April 6, 2024 • 55 mins
In Part 2, we dive a little deeper into the repercussions of this ominous, yet seemingly innocuous event over the dark horizons of the Colorado High Plains. Join me as I get past the nitty-gritty details of Part 1 and switch gears into a more reflective mode, sharing impressions, and what brought me onto this investigative road of the paranormal highway.
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Last week we delved into the Colorado Swarm Lights episode. If you recall it was
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back in 2019 when what is said to be something like a group of drones or
really floating hovering lights east of the Denver metro area and prominently
over a small rural county called Washington County. We got into the
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facts last week into the when and where of it all but this week I'd like to
share my own thoughts my impressions in a little bit about who I am and why I'm
interested in these subjects and starting this podcast and sharing it with
you. My name is Robert Cavalier and for almost a decade maybe more I've been at
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first casually looking into different esoteric subjects. I'm a writer so many
of these things interest me in a research kind of way in a detached kind of
way but as I got into it a bit more as I got into the weeds as they say I
discovered there was just much more beyond what meets the eye beyond just
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storytelling beyond just stories of interest and as I really got more
involved and more into I guess the nexus of it all it became one of those
situations where you're not expecting to discover more and more and the more you
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think you find out the more there is beyond that's an indelible element
about all of this if you're interested in this these kinds of subjects you'll
understand and recognize what I'm talking about. So as I said last week I
got into a bit of the details of it all and it's a small subject really in the
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spectrum of all the weird things that happen in this state and all over the
country, really, but it's important because it mirrors so much of the pattern
of the way that things go with these kinds of things and all the way in 2019
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and now really 2020s it's a bit strange that after all the available information
that we have over the internet, over social media, over many different ways of
assessing new data that were still baffled by simple things that just come
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out of the out of the woodworks really and in this case actually maybe
literally out of the woodworks. So if you did listen to last week's episode the
Colorado Swarm Lights were just about 16 to some say even 30 group of mysterious
lights that hovered over a rural Colorado and just east of some maybe 20-30 miles
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of where I live I think. I at that time was deep into a lot of work of my own and
very inspiring year actually and that was kind of alerted to it by what the
neighbors were talking about just out walking with my dog really and people
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talking. This is a very grassroots kind of experience where you're not finding
out through the news, through an app, through some kind of alert and there
really wasn't any alert so that's also strange, you know. We are living in an
era of major hacks and disturbing sabotage from outside of our borders
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here and yet we can be caught unawares. What if these things had been malicious
spycraft? What if these things had been launched by a hostile nation? What if
these things weren't even from our local neighborhood and really from really
out there beyond some kind of UAP as they call them nowadays. I prefer the old
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term UFOs and the unidentified flying objects which at the time that really
was the most apt way to describe them. Well you'd think that with our alert
systems, with our radar capabilities and where this all happened because it's an
interesting corner where this all happened right around I wouldn't say
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it's a triangle but you could almost say it's a triangle because the Cheyenne
Air Force area is just maybe 20-40 miles north so really nothing if you fly over
at a higher high speed driving maybe take you an hour or less depending on how
fast you drive and south of that you've got DIA in one corner you've got this
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space force, spaceport that is a bit of a strange thing to have here it's a
considered a kind of business yet somehow maybe even military involved a
project and you've got this metro area with towers and all kinds of
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things detecting activity in the air this is not a place that's you know
sparsely populated at least east of where these things happened. So getting
back to the nature of it all and really how it reflects on where I'm going with
this it was not what I would consider eye-opening but in a lot of ways it
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reminded me of things that I missed just walking about a here or I rather I heard
so much later about huge events like the Phoenix lights over Arizona these are
major things and I'll get into these things later on in the show in more
exclusive and in-depth treatment of it all where I come from where I hail from
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and and came into Colorado from was the Lubbock area and there you go that you
had the famous Lubbock lights I think there were a little bit before my time
just a bit but still I kind of thought and this was even back in 2014 when I've
explained that this is where I started to sort of I would say shed a bit of that
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skepticism even though I still do have a healthy skepticism and I'll define this
a little bit later and started to think well it's amazing and all these things
happened back in the 90s and early 2000s and you could sort of compartmentalize
these things as isolated events and yet there's a pattern emerging here and
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even with all the time that's passed you know 30 or something years maybe 40 or
50 if you're counting from the Lubbock lights and still a response is kind of
the same it's actually almost exactly the same you know get into that in a bit so
what we're talking about here is how are we the people that live in the cities
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or in the country affected by it all why are we not told about these things and
maybe why are we not pointing the fingers somewhere why are we not knocking on
our doors and when we do try to knock on doors who's answering
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tonight we're discussing in a bit more of an intimate way in a more
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conversational way last week we covered the facts we covered what was available
about this phenomenon this case file and yet it just kind of still leaves a bit
of an aftertaste and I want to deal with that tonight with y'all I want to talk a
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little bit more about what's available out there why this could be significant
and as I said the the this this week's episode really has more to do with my
impressions and I'd love to hear what anybody out there is also thinking about
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this and if you were out there or out here in Colorado during that time what
this might have meant to you this is right on the eve of the great epic
pandemic whatever you want to call it so it was just kind of a weird time a lot
of weird things happening just on the cusp of this what seems to me a new
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era and I just don't know how else to define it but it just things feel
different it's like a demarcation point in some kind of way so what I'd like to
do tonight is get a little bit into where the show is going and part one was a
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little bit more about how a half of an episode will really go like where we're
going into the details of things available literature and when I can find
them and interviews and things like that different perspectives this time around
there's really not that much to go around I'll try to reach out to the
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filmmaker of the documentary lights in the sky and we'll see what I hear back
and and we'll do kind of a wrap around with this but as far as the show goes
the pattern of it you can expect it will be something of a getting right into the
facts of what the story is and then this part this movement of what does it leave
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us with you know just at the experiential level and that's is where where I am
even if we're just left scratching our heads we'll be doing it together so the
show is going to be available on Apple podcasts first so I'll release usually a
few days later sometimes a week later before and then as part of the RSS feed
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as coming soon everywhere else and just expect to see anything about this on X
on SoundCloud I'll make episodes available there as well I'll stay away
from YouTube for now because I just don't like the whole Google environment
whole Dominion I'm staying away I know it's impossible to stay completely away
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but for now I just would like to be a little bit on this side of the fans of
things if later we found out there well we'll just fan out there so one of the
things that impacted me about this little story is that it's kind of like a
dot in a big line of many dots and it seems really rather random it kind of
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almost seems like a big prank if you want to look at it that way a bunch of
swarming lights hovering over the horizon just after sundown and people
just experiencing these things and wondering where is this coming from you
know they're not consistent with flights they're not an area where you probably
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would see a lot of flights they're in an area where you wouldn't expect to see
very much except the stars I think so they're very noticeable somebody would
have had to set this up and that's my biggest impression not that it would be
a classic UFO even though we so use this term kind of incorrectly because I mean
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by definition a UFO is an unidentified flying object and these were
unidentified flying objects and are still such you know the the conclusions
that will reach later of the really not even conclusions but the the surmising
of it all by the authorities is that they were who knows what they were that's
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what they're saying man-made things that were flying illegally you know you need
a permit to fly these things even even nowadays so these things are getting more
and more regulated they're expensive if they were drones and I do think that
