June 27, 2025 • 27 mins
We dive into current World of Warcraft Classic controversies and examine the philosophical divide between preservation and accessibility in the game. As the classic ecosystem continues to evolve, we explore the balance changes coming to Mists of Pandaria, the end of Season of Discovery, and why one-button rotations should be implemented in all versions of WoW.
• Weekly events include Charai and The Godfather world bosses, Mists of Pandaria timewalking, and Pact House PvP brawl
• One-button rotation should be implemented in all versions of WoW for accessibility purposes
• Season of Discovery was always meant as a testing ground for Classic Plus features
• Server population issues require merges and better faction balance across all Classic versions
• Most Classic changes come from player feedback, including solutions to world buff purging
• Mists of Pandaria Classic balance changes aim to prevent massive class disparities due to launching with patch 5.4 systems
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
Thank you, hello and welcome to the Pig and Whistle
Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle, in installment I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft.
I grab a bottle or a pint, sitback and enjoy this episode.
(01:08):
We're going to be going overclassic.
Mainly, we're going to belooking at a few things that are
concerning the player base orwhat might be getting them in
uproar, annoying them, upsettingthem or is actually, you know,
quite looked on positively.
This means that we're going tobe looking through the forums.
I'm going to be giving myopinions on certain things.
(01:28):
If it's a good idea, bad idea,indifferent, etc.
Etc.
And yeah, that's um kind of themain gist of it really.
But, as always, we start offwith the weekly news.
We have charai as the worldboss for the week this is
located within hallowful as wellas the godfather, who is
(01:48):
located within the undermine.
You have missa pandaria timewalking as your bonus event for
the week alongside time walkingdungeons.
This means that you get bothmissa pandaria time walking, um
and the.
The War Within Dungeon is yourbonus event as well, and this
(02:09):
means that you get more loot fordoing these dungeons as well,
and then you have Pact House,which is your brawl for the week
.
Pact House is a 15 versus 15PvP event where you are all
slammed into an arena, basically, and the first team to you know
(02:30):
, beat the other team, kill therest of the other team wins.
It's very simple, veryeffective and, honestly, it's
quite.
It's more enjoyable as a casterI will say that, but I think
it's one of the most enjoyablerules that I play, basically
because I just love the arenasetting, I love how simple it is
(02:51):
and I love just how simple thisgame mode is, but it's on the
more fun side of the Spectrumfor it all.
So let's jump straight into it.
We'll start off by doing thisforum post.
This one is actually quitesimple, but people overlook it
(03:15):
and don't necessarily want it.
But I don't get why.
So one button rotation for allof wow classic.
Now you might be sitting thereand thinking, wait, why would
they do that?
That's ridiculous.
Like that just takes all of WoWClassic.
Now you might be sitting thereand thinking, wait, why would
they do that?
That's ridiculous.
Like that just takes all of thefun out of the game.
I agree to a certain point.
I think that one buttonrotation shouldn't do anything
(03:38):
in terms of it's really tough.
I think it needs to be in thegame, and this is the main
reason why I know it's a hottopic, but I see, but I see the
actual need.
My hands don't work the waythat they used to, or ever since
I got sick nearly two years ago, while I usually wasn't a top
(03:59):
player, it happened on occasions, though I was never this, this
bad.
The joint pain and stiffness,combined with the shakes in my
hand, make it hard to play.
Well, no, this isn't intendedto set the pot.
It's about accessibility, and Icompletely agree.
I think that the one buttonrotation is needed for
(04:21):
accessibility purposes.
I think it's really, reallyneeded for accessibility
purposes.
I think it's really reallyneeded For accessibility
purposes.
And I think that those whoaren't able To play the game To
a decent level Like because ofthese sort of Not disabilities,
but what would the word be forit?
(04:43):
I've forgotten the word for it.
You kind of know what I meanthese challenges Then they the
word before it, I've forgottenthe word for it.
You kind of know what I mean.
Um, these challenges then theyneed all the help that they can
get, and this is what the onebutton rotation does.
It gives that accessibility toplayers and I think that with it
being released in retail and, Ithink, a good version of it
being released in retail, whereit's not going to be better than
(05:08):
a lot of people actuallyplaying their character the way
that they've always played theircharacter I think that it's
fine to do this in classic and Ithink that this is both for
classic Mists of Pandaria, whichis is releasing, as well as
Classic Classic.
I think the one-button rotation,even though a lot of the
(05:29):
classes are one-button alreadyneed to be in the game just for
accessibility purposes.
If people find it a lot easierto utilise their class or spec
with this button, then I thinkthat it should be put in every
version of WoW.
I genuinely do, and I get thatit's going to be tougher in like
a classic classic versionbecause you're using one button
(05:52):
already.
It's just going to be a bitmore of a global cooldown.
But the global cooldown anywayis not going to affect you in
classic, like classic, becauseyour spells take three seconds
to cast and the global cooldownis always one second.
So you know it's not gonnabreak the game really.
You're still gonna be able todo the same dps and, let's face
(06:12):
it, classic raiding is very much.
