January 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Unlock the secrets to becoming a master of time management in the barbering world, where every second translates to enhanced productivity and increased earnings. Join us as we share personal stories from our journey through barber school and the bustling shop environment, revealing how you can streamline your workflow without sacrificing quality. Discover practical tips for organizing your workstation for maximum efficiency, tackling the challenges of new regulations, and ensuring that each tool serves its purpose effortlessly. This episode is your guide to optimizing your time behind the chair, turning those minutes into money.
Ever found yourself overwhelmed by a packed appointment schedule? We’ve been there, and we're sharing our strategies for effective scheduling and client management to create a more relaxed and enjoyable experience for both you and your clients. Learn how incorporating buffer time between appointments can transform your day, leading to more meaningful interactions and a stress-free atmosphere. We also touch on the importance of starting your day early and balancing work with personal passions, including this podcast, which remains close to our hearts. Plus, we offer insights into managing daily routines and setting boundaries for restful evenings, ensuring you face each day refreshed and ready.
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Bree (00:04):
Welcome back to Philosophy of the Barber.
Hello Cassy, hello hello.
So today we are going todiscuss time management.
I know on the surface thatsounds super boring, but it's
also extremely important inbusiness and life.
Cassy (00:20):
Yeah, especially in this profession.
Bree (00:22):
Mm-hmm.
I mean we can just start rightoff the bat with the we'll say
the obvious schedule timemanagement Mm-hmm, like the
ability to do haircuts in a timeframe.
Cassy (00:37):
Mm-hmm.
Bree (00:37):
Especially if you're running an appointment system.
Cassy (00:41):
Yeah, I remember that's one of the things you like work
on in school is being able toget your haircut times down.
What did you have like acertain time frame you had to be
in, or they they kind ofexpected you to be in when you
were in school?
Bree (00:54):
uh to start off with.
Uh, you had like an hour towork and then they would come
over and finish up, and thenthey would come over and finish
up, but depending on what phaseyou were in your education,
because they cycle in a coupleof students every month.
(01:16):
That wasn't the case when I wasthere, but that's what they do
now, so you have a steady streamof people in different levels.
But they also had timers.
Oh really, oh yeah.
So once they were starting tocrack down on, like all right
you got to.
You know, work on your time, setthe timer.
Cassy (01:33):
Yeah, they, they recommended that to us.
They're like if you, if youwant to really work on it, do
this.
It wasn't a mandatory thing, soit wasn't a mandatory thing.
So I used to to try and get mytimes down, especially with like
foiling and stuff like that.
Bree (01:47):
Well, I would say that, yeah, that definitely needs
practice, god, because doingthat Roller sets Doing that
efficiently.
Cassy (01:54):
Mm-hmm.
Bree (01:55):
I only ever did the roller set that was required for the
state board.
Oh really, yeah, we never hadto do a whole head.
I mean they would go over thedifferent patterns, but I've
done so many perms, yeah, likeon actual human people I had
somebody asked me if I wouldgive them a perm, like recently
I was like I am morally opposedto that.
I don't want to ever put thoseharsh chemicals on a person.
(02:19):
Yeah, like I could strip metalwith those things yeah, it's
rough.
Rough on the hair, likebleaches is is one thing as
risque as I get.
Cassy (02:30):
Yeah, but I remember when transitioning to a shop since
my shop had a like trainingbasis I kind of got given super
good leeway for a little bit tobe able to work on my time
management.
But in theory, since it was inthat environment to like make
(02:50):
money and like you, reallyyou're more incentivized there
um, I made sure to get my timesdown quickly.
I made sure to really stayworking on that and being able
to get down to like 45 minutehaircuts at that time one.
Bree (03:08):
Obviously, when I went through, walk-ins were the
standard, so even more incentiveto be on your time.
Oh yeah because it's just allright next one next one, next
one so the faster you cut, themore money you would make,
because the line is there, yep.
But they would even break itdown to the level of how to set
(03:31):
up your station to be the mostefficient possible.
So they always refer to it asour sacred area.
So, thinking on the haircutprocedures that we would be
(04:01):
applying to haircuts, and where,as a right or left, and what's
that going to be?
And that way you're notreaching across the station or
walking all the way back aroundthe chair and being efficient
with your time in that manner.
As well as efficient with yourtools.
To exhaust the tool before youput it down.
That way you don't have to pickit back up again.
Cassy (04:17):
See, it's funny because we were never really shown that
directly in any way.
And now I'm just sitting herelike thinking to myself like
what my station looks like rightnow, and I'm like, is there
like where I'm now trying tothink of, like if there's
possibility for improvement inwhere my things are positioned?
And I think I need to do someorganizing at my station.
Bree (04:38):
I like those details.
Yeah, it's like my favoritepart.
Cassy (04:40):
Well, no, and it makes sense, it makes sense favorite
part well, no, and it makessense.
Bree (04:46):
It makes sense because I I do a lot of walking back and
forth, well, and I mean, that'skind of how I set up every
barber shop I've ever owned.
It's like there's a reason whyeverything is where it is.
Yeah, which is?
Which is why, if I have to usesomebody else's station, I'm
like crap, where's the trash?
Can?
Cassy (05:01):
it definitely throws me off, because I'm so used to a
tailored area yeah, well, andalso it was a shift for me
having to have our tools cancompletely contained yes, and
I'm sure a lot of people feelthe same way, since the
enforcement of that yeah rule uhaltered because, like before it
(05:21):
was all in just the center, solike it was just it was always
convenient.
Bree (05:25):
Yeah, on your mat or on their charters, no matter what
side you're on.
It was convenient even then,though, even for that, we set it
up to be like all right, thisone is right here.
Cassy (05:36):
Yes, yes, and, and that was more.
I had things almost set up inlike the timely fashion they
were going to present themselvesin.
Bree (05:44):
Well, and even my box is set up like that.
It's like detachable bladeclipper is on the far left
because I'm a lefty so that's mystrong side.
That's where I'm always going tostart, and then the next one,
if most especially well, anyclipper, haircut is going to be
the trimmer and then after thatthe adjustable.
So that's the sequence.
My tools are in in my box andeven when we had to establish
(06:09):
the closed container situation,I immediately was like okay, I
have this box now.
Now I need to figure out howI'm going to make sure where to
put the tools once they'vestarted to be used, so they're
dirty yeah, and where to putthem.
So that keep the box clean,those types of things.
So I had to totally reevaluatemy station to get back to the
(06:30):
most efficient with this newcontainer whereas I don't have
the container, I have my drawers, because mine's more of a dread
.
