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Cuban-American artist Vivian Estalella was born and raised in Miami, Florida in a family of strong independent women. As a little girl, she never played with dolls or toys. Instead, she preferred to spend her time coloring. She was always happier with a box of crayons or paints than a Barbie doll. Always creative, she enjoyed the arts from a very young age. At the age of 15, a trip to Mexico awakened her passion for painting. The intensely rich colors of Mexican art struck a cord and, together with her Cuban roots, formed a style that is both distinctive and uniquely vibrant. The sights, sounds, exotic tastes, and passionate people of the tropics, along with the sensuous female form, are all prevalent in her work
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episode is gonna be veryinteresting controversial for a
few. Um, but it's really a topicthat I've had in my mind for a
(03:02):
while. And it's going to be anintense conversation that I want
to get you guys the listenersinput. So that's why there'll be
a second part to this episode.
For this episode, I have Vivianyou know her she's been here
before, I guess officially she'sa co host because she's been
(03:23):
here a number of times. I can'tget rid of me. I can. And her
Instagram handle is edited LunaMiami, she also made some
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YouTube editor Luna millenaryshe makes beautiful flowers. But
today's episode andit's gonna be about
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being plus size is all bodiesbeautiful, you know, and how
it's seen in the media in theworld and influencers. Like
there's so many things underthis topic, but we're gonna
touch over a few. We want to seewhat you guys have to say. So
make sure to keep this aconversation and
let us know in the commentsbelow what you think, or ideas
(04:12):
that you have. So, Vivian, we'reboth you know, I can speak for
both of us. We're both plus sizewomen. Yeah.
To us, maybe I can speak formyself, but you know, medically
obese. So yeah, I'm pretty safe.
So and if I don't know how elseto put it.
(04:36):
So I wanted to talk about todayabout a few topics. So I've
heard the statement all bodiesare beautiful. And I've heard
the statement that all bodiesare healthy bodies. So I'm
wanting to break this down. Likedo you agree that all bodies are
beautiful?
Vivian (04:55):
I do agree that all bodies are beautiful. Like
there's beauty and everythingyou know, and every
One is the way they are. That'show you were born. That's how
you are how you exist. And ofcourse, there's beauty in that,
you know, and it's like they saybeauty is in the eye of the
beholder. But I think you canfind beauty everywhere. So
absolutely, there's, you know,all bodies are beautiful. I
(05:16):
agree. And how about our bodiesare healthy, all bodies are
healthy bodies. I don't know ifyou ever heard this mantra?
Well, that's a little morecontroversial. I believe that
you can be fat and be healthy.
Absolutely. I've always been avery healthy fat person. I've
never had diabetes, I haven'thad you know, high cholesterol,
(05:37):
I haven't had any issues. AfterI turned 40, I had started
having high blood pressure, butthat's it's maintained, you
know, I have it under controland everything's okay. But other
than that, I've always been avery healthy person, and I've
been overweight my entire life.
So you can be overweight and behealthy. But that's a very
(05:58):
personal thing. You know, thereare people who are overweight or
not healthy, but at the sametime, there's a lot of thin
people that are not healthy,too. So I don't think health is,
you know, directly correlated tothe way that but um, it can be I
mean, it just depends. See, Iagree and disagree.
Unknown (06:20):
Bring it on, bring it on.
Yeah, this episode, I reallyhave been thinking about this
topic.
Yes. Cheers.
I've never been a Starbucks fanuntil take the talk, because I
love the words Barbies. And thenI don't know, just people.
(06:45):
I've had this idea in my headthat like, Yes, I like yourself.
I've always been a bigger girl.
I mean, I'm a twin and my twinhas always been skinny. I've
always been bigger. Um,let me I'm just gonna come on
and say it. I'm always on thefence. Because I know that I
could be healthier if I wasthinner, not super thin, but
like just a couple of pounds.
(07:09):
Um, I've done runway walks. Butthen I've also seen girls bigger
than me do a one way walk, butit feels like they're hurting
their knees because they're notwalking correctly. Um, I feel
like it's a thin line betweenbeing healthy. And being, you
know, fat.
(07:33):
Let me see if I'm translatingthis. Well, I agree. Can I be
healthier? Yes, absolutely. Butfor the most part, I want to
sample I was about 40. I'm 44.
Now, but until I turn 48, Inever had any health issues I
really didn't. And around thattime is when I started having
high blood pressure. But beforethen I never had anything I have
my you know, normal sugar,normal cholesterol, things that
(07:56):
are normally attributed to, youknow, being overweight. I never
had an issue with but can I behealthier? Yes, absolutely. I
get tired. You know, when I dothings and, you know, I might
get out of breath going up aflight of stairs and things like
that. So of course, I could behealthier. But I don't think
that it's always like, youshouldn't just if you see an
(08:18):
overweight person at the mall orwherever, just assume that
they're an unhealthy person.
Because you don't know what thatperson's background is. Or, you
know, that's what I meant bythat. Have you ever had a
doctor's I've seen I've hadother girls tell me that they go
to the doctor and before thedoctor even diagnosis them, they
(08:39):
already say Oh, I know what theissue is because you're you're
you're fat, you need to loseweight, you're morbidly obese.
Do you think that's everhappened to you? Yes, that's
happened to me a lot. Um,thankfully, like you, Oh, um,
you have to advocate foryourself. And it's not, there's
a million doctors out there.
Right. So if you go to a doctorthat doesn't listen to you, or
(09:00):
you don't feel heard by thisperson, or respected by this
doctor, it's very simple to justleave and find another doctor.
You know, there's there will besomeone where you have a good
fit with. I also believe inchemistry, if you go to a
doctor, you don't have chemistrywith a doctor, it's very hard to
kind of build that relationshipor those will there sit down and
like actually listen to you and,you know, give time to all your
(09:24):
concerns and all of that. So Ineed to find a doctor and
chemistry in a day.
Well, my dad always makes fun ofme and tells me like that all my
doctors are friends of mine. Andit's it's kind of true.
Like, I'm friends with gooddentist, I'm friends. You know,
(09:45):
with mypersonality. I just feel like
you have to have like they don'thave to be your close friend,
but just have a comfort levelwith that person where you're
able to sit down and have aconversation about your
concerns. You know,So, because I have had doctors
in the past where you go, andthey don't listen to you, and
they're just like, theyattribute everything to me being
(10:06):
fat. And so, you know, nothingis a big deal. And that's,
that's not fun. That's not okay.
And how do you feel aboutinfluence? Like, for example, a
big influencer, or the firstSports Illustrated model was
Ashley Graham. Right? Would youconsider her a plus size model?
(10:26):
Well, by today's standards,she's a plus size model. So I
consider her plus size. No.
I mean, she's gorgeous. I would,you know,
I would love to have her figure,you know, I don't consider her
plus size. But, you know, bySenate, I don't think she's
large enough to be I willconsider her like mid size. You
(10:48):
know, she's not skinny, she'snot big. She's like a mid size
model. But by beauty standardshares plus size, because I
think anything over like a size10 is considered plus size for
the media. Sobut she has done a lot, I think
in terms of body positivity andloving yourself and kind of, you
know, bringing light to, youknow, inclusivity and having
(11:12):
more plus size model on therunways. I think she's done a
lot in that in that area.