Oh, I'm just meleeing the mobas a warrior, or oh, I'm just
pressing frostbolt as a mage.
You know, it's nothing that'stoo intense.
I don't see the problem inadding this into every single
wow for accessibility purposes.
I think that it would be veryuseful, and those who can't play
need the help in order to do so, and I think that it's
(06:37):
perfectly fine for this to bereleased.
And I know some people aregoing to sit there and be like,
oh no, but that wasn't in truevanilla world of warcraft.
Okay, yeah, great.
So I'm really glad that you'regoing to not allow people to
play because you know they havea tough time playing the game
because of a certain disabilityor they find it tough to, you
(07:00):
know, use their hands to play,or whatever it might be, and
they might have a challenginglike challenging time in playing
it.
But because it wasn't inoriginal world of warcraft, you
don't want it there.
Yeah, no, that's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's like the um colorblind uh,all over again.
There were people back in whenclassic was going to re-release
(07:21):
back in 2019.
They added a colorblind feature, which is great.
It it needed to be there fromthe very start.
It really really did.
Um, but the fact that peoplewere up in complaining about a
colorblind mode in vanillabecause it wasn't there in 2004
is absolutely ludicrous.
(07:43):
It really is.
People need the accessibilityin order to play wow and this
accommodates for that.
So, yeah, this is a short one,like short uh forum post, but I
think it needed to be addressedbecause I think it's not a bad
idea.
I genuinely think it's a goodidea if they added the one
button rotation in.
(08:03):
I really really do.
Next one is a bit different.
This one is someone ranting, asalways, as most of the posts
are on the forums, but let's goover it.
Worst decision is what this isposted as Killing Sod in its
prime.
A version of the game belovedby many in this community is
(08:26):
such a travesty Best of wow I'veever played.
Yes, phase one to four was abumpy ride, okay, but since
faith phase five through eight,it's been smooth and the best
wow ever has been in a classicsetting, and more more.
Firstly, I want to address thatif over half of the release of a
(08:47):
game or of like a expansion ora re-release of wow, it would
get slaughtered, okay, and, andseason of discovery has been
slaughtered because of the phaseone to four.
Um, it wasn't great.
And the reason it wasn't greatwas because of the levels.
(09:09):
Okay, level 25 being your maxlevel not amazing.
You don't really have a lot ofum stuff that you can utilize.
Then it was level 40, thenlevel 50 and then obviously max
level at the end, but it wasn'tamazing.
It really really wasn't, andthat's why it wasn't great,
because of them level caps.
Now they did get better andthey got better through phase
(09:32):
five to eight and this is thereason that they did was because
of the newer content that theyreleased.
Obviously, you have blackfathom deeps released as a raid
and gnome regon, all of thatstuff.
But, um, you have scarletenclave, you have the karazhan
crypts, you have nax, ramus,hard modes.
(09:54):
All of these things came atlater phases and these made the
game a bit more enjoyable andsort of they could balance it
around these runes that you allhad.
So this is why it was a bitmore enjoyable.
Moppet will not have a lastingpower and they will lose more
subs than they would have keptwith keeping Sod alive.
(10:16):
I think that MOP has morepotential to hold subscriptions
than the Season of Discovery,and I believe that Mists of
Pandaria is a very solidexpansion.
I don't believe that it wouldbleed subscriptions.
No matter what version of WoWis your favourite, there will
always be people that areleaving their subscriptions.
(10:37):
Okay, this is classic.
This is classic classic.
This is retail.
This is retail.
This isn't a discovery.
There comes a point in wow, inthat person's journey playing
the game, where they're likeyeah, I'm kind of done with it,
so I'm just gonna, um, take astep back and cancel my
subscription for a bit and comeback at a later date when a new
(10:57):
expansion releases or somethingalong them lines.
Um, which is fine, like, thatis completely fine.
But there will always be peoplewho lose it or end their
subscription because they'rejust done with the game for a
bit, and I don't think it'sbecause of the expansion itself.
Sometimes it is.
(11:18):
Which is fine, that's perfectlyfine.
I'm going to accept thatSometimes people don't enjoy
Cataclysm and Classics the onlything they like.
So it's like oh, okay, well,there's no point in me carrying
on, I'll come back when Mists ofPandaria releases or whatever,
which is completely fine, to doLike I'm not against that at all
, but to say that it's going tobleed subscriptions and that
(11:41):
they're going to lose more substhan it would have keeping
season of discovery live.
I don't think so.
I think that you're going tolook at a worse wow experience
overall if you keep season ofdiscovery alive.
The reason I'm saying this isbecause they have stated that
they wanted to move on tobasically classic plus.
Classic plus is what is goingto be the next version of wow
(12:03):
that releases when classic goesinto the burning crusade again.
Okay now, the difference hereis that if you keep kept season
of discovery alive, you willhave retail, classic, missa,
pandaria, classic classic tbc,season of discovery and then
(12:24):
classic plus.
You have five different worldof warcrafts, all with different
uh realms, so that you're alsosplit up even further in terms
of realms and stuff, all withdifferent layers within these
realms.
So, again, further split up andit's just too much.
