April 30, 2025 • 26 mins
The Pig and Whistle Tales from Azeroth podcast dissects forum debates about gear acquisition and endgame content priorities in World of Warcraft. We provide perspective on the ongoing tension between Mythic+ players and raiders while offering practical advice for new and returning players.
• Analyzing a complaint about Mythic+ players feeling "discriminated against" by raid trinkets being locked behind boss kills
• Comparing PvE and PvP gearing experiences and why some complaints seem privileged
• Examining Solo Shuffle's lengthy queue times and why gold incentives won't solve the healer shortage
• Explaining The War Within's PvP gearing system with catalysts and conquest gear for returning players
• Addressing healer anxiety in 5-man content and why focusing on healing basics before damage rotation is essential
• Recommending patience and progression for new healers learning break points and ability timings
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
The do.
Hello and welcome to the Pigand Whistle Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle Inn in Stormwind, I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft.
So grab a bottle or a pint, sitback and enjoy this midweek
(01:06):
episode.
We're going to be going over afew different topics.
We're going to be going overpve, pvp and both like for
newcomers, new players andreturning players.
Um, we're going to be lookingat the forums, going to be
giving our takes on if thesepeople are saying anything that
makes sense, saying anythingthat makes no sense, if they're
absolutely bullshitting, ifthey're, you know, being stupid,
(01:27):
if they're actually beingintelligent.
I'm going to be giving myopinion on it as well and sort
of the positives and negativesof their arguments and hopefully
can kind of dissect it.
So we will be starting off inthe PvE section.
And this person states MythicPlus Playbase is being
discriminated by Blizzard.
(01:47):
Yeah, I, as a PvPer, I have nosympathy.
So, according to the latestupdate, raid trinkets are only
attainable if you've defeatedthe corresponding boss on that
specific difficulty.
I'm pretty sure this has alwaysbeen the case.
This means that you need tokill at least four bosses every
(02:09):
week for three weeks just toearn a single dinar.
A dinar is basically not to beconfused with a dinner and it's
basically something that you getas a currency to have as bad
luck protection.
So if you want a trinket from acertain boss but you don't get
that trinket from that boss, youbasically get this dinar and
(02:32):
you can buy it within the nextfew weeks as like bad luck
protection essentially, whichcan then be used to purchase one
trinket.
Oh, there you go.
Even then, you still can'taccess items like the one-armed
bandit trinket, muggsy's trinketor the galley wicks ring with
the mythic track, simply becauseyou haven't beaten those bosses
(02:52):
at that difficulty.
Yes, that should be the case,because if you were to go into a
raid, kill the first fourbosses of the raid and then get
the last bosses, which is alwaysgoing to be better loot the
last boss always has better loot.
If you get his trinket or hisring or his weapon or something,
it makes no sense, does it?
(03:13):
Because you haven't reallyearned the right to get that
weapon.
Yeah, like it makes absolutelyno sense that you're going to be
able to get this.
I do think that you should havea right to be able to purchase
any sort of trinket if you havecompleted that difficulty.
So if you've completed theentire raid on normal, you
should be able to accesseverything in that raid at a
(03:34):
normal item level quality, likefor bad luck protection.
This is the way it should be.
If it is very much, even afteryou've killed the last boss and
you've gotten you know the maxum sort of difficulty done and
you still can't buy it, that'swhen it's a bit of a problem.
It does be a bit of a kick inthe balls.
Uh, in that way.
(03:55):
Uh, this feels like blatantbiased against mythic plus
players.
Why can't we just enjoy thegame and the way we prefer you
can?
It's called playing mythic plus.
We're paying a monthlysubscription just to be so
sidelined and treated like weprefer.
You can.
It's called playing mythic plus.
We're paying a monthlysubscription just to be so
sidelined and treated like we'reless important.
Oh, the vast majority of us wantto focus on mythic plus content
, but stop trying to force usinto raiding it.
(04:16):
Is it really the unreasonable?
Is it really that unreasonableto want to earn the best Mythic
Plus gear from Mythic Plus?
Oh yeah, so just how, some ofthe best gear in PvP at the time
in previous expansions havebeen from Mythic Plus or Raiding
as well.
It's not like Mythic Plusplayers get to actually get all
of their gear from the veryfirst week.
(04:39):
You are allowed to do as manyMythic Plus runs as you want and
get fully geared.
You can do plus tens if youreally wanted on the first week,
if you're really just grindingout the Mythics, but you are
subject to two pieces of PvPgear in the first week.
No change about that.
But yeah, sure, mythic Plusplayers are the ones that are
being discriminated against.
Like it's ridiculous.
(05:00):
Let Raiders stick to theircontent and earn gear suited for
that.
Why do Raid items end up beingthe best in slot for both raid
and mythic plus content?
Because it's both pve content.
Okay, it is pve content, all ofit is.
You don't see delve peoplesaying, oh my god, I'm forced to
do mythic plus and raiding formy delve trinkets.
(05:21):
Like no, it just makes no sense.
Obviously it's all pve related,but delves are meant to be a
stepping stone into mythic plusor raiding and stuff like that.
In my opinion anyway, or theycan help you get to that point.
Yeah, does that make sense?
Um, where was I?
Why the raiders and, yeah, yeah, being completely unfair.
(05:41):
On top of this, mythic plusplayers already have to deal
with a single random item fromthe great vault each week, and
now we're hit with this a singlerandom item.