Well, yours is also dresserstyle but mine's a lot older so
I don't want to open the drawersas much yeah, yours is smooth.
Cassy (06:47):
Yeah, I have to be gentle in the clothes sometimes.
You don't want to slam it?
Yeah, well, especially becausemy all my drawers at home are
self-close so they closethemselves gently.
Fancy the ones that don't,though, really throw me off,
like Like the bathroom.
I always slam the bathroom door.
Well, because the top onesticks but the bottom one
(07:07):
doesn't.
So the bottom one I alwaysaccidentally slam, whoops.
Bree (07:13):
Oh, that's what those little sticky stopper things are
for.
Yeah, yeah, now, as far as dothey teach you techniques in
school?
For well, we've gone overbefore that.
They teach you some likeshortcuts, ways to get to the
destination of whatever yourhaircut is.
That way you can pick up yourspeed a little faster.
Cassy (07:33):
Yeah, and they do mention little brief things about like
more for, like the color side ofthings and like placing your
tools and like, especially oncewe had these new stations that
had zero shit like counter space, so we had to be really
meticulous with what was comingout, um, but it was more so what
(07:56):
we just gravitated to and likewhat worked for us, versus like
showing being shown a morepractical route.
Bree (08:07):
I think my school definitely does more of a I mean
it's a phase thing, it's likeall right.
Well, because their philosophyis slow is smooth, smooth is
fast.
So you start by being slow yeahand then we'll get.
We'll get to smooth and thenthen you'll be able to pick up
speed once you're smooth.
Uh, so once you get to acertain part in hours of your
(08:33):
program, then they'll start likeimpressing upon you the
importance of time becauseyou've displayed enough of the
skill level.
It's like all right, you can dothis now.
Now you need to learn to do itfaster, yeah, yeah, yeah, build
that muscle memory, mm-hmm.
Especially because their goal,like their goal for you, is to
(08:54):
do good haircuts in a timelymanner.
Yeah, like that means that outthe door you'll be rocking
haircuts, being able to performin a shop, mm-hmm.
Means that out the door you'llbe rocking haircuts, being able
to perform in a shop, and thenyou can push yourself or be
grown by a shop environment todo great haircuts quickly.
Yeah, because with the, thethree things that everybody
(09:17):
wants they want it fast, theywant it cheap and they want
quality all right, well, if youwant to elevate, to get to the
high quality and high speed,that means you'll be able to
make more money.
Yep, because it ain't going tobe cheap if you're doing those
two things.
Cassy (09:33):
I will say I'm definitely grateful that I came into this
career post walk-in days,because my time management was a
little rocky at first and Ifeel like I I obviously would
have, probably I would have madeit through it regardless, but I
feel like that would have beenan even added stress to
(09:55):
everything sometimes it'sdefinitely a trial by fire sort
of a thing, depending on theshop environment you find
yourself in yeah, becausethere's also the sitting around
and not, you know, having anyclients.
Bree (10:09):
End of the walk-in culture .
Cassy (10:12):
It's very real culture.
Bree (10:13):
I feel like it's better for the young barber and that's
a great way to learn things andto battle, test yourself, yeah,
with those stressors.
So it's like all all right, youlearn that you can handle those
things because you'revoluntarily faced with them.
Whereas, having gone throughthat and also have done
(10:34):
appointments, I know that Ipersonally am best suited for an
appointment, one-on-onesituation.
You know, having anxiety that Ihave as it relates to others,
like I don't want to be a fishin a fishbowl.
I don't want a bunch of peoplestaring at me while I'm doing my
job.
Yeah, have I done that?
Yes, is it my favorite?
(10:55):
No, without having both ofthose experiences, I wouldn't
know that for a fact yeah,that's very fair.
Cassy (11:03):
I've been able to assume that for myself, since I don't
appreciate.
Well, I get anxious when mynext client shows up early and I
think I'm running behind.
Bree (11:18):
Might have done that so much this week.
Cassy (11:21):
I've got some of them to the point where they now warn me
, like when they come in.
They're like yeah, sorry, I'mearly.
Like they like give me a headsup Because they see me.
Look at them.
I'm just like am I late?
Am I?
Did I talk too much?
Bree (11:34):
Well, see, my mouth just is faster than them, and I will
point out, like you're early?
Cassy (11:46):
Oh no, because I don't know.
I don't have my schedulememorized like you do to know
exactly the times that thesepeople are supposed to be coming
in.
So, like, even if I looked atmy watch, if it's anywhere near
a 10-minute mark, I'm like am Ilate?
Did I talk?
Again?
I wonder if I talked too long,because sometimes that's where
my time management gets awayfrom me sometimes, depending on
(12:10):
the client.
Do you have a clock?
Bree (12:12):
on your station, no, in your shop.
Okay, I have what three, four?
Cassy (12:17):
I know we've discussed yep, yep, I know I need a clock.
You want to borrow Cogsworth?
Oh my god, that would be agreat addition to the rugged
side.
Bree (12:27):
I mean.
All the compliments go to theNixie Tooth clock.
Cassy (12:30):
Yes, yes, do you ever feel like you've struggled with
time management?
Bree (12:35):
I know you as a pretty prompt person, so I'm yeah, so
the earliest of the birds raised, uh that you know that whole 15
minutes early if you're ifyou're earlier on time, if
you're on time, you're late.
If you're late, you're left,kind of a thing.
Yeah, so that's been drilledinto me since infancy.
When I stress about my timemanagement is usually when I'm
(12:58):
doing a shave, because I'm sofocused on providing the highest
quality of that service.
My priority is the quality ofthat service.
Cassy (13:08):
Yeah.
Bree (13:09):
Above all else.
Whereas in any other servicethat I provide, I'm balancing
quality and time, I don't dothat with a shave.
Yeah, the shave is going to bethe most fantastic experience
that you ever have in my chair,If I have anything to say about
it.
So that's the only time I'mlike, which is why I don't like
having both of my haircut andshave guys.
(13:31):
uh, back to back typically liketoday, uh, like this week, yeah,
yeah, but I did that and I Idid that consciously this week,
going you know what?
I can't?
I can't have them.
It's, it's fine, I can do thatbecause I shaved them so often
yeah, I'm like I know your face,I know how long it takes like
I'm not concerned aboutoverlapping, and especially if
(13:51):
they're abutting my lunch, it'slike if we run into my lunch a
little bit, it's not a big deal.
But when they show up early,that's just that one of them has
learned to not show up earlyand he will.
He will sit in his car and I'mlike I mean, you don't need to
do that, but I appreciate it andhe knows that because he's
(14:11):
about as neurotic as I am.
