June 7, 2025 • 25 mins
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The nostalgia factor of WoW Classic's re-release seems to be fading, with player counts dropping and community debates heating up around various gameplay changes and accessibility features.
• Weekly events include Kordak as the world boss, Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking, and Shadowpan Showdown as the PvP brawl
• Discussing whether Classic WoW's re-release is already struggling with only 10 layers on PvP servers
• Examining the controversy of players flagging honest discussions about Classic's potential failure
• Addressing the debate over "body type" vs "male/female" character options and why accessibility matters
• Exploring why dual spec is indeed a quality of life change that saved players approximately 1000 gold in respec costs
• Clarifying that Blizzard didn't copy the Looking for Group tool from private servers - it's their own simplified version
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
Thank you, hello and welcome to the Pig and Whistle
Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle Inn in Stormwind, I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft, so grab a bottle or apint, sit back and enjoy this
episode.
We'll be looking at moreclassic sort of bits and bobs.
I'm going to be giving mythoughts on it and you know,
seeing what other people arethinking of it at the moment,
(01:16):
and there is a lot that peoplethink of it at the moment.
But yeah, as always, we havethe weekly news.
We have Kordak is your weeklyworld boss for the week.
He is located within oh my god,I was going to say the waking
shore for a moment.
He is located within, not found, dracis.
Why am I thinking ofdragonflight?
(01:36):
Um, zones, why is dragonflightsuddenly popping up into my head
?
I've been doing it for a coupleyears now, so you know.
That's probably why.
Um, let's see, you have ringingdeeps, you have ashkahet, you
have hello fool.
The first zone, the first zoneyou want to go?
No, that's the city.
(01:56):
You know what it's?
In the first zone of the newland.
How I'm?
I've completely blanked.
I have completely blanked.
I don't know, my brain has justnot functioning and given me
the name of that first zone, soapologies for that, but that's
where he is located within thefirst zone.
The bonus event for this weekis Wrath at Time Walking.
(02:19):
This means that you can doWrath Dungeons and get Time
Walking badges in order to buynew Wrath current or gear.
Now, this new gear that hasbeen put into the wrath time
walking is new mounts, pets,weapons, armor, many different
things, so you can actually gothere and get some new bits and
pieces.
You don't have to save it allbecause you've bought everything
(02:42):
from the previous time walkingbadge vendor.
We also have shadow panshowdown as your brawl for the
week.
This is essentially a 6v6 andyou have to kill the enemy
team's boss before they killyours, as well as pvp the enemy
team at the same time.
It's quite cool.
I like it.
It's certainly a different takeon arenas.
(03:06):
Um, I think it's very muchworth testing it out and seeing
how it goes.
We also have void bound andtyrannical actual mythical fixes
for the week.
Void bound a ad will spawn,simply kill it and you get a
nice buff, very simple andtyrannical.
The bosses and the mobs thatthey spawn have increased health
and damage, so bring a talentbuild that can accommodate for
(03:28):
that.
So I want to start off with thispost.
Is it me or does WoW Classicre-release seem like a failure?
Okay, it seems that there-release of Classic doesn't
have the same hype that theoriginal Classic did and a small
fraction of the player base.
Um, I was on the one of the pvpservers today and there were
(03:52):
only 10 layers.
That is insane.
Back when classic came out, ithad multiple servers that, uh,
with that many layers, justseems that, like blizzard should
have done something different.
Because this isn't it.
What does everyone else think?
Now, this is quite a tamecomment, don't you think?
I think this is a relativelytame forum post.
(04:14):
Guess what People have flaggedit.
People have flagged it on theforums and I don't see why.
I'm guessing this is people whoplay classic who don't like the
idea that it's a failure and,to be honest, like I've been
saying, it is somewhat of afailure because they have
(04:36):
screwed over other servers likeclassic era servers.
Um, but yeah, let's see.
Some people will reply.
I agree, definitely feels likefresh servers are finished
before they took off.
There's a couple reasons for thefailure, but the biggest one is
that we're all tired of themonotonous level grind and only
three weeks to get to moltencore that is.
(04:58):
That is simply unrealistic formost adults.
Kind of is uh depends on howlong you can play.
If you can play for a couplehours each night, um, which is
the sort of average uh you get,then probably, yeah, it's
unrealistic to have them couplehours and get to level 60 if you
want to raid and certainly ifyou want to gear as well, um,
(05:21):
adding a pair boost or paidboost is the only way to get
hype going.