Do you feel like she's a goodrole model? Because I really
like what you just said is why Ilike Ashley Graham. Yeah, she's
a plus size girl, but sheadvocates health.
You know, body positivity, notjust enforcing the other stigma
(11:34):
that we were talking about. Allbodies are healthy, she mostly
promoted, at least in my eyes.
She promotes a healthylifestyle. She just happens to
be, you know, curvy. Right?
Well, you know, like I said,I've been big my entire life, if
you see my baby pictures, I cameout of the womb, like a chubby
girl. But, um, there's more tome than just that, you know. So
(11:59):
when I meet somebody, I don'twant them to like me, because
I'm fat. There's more to me thanthat, you know, that's just one
of the things and I, of course,would love people to accept me
for being larger because I am,you know, it's part of me. But
there's so much more. So I loveinfluencers and people in the
media that are like that, likeyou said, like, they enforce a
(12:21):
lifestyle, you know, beinghealthier, but also accepting
yourself as you are and allthese different things. It's not
just, you know, I'm fat exceptme. That's it. You know, there's
more to it than that.
You know, it's funny that yousay that, because like
influencers, for example, likeAshley Graham, like if you see
her eating healthy, that'snobody really says anything. But
(12:45):
recently lizzo she posted upabout, you know, doing a cleanse
and eating healthy and peoplewere attacking her, you know,
because she was trying to dosomething healthy for her body.
It's Do you, I feel like there'slike a lose, what's the word I'm
looking for? But like, you know,you're a big girl that makes her
(13:07):
name out of being big andpromoting positive body
positivity decides to dosomething for herself. And
people see it as, Oh, well. Ithought you were all about pro
body and body positivity. Ijust, I guess that's what I've
been going back and forth in myhead is they're trying.
They're trying to promotebody positivity in all body
(13:31):
shapes. But if they're trying todo something good for
themselves, people justattacking by saying, Oh, well,
that's not body positive. Likekeep eating your burgers girl.
Like you don't need a cleanse.
You still look good. I feel likethat's a toxic comment. And
that's what I'm trying to bringout in this episode. Um, Why
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think Liz? Oh, I think she shedid the cleanse. She went vegan.
I don't I follow her onInstagram and Tiktok. But I
don't I don't know enough aboutwhy she did it.
If it was for health reasons, orif it was more
like a, you know, foranimal rights or anything else,
(14:13):
I'm not sure the reason behindit. But I do know that she was
attacked in the media for that.
And then, you know, you can be abigger and still eat healthy,
you know, I eat healthy most ofthe time, believe it or not.
So it just, you know, and whatshe was doing was the same thing
(14:34):
that she advocates, sheadvocates for self love taking
care of yourself, doing thingsfor yourself. And that's exactly
what she did. You know, she feltlike she needed to do something
for her health, for her spirit.
And that's why she chose tohelp, you know, to just change
the way that she ate and whatshe was doing for herself. So I
applaud that, you know whethershe loses weight or not, or
(14:56):
whatever the reasons for it. Ibuy
That up, you know, because shedid something for herself. And
that's what she always standsfor. And like Liz Oh, I like her
to see the positive role model.
At least in when I think oflike, plus size. Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah. She's verylike pro woman, you know, being
(15:19):
an independent woman. And so Ilike that about her. And she
even has like this applicationto be a model for her partner
for me. Yeah, modeling for her.
And it's like, she givesopportunities to all types of
bodies and that's what I reallylove.
But when it comes to Will you beapplying for that
(15:41):
spot on that? I know.
I know me shy. Nah, you shouldyou should I've seen videos or
have like friends because thefriends are shy or whatever,
like friends that did theaudition video for them and be
likeyou should consider I'm gonna
think about I should do youknow not that great luck of
(16:08):
yours.
Talking about influencers? A bigname that comes up in plus size
is test holidaying.
You know, this is another Well,this is an influencer that I'm
always on the fence about, youknow, I know that she was the
(16:29):
first plus size model on, um, Iwas sitting with a magazine. She
was the front cover girl fora magazine. And she was very
criticized on it. Because shewas very big. She's heavily
tattooed. She's super small fora model. And I think she's like,
five or 411 or something likethat. No, she's actually we're
(16:54):
the same height. I'm 540. She'sfine. She was five, four. So
she's actually not that short.
Oh, I'm 540.
So she's my model standard, Iguess, models.
So she's shorter than a model.
She's bigger than a nor, like,bigger than the normal model for
(17:14):
sure. Bigger than Ashley. Um,but I what I say on the fence
with her is, I don't considerher like a good role model, in
my opinion, forthe plus size world.
(17:35):
Why don't you consider her agood role model? Because she,
unlike the other people thatwe've talked about, like lizzo,
and Ashley, they advocate ahealthy lifestyle. And yes,
they're still plus size, but Isee test doing photoshoots with
burgers, or, you know, promotingcontroversy when it comes to
(17:58):
binge eating. Um, justit's not the same kind of vibe
that I get from all the otherplus size influencers that we're
speaking about. I get more oflike she's promoting the
bigness. This, but instead ofpromoting body positivity, which
goes back to the first subjectthat we're talking about is
(18:22):
like, are all bodies beautiful?
Or are all bodies are healthy?
You know, I think she thinksmore of our bodies are
beautiful. It doesn't matterwhat I put in my mouth when in
reality, you know, deep down atthe end of the day, it does
matter what you put in yourmouth. I mean, if we all ate
burgers everyday, or really badstuff every day, we'd all be
really bad health. I mean, I'msure the girl in the TV show my
(18:47):
600 pound life. You know?
I'm sure they don't feelbeautiful when they need to ask
somebody for help to get out ofthe bed or need you know,
listen, bream work, I cannotwatch the show.
I watch all the bad TV on TLC.
But I cannot watch that show fortwo reasons. One, every time I
(19:08):
watch my 600 pound life, I siton my couch thinking oh my god
because I maybe one day like amI gonna keep gaining weight and
become one of the people on thisshow and then like messes with
my head. And the second reasonis that every woman on that show
has a boyfriend.
Every single one of them theycan't leave my house but they
(19:31):
have boyfriends. And every timeI watch it, I'm like but what is
wrong with me myboyfriend and other women on
this show have boyfriends. Butthat's a whole nother subject
day.
That's part three, three.
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But you see what I mean? is isthat lifestyle. Um, you know it
my 600 pound life. You know,it's an extreme
Dream, but it's an extreme. Alot of Americans go through, you
know, it's not like an occasionlike, I don't know, I noticed
the rise in, you know how manycontestants are and that
contestants is not a team likethat kind of show. But there's a
(20:15):
lot of people that are extremelyoverweight, even if you go to
Disney World, you see?
And in no way shape or form, amI saying these people are not
beautiful? Everyone isbeautiful. I mean, like you say,
there's beauties in the eye ofthe beholder. They are all
married or have boyfriends.
Exactly, exactly. So, nowthere's beauty in everyone. But
(20:37):
um, I think also wanted to anextreme like that there's also
either eating disordersinvolved, or mental health
issues a lot of the time, youknow, on that show, you see
them, you know, where they haveto go to therapy, and, you know,
because to let something go tothat point, there has to be a
reason for it, you know, in thebackground.
(20:59):
More than just medically, it'susually a mental health issue as
well.
Well, even with and I know a lotof plus size influencers or
anybody online, will criticize.