that's what they were I'm just gonna come out and say why am I holding back
that's my impression they were a group of drones controlled by some actor
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unknown actor for an unknown reason it could be military and if it was military
it seems rather strange that they would do it over this flyover area when they
have a lot of areas that are no-fly zones that they can easily test things
out and nobody will bother them and nobody will you know they might observe
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them from a long distance but they can do as they please and that's why they
have them so it's really bizarre that nobody's coming forward and saying who
really owns this and it's a sophisticated thing to do to coordinate so
many so many of these flying objects at one place and at one time you have to
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ponder about computing power about coordination about maybe one more than
one person acting on this some might think maybe it was something like a UFO or
you know something like that but it's just not consistent based on the
observations that we have on the ground on that day they are not consistent with
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prior not only trained up observations of major I would say alien source UFOs and
UFOs that we cannot attribute to our own technological capability whatever time
now or 40 50 70 years ago but these are not like that they do seem accessible
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they're hard to they were filmed but they're hard to kind of get a hold of
and pain unfortunately the the optics were not such that they could get a very
high-grade high definition of what they really consisted of what's running them
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the engines the the flying compartments the mechanisms any of these things and
of course it was night so all the more difficult the night factor is important
it's not to be not to be dismissed somebody or something or whoever this
thing was spondled over by decided to do it at this time of the of the night why
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well maybe to have a light show and yet we didn't hear anything but nothing
was promoted you leave a lot of people a little bit in in confusion it could
cause distractions on the road even on rural roads a people drive over there
they could get into an accident so if anybody was doing this they might not
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even want to give the heads up to the state patrol or local sheriffs that
would have been nice so when you do have something like this that seems a random
out of the nowhere kind of action you kind of have the the reflex to
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compartmentalize it and that's what we do with our experiences I'm just like you
and I do that if I see something weird hear something weird you know you might
react to it you might have a knee jerk reaction you mean if it's disturbing or
long enough you know the duration is important the the significance of it is
is gauged by how much of whatever it is we experience and for how long the
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nature of it all really but otherwise we kind of just you know go our our way
and how many times have you seen the scene in a movie where someone is sort
of maybe sleeping or just at rest and they hear something breaking maybe a
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branch or a rock you know being kicked over and they they sort of are already
maybe an alert in this scene in the movie and and they get in their high
gear and they put their searchlights and then they you know or you turn on the
porch lights on and then you you wait a few moments and then that's it you run
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out of patience and then you turn everything off and you go back to bed
you withdraw you you set it aside it's almost something that's very
characteristic of our nature of our nature of almost any animal you
know you don't keep listening and you should really if you think about it if
something's out there lurking it's going to be possibly cognizant enough to hide
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its movements and if it if it sort of screwed up and might just stop wait
patiently and then move slowly again but we don't do that we don't have the the
bandwidth for that we just react to present danger and then we move on when
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there's enough of these random things though then they're not so random as
what I think then they begin to become part of what I would think is a pattern
a pattern starts to emerge and boy do we have so many random or so-called random
dots events if you could picture in your mind some kind of canvas with a
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timeline and a bunch of little dots you would see this region not just Colorado
but it happens to be where I'm hailing from and where I'm speaking to you
from but all over this southwest and mountain west region of course Midwest
east all over the place but really this is in a remote area still and and there
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are so many things that have happened since let's say let's just put a date
to it since the 30s to the present I'm not saying that's when it is it actually
probably goes way back and again we're gonna we're gonna get into this in some
of the future episodes and how far back to some of these things go could it be
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that the Native Americans have roamed this land for 30,000 years or more
witnessed aerial phenomena that just could not be explained today either could
it have influenced them it's those are big questions and we'll get into those
later it's not for the show but if you could see a timeline in let's say the
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30s or even the 1800s but let's just say the 30s say around the time we're really
recording we have we don't think we even have the radar of them because the
radar came later as an invention from the British during World War II but you
know we're still watching we have trained observers we have flight we have
balloons we have all kinds of things flying out there and yet we're starting
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to record meteorological readings we're starting to really pay attention to the
atmosphere in a different way than we had perhaps before just a different style
of measuring because we've always watched the sky humanity has it's not not an
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uncommon thing to not just look it over but really really look it over really
be in its presence really be wrapped in it and that's a different a different
experience too so many people don't get to experience a lightless sky in other
words a sky that's not disturbed by the noise of street lights and building
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lights and traffic lights and so on but really just moonlight if there's moonlight
or if it's a moonless night just the stars and nothing else and if you get to
see that in there are still quite a few places and you can find them there's
probably websites dedicated to this thing you can find some places here in
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Colorado there's a few sections I know that by Wycliffe and there's some some
small towns that you know Creston in other areas the little tucked away areas
of course very rural areas they get to have this really velvet black sky and
if you drive in the desert you know I still remember and one of the nicest
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memories of driving through the country driving with my close friends from
Vegas to I think to the to the Grand Canyon and through Arizona around
Kingman area another interesting area by the way for many reasons we'll get to
that one later but the desert sky oh my goodness the starfield quiet black it's
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you and it and nothing else so we have been watching for a long time and now in
modern times we watch in different ways we don't watch with our eyes as much
because we have different ways of measuring things and because we live
inside we're watching screens all the time and we're we're in and we've got
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lights on we've got noise that's distracting us from what's out there and
that's a pivotal point there is a reality that's out there right outside your
doorstep maybe even just a few steps from wherever you're living if you live in a
suburb and maybe there's a trail nearby and lights just there aren't any there's
just no street lights and there might be some coyote tracks there there might be
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some little strange things that you might not see or might not think exist but
they pass through a lot of things happen in that liminal stage and that liminal
space and time and we again are just trained by our habits to go inside about
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5 6 p.m. and stay inside and go to bed at 9 turn lights out and there we go and
yet we have the notion that we get to experience what it is that is out there
we don't know unless we get out there and I encourage you to do this get out
there go camping go for long walks go in the park don't stay inside life is too
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short experience just breathe see the the moon or hear a few days on the eve of
a major eclipse that unfortunately is a bit of a distance from where I am and
where that's main path is going to be which is going to be down in Texas not
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too far away you'd be maybe what how well it is kind of far away be about maybe
16 hours 13 hours drive somewhere around there east of abalone north of Austin
somewhere in that big swath land but we'll get to see a partial part of it
and that's that's an experience to have it's not just about the lore and the
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legend but actually just nature itself is mysterious enough and produces enough
to inspire us to baffle us so let me pivot back to to what we're talking about
here which is the swarm lights the vantage point is important so it's just
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that depending on your vantage point it is sometimes too difficult to ascertain
that pattern the pattern that I was talking about that seems to be emerging
this high strangeness factor you know when random is not so random when
something is just not a weird data point where it's actually something pointing
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to something completely different something peeking out and coming into
contact with us in an unexpected way whatever that is so this is how in our
search for answers confabulation conspiracy making conflation speculation
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conjecture and storytelling get woven into a reported phenomenon because we're
looking for answers our brains are geared to come up with something about
what this could possible be it's just we either put it away or we come up with
something and we want to be self-aware enough about our own limitations about
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what it is to be human to experience the world because we're not the end all be