Oh, that's.
It's quite lucky, isn't it?
For pve is you know, I, I am.
I remember back in dragonflightwhen pvp had a slot in the great
vault, but now it's taken up bydelves instead.
(06:04):
Yeah, like it's, it'sridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It seems so privileged almostto the mythic plus or the pve
community.
Um, I'm not saying that as awhole community, I'm saying that
as, like, this person seems soprivileged and doesn't
understand, like the, what he'staking for granted pretty much.
(06:25):
Several friends of mine arealready cancelling their
subscriptions and, honestly, itmight be the only way to get
Blizzard to listen.
Maybe, if enough people takethat step, they'll stop treating
the Mythic Plus community likea second-class citizen.
What the fuck is a PvP-classcitizen then?
That's got to be like of fourthworld country, not even third.
(06:47):
Um, look, this is ridiculous.
I get that there's going to beannoyances when it comes to
raiding and like having yourbest gear come from raids.
I have been asked to do mythicplus with some friends, I've
been asked to do some like plus12s to get the achievement or
whatever it might be to helpthem out.
In order to do this, I need tobe able to get some gear.
(07:08):
So I've been doing mythic plusand I have been doing the raids
for these items and look, if Idon't get the items, it's
annoying because I don't want todo raiding, but I make the
conscious choice to do it forthat gear and and if I don't
want to do the raiding, I willsimply just say I don't want to
do it and I don't worry aboutgetting the best trinkets.
(07:30):
All right, I'm something like650 item level PVE now something
along them lines, and I've beendoing pugs and multiple runs
with the people that I'm goingto be doing plus 12s with and
I'm keeping up in damage withsome shitty PVE gear and some
really bad trinkets.
I think the one that I've gotfor Boomy is like the crit one
(07:53):
from the Rookery Last Boss orsomething.
It puts a blob on the ground.
It's really bad for Boomyanyway, but you can do the
damage without the best gear inthe world.
Now, obviously, the gear helps,but you can still work with the
(08:14):
gear that you have.
Okay, it is, it is possible,and I get that it's an annoyance
.
But it's an annoyance that youknow pvp don't get any sort of
vault, so count yourself luckyfor getting another piece there.
You know that kind of deal.
Count yourself lucky for beingable to get the tier pieces
within the raid itself.
You know, because you can go inweek one, get what you need and
(08:36):
then essentially you're donewith the raid.
You've gotten your four tierpieces, you're done with the
expansion.
And then it's like, oh my god,blizzard aren't releasing.
Just seeing this it makes meannoyed because it's like, oh my
god, I'm forced to do raidingbecause of this trinket.
(08:57):
And it's like, yeah, but youcan get gear on the first week
of the light patch.
Pvps have to wait 10 weeks.
I mean, I think this week isthe week that I just got fully
geared pvp wise, think aboutthat.
When did this patch come out?
I can't even remember.
It was like several weeks agonow.
So it's it's absolutely.
(09:17):
We're in 0.5 of this patch,okay, and yet we're just gotten
fully geared.
So it's absolutely ridiculous tothink that, um, look, I get
that there are some annoyances,but people also pay for their
subscription to do MythicRaiding and to do Mythic Raiding
(09:38):
, which is considered the top ofthe top at PvE standards anyway
, then you deserve the best gear.
And the thing is, in my opinion, you deserve the best gear if
you do PvP and you're the top ofthe top, but you can't do that
because it is just more of anunfair advantage in PvP.
In my opinion, you deserve thebest gear if you do like pvp and
you're the top of the top, butyou can't do that because it is
just more of an unfair advantagein pvp.
So you get cosmetics instead,you get like the glad mount and
(10:00):
stuff like that, but even thenpve is getting like mounts for
getting a certain mythic plusrating and stuff like this.
So you know, it's all subjectto everyone's own opinion, but I
don't think that you should beupset that there are your best
trinkets in raid, because pvecontent is just pve content,
(10:21):
like that's it.
I get that mythic plus is moreenjoyable, uh, than raiding and
I do agree with that.
I think that that's my take onthat anyway.
But if you're doing pve contentand you're crying about your
best trinket coming from pvecontent, you don't really have
an argument in my honest opinion.
Um, because you can just saylook great, I want a mid max,
(10:43):
but I really don't like raiding,so I'm not going to do it.
So what's my next best trinketfrom mythic plus?
Okay, it's that simple.
It's's that simple and you needto switch your mindset to that
sometimes, because it is what itis.
Moving on to the next.
Now this is a little bitannoying Solo shuffle, big
waiting times.
Can you guess what this personplays?
(11:05):
Yeah, I wait 30 minutes to playa game.
This is so boring I just don'twant to wait anymore and I quit.
Do something, maybe add DPS,only solo ladder.
That would be horrendously bad.
Um, or give healers some goldwith each game so they are
motivated more to play as ahealer people.
No amount of gold in wow unlessit's like 10k, like each game
(11:30):
no amount of gold will getpeople to play as healer.
And the reason?
Because people flame thehealers.
The healer could do everythingperfectly.
They could use every singlecooldown phenomenally and they
could do everything.
But if a dps dies withoutpressing a bubble like or a ice
block, the healer will still getflamed for it.
(11:52):
That's the thing.