So I appreciate the uh empathythere.
But the other one, who's alwaysthe first shave of the two,
he'll come in like 20 minutesearly.
Oh yeah, I'm like well, too badtoday I can't start you 20
minutes early.
No, like you're used to.
So so sometimes my fantastictime management spoils people
(14:34):
when I am running on time,because every other time that
they've come in early, I'm readyfor them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, becauseI like giving a little bit of
buffer.
That's why my appointmentschedule is the way it is.
It's like all right, I givemyself 40 minutes, even though I
know I can get it done in 30 orhowever long it takes.
I like having that buffer incase something needs to be
(14:57):
changed, or in case I need toclean something, in case I need
to pee, like those things yeah Ilike having the wiggle room.
Oh yeah, and some people couldbe like but you know, if you got
rid of that extra wiggle roomtime and you add it up at the
end of the day, you could fittwo more haircuts into your
schedule.
Cassy (15:12):
Yeah, but I don't want to be stressed the whole day yeah,
and I like I don't know wherethe conversation is going to go.
I don't know what the person isgoing to want to talk about
that day and sometimes I likebeing able to shut my clipper
off for a couple seconds andhave a conversation with them.
You know what I mean and thathaving that wiggle room allows
me to be able to do that If andplus I can't do everyone in a
(15:38):
guaranteed 30 minutes.
You know what I mean.
So if I were to do that andshift like that, if I end up
with back to back to back toback to back bookings of 30
minute haircuts, somebody'sgoing to show up five minutes
late and mush the whole day andthe next.
You know I'm anxious because Iput myself in that situation for
(15:58):
some extra money.
Yep, my mental health is worththe extra 30 to $60.
I might make honestly Same,like even just having, because I
can be chatty sometimes and geta little carried away.
I'm doing better, I'm gettingbetter, but, like I know, I've
(16:19):
learned which clients I end updoing that with and I plan
accordingly.
I won't remove the block timeand bump it down to 30 minutes
like I do with some of my guys,because I know it doesn't take
the whole time, like there areones that I make adjustments to
because I've learned how it iswith them.
But like this Saturday, I'm 85%sure at some point in my day
(16:42):
I'll run behind, don't you haveall skin fades, correct All skin
fades, and four or five of thesix Ah, that's a lie, I was
surprised you took All but one.
I've seen numerous occasionsand I'm all very chatty with
Like we both of us havesomething to always talk about
(17:06):
the whole day.
Every one of those clients islike that.
Bree (17:08):
I was surprised you took the walk-in skin fade today when
you only had 30 minutes, and 26at that when he finally got
caped technically, I only did itbecause today was so slow and I
knew that paul wouldn't mind.
Cassy (17:21):
I knew that paul would be okay with if I ran over and he
said low, which I shouldn't evenhave.
My brain was like, oh, you cando it faster.
And then, as soon as I put myhand, I was like, no, oh, you
can do it faster.
And then as soon as I put myhand, I was like no, you can't.
Bree (17:34):
You hate these ones.
As soon as I heard low, I waslike you hate these?
Cassy (17:39):
and well, on the plus side, we didn't cut much of the
top, so that was cool.
I just had to texturize it, butit was the best.
It was the best haircut he'shad in a long time and he'll
definitely be back.
He now has a barber in laconia,so worth it.
Nice and definitely a nice tip,and paul wasn't mad.
Bree (18:00):
I don't think I've ever seen paul man.
Cassy (18:02):
I don't think you know that's not the function of his.
I don't believe it's not asetting.
I bet you, when he does, though, he turns bright red.
Oh for sure you know what Imean.
Just like that real cherry bombexplosion, kind yeah all right,
let's see the.
Bree (18:15):
Let's talk about time management as it relates to the
day, like the full day, not justthe business day, but the full
day, because you and I arepsychos is how early we get up
in the morning to be superproductive before we come to
work you.
that way, we don't have to beproductive at all after work you
(18:36):
with the exception of thislovely pastime, which obviously
my time management when it comesto editing these episodes kind
of sucks, but you know what?
This is really low on thepriority list.
This is something we do for fun.
We're not looking to make moneyon this.
I mean, if you want to give usmoney, you can.
Cassy (18:53):
Feel free.
I waver in time management inmy personal life.
I'm not consistent with myself.
I think something's going totake a certain amount of time.
I overestimate how good I amand then I do something and it
takes way longer than that.
So, honestly, I feel likethat's why, when I started going
(19:19):
to the gym in the mornings, I Ithink that's why it crept
earlier and earlier is because Iwas running out of time to try
and do the things that I wantedto do in the morning.
And so now I do get up at 3.30in the morning to be able to be
as lackadaisical with my time asI want and either do things or
not do things, or spend 45minutes on a project that I
(19:42):
thought was going to take 15,you know you also spend so much
time at the gym.
Bree (19:46):
I do.
Cassy (19:48):
And then I also get distracted by Willis.
Well, sure, he's adorable, Likeif the music's on.
I take dance breaks with him.
I don't realize that some ofthese dance breaks take like 10
minutes.
So next thing you know so muchtime has gone by.
I'm like, oh, my god, what haveI done with myself?
Bree (20:04):
I'm like, oh, played with the dog I am very mindful and
when it comes to those types ofmorning you know, pockets of
time, and that's why I'm someticulous about memorizing my
day's schedule is so that I canadjust my morning routine in its
(20:26):
rigidity, based on because,like this morning, my 8 am had
to cancel.
He couldn't make it.
He thought it was 8 am the daybefore he showed up.
I was like sorry, dude, you're24 hours early, uh.
But so I didn't have my firstone this morning and knowing
that I could be a little morechill and lackadaisical and give
Harvey some more attention, andyou know, talk to Mike before
(20:47):
he goes off to the office andlike have that chill time, or
like scroll on my phone for fiveor ten minutes before I get a
headache, and it works out, andI'm still doing what I need to
do.
I still got the laundry thismorning, I still came here,
brought the dog, all that goodstuff.
But when I'm like, oh, I havean 8 am, which means I want to
(21:09):
be here by 7 30 at the latest,yeah, that way the towels get in
, have some time to at leastlukewarm up.
Uh, I have time to read.
Yeah, priorities.
Yeah, this is what I want to doin the morning.
So I need to make sure that Iget into the shower at a certain
point.
I'm up at 4 and I make sure toget into the workout room by
(21:36):
4.30, 4.45 at the latest, do my45 minute workout and then do my
45 minute walk outside and thencome back, hop in the shower.
Like my whole morning routineis like bing, bang, boom with
you know, harvey, and all ofthat stuff.