all don't don't subscribe to that notion we're just another animal on this big
earth and we share it with everything else and our way of looking at things is
just one way of looking at things but there are many ways of looking at things
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and that leads us to go back into the fundamentals to go back to basics to go
back to asking the essential questions based on considered trained
observation what is actually out there what appeared to have been seen detected
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what is its nature what is it made of stick to the simplest perceptions the
observation itself and fan out from there so if we see something that's
consistent with the flat of birds well maybe they're birds if we see something
that's consistent with the hovering movement of these drone machines with
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just a few years ago they were still quite a bit novel now they're more out
there then maybe that's what they are and that's what we have in this situation
an observation followed by a conclusion is a conjecture so you have an
observation and you make a conclusion well congratulations you've just
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conjectured something you know something of an example of this is when we first
started observing Mars and you'll recall a little bit of the lore of Mars
astronomers looking at patterns on the surface that we could for the first time
begin to discern and they were consistent with what we could think of as
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canals or riverbeds or something man-made something like dams and something
that looked like it was worked on by somebody and there from that was born
the whole bunch of stories about Martians there that's a conjecture
observation of things that look like little lines on the surface of Mars and
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then you go to the other end and there's Martians that's a classic conjecture is
it fun of course it's fun it's fun to speculate it's fun and it's part of how
we should be thinking about things we shouldn't shy away from speculation it
is not an inferior way of thinking it's just one way of thinking but we have to
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be aware that we're doing that we have to be a way that we're playing with ideas
with information in a very specific sort of way we've got still the benefit of
empirical thinking I still ascribe to it even though I think that subjective
experience is very important I do value it and as I said in the first part of
this this Colorado Swarm Lines episodes subjectivity is more in the foreground
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now versus objectivity in terms of its value not that it one is more than the
other but when it comes to philosophers when it comes to people who think very
carefully about these things they're thinking more about how subjective
experience really does matter it matters because it exists because it's part of
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us right it's how we see things so that doesn't mean we just throw away
everything and abandon empirical process and that way of thinking if it's
missing then we're missing something fundamental too we've met we're missing
something that that we've gained through the enlightenment period and now we're
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I'll get into that and I keep saying I'll get into that but it's just we're at
the outset of this new venture and yes it's going to lead into so many things
but one of the things that we have to think about is the way that not just our
technology has changed our environment has changed our spirituality has changed
but our philosophy in our ideas in the history of our ideas and how they change
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and how it's important to look at them because they run not parallel but right
with how we perceive the world and most people are dismissive of that and we're
not going to be dismissive about that in this show we're going to include it
because the metaphysics it's part of how things are run it's part of how we
figure things out and it's an important tool but if you go back to the basics
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you go back to sci-fi science 101 not sci-fi but science one of them 101 it's
observation hypothesis creation testing analysis and potential conclusions so
deriving potential conclusions from this process and this is what we call
inductive reasoning not coming up with a binary way of thinking well it's got to
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be this or this you know that may work in some context I'm not saying no but when
the more complex and the more samples you have and the more difficult the the
testing is and the idea is then the higher the possibility that you are not
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going to get into one conclusion but you're gonna find very likely candidates
that's inductive reasoning and it's a very good way of thinking and really
leads to a whole revolution of the mind which is why we have what we have these
days we have what flying cars and such all will not yet but it's coming soon so
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normally I like to point out that I'll be diving into research selecting
outstanding esoteric books and articles and sharing these with you but in this
case there's not much out there so let's see what the literature is that is out
there with regards to the swarm lines mostly it kind of spawns from local and
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local news really those are one of a really little bit of the something from
NBC News affiliate here at its channel 9 news and what what they are reporting is
is not much more than what I shared with you on the first episode so 9 news
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contacted a list of agencies including Google Amazon Uber norad and no Noah
who have a claim the drones don't belong to them and not that great writers these
9 news guys but I do like them pretty cute reporters too anyway the confirmed
sites began with a Facebook post from the Phillips County Sheriff's Office
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that's an important thing so we've got we got this major news beginning with
on the ground observers people driving people spotting these things and then
the Sheriff's Office very responsibly there sharing through social media what
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they thought about it and all they could do is shrug and say that they
probably weren't malicious again this is from an article from 9 news was also
aired deputies and go on didn't say why they believe the drones aren't malicious
and a quote they were kind of flying in a grid out in the towns out in the county
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you'd see three or four flying in a line out in the east in the county
Washington County Sheriff John Stiver said last week
nevertheless that Stiver said the drones haven't invaded anybody's space as far
as housing that I'm aware of and ends by saying it is concerning because you know
one of the reports I had last night this is the Sheriff's still speaking was that
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the drone is way bigger than six feet it sounds like a small jet engine when
it's flying Stiver said these are not drones that people in our county can just
buy I love the way and the way it ends because it's so on the ground such an
honest rendering of what was there you know it's it's a conclusion right but
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it's still it's a scratching in the scratching of the head happening right
there in this quote these are not things that are consistent with what people
around here might just have access to and it goes on with other other articles
like inside edition did a bit of a rendition but it's gonna be mirroring
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what the Denver Post and so on other local newspapers and news media are
going to be reporting pretty much the same thing a quote from that here's from
the from inside edition I believe quoting the Denver Post which said they've
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been doing doing a grid search a grid pattern Phillips County Sheriff Thomas
Elliott said they fly one square and then they fly another square interesting
right so now we have a little bit more commentary about what kind of behavior
we're seeing from these swarm lights from these possible drones and it seems
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like they have a pattern of movement so right here is identified as such he's
passing on information we don't know we haven't tested it but it's a great lead
and one of my goals this coming weeks I've got to do some traveling actually
international bringing some stories from there to I'm going to Denmark and
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bringing some stories from from there as well but I'll head into Washington
County I'll speak to whoever will speak to me either the sheriff or whoever and
I'll go out there and I'll see and I'll bring you the stories why aren't you
bringing those the stories right now well that's how the show is going to be
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but for now I'm lean you on I'm lean you on and then I'm going to deliver because
I do deliver the little excerpt here goes a little bit more into officials from
the FAA also informed police that they have no idea who is flying the drones
because drone ponds aren't obligated to submit flight plans unless they are
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in control space the the Air Force and Army forces also confirmed they are
not responsible for the drones so we've got denials from major agencies in fact
it's one of the headlines is that 15 or 19 agencies deny any part of this you
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know there's there's just a lot of unanswered questions and there are people
that are asking aren't just regular folks there are these sheriffs and these
state patrol and local officials and all kinds of people and reporters and you
know wanting just an answer because it's concerning again I said in the beginning
what if these things had been malicious you know they've been for this well they
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don't seem malicious and they don't seem like it is because they don't seem
threatening they're just sort of a hovering thing but what if they had been
what if God forbid this had been carrying some kind of a explosive devices
or they've been a test run for kind of a terrorist attack horrible horrible
prospects and I hate to even mention it and give anybody an idea out there and
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if you are having those ideas well look into yourself and and really think what
why are you hurting humanity no go the other way go the other way but a few
articles about it they all like I said be all they'll kind of mirror a little
bit of bouncing back and forth about what they're saying what's noteworthy
about that is that it became from a local news something that's becoming
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really a national level news even the New York Times the the Revere New York