Otherwise these servers willprobably just get merged with
era eventually.
Paid boost no, that shouldn't beever in classic even I'm
against that.
I understand paid boosts inretail and stuff.
If you really want to just skipeverything, I think that you,
(05:43):
in order to get a paid boost,you need to already have
levelled a max or a character tomax level.
In order to unlock theopportunity to even pay for a
boost, I think you need to haveactually played the game first.
So I'm not sure why he's sayingthat, but it is what it is.
(06:03):
The sad thing is, with theclassic Era sort of merge.
I think he's right.
I think these will just getmoved into sort of Classic Era
and get put into TBC and thenWrath of the Lich King and stuff
like that, and I don't seethese becoming much of a thing.
They'll just do the same thingthat they did.
(06:24):
Well, this year, in five moreyears time it's like oh, you
want classic, classic, classic.
We hear you like, here you go,um, let's keep going.
So the thing fresh servers wouldhave the same hype as initial
classic launch is just plainfoolish thinking.
Yes, I do agree.
Should they have done anythingelse?
Sure, yes, it is stupid.
(06:47):
Firstly, because classic wasn'treleased for 15 years when they
released classic.
So 2004 was obviously world ofwarcraft's release and they
released classic in 2019.
So 15 year gap is obviously amassive jump, rather than just
oh, we've played classic um in2019 and 2020, so let's
(07:09):
re-release classic in 2024, likejust over or five years after
the initial release of classic.
I don't think it's a very goodidea.
I think that you lose a lot ofyour nostalgic values from doing
that.
In my honest opinion, um,especially when you already have
classic era there, um, don'tthink it's a failure at all,
(07:32):
though there are thousands ofpeople playing the game at any
given time of the day, there area lot of people playing yes but
how many of these people aregoing to make it to max level?
how many of these people aregoing to raid?
How many of these people aregoing to be doing end game
content consistently, likedungeons, scholomance,
stratholme, etc.
I think the player base willdrop off dramatically after
(07:58):
about a month or so, which issad because Classic deserves the
player base and the servers tobe up and running, lively and
stuff.
That's what Classic thrives offof, with people actually
talking to each other and stufflike that.
But sadly I don't see itsticking around.
I really don't.
I think this will eventuallybecome very dead realms and it's
(08:21):
sad to say I genuinely thinkthat.
I would love to be proved wrong,because I think that Classic
has always had potential andstill always will, because there
is a fan base for it and thenostalgic value that wow has,
just from people leveling in2004, 5, 6, whenever, and even
(08:44):
the simplicity nature of it.
I think it has a sort of charmto it.
I think that it's very good tokeep going and I hope that it
does well, but it's tough to seethe player base sticking around
for it.
It really is tough to see.
So I'm sad about this, butthat's my honest opinion.
But this is ridiculous.
Why is this flagged for likebad, like why is this flagged on
(09:10):
the forums is absolutelyridiculous.
I don't think people like tohear these sort of um, kind of
harsh realities of it.
I really don't think so.
I think classic playerscertainly don't, because when
you talk to someone aboutclassic and it's like, oh yeah,
I play like classic retail andall of the wows and stuff and I
prefer retail, like you knowlet's take a quick break.
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Search the Gaming Blender on your favourite
podcast app now they seem to getvery defensive, and it's always
the case.
(10:21):
Now, this isn't everyone, butwhen have you ever seen someone
go oh my god, like this isridiculous, go play this version
of wow like, go back to classicor whatever?
I don't see anyone doing thatin retail, um, whereas in
classic you always say, oh mygod, go play retail.
Like, yeah, I, I will.
I do enjoy retail.
Retail is in a very good spotat the moment, you know, I and I
(10:42):
don't think they like the ideathat classic is a lesser version
of retail, of the originalproduct, and that's the sad
thing.
Um, because it is let's face itis classic has less player base
than retail.
Same with classic cataclysm,stuff like that.
(11:03):
I think if you add up all ofthe classics um, the hardcore
classic classic era, the freshservers, classic cataclysm, I
think you have a bigger playerbase on retail and I think it's
not even close um, so I don'tthink they like that reality
that people enjoy retail morethan they do classic.
(11:24):
Um, and it just seemsridiculous that this has been
flagged.