I don't know if you know whoEugenia cooney is she's an
extremely skinny Twitch, she's agamer on Twitch. Oh, yes, yes,
(21:21):
yes, yes, I know who you'retalking about. And people
criticize her for being toothin, too thin that you can see
her bones. Again, all bodies arebeautiful. All bodies are
healthy at any size. I mean, I'mjust quoting what we're talking
about. Um, but it's the samekind of mentality but flipped
(21:43):
around, she finds herselflooking great. And, you know,
but people still criticize herfor her weight. So no matter
what, there's always going to becriticism, but it's about
finding the healthy balancebecause for her, she has a lot
of controversy online as peopleare saying that she should be
banned. because she'll be livestreaming for like 12 hours or
(22:04):
eight hours straight. She nevergoes to the bathroom. She never
eats she never drinks water.
There was even if I remembercorrectly, a challenge called
the Eugenia cooney challengethat people watch your streams
and not eat or drink becauseyou're trying to be like her. So
(22:26):
that could affect minors, youknow, cuz she was, you know,
gamers are usually youngeraudience. So it could be the
same thing with like, tests,younger girls looking up to
tests and thinking shit, I caneat whatever I want, because I'm
beautiful. See? So I feel likethere's there's two extreme
examples that I'm giving. And Ifeel like we share. A lot of the
(22:51):
times when test does things likethat. It's almost like in
response, or she's trying to, Idon't want to say bait the
audience, but it's, it's almostin response to the attacks that
she gets online because she doesget a lot of negative comments
and you know, people just bereally mean to her.
And I think that's almost likea, like people that laugh at
(23:12):
themselves. Because I thinkpeople are gonna laugh at them
kind of thing, where she doesthat because she's like, well,
you think I'm gonna, I sitaround eating bonbons all day.
So, if that's what you thinkabout me, here you go. That's
how I feel sometimes just likebecause I follow her and what
you know, looking at her feed,sometimes I'm like, Okay, here
we go. You know, what is itgoing to be today? Because, you
(23:34):
know, she was attacked bysomebody but people are
relentless in theircommentaries. I like the things
that they tell her. You likeread her comments, like so mean,
you know, it's just terrible.
I haven't read her comments. Iusually I've seen the Eugenia
cooney ones. Andher comments are mostly like,
(23:55):
Oh, you know, you're sobeautiful, but you're gonna die.
You know, I'm sure test gets thesame thing. Like, you're so
beautiful, but you're so fat,you're gonna die. Um,
I don't know, where the linereaches of people trying to
intervene into people's lives.
Like, I know that. When peoplesay that sincerely, they mean it
in the right, you know, youknow, they these are fans of
(24:18):
these girls, and they want tosee them, you know? Well,
but do you think in these twoextreme examples, that it's
difficult for these women to tryto try to live a healthier
lifestyle without losing theirfame? I mean, test is known
(24:39):
known for being fat. Eugenia isknown for being skinny. I would
think mentally Eugenia would belike, man, if I gain weight,
because I've seen a lot ofvideos of people. A lot of
negative attention for it, butit's still attention. Yes, no,
it's still fame. It's still youknow, no.
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notoriety for, for thosereasons. So I think it would
affect them in a way, just likelizzo. You know, like when she
did like what we were talkingabout, she changed her diet, and
she changed her lifestyle. Andthen people were criticizing
her, because she was not gonnaget skinny, which she hasn't
gotten skinny. She's changed alittle bit, but it's not like an
overnight thing. Um, so I thinkit would affect them, you know,
(25:23):
and they've made a career out ofthat. So,
you know, it is something tothink about. Because you no
longer if she were to lose allthis weight, she would no longer
be the plus size model that mayyou know, so, like, look at the
girl from what's the name of themovie of the girl. The girl
(25:45):
said, harmonise. Rebel Wilson?
Yes. She was like, a lot ofweight, or losing weight. That
doesn't make her a differentperson. She's still the same
actress. But some people weresaying she's not the same, you
know? Well, look at all theroles that she played, she
played the chubby bestfriend allthe jokes were about her we, you
(26:05):
know, it was like, that was partof the characters that she's
played, at least the movies thatI've seen her in. So
she wouldn't be able to play thesame roles because she's no
longer there, Toby best friends,you know, they can poke fun on
her for being the fat one or,you know, having double chin or
(26:26):
whatever. So it does change. Andit's going to affect her because
like you said, like, people onlyknow her as that role. I wonder,
you know, what her next role isgoing to be and how it's going
to define it's going to bedifficult for her I could, you
know, I would see just likeAdele, right? Adele, you know,
and it's so sad because they'retrying to live, you know,
(26:47):
they're trying to improvethemselves at the end of the
day. And yes, Adele wasbeautiful, then beautiful. Now
it doesn't make her better. Ihate the comments. I say, Oh,
look at her now she's glowing.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure shewas going before. I mean, look
at how many Yes.
Wow. And all those pictures cameout a few months ago. She was so
thin. And everybody was like,She's so gorgeous. And I thought
(27:09):
she was so incredibly gorgeouswhen she was plus size. I mean,
I was obsessed with her look,because she kind of had kind of
like that 60s vibe going. And Ithought she was so beautiful.
Like Never did I think whileAdele she would lose some
weight, she would look better.
You know, I thought she wasgorgeous as she was and then
when she came out and that's allyou heard in the media was, Oh,
she looks so fantastic. But thenlike two weeks later, they're
(27:31):
like, oh, adults getting tooskinny. She's now too thin. And
it's like, how do you win? Youcan't win with these people.
Just like Grandma, like evengrandma. You're either too fat
or too skinny in between? Yes,like when you go to family get
togethers. If you don't eat,they think oh, there's something
wrong. You're not eating, you'regonna get too skinny. You're
(27:52):
like, I want that and I walkaway that opinion or the you
know, you're getting fat Closeyour mouth.
happens. It's true story. I'msure. We've all been through.
or ethnic. I've heard other aswell. Well, it did take Jessica
Simpson a few years ago. Iforgot what year when she came
(28:15):
out to do a chili cook off. AndI think she will the size 10 and
people said oh my gosh, she's sobig. You know? And looking back
at that is like when you'rewatching it. You think Yeah,
she's got too big, but we'vebeen conditioned by the media to
think that she's gotten big.
When in reality she was only asize 10 she looks good if you
look at her now. You gorgeousYeah, it's just the way it's
(28:38):
seen, you know, Oh, she changedwaiter. Oh, a doe last way. She
must feel way better. Like nowshe could I'm like, bro, she's
she went all those Grammys? Idon't know.
Yeah, the weights, I'm gonnaaffect her boys, you know,
has nothing to do with that.
It's so much pressure on onthese actresses and models.
(28:58):
Like, I can't imagine what thatwould be like to, to live under
that scrutiny, you know that yougain two pounds and you're, you
know, on the cover of a magazinebecause you gained two pounds
or, you know, if you get tooskinny. Like, that's just
terrible. There's so muchpressure just on the outside,
when you really should befocusing on what's on the
inside. Yeah, and what's in theinside doesn't change. I mean,
(29:20):
if you're a nasty person, whenyou're skinny and you get fat,
you're still a nasty person.
Exactly. Your personalitydoesn't change, you know,
exactly. I just don't know whatwe could all do. I mean, I know
we can individually do toimprove because, number one we
(29:43):
should focus on, you know,letting people do what they want
to you know, how can I say this?