Times picked it up and I think that's it's kind of amazing because what is that
a market or a readership of it's got to be easily eight to ten million people
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right there in that area of the kind of the country so spreading easily to other
markets you've got the whole country wrapped around this for a few days or a
day or whatever our attention span can can carry
noteworthy to that we haven't heard anything about this I mean it's just the
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the last conclusions were having to do more with and I guess it's not worthy I
believe in local government to be straightforward with you I think a lot
of folks out there are perhaps rightly suspicious of of major and complicated
and ununderstandable agendas that the bigger agencies might have and they
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might be inadvertently doing a lot of good things and bad things and in
between things but their transparency is very lacking and that we can a lot of us
agree on local government functions differently local government people like
the sheriffs they've got to answer to the people they've got to be elected and
they themselves care for the people that they serve local county government is
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the same I happen to be involved in a bit of that and I know and I've seen it in
action I can tell you that if you want to make a difference or if you want to be
part of a conversation that results in change get involved get in the discussion
go for things run for things do these things you can make an impact in the
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local level at the bigger level that's a whole different ballgame and I don't
claim no I do respect our major agencies and and what they're trying to do but I
do criticize the fact that they're just not coming off to us the regular folks
as being transparent enough and being on the level the biggest thing that I
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found out there that got more in depth was by a local film producer I was
really impressed by this 2020 documentary lights in the sky by Krista
Alexander and this is about the most comprehensive diving to the subject that
you'll find out there some of the ice watched it myself even then or just
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around when it came out it must have been available on Amazon which at the
time Amazon was quite different it was just there were a lot more videos that
were available about different kinds of little documentaries and independent
makers and now it all went to freebie and ads and you know it's not good I I
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think I think there are better venues I'll share with those what those are
they don't pay me for this okay just start it out so and if they did I'd tell
you but I'll share with you what I think where you I think you could find more
interesting subjects they're streaming maybe get stream for free and to be a
stream for free and believe will freebie I guess it's where a lot of things have
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to say but there's a lot of ads and I think there's a UFO TV produces great
documentaries on not just UFOs but all kinds of phenomena and great if it just
is for you at the entertainment level perfect for a little one hour easy watch
45 minute documentary about they abound in these streaming services so I'll
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share down the road a little bit more about my impressions on those and I want
to myself be transparent where with where I find the information so that
you're not at a loss of where I'm coming up with these things and of course also
to credit the sources and the people that work hard on these things I was kind
of surprised I looked at the the reviews for Chris Alexander's documentary on
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IMDB and it was pretty divided it was it was people that really appreciated it
and others that kind of nitpicked as they will as they do some of the the
resolution on the the images that she shows about you know about swarm lights
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is not great and I think she zooms in there's a little bit of the criticism
about that because well you really can't make out much it's just
pixelated and not great definition in fact it's almost worse to zoom in on
them but that's what she had available to share and she chose to share it that
way and I commend her for it and I think the criticisms are a little bit heavy
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handed and maybe you know that maybe that's not the whole voice out there
but the reviews were a little bit bad and come on guys I mean we're talking
about you know we're in the 2020s and encouraging women producers filmmakers
actresses all these fine folks to come to the foreground where they haven't been
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before and then when they do we give them a bad rating so you know I'm not
saying give them a good range just because they're a woman but I think this
given what the material source is I think she did pretty fine it's a
paltry the the amount of of information that's out there about the subject and
the quality of the videos that's out there it's not gonna be high because
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people are shooting with their phones people are not having high resolution or
thermal cameras or you know if they did that'd be one heck of a thing and it
would be something that we would want to explain why would you have that out
there you know what would you have a $3,000 camera out there but but no we
don't have much information I couldn't find anything about any radar readings
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from that time if they were detectable or if they were followed or anything or
another thing that I thought was a little bit strange is that nobody seemed to be
alerted there was no alert system that was generated with regards or in
response rather to a mass of flying objects or nearing a major metropolitan
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area which is the Denver metro area and we're talking about they could have been
here in 15-20 minutes and caused all kinds of havoc you know we don't know so
could that have been Amazon Amazon is just about a few miles north of where I
live major I wouldn't know if it's major but it's a big hub of warehouse and all
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kinds of things and a great employer but you know they are said to have dealt
into the deliveries with with drones do I really think they had anything to do
with it I'll tell you right off the bat I don't think so I don't think a company
wants to be known for scaring people when they're trying to make money so I
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will just share with you that I don't think that has anything to do with it
Chris Alexander's Chris Alexander's movie or documentary lights in the sky
available somewhere where you can string things look it up should shed quite a bit
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more light into and yeah puns almost unintended into the subject because it's
about the the most comprehensive unless you want to go ahead and reconcile as I
did a lot of the different sources remember too that it's not just important
to see what's there and what's being described and the opinions that are
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coming forth such as from the people that experienced these things one of the
ones that happened to be driving by were really disturbed by it and they know
they thought these things you know one of the guys setting I was following this
thing with in my my vehicle for a while going at 57 miles an hour and I could not
keep up you know so it disturbed him that these things were fast enough and
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had seemed to have a concerted way of evading him or going to a certain
direction with kind of an intelligence or someone with some intelligence behind
all of it and an unknown agenda the unknown agenda factor is a huge provocation
when you do whatever it is that you do whoever it is that did it you're
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provoking a lot of people and in this case this was a rogue act no matter if
it was done by a agency from our side or from China or somewhere and that by the
way it didn't go into that and it's not completely you know unfeasible or
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unthinkable because what did what happened just recently in the last
couple of years these balloons ride these low-level flying or high-level flying
balloons you know low-tech to spy on us and that was a big debacle and so could
this have been part of that it's a question and the fact that nobody's
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owning up to but we do have you know pretty firm denials is a bit telling
can you trust the denial from an Air Force came trust a denial from these
other agencies well no I'll just say no because my impression is that they
haven't been forthright with us in the past about things that were covered
operations and due to national security claims whether they were valid or not you
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know that can't assess that but we can't trust their no we can't trust the
information that's given to us by the major sources or the major agencies that
could possibly carry out this kind of operation that's a problem for the the
layman it's a problem because we're we're sort of counted off as not needing
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an explanation as being too dull to understand or too scared or to whatever
it is put an X on it to to be significant enough to deserve an answer
but this still is a democracy this territory here is still run by well
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supposedly the democratic people and we do deserve an answer so if one is coming
we should have it and if one is known and is hidden then it should be cracked
open and we should have it even if it is a small matter because I think it's a
thread I think it's leads to many other things I think it's a node and again
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again I'll repeat myself I feel like there's a pattern there's a pattern and
we'll get to it we'll get to DIA down the road we'll get to parallel 37th or
37th parallel rather I've been there Salida all these other places Crestone
many other places strange places I'll tell you that we'll get to New Mexico and
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by get there I don't mean just I'll cover them by the news or the research I've
done but I'll actually get there again I've been there over all these years of
travels I love traveling the the southern Colorado area four corners area
Utah Arizona New Mexico I think they're magical I really do there are many
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mysteries there and it's a beautiful land rich rich with with lore and we're
gonna get into that but until then we're going to go ahead into this territory
physically I'm gonna take some field trips out there I outfitted a van over
the summer over this last summer to be able to take these trips and spend some
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time out there and connect with people so you might see me in this big old blue
