be, are you okay?
And diffuse the situation Likeare you okay, come talk to me,
man, give me a hug and put youon my buzzer.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
What's up, but I don't have to racket that back
and forth with you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
I don't have to go there, it's one of them.

Speaker 2 (02:11:24):
Like you, pulling me into your bush, I'm anointed
motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
Did you know, god?
But?

Speaker 2 (02:11:30):
I didn't already program myself, like nobody
gonna bring me down, that'sright, for sure Nobody gonna
bring me down.
I won't allow you to do that,because you don't know where I
just came from, right and a lotof people don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
A lot of people don't recognize that they feel like
what was I going to say?
The other day I said manypeople want to judge the flower,
but they didn't see the seedthat was planted.
You didn't see when I was inthe dirt.
You didn't see when I didn'twant to sprout out.
I wanted to stay in thedarkness.

(02:12:09):
Now I mean for sure, but now Ihad no water.
I had no water, ain't nosunlight at all.
But like then, now that I'mflourishing and I'm grown, like
you can't you can't do nothingbecause I've already been
through the darkness.

Speaker 2 (02:12:13):
I've been through through the BS I I sprouted and
it's not destined for me to goback there.
Yeah so a quote that we usesometimes too, and chief and I
say this to each other,especially on them discouraging
days I'd be like man.
Do trees ever stop reaching forthe sun?
That's powerful.
I like that.
It's like no, it's like nigga,we ain't stopping either.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
I don't know we ain't stopping either you can take a
break.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
God damn it.
Trees, shed, leaves and shittoo.
You know what I'm saying, butit's like, hey, no, I can't put
the thought in my mind I am done.
Am I tired?
Yes, nigga, I'm tired, it'll beit someday Am.
I exhausted?
Yes, am I discouraged some days?
Yes, this is the honesty of whoI am.

(02:12:56):
You can't give me an antidotefor how I feel, but me just
expressing man.
It's an antidote in that forhow I feel, but me just
expressing man.
It's an antidote in that andjust being able to and dialogue
and being able to you can hitthe sigmund freud um, a little
bit, a little bit supposed to beone of them people who was so
smart, they was crazy, but hebelieved in psychoanalysis of
how you can heal people throughcommunication, through dialogue.

(02:13:20):
Remember words is probably themost second powerful thing that
people need every day and wejust overlook them.
It is food, is nerd food forone nourishment and then I love
you yeah that's right.
You need that.
We communicate every day, man,you.
So if you're being told, Idon't give a fuck about you, you
ugly, you is a mistake, youain't shit times physical abuse,

(02:13:43):
would you?
Would you care for that personafter a while?
That's right.
Just looking at it in a vaguestandpoint, not placing titles,
because then it gets confusing.
Then it then it becomes a cyclegame of that's your brother,
that's your mother, that's thisis like.
Hate is hate, love is love.
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I'm not more loyal to my lastname than what's right or wrong.

(02:14:05):
Oh, okay, okay, like me andjesus don't say the same last
name, but I follow what that.
I follow what he say.
That's god's son, right.
So my brother told me um, don'tdo that whole ass.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
Shit right.
Don't do no more, man Don't dono more, don't do it, man For
sure.

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
So it's one of those man Of You'll be alienated
Because you have boundaries andyou have things that you you
stand on.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Sure, and people don't like that.
For some reason, they don'tlike that when you stand for
yourself.
Ain't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (02:14:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a quote we said the other day like
man um, people will be, peoplewill be mad that you happy and
that's sad man.
Oh say, a woman's time for thepeople in the back man there are
folks out there that will behappy to see you sad.
Okay, when you show up and youlooking good and you happy, this

(02:15:01):
person seems to want to bringyou down.
Yeah, yeah, don't you let themdo that to you.
Don't do it.
Don't you let your happinessmake you sad because them niggas
fucked up?
Not at all.
Let me play that back yourhappiness makes them sad because
they not happy with themselves.

