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August 15, 2025 17 mins

In this episode I take you on a climb up the “Mount of Mudita,” a journey through three powerful stages of pickleball mindset growth—from realizing you’re not the center of the court, to respecting others’ paths, to celebrating your opponents’ successes. Join me and start your own climb toward pickleball enlightenment that can transform not only your game but your enjoyment of it.

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(00:05):
Hello and welcome to Pickleball Therapy,the podcast dedicated to
your pickleball improvement.
Hope you're having a great week.My name is Tony Roig.
I'm the host of your weekly podcast.
Sound may be a littlebit different this week.
I'm trying something new.
I'm basically,I don't know, almost have the microphone
in my mouth a little bit, but Iguess the sound quality will go up.
We shall see.

(00:25):
If you like the sound qualityof this one, let us know.
It's a little bit different for me.
I'm not used to basically having amicrophone in my mouth, but it is only me
on the microphone, so I guess that's okay.
This week, it's actuallygoing to be a lot of fun.
We're going to go on a climb together.We're going to climb.
I'm calling it the Mount of Mudita.
I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly,but the pronunciation of the word is less

(00:49):
important than the meaning that it has.
We're going to climb this mount today andexplore different progressions of our, you
want to call it, Pickleball Enlightenment.I'm good with that.
We can do that one.Our Pickleball Enlightenment.
As we dive into the podcast,we have our Pickleball System
course opening for thefall, our September course.

(01:11):
If you've been thinking about improvingyour Pickleball, I get asked all the
time, what's the best thing to do?
Camp, lessons, whatever,YouTube, stuff like that.
It's the pickable system.
To me, there's no thinking about it.
There's no debate about it.

(01:31):
It's a one-of-a-kind program.
If you want to find out moreabout it, come to our...
We'll have a free training in September.
You can get a feel for how we train.
Then check out the testimonials of fellowplayers who've been in
it, and they'll tell you.I'll tell you how good it is.
Anyway, that's coming up soon here.
We also have a couple of campsthat we've opened up recently.

(01:52):
If you're interested in a pickleballcamp, it's a great way to learn as well.
It makes it sound like I justsaid, Don't come to camp.
Camp is good.
It's a more compressedversion of the system.
That's how we teach our camps.
And I would tell you that if you want acamp that's
really going to help you understandpickleball better, this
is the camp to come to.

(02:13):
So check those out aswell at betterpickleball.
com.
All right, let's dive into this idea.
So here's my personal progression as aplayer and as a thinker about sport
as evolved over time.
And Hopefully, it helped you as wellif you've been listening for a bit.

(02:34):
If you haven't, you listen for alittle bit longer and it'll help you.
ButI'm thinking about this idea of
progressing through differentstages of our pickle ball.
I'm going to keep usingthe word enlightenment.
I like that idea.
It's really our understanding of thosearound us, those players that

(02:56):
are other than us inside the sport.
I came across this term in Mutitarecently, which made me think of it as
perhaps, at least right now, it's going tobe the highest
echelon or the highest tier that we canachieve along this climb
that we're undertaking.
What we're going to do is we're going tostart a little bit simpler on the

(03:17):
climb and then make it a little bit...
We'll keep on going up, and thenwe'll end up at Mudita at the end.
So the progression is like this.
A lot of times as pickleball players,and A lot of this is unintentional, guys.
It's not like we're out thereintentionally thinking this way.
But the way we end up engaging with thesport of pickleball is as though we

(03:42):
were at the center of the whole thing.
That was like, we're the most importantthing on the pickleball court.
Now, there's a side branch here that wecould explore, but I don't want
to spend too much time on this.
There is an idea, obviously, that in termsof your experience, you are the primary
actor in your own life, sothat would make sense for you personally.

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But in terms of the game of pickleballitself, you are clearly not at the
center of the game of pickleball.
Neither am I, neither is anybody else.
And so the first step along thisjourney is understanding that.
Is understanding that there are otheractors, our opponents, our partner.

(04:30):
If you're playing in a tournament,the referee, the volunteers.
There's even, you want to goa little bit deeper on it.
You can talk about who made thecourse that you're playing on.
That's important.
It could be someone at the county, itcould be a private facility, whatever.
You need those folks.You need the game organizers.
How are you playing ona Wednesday morning?

(04:50):
Who organized that?Was that you or somebody else?
So there's a lot of actors inthis game that we end up playing
on the court called Pickleball.
And so the first The next step along theprogress is understanding that there
are, in fact, other actors out there.
And what that does is ittakes away or it disarms us from sometimes

(05:14):
acting too narcissistically, tooselfishly, and making everything about us.
You can imagine a situation whereyou go to a facility and they
have six courts, but they're busy.
There's a lot of that want to play andthings like that, and
we make it all about us.It's all about, well, I'm having to wait.