That's why people don't want toplay healers is because people
who play solo shuffle and I getannoyed myself, but I don't
actively flame people.
They express it at the healerand they let out their anger at
the healer and the healer's justlike well, why should I heal
you then?
Why should I subject myself tobeing ridiculed because
(12:15):
someone's being a dipshit andthey didn't use an ice block
when I had no other cooldownsleft and I'm in cc?
You know it's that kind of deal.
Um, solo shuffle is a disasterand for someone who is playing
solo is the only way to enjoypvp in the game.
You clearly do not have friendsthat you do arenas with, like I
(12:36):
.
I don't mean that to sound likereally hostile or sort of
snarky or anything like that,but I enjoy solo shuffle.
Don't get me wrong, but thething is, doing actual 3v3 with
people that you enjoy spendingtime with is a lot more
enjoyable than solo shuffle.
Like comms-wise is a lot better, setup-wise is a lot better.
(12:59):
The entire like thing is justbetter in my honest opinion.
Please do something to fix thissituation.
I can't wait 30 minutes plus toplay a game.
If he can't wait, he can go.
Healer, he is a paladin.
He has a holy spec.
This will allow him to get aquick queue time.
Okay, people who complain aboutqueue times but just want more
(13:25):
healers to sign up are the oneswho complain at healers when
they lose a round, and it'sridiculous.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
They lose a round, and it'sridiculous.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
Um, yeah, like.
The simple answer is he can justheal, if it.
If he doesn't care about whathe's playing, which he hasn't
stated all he cares about is thequeue times then he can.
(13:46):
He can sign up as a healer.
That's simple.
It's that simple to like, justchange, and people need to get
over it.
People really need to get overit, because either you sit your
cue time or you simply go healeryourself and then, once you've
gone healer and you really don'tenjoy it, fair enough, but then
(14:13):
you can't complain because ifyou quit whilst you're playing
healer like, then you're theproblem as well.
Is what you're stating?
Because no healers are queuingup, but you tried healer, you
didn't like it, you quit, wentback to dps, so you're helping
the healer shortage as well.
You know it's ridiculous.
Plus, yeah, healers just don'twant to be flamed.
(14:35):
There's no point.
It's ridiculous.
If you are a healer in soloshuffle, I recommend turning off
chat genuinely, because there'sno point.
The very little are the commslike useful comms in solo
shuffle?
There is very little usefulcomms in solo shuffle, and it's
ridiculous.
(14:56):
The next one I want to go on issomething that's actually quite
tough for people to understandbut not played since
dragonflight how to pvp gear inthe war within.
I haven't played sincedragonflight, when pvp set bonus
gear was obtained through thevault, but, as I can see, there
is no longer rewards for pvpgear.
So how is it obtainable?
(15:16):
Do I have to do pve content toget pvp set gear bonus or am I
missing something?
I also don't understand all ofthese new currencies required
for upgrading conquest gear.
Is it me or have they forcedpvp players to do pve content in
order to progress and upgradegear?
If anyone is able to advisethat and and the most efficient
(15:37):
way to obtain pvp gear bonus orbonus set and upgrade conquest
gear, it would be muchappreciated, as I'm not sure if
it's changed this season as I'vestarted late in the war with
him, okay, so he's very confusedabout many things, so I'm going
to dissect this.
Firstly, uh, tier sets for pvpcan be obtained through a
(15:58):
catalyst.
This catalyst is located slapbang in the middle of daunagul
and essentially, when you buy aset piece item so head,
shoulders, chest piece, glovesand legs you can like from
conquest you can transform theseinto tier pieces and they will
keep their pvp item level.
That's how you get tier for pvp.
(16:20):
You do not need to upgrade yourconquest gear.
The only reason you upgradeyour gear for pvp gear is if you
are planning to do pve content,okay, pvp gear has a set item
level.
When you go into PvP contentand it will say at the bottom it
will say this item level isincreased to 6, 7, 8, I think.
(16:43):
When entering PvP likebattlegrounds or arenas it will
say that at the bottom of thegear, you do not need to upgrade
it at all.
They're the two main things,because the currencies are
related to upgrading the pvpgear.
So you do not need to worryabout this at all, and I get
that it is somewhat complicatedfor people to coming back to the
(17:05):
game to understand how to gear.
So to gear for pvp, the bestway to do it is to do
battlegrounds to get your honorset or your honor gear.
Okay, once you have a base on aset or on a full set of honor
gear, then you have two ways ofgetting better gear.
You have through bloody tokens,um and conquest.
(17:28):
Conquest is your highest itemlevel pvp gear.
Okay now, bloody tokens arevery good to get still, because
they are three item levels lowerthan conquest gear, but they
are still very good if you canmanage to get it throughout the
um time that you're gettingconquest gear.
Yeah, does that, because it's alot better than honor gear.
(17:53):
And the way that you get bloodytokens is there will be a quest
in dawn of gold near the pvpvendors in that sort of um
courtyard area, and he willoffer a quest to go to a certain
zone and earn uh sparks of war,and these sparks you need a
hundred of them.
Get a hundred by doing openingchests, doing uh world quests,
(18:15):
killing the opposite faction inthe zone, and then you come back
and essentially, you hand inthis quest and it will give you
a bit of honor as well asconquest and bloody tokens.
This is how you earn this gear.
Now, with conquest gear, youcan earn this doing rated
content, so rated arenas, ratedbattlegrounds.