(02:15:21):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:15:22):
That's what it is for sure.
They're not happy withthemselves.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
That's right, that's right, for sure they're not you
show them what it is to bededicated to something, to give
your all to something, tobelieve in something that's not
there.
Another word we can put on thatlist of uh, leave it in 2024 is
delusional.
Okay, every everybody notdelusional.
Yeah, I think we gotta hang onto that one.

(02:15:44):
This is my grip with it.
The way it's armed.
It's armed of delusion is nextdoor to lie right okay it's
right next door to lie, eventhough you know it's not true.
So I would even some people belike you.
Gotta be so delusional, you seeit, we call those goals.
We call them goals.

(02:16:04):
Like I ain't delusional, yousee it, I'm like, we call those
goals, we call them goals Like.

Speaker 1 (02:16:07):
I ain't delusional.
I know what the fuck I got todo.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
I ain't I know what I got to do?
You delusional, lying toyourself that you happy and you
not Right.
People will be sad, like peoplewill be mad that you're happy
and that's sad, yeah, so youcannot let people bring you down
you can't.
It's a heavy, heavy thing, man.
It's nobody else'sresponsibility to make you happy
.
And as a person who dedicatestwo to three hours a day to that

(02:16:30):
.
Two to three hours a day, hey,man, I just need my moment.
Yes, I just, I, just I justneed my moment.
No, that's for real.
Yeah, that's real.
I need it, man.
And as I expressed to my woman,like, hey, we fight today as
men, not to undermine women, butit's like, hey, I go out here
and I fight today.
When I come home, I would loveto take my armor off.

(02:16:52):
Okay, I don't need you beatingon me, I don't want you beating
on me Like that's not love to me, I'll run away from you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
I was sitting in that dang driveway for a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:17:05):
I'll go to the titty bar.
They make you feel like theylove you in there.
Drink and chicken wings.
You ever had some good wings atthe titty bar?
Titty in your face, you eatwings and some curly fries.
They'll run up in your pocketstoo.
You sound like you're speakingfrom experience.
I'm going to say that I've been.
They'll run up in your pocketstoo.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
You sound like you're speaking from experience I had,
to get back on track.

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
He said I was in the negative at the ATL I messed up
A bank statement right there inthe club Hold up.

Speaker 1 (02:17:34):
Man Lobe, I put out a loan To go to the street.
Download one of these apps.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
Hey, bro, you're right.
Bitch Dave, I need you toengage.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
You're right bitch.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Hey, dave, dave, I need you.
Bro man, I heard I forgot itwas one of the rappers in the
group.
What the hell is the name?
It was going to come to meEarth.

Speaker 1 (02:17:56):
Gang.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
It was one of the rappers in the group, earth Gang
, and he had said like hey, man,even warriors need euphoria.
He was like, hey, man, webattle and that's something we
carry every day.
Man, we still going out herefighting to get a good fight, we
putting up with the struggleand all of those things.
But it's like, hey, man, I needsome love too goddamn, I need
some love too.
So freedom speakers, if you havea man and I'm speaking to the

(02:18:20):
women for a second if you have aman, talk to them, they need it
who is actually putting in thethe effort, man, okay, like it's
hard to make something ofyourself anybody, but most
definitely a man.
All right, there is no safetynets for us.
There is no system for usexcept a penitentiary system for
us.
Man, that's designed for us.

(02:18:40):
We.
We not set up to get some ofthose benefits that will be,
that are there for you, womenwho may, who need those things.
Okay, I grew up on it, so Iunderstand.
However, it's not a careeroption.
It's not a career option as an,as an employer.
We don't have great people notwant to work because they was
getting all of these benefitsfrom the government without

(02:19:01):
doing anything.
So that's that anything.
So that's hard to fight as anentrepreneur.
We had a great young lady comein, get the shifts, she want
hours, she want all of that.
We had to write the county aletter like, hey, these are the
benefits that she's receivingfrom this day.
Woo, woo, woo Soon.
As they cut her off, nigga, shejust stopped showing up, yeah,
just stopped showing up.
Like, man, I gotta work forthis.