You're splitting the playerbase too much, like when wow was
(12:45):
retail, only retail.
What world of warcraft wouldyou play and what world of
warcraft would you see everyonebeing played?
It would be retail again.
You have private servers at thetime, but I don't know.
It wasn't quite the sameexperience.
Some people found it enjoyable,which is fine.
And then when classic released,it's like, oh, that's cool, I
get to play retail and classic,I can pick and choose which one
(13:07):
I want to play on a daily basis.
I I don't mind that, that's anenjoyable thing that I can do
and sort of manage my time onboth.
And then classic gets, uh,keeps going forward into tbc,
into wrath of the lich king, andthen they're like, oh, you know
, we're gonna keep.
Or obviously when they wentinto tbc, it's we're gonna keep
(13:29):
classic realms open.
And it's like, yeah, that'scool, okay, so a third split,
that's fine, they won't doanything else.
And then down the line, downthe pipework, they kind of went
oh yeah, now we're doing this uhkind of experimental mode as
season of discovery, and it'slike, oh, okay, that's
(13:50):
interesting.
So what, you just play classic,but you have some retail like
runes.
Okay, I'm kind of down for that.
That sounds like a cool idea aslike a seasonal thing, kind of
like Diablo, where they havemultiple seasonal things.
Yeah, that's a cool idea.
I think that's good.
(14:11):
But again, that's for World ofWarcraft now all with their own
different realms, differentfactions.
Obviously You've got Horde andAlliance, so you're going to be
further split up in thatdirection and it just kept
getting more and more split.
So I don't think that keepingsod alive was always going to be
a good idea.
I think that sod always wasgoing to be a testing, testing
(14:37):
ground for what they can andcan't do in a classic setting.
Think of it as garrisons inwarlords of draenor.
They are very much a firstiteration of garrisons.
Well, if you want to be super,uh, you know crazy about it,
garrisons, uh, the firstiteration was kind of half hill
(14:58):
in missa, pandaria, where youhad your own like farm.
Okay, that was kind of the very, very first iteration of
garrisons, even though it's onlya small farm.
Um, but yeah, that's kind ofwhat season discovery was to me
from the start.
It's a testing ground forpotential things going forward,
rather than its own wow foreverkind of deal.
(15:21):
Yeah, does that make sense?
I get that some people loved it,but I think that they will come
back with a better version ofClassic Plus.
Okay, I think that they will,and I think it will be more
populated than what Season ofDiscovery ever was.
Okay, and that's my honestopinion on that.
This guy carries on.
(15:41):
The crazy thing is now thatthey are making classic plus,
apparently like you have itright there, uh, and you just
had to keep developing it andlaunch a fresh version every two
years.
Okay, great, so now we're backto relaunch fresh, relaunch
classic, relaunch season ofdiscovery.
No, it's ridiculous, that isstupid.
(16:02):
Okay, I get that you want torelaunch it every year, but what
if people enjoy theircharacters after two years of
progression?
You know, it's one of themthings.
Some people like the real, realend game of classic wow, and
they like having all of the gearand then they'd like just
running around plaguelands doingsome nax, ramus raids, um, and
then it's like, yep, we'rereleasing classic again and then
(16:23):
that server dies off and theyhave to do it all again and they
don't want to that kind of deal.
Um, okay, back to this, bamdone instead.
Now classic plus will have tobe better than season of
discovery.
I think it will, um, and itwill be compared to it every way
.
Talk about shooting yourself inthe foot Again.
I think that Season ofDiscovery is very much a
(16:45):
stepping stone for Classic Plus.
I genuinely believe that and Ithink that Classic Plus will do
a lot better than Season ofDiscovery.
At a minimum, they should mergeSeason of Discovery servers now
, okay, this one I don'tdisagree with.
I think that they need to mergemore servers in all of the
world of warcraft, just sayingum and or allow for new
(17:08):
characters to be made of anyfaction.
Uh, they not only killed it butstill restrict who and what
characters can be made.
I can't even get friends ontoalliance on Crusader Strike to
play with Insanity.
Rant over, do better.
Well, the rant wasn't over,because you said do better at
(17:29):
the end.
But you know, I think that, yes, they should merge the servers,
and I think that this is trueon all the classic versions of
WoW as well.
I genuinely think that.
But I believe that the classbalance or the race no faction
(17:50):
balance on the server needs tohappen as well, mainly because
you see these servers and,depending on if they're going to
be a PvE or PvP server, you aregoing to need the faction
balance for it to be a decentserver or not, because I cannot
tell you how bad it is to be ona full horde or full alliance
(18:13):
server and you're trying tolevel the opposite faction but
you just get killed whileleveling.
Well, when you hit thatstranglethorn veil level, you
get killed by a rogue or a mageor whatever it might be.
That's 30 levels higher thanyou.
And then it's like, ah well,that was fun.
But even when you want to tryand like do anything about it,
(18:36):
you can't because there's justan.
You're just overwhelmed by theamount of numbers that there are
of, like horde compared toalliance or alliance compared to
horde and stuff.
So it needs to keep the factionbalance.
It really does.