We could, I would thinkindividually everyone take care
of their health. Number onewhen it comes to celebrities,
you know,Pick and choose if you're I
would, I'm not a parent, but youhave nieces and nephews, right?
(30:08):
You would want him to look up topeople or tell you hey, Vivian,
like, look at this look at Tessholiday Look, it doesn't matter
if I eat I get fat, I'm stillgonna look good. How would that
make you feel?
Um, well, with my knees, we allyou know, she's 10 years old. So
(30:30):
she's in that age where shestarts noticing her body. And
she's feels very self conscious.
And she looks around and youknow, she's very tall for her
age. Um, so she's like her thebiggest one in her class. And
she always looks around andthinks, you know, like, why am I
different from everybody else.
And so we always try to stressyou know, that you're beautiful,
(30:53):
you're unique, you're different.
And we're all different, youknow, that's what makes us
special and beautiful. Um, she'sstill not looking so much at
at different actresses or peoplelike that, like as one person
and saying, This is my rolemodel, I look up to her
(31:13):
collectively looking atdifferent things. Um,
but we do try to kind of steerher towards, you know, positive
role models, and things likethat. And even test, she might
not be 100% positive role model.
But there are things that Ithink that are positive about
her. And she does try, I thinkshe does try to, to bring out a
(31:33):
positive message that sheadvocates are for the gay
community, and she advocatesfor mental health issues, and
things like that. I think I'mnot sure if it was her
personally, or her mom thatsuffered
an abusive relationship. So shealways also advocates for women
(31:54):
to get support if they're in anabusive relationship and things
like that. So there are positivethings about her and, you know,
maybe focusing on the positive.
But I think that's a personalthing, you know, who think when
will you have a role model orsomeone that you look up to,
it's for a very personal reason,like, there's something about
that person that kind ofresonates with you. And that's
why you look to them as somebodythat you look up to.
(32:21):
When I think of testsThis is for all you plus a
ladies you guys wouldunderstand. When I think of
tests, I think of a comment thatI get all the time that is Oh my
god, you have such a beautifulface. But you're if you lost a
little way,because most annoying comments.
chubby girl can get Yeah, youknow, a chubby girl never tell
(32:43):
her never never if you're a mannever do this to her. Never tell
her Oh, you're so cute. If youlost a little more, or you have
a cute face if he was a littleway, you know?
That's for you to be the perfectwoman. If only you were thin. I
got one from a guy. Yes. You'dbe perfect. If only you were
(33:08):
thin.
Like really? Okay.
Some people, some people, but Ifeel like test gets that a lot.
Because when I was looking upstuff about or a lot, that
comment came out so many times.
And I'm here like you I feellike everybody gets this comment
that's plus size. I think it'sbecause you know, our beloved,
she was so scared a little moreextra plump in the face. So it
(33:31):
gives us that little baby like,feature.
We don't wrinkle as quickly.
So how do you feel about how,you know, I know one thing I
Another thing I do like abouttest holiday that I can't hate
(33:55):
on is that she owns hersexuality when it comes to
things. So, you know, I feellike it's such a weird
mental state that we all havethat like fat women are not sexy
when fat women are sexy. Andthat's something on the next
episode that I'm with you twoweeks from now, because I want
(34:15):
to let people soak in this. Andmarinate because as you can see,
we both have like differentopinions in this conversation.
But it's a conversation that Ifeel like we need to have and to
get ideas and I'm always aboutlearning new things and seeing a
new perspective. Because of nowI'll just sit here in my room
alone, just thinking all thesethoughts.
(34:40):
Staring at the beyond thinkingall these things
like test does show hersexuality which is something
that I feel like weas you know, and I use fat and
not a mean way because but I ownit because I'm going to add that
word doesn't offend me. MaybeWhen I was growing up, I heard
the word fat. It was like, Oh,you know, but as an adult, you
(35:02):
know, I'm, I've come to acceptmyself and love myself. And
that's just part of who I am.
It's not what you know, the onlything I am and it's the word
doesn't bother me. I am fat. Iam overweight, you know. Can't
hide it. So, yeah. So beautiful.
(35:24):
But yeah, so test, I feel likeshe does show the the sexual
side, you know, which I really,I really appreciate just like
Ashley, like she'll show herselfbreastfeeding her child. You
know, that's a whole differentsubject about breastfeeding in
public. I'm actually gonna havea few pinup moms come on the
(35:45):
show in the future to talk aboutbeing a mom and different
things.
Butbeing sexual shouldn't be just
for skinny people or, or smart.
No, absolutely not. But then youalso have people that objectify
(36:05):
but every genre has objectobjectification of sexuality.
I'm sure there'smen that love fat when you know,
that's a, I would say thatlearning from a few episodes ago
was Sarah. Yeah.
It isn't a kink. You know, Ifeel like that's its own little
world. And you would have to belike, she would say, consenting
(36:27):
adults, you know, if you do wantto participate in that kind of
stuff, you know, there's womenthat feel like, well, if you
know, I'm going to be with he'swith me, because it's a fetish
to him to be with a biggerwoman, I have an issue with
that. I personally don't have anissue with that. Because I think
if you're gonna like me and findme beautiful, if that's your
fetish, that's fine. If that'syour kink, that's fine. If you
(36:49):
just find me beautiful, that'sfine, too. You know, so that
personally, that's like, on apersonal level, that doesn't
bother me. Um, but yeah, it'slike everything. There's
preference, I have a preferenceas well, you know, and we all
have our thing. We all we allhave our type, right. So, yeah,
(37:09):
that doesn't offend me, in theleast. And that is what we're
going to talk about. In the nextepisode that we're together,
we're going to talk about, youknow, dating and being
big and bad. AtJD it wasn't difficult enough.
(37:30):
A good thing I'm not datingright now. But I, I've, I've
dated a lot. So I have a lot tosay in that episode. I'm sure
you as well. And if you guyshave anything to say, you know,
make sure to text me or write itdown below. And I'll say it in
the episode. It's gonna beEpisode 45. So next week, I
(37:53):
have, we're going to take alittle break from all the
fatphobia influencers plus size,we're going to talk about pin up
again. But this also revolves topin up because in the pinup
world, you know, it's more sizeinclusive now, in the vintage
world with all these repotbrands, and, you know, loving
(38:14):
our bodies. So this is veryprevalent to the pinup world.
Um, but next week, I'm going totalk about pin tamper, I'm gonna
have the two owners of pintamper, come on to the show, and
talk about the first meetupevent in the west coast of
Florida that I'm so excited tostart, we started pin Tampa, in
the middle of the pandemic. Andfinally, we're going to have the
(38:35):
first event. So we're gonna talkabout that.
following week after that, we'regoing to talk about the
continuation and dating andbeing plus size. And I really
want to hear what you guys haveto say, cuz me and Vivian, as
you could see, we have so manythoughts and opinions about this
topic. Um, and we just want toconverse and bring it out. Do
(38:58):
you have anything that you wantto add or request?
Well, definitely, if anybody youknow, has any pointers for
dating incurrent life situations, and you
know, being plus size, I welcomehim because I'm a single girl,
and I'm struggling in the datingscene. So Vivian up
(39:24):
some pointers.