Uh, I don't get why.
It's absolutely ridiculousbecause he's asking a genuine
question and just stating hisopinion.
That's all it is.
It's his opinion at the end ofthe day.
All right, let's move on to thenext one.
So this one is a bit different.
(11:47):
I'm really not going to lingeron this for long.
So can we go back to male andfemale?
Not trolling here Want to havea legitimate conversation and I
welcome people who havedifferences in opinions, but I
personally think the idea ofrenaming male and female to body
type one and two is just reallydumb.
I thought over time I'd getused to it, but every time I go
(12:12):
to create a new character Ishake my head and go man, how
stupid.
What is blizzard thinking?
The shirtless, buff dude isobviously male.
The skinny, scantily clad womanwearing a bra and underwear is
obviously a female.
Let's end the madness andrevert this change.
Thank you, okay.
Firstly, who the fuck cares?
(12:33):
Genuinely, no one cares.
All right, it matters to somepeople because some people might
want to.
You know, they might think thatthey're a woman, they might
think that they're a man, youknow, whatever.
And seeing this sort of thingin a game really gives them hope
and, you know, makes them feelgood and comfortable.
(12:57):
For someone like this person andmyself, I couldn't give two
shits.
I genuinely couldn't.
This guy shouldn't as well.
Okay, it's not affecting hishealth, it's not affecting his
mental well-being, it's notaffecting his gameplay.
Okay, make the damn character.
You hover over body type oneand body type two for about two
(13:19):
seconds.
All right, you hover over it,you click the body type and then
you simply make your character.
You literally don't think aboutit otherwise.
Okay, that's all it is.
It doesn't matter, but to somepeople it really does, and it
means a lot to them, so whywouldn't you keep it?
So the example that I'm going tomake here is colorblind mode.
(13:41):
Okay, now it's different,obviously, but colorblind mode
in classic never existed back in2004.
When the re-release of classicwas happening back in 2019,
people wanted hashtag no changes.
Okay, this is what some peoplewantedizzard kind of listened to
(14:05):
it and kind of didn't.
What blizzard did, though, wasadd options into the game, into
the options menu, that allowpeople who are colorblind to
change the colors of the gameand be able to view world of
warcraft in the best experiencethat they can.
Absolutely amazing, changesomething that should have been
(14:31):
done, like in classic, no matterwhat, and you know people
should be okay with this, andyou know, say, yeah, this is
fine, this isn't going to affectme, but it will help those who
obviously need it.
But people weren't.
People were really upset thatthey were changing something in
the options menu for colourblindpeople.
Like how ridiculously stupid doyou need to be to complain
(14:56):
about something like thatGenuinely?
How ridiculous do you need tobe to say, oh my god, we
shouldn't have colorblind modein the options because it wasn't
in original?
Wow, like are you stupid?
Are you thick in the skull ofsomething?
This is so that people who arecolorblind have a better
experience playing the game.
(15:17):
Not not only you deserve toenjoy the game, other people do,
and other people have certainlimitations, whether they're
colorblind or have any sort ofdisability.
And it's ridiculous.
People need to just understandthat it doesn't affect them and
it doesn't affect their mentalwell-being.
It doesn't affect their health,their.
But sometimes people need thesethings in the game to either
(15:43):
one feel comfortable playing thegame or two enjoy the game.
Like and it's ridiculous.
This guy needs to just acceptthat this is how it is.
It's not going to change now,it's not affecting him in any
way, shape or form, and he needsto just get over it.
Just play the game.
It's that simple.
It might not affect you, butsome people might think this is
(16:05):
an amazing change and reallyfind it comforting that blizzard
might be listening to that sortof thing.
Instead of male and female, youhave body type one and two.
Again, I couldn't care about it.
I, I couldn't, I couldn't careabout it, I couldn't, I couldn't
care about it at all.
But some people do and peopledon't understand that.
(16:26):
People cannot understand thatand I don't get why.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
But yeah, anyways, we'll moveswiftly on from that one.
I just thought that I wanted todisagree with that one, real
quick.
Ok, so Dual spec is not aquality of life change.
Alright, dual spec is a massivegameplay change that, while it
(16:51):
could make it easier to respec,it is absolutely not just a
quality of life change, as I'veheard people trying to say.