I get that you can't play withyour friends but make a horde
character with you know whycan't you do that?
Because that might be somethingthat they want to do or like a
(18:57):
different kind of experience.
But that way you get to playwith your friend.
Does that make sense?
And I get that you might wantto play a lion and all of that,
but surely playing with yourfriend takes more precedent here
rather than just, oh, I want toplay a human instead, or a
gnome or a night elf, dwarf, youknow all of that.
So it kind of makes sense.
Just to bite the bullet, playHorde and, you know, enjoy the
(19:19):
time with your friends, although, unless you can't on the same
realm, because classic doesn'tallow you to make Horde and
Alliance characters, do forgetabout that sometimes.
So it isn't great.
Actually, I think on Season ofDiscovery you can no, I'm pretty
sure on season of discovery youcan.
So you're more than welcome tomake a horde character and play
that with your friends, um, butyeah, I, I think that classic
(19:42):
plus will be better than seasonof discovery.
I genuinely do.
And I think that it's going tobe needed to shut down Season of
Discovery and I thought thatfrom the start people knew that
it was going to just be.
Yeah, this is a very seasonalsort of realm, hence the name
(20:06):
Season of Discovery.
It's very much a testinggrounds for classic and what
they can and can't do, I wouldsay.
And then last one I'm going tomake this very short and sweet
is because I've gone over thisbefore what exactly caused them
to pivot away from no changesand give us these versions with
(20:27):
big changes.
So this person is clearlyreferring to the Misa Pandaria
changes that have happened rightnow.
They have stated exactly whythese changes have gone through
and I will reiterate them here.
The changes that have been madeon Misa Pandaria have been
mainly due to balancing issues.
(20:50):
So balancing issues in MisaPand Pandaria fluctuated a lot,
okay, and they fluctuatedthroughout all of the classic
pluses or classics at the moment, classic TBC, wrath of the Lich
King and Cataclysm All of themfluctuate in terms of what is
viable for a raid okay, or whatis more viable for a raid.
(21:10):
And what they have done isthey've looked at the balance in
, looked at the stuff at the endof mr pandaria, because it is a
ending patch of mr pandaria,it's not the starting patch, and
they've, um, obviouslyaccounted for nerfs, buffs and
all of that going into the firstraid, when it's going to be
completely different.
When the first raid, when it'sgoing to be completely different
(21:31):
.
When the first raid releases,you're on patch 4.1.
Yeah, because this is Mists ofPandaria, 4.1, we'll say, or was
it 5.1.
Probably 5.1.
I think it was 5.1.
This is Mists of Pandaria,first raid 5.1.
We are starting on 5.4.
Okay, and the changes from thattime, which is over the course
(21:56):
of nearly two years, are goingto be significant in the damage
that you can do in the firstraid when it is released.
So they are changing these toaccount for all of the changes
that happened throughout missapandaria leading to that final
raid, and they have stated thatthese changes should even
themselves out by the time weget to Siege of Orgrimmar, which
(22:19):
is the final raid of theexpansion.
Okay, this is just due to gear,this is due to scaling, this is
due to everything.
But everything should be in amore fair and even playing field
with the changes.
That is the whole reasonthey've done it.
Instead of you know, warlocksbeing the kings or whatever and
(22:40):
boomkins being so low that youcan barely see them with a
binocular or with binoculars,it's going to be oh,
everything's on even ground,doing similar DPS kind of deal
that make sense.
That is why they changed thesethings.
And again, they changed thingsin Classic for accessibility
purposes or just quality of lifestuff.
(23:01):
A lot of the changes come fromthe player base.
Genuinely, they said that theydidn't want any changes, like
Blizzard.
Now some had to be implemented.
Do not get me wrong colorblindmode and stuff in classic had to
be implemented just foraccessibility purposes.
These are changes that are veryhealthy to the game.
(23:23):
But people um, back in classicwere complaining about their
world buffs and their worldbuffs getting purged.
So they all wanted these peoplewho got world buffs for a
chrono boom to be brought in,basically where you could store
your world buffs.
This is how the chrono boomcame to be and this isn't a
(23:43):
Blizzard change.
This is people wanting thatbecause they couldn't handle
getting purged of their worldbuffs when this is a viable part
of the game.
Okay, there are purges withinworld of warcraft, as a spell
purge being one of them.
You have magic dispel from apriest that obviously dispels
(24:06):
magic, and these are magic buffsthat you get via diamo, via
song flower, via you know all ofthese different things, and
people couldn't accept that.
They got purged and theycomplained about it and they
forced it on the forums forblizzard to do something about
the purging meta, and this iswhere the chrono boom came to be
(24:26):
.
So a lot of the changes do comefrom player base concerns and
you know what is it?
Opinions, thoughts and stufflike that.
That's just the way it is.
That's why it's always been,but that is why changes were
needed and given.
Okay, I'm not going to go intothe whole post.
There's reasons why thesethings happen and the player
(24:49):
base is mainly part of it.
Okay, it really is.
Don't get me wrong.