(02:19:21):
I was just getting it all fornothing.
And it's like you're sobeautiful and ugly and I don't
mean to be negative to her, butit was one of them like you
could be so great, but you, youcutting yourself, yeah for sure,
but just just just just givingthat of like one of one of the
battles, man, so if you got apartner who getting out here
getting it, they're trying,they're, they're putting forth

(02:19:42):
the best effort, you see how itis out here in the world of like
, hey, man, it's difficult towant to go to work when you got
a fuck a job mentality, or yougot a, you got a poor leader or
poor leadership management, youdon't care who not trying to
communicate with you.
But are you being fair to thatmotherfucker too, right you?

Speaker 1 (02:20:01):
know what I'm saying?
It's a two way street it, butare you being?

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
fair to that motherfucker too right, you know
what I'm saying.
It's a relationship.
So when I see people who havebad work history, it lets me
know like somewhere in theirlife they probably got a bad
spouse or they don't have.
They can't.
They can't communicate well,because it gets to a point where
it's like it's on you somewhere.
If you find yourself, you know,one month you beefing with this
person, you beefing with thatperson.
You don't like him, you don'tlike you, you don't like her,

(02:20:25):
you can't stand him.
It's like you're the commondenominator I don't say that,
yeah you don't say.
At what point do you say maybe Icould adjust my attitude a
little bit, maybe I should.
Yeah, maybe should I fix me.
Should I seek therapy when youstart smelling?
Smell the crack of your own ass?
That was one of theirprophecies.

(02:20:46):
Man bro Bernie Mac said that inUs All Men he was like if
you're smelling shit, sometimesyou need to check the crack of
your own ass.
Lou, I think I missed that one,bro, as many times I saw that
movie.

Speaker 1 (02:20:58):
That was a part of the hallway scene when they was
arguing.

Speaker 2 (02:21:01):
It was like if you smelling shit, you got to check
the crack of your.
I'm going to go home and watchit tonight, man.

Speaker 1 (02:21:05):
Yeah, I'm going to have to check it out man, I love
it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
You ever seen Saltman Rock?

Speaker 1 (02:21:12):
Honestly, I never really watched it fully.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
You got to check that out.

Speaker 1 (02:21:14):
For me it kind of hurt too much to watch it
because that was one of his lastIsaac, too, it was hard for me
To watch that Because, like Isaid, I'm a big Bernie fan, like
if he was in the game today.
Bruh, I'm front row, front row,so for me, like, it was hard
for me To watch that, butbecause you said that I'm gonna
watch that, bruh, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
That's one of them ones.
You know it wasn't big In thetheaters.

Speaker 1 (02:21:36):
And I'll tell you what I will.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
It's not even big Outside of the theater.
Dvds to bub Like Between Us,though that's one of them gems.

Speaker 1 (02:21:42):
Oh, yeah, where it's like Yo.
Yeah, it's like them classics.
Them classics Like yourpersonal classics.

Speaker 2 (02:21:47):
Yeah, if I'm having a bad day, those are one of the
movies that I put on that I'llfind something that I may not
have seen the first time and butI know certain shit Is gonna
make me laugh and it justnaturally in a good, because I
get it like it's weird, like youwouldn't like just say you know
when that movie was coming out.
That's something I didn't, youknow.

(02:22:08):
I didn't sought to go see.
I want to go see that movie so,man, I didn't have.
It's like burning mac singing.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
It's weird.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
That was like 2000 and Iremember it's like 2008.
Yeah, I remember I was likegoing into freshman year.
It was a lot of time, for sure.
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:21):
But that was one of them.
Ones Definitely check out Soulman, and we got to talk I will A
lot of gems, a lot ofreferences we pulled from that
one too, from that movie, youknow, from that movie man
Freedom Speakers.
If you ain't never seen Soulman, I believe it's available on
Tubi right now Search it, do auniversal search.
Search it somewhere and pay thelittle $4 for it.
If it ain't free, it's worth it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
It's worth it to have it in the archives.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
You got a comedian great, Bernie Mac.
You got an acting movie legend,Samuel.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
Who was?