An example of quality of lifechange, as I've heard people
trying to say, an example ofquality of life change is
something like we added the keyring so that all your keys are
in there and no longer take upinventory slots.
Okay, that's already in classic, so I don't know what you're on
(17:12):
about.
Um, a quality of life changefor respeccing might be reducing
the cost or just allowing it tosave your bars between specs,
with no other changes whatsoever.
Pretending that justcopy-slash-pasting dual-spec
into classic vanilla is just aquality-of-life change or
claiming that it has nodownsides at all is straight-up
(17:35):
dishonest when it has an impacton the gameplay of vanilla
itself.
Oh no, the gameplay of vanillawill be.
I, instead of casting frostboltand pressing scorch and
fireball, the entire game, youknow, oh, my god, what a
turnaround.
Okay, firstly, it is a qualityof life change.
(17:58):
Anything that is quality oflife means that it makes it
easier in the game to dosomething.
So, whether that be changespecs, change classes, race,
whatever it might be in the game, do quests more profession,
like levels, you know, whateverthen it is a quality of life
change.
(18:18):
I cannot tell you how many timesI went in classic to respec to
from my pvp spec into my raidingspec, into my farming spec is
insane.
Okay, I play mage about theentirety of probably around 506,
(18:39):
about 1000 gold.
Okay, and that's being generous.
Um, or like very not, is it?
Uh, not, that's not the word.
Um, reserved with my guess.
Okay, I probably spent about 1kgold in respecs in classic.
(19:02):
Okay, and that was for raiding,that was for pvp, that was for
farming mobs and like gettinggold and stuff.
I spent that much goldrespeccing.
Okay, this is a massive qualityof life change because if I had
this, I wouldn't have spentnearly as much.
I would have spent probably 500gold, if that you know, and
(19:24):
that might be respeccing myfrost because I wanted to aoe, I
wanted to do a mara, one poolor zulfarac, like aoe farming or
some some shit like that.
You know, that is a quality oflife change because it makes it
so much easier and I don't haveto worry about getting gold.
Okay, I do not have to worryabout that at all.
(19:47):
Like, if I want to do multipledifferent things within classic
which, let's face it, it's toughto pay for talent changes.
It really really is in classic.
So, yes, this is a quality oflife change.
It is a big change, but it isquality of life.
Okay, that is it.
It is as simple as that is thatit makes everyone else's life
(20:10):
in classic easier, very simple,and this one this is what I want
to end it on this is reallyweird.
So just admit it blizzard.
Okay.
What are they admitting?
What?
What do you guys think?
You know, I'll give you acouple seconds, but what could
they be admitting?
Let's find out.
We are taking ideas from turtle.
(20:33):
Wow, all the add-on developersfor the looking for group tool
weren't you?
They may judge you, but i't, Iwon't judge you.
Blizzard, it was a good idea,okay, okay.
So, um, okay, yeah, my brain.
(20:54):
So, looking for group yes, theyadded it in classic and it's a
very simple iteration of it.
I think it's a very gooditeration and it works with
classic.
I like it.
Now, looking for group has beenin wow for a very long time okay
(21:15):
, since 2008 actually.
So this is the looking forgroup that we got in wrath of
the lich king.
You know where you sign up foryour dungeon.
It puts you in the dungeongroup, teleports you to the
dungeon, that sort of thing.
This is a doled down lookingfor group tool.
Okay, this is the looking forgroup tool that is in bfa or
(21:38):
legion when you're searching formythics, um, but just a very
simple version of it.
And, yes, people have madeadd-ons and stuff previously,
for when classic came out, youknow, when classic came out,
people did do a Looking forGroup add-on where anyone who
(21:59):
put Looking for More it wouldkeep a record of it so you could
see what groups were going andstuff like that, but they aren't
copying anyone.
The people who have copied fromWoW are the people that you've
mentioned there.
Wow are the people that you'vementioned there.
(22:20):
Turtle wow, like are literallya byproduct and a different game
to world of warcraft.
They are people who have copiedthe main base of the game and
are adding their own differentthings to it and elements.
But wow had looking for groupbefore.
Turtle wow was even a thing,okay.
So it's absolutely crazy thatpeople think that they're
copying something from someone.
Now, don't get me wrong.
(22:40):
They have done in the pasthardcore wow, for example.
It was copied from thecommunity.