(05:36):
It's inconveniencing me.
If the word I or me is in there too much,maybe you got to think about that a little
bit and progress up to the first levelon this mount that we're climbing,
which is, again, just understanding thatwe are not the center of the pickleball
universe in terms of the pickleballitself and in terms of the overall game.

(05:58):
Beyond the other actors, by the way,there's also just the game itself.
The game itself has its ownexistence, if you will, its own thing.
You think about it this way, right?
When you play pickleballat your local courts, yes, there's your
opponents, your partner,the organizer, the facility,

(06:18):
whoever is in charge of the facility or incharge of making the
facility, things like that.
But beyond that, there's players playingpick-a-ball in the adjoining state.
There's players playingpickleball in other of the world.
There's going to be players playingpickleball after you and I are no
longer around to play pick-a-ball.
So the game itself has its own existence.
And understanding that also is also a wayto think, get beyond ourselves, extend

(06:46):
our thinking beyond just ourselves.
And the story that I like to share here,I've probably shared it recently, but I'm
going to share it again, is the story ofRafael Nadal, one of the greatest tennis
players of all time, brushing his owncourts after practice, the clay courts.
By himself, by hand.
The reason he does that isbecause he's not bigger than the

(07:07):
game, and it keeps him humble.
It keeps him connected,grounded, if you will.
Anyway, so level one of the mount thatwe're climbing, the Mount of Mudita, is
this understanding thatwe're not at the center.
The next here, the next level that we canget to along this climb,
is the idea of Sonder.

(07:27):
I've talked about it before in in a priorpodcast, but basically Sonder is the idea
that it's the realization that othersaround you are living their own lives.
So it's a certain amount of empathy, butit's really just It's more
like a respect of others.
It's the idea thatyou want to live your life the best

(07:52):
you can, and that's perfectly fine.
No one's going to judge you for thatbecause you have Sondra as well.
You're entitled to it.
But so do they.
So does your partner.
So does your opponent.
So does the other playerswaiting, things like that.
An example here would be your partner.
Maybe this isn't you directly, but you'veprobably witnessed it, where you have

(08:17):
a player misses a shot, even an easy one,and their partner gets all over them.
It makes them feel less than as a player.
Obviously, that's not cool.
That's not something we should do.
But And Sondra, I think, helps us really,crystallizes that idea.
And the idea, again, is that the playerwho missed the shot,

(08:38):
they're entitled to live the life thatthey're leading the
way they're leading it.
And weare not allowed is, and we're going to
probably end up with a loud anyway, but wedon't have the authority or the right
to negatively impact thelife of another human being.

(08:59):
The the same way that theydon't have the ability to...
They should not negativelyimpact her life.
It's the old do unto others idea.
But the beautiful thing about Sonder is,do unto others is a fine rule,
the golden rule, right?
But I would submit the limitation with dounto others is that the

(09:20):
reason you're not doing unto othersis because of this rule, right?
That, okay, I'm not supposed to do untoyou, except as you would do unto me.
Sondra takes it a little bitfurther, which is you actually realize
that this other person has their ownpath, their own right to their existence
and the way that they're choosingto experience that existence.

(09:46):
So that's level two.
So level one, again, is we'renot the center of the universe.
We remove that obstacle to ourselves.
Level two, now we're in saunder, which iswhere we're respecting others'
ability to lead their lives.
Now, Now we get to mudita.
We get to the height of enlightenment.
And I guess it's appropriate that it's aHindu word, I believe.
But it's a...

(10:10):
Mudita is the idea, isthe When you have mudita, it's
having feelings of happinessfor the success of others.
Now we've gone next level, right?
And I'm going to tie it into a gamein a second, the different pieces.

(10:30):
But just think aboutthat for a second, right?
It's you actually being happybecause somebody else succeeded.
Your opponents, in some cases, or in allcases, if you're in mudita land, if you're
up at that higher echelon ofawareness and enlightenment.

(10:51):
When you think about it applied to ourgame, specifically, work
through it a little bit.
You start from the premisethat, and let's use a common example that
we use on this podcast because I think itgives us a
good playground to have this conversation,which is the game that we're up,

(11:13):
10-8, and we lose 12-10.
So the first level would be we come offthe court and we tell our partner,
If I had played better,we would have won that.
There, what we're doing is we're making itabout ourselves.
Else.
If I had played better,we would have won that.