van and me where my my wide brim hat my dog little husky out her her name is
Ruby and she's wonderful and we'll take these big trips and we'll see what's
out there and we'll connect with other groups and other investigative groups and
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I'll do that and start to get a grassroots thing going so that we have
information coming from somewhere and I'll be one of the suppliers I'll be one
of the investigators I've got some training behind me and I'll get into
that as well and share that with you again I do want to be transparent about
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these things because I wonder about these things I spent so much of my life
taking so many things for granted watching things just pass me by major
things I think events and only to realize later that oh I was what was I doing
then how come I wasn't aware of that and you might be listening to this and
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thinking the same thing and so if you are we're gonna change that we're gonna
start to scratch a little bit the surface and little by little unearth
something about the unfathomable as much as we can until then take good care
of yourselves get out investigate ponder about things breathe be kind to one
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another and look around look behind you look over your shoulder you might just
see something you've never seen before
Last week we delved into the Colorado Swarm Lights episode. If you recall it was
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back in 2019 when what is said to be something like a group of drones or
really floating hovering lights east of the Denver metro area and prominently
over a small rural county called Washington County. We got into the
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facts last week into the when and where of it all but this week I'd like to
share my own thoughts my impressions in a little bit about who I am and why I'm
interested in these subjects and starting this podcast and sharing it with
you. My name is Robert Cavalier and for almost a decade maybe more I've been at
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first casually looking into different esoteric subjects. I'm a writer so many
of these things interest me in a research kind of way in a detached kind of
way but as I got into it a bit more as I got into the weeds as they say I
discovered there was just much more beyond what meets the eye beyond just
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storytelling beyond just stories of interest and as I really got more
involved and more into I guess the nexus of it all it became one of those
situations where you're not expecting to discover more and more and the more you
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think you find out the more there is beyond that's an indelible element
about all of this if you're interested in this these kinds of subjects you'll
understand and recognize what I'm talking about. So as I said last week I
got into a bit of the details of it all and it's a small subject really in the
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spectrum of all the weird things that happen in this state and all over the
country, really, but it's important because it mirrors so much of the pattern
of the way that things go with these kinds of things and all the way in 2019
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and now really 2020s it's a bit strange that after all the available information
that we have over the internet, over social media, over many different ways of
assessing new data that were still baffled by simple things that just come
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out of the out of the woodworks really and in this case actually maybe
literally out of the woodworks. So if you did listen to last week's episode the
Colorado Swarm Lights were just about 16 to some say even 30 group of mysterious
lights that hovered over a rural Colorado and just east of some maybe 20-30 miles
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of where I live I think. I at that time was deep into a lot of work of my own and
very inspiring year actually and that was kind of alerted to it by what the
neighbors were talking about just out walking with my dog really and people
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talking. This is a very grassroots kind of experience where you're not finding
out through the news, through an app, through some kind of alert and there
really wasn't any alert so that's also strange, you know. We are living in an
era of major hacks and disturbing sabotage from outside of our borders
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here and yet we can be caught unawares. What if these things had been malicious
spycraft? What if these things had been launched by a hostile nation? What if
these things weren't even from our local neighborhood and really from really
out there beyond some kind of UAP as they call them nowadays. I prefer the old
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term UFOs and the unidentified flying objects which at the time that really
was the most apt way to describe them. Well you'd think that with our alert
systems, with our radar capabilities and where this all happened because it's an
interesting corner where this all happened right around I wouldn't say
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it's a triangle but you could almost say it's a triangle because the Cheyenne
Air Force area is just maybe 20-40 miles north so really nothing if you fly over
at a higher high speed driving maybe take you an hour or less depending on how
fast you drive and south of that you've got DIA in one corner you've got this
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space force, spaceport that is a bit of a strange thing to have here it's a
considered a kind of business yet somehow maybe even military involved a
project and you've got this metro area with towers and all kinds of
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things detecting activity in the air this is not a place that's you know
sparsely populated at least east of where these things happened. So getting
back to the nature of it all and really how it reflects on where I'm going with
this it was not what I would consider eye-opening but in a lot of ways it
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reminded me of things that I missed just walking about a here or I rather I heard
so much later about huge events like the Phoenix lights over Arizona these are
major things and I'll get into these things later on in the show in more
exclusive and in-depth treatment of it all where I come from where I hail from
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and and came into Colorado from was the Lubbock area and there you go that you
had the famous Lubbock lights I think there were a little bit before my time
just a bit but still I kind of thought and this was even back in 2014 when I've
explained that this is where I started to sort of I would say shed a bit of that
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skepticism even though I still do have a healthy skepticism and I'll define this
a little bit later and started to think well it's amazing and all these things
happened back in the 90s and early 2000s and you could sort of compartmentalize
these things as isolated events and yet there's a pattern emerging here and
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even with all the time that's passed you know 30 or something years maybe 40 or
50 if you're counting from the Lubbock lights and still a response is kind of
the same it's actually almost exactly the same you know get into that in a bit so
what we're talking about here is how are we the people that live in the cities
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or in the country affected by it all why are we not told about these things and
maybe why are we not pointing the fingers somewhere why are we not knocking on
our doors and when we do try to knock on doors who's answering
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tonight we're discussing in a bit more of an intimate way in a more
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conversational way last week we covered the facts we covered what was available
about this phenomenon this case file and yet it just kind of still leaves a bit
of an aftertaste and I want to deal with that tonight with y'all I want to talk a
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little bit more about what's available out there why this could be significant
and as I said the the this this week's episode really has more to do with my
impressions and I'd love to hear what anybody out there is also thinking about
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this and if you were out there or out here in Colorado during that time what
this might have meant to you this is right on the eve of the great epic
pandemic whatever you want to call it so it was just kind of a weird time a lot
of weird things happening just on the cusp of this what seems to me a new
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era and I just don't know how else to define it but it just things feel
different it's like a demarcation point in some kind of way so what I'd like to
do tonight is get a little bit into where the show is going and part one was a
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little bit more about how a half of an episode will really go like where we're
going into the details of things available literature and when I can find
them and interviews and things like that different perspectives this time around
there's really not that much to go around I'll try to reach out to the
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filmmaker of the documentary lights in the sky and we'll see what I hear back
and and we'll do kind of a wrap around with this but as far as the show goes
the pattern of it you can expect it will be something of a getting right into the
facts of what the story is and then this part this movement of what does it leave
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us with you know just at the experiential level and that's is where where I am
even if we're just left scratching our heads we'll be doing it together so the
show is going to be available on Apple podcasts first so I'll release usually a
few days later sometimes a week later before and then as part of the RSS feed
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as coming soon everywhere else and just expect to see anything about this on X
on SoundCloud I'll make episodes available there as well I'll stay away
from YouTube for now because I just don't like the whole Google environment
whole Dominion I'm staying away I know it's impossible to stay completely away
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but for now I just would like to be a little bit on this side of the fans of
things if later we found out there well we'll just fan out there so one of the
things that impacted me about this little story is that it's kind of like a
dot in a big line of many dots and it seems really rather random it kind of
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almost seems like a big prank if you want to look at it that way a bunch of
swarming lights hovering over the horizon just after sundown and people
just experiencing these things and wondering where is this coming from you