(18:38):
You could do solo shuffle.
You could do many differentthings.
These are the ways that youearn gear in PvP for the War
Within.
I hope that cleared it up alittle bit.
But yeah, some people get veryconfused when it comes to PvP
and I hope that this helpedanyone sort of gearing.
It's quite a simple processonce you understand.
(19:00):
Now obviously there are moreintricate things like getting
your embellishments, so yourcrafted gear, but that's a
little bit more tedious to doand I would honestly recommend
getting a guide up for thatbecause it's I can explain it,
but you would still be confusedif I explain it because it
(19:22):
sounds so weird on how to do it.
Um, but yeah, you essentiallyget your mats and then you send
in a crafting order for acertain ring neck, whatever you
might want to make, and thisperson will make it for you.
That's simple, but you need acouple things you need a missive
, you need the embellishment,you need the tokens to upgrade
(19:45):
it for pvp item level and stufflike that.
So it's best to honestly justlook up a guide.
I think super tease orsomething has one um like from
dragonflight or the war within.
That will help you understandthat sort of aspect of gearing
the crafted pieces.
The last one I want to do ismore of a newer or new slash
(20:08):
returning player kind of content.
So picking up healer class,slash spec.
Hi there everyone.
I know that we're already deepwithin season two at the war
with him.
However, I am considering aboutbecoming a healer in five man
content.
This is good.
We always like healers.
We always need more healers.
I already have three classes,capped at 80 paladin, monk and
(20:30):
druid.
However, I have yet to decidewhich one I would be playing.
I also realize that monks andpaladins required to be in melee
range to do damage.
This is mandatory these days,be it recover mana or even dish
out some damage.
This fact gave me some anxiety,so any tips, advice, insight on
(20:51):
the matter is welcome.
Best regards everyone.
So firstly, for druids as well,you've got to be within melee.
Um, because you go feral, I'mpretty sure, or damage wise, you
don't do masses of damage as ahealer in pve content and pvp
unless you're a disc priest,mainly now for shamans and stuff
(21:15):
.
You're gonna have stuff thatautomatically deals damage, like
your surging totem with acidrain.
You're going to naturally bedoing damage with the acid rain
talent when you put your surgingtotem down, but honestly it
isn't masses.
So if you would rather justenjoy playing healer, you can
just heal.
Normally, you do not have to dothe damage unless you're doing
(21:36):
really really high mythic pluskeys.
Okay.
So enjoy the game as you wantto enjoy it, and it is not
mandatory in any way to dodamage as a healer in super high
keys.
Yes, it is always beneficialand it will always be beneficial
, but it is not a mandatoryrequirement.
(21:58):
I'm glad that people are lookingto pick up healers because they
are very difficult to play inboth PvE and PvP content.
Now, pve content, I find it alot more enjoyable to do damage
whilst I'm healing because therecan be a lot of downtime when
it comes to just raw healing inPVE content, as tanks are quite
(22:18):
sustainable by themselves.
If the DPS don't stand in shit,you don't really have a lot to
heal, and boss mechanics will doAoE damage.
They're kind of your moments toshine, but that's about it.
As for, like any of theseclasses, monk and Paladin, both
are melee as well, but you havea lot of classes that aren't so.
(22:39):
If you're looking at Shaman,you're looking at Disc Priest,
you're looking at Holy Priest,whatever healing Evoker these
are all sort of caster healingclasses and these caster healing
DPS classes I would say they dodamage by casting.
I should say they don't dohealing by casting.
I should say not by um, theydon't do healing by casting.
Every healer does that.
But uh, these are the ones thatyou might want to look into if
(23:03):
you are worried about being amelee sort of healer, um, trying
to do damage, because evokerhas your fire breath, you have
your deep breath, you have, youknow, your disintegrates, these
sort of things.
Uh, your disc priest willobviously have mind blast
penances, all of this good stuff.
Holy priest will have yoursmite, elisha or not.
(23:25):
Le resto shamans will have yoursurging totem.
And what was the last one?
Am I crazy?
I didn't.
I think I said all of them.
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sureI've gone through all of the
healers, but essentially, youaren't forced to do damage.
Okay, if you want to purely justbe a healer, just be a healer,
and I would recommend doing that.
(23:45):
If you are looking to pick uphealing, I'd recommend that you
pick up the basics of thehealing, as it were.
Um, rather than try and focuson doing damage as a healer, you
want to get your healingrotation down before you start
implementing damage into thisrotation.
It just makes it a lot easierand something to focus on from
the start, essentially.
(24:06):
So I really hope that thissomewhat helps, but I would
recommend just taking it slow.
Focus on your healing rotationfirst, and then you can move
into the like okay, how do Ioptimize it fully now?
How do I really optimize it?
Oh, okay, this will do a bitmore damage.
You find the sort of breakingpoints of I can use lay on hands
when someone's 20 in this bossfight, kind of deal.
(24:29):
You know, um, if they're low,if there's no damage, okay, the
boss has just done his aoeeveryone's super low, but I know
that there's no damage.
Okay, the boss has just donehis AoE Everyone's super low,
but I know that there's nodamage coming out now.
So I have time to top everyoneup, kind of deal.
So it's about learning theseintricate things before you can
really go for your damage,because you're not going to
actively win a key by doing thatextra bit of damage.
(24:52):
It's so, so rare that you would.