The community were the ones tointroduce hardcore wow into,
like, world of warcraft with theadd-on and this obviously got
turned into an actual game modewithin world of warcraft.
So I think, yes, they havecopied some things, but they're
(23:04):
looking for group tool, like,really, are you being that
stupid?
No, they didn't copy it, let'sface it.
They just put a very simpleiteration of it from the retail
WoW version into classic.
That's it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Very simple, okay, I've got toend it there.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
(23:25):
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(24:09):
friend, goodbye all, thank you.
Thank you, hello and welcome to the Pig and Whistle
Tales from Azeroth.
As always here at the Pig andWhistle Inn in Stormwind, I go
through a variety of subjectswith regards to World of
Warcraft, so grab a bottle or apint, sit back and enjoy this
episode.
We'll be looking at moreclassic sort of bits and bobs.
I'm going to be giving mythoughts on it and you know,
seeing what other people arethinking of it at the moment,
(01:16):
and there is a lot that peoplethink of it at the moment.
But yeah, as always, we havethe weekly news.
We have Kordak is your weeklyworld boss for the week.
He is located within oh my god,I was going to say the waking
shore for a moment.
He is located within, not found, dracis.
Why am I thinking ofdragonflight?
(01:36):
Um, zones, why is dragonflightsuddenly popping up into my head
?
I've been doing it for a coupleyears now, so you know.
That's probably why.
Um, let's see, you have ringingdeeps, you have ashkahet, you
have hello fool.
The first zone, the first zoneyou want to go?
No, that's the city.
(01:56):
You know what it's?
In the first zone of the newland.
How I'm?
I've completely blanked.
I have completely blanked.
I don't know, my brain has justnot functioning and given me
the name of that first zone, soapologies for that, but that's
where he is located within thefirst zone.
The bonus event for this weekis Wrath at Time Walking.
(02:19):
This means that you can doWrath Dungeons and get Time
Walking badges in order to buynew Wrath current or gear.
Now, this new gear that hasbeen put into the wrath time
walking is new mounts, pets,weapons, armor, many different
things, so you can actually gothere and get some new bits and
pieces.
You don't have to save it allbecause you've bought everything
(02:42):
from the previous time walkingbadge vendor.
We also have shadow panshowdown as your brawl for the
week.
This is essentially a 6v6 andyou have to kill the enemy
team's boss before they killyours, as well as pvp the enemy
team at the same time.
It's quite cool.
I like it.
It's certainly a different takeon arenas.
(03:06):
Um, I think it's very muchworth testing it out and seeing
how it goes.
We also have void bound andtyrannical actual mythical fixes
for the week.
Void bound a ad will spawn,simply kill it and you get a
nice buff, very simple andtyrannical.
The bosses and the mobs thatthey spawn have increased health
and damage, so bring a talentbuild that can accommodate for
(03:28):
that.
So I want to start off with thispost.
Is it me or does WoW Classicre-release seem like a failure?
Okay, it seems that there-release of Classic doesn't
have the same hype that theoriginal Classic did and a small
fraction of the player base.
Um, I was on the one of the pvpservers today and there were
(03:52):
only 10 layers.
That is insane.
Back when classic came out, ithad multiple servers that, uh,
with that many layers, justseems that, like blizzard should
have done something different.
Because this isn't it.
What does everyone else think?
Now, this is quite a tamecomment, don't you think?
I think this is a relativelytame forum post.
(04:14):
Guess what People have flaggedit.
People have flagged it on theforums and I don't see why.
I'm guessing this is people whoplay classic who don't like the
idea that it's a failure and,to be honest, like I've been
saying, it is somewhat of afailure because they have
(04:36):
screwed over other servers likeclassic era servers.
Um, but yeah, let's see.
Some people will reply.
I agree, definitely feels likefresh servers are finished
before they took off.
There's a couple reasons for thefailure, but the biggest one is
that we're all tired of themonotonous level grind and only
three weeks to get to moltencore that is.
(04:58):
That is simply unrealistic formost adults.
Kind of is uh depends on howlong you can play.
If you can play for a couplehours each night, um, which is
the sort of average uh you get,then probably, yeah, it's
unrealistic to have them couplehours and get to level 60 if you
want to raid and certainly ifyou want to gear as well, um,
(05:21):
adding a pair boost or paidboost is the only way to get
hype going.
Otherwise these servers willprobably just get merged with
era eventually.