And definitely, you know, owningour sexuality. You touched on
that subject, and I've beendying to dive into that, you
know, when we've had thesetopics before, because it's so
important, like you said, youknow, just because we're
overweight or plus size doesn'tmean we're any less sexual than
a thin woman. So absolutely, Ithink that's a great topic to
(39:46):
touch on. So any pointers, anyopinions, any ideas, bring them
on? I'm so excited for thatepisode.
podcast after darkYou guys seem to be loving these
subjects and I appreciate thefeedback. But stay tuned guys, I
look forward to this to hearingyou what you guys have to say.
(40:10):
I'm so excited. Thank you againone more time for listening in.
And thank you, Vivian, forjoining this week. It means the
world to have you again. I'm sohappy to be back and you'll be
back again soon. Don't get toocomfortable away from
Alright guys, stay safe. Behappy. Love yourself.
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(03:02):
while. And it's going to be anintense conversation that I want
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a second part to this episode.
For this episode, I have Vivianyou know her she's been here
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(03:23):
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today's episode andit's gonna be about
(03:50):
being plus size is all bodiesbeautiful, you know, and how
it's seen in the media in theworld and influencers. Like
there's so many things underthis topic, but we're gonna
touch over a few. We want to seewhat you guys have to say. So
make sure to keep this aconversation and
let us know in the commentsbelow what you think, or ideas
(04:12):
that you have. So, Vivian, we'reboth you know, I can speak for
both of us. We're both plus sizewomen. Yeah.
To us, maybe I can speak formyself, but you know, medically
obese. So yeah, I'm pretty safe.
So and if I don't know how elseto put it.
(04:36):
So I wanted to talk about todayabout a few topics. So I've
heard the statement all bodiesare beautiful. And I've heard
the statement that all bodiesare healthy bodies. So I'm
wanting to break this down. Likedo you agree that all bodies are
beautiful?
Vivian (04:55):
I do agree that all bodies are beautiful. Like
there's beauty and everythingyou know, and every
One is the way they are. That'show you were born. That's how
you are how you exist. And ofcourse, there's beauty in that,
you know, and it's like they saybeauty is in the eye of the
beholder. But I think you canfind beauty everywhere. So
absolutely, there's, you know,all bodies are beautiful. I
(05:16):
agree. And how about our bodiesare healthy, all bodies are
healthy bodies. I don't know ifyou ever heard this mantra?
Well, that's a little morecontroversial. I believe that
you can be fat and be healthy.
Absolutely. I've always been avery healthy fat person. I've
never had diabetes, I haven'thad you know, high cholesterol,
(05:37):
I haven't had any issues. AfterI turned 40, I had started
having high blood pressure, butthat's it's maintained, you
know, I have it under controland everything's okay. But other
than that, I've always been avery healthy person, and I've
been overweight my entire life.
So you can be overweight and behealthy. But that's a very
(05:58):
personal thing. You know, thereare people who are overweight or
not healthy, but at the sametime, there's a lot of thin
people that are not healthy,too. So I don't think health is,
you know, directly correlated tothe way that but um, it can be I
mean, it just depends. See, Iagree and disagree.
Unknown (06:20):
Bring it on, bring it on.
Yeah, this episode, I reallyhave been thinking about this
topic.
Yes. Cheers.
I've never been a Starbucks fanuntil take the talk, because I
love the words Barbies. And thenI don't know, just people.
(06:45):
I've had this idea in my headthat like, Yes, I like yourself.
I've always been a bigger girl.
I mean, I'm a twin and my twinhas always been skinny. I've
always been bigger. Um,let me I'm just gonna come on
and say it. I'm always on thefence. Because I know that I
could be healthier if I wasthinner, not super thin, but
like just a couple of pounds.
(07:09):
Um, I've done runway walks. Butthen I've also seen girls bigger
than me do a one way walk, butit feels like they're hurting
their knees because they're notwalking correctly. Um, I feel
like it's a thin line betweenbeing healthy. And being, you
know, fat.
(07:33):
Let me see if I'm translatingthis. Well, I agree. Can I be
healthier? Yes, absolutely. Butfor the most part, I want to
sample I was about 40. I'm 44.
Now, but until I turn 48, Inever had any health issues I
really didn't. And around thattime is when I started having
high blood pressure. But beforethen I never had anything I have
my you know, normal sugar,normal cholesterol, things that
(07:56):
are normally attributed to, youknow, being overweight. I never
had an issue with but can I behealthier? Yes, absolutely. I
get tired. You know, when I dothings and, you know, I might
get out of breath going up aflight of stairs and things like
that. So of course, I could behealthier. But I don't think
that it's always like, youshouldn't just if you see an
(08:18):
overweight person at the mall orwherever, just assume that
they're an unhealthy person.
Because you don't know what thatperson's background is. Or, you
know, that's what I meant bythat. Have you ever had a
doctor's I've seen I've hadother girls tell me that they go
to the doctor and before thedoctor even diagnosis them, they
(08:39):
already say Oh, I know what theissue is because you're you're
you're fat, you need to loseweight, you're morbidly obese.
Do you think that's everhappened to you? Yes, that's
happened to me a lot. Um,thankfully, like you, Oh, um,
you have to advocate foryourself. And it's not, there's
a million doctors out there.
Right. So if you go to a doctorthat doesn't listen to you, or
(09:00):
you don't feel heard by thisperson, or respected by this
doctor, it's very simple to justleave and find another doctor.
You know, there's there will besomeone where you have a good
fit with. I also believe inchemistry, if you go to a
doctor, you don't have chemistrywith a doctor, it's very hard to
kind of build that relationshipor those will there sit down and
like actually listen to you and,you know, give time to all your
(09:24):
concerns and all of that. So Ineed to find a doctor and
chemistry in a day.
Well, my dad always makes fun ofme and tells me like that all my
doctors are friends of mine. Andit's it's kind of true.
Like, I'm friends with gooddentist, I'm friends. You know,
(09:45):
with mypersonality. I just feel like
you have to have like they don'thave to be your close friend,
but just have a comfort levelwith that person where you're
able to sit down and have aconversation about your
concerns. You know,So, because I have had doctors
in the past where you go, andthey don't listen to you, and
they're just like, theyattribute everything to me being
(10:06):
fat. And so, you know, nothingis a big deal. And that's,
that's not fun. That's not okay.
And how do you feel aboutinfluence? Like, for example, a
big influencer, or the firstSports Illustrated model was
Ashley Graham. Right? Would youconsider her a plus size model?
(10:26):
Well, by today's standards,she's a plus size model. So I
consider her plus size. No.
I mean, she's gorgeous. I would,you know,
I would love to have her figure,you know, I don't consider her
plus size. But, you know, bySenate, I don't think she's
large enough to be I willconsider her like mid size. You
(10:48):
know, she's not skinny, she'snot big. She's like a mid size
model. But by beauty standardshares plus size, because I
think anything over like a size10 is considered plus size for
the media. Sobut she has done a lot, I think
in terms of body positivity andloving yourself and kind of, you
know, bringing light to, youknow, inclusivity and having
(11:12):
more plus size model on therunways. I think she's done a
lot in that in that area.
Do you feel like she's a goodrole model? Because I really
like what you just said is why Ilike Ashley Graham. Yeah, she's
a plus size girl, but sheadvocates health.
You know, body positivity, notjust enforcing the other stigma
(11:34):
that we were talking about. Allbodies are healthy, she mostly
promoted, at least in my eyes.