So it's like all right, cool,and that also works into the
sharing a bathroom with somebodyelse yeah and having to mesh
(21:58):
with their schedule.
So I have to be detail orientedin order for all those working
parts to work together.
All the ebbs and flows, yeah Iwill say my morning.
Cassy (22:15):
My like time deadlines shift each day depending on when
exactly I make it to the gym,and then I start setting a time
like like a time goal in my head, almost like that I want to be
showered and making breakfast byx, x time you know what I mean
and then I'll I shift it thatway.
(22:37):
Sometimes I stick to it.
Sometimes the distractionthat's how I know that way more
time has left is because I doset these little mini goals and
then I'm like wait, where didthe other 20 minutes go?
What happened?
What was I doing?
God forbid if Willis has totake like multiple poops in the
(22:58):
morning.
It's been 20 minutes outsideJust wandering around the
backyard.
Okay, 20 minutes is anexaggeration, but still.
Bree (23:07):
That's why Harvey is on such a strict schedule.
There are no surprises.
I can't.
Cassy (23:15):
He gets his bowels from his mother.
What can I say?
My time management pretty muchgoes out the window after hours.
Well, there's nothing left tomanage after work after that,
because I've I've attempted todo all the things that I was
going to do that day in themorning time, and so that's it.
Bree (23:35):
Yeah, aside from podcast nights when we have to, you know
, make sure we get our pizza,yeah, and start the recording
within a reasonable time frame.
You know, after that we're good.
Life's filled with distractions, as long as I get home in time
to go to bed at 9 o'clock.
Cassy (23:52):
Oh dude See.
What happens to me, though, ispodcast nights is my brain still
thinks it can get that samewind down time as other nights.
And so usually I can't sleepgood podcast nights.
Usually I'm up late.
Oh it, just I, no matter howmuch, I know I'm gonna get in
bed.
I'm not even gonna turn on thetv when I get home.
That's my problem you gotta doyour spanish though is I, I
(24:14):
still think I can get that tvlounge time, and I cannot.
I cannot because the show I'mwatching right now is an hour
long, so it's not I'm almostdone with the last season.
Bree (24:30):
You still haven't watched the third season of Richardson,
have you nope?
Cassy (24:32):
I'm holding on to it cause I like it.
Bree (24:35):
I don't wanna know yet okay, I guess that'll be the
same comparison as the slice ofpizza that felt betrayed because
you saved it for last.
Cassy (24:45):
Well, because I'm usually not like a re-watcher of things
, like, once I watch it, that'sprobably it.
Okay, I occasionally willcircle back to things, but
usually never TV shows.
Bree (24:55):
We do need to give the listeners because I'm probably
going to keep this into theepisode for context the
listeners because I'm probablygoing to keep this into the
episode.
Good for context is that thethe pizza reference that I just
made.
Oh, has to do with theconversation that was had
pre-recording this podcast andwe were discussing that we
should really start recordingabout 20 minutes before we start
(25:16):
the episode so that we can makebloopers, because some of the
conversations we have rightbefore this, as a just a warm-up
, wild, ridiculous.
Cassy (25:25):
Worth it.
Bree (25:26):
SpongeBob references, all the things, all the things
Probably more entertaining thanthis entire subject matter.
Cassy (25:35):
Than time management.
Bree (25:37):
But not useful At all, uh-uh.
Cassy (25:40):
No, maybe for a dopamine hit.
Well, yeah, no, maybe for adopamine hit.
Bree (25:45):
Well, yeah, we're always good for a dopamine hit.
Aside from going to bed on time, that's my only like evening
time management.
Cassy (25:52):
Yeah.
Bree (25:53):
And always making sure to pee before I go to bed.
Cassy (25:55):
Like it's important Always even if I pee before I
take Willis out to get to bed,I'll like go and like lay in bed
for a minute and then, likebefore I actually like try to go
to sleep, I get back up and gopee again and then like go to
sleep.
Bree (26:14):
We're not going to get into your bladder history.
I just thought of it and I waslike, nope, nope, we're not
going to get in depth on that,it's complicated.
But yeah, basically I turn offthe TV, go to the restroom, then
I go to bed.
That's the routine.
Yeah, I'm not even turning theTV on tonight, and usually
(26:35):
that's while Mike is takingHarvey out for the last time of
the night.
Cassy (26:42):
It's funny.
I'm telling myself that I'm notgonna to turn the TV on, but
then I just remembered that,technically, the episode that
I'm watching of Orange is theNew Black.
Right now there's only like 26minutes left in it.
Bree (26:50):
You stopped it in the middle.
Cassy (26:51):
Well, yeah, I was on my lunch break.
Oh Yep, I got sucked into it.
When I was eating lunch, the TVturned on.
I don't know what happened,willis, yeah.
Bree (27:03):
Willis happened.
Cassy (27:04):
He wanted to watch it.
Uh-huh, he was excited to seewhat was going to happen next.
I feel like sometimes for me,because of some self-inflicted
traumas from past relationshipsand friendships, I, on my days
off, have to remind myself,unless I have something
(27:25):
scheduled like a, a birthday orbaby shower or something to
actually do, I have to almostlike remind myself that I don't
have to manage my time on mydays off, that like if I'm
having a lackadaisical day andjust kind of going with the flow
and not really making plans formyself, I almost have to like
actively not stress out aboutwhat time it is and like what
I'm doing.
Bree (27:45):
Or not doing.
Cassy (27:46):
Yeah or not.
Doing that's usually where thestress comes is like you're not
doing something, Not doingsomething.
Bree (27:50):
But I mean that's also inherent in being female.
Cassy (27:55):
And, realistically, even my not doing something is doing
something Like I'm usuallycrafting.
At least Right, there's acrochet hook in my hand.
Bree (28:05):
At the very least, my hands are busy well, and even
not growing up a reader, butbeing a reader now I've I view
reading as an activity versus Iused to be like you're not doing
anything.
Cassy (28:21):
You're just sitting there , yeah.
Bree (28:25):
I'm working out my brain, I'm exercising my eyeballs.
Cassy (28:29):
Yeah, you especially.
Bree (28:30):
That's another thing.
When it comes to timemanagement is like all right.
Being a self-employed businessowner, yeah, you have control
over your schedule.
But if you want to make timefor extracurriculars like being
active in your community,whether it's nonprofits or city
boards or state boards um, likemaking time for that while still
(28:51):
having a life, yeah, and timefor your family, all that kind
of stuff it's amazing how muchmore time you find you have when
you're not going down rabbitholes on your device it's wild
like look at your screen time,people.