know they're not consistent with flights they're not an area where you probably
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would see a lot of flights they're in an area where you wouldn't expect to see
very much except the stars I think so they're very noticeable somebody would
have had to set this up and that's my biggest impression not that it would be
a classic UFO even though we so use this term kind of incorrectly because I mean
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by definition a UFO is an unidentified flying object and these were
unidentified flying objects and are still such you know the the conclusions
that will reach later of the really not even conclusions but the the surmising
of it all by the authorities is that they were who knows what they were that's
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what they're saying man-made things that were flying illegally you know you need
a permit to fly these things even even nowadays so these things are getting more
and more regulated they're expensive if they were drones and I do think that
that's what they were I'm just gonna come out and say why am I holding back
that's my impression they were a group of drones controlled by some actor
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unknown actor for an unknown reason it could be military and if it was military
it seems rather strange that they would do it over this flyover area when they
have a lot of areas that are no-fly zones that they can easily test things
out and nobody will bother them and nobody will you know they might observe
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them from a long distance but they can do as they please and that's why they
have them so it's really bizarre that nobody's coming forward and saying who
really owns this and it's a sophisticated thing to do to coordinate so
many so many of these flying objects at one place and at one time you have to
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ponder about computing power about coordination about maybe one more than
one person acting on this some might think maybe it was something like a UFO or
you know something like that but it's just not consistent based on the
observations that we have on the ground on that day they are not consistent with
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prior not only trained up observations of major I would say alien source UFOs and
UFOs that we cannot attribute to our own technological capability whatever time
now or 40 50 70 years ago but these are not like that they do seem accessible
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they're hard to they were filmed but they're hard to kind of get a hold of
and pain unfortunately the the optics were not such that they could get a very
high-grade high definition of what they really consisted of what's running them
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the engines the the flying compartments the mechanisms any of these things and
of course it was night so all the more difficult the night factor is important
it's not to be not to be dismissed somebody or something or whoever this
thing was spondled over by decided to do it at this time of the of the night why
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well maybe to have a light show and yet we didn't hear anything but nothing
was promoted you leave a lot of people a little bit in in confusion it could
cause distractions on the road even on rural roads a people drive over there
they could get into an accident so if anybody was doing this they might not
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even want to give the heads up to the state patrol or local sheriffs that
would have been nice so when you do have something like this that seems a random
out of the nowhere kind of action you kind of have the the reflex to
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compartmentalize it and that's what we do with our experiences I'm just like you
and I do that if I see something weird hear something weird you know you might
react to it you might have a knee jerk reaction you mean if it's disturbing or
long enough you know the duration is important the the significance of it is
is gauged by how much of whatever it is we experience and for how long the
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nature of it all really but otherwise we kind of just you know go our our way
and how many times have you seen the scene in a movie where someone is sort
of maybe sleeping or just at rest and they hear something breaking maybe a
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branch or a rock you know being kicked over and they they sort of are already
maybe an alert in this scene in the movie and and they get in their high
gear and they put their searchlights and then they you know or you turn on the
porch lights on and then you you wait a few moments and then that's it you run
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out of patience and then you turn everything off and you go back to bed
you withdraw you you set it aside it's almost something that's very
characteristic of our nature of our nature of almost any animal you
know you don't keep listening and you should really if you think about it if
something's out there lurking it's going to be possibly cognizant enough to hide
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its movements and if it if it sort of screwed up and might just stop wait
patiently and then move slowly again but we don't do that we don't have the the
bandwidth for that we just react to present danger and then we move on when
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there's enough of these random things though then they're not so random as
what I think then they begin to become part of what I would think is a pattern
a pattern starts to emerge and boy do we have so many random or so-called random
dots events if you could picture in your mind some kind of canvas with a
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timeline and a bunch of little dots you would see this region not just Colorado
but it happens to be where I'm hailing from and where I'm speaking to you
from but all over this southwest and mountain west region of course Midwest
east all over the place but really this is in a remote area still and and there
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are so many things that have happened since let's say let's just put a date
to it since the 30s to the present I'm not saying that's when it is it actually
probably goes way back and again we're gonna we're gonna get into this in some
of the future episodes and how far back to some of these things go could it be
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that the Native Americans have roamed this land for 30,000 years or more
witnessed aerial phenomena that just could not be explained today either could
it have influenced them it's those are big questions and we'll get into those
later it's not for the show but if you could see a timeline in let's say the
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30s or even the 1800s but let's just say the 30s say around the time we're really
recording we have we don't think we even have the radar of them because the
radar came later as an invention from the British during World War II but you
know we're still watching we have trained observers we have flight we have
balloons we have all kinds of things flying out there and yet we're starting
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to record meteorological readings we're starting to really pay attention to the
atmosphere in a different way than we had perhaps before just a different style
of measuring because we've always watched the sky humanity has it's not not an
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uncommon thing to not just look it over but really really look it over really
be in its presence really be wrapped in it and that's a different a different
experience too so many people don't get to experience a lightless sky in other
words a sky that's not disturbed by the noise of street lights and building
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lights and traffic lights and so on but really just moonlight if there's moonlight
or if it's a moonless night just the stars and nothing else and if you get to
see that in there are still quite a few places and you can find them there's
probably websites dedicated to this thing you can find some places here in
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Colorado there's a few sections I know that by Wycliffe and there's some some
small towns that you know Creston in other areas the little tucked away areas
of course very rural areas they get to have this really velvet black sky and
if you drive in the desert you know I still remember and one of the nicest
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memories of driving through the country driving with my close friends from
Vegas to I think to the to the Grand Canyon and through Arizona around
Kingman area another interesting area by the way for many reasons we'll get to
that one later but the desert sky oh my goodness the starfield quiet black it's
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you and it and nothing else so we have been watching for a long time and now in
modern times we watch in different ways we don't watch with our eyes as much
because we have different ways of measuring things and because we live
inside we're watching screens all the time and we're we're in and we've got
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lights on we've got noise that's distracting us from what's out there and
that's a pivotal point there is a reality that's out there right outside your
doorstep maybe even just a few steps from wherever you're living if you live in a
suburb and maybe there's a trail nearby and lights just there aren't any there's
just no street lights and there might be some coyote tracks there there might be
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some little strange things that you might not see or might not think exist but
they pass through a lot of things happen in that liminal stage and that liminal
space and time and we again are just trained by our habits to go inside about
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5 6 p.m. and stay inside and go to bed at 9 turn lights out and there we go and
yet we have the notion that we get to experience what it is that is out there
we don't know unless we get out there and I encourage you to do this get out
there go camping go for long walks go in the park don't stay inside life is too
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short experience just breathe see the the moon or hear a few days on the eve of
a major eclipse that unfortunately is a bit of a distance from where I am and
where that's main path is going to be which is going to be down in Texas not
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too far away you'd be maybe what how well it is kind of far away be about maybe
16 hours 13 hours drive somewhere around there east of abalone north of Austin
somewhere in that big swath land but we'll get to see a partial part of it
and that's that's an experience to have it's not just about the lore and the
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legend but actually just nature itself is mysterious enough and produces enough
to inspire us to baffle us so let me pivot back to to what we're talking about
here which is the swarm lights the vantage point is important so it's just