She promotes a healthylifestyle. She just happens to
be, you know, curvy. Right?
Well, you know, like I said,I've been big my entire life, if
you see my baby pictures, I cameout of the womb, like a chubby
girl. But, um, there's more tome than just that, you know. So
(11:59):
when I meet somebody, I don'twant them to like me, because
I'm fat. There's more to me thanthat, you know, that's just one
of the things and I, of course,would love people to accept me
for being larger because I am,you know, it's part of me. But
there's so much more. So I loveinfluencers and people in the
media that are like that, likeyou said, like, they enforce a
(12:21):
lifestyle, you know, beinghealthier, but also accepting
yourself as you are and allthese different things. It's not
just, you know, I'm fat exceptme. That's it. You know, there's
more to it than that.
You know, it's funny that yousay that, because like
influencers, for example, likeAshley Graham, like if you see
her eating healthy, that'snobody really says anything. But
(12:45):
recently lizzo she posted upabout, you know, doing a cleanse
and eating healthy and peoplewere attacking her, you know,
because she was trying to dosomething healthy for her body.
It's Do you, I feel like there'slike a lose, what's the word I'm
looking for? But like, you know,you're a big girl that makes her
(13:07):
name out of being big andpromoting positive body
positivity decides to dosomething for herself. And
people see it as, Oh, well. Ithought you were all about pro
body and body positivity. Ijust, I guess that's what I've
been going back and forth in myhead is they're trying.
They're trying to promotebody positivity in all body
(13:31):
shapes. But if they're trying todo something good for
themselves, people justattacking by saying, Oh, well,
that's not body positive. Likekeep eating your burgers girl.
Like you don't need a cleanse.
You still look good. I feel likethat's a toxic comment. And
that's what I'm trying to bringout in this episode. Um, Why
(13:52):
think Liz? Oh, I think she shedid the cleanse. She went vegan.
I don't I follow her onInstagram and Tiktok. But I
don't I don't know enough aboutwhy she did it.
If it was for health reasons, orif it was more
like a, you know, foranimal rights or anything else,
(14:13):
I'm not sure the reason behindit. But I do know that she was
attacked in the media for that.
And then, you know, you can be abigger and still eat healthy,
you know, I eat healthy most ofthe time, believe it or not.
So it just, you know, and whatshe was doing was the same thing
(14:34):
that she advocates, sheadvocates for self love taking
care of yourself, doing thingsfor yourself. And that's exactly
what she did. You know, she feltlike she needed to do something
for her health, for her spirit.
And that's why she chose tohelp, you know, to just change
the way that she ate and whatshe was doing for herself. So I
applaud that, you know whethershe loses weight or not, or
(14:56):
whatever the reasons for it. Ibuy
That up, you know, because shedid something for herself. And
that's what she always standsfor. And like Liz Oh, I like her
to see the positive role model.
At least in when I think oflike, plus size. Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah. She's verylike pro woman, you know, being
(15:19):
an independent woman. And so Ilike that about her. And she
even has like this applicationto be a model for her partner
for me. Yeah, modeling for her.
And it's like, she givesopportunities to all types of
bodies and that's what I reallylove.
But when it comes to Will you beapplying for that
(15:41):
spot on that? I know.
I know me shy. Nah, you shouldyou should I've seen videos or
have like friends because thefriends are shy or whatever,
like friends that did theaudition video for them and be
likeyou should consider I'm gonna
think about I should do youknow not that great luck of
(16:08):
yours.
Talking about influencers? A bigname that comes up in plus size
is test holidaying.
You know, this is another Well,this is an influencer that I'm
always on the fence about, youknow, I know that she was the
(16:29):
first plus size model on, um, Iwas sitting with a magazine. She
was the front cover girl fora magazine. And she was very
criticized on it. Because shewas very big. She's heavily
tattooed. She's super small fora model. And I think she's like,
five or 411 or something likethat. No, she's actually we're
(16:54):
the same height. I'm 540. She'sfine. She was five, four. So
she's actually not that short.
Oh, I'm 540.
So she's my model standard, Iguess, models.
So she's shorter than a model.
She's bigger than a nor, like,bigger than the normal model for
(17:14):
sure. Bigger than Ashley. Um,but I what I say on the fence
with her is, I don't considerher like a good role model, in
my opinion, forthe plus size world.
(17:35):
Why don't you consider her agood role model? Because she,
unlike the other people thatwe've talked about, like lizzo,
and Ashley, they advocate ahealthy lifestyle. And yes,
they're still plus size, but Isee test doing photoshoots with
burgers, or, you know, promotingcontroversy when it comes to
(17:58):
binge eating. Um, justit's not the same kind of vibe
that I get from all the otherplus size influencers that we're
speaking about. I get more oflike she's promoting the
bigness. This, but instead ofpromoting body positivity, which
goes back to the first subjectthat we're talking about is
(18:22):
like, are all bodies beautiful?
Or are all bodies are healthy?
You know, I think she thinksmore of our bodies are
beautiful. It doesn't matterwhat I put in my mouth when in
reality, you know, deep down atthe end of the day, it does
matter what you put in yourmouth. I mean, if we all ate
burgers everyday, or really badstuff every day, we'd all be
really bad health. I mean, I'msure the girl in the TV show my
(18:47):
600 pound life. You know?
I'm sure they don't feelbeautiful when they need to ask
somebody for help to get out ofthe bed or need you know,
listen, bream work, I cannotwatch the show.
I watch all the bad TV on TLC.
But I cannot watch that show fortwo reasons. One, every time I
(19:08):
watch my 600 pound life, I siton my couch thinking oh my god
because I maybe one day like amI gonna keep gaining weight and
become one of the people on thisshow and then like messes with
my head. And the second reasonis that every woman on that show
has a boyfriend.
Every single one of them theycan't leave my house but they
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have boyfriends. And every timeI watch it, I'm like but what is
wrong with me myboyfriend and other women on
this show have boyfriends. Butthat's a whole nother subject
day.
That's part three, three.
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But you see what I mean? is isthat lifestyle. Um, you know it
my 600 pound life. You know,it's an extreme
Dream, but it's an extreme. Alot of Americans go through, you
know, it's not like an occasionlike, I don't know, I noticed
the rise in, you know how manycontestants are and that
contestants is not a team likethat kind of show. But there's a
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lot of people that are extremelyoverweight, even if you go to
Disney World, you see?
And in no way shape or form, amI saying these people are not
beautiful? Everyone isbeautiful. I mean, like you say,
there's beauties in the eye ofthe beholder. They are all
married or have boyfriends.
Exactly, exactly. So, nowthere's beauty in everyone. But
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um, I think also wanted to anextreme like that there's also
either eating disordersinvolved, or mental health
issues a lot of the time, youknow, on that show, you see
them, you know, where they haveto go to therapy, and, you know,
because to let something go tothat point, there has to be a
reason for it, you know, in thebackground.
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More than just medically, it'susually a mental health issue as
well.
Well, even with and I know a lotof plus size influencers or
anybody online, will criticize.