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
also just very comedic in his own right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
In his own way, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:22:56):
When that acting role presents the opportunity for
him to be funny.
Sam be coming with the funny.
Yeah, he ain't.
He was like you should've got ahip.
You should've got a deluxe hipwith motherfucking rhythm.
Look, dog, ain't bite your asswhen you came in here, you the
dog motherfucker.
It's a funny funny.

(02:23:17):
Back to my $500 a night hotel.
Hand me a shit shower and shade.
Hand me a shit shower and shade.
Hand me a fat juice ass steak.
Size of your motherfucking back.
This shit is hilarious, man.
He said I don't fly and I don'tget up to eight.
Close the door on my nigga, mycousin, get out of jail and have

(02:23:38):
him kill this motherfucker.
That is funny.

Speaker 1 (02:23:40):
Check the movie out.
Check the movie out, man westand by that.
That's one of the ones.

Speaker 2 (02:23:44):
We stand by that yeah that's one of the ones that's
up there, man For sure.
Man, two days y'all.
We two days away.
What's on the menu?
What's happening?
It better be some macaroni andcheese, I'll tell you that Tall
tune that's a staple for thefamily, for the black family
like yeah, it got to like it'smarion cheese sweet potato pie
you just skipped the dessert,like that remember I did the

(02:24:07):
same thing you corrected me too.
Like no, it's two differentcategories.
Like desserts is one thing andthen, like entrees, we'll get to
the dessert table let's talk.

Speaker 1 (02:24:17):
Okay, let's, let's come on start from the beginning
.
Okay, what I would like to see.
I mean, I'm not a big turkeyfan.
Like for me turkey is kind ofdry for me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
Amen, hold tight, because I picked up a ham from
Honey Baked earlier today andthey had the little samples out.
Smoked turkey, roasted turkeyOkay, that roasted turkey was
off the hook.
Roasted turkey Okay, so roastedturkey, roasted turkey.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
Okay, I'm like, hey, fam, we're going to do something
different next year.
Okay, juicy, flavorful, it wasdelicious.
He said I buy this message.
Shout out to Honey Baked.

Speaker 2 (02:24:50):
However, I didn't buy any.

Speaker 1 (02:24:51):
I got a ham, so maybe next year.
He said it was a sample.
It was a sample, so definitelyhami and cheese, greens, baked
beans, deviled eggs, y'all bedoing the baked beans?

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
I don't think we be doing the baked beans.
On Thanksgiving we do the bakedbeans sometimes it depends on
like not us cook the baked beans, but if we go to somebody's
house they normally have likesome baked beans with like even.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
I've had some where they put like little ground beef
in there.
Oh, no, that right there.
That sets it off.
I feel like the baked beans.

Speaker 2 (02:25:22):
Kind of be like that summer, John.
That would be like the LaborDay.

Speaker 1 (02:25:25):
That's the barbecue.
Yeah, yeah, I feel you.
I don't think I've ever hadbaked beans.

Speaker 2 (02:25:30):
I think green beans and white potatoes give me that,
compared to like having greenson your plate For sure you know
what I'm saying, but listen so.
I will say this, though, becausethe mac and cheese come about.
You know Thanksgiving, theyhave it on Christmas Fourth of
July.
So respect to the candied yam,the baked bean also goes well
when it touches the mac andcheese.