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that depending on your vantage point it is sometimes too difficult to ascertain
that pattern the pattern that I was talking about that seems to be emerging
this high strangeness factor you know when random is not so random when
something is just not a weird data point where it's actually something pointing
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to something completely different something peeking out and coming into
contact with us in an unexpected way whatever that is so this is how in our
search for answers confabulation conspiracy making conflation speculation
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conjecture and storytelling get woven into a reported phenomenon because we're
looking for answers our brains are geared to come up with something about
what this could possible be it's just we either put it away or we come up with
something and we want to be self-aware enough about our own limitations about
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what it is to be human to experience the world because we're not the end all be
all don't don't subscribe to that notion we're just another animal on this big
earth and we share it with everything else and our way of looking at things is
just one way of looking at things but there are many ways of looking at things
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and that leads us to go back into the fundamentals to go back to basics to go
back to asking the essential questions based on considered trained
observation what is actually out there what appeared to have been seen detected
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what is its nature what is it made of stick to the simplest perceptions the
observation itself and fan out from there so if we see something that's
consistent with the flat of birds well maybe they're birds if we see something
that's consistent with the hovering movement of these drone machines with
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just a few years ago they were still quite a bit novel now they're more out
there then maybe that's what they are and that's what we have in this situation
an observation followed by a conclusion is a conjecture so you have an
observation and you make a conclusion well congratulations you've just
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conjectured something you know something of an example of this is when we first
started observing Mars and you'll recall a little bit of the lore of Mars
astronomers looking at patterns on the surface that we could for the first time
begin to discern and they were consistent with what we could think of as
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canals or riverbeds or something man-made something like dams and something
that looked like it was worked on by somebody and there from that was born
the whole bunch of stories about Martians there that's a conjecture
observation of things that look like little lines on the surface of Mars and
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then you go to the other end and there's Martians that's a classic conjecture is
it fun of course it's fun it's fun to speculate it's fun and it's part of how
we should be thinking about things we shouldn't shy away from speculation it
is not an inferior way of thinking it's just one way of thinking but we have to
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be aware that we're doing that we have to be a way that we're playing with ideas
with information in a very specific sort of way we've got still the benefit of
empirical thinking I still ascribe to it even though I think that subjective
experience is very important I do value it and as I said in the first part of
this this Colorado Swarm Lines episodes subjectivity is more in the foreground
(30:23):
now versus objectivity in terms of its value not that it one is more than the
other but when it comes to philosophers when it comes to people who think very
carefully about these things they're thinking more about how subjective
experience really does matter it matters because it exists because it's part of
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us right it's how we see things so that doesn't mean we just throw away
everything and abandon empirical process and that way of thinking if it's
missing then we're missing something fundamental too we've met we're missing
something that that we've gained through the enlightenment period and now we're
(31:09):
I'll get into that and I keep saying I'll get into that but it's just we're at
the outset of this new venture and yes it's going to lead into so many things
but one of the things that we have to think about is the way that not just our
technology has changed our environment has changed our spirituality has changed
but our philosophy in our ideas in the history of our ideas and how they change
(31:35):
and how it's important to look at them because they run not parallel but right
with how we perceive the world and most people are dismissive of that and we're
not going to be dismissive about that in this show we're going to include it
because the metaphysics it's part of how things are run it's part of how we
figure things out and it's an important tool but if you go back to the basics
(32:00):
you go back to sci-fi science 101 not sci-fi but science one of them 101 it's
observation hypothesis creation testing analysis and potential conclusions so
deriving potential conclusions from this process and this is what we call
inductive reasoning not coming up with a binary way of thinking well it's got to
(32:24):
be this or this you know that may work in some context I'm not saying no but when
the more complex and the more samples you have and the more difficult the the
testing is and the idea is then the higher the possibility that you are not
(32:45):
going to get into one conclusion but you're gonna find very likely candidates
that's inductive reasoning and it's a very good way of thinking and really
leads to a whole revolution of the mind which is why we have what we have these
days we have what flying cars and such all will not yet but it's coming soon so
(33:07):
normally I like to point out that I'll be diving into research selecting
outstanding esoteric books and articles and sharing these with you but in this
case there's not much out there so let's see what the literature is that is out
there with regards to the swarm lines mostly it kind of spawns from local and
(33:38):
local news really those are one of a really little bit of the something from
NBC News affiliate here at its channel 9 news and what what they are reporting is
is not much more than what I shared with you on the first episode so 9 news
(34:02):
contacted a list of agencies including Google Amazon Uber norad and no Noah
who have a claim the drones don't belong to them and not that great writers these
9 news guys but I do like them pretty cute reporters too anyway the confirmed
sites began with a Facebook post from the Phillips County Sheriff's Office
(34:24):
that's an important thing so we've got we got this major news beginning with
on the ground observers people driving people spotting these things and then
the Sheriff's Office very responsibly there sharing through social media what
(34:45):
they thought about it and all they could do is shrug and say that they
probably weren't malicious again this is from an article from 9 news was also
aired deputies and go on didn't say why they believe the drones aren't malicious
and a quote they were kind of flying in a grid out in the towns out in the county
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you'd see three or four flying in a line out in the east in the county
Washington County Sheriff John Stiver said last week
nevertheless that Stiver said the drones haven't invaded anybody's space as far
as housing that I'm aware of and ends by saying it is concerning because you know
one of the reports I had last night this is the Sheriff's still speaking was that
(35:33):
the drone is way bigger than six feet it sounds like a small jet engine when
it's flying Stiver said these are not drones that people in our county can just
buy I love the way and the way it ends because it's so on the ground such an
honest rendering of what was there you know it's it's a conclusion right but
(36:01):
it's still it's a scratching in the scratching of the head happening right
there in this quote these are not things that are consistent with what people
around here might just have access to and it goes on with other other articles
like inside edition did a bit of a rendition but it's gonna be mirroring
(36:21):
what the Denver Post and so on other local newspapers and news media are
going to be reporting pretty much the same thing a quote from that here's from
the from inside edition I believe quoting the Denver Post which said they've
(36:42):
been doing doing a grid search a grid pattern Phillips County Sheriff Thomas
Elliott said they fly one square and then they fly another square interesting
right so now we have a little bit more commentary about what kind of behavior
we're seeing from these swarm lights from these possible drones and it seems
(37:05):
like they have a pattern of movement so right here is identified as such he's
passing on information we don't know we haven't tested it but it's a great lead
and one of my goals this coming weeks I've got to do some traveling actually
international bringing some stories from there to I'm going to Denmark and
(37:29):
bringing some stories from from there as well but I'll head into Washington
County I'll speak to whoever will speak to me either the sheriff or whoever and
I'll go out there and I'll see and I'll bring you the stories why aren't you
bringing those the stories right now well that's how the show is going to be
(37:53):
but for now I'm lean you on I'm lean you on and then I'm going to deliver because
I do deliver the little excerpt here goes a little bit more into officials from
the FAA also informed police that they have no idea who is flying the drones
because drone ponds aren't obligated to submit flight plans unless they are
(38:13):
in control space the the Air Force and Army forces also confirmed they are
not responsible for the drones so we've got denials from major agencies in fact
it's one of the headlines is that 15 or 19 agencies deny any part of this you
(38:34):
know there's there's just a lot of unanswered questions and there are people
that are asking aren't just regular folks there are these sheriffs and these
state patrol and local officials and all kinds of people and reporters and you
know wanting just an answer because it's concerning again I said in the beginning
what if these things had been malicious you know they've been for this well they
(38:56):
don't seem malicious and they don't seem like it is because they don't seem
threatening they're just sort of a hovering thing but what if they had been
what if God forbid this had been carrying some kind of a explosive devices
or they've been a test run for kind of a terrorist attack horrible horrible
prospects and I hate to even mention it and give anybody an idea out there and
(39:20):
if you are having those ideas well look into yourself and and really think what
why are you hurting humanity no go the other way go the other way but a few
articles about it they all like I said be all they'll kind of mirror a little
bit of bouncing back and forth about what they're saying what's noteworthy
about that is that it became from a local news something that's becoming
(39:47):
really a national level news even the New York Times the the Revere New York