I don't know if you know whoEugenia cooney is she's an
extremely skinny Twitch, she's agamer on Twitch. Oh, yes, yes,
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yes, yes, I know who you'retalking about. And people
criticize her for being toothin, too thin that you can see
her bones. Again, all bodies arebeautiful. All bodies are
healthy at any size. I mean, I'mjust quoting what we're talking
about. Um, but it's the samekind of mentality but flipped
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around, she finds herselflooking great. And, you know,
but people still criticize herfor her weight. So no matter
what, there's always going to becriticism, but it's about
finding the healthy balancebecause for her, she has a lot
of controversy online as peopleare saying that she should be
banned. because she'll be livestreaming for like 12 hours or
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eight hours straight. She nevergoes to the bathroom. She never
eats she never drinks water.
There was even if I remembercorrectly, a challenge called
the Eugenia cooney challengethat people watch your streams
and not eat or drink becauseyou're trying to be like her. So
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that could affect minors, youknow, cuz she was, you know,
gamers are usually youngeraudience. So it could be the
same thing with like, tests,younger girls looking up to
tests and thinking shit, I caneat whatever I want, because I'm
beautiful. See? So I feel likethere's there's two extreme
examples that I'm giving. And Ifeel like we share. A lot of the
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times when test does things likethat. It's almost like in
response, or she's trying to, Idon't want to say bait the
audience, but it's, it's almostin response to the attacks that
she gets online because she doesget a lot of negative comments
and you know, people just bereally mean to her.
And I think that's almost likea, like people that laugh at
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themselves. Because I thinkpeople are gonna laugh at them
kind of thing, where she doesthat because she's like, well,
you think I'm gonna, I sitaround eating bonbons all day.
So, if that's what you thinkabout me, here you go. That's
how I feel sometimes just likebecause I follow her and what
you know, looking at her feed,sometimes I'm like, Okay, here
we go. You know, what is itgoing to be today? Because, you
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know, she was attacked bysomebody but people are
relentless in theircommentaries. I like the things
that they tell her. You likeread her comments, like so mean,
you know, it's just terrible.
I haven't read her comments. Iusually I've seen the Eugenia
cooney ones. Andher comments are mostly like,
(23:55):
Oh, you know, you're sobeautiful, but you're gonna die.
You know, I'm sure test gets thesame thing. Like, you're so
beautiful, but you're so fat,you're gonna die. Um,
I don't know, where the linereaches of people trying to
intervene into people's lives.
Like, I know that. When peoplesay that sincerely, they mean it
in the right, you know, youknow, they these are fans of
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these girls, and they want tosee them, you know? Well,
but do you think in these twoextreme examples, that it's
difficult for these women to tryto try to live a healthier
lifestyle without losing theirfame? I mean, test is known
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known for being fat. Eugenia isknown for being skinny. I would
think mentally Eugenia would belike, man, if I gain weight,
because I've seen a lot ofvideos of people. A lot of
negative attention for it, butit's still attention. Yes, no,
it's still fame. It's still youknow, no.
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notoriety for, for thosereasons. So I think it would
affect them in a way, just likelizzo. You know, like when she
did like what we were talkingabout, she changed her diet, and
she changed her lifestyle. Andthen people were criticizing
her, because she was not gonnaget skinny, which she hasn't
gotten skinny. She's changed alittle bit, but it's not like an
overnight thing. Um, so I thinkit would affect them, you know,
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and they've made a career out ofthat. So,
you know, it is something tothink about. Because you no
longer if she were to lose allthis weight, she would no longer
be the plus size model that mayyou know, so, like, look at the
girl from what's the name of themovie of the girl. The girl
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said, harmonise. Rebel Wilson?
Yes. She was like, a lot ofweight, or losing weight. That
doesn't make her a differentperson. She's still the same
actress. But some people weresaying she's not the same, you
know? Well, look at all theroles that she played, she
played the chubby bestfriend allthe jokes were about her we, you
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know, it was like, that was partof the characters that she's
played, at least the movies thatI've seen her in. So
she wouldn't be able to play thesame roles because she's no
longer there, Toby best friends,you know, they can poke fun on
her for being the fat one or,you know, having double chin or
(26:26):
whatever. So it does change. Andit's going to affect her because
like you said, like, people onlyknow her as that role. I wonder,
you know, what her next role isgoing to be and how it's going
to define it's going to bedifficult for her I could, you
know, I would see just likeAdele, right? Adele, you know,
and it's so sad because they'retrying to live, you know,
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they're trying to improvethemselves at the end of the
day. And yes, Adele wasbeautiful, then beautiful. Now
it doesn't make her better. Ihate the comments. I say, Oh,
look at her now she's glowing.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure shewas going before. I mean, look
at how many Yes.
Wow. And all those pictures cameout a few months ago. She was so
thin. And everybody was like,She's so gorgeous. And I thought
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she was so incredibly gorgeouswhen she was plus size. I mean,
I was obsessed with her look,because she kind of had kind of
like that 60s vibe going. And Ithought she was so beautiful.
Like Never did I think whileAdele she would lose some
weight, she would look better.
You know, I thought she wasgorgeous as she was and then
when she came out and that's allyou heard in the media was, Oh,
she looks so fantastic. But thenlike two weeks later, they're
(27:31):
like, oh, adults getting tooskinny. She's now too thin. And
it's like, how do you win? Youcan't win with these people.
Just like Grandma, like evengrandma. You're either too fat
or too skinny in between? Yes,like when you go to family get
togethers. If you don't eat,they think oh, there's something
wrong. You're not eating, you'regonna get too skinny. You're
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like, I want that and I walkaway that opinion or the you
know, you're getting fat Closeyour mouth.
happens. It's true story. I'msure. We've all been through.
or ethnic. I've heard other aswell. Well, it did take Jessica
Simpson a few years ago. Iforgot what year when she came
(28:15):
out to do a chili cook off. AndI think she will the size 10 and
people said oh my gosh, she's sobig. You know? And looking back
at that is like when you'rewatching it. You think Yeah,
she's got too big, but we'vebeen conditioned by the media to
think that she's gotten big.
When in reality she was only asize 10 she looks good if you
look at her now. You gorgeousYeah, it's just the way it's
(28:38):
seen, you know, Oh, she changedwaiter. Oh, a doe last way. She
must feel way better. Like nowshe could I'm like, bro, she's
she went all those Grammys? Idon't know.
Yeah, the weights, I'm gonnaaffect her boys, you know,
has nothing to do with that.
It's so much pressure on onthese actresses and models.
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Like, I can't imagine what thatwould be like to, to live under
that scrutiny, you know that yougain two pounds and you're, you
know, on the cover of a magazinebecause you gained two pounds
or, you know, if you get tooskinny. Like, that's just
terrible. There's so muchpressure just on the outside,
when you really should befocusing on what's on the
inside. Yeah, and what's in theinside doesn't change. I mean,
(29:20):
if you're a nasty person, whenyou're skinny and you get fat,
you're still a nasty person.
Exactly. Your personalitydoesn't change, you know,
exactly. I just don't know whatwe could all do. I mean, I know
we can individually do toimprove because, number one we
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should focus on, you know,letting people do what they want
to you know, how can I say this?
We could, I would thinkindividually everyone take care
of their health. Number onewhen it comes to celebrities,
you know,Pick and choose if you're I
would, I'm not a parent, but youhave nieces and nephews, right?
(30:08):
You would want him to look up topeople or tell you hey, Vivian,
like, look at this look at Tessholiday Look, it doesn't matter
if I eat I get fat, I'm stillgonna look good. How would that
make you feel?