(02:25:51):
Let's talk about it.
When the proper flavor of bakedbean touches mac and cheese and
your fork is splitting.
I got a bean on there with mymac.
That is also.
That's a nice side chick to themac and cheese.
Yeah, that's also.
That's a nice side chick to themac and cheese.
Yeah, that's very complimentary, very nice side chick to the
mac and cheese I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
I'm nasty.
I don't care what's touching myfork.
I'm hungry like I'm.
I'm that dude.
I don't care what's touchingwhat.
I don't care if the juice isspilling over in the greens.

Speaker 2 (02:26:14):
I don't care if my chicken touching, I feel that
yeah, I'm with you on that, butplease like, don't, don't.
I don't want no soggy rollthough my cornbread.
When your roll hit the greensit's like ah, this the fat in me
.
I'm 50-50.
If it's a roll, that's a Cheapass roll that is going to get

(02:26:40):
soggy and mushy.
Yeah, don't put that on myplate.
But if you got like, leave alittle piece of hot water
cornbread on there.
I don't like wet bread.
You're supposed to slop it up.
You're supposed to sit in it.
You slop it up, yeah for sure,now I do that.
I hit the bread in my likespaghetti sauce you.
But when it comes to soul food,though, I don't want to touch

(02:27:01):
my green juice Most people have,like the fat people in us.
We have our bread on a separatedish sometimes, or you have it
on your napkin.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
Yeah, I was going to say like a napkin.

Speaker 2 (02:27:10):
Let's say, if I'm warming up my plate.
First of all, the bread go inthat last 15, 20 seconds.
You warm up a whole plate, butI will put the bread on top of
the macaroni and cheese.
The macaroni and cheese, themacaroni and cheese ain't going
to do no damage to your bread.

Speaker 1 (02:27:22):
It won't Put the bread on top of the mac.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
It'll be cool.
It'll be a little cheese onyour bread side.
But I'm excited, man.
Thanksgiving, I was, like youknow, we black in here.
So people are going to betalking oh, we're going to
celebrate them pagan holidaysand shit like that.

Speaker 1 (02:27:38):
I'm ready to be around my family, kick it, have
a day off, and that's reallywhat it is to be around family.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
So I say this, and this is going to be my closing
argument for the night when itcomes to the holidays, all right
, being a man of faith andspirituality, I understand
people having this bad narrativeabout pagans, or this is where
Christmas origin from.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
And this is this, and this is that.

Speaker 2 (02:28:02):
It's like, okay, Christmas it was a massacre.
You're overwhelming me with somuch truth.
Okay, Whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
Can I have something to myself?
I just want to eat bro.

Speaker 2 (02:28:15):
Is that alright?
But you can't make me believethat at a particular time in the
year where most people arenaturally hit with a level of
seasonal depression and I thinkthe lack of sun filters into
that I believe a lack of sun 5o'clock, sun going down, you sad
as fuck, as 703.

(02:28:38):
So dark, you feel like it's 1030.
It's so dark, you feel likeit's 1030.
So it's real.
Some may not Choose to partakeIn what they would consider
Genocidal traditions, but moststill like to partake In what
could be considered A goodfucking time.
Yeah for sure, okay, and if Ican Be around my family, not

(02:29:00):
just because it's Christmas,thanksgiving, it's New Years,
but it's Tuesday and we allhungry, we here.
Can I come eat at your house,because I know y'all eating
Right for sure?
We don't have to make it.
These holidays are purposefulreasons to get together.

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
Right, yeah, and so close too, so close.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
It's 365 days in a year, man, 366.
Sometimes you can tell me wecan get together seven, eight
times a year.
Right, we can do that, we cando that.
We can sit the bullshit to theside, we can resolve the
bullshit.
But you not gonna make me feellike us getting together having

(02:29:38):
a good time is a bad thing,because niggas used to do
bullshit on this day years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Like niggas did bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:29:44):
the day before this, niggas did bullshit.
Niggas do bullshit every day,every day.
Every day, man, okay.
So, that being said, freedomSpeakers, one of the greatest
things we would love to do andleave you with on this episode
is raw honesty, truth from allof us.
We all are given our paths ofwhere we come from, our

(02:30:06):
relationships with god, ourspirituality, how we look to
sharpen up as husbands, fathers,men, entrepreneurs all the hats
that we wear at 80s crowns getheavy baby but jews got real
weight to them, though keep that.
You know that jews got realweight to him, though.
Keep that Know that Drew's gotreal weight baby.
So, as we close out, I wouldlove for the honorable yes

(02:30:29):
indeed the honorable Rodney tobe able to close us in prayer,
For sure.