Times picked it up and I think that's it's kind of amazing because what is that
a market or a readership of it's got to be easily eight to ten million people
(40:11):
right there in that area of the kind of the country so spreading easily to other
markets you've got the whole country wrapped around this for a few days or a
day or whatever our attention span can can carry
noteworthy to that we haven't heard anything about this I mean it's just the
(40:36):
the last conclusions were having to do more with and I guess it's not worthy I
believe in local government to be straightforward with you I think a lot
of folks out there are perhaps rightly suspicious of of major and complicated
and ununderstandable agendas that the bigger agencies might have and they
(41:02):
might be inadvertently doing a lot of good things and bad things and in
between things but their transparency is very lacking and that we can a lot of us
agree on local government functions differently local government people like
the sheriffs they've got to answer to the people they've got to be elected and
they themselves care for the people that they serve local county government is
(41:29):
the same I happen to be involved in a bit of that and I know and I've seen it in
action I can tell you that if you want to make a difference or if you want to be
part of a conversation that results in change get involved get in the discussion
go for things run for things do these things you can make an impact in the
(41:49):
local level at the bigger level that's a whole different ballgame and I don't
claim no I do respect our major agencies and and what they're trying to do but I
do criticize the fact that they're just not coming off to us the regular folks
as being transparent enough and being on the level the biggest thing that I
(42:13):
found out there that got more in depth was by a local film producer I was
really impressed by this 2020 documentary lights in the sky by Krista
Alexander and this is about the most comprehensive diving to the subject that
you'll find out there some of the ice watched it myself even then or just
(42:37):
around when it came out it must have been available on Amazon which at the
time Amazon was quite different it was just there were a lot more videos that
were available about different kinds of little documentaries and independent
makers and now it all went to freebie and ads and you know it's not good I I
(43:00):
think I think there are better venues I'll share with those what those are
they don't pay me for this okay just start it out so and if they did I'd tell
you but I'll share with you what I think where you I think you could find more
interesting subjects they're streaming maybe get stream for free and to be a
stream for free and believe will freebie I guess it's where a lot of things have
(43:26):
to say but there's a lot of ads and I think there's a UFO TV produces great
documentaries on not just UFOs but all kinds of phenomena and great if it just
is for you at the entertainment level perfect for a little one hour easy watch
45 minute documentary about they abound in these streaming services so I'll
(43:52):
share down the road a little bit more about my impressions on those and I want
to myself be transparent where with where I find the information so that
you're not at a loss of where I'm coming up with these things and of course also
to credit the sources and the people that work hard on these things I was kind
of surprised I looked at the the reviews for Chris Alexander's documentary on
(44:19):
IMDB and it was pretty divided it was it was people that really appreciated it
and others that kind of nitpicked as they will as they do some of the the
resolution on the the images that she shows about you know about swarm lights
(44:42):
is not great and I think she zooms in there's a little bit of the criticism
about that because well you really can't make out much it's just
pixelated and not great definition in fact it's almost worse to zoom in on
them but that's what she had available to share and she chose to share it that
way and I commend her for it and I think the criticisms are a little bit heavy
(45:07):
handed and maybe you know that maybe that's not the whole voice out there
but the reviews were a little bit bad and come on guys I mean we're talking
about you know we're in the 2020s and encouraging women producers filmmakers
actresses all these fine folks to come to the foreground where they haven't been
(45:29):
before and then when they do we give them a bad rating so you know I'm not
saying give them a good range just because they're a woman but I think this
given what the material source is I think she did pretty fine it's a
paltry the the amount of of information that's out there about the subject and
the quality of the videos that's out there it's not gonna be high because
(45:54):
people are shooting with their phones people are not having high resolution or
thermal cameras or you know if they did that'd be one heck of a thing and it
would be something that we would want to explain why would you have that out
there you know what would you have a $3,000 camera out there but but no we
don't have much information I couldn't find anything about any radar readings
(46:18):
from that time if they were detectable or if they were followed or anything or
another thing that I thought was a little bit strange is that nobody seemed to be
alerted there was no alert system that was generated with regards or in
response rather to a mass of flying objects or nearing a major metropolitan
(46:44):
area which is the Denver metro area and we're talking about they could have been
here in 15-20 minutes and caused all kinds of havoc you know we don't know so
could that have been Amazon Amazon is just about a few miles north of where I
live major I wouldn't know if it's major but it's a big hub of warehouse and all
(47:04):
kinds of things and a great employer but you know they are said to have dealt
into the deliveries with with drones do I really think they had anything to do
with it I'll tell you right off the bat I don't think so I don't think a company
wants to be known for scaring people when they're trying to make money so I
(47:26):
will just share with you that I don't think that has anything to do with it
Chris Alexander's Chris Alexander's movie or documentary lights in the sky
available somewhere where you can string things look it up should shed quite a bit
(47:49):
more light into and yeah puns almost unintended into the subject because it's
about the the most comprehensive unless you want to go ahead and reconcile as I
did a lot of the different sources remember too that it's not just important
to see what's there and what's being described and the opinions that are
(48:12):
coming forth such as from the people that experienced these things one of the
ones that happened to be driving by were really disturbed by it and they know
they thought these things you know one of the guys setting I was following this
thing with in my my vehicle for a while going at 57 miles an hour and I could not
keep up you know so it disturbed him that these things were fast enough and
(48:37):
had seemed to have a concerted way of evading him or going to a certain
direction with kind of an intelligence or someone with some intelligence behind
all of it and an unknown agenda the unknown agenda factor is a huge provocation
when you do whatever it is that you do whoever it is that did it you're
(49:00):
provoking a lot of people and in this case this was a rogue act no matter if
it was done by a agency from our side or from China or somewhere and that by the
way it didn't go into that and it's not completely you know unfeasible or
(49:23):
unthinkable because what did what happened just recently in the last
couple of years these balloons ride these low-level flying or high-level flying
balloons you know low-tech to spy on us and that was a big debacle and so could
this have been part of that it's a question and the fact that nobody's
(49:46):
owning up to but we do have you know pretty firm denials is a bit telling
can you trust the denial from an Air Force came trust a denial from these
other agencies well no I'll just say no because my impression is that they
haven't been forthright with us in the past about things that were covered
operations and due to national security claims whether they were valid or not you
(50:11):
know that can't assess that but we can't trust their no we can't trust the
information that's given to us by the major sources or the major agencies that
could possibly carry out this kind of operation that's a problem for the the
layman it's a problem because we're we're sort of counted off as not needing
(50:33):
an explanation as being too dull to understand or too scared or to whatever
it is put an X on it to to be significant enough to deserve an answer
but this still is a democracy this territory here is still run by well
(50:54):
supposedly the democratic people and we do deserve an answer so if one is coming
we should have it and if one is known and is hidden then it should be cracked
open and we should have it even if it is a small matter because I think it's a
thread I think it's leads to many other things I think it's a node and again
(51:15):
again I'll repeat myself I feel like there's a pattern there's a pattern and
we'll get to it we'll get to DIA down the road we'll get to parallel 37th or
37th parallel rather I've been there Salida all these other places Crestone
many other places strange places I'll tell you that we'll get to New Mexico and
(51:40):
by get there I don't mean just I'll cover them by the news or the research I've
done but I'll actually get there again I've been there over all these years of
travels I love traveling the the southern Colorado area four corners area
Utah Arizona New Mexico I think they're magical I really do there are many
(52:07):
mysteries there and it's a beautiful land rich rich with with lore and we're
gonna get into that but until then we're going to go ahead into this territory
physically I'm gonna take some field trips out there I outfitted a van over
the summer over this last summer to be able to take these trips and spend some
(52:32):
time out there and connect with people so you might see me in this big old blue
van and me where my my wide brim hat my dog little husky out her her name is
Ruby and she's wonderful and we'll take these big trips and we'll see what's
out there and we'll connect with other groups and other investigative groups and
(52:54):
I'll do that and start to get a grassroots thing going so that we have
information coming from somewhere and I'll be one of the suppliers I'll be one
of the investigators I've got some training behind me and I'll get into
that as well and share that with you again I do want to be transparent about
(53:15):
these things because I wonder about these things I spent so much of my life
taking so many things for granted watching things just pass me by major
things I think events and only to realize later that oh I was what was I doing
then how come I wasn't aware of that and you might be listening to this and
(53:35):
thinking the same thing and so if you are we're gonna change that we're gonna
start to scratch a little bit the surface and little by little unearth
something about the unfathomable as much as we can until then take good care
of yourselves get out investigate ponder about things breathe be kind to one
(54:01):
another and look around look behind you look over your shoulder you might just
see something you've never seen before
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