Get ready for an inside look at the world of online scams—and the cutting-edge technology fighting back. In this episode of The PhraSEOlogy + AI Show, host Filipe Santos sits down with legendary scambaiter Kitboga, known for outsmarting scammers using creativity, humor, and now, a powerful AI toolkit. Kitboga shares stories from his nearly eight years of undercover work, discusses the rise in increasingly sophisticated and aggressive scams, and reveals how AI-powered bots are turning the tables on call centers around the globe.
You’ll hear the wild and sometimes hilarious tales behind Kitboga’s iconic personas—crows and all—and get a behind-the-scenes look at his latest project, Saraf Secure, software designed to detect and prevent scams before they start. From wasting scammers’ precious time to gathering critical threat intelligence, Kitboga explains how technology and a little bit of imagination are making a real difference in the fight against online fraud.
Whether you’re fascinated by cybersecurity, AI, or just love a good story about tricking the tricksters, this episode is packed with insight, laughs, and expert advice to keep you—and your loved ones—safe from the next big scam.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Aggressive Imposter Scams Rising
01:46 Section One - Evolution of Scamming and Scam baiting
05:41 Evolving Tactics of Scammers
08:40 AI-Driven Scambaiting Innovation
13:53 Exploiting Scammers' Ego Weakness
16:23 Scam Baiters Impacting Scammers' Tactics
17:58 Section Two - AI Versus Scammers and the Battle for Cybersecurity
20:14 Scambot Strategy Disrupts Fraud Calls
23:18 "Combating Scammers Using Screen Software"
25:59 Optimizing Scam Detection Strategies
28:05 Use vellum.ai to compare and contrast AI models
28:26 Challenges of Updating AI Models
35:03 AI Limitations on Emerging Scams
38:14 "Preventing Computer Scams"
40:28 Battling Scammers with AI Tools
45:21 Scam Detection Using Machine Learning
46:00 Section Three - Future of Scam Prevention
48:22 Automated Scam Detection Solutions
52:30 Tech Tools to Combat Scammers
54:31 Exciting Collaborations and Innovations Ahead
57:41 AI Strategy Against Scammer Tactics
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