(11:35):
So I guess in that scenario, I amcompletely in charge of everything that
happens in the universe because allI have to do is just play better.
And I win.
In other words, my opponentshave no role to play.
My partner has no role.I need to play better and I win.
Very self-centered, very narcissistic.

(11:57):
And I'm not trying tobe critical of anybody.
If you've I thought that recently, but Ithink if you process it a little bit,
you'll understand that that's not a...
First of all, it's not accurate.
And second of all,it could hold you back because you're
assigning yourself way too muchpower in the universe.

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So that's the first level.
Then the next level would beunderstanding, just understanding, not
being happy about it, but understandingthat the fact that you were able
to get to 10-8, good on you.
You're entitled to play as hard asyou can and score points and stuff.
But that does not preclude your opponentsthen from also getting

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to 10, just like you.
Why are you entitled to 10 andthey're not entitled to 10?
And then from there, it just becamea game to two, to win by two.
Think about it for a second.You were up 10-8.
The only way they can beat you 12-10is first, they need to get to 10 first.
They need to get to 10 and tie you.That's the first step.

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Then someone's going to get to 11 andmaybe 12 or keep on going, whatever.
But the point is, you got to 10.
Why can't they get to 10?
What is it about them thatdoesn't allow them to get to 10?
That's a Sonder concept.
The realization that others are entitledto walk their paths, just like
you're entitled to walk your path.
If you can get to 10, why can't they?

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So that's the second tier.
And then the third tier, the enlightenmenttier, the mudita level, if you will,
is, you know what?That's awesome.
That's so goodthat they were able to persevere,
that they were able tobe down 8, 10 and just keep fighting,

(13:47):
keep battling, not make a silly mistake.
Because if you think it through, if theyhad missed a return to serve, game over.
If they had missed aneasy fourth, game over.
You would have won because that would havebeen a point for So they had to play well
on the return side, and then they hadto keep battling until they got to 12.

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They had 10 first andthen 12, ahead of you.
So the next stage of, again, enlighteningis not just acknowledging their right
to do so, which is the Sondra concept.
It's actually looking across the netand just being happy for your opponents.
And I'll tell you guys a quickside story, personal story.

(14:30):
Where I apply this concept, and havebeen applied it for a little bit now.
Think of one of those rallies wherethere's a really
good hustle by your opponent.
And let's think of a really clear one iswhere the ball trickles over the net, or
it's a really weird shotor a lob they go after or something.
And they just hustle back there or hustleup, and they get it, and

(14:52):
they extend the rally.
What I've been doing in those situationsin my mind is I'm rooting for them.
Now, I want to be absolutely clear.
I am not giving them the point.
I'm not just dumping the ball intothe net and going, Oh, nice shot.
We're good hustle.I'm fighting.
I'm scrapping.I'm scraping.
I'm doing the best that I can,just like it would normally.

(15:12):
But I will tell you that I've gotten to aplace where maybe it's a little Mudita and
me now, where I'm actually rooting forthem to win that rally because
of the work they put in.
So maybe try and findthose moments, right?
Where maybe you're smashing balls at youropponents and they're
just digging everything.
And maybe there's a part of youthat can go, wow, that's so cool.

(15:34):
They're working so hard.
They're doing such a good job.
And part of me wishes or hopes thatthey prevail in this rally here.
Again, I'm not going to give itto them, but I hope they prevail.
Anyway, so that's Mudita.That's the idea.
It's going to be difficult if you haven'tstarted climbing this mount yet to go

(15:55):
base to Mudita.Think of it like Mount Everest.
They have those basecamps and stuff like that.
It's similar.
First, get to the base camp ofyou're not the center of the universe.
Then, get to the base camp of they'reentitled to whatever they got.
They're entitled to their 10,they're entitled to their 12.
You don't have to be happyabout it at the next base camp.
Then, if you want to go all the way upinto the cloud level and see really what's

(16:18):
going on in the valley,you can keep climbing and get to Mutita.
Anyway, hope you enjoyed that.
I enjoyed this podcast.
If you probably hear it, my voice reallyliked the way that the
concepts fit together.
It's a really good concept and hopefullysomething that you can bring into
your game when you're ready for it.

(16:39):
I hope you enjoyed this week's podcast.
As always, if you have a minute to rateand review it, really
appreciate you doing that.
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Remember, if you enjoyed this podcast,reasonable chance they might as well.
I hope you have a great week, and I'll seeyou in the next episode
of Pickleball Therapy.Be well.
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