Paid boost no, that shouldn't beever in classic even I'm
against that.
I understand paid boosts inretail and stuff.
If you really want to just skipeverything, I think that you,
(05:43):
in order to get a paid boost,you need to already have
levelled a max or a character tomax level.
In order to unlock theopportunity to even pay for a
boost, I think you need to haveactually played the game first.
So I'm not sure why he's sayingthat, but it is what it is.
(06:03):
The sad thing is, with theclassic Era sort of merge.
I think he's right.
I think these will just getmoved into sort of Classic Era
and get put into TBC and thenWrath of the Lich King and stuff
like that, and I don't seethese becoming much of a thing.
They'll just do the same thingthat they did.
(06:24):
Well, this year, in five moreyears time it's like oh, you
want classic, classic, classic.
We hear you like, here you go,um, let's keep going.
So the thing fresh servers wouldhave the same hype as initial
classic launch is just plainfoolish thinking.
Yes, I do agree.
Should they have done anythingelse?
Sure, yes, it is stupid.
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Firstly, because classic wasn'treleased for 15 years when they
released classic.
So 2004 was obviously world ofwarcraft's release and they
released classic in 2019.
So 15 year gap is obviously amassive jump, rather than just
oh, we've played classic um in2019 and 2020, so let's
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re-release classic in 2024, likejust over or five years after
the initial release of classic.
I don't think it's a very goodidea.
I think that you lose a lot ofyour nostalgic values from doing
that.
In my honest opinion, um,especially when you already have
classic era there, um, don'tthink it's a failure at all,
(07:32):
though there are thousands ofpeople playing the game at any
given time of the day, there area lot of people playing yes but
how many of these people aregoing to make it to max level?
how many of these people aregoing to raid?
How many of these people aregoing to be doing end game
content consistently, likedungeons, scholomance,
stratholme, etc.
I think the player base willdrop off dramatically after
(07:58):
about a month or so, which issad because Classic deserves the
player base and the servers tobe up and running, lively and
stuff.
That's what Classic thrives offof, with people actually
talking to each other and stufflike that.
But sadly I don't see itsticking around.
I really don't.
I think this will eventuallybecome very dead realms and it's
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sad to say I genuinely thinkthat.
I would love to be proved wrong,because I think that Classic
has always had potential andstill always will, because there
is a fan base for it and thenostalgic value that wow has,
just from people leveling in2004, 5, 6, whenever, and even
(08:44):
the simplicity nature of it.
I think it has a sort of charmto it.
I think that it's very good tokeep going and I hope that it
does well, but it's tough to seethe player base sticking around
for it.
It really is tough to see.
So I'm sad about this, butthat's my honest opinion.
But this is ridiculous.
Why is this flagged for likebad, like why is this flagged on
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the forums is absolutelyridiculous.
I don't think people like tohear these sort of um, kind of
harsh realities of it.
I really don't think so.
I think classic playerscertainly don't, because when
you talk to someone aboutclassic and it's like, oh yeah,
I play like classic retail andall of the wows and stuff and I
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Now, this isn't everyone, butwhen have you ever seen someone
go oh my god, like this isridiculous, go play this version
of wow like, go back to classicor whatever?
I don't see anyone doing thatin retail, um, whereas in
classic you always say, oh mygod, go play retail.
Like, yeah, I, I will.
I do enjoy retail.
Retail is in a very good spotat the moment, you know, I and I
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don't think they like the ideathat classic is a lesser version
of retail, of the originalproduct, and that's the sad
thing.
Um, because it is let's face itis classic has less player base
than retail.
Same with classic cataclysm,stuff like that.
(11:03):
I think if you add up all ofthe classics um, the hardcore
classic classic era, the freshservers, classic cataclysm, I
think you have a bigger playerbase on retail and I think it's
not even close um, so I don'tthink they like that reality
that people enjoy retail morethan they do classic.
(11:24):
Um, and it just seemsridiculous that this has been
flagged.
Uh, I don't get why.
It's absolutely ridiculousbecause he's asking a genuine
question and just stating hisopinion.
That's all it is.
It's his opinion at the end ofthe day.
All right, let's move on to thenext one.
So this one is a bit different.
(11:47):
I'm really not going to lingeron this for long.
So can we go back to male andfemale?