That's how many hours in the dayyou could be doing other things
(29:13):
.
I think it was one of the bestthings I did in a long time was
turn my phone black and whitehonestly I would.
Cassy (29:19):
I was gonna try to see, see how to do that on mine.
That's the thing I like itaccessibility.
Bree (29:28):
I figured any more time management nuggets.
I don't mind a shorter episodenow and then, so that's fine.
Alright, you guys.
Have a wonderful night.
We'll see you all next weekmaybe.
Have a good night.
Welcome back to Philosophy of the Barber.
Hello Cassy, hello hello.
So today we are going todiscuss time management.
I know on the surface thatsounds super boring, but it's
also extremely important inbusiness and life.
Cassy (00:20):
Yeah, especially in this profession.
Bree (00:22):
Mm-hmm.
I mean we can just start rightoff the bat with the we'll say
the obvious schedule timemanagement Mm-hmm, like the
ability to do haircuts in a timeframe.
Cassy (00:37):
Mm-hmm.
Bree (00:37):
Especially if you're running an appointment system.
Cassy (00:41):
Yeah, I remember that's one of the things you like work
on in school is being able toget your haircut times down.
What did you have like acertain time frame you had to be
in, or they they kind ofexpected you to be in when you
were in school?
Bree (00:54):
uh to start off with.
Uh, you had like an hour towork and then they would come
over and finish up, and thenthey would come over and finish
up, but depending on what phaseyou were in your education,
because they cycle in a coupleof students every month.
(01:16):
That wasn't the case when I wasthere, but that's what they do
now, so you have a steady streamof people in different levels.
But they also had timers.
Oh really, oh yeah.
So once they were starting tocrack down on, like all right
you got to.
You know, work on your time, setthe timer.
Cassy (01:33):
Yeah, they, they recommended that to us.
They're like if you, if youwant to really work on it, do
this.
It wasn't a mandatory thing, soit wasn't a mandatory thing.
So I used to to try and get mytimes down, especially with like
foiling and stuff like that.
Bree (01:47):
Well, I would say that, yeah, that definitely needs
practice, god, because doingthat Roller sets Doing that
efficiently.
Cassy (01:54):
Mm-hmm.
Bree (01:55):
I only ever did the roller set that was required for the
state board.
Oh really, yeah, we never hadto do a whole head.
I mean they would go over thedifferent patterns, but I've
done so many perms, yeah, likeon actual human people I had
somebody asked me if I wouldgive them a perm, like recently
I was like I am morally opposedto that.
I don't want to ever put thoseharsh chemicals on a person.
(02:19):
Yeah, like I could strip metalwith those things yeah, it's
rough.
Rough on the hair, likebleaches is is one thing as
risque as I get.
Cassy (02:30):
Yeah, but I remember when transitioning to a shop since
my shop had a like trainingbasis I kind of got given super
good leeway for a little bit tobe able to work on my time
management.
But in theory, since it was inthat environment to like make
(02:50):
money and like you, reallyyou're more incentivized there
um, I made sure to get my timesdown quickly.
I made sure to really stayworking on that and being able
to get down to like 45 minutehaircuts at that time one.
Bree (03:08):
Obviously, when I went through, walk-ins were the
standard, so even more incentiveto be on your time.
Oh yeah because it's just allright next one next one, next
one so the faster you cut, themore money you would make,
because the line is there, yep.
But they would even break itdown to the level of how to set
(03:31):
up your station to be the mostefficient possible.
So they always refer to it asour sacred area.
So, thinking on the haircutprocedures that we would be
(04:01):
applying to haircuts, and where,as a right or left, and what's
that going to be?
And that way you're notreaching across the station or
walking all the way back aroundthe chair and being efficient
with your time in that manner.
As well as efficient with yourtools.
To exhaust the tool before youput it down.
That way you don't have to pickit back up again.
Cassy (04:17):
See, it's funny because we were never really shown that
directly in any way.
And now I'm just sitting herelike thinking to myself like
what my station looks like rightnow, and I'm like, is there
like where I'm now trying tothink of, like if there's
possibility for improvement inwhere my things are positioned?
And I think I need to do someorganizing at my station.
Bree (04:38):
I like those details.
Yeah, it's like my favoritepart.
Cassy (04:40):
Well, no, and it makes sense, it makes sense favorite
part well, no, and it makessense.
Bree (04:46):
It makes sense because I I do a lot of walking back and
forth, well, and I mean, that'skind of how I set up every
barber shop I've ever owned.
It's like there's a reason whyeverything is where it is.
Yeah, which is?
Which is why, if I have to usesomebody else's station, I'm
like crap, where's the trash?
Can?
Cassy (05:01):
it definitely throws me off, because I'm so used to a
tailored area yeah, well, andalso it was a shift for me
having to have our tools cancompletely contained yes, and
I'm sure a lot of people feelthe same way, since the
enforcement of that yeah rule uhaltered because, like before it
(05:21):
was all in just the center, solike it was just it was always
convenient.
Bree (05:25):
Yeah, on your mat or on their charters, no matter what
side you're on.
It was convenient even then,though, even for that, we set it
up to be like all right, thisone is right here.
Cassy (05:36):
Yes, yes, and, and that was more.
I had things almost set up inlike the timely fashion they
were going to present themselvesin.
Bree (05:44):
Well, and even my box is set up like that.
It's like detachable bladeclipper is on the far left
because I'm a lefty so that's mystrong side.
That's where I'm always going tostart, and then the next one,
if most especially well, anyclipper, haircut is going to be
the trimmer and then after thatthe adjustable.
So that's the sequence.
My tools are in in my box andeven when we had to establish
(06:09):
the closed container situation,I immediately was like okay, I
have this box now.
Now I need to figure out howI'm going to make sure where to
put the tools once they'vestarted to be used, so they're
dirty yeah, and where to putthem.
So that keep the box clean,those types of things.
So I had to totally reevaluatemy station to get back to the
(06:30):
most efficient with this newcontainer whereas I don't have
the container, I have my drawers, because mine's more of a dread
.
Well, yours is also dresserstyle but mine's a lot older so
I don't want to open the drawersas much yeah, yours is smooth.
Cassy (06:47):
Yeah, I have to be gentle in the clothes sometimes.
You don't want to slam it?
Yeah, well, especially becausemy all my drawers at home are
self-close so they closethemselves gently.
Fancy the ones that don't,though, really throw me off,
like Like the bathroom.
I always slam the bathroom door.
Well, because the top onesticks but the bottom one
(07:07):
doesn't.
So the bottom one I alwaysaccidentally slam, whoops.