So I'd recommend honestly, thatJust do your healing, focus on
that first.
Focus on the break points ofcertain classes, of certain
abilities that you can use totop someone up.
But I'd recommend that firstand then go into the damage, and
this can be said for any sortof thing, like even PvP.
(25:13):
I'd recommend going on yourdamage rotation first, then you
look at your cc afterwards andthen your positioning and stuff
like this.
But that is it for this episode.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
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(25:35):
Thank you.
The do.
Hello and welcome to the Pigand Whistle Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle Inn in Stormwind, I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft.
So grab a bottle or a pint, sitback and enjoy this midweek
(01:06):
episode.
We're going to be going over afew different topics.
We're going to be going overpve, pvp and both like for
newcomers, new players andreturning players.
Um, we're going to be lookingat the forums, going to be
giving our takes on if thesepeople are saying anything that
makes sense, saying anythingthat makes no sense, if they're
absolutely bullshitting, ifthey're, you know, being stupid,
(01:27):
if they're actually beingintelligent.
I'm going to be giving myopinion on it as well and sort
of the positives and negativesof their arguments and hopefully
can kind of dissect it.
So we will be starting off inthe PvE section.
And this person states MythicPlus Playbase is being
discriminated by Blizzard.
(01:47):
Yeah, I, as a PvPer, I have nosympathy.
So, according to the latestupdate, raid trinkets are only
attainable if you've defeatedthe corresponding boss on that
specific difficulty.
I'm pretty sure this has alwaysbeen the case.
This means that you need tokill at least four bosses every
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week for three weeks just toearn a single dinar.
A dinar is basically not to beconfused with a dinner and it's
basically something that you getas a currency to have as bad
luck protection.
So if you want a trinket from acertain boss but you don't get
that trinket from that boss, youbasically get this dinar and
(02:32):
you can buy it within the nextfew weeks as like bad luck
protection essentially, whichcan then be used to purchase one
trinket.
Oh, there you go.
Even then, you still can'taccess items like the one-armed
bandit trinket, muggsy's trinketor the galley wicks ring with
the mythic track, simply becauseyou haven't beaten those bosses
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at that difficulty.
Yes, that should be the case,because if you were to go into a
raid, kill the first fourbosses of the raid and then get
the last bosses, which is alwaysgoing to be better loot the
last boss always has better loot.
If you get his trinket or hisring or his weapon or something,
it makes no sense, does it?
(03:13):
Because you haven't reallyearned the right to get that
weapon.
Yeah, like it makes absolutelyno sense that you're going to be
able to get this.
I do think that you should havea right to be able to purchase
any sort of trinket if you havecompleted that difficulty.
So if you've completed theentire raid on normal, you
should be able to accesseverything in that raid at a
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normal item level quality, likefor bad luck protection.
This is the way it should be.
If it is very much, even afteryou've killed the last boss and
you've gotten you know the maxum sort of difficulty done and
you still can't buy it, that'swhen it's a bit of a problem.
It does be a bit of a kick inthe balls.
Uh, in that way.
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Uh, this feels like blatantbiased against mythic plus
players.
Why can't we just enjoy thegame and the way we prefer you
can?
It's called playing mythic plus.
We're paying a monthlysubscription just to be so
sidelined and treated like weprefer.
You can.
It's called playing mythic plus.
We're paying a monthlysubscription just to be so
sidelined and treated like we'reless important.
Oh, the vast majority of us wantto focus on mythic plus content
, but stop trying to force usinto raiding it.
(04:16):
Is it really the unreasonable?
Is it really that unreasonableto want to earn the best Mythic
Plus gear from Mythic Plus?
Oh yeah, so just how, some ofthe best gear in PvP at the time
in previous expansions havebeen from Mythic Plus or Raiding
as well.
It's not like Mythic Plusplayers get to actually get all
of their gear from the veryfirst week.
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You are allowed to do as manyMythic Plus runs as you want and
get fully geared.
You can do plus tens if youreally wanted on the first week,
if you're really just grindingout the Mythics, but you are
subject to two pieces of PvPgear in the first week.
No change about that.
But yeah, sure, mythic Plusplayers are the ones that are
being discriminated against.
Like it's ridiculous.
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Let Raiders stick to theircontent and earn gear suited for
that.
Why do Raid items end up beingthe best in slot for both raid
and mythic plus content?
Because it's both pve content.
Okay, it is pve content, all ofit is.
You don't see delve peoplesaying, oh my god, I'm forced to
do mythic plus and raiding formy delve trinkets.
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Like no, it just makes no sense.
Obviously it's all pve related,but delves are meant to be a
stepping stone into mythic plusor raiding and stuff like that.
In my opinion anyway, or theycan help you get to that point.
Yeah, does that make sense?
Um, where was I?
Why the raiders and, yeah, yeah, being completely unfair.
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On top of this, mythic plusplayers already have to deal
with a single random item fromthe great vault each week, and
now we're hit with this a singlerandom item.
Oh, that's.
It's quite lucky, isn't it?
For pve is you know, I, I am.
I remember back in dragonflightwhen pvp had a slot in the great
vault, but now it's taken up bydelves instead.
(06:04):
Yeah, like it's, it'sridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It seems so privileged almostto the mythic plus or the pve
community.