The mop stuff I think that thatis more blizzard than us, but I
think that they have explainedthe reason why they are doing it
and I can understand and agreewhy they are because there's
going to be nothing worse thanstarting out mr pandaria,
playing the class that you loveand then doing 20k DPS less than
(25:13):
someone who's you know doingtheir complete rotation
insufficiently and badly.
It's.
It's not as fun because you'relike I can do absolutely
everything in my power to tryand be better on the like DPS
meters, but you just can'tbecause of the um patch that
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we're in and all of the nerfsand buffs that have happened
over the course of mr pandaria.
That's all it is, but that iswhere I will end it for this
episode.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
Do check out all of the socialsdown below constant stuff
happening as well as the etsyshop multiple things going up
there constantly.
But thank you all very muchonce again and go with valor
(25:54):
friend.
Goodbye.
Thank you.
Thank you, hello and welcome to the Pig and Whistle
Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle, in installment I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft.
I grab a bottle or a pint, sitback and enjoy this episode.
(01:08):
We're going to be going overclassic.
Mainly, we're going to belooking at a few things that are
concerning the player base orwhat might be getting them in
uproar, annoying them, upsettingthem or is actually, you know,
quite looked on positively.
This means that we're going tobe looking through the forums.
I'm going to be giving myopinions on certain things.
(01:28):
If it's a good idea, bad idea,indifferent, etc.
Etc.
And yeah, that's um kind of themain gist of it really.
But, as always, we start offwith the weekly news.
We have charai as the worldboss for the week this is
located within hallowful as wellas the godfather, who is
(01:48):
located within the undermine.
You have missa pandaria timewalking as your bonus event for
the week alongside time walkingdungeons.
This means that you get bothmissa pandaria time walking, um
and the.
The War Within Dungeon is yourbonus event as well, and this
(02:09):
means that you get more loot fordoing these dungeons as well,
and then you have Pact House,which is your brawl for the week
.
Pact House is a 15 versus 15PvP event where you are all
slammed into an arena, basically, and the first team to you know
(02:30):
, beat the other team, kill therest of the other team wins.
It's very simple, veryeffective and, honestly, it's
quite.
It's more enjoyable as a casterI will say that, but I think
it's one of the most enjoyablerules that I play, basically
because I just love the arenasetting, I love how simple it is
(02:51):
and I love just how simple thisgame mode is, but it's on the
more fun side of the Spectrumfor it all.
So let's jump straight into it.
We'll start off by doing thisforum post.
This one is actually quitesimple, but people overlook it
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and don't necessarily want it.
But I don't get why.
So one button rotation for allof wow classic.
Now you might be sitting thereand thinking, wait, why would
they do that?
That's ridiculous.
Like that just takes all of WoWClassic.
Now you might be sitting thereand thinking, wait, why would
they do that?
That's ridiculous.
Like that just takes all of thefun out of the game.
I agree to a certain point.
I think that one buttonrotation shouldn't do anything
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in terms of it's really tough.
I think it needs to be in thegame, and this is the main
reason why I know it's a hottopic, but I see, but I see the
actual need.
My hands don't work the waythat they used to, or ever since
I got sick nearly two years ago, while I usually wasn't a top
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player, it happened on occasions, though I was never this, this
bad.
The joint pain and stiffness,combined with the shakes in my
hand, make it hard to play.
Well, no, this isn't intendedto set the pot.
It's about accessibility, and Icompletely agree.
I think that the one buttonrotation is needed for
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accessibility purposes.
I think it's really, reallyneeded for accessibility
purposes.
I think it's really reallyneeded For accessibility
purposes.
And I think that those whoaren't able To play the game To
a decent level Like because ofthese sort of Not disabilities,
but what would the word be forit?
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I've forgotten the word for it.
You kind of know what I meanthese challenges Then they the
word before it, I've forgottenthe word for it.
You kind of know what I mean.
Um, these challenges then theyneed all the help that they can
get, and this is what the onebutton rotation does.
It gives that accessibility toplayers and I think that with it
being released in retail and, Ithink, a good version of it
being released in retail, whereit's not going to be better than
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a lot of people actuallyplaying their character the way
that they've always played theircharacter I think that it's
fine to do this in classic and Ithink that this is both for
classic Mists of Pandaria, whichis is releasing, as well as
Classic Classic.
I think the one-button rotation,even though a lot of the
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classes are one-button alreadyneed to be in the game just for
accessibility purposes.
If people find it a lot easierto utilise their class or spec
with this button, then I thinkthat it should be put in every
version of WoW.
I genuinely do, and I get thatit's going to be tougher in like
a classic classic versionbecause you're using one button
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already.
It's just going to be a bitmore of a global cooldown.
But the global cooldown anywayis not going to affect you in
classic, like classic, becauseyour spells take three seconds
to cast and the global cooldownis always one second.
So you know it's not gonnabreak the game really.
You're still gonna be able todo the same dps and, let's face
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it, classic raiding is very much.
Oh, I'm just meleeing the mobas a warrior, or oh, I'm just
pressing frostbolt as a mage.
You know, it's nothing that'stoo intense.
I don't see the problem inadding this into every single
wow for accessibility purposes.