Bree (07:13):
Oh, that's what those little sticky stopper things are
for.
Yeah, yeah, now, as far as dothey teach you techniques in
school?
For well, we've gone overbefore that.
They teach you some likeshortcuts, ways to get to the
destination of whatever yourhaircut is.
That way you can pick up yourspeed a little faster.
Cassy (07:33):
Yeah, and they do mention little brief things about like
more for, like the color side ofthings and like placing your
tools and like, especially oncewe had these new stations that
had zero shit like counter space, so we had to be really
meticulous with what was comingout, um, but it was more so what
(07:56):
we just gravitated to and likewhat worked for us, versus like
showing being shown a morepractical route.
Bree (08:07):
I think my school definitely does more of a I mean
it's a phase thing, it's likeall right.
Well, because their philosophyis slow is smooth, smooth is
fast.
So you start by being slow yeahand then we'll get.
We'll get to smooth and thenthen you'll be able to pick up
speed once you're smooth.
Uh, so once you get to acertain part in hours of your
(08:33):
program, then they'll start likeimpressing upon you the
importance of time becauseyou've displayed enough of the
skill level.
It's like all right, you can dothis now.
Now you need to learn to do itfaster, yeah, yeah, yeah, build
that muscle memory, mm-hmm.
Especially because their goal,like their goal for you, is to
(08:54):
do good haircuts in a timelymanner.
Yeah, like that means that outthe door you'll be rocking
haircuts, being able to performin a shop, mm-hmm.
Means that out the door you'llbe rocking haircuts, being able
to perform in a shop, and thenyou can push yourself or be
grown by a shop environment todo great haircuts quickly.
Yeah, because with the, thethree things that everybody
(09:17):
wants they want it fast, theywant it cheap and they want
quality all right, well, if youwant to elevate, to get to the
high quality and high speed,that means you'll be able to
make more money.
Yep, because it ain't going tobe cheap if you're doing those
two things.
Cassy (09:33):
I will say I'm definitely grateful that I came into this
career post walk-in days,because my time management was a
little rocky at first and Ifeel like I I obviously would
have, probably I would have madeit through it regardless, but I
feel like that would have beenan even added stress to
(09:55):
everything sometimes it'sdefinitely a trial by fire sort
of a thing, depending on theshop environment you find
yourself in yeah, becausethere's also the sitting around
and not, you know, having anyclients.
Bree (10:09):
End of the walk-in culture .
Cassy (10:12):
It's very real culture.
Bree (10:13):
I feel like it's better for the young barber and that's
a great way to learn things andto battle, test yourself, yeah,
with those stressors.
So it's like all all right, youlearn that you can handle those
things because you'revoluntarily faced with them.
Whereas, having gone throughthat and also have done
(10:34):
appointments, I know that Ipersonally am best suited for an
appointment, one-on-onesituation.
You know, having anxiety that Ihave as it relates to others,
like I don't want to be a fishin a fishbowl.
I don't want a bunch of peoplestaring at me while I'm doing my
job.
Yeah, have I done that?
Yes, is it my favorite?
(10:55):
No, without having both ofthose experiences, I wouldn't
know that for a fact yeah,that's very fair.
Cassy (11:03):
I've been able to assume that for myself, since I don't
appreciate.
Well, I get anxious when mynext client shows up early and I
think I'm running behind.
Bree (11:18):
Might have done that so much this week.
Cassy (11:21):
I've got some of them to the point where they now warn me
, like when they come in.
They're like yeah, sorry, I'mearly.
Like they like give me a headsup Because they see me.
Look at them.
I'm just like am I late?
Am I?
Did I talk too much?
Bree (11:34):
Well, see, my mouth just is faster than them, and I will
point out, like you're early?
Cassy (11:46):
Oh no, because I don't know.
I don't have my schedulememorized like you do to know
exactly the times that thesepeople are supposed to be coming
in.
So, like, even if I looked atmy watch, if it's anywhere near
a 10-minute mark, I'm like am Ilate?
Did I talk?
Again?
I wonder if I talked too long,because sometimes that's where
my time management gets awayfrom me sometimes, depending on
(12:10):
the client.
Do you have a clock?
Bree (12:12):
on your station, no, in your shop.
Okay, I have what three, four?
Cassy (12:17):
I know we've discussed yep, yep, I know I need a clock.
You want to borrow Cogsworth?
Oh my god, that would be agreat addition to the rugged
side.
Bree (12:27):
I mean.
All the compliments go to theNixie Tooth clock.
Cassy (12:30):
Yes, yes, do you ever feel like you've struggled with
time management?
Bree (12:35):
I know you as a pretty prompt person, so I'm yeah, so
the earliest of the birds raised, uh that you know that whole 15
minutes early if you're ifyou're earlier on time, if
you're on time, you're late.
If you're late, you're left,kind of a thing.
Yeah, so that's been drilledinto me since infancy.
When I stress about my timemanagement is usually when I'm
(12:58):
doing a shave, because I'm sofocused on providing the highest
quality of that service.
My priority is the quality ofthat service.
Cassy (13:08):
Yeah.
Bree (13:09):
Above all else.
Whereas in any other servicethat I provide, I'm balancing
quality and time, I don't dothat with a shave.
Yeah, the shave is going to bethe most fantastic experience
that you ever have in my chair,If I have anything to say about
it.
So that's the only time I'mlike, which is why I don't like
having both of my haircut andshave guys.
(13:31):
uh, back to back typically liketoday, uh, like this week, yeah,
yeah, but I did that and I Idid that consciously this week,
going you know what?
I can't?
I can't have them.
It's, it's fine, I can do thatbecause I shaved them so often
yeah, I'm like I know your face,I know how long it takes like
I'm not concerned aboutoverlapping, and especially if
(13:51):
they're abutting my lunch, it'slike if we run into my lunch a
little bit, it's not a big deal.
But when they show up early,that's just that one of them has
learned to not show up earlyand he will.
He will sit in his car and I'mlike I mean, you don't need to
do that, but I appreciate it andhe knows that because he's
(14:11):
about as neurotic as I am.
So I appreciate the uh empathythere.
But the other one, who's alwaysthe first shave of the two,
he'll come in like 20 minutesearly.
Oh yeah, I'm like well, too badtoday I can't start you 20
minutes early.
No, like you're used to.
So so sometimes my fantastictime management spoils people
(14:34):
when I am running on time,because every other time that
they've come in early, I'm readyfor them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, becauseI like giving a little bit of
buffer.
That's why my appointmentschedule is the way it is.