Um, I'm not saying that as awhole community, I'm saying that
as, like, this person seems soprivileged and doesn't
understand, like the, what he'staking for granted pretty much.
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Several friends of mine arealready cancelling their
subscriptions and, honestly, itmight be the only way to get
Blizzard to listen.
Maybe, if enough people takethat step, they'll stop treating
the Mythic Plus community likea second-class citizen.
What the fuck is a PvP-classcitizen then?
That's got to be like of fourthworld country, not even third.
(06:47):
Um, look, this is ridiculous.
I get that there's going to beannoyances when it comes to
raiding and like having yourbest gear come from raids.
I have been asked to do mythicplus with some friends, I've
been asked to do some like plus12s to get the achievement or
whatever it might be to helpthem out.
In order to do this, I need tobe able to get some gear.
(07:08):
So I've been doing mythic plusand I have been doing the raids
for these items and look, if Idon't get the items, it's
annoying because I don't want todo raiding, but I make the
conscious choice to do it forthat gear and and if I don't
want to do the raiding, I willsimply just say I don't want to
do it and I don't worry aboutgetting the best trinkets.
(07:30):
All right, I'm something like650 item level PVE now something
along them lines, and I've beendoing pugs and multiple runs
with the people that I'm goingto be doing plus 12s with and
I'm keeping up in damage withsome shitty PVE gear and some
really bad trinkets.
I think the one that I've gotfor Boomy is like the crit one
(07:53):
from the Rookery Last Boss orsomething.
It puts a blob on the ground.
It's really bad for Boomyanyway, but you can do the
damage without the best gear inthe world.
Now, obviously, the gear helps,but you can still work with the
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gear that you have.
Okay, it is, it is possible,and I get that it's an annoyance
.
But it's an annoyance that youknow pvp don't get any sort of
vault, so count yourself luckyfor getting another piece there.
You know that kind of deal.
Count yourself lucky for beingable to get the tier pieces
within the raid itself.
You know, because you can go inweek one, get what you need and
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then essentially you're donewith the raid.
You've gotten your four tierpieces, you're done with the
expansion.
And then it's like, oh my god,blizzard aren't releasing.
Just seeing this it makes meannoyed because it's like, oh my
god, I'm forced to do raidingbecause of this trinket.
(08:57):
And it's like, yeah, but youcan get gear on the first week
of the light patch.
Pvps have to wait 10 weeks.
I mean, I think this week isthe week that I just got fully
geared pvp wise, think aboutthat.
When did this patch come out?
I can't even remember.
It was like several weeks agonow.
So it's it's absolutely.
(09:17):
We're in 0.5 of this patch,okay, and yet we're just gotten
fully geared.
So it's absolutely ridiculous tothink that, um, look, I get
that there are some annoyances,but people also pay for their
subscription to do MythicRaiding and to do Mythic Raiding
(09:38):
, which is considered the top ofthe top at PvE standards anyway
, then you deserve the best gear.
And the thing is, in my opinion, you deserve the best gear if
you do PvP and you're the top ofthe top, but you can't do that
because it is just more of anunfair advantage in PvP.
In my opinion, you deserve thebest gear if you do like pvp and
you're the top of the top, butyou can't do that because it is
just more of an unfair advantagein pvp.
So you get cosmetics instead,you get like the glad mount and
(10:00):
stuff like that, but even thenpve is getting like mounts for
getting a certain mythic plusrating and stuff like this.
So you know, it's all subjectto everyone's own opinion, but I
don't think that you should beupset that there are your best
trinkets in raid, because pvecontent is just pve content,
(10:21):
like that's it.
I get that mythic plus is moreenjoyable, uh, than raiding and
I do agree with that.
I think that that's my take onthat anyway.
But if you're doing pve contentand you're crying about your
best trinket coming from pvecontent, you don't really have
an argument in my honest opinion.
Um, because you can just saylook great, I want a mid max,
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but I really don't like raiding,so I'm not going to do it.
So what's my next best trinketfrom mythic plus?
Okay, it's that simple.
It's's that simple and you needto switch your mindset to that
sometimes, because it is what itis.
Moving on to the next.
Now this is a little bitannoying Solo shuffle, big
waiting times.
Can you guess what this personplays?
(11:05):
Yeah, I wait 30 minutes to playa game.
This is so boring I just don'twant to wait anymore and I quit.
Do something, maybe add DPS,only solo ladder.
That would be horrendously bad.
Um, or give healers some goldwith each game so they are
motivated more to play as ahealer people.
No amount of gold in wow unlessit's like 10k, like each game
(11:30):
no amount of gold will getpeople to play as healer.
And the reason?
Because people flame thehealers.
The healer could do everythingperfectly.
They could use every singlecooldown phenomenally and they
could do everything.
But if a dps dies withoutpressing a bubble like or a ice
block, the healer will still getflamed for it.
(11:52):
That's the thing.
That's why people don't want toplay healers is because people
who play solo shuffle and I getannoyed myself, but I don't
actively flame people.
They express it at the healerand they let out their anger at
the healer and the healer's justlike well, why should I heal
you then?
Why should I subject myself tobeing ridiculed because
(12:15):
someone's being a dipshit andthey didn't use an ice block
when I had no other cooldownsleft and I'm in cc?
You know it's that kind of deal.
Um, solo shuffle is a disasterand for someone who is playing
solo is the only way to enjoypvp in the game.