I think that it would be veryuseful, and those who can't play
need the help in order to do so, and I think that it's
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perfectly fine for this to bereleased.
And I know some people aregoing to sit there and be like,
oh no, but that wasn't in truevanilla world of warcraft.
Okay, yeah, great.
So I'm really glad that you'regoing to not allow people to
play because you know they havea tough time playing the game
because of a certain disabilityor they find it tough to, you
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know, use their hands to play,or whatever it might be, and
they might have a challenginglike challenging time in playing
it.
But because it wasn't inoriginal world of warcraft, you
don't want it there.
Yeah, no, that's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's like the um colorblind uh,all over again.
There were people back in whenclassic was going to re-release
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back in 2019.
They added a colorblind feature, which is great.
It it needed to be there fromthe very start.
It really really did.
Um, but the fact that peoplewere up in complaining about a
colorblind mode in vanillabecause it wasn't there in 2004
is absolutely ludicrous.
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It really is.
People need the accessibilityin order to play wow and this
accommodates for that.
So, yeah, this is a short one,like short uh forum post, but I
think it needed to be addressedbecause I think it's not a bad
idea.
I genuinely think it's a goodidea if they added the one
button rotation in.
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I really really do.
Next one is a bit different.
This one is someone ranting, asalways, as most of the posts
are on the forums, but let's goover it.
Worst decision is what this isposted as Killing Sod in its
prime.
A version of the game belovedby many in this community is
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such a travesty Best of wow I'veever played.
Yes, phase one to four was abumpy ride, okay, but since
faith phase five through eight,it's been smooth and the best
wow ever has been in a classicsetting, and more more.
Firstly, I want to address thatif over half of the release of a
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game or of like a expansion ora re-release of wow, it would
get slaughtered, okay, and, andseason of discovery has been
slaughtered because of the phaseone to four.
Um, it wasn't great.
And the reason it wasn't greatwas because of the levels.
(09:09):
Okay, level 25 being your maxlevel not amazing.
You don't really have a lot ofum stuff that you can utilize.
Then it was level 40, thenlevel 50 and then obviously max
level at the end, but it wasn'tamazing.
It really really wasn't, andthat's why it wasn't great,
because of them level caps.
Now they did get better andthey got better through phase
(09:32):
five to eight and this is thereason that they did was because
of the newer content that theyreleased.
Obviously, you have blackfathom deeps released as a raid
and gnome regon, all of thatstuff.
But, um, you have scarletenclave, you have the karazhan
crypts, you have nax, ramus,hard modes.
(09:54):
All of these things came atlater phases and these made the
game a bit more enjoyable andsort of they could balance it
around these runes that you allhad.
So this is why it was a bitmore enjoyable.
Moppet will not have a lastingpower and they will lose more
subs than they would have keptwith keeping Sod alive.
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I think that MOP has morepotential to hold subscriptions
than the Season of Discovery,and I believe that Mists of
Pandaria is a very solidexpansion.
I don't believe that it wouldbleed subscriptions.
No matter what version of WoWis your favourite, there will
always be people that areleaving their subscriptions.
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Okay, this is classic.
This is classic classic.
This is retail.
This is retail.
This isn't a discovery.
There comes a point in wow, inthat person's journey playing
the game, where they're likeyeah, I'm kind of done with it,
so I'm just gonna, um, take astep back and cancel my
subscription for a bit and comeback at a later date when a new
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expansion releases or somethingalong them lines.
Um, which is fine, like, thatis completely fine.
But there will always be peoplewho lose it or end their
subscription because they'rejust done with the game for a
bit, and I don't think it'sbecause of the expansion itself.
Sometimes it is.
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Which is fine, that's perfectlyfine.
I'm going to accept thatSometimes people don't enjoy
Cataclysm and Classics the onlything they like.
So it's like oh, okay, well,there's no point in me carrying
on, I'll come back when Mists ofPandaria releases or whatever,
which is completely fine, to doLike I'm not against that at all
, but to say that it's going tobleed subscriptions and that
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they're going to lose more substhan it would have keeping
season of discovery live.
I don't think so.
I think that you're going tolook at a worse wow experience
overall if you keep season ofdiscovery alive.
The reason I'm saying this isbecause they have stated that
they wanted to move on tobasically classic plus.
Classic plus is what is goingto be the next version of wow
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that releases when classic goesinto the burning crusade again.
Okay now, the difference hereis that if you keep kept season
of discovery alive, you willhave retail, classic, missa,
pandaria, classic classic tbc,season of discovery and then
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classic plus.
You have five different worldof warcrafts, all with different
uh realms, so that you're alsosplit up even further in terms
of realms and stuff, all withdifferent layers within these
realms.
So, again, further split up andit's just too much.
You're splitting the playerbase too much, like when wow was
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retail, only retail.
What world of warcraft wouldyou play and what world of
warcraft would you see everyonebeing played?
It would be retail again.
You have private servers at thetime, but I don't know.
It wasn't quite the sameexperience.
Some people found it enjoyable,which is fine.