It's like all right, I givemyself 40 minutes, even though I
know I can get it done in 30 orhowever long it takes.
I like having that buffer incase something needs to be
(14:57):
changed, or in case I need toclean something, in case I need
to pee, like those things yeah Ilike having the wiggle room.
Oh yeah, and some people couldbe like but you know, if you got
rid of that extra wiggle roomtime and you add it up at the
end of the day, you could fittwo more haircuts into your
schedule.
Cassy (15:12):
Yeah, but I don't want to be stressed the whole day yeah,
and I like I don't know wherethe conversation is going to go.
I don't know what the person isgoing to want to talk about
that day and sometimes I likebeing able to shut my clipper
off for a couple seconds andhave a conversation with them.
You know what I mean and thathaving that wiggle room allows
me to be able to do that If andplus I can't do everyone in a
(15:38):
guaranteed 30 minutes.
You know what I mean.
So if I were to do that andshift like that, if I end up
with back to back to back toback to back bookings of 30
minute haircuts, somebody'sgoing to show up five minutes
late and mush the whole day andthe next.
You know I'm anxious because Iput myself in that situation for
(15:58):
some extra money.
Yep, my mental health is worththe extra 30 to $60.
I might make honestly Same,like even just having, because I
can be chatty sometimes and geta little carried away.
I'm doing better, I'm gettingbetter, but, like I know, I've
(16:19):
learned which clients I end updoing that with and I plan
accordingly.
I won't remove the block timeand bump it down to 30 minutes
like I do with some of my guys,because I know it doesn't take
the whole time, like there areones that I make adjustments to
because I've learned how it iswith them.
But like this Saturday, I'm 85%sure at some point in my day
(16:42):
I'll run behind, don't you haveall skin fades, correct All skin
fades, and four or five of thesix Ah, that's a lie, I was
surprised you took All but one.
I've seen numerous occasionsand I'm all very chatty with
Like we both of us havesomething to always talk about
(17:06):
the whole day.
Every one of those clients islike that.
Bree (17:08):
I was surprised you took the walk-in skin fade today when
you only had 30 minutes, and 26at that when he finally got
caped technically, I only did itbecause today was so slow and I
knew that paul wouldn't mind.
Cassy (17:21):
I knew that paul would be okay with if I ran over and he
said low, which I shouldn't evenhave.
My brain was like, oh, you cando it faster.
And then, as soon as I put myhand, I was like, no, oh, you
can do it faster.
And then as soon as I put myhand, I was like no, you can't.
Bree (17:34):
You hate these ones.
As soon as I heard low, I waslike you hate these?
Cassy (17:39):
and well, on the plus side, we didn't cut much of the
top, so that was cool.
I just had to texturize it, butit was the best.
It was the best haircut he'shad in a long time and he'll
definitely be back.
He now has a barber in laconia,so worth it.
Nice and definitely a nice tip,and paul wasn't mad.
Bree (18:00):
I don't think I've ever seen paul man.
Cassy (18:02):
I don't think you know that's not the function of his.
I don't believe it's not asetting.
I bet you, when he does, though, he turns bright red.
Oh for sure you know what Imean.
Just like that real cherry bombexplosion, kind yeah all right,
let's see the.
Bree (18:15):
Let's talk about time management as it relates to the
day, like the full day, not justthe business day, but the full
day, because you and I arepsychos is how early we get up
in the morning to be superproductive before we come to
work you.
that way, we don't have to beproductive at all after work you
(18:36):
with the exception of thislovely pastime, which obviously
my time management when it comesto editing these episodes kind
of sucks, but you know what?
This is really low on thepriority list.
This is something we do for fun.
We're not looking to make moneyon this.
I mean, if you want to give usmoney, you can.
Cassy (18:53):
Feel free.
I waver in time management inmy personal life.
I'm not consistent with myself.
I think something's going totake a certain amount of time.
I overestimate how good I amand then I do something and it
takes way longer than that.
So, honestly, I feel likethat's why, when I started going
(19:19):
to the gym in the mornings, I Ithink that's why it crept
earlier and earlier is because Iwas running out of time to try
and do the things that I wantedto do in the morning.
And so now I do get up at 3.30in the morning to be able to be
as lackadaisical with my time asI want and either do things or
not do things, or spend 45minutes on a project that I
(19:42):
thought was going to take 15,you know you also spend so much
time at the gym.
Bree (19:46):
I do.
Cassy (19:48):
And then I also get distracted by Willis.
Well, sure, he's adorable, Likeif the music's on.
I take dance breaks with him.
I don't realize that some ofthese dance breaks take like 10
minutes.
So next thing you know so muchtime has gone by.
I'm like, oh, my god, what haveI done with myself?
Bree (20:04):
I'm like, oh, played with the dog I am very mindful and
when it comes to those types ofmorning you know, pockets of
time, and that's why I'm someticulous about memorizing my
day's schedule is so that I canadjust my morning routine in its
(20:26):
rigidity, based on because,like this morning, my 8 am had
to cancel.
He couldn't make it.
He thought it was 8 am the daybefore he showed up.
I was like sorry, dude, you're24 hours early, uh.
But so I didn't have my firstone this morning and knowing
that I could be a little morechill and lackadaisical and give
Harvey some more attention, andyou know, talk to Mike before
(20:47):
he goes off to the office andlike have that chill time, or
like scroll on my phone for fiveor ten minutes before I get a
headache, and it works out, andI'm still doing what I need to
do.
I still got the laundry thismorning, I still came here,
brought the dog, all that goodstuff.
But when I'm like, oh, I havean 8 am, which means I want to
(21:09):
be here by 7 30 at the latest,yeah, that way the towels get in
, have some time to at leastlukewarm up.
Uh, I have time to read.
Yeah, priorities.
Yeah, this is what I want to doin the morning.
So I need to make sure that Iget into the shower at a certain
point.
I'm up at 4 and I make sure toget into the workout room by
(21:36):
4.30, 4.45 at the latest, do my45 minute workout and then do my
45 minute walk outside and thencome back, hop in the shower.
Like my whole morning routineis like bing, bang, boom with
you know, harvey, and all ofthat stuff.
So it's like all right, cool,and that also works into the
sharing a bathroom with somebodyelse yeah and having to mesh
(21:58):
with their schedule.
So I have to be detail orientedin order for all those working
parts to work together.
All the ebbs and flows, yeah Iwill say my morning.
Cassy (22:15):
My like time deadlines shift each day depending on when
exactly I make it to the gym,and then I start setting a time
like like a time goal in my head, almost like that I want to be
showered and making breakfast byx, x time you know what I mean
and then I'll I shift it thatway.