Not trolling here Want to havea legitimate conversation and I
welcome people who havedifferences in opinions, but I
personally think the idea ofrenaming male and female to body
type one and two is just reallydumb.
I thought over time I'd getused to it, but every time I go
(12:12):
to create a new character Ishake my head and go man, how
stupid.
What is blizzard thinking?
The shirtless, buff dude isobviously male.
The skinny, scantily clad womanwearing a bra and underwear is
obviously a female.
Let's end the madness andrevert this change.
Thank you, okay.
Firstly, who the fuck cares?
(12:33):
Genuinely, no one cares.
All right, it matters to somepeople because some people might
want to.
You know, they might think thatthey're a woman, they might
think that they're a man, youknow, whatever.
And seeing this sort of thingin a game really gives them hope
and, you know, makes them feelgood and comfortable.
(12:57):
For someone like this person andmyself, I couldn't give two
shits.
I genuinely couldn't.
This guy shouldn't as well.
Okay, it's not affecting hishealth, it's not affecting his
mental well-being, it's notaffecting his gameplay.
Okay, make the damn character.
You hover over body type oneand body type two for about two
(13:19):
seconds.
All right, you hover over it,you click the body type and then
you simply make your character.
You literally don't think aboutit otherwise.
Okay, that's all it is.
It doesn't matter, but to somepeople it really does, and it
means a lot to them, so whywouldn't you keep it?
So the example that I'm going tomake here is colorblind mode.
(13:41):
Okay, now it's different,obviously, but colorblind mode
in classic never existed back in2004.
When the re-release of classicwas happening back in 2019,
people wanted hashtag no changes.
Okay, this is what some peoplewantedizzard kind of listened to
(14:05):
it and kind of didn't.
What blizzard did, though, wasadd options into the game, into
the options menu, that allowpeople who are colorblind to
change the colors of the gameand be able to view world of
warcraft in the best experiencethat they can.
Absolutely amazing, changesomething that should have been
(14:31):
done, like in classic, no matterwhat, and you know people
should be okay with this, andyou know, say, yeah, this is
fine, this isn't going to affectme, but it will help those who
obviously need it.
But people weren't.
People were really upset thatthey were changing something in
the options menu for colourblindpeople.
Like how ridiculously stupid doyou need to be to complain
(14:56):
about something like thatGenuinely?
How ridiculous do you need tobe to say, oh my god, we
shouldn't have colorblind modein the options because it wasn't
in original?
Wow, like are you stupid?
Are you thick in the skull ofsomething?
This is so that people who arecolorblind have a better
experience playing the game.
(15:17):
Not not only you deserve toenjoy the game, other people do,
and other people have certainlimitations, whether they're
colorblind or have any sort ofdisability.
And it's ridiculous.
People need to just understandthat it doesn't affect them and
it doesn't affect their mentalwell-being.
It doesn't affect their health,their.
But sometimes people need thesethings in the game to either
(15:43):
one feel comfortable playing thegame or two enjoy the game.
Like and it's ridiculous.
This guy needs to just acceptthat this is how it is.
It's not going to change now,it's not affecting him in any
way, shape or form, and he needsto just get over it.
Just play the game.
It's that simple.
It might not affect you, butsome people might think this is
(16:05):
an amazing change and reallyfind it comforting that blizzard
might be listening to that sortof thing.
Instead of male and female, youhave body type one and two.
Again, I couldn't care about it.
I, I couldn't, I couldn't careabout it, I couldn't, I couldn't
care about it at all.
But some people do and peopledon't understand that.
(16:26):
People cannot understand thatand I don't get why.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
But yeah, anyways, we'll moveswiftly on from that one.
I just thought that I wanted todisagree with that one, real
quick.
Ok, so Dual spec is not aquality of life change.
Alright, dual spec is a massivegameplay change that, while it
(16:51):
could make it easier to respec,it is absolutely not just a
quality of life change, as I'veheard people trying to say.
An example of quality of lifechange, as I've heard people
trying to say, an example ofquality of life change is
something like we added the keyring so that all your keys are
in there and no longer take upinventory slots.
Okay, that's already in classic, so I don't know what you're on
(17:12):
about.
Um, a quality of life changefor respeccing might be reducing
the cost or just allowing it tosave your bars between specs,
with no other changes whatsoever.