And then when classic released,it's like, oh, that's cool, I
get to play retail and classic,I can pick and choose which one
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I want to play on a daily basis.
I I don't mind that, that's anenjoyable thing that I can do
and sort of manage my time onboth.
And then classic gets, uh,keeps going forward into tbc,
into wrath of the lich king, andthen they're like, oh, you know
, we're gonna keep.
Or obviously when they wentinto tbc, it's we're gonna keep
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classic realms open.
And it's like, yeah, that'scool, okay, so a third split,
that's fine, they won't doanything else.
And then down the line, downthe pipework, they kind of went
oh yeah, now we're doing this uhkind of experimental mode as
season of discovery, and it'slike, oh, okay, that's
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interesting.
So what, you just play classic,but you have some retail like
runes.
Okay, I'm kind of down for that.
That sounds like a cool idea aslike a seasonal thing, kind of
like Diablo, where they havemultiple seasonal things.
Yeah, that's a cool idea.
I think that's good.
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But again, that's for World ofWarcraft now all with their own
different realms, differentfactions.
Obviously You've got Horde andAlliance, so you're going to be
further split up in thatdirection and it just kept
getting more and more split.
So I don't think that keepingsod alive was always going to be
a good idea.
I think that sod always wasgoing to be a testing, testing
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ground for what they can andcan't do in a classic setting.
Think of it as garrisons inwarlords of draenor.
They are very much a firstiteration of garrisons.
Well, if you want to be super,uh, you know crazy about it,
garrisons, uh, the firstiteration was kind of half hill
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in missa, pandaria, where youhad your own like farm.
Okay, that was kind of the very, very first iteration of
garrisons, even though it's onlya small farm.
Um, but yeah, that's kind ofwhat season discovery was to me
from the start.
It's a testing ground forpotential things going forward,
rather than its own wow foreverkind of deal.
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Yeah, does that make sense?
I get that some people loved it,but I think that they will come
back with a better version ofClassic Plus.
Okay, I think that they will,and I think it will be more
populated than what Season ofDiscovery ever was.
Okay, and that's my honestopinion on that.
This guy carries on.
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The crazy thing is now thatthey are making classic plus,
apparently like you have itright there, uh, and you just
had to keep developing it andlaunch a fresh version every two
years.
Okay, great, so now we're backto relaunch fresh, relaunch
classic, relaunch season ofdiscovery.
No, it's ridiculous, that isstupid.
(16:02):
Okay, I get that you want torelaunch it every year, but what
if people enjoy theircharacters after two years of
progression?
You know, it's one of themthings.
Some people like the real, realend game of classic wow, and
they like having all of the gearand then they'd like just
running around plaguelands doingsome nax, ramus raids, um, and
then it's like, yep, we'rereleasing classic again and then
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that server dies off and theyhave to do it all again and they
don't want to that kind of deal.
Um, okay, back to this, bamdone instead.
Now classic plus will have tobe better than season of
discovery.
I think it will, um, and itwill be compared to it every way
.
Talk about shooting yourself inthe foot Again.
I think that Season ofDiscovery is very much a
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stepping stone for Classic Plus.
I genuinely believe that and Ithink that Classic Plus will do
a lot better than Season ofDiscovery.
At a minimum, they should mergeSeason of Discovery servers now
, okay, this one I don'tdisagree with.
I think that they need to mergemore servers in all of the
world of warcraft, just sayingum and or allow for new
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characters to be made of anyfaction.
Uh, they not only killed it butstill restrict who and what
characters can be made.
I can't even get friends ontoalliance on Crusader Strike to
play with Insanity.
Rant over, do better.
Well, the rant wasn't over,because you said do better at
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the end.
But you know, I think that, yes, they should merge the servers,
and I think that this is trueon all the classic versions of
WoW as well.
I genuinely think that.
But I believe that the classbalance or the race no faction
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balance on the server needs tohappen as well, mainly because
you see these servers and,depending on if they're going to
be a PvE or PvP server, you aregoing to need the faction
balance for it to be a decentserver or not, because I cannot
tell you how bad it is to be ona full horde or full alliance
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server and you're trying tolevel the opposite faction but
you just get killed whileleveling.
Well, when you hit thatstranglethorn veil level, you
get killed by a rogue or a mageor whatever it might be.
That's 30 levels higher thanyou.
And then it's like, ah well,that was fun.
But even when you want to tryand like do anything about it,
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you can't because there's justan.
You're just overwhelmed by theamount of numbers that there are
of, like horde compared toalliance or alliance compared to
horde and stuff.
So it needs to keep the factionbalance.
It really does.
I get that you can't play withyour friends but make a horde
character with you know whycan't you do that?
Because that might be somethingthat they want to do or like a
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different kind of experience.
But that way you get to playwith your friend.
Does that make sense?
And I get that you might wantto play a lion and all of that,
but surely playing with yourfriend takes more precedent here
rather than just, oh, I want toplay a human instead, or a
gnome or a night elf, dwarf, youknow all of that.
So it kind of makes sense.