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
For sure I'll be honored.
Dear Heavenly Father, we cometo you today to simply say thank
you for the fellowship.
Thank you for the fellowship,thank you for the lessons, thank
you for the laughs, the joysand just everything you have
been doing for us for all of theyears of living this thing
called life that you have gracedus and blessed us with.
Allow for you to continue tocover the heads of low and also

(02:30:57):
on key, as well as they aredoing this venture that you have
blessed on their hearts, thatyou have positioned them to be,
allow for you to download it totheir hearts, minds, bodies and
spirits.
Allow for them to come up withtopics that will rejuvenate,
that will allow for them to befresh, renewed, so they can
speak up on your people, whichyou have blessed them to do that

(02:31:17):
.
I'm grateful to be a part ofthis podcast as of today, as we
are able to shed light onsituations and topics that most
people are afraid to speak about.
But you have graced them andblessed them to be vocal, be
open on things that they mayhave been scared about to talk
about in the public eye, but inthis room, right now that you're
able to lay your hand on them,allow for them to be vulnerable,

(02:31:37):
be open about what they've beenthrough.
But it's not really a loss.
It's really a lesson that theyhave been going through, that
they are able to testify, towitness and to shed light on
what has been done.
As we are able to part our waysright now, allow for us to go
home safely.
Also, bless the ears upon thelisteners upon this podcast
today.
Bless the eyes upon the peoplewho are visualizing what we're

(02:31:58):
going through today.
That allow for them to knowthat they can speak freely, like
there is no limit, there's noboundary on what they can and
can't do with what happened intheir life, because, as your
hands are upon our lives rightnow, your hands are upon them as
well.
So please bless their families,bless their loved ones upon
this Thanksgiving holiday, evenfor the people who have passed
away, who are gone away.
Allow for those people to stillremember that they are still

(02:32:20):
here with us today in our hearts, in our minds, that their
memories are still here with ustoday, even though their
physical body is not so.
As we leave today, in Jesus'name, we do pray, amen.

Speaker 2 (02:32:30):
Amen, amen, beautiful , beautiful, beautiful prayer
man.

Speaker 1 (02:32:34):
Yes, indeed, no problem.

Speaker 2 (02:32:36):
Thank you for being a guest on the show.
Thank you for speaking freelyand, as a tradition, when we bow
out of each episode, we closeeach one with permission to
speak.
Permission to speak, hold tight.
You gotta let the people knowone more time how they could
reach you, how they could, howthey could, uh, could see the
show, how they could listen tothe pod.

(02:32:56):
We ain't talk too much aboutthe god man podcast, that's true
, that's true, we gotta hit thatone more time for sure, for
sure.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Hey guys, what up this?
Your boy writing d amps in asecond.
You can follow me on facebookat dewane areas.
You can also follow me oninstagram as well, at it's
always rodney, and rodney isspelled rdny, and tickets are
now available for the productionplay.
People always talking aboutchurch folks.
Any questions about the ticketsales?
You can hit me up on myinstagram or you can on my
Facebook as well.

(02:33:21):
Just let me know.
And also, there is a podcast aswell that I'm also the co-host
of as well, which is called theGodman Podcast.
You can follow us on Instagramat the Godman Podcast, and
that's pretty much.
It Blessed to have me on thisepisode, y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:33:35):
Yes indeed.
Rod yeah, man, definitelyappreciate having you here, not
chief, go ahead and close us howwe close out each show, you
know how we do.
Permission to speak, really.

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