You clearly do not have friendsthat you do arenas with, like I
(12:36):
.
I don't mean that to sound likereally hostile or sort of
snarky or anything like that,but I enjoy solo shuffle.
Don't get me wrong, but thething is, doing actual 3v3 with
people that you enjoy spendingtime with is a lot more
enjoyable than solo shuffle.
Like comms-wise is a lot better, setup-wise is a lot better.
(12:59):
The entire like thing is justbetter in my honest opinion.
Please do something to fix thissituation.
I can't wait 30 minutes plus toplay a game.
If he can't wait, he can go.
Healer, he is a paladin.
He has a holy spec.
This will allow him to get aquick queue time.
Okay, people who complain aboutqueue times but just want more
(13:25):
healers to sign up are the oneswho complain at healers when
they lose a round, and it'sridiculous.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
They lose a round, and it'sridiculous.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
Um, yeah, like.
The simple answer is he can justheal, if it.
If he doesn't care about whathe's playing, which he hasn't
stated all he cares about is thequeue times then he can.
(13:46):
He can sign up as a healer.
That's simple.
It's that simple to like, justchange, and people need to get
over it.
People really need to get overit, because either you sit your
cue time or you simply go healeryourself and then, once you've
gone healer and you really don'tenjoy it, fair enough, but then
(14:13):
you can't complain because ifyou quit whilst you're playing
healer like, then you're theproblem as well.
Is what you're stating?
Because no healers are queuingup, but you tried healer, you
didn't like it, you quit, wentback to dps, so you're helping
the healer shortage as well.
You know it's ridiculous.
Plus, yeah, healers just don'twant to be flamed.
(14:35):
There's no point.
It's ridiculous.
If you are a healer in soloshuffle, I recommend turning off
chat genuinely, because there'sno point.
The very little are the commslike useful comms in solo
shuffle?
There is very little usefulcomms in solo shuffle, and it's
ridiculous.
(14:56):
The next one I want to go on issomething that's actually quite
tough for people to understandbut not played since
dragonflight how to pvp gear inthe war within.
I haven't played sincedragonflight, when pvp set bonus
gear was obtained through thevault, but, as I can see, there
is no longer rewards for pvpgear.
So how is it obtainable?
(15:16):
Do I have to do pve content toget pvp set gear bonus or am I
missing something?
I also don't understand all ofthese new currencies required
for upgrading conquest gear.
Is it me or have they forcedpvp players to do pve content in
order to progress and upgradegear?
If anyone is able to advisethat and and the most efficient
(15:37):
way to obtain pvp gear bonus orbonus set and upgrade conquest
gear, it would be muchappreciated, as I'm not sure if
it's changed this season as I'vestarted late in the war with
him, okay, so he's very confusedabout many things, so I'm going
to dissect this.
Firstly, uh, tier sets for pvpcan be obtained through a
(15:58):
catalyst.
This catalyst is located slapbang in the middle of daunagul
and essentially, when you buy aset piece item so head,
shoulders, chest piece, glovesand legs you can like from
conquest you can transform theseinto tier pieces and they will
keep their pvp item level.
That's how you get tier for pvp.
(16:20):
You do not need to upgrade yourconquest gear.
The only reason you upgradeyour gear for pvp gear is if you
are planning to do pve content,okay, pvp gear has a set item
level.
When you go into PvP contentand it will say at the bottom it
will say this item level isincreased to 6, 7, 8, I think.
(16:43):
When entering PvP likebattlegrounds or arenas it will
say that at the bottom of thegear, you do not need to upgrade
it at all.
They're the two main things,because the currencies are
related to upgrading the pvpgear.
So you do not need to worryabout this at all, and I get
that it is somewhat complicatedfor people to coming back to the
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game to understand how to gear.
So to gear for pvp, the bestway to do it is to do
battlegrounds to get your honorset or your honor gear.
Okay, once you have a base on aset or on a full set of honor
gear, then you have two ways ofgetting better gear.
You have through bloody tokens,um and conquest.
(17:28):
Conquest is your highest itemlevel pvp gear.
Okay now, bloody tokens arevery good to get still, because
they are three item levels lowerthan conquest gear, but they
are still very good if you canmanage to get it throughout the
um time that you're gettingconquest gear.
Yeah, does that, because it's alot better than honor gear.
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And the way that you get bloodytokens is there will be a quest
in dawn of gold near the pvpvendors in that sort of um
courtyard area, and he willoffer a quest to go to a certain
zone and earn uh sparks of war,and these sparks you need a
hundred of them.
Get a hundred by doing openingchests, doing uh world quests,
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killing the opposite faction inthe zone, and then you come back
and essentially, you hand inthis quest and it will give you
a bit of honor as well asconquest and bloody tokens.
This is how you earn this gear.
Now, with conquest gear, youcan earn this doing rated
content, so rated arenas, ratedbattlegrounds.
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You could do solo shuffle.
You could do many differentthings.
These are the ways that youearn gear in PvP for the War
Within.
I hope that cleared it up alittle bit.
But yeah, some people get veryconfused when it comes to PvP
and I hope that this helpedanyone sort of gearing.
It's quite a simple processonce you understand.
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Now obviously there are moreintricate things like getting
your embellishments, so yourcrafted gear, but that's a
little bit more tedious to doand I would honestly recommend
getting a guide up for thatbecause it's I can explain it,
but you would still be confusedif I explain it because it
(19:22):
sounds so weird on how to do it.