(22:37):
Sometimes I stick to it.
Sometimes the distractionthat's how I know that way more
time has left is because I doset these little mini goals and
then I'm like wait, where didthe other 20 minutes go?
What happened?
What was I doing?
God forbid if Willis has totake like multiple poops in the
(22:58):
morning.
It's been 20 minutes outsideJust wandering around the
backyard.
Okay, 20 minutes is anexaggeration, but still.
Bree (23:07):
That's why Harvey is on such a strict schedule.
There are no surprises.
I can't.
Cassy (23:15):
He gets his bowels from his mother.
What can I say?
My time management pretty muchgoes out the window after hours.
Well, there's nothing left tomanage after work after that,
because I've I've attempted todo all the things that I was
going to do that day in themorning time, and so that's it.
Bree (23:35):
Yeah, aside from podcast nights when we have to, you know
, make sure we get our pizza,yeah, and start the recording
within a reasonable time frame.
You know, after that we're good.
Life's filled with distractions, as long as I get home in time
to go to bed at 9 o'clock.
Cassy (23:52):
Oh dude See.
What happens to me, though, ispodcast nights is my brain still
thinks it can get that samewind down time as other nights.
And so usually I can't sleepgood podcast nights.
Usually I'm up late.
Oh it, just I, no matter howmuch, I know I'm gonna get in
bed.
I'm not even gonna turn on thetv when I get home.
That's my problem you gotta doyour spanish though is I, I
(24:14):
still think I can get that tvlounge time, and I cannot.
I cannot because the show I'mwatching right now is an hour
long, so it's not I'm almostdone with the last season.
Bree (24:30):
You still haven't watched the third season of Richardson,
have you nope?
Cassy (24:32):
I'm holding on to it cause I like it.
Bree (24:35):
I don't wanna know yet okay, I guess that'll be the
same comparison as the slice ofpizza that felt betrayed because
you saved it for last.
Cassy (24:45):
Well, because I'm usually not like a re-watcher of things
, like, once I watch it, that'sprobably it.
Okay, I occasionally willcircle back to things, but
usually never TV shows.
Bree (24:55):
We do need to give the listeners because I'm probably
going to keep this into theepisode for context the
listeners because I'm probablygoing to keep this into the
episode.
Good for context is that thethe pizza reference that I just
made.
Oh, has to do with theconversation that was had
pre-recording this podcast andwe were discussing that we
should really start recordingabout 20 minutes before we start
(25:16):
the episode so that we can makebloopers, because some of the
conversations we have rightbefore this, as a just a warm-up
, wild, ridiculous.
Cassy (25:25):
Worth it.
Bree (25:26):
SpongeBob references, all the things, all the things
Probably more entertaining thanthis entire subject matter.
Cassy (25:35):
Than time management.
Bree (25:37):
But not useful At all, uh-uh.
Cassy (25:40):
No, maybe for a dopamine hit.
Well, yeah, no, maybe for adopamine hit.
Bree (25:45):
Well, yeah, we're always good for a dopamine hit.
Aside from going to bed on time, that's my only like evening
time management.
Cassy (25:52):
Yeah.
Bree (25:53):
And always making sure to pee before I go to bed.
Cassy (25:55):
Like it's important Always even if I pee before I
take Willis out to get to bed,I'll like go and like lay in bed
for a minute and then, likebefore I actually like try to go
to sleep, I get back up and gopee again and then like go to
sleep.
Bree (26:14):
We're not going to get into your bladder history.
I just thought of it and I waslike, nope, nope, we're not
going to get in depth on that,it's complicated.
But yeah, basically I turn offthe TV, go to the restroom, then
I go to bed.
That's the routine.
Yeah, I'm not even turning theTV on tonight, and usually
(26:35):
that's while Mike is takingHarvey out for the last time of
the night.
Cassy (26:42):
It's funny.
I'm telling myself that I'm notgonna to turn the TV on, but
then I just remembered that,technically, the episode that
I'm watching of Orange is theNew Black.
Right now there's only like 26minutes left in it.
Bree (26:50):
You stopped it in the middle.
Cassy (26:51):
Well, yeah, I was on my lunch break.
Oh Yep, I got sucked into it.
When I was eating lunch, the TVturned on.
I don't know what happened,willis, yeah.
Bree (27:03):
Willis happened.
Cassy (27:04):
He wanted to watch it.
Uh-huh, he was excited to seewhat was going to happen next.
I feel like sometimes for me,because of some self-inflicted
traumas from past relationshipsand friendships, I, on my days
off, have to remind myself,unless I have something
(27:25):
scheduled like a, a birthday orbaby shower or something to
actually do, I have to almostlike remind myself that I don't
have to manage my time on mydays off, that like if I'm
having a lackadaisical day andjust kind of going with the flow
and not really making plans formyself, I almost have to like
actively not stress out aboutwhat time it is and like what
I'm doing.
Bree (27:45):
Or not doing.
Cassy (27:46):
Yeah or not.
Doing that's usually where thestress comes is like you're not
doing something, Not doingsomething.
Bree (27:50):
But I mean that's also inherent in being female.
Cassy (27:55):
And, realistically, even my not doing something is doing
something Like I'm usuallycrafting.
At least Right, there's acrochet hook in my hand.
Bree (28:05):
At the very least, my hands are busy well, and even
not growing up a reader, butbeing a reader now I've I view
reading as an activity versus Iused to be like you're not doing
anything.
Cassy (28:21):
You're just sitting there , yeah.
Bree (28:25):
I'm working out my brain, I'm exercising my eyeballs.
Cassy (28:29):
Yeah, you especially.
Bree (28:30):
That's another thing.
When it comes to timemanagement is like all right.
Being a self-employed businessowner, yeah, you have control
over your schedule.
But if you want to make timefor extracurriculars like being
active in your community,whether it's nonprofits or city
boards or state boards um, likemaking time for that while still
(28:51):
having a life, yeah, and timefor your family, all that kind
of stuff it's amazing how muchmore time you find you have when
you're not going down rabbitholes on your device it's wild
like look at your screen time,people.
That's how many hours in the dayyou could be doing other things
(29:13):
.
I think it was one of the bestthings I did in a long time was
turn my phone black and whitehonestly I would.
Cassy (29:19):
I was gonna try to see, see how to do that on mine.
That's the thing I like itaccessibility.
Bree (29:28):
I figured any more time management nuggets.
I don't mind a shorter episodenow and then, so that's fine.
Alright, you guys.
Have a wonderful night.
We'll see you all next weekmaybe.
Have a good night.
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