Pretending that justcopy-slash-pasting dual-spec
into classic vanilla is just aquality-of-life change or
claiming that it has nodownsides at all is straight-up
(17:35):
dishonest when it has an impacton the gameplay of vanilla
itself.
Oh no, the gameplay of vanillawill be.
I, instead of casting frostboltand pressing scorch and
fireball, the entire game, youknow, oh, my god, what a
turnaround.
Okay, firstly, it is a qualityof life change.
(17:58):
Anything that is quality oflife means that it makes it
easier in the game to dosomething.
So, whether that be changespecs, change classes, race,
whatever it might be in the game, do quests more profession,
like levels, you know, whateverthen it is a quality of life
change.
(18:18):
I cannot tell you how many timesI went in classic to respec to
from my pvp spec into my raidingspec, into my farming spec is
insane.
Okay, I play mage about theentirety of probably around 506,
(18:39):
about 1000 gold.
Okay, and that's being generous.
Um, or like very not, is it?
Uh, not, that's not the word.
Um, reserved with my guess.
Okay, I probably spent about 1kgold in respecs in classic.
(19:02):
Okay, and that was for raiding,that was for pvp, that was for
farming mobs and like gettinggold and stuff.
I spent that much goldrespeccing.
Okay, this is a massive qualityof life change because if I had
this, I wouldn't have spentnearly as much.
I would have spent probably 500gold, if that you know, and
(19:24):
that might be respeccing myfrost because I wanted to aoe, I
wanted to do a mara, one poolor zulfarac, like aoe farming or
some some shit like that.
You know, that is a quality oflife change because it makes it
so much easier and I don't haveto worry about getting gold.
Okay, I do not have to worryabout that at all.
(19:47):
Like, if I want to do multipledifferent things within classic
which, let's face it, it's toughto pay for talent changes.
It really really is in classic.
So, yes, this is a quality oflife change.
It is a big change, but it isquality of life.
Okay, that is it.
It is as simple as that is thatit makes everyone else's life
(20:10):
in classic easier, very simple,and this one this is what I want
to end it on this is reallyweird.
So just admit it blizzard.
Okay.
What are they admitting?
What?
What do you guys think?
You know, I'll give you acouple seconds, but what could
they be admitting?
Let's find out.
We are taking ideas from turtle.
(20:33):
Wow, all the add-on developersfor the looking for group tool
weren't you?
They may judge you, but i't, Iwon't judge you.
Blizzard, it was a good idea,okay, okay.
So, um, okay, yeah, my brain.
(20:54):
So, looking for group yes, theyadded it in classic and it's a
very simple iteration of it.
I think it's a very gooditeration and it works with
classic.
I like it.
Now, looking for group has beenin wow for a very long time okay
(21:15):
, since 2008 actually.
So this is the looking forgroup that we got in wrath of
the lich king.
You know where you sign up foryour dungeon.
It puts you in the dungeongroup, teleports you to the
dungeon, that sort of thing.
This is a doled down lookingfor group tool.
Okay, this is the looking forgroup tool that is in bfa or
(21:38):
legion when you're searching formythics, um, but just a very
simple version of it.
And, yes, people have madeadd-ons and stuff previously,
for when classic came out, youknow, when classic came out,
people did do a Looking forGroup add-on where anyone who
(21:59):
put Looking for More it wouldkeep a record of it so you could
see what groups were going andstuff like that, but they aren't
copying anyone.
The people who have copied fromWoW are the people that you've
mentioned there.
Wow are the people that you'vementioned there.
(22:20):
Turtle wow, like are literallya byproduct and a different game
to world of warcraft.
They are people who have copiedthe main base of the game and
are adding their own differentthings to it and elements.
But wow had looking for groupbefore.
Turtle wow was even a thing,okay.
So it's absolutely crazy thatpeople think that they're
copying something from someone.
Now, don't get me wrong.
(22:40):
They have done in the pasthardcore wow, for example.
It was copied from thecommunity.
The community were the ones tointroduce hardcore wow into,
like, world of warcraft with theadd-on and this obviously got
turned into an actual game modewithin world of warcraft.
So I think, yes, they havecopied some things, but they're
(23:04):
looking for group tool, like,really, are you being that
stupid?
No, they didn't copy it, let'sface it.
They just put a very simpleiteration of it from the retail
WoW version into classic.
That's it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Very simple, okay, I've got toend it there.
Thank you all very much forlistening.
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friend, goodbye all.
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