Um, but yeah, you essentiallyget your mats and then you send
in a crafting order for acertain ring neck, whatever you
might want to make, and thisperson will make it for you.
That's simple, but you need acouple things you need a missive
, you need the embellishment,you need the tokens to upgrade
(19:45):
it for pvp item level and stufflike that.
So it's best to honestly justlook up a guide.
I think super tease orsomething has one um like from
dragonflight or the war within.
That will help you understandthat sort of aspect of gearing
the crafted pieces.
The last one I want to do ismore of a newer or new slash
(20:08):
returning player kind of content.
So picking up healer class,slash spec.
Hi there everyone.
I know that we're already deepwithin season two at the war
with him.
However, I am considering aboutbecoming a healer in five man
content.
This is good.
We always like healers.
We always need more healers.
I already have three classes,capped at 80 paladin, monk and
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druid.
However, I have yet to decidewhich one I would be playing.
I also realize that monks andpaladins required to be in melee
range to do damage.
This is mandatory these days,be it recover mana or even dish
out some damage.
This fact gave me some anxiety,so any tips, advice, insight on
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the matter is welcome.
Best regards everyone.
So firstly, for druids as well,you've got to be within melee.
Um, because you go feral, I'mpretty sure, or damage wise, you
don't do masses of damage as ahealer in pve content and pvp
unless you're a disc priest,mainly now for shamans and stuff
(21:15):
.
You're gonna have stuff thatautomatically deals damage, like
your surging totem with acidrain.
You're going to naturally bedoing damage with the acid rain
talent when you put your surgingtotem down, but honestly it
isn't masses.
So if you would rather justenjoy playing healer, you can
just heal.
Normally, you do not have to dothe damage unless you're doing
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really really high mythic pluskeys.
Okay.
So enjoy the game as you wantto enjoy it, and it is not
mandatory in any way to dodamage as a healer in super high
keys.
Yes, it is always beneficialand it will always be beneficial
, but it is not a mandatoryrequirement.
(21:58):
I'm glad that people are lookingto pick up healers because they
are very difficult to play inboth PvE and PvP content.
Now, pve content, I find it alot more enjoyable to do damage
whilst I'm healing because therecan be a lot of downtime when
it comes to just raw healing inPVE content, as tanks are quite
(22:18):
sustainable by themselves.
If the DPS don't stand in shit,you don't really have a lot to
heal, and boss mechanics will doAoE damage.
They're kind of your moments toshine, but that's about it.
As for, like any of theseclasses, monk and Paladin, both
are melee as well, but you havea lot of classes that aren't so.
(22:39):
If you're looking at Shaman,you're looking at Disc Priest,
you're looking at Holy Priest,whatever healing Evoker these
are all sort of caster healingclasses and these caster healing
DPS classes I would say they dodamage by casting.
I should say they don't dohealing by casting.
I should say not by um, theydon't do healing by casting.
Every healer does that.
But uh, these are the ones thatyou might want to look into if
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you are worried about being amelee sort of healer, um, trying
to do damage, because evokerhas your fire breath, you have
your deep breath, you have, youknow, your disintegrates, these
sort of things.
Uh, your disc priest willobviously have mind blast
penances, all of this good stuff.
Holy priest will have yoursmite, elisha or not.
(23:25):
Le resto shamans will have yoursurging totem.
And what was the last one?
Am I crazy?
I didn't.
I think I said all of them.
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sureI've gone through all of the
healers, but essentially, youaren't forced to do damage.
Okay, if you want to purely justbe a healer, just be a healer,
and I would recommend doing that.
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If you are looking to pick uphealing, I'd recommend that you
pick up the basics of thehealing, as it were.
Um, rather than try and focuson doing damage as a healer, you
want to get your healingrotation down before you start
implementing damage into thisrotation.
It just makes it a lot easierand something to focus on from
the start, essentially.
(24:06):
So I really hope that thissomewhat helps, but I would
recommend just taking it slow.
Focus on your healing rotationfirst, and then you can move
into the like okay, how do Ioptimize it fully now?
How do I really optimize it?
Oh, okay, this will do a bitmore damage.
You find the sort of breakingpoints of I can use lay on hands
when someone's 20 in this bossfight, kind of deal.
(24:29):
You know, um, if they're low,if there's no damage, okay, the
boss has just done his aoeeveryone's super low, but I know
that there's no damage.
Okay, the boss has just donehis AoE Everyone's super low,
but I know that there's nodamage coming out now.
So I have time to top everyoneup, kind of deal.
So it's about learning theseintricate things before you can
really go for your damage,because you're not going to
actively win a key by doing thatextra bit of damage.
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It's so, so rare that you would.
So I'd recommend honestly, thatJust do your healing, focus on
that first.
Focus on the break points ofcertain classes, of certain
abilities that you can use totop someone up.
But I'd recommend that firstand then go into the damage, and
this can be said for any sortof thing, like even PvP.
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I'd recommend going on yourdamage rotation first, then you
look at your cc afterwards andthen your positioning and stuff
like this.
But that is it for this episode.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
Do check out all of the socialsdown below constant stuff
happening as well as etsy,constant stuff being put up on
there, changing, chopping andchanging all of that.
Thank you all very much onceagain and go goodbye all.
(25:35):
Thank you.
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