Just to bite the bullet, playHorde and, you know, enjoy the
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time with your friends, although, unless you can't on the same
realm, because classic doesn'tallow you to make Horde and
Alliance characters, do forgetabout that sometimes.
So it isn't great.
Actually, I think on Season ofDiscovery you can no, I'm pretty
sure on season of discovery youcan.
So you're more than welcome tomake a horde character and play
that with your friends, um, butyeah, I, I think that classic
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plus will be better than seasonof discovery.
I genuinely do.
And I think that it's going tobe needed to shut down Season of
Discovery and I thought thatfrom the start people knew that
it was going to just be.
Yeah, this is a very seasonalsort of realm, hence the name
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Season of Discovery.
It's very much a testinggrounds for classic and what
they can and can't do, I wouldsay.
And then last one I'm going tomake this very short and sweet
is because I've gone over thisbefore what exactly caused them
to pivot away from no changesand give us these versions with
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big changes.
So this person is clearlyreferring to the Misa Pandaria
changes that have happened rightnow.
They have stated exactly whythese changes have gone through
and I will reiterate them here.
The changes that have been madeon Misa Pandaria have been
mainly due to balancing issues.
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So balancing issues in MisaPand Pandaria fluctuated a lot,
okay, and they fluctuatedthroughout all of the classic
pluses or classics at the moment, classic TBC, wrath of the Lich
King and Cataclysm All of themfluctuate in terms of what is
viable for a raid okay, or whatis more viable for a raid.
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And what they have done isthey've looked at the balance in
, looked at the stuff at the endof mr pandaria, because it is a
ending patch of mr pandaria,it's not the starting patch, and
they've, um, obviouslyaccounted for nerfs, buffs and
all of that going into the firstraid, when it's going to be
completely different.
When the first raid, when it'sgoing to be completely different
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.
When the first raid releases,you're on patch 4.1.
Yeah, because this is Mists ofPandaria, 4.1, we'll say, or was
it 5.1.
Probably 5.1.
I think it was 5.1.
This is Mists of Pandaria,first raid 5.1.
We are starting on 5.4.
Okay, and the changes from thattime, which is over the course
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of nearly two years, are goingto be significant in the damage
that you can do in the firstraid when it is released.
So they are changing these toaccount for all of the changes
that happened throughout missapandaria leading to that final
raid, and they have stated thatthese changes should even
themselves out by the time weget to Siege of Orgrimmar, which
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is the final raid of theexpansion.
Okay, this is just due to gear,this is due to scaling, this is
due to everything.
But everything should be in amore fair and even playing field
with the changes.
That is the whole reasonthey've done it.
Instead of you know, warlocksbeing the kings or whatever and
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boomkins being so low that youcan barely see them with a
binocular or with binoculars,it's going to be oh,
everything's on even ground,doing similar DPS kind of deal
that make sense.
That is why they changed thesethings.
And again, they changed thingsin Classic for accessibility
purposes or just quality of lifestuff.
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A lot of the changes come fromthe player base.
Genuinely, they said that theydidn't want any changes, like
Blizzard.
Now some had to be implemented.
Do not get me wrong colorblindmode and stuff in classic had to
be implemented just foraccessibility purposes.
These are changes that are veryhealthy to the game.
(23:23):
But people um, back in classicwere complaining about their
world buffs and their worldbuffs getting purged.
So they all wanted these peoplewho got world buffs for a
chrono boom to be brought in,basically where you could store
your world buffs.
This is how the chrono boomcame to be and this isn't a
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Blizzard change.
This is people wanting thatbecause they couldn't handle
getting purged of their worldbuffs when this is a viable part
of the game.
Okay, there are purges withinworld of warcraft, as a spell
purge being one of them.
You have magic dispel from apriest that obviously dispels
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magic, and these are magic buffsthat you get via diamo, via
song flower, via you know all ofthese different things, and
people couldn't accept that.
They got purged and theycomplained about it and they
forced it on the forums forblizzard to do something about
the purging meta, and this iswhere the chrono boom came to be
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.
So a lot of the changes do comefrom player base concerns and
you know what is it?
Opinions, thoughts and stufflike that.
That's just the way it is.
That's why it's always been,but that is why changes were
needed and given.
Okay, I'm not going to go intothe whole post.
There's reasons why thesethings happen and the player
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base is mainly part of it.
Okay, it really is.
Don't get me wrong.
The mop stuff I think that thatis more blizzard than us, but I
think that they have explainedthe reason why they are doing it
and I can understand and agreewhy they are because there's
going to be nothing worse thanstarting out mr pandaria,
playing the class that you loveand then doing 20k DPS less than
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someone who's you know doingtheir complete rotation
insufficiently and badly.
It's.
It's not as fun because you'relike I can do absolutely
everything in my power to tryand be better on the like DPS
meters, but you just can'tbecause of the um patch that
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we're in and all of the nerfsand buffs that have happened
over the course of mr pandaria.
That's all it is, but that iswhere I will end it for this
episode.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
Do check out all of the socialsdown below constant stuff
happening as well as the etsyshop multiple things going up
there constantly.
But thank you all very muchonce again and go with valor
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friend.
Goodbye.
Thank you.
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