Um, well, with my knees, we allyou know, she's 10 years old. So
(30:30):
she's in that age where shestarts noticing her body. And
she's feels very self conscious.
And she looks around and youknow, she's very tall for her
age. Um, so she's like her thebiggest one in her class. And
she always looks around andthinks, you know, like, why am I
different from everybody else.
And so we always try to stressyou know, that you're beautiful,
(30:53):
you're unique, you're different.
And we're all different, youknow, that's what makes us
special and beautiful. Um, she'sstill not looking so much at
at different actresses or peoplelike that, like as one person
and saying, This is my rolemodel, I look up to her
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collectively looking atdifferent things. Um,
but we do try to kind of steerher towards, you know, positive
role models, and things likethat. And even test, she might
not be 100% positive role model.
But there are things that Ithink that are positive about
her. And she does try, I thinkshe does try to, to bring out a
(31:33):
positive message that sheadvocates are for the gay
community, and she advocatesfor mental health issues, and
things like that. I think I'mnot sure if it was her
personally, or her mom thatsuffered
an abusive relationship. So shealways also advocates for women
(31:54):
to get support if they're in anabusive relationship and things
like that. So there are positivethings about her and, you know,
maybe focusing on the positive.
But I think that's a personalthing, you know, who think when
will you have a role model orsomeone that you look up to,
it's for a very personal reason,like, there's something about
that person that kind ofresonates with you. And that's
why you look to them as somebodythat you look up to.
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When I think of testsThis is for all you plus a
ladies you guys wouldunderstand. When I think of
tests, I think of a comment thatI get all the time that is Oh my
god, you have such a beautifulface. But you're if you lost a
little way,because most annoying comments.
chubby girl can get Yeah, youknow, a chubby girl never tell
(32:43):
her never never if you're a mannever do this to her. Never tell
her Oh, you're so cute. If youlost a little more, or you have
a cute face if he was a littleway, you know?
That's for you to be the perfectwoman. If only you were thin. I
got one from a guy. Yes. You'dbe perfect. If only you were
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thin.
Like really? Okay.
Some people, some people, but Ifeel like test gets that a lot.
Because when I was looking upstuff about or a lot, that
comment came out so many times.
And I'm here like you I feellike everybody gets this comment
that's plus size. I think it'sbecause you know, our beloved,
she was so scared a little moreextra plump in the face. So it
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gives us that little baby like,feature.
We don't wrinkle as quickly.
So how do you feel about how,you know, I know one thing I
Another thing I do like abouttest holiday that I can't hate
(33:55):
on is that she owns hersexuality when it comes to
things. So, you know, I feellike it's such a weird
mental state that we all havethat like fat women are not sexy
when fat women are sexy. Andthat's something on the next
episode that I'm with you twoweeks from now, because I want
(34:15):
to let people soak in this. Andmarinate because as you can see,
we both have like differentopinions in this conversation.
But it's a conversation that Ifeel like we need to have and to
get ideas and I'm always aboutlearning new things and seeing a
new perspective. Because of nowI'll just sit here in my room
alone, just thinking all thesethoughts.
(34:40):
Staring at the beyond thinkingall these things
like test does show hersexuality which is something
that I feel like weas you know, and I use fat and
not a mean way because but I ownit because I'm going to add that
word doesn't offend me. MaybeWhen I was growing up, I heard
the word fat. It was like, Oh,you know, but as an adult, you
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know, I'm, I've come to acceptmyself and love myself. And
that's just part of who I am.
It's not what you know, the onlything I am and it's the word
doesn't bother me. I am fat. Iam overweight, you know. Can't
hide it. So, yeah. So beautiful.
(35:24):
But yeah, so test, I feel likeshe does show the the sexual
side, you know, which I really,I really appreciate just like
Ashley, like she'll show herselfbreastfeeding her child. You
know, that's a whole differentsubject about breastfeeding in
public. I'm actually gonna havea few pinup moms come on the
(35:45):
show in the future to talk aboutbeing a mom and different
things.
Butbeing sexual shouldn't be just
for skinny people or, or smart.
No, absolutely not. But then youalso have people that objectify
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but every genre has objectobjectification of sexuality.
I'm sure there'smen that love fat when you know,
that's a, I would say thatlearning from a few episodes ago
was Sarah. Yeah.
It isn't a kink. You know, Ifeel like that's its own little
world. And you would have to belike, she would say, consenting
(36:27):
adults, you know, if you do wantto participate in that kind of
stuff, you know, there's womenthat feel like, well, if you
know, I'm going to be with he'swith me, because it's a fetish
to him to be with a biggerwoman, I have an issue with
that. I personally don't have anissue with that. Because I think
if you're gonna like me and findme beautiful, if that's your
fetish, that's fine. If that'syour kink, that's fine. If you
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just find me beautiful, that'sfine, too. You know, so that
personally, that's like, on apersonal level, that doesn't
bother me. Um, but yeah, it'slike everything. There's
preference, I have a preferenceas well, you know, and we all
have our thing. We all we allhave our type, right. So, yeah,
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that doesn't offend me, in theleast. And that is what we're
going to talk about. In the nextepisode that we're together,
we're going to talk about, youknow, dating and being
big and bad. AtJD it wasn't difficult enough.
(37:30):
A good thing I'm not datingright now. But I, I've, I've
dated a lot. So I have a lot tosay in that episode. I'm sure
you as well. And if you guyshave anything to say, you know,
make sure to text me or write itdown below. And I'll say it in
the episode. It's gonna beEpisode 45. So next week, I
(37:53):
have, we're going to take alittle break from all the
fatphobia influencers plus size,we're going to talk about pin up
again. But this also revolves topin up because in the pinup
world, you know, it's more sizeinclusive now, in the vintage
world with all these repotbrands, and, you know, loving
(38:14):
our bodies. So this is veryprevalent to the pinup world.
Um, but next week, I'm going totalk about pin tamper, I'm gonna
have the two owners of pintamper, come on to the show, and
talk about the first meetupevent in the west coast of
Florida that I'm so excited tostart, we started pin Tampa, in
the middle of the pandemic. Andfinally, we're going to have the
(38:35):
first event. So we're gonna talkabout that.
following week after that, we'regoing to talk about the
continuation and dating andbeing plus size. And I really
want to hear what you guys haveto say, cuz me and Vivian, as
you could see, we have so manythoughts and opinions about this
topic. Um, and we just want toconverse and bring it out. Do
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you have anything that you wantto add or request?
Well, definitely, if anybody youknow, has any pointers for
dating incurrent life situations, and you
know, being plus size, I welcomehim because I'm a single girl,
and I'm struggling in the datingscene. So Vivian up
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some pointers.
And definitely, you know, owningour sexuality. You touched on
that subject, and I've beendying to dive into that, you
know, when we've had thesetopics before, because it's so
important, like you said, youknow, just because we're
overweight or plus size doesn'tmean we're any less sexual than
a thin woman. So absolutely, Ithink that's a great topic to
(39:46):
touch on. So any pointers, anyopinions, any ideas, bring them
on? I'm so excited for thatepisode.
podcast after darkYou guys seem to be loving these
subjects and I appreciate thefeedback. But stay tuned guys, I
look forward to this to hearingyou what you guys have to say.
(40:10):
I'm so excited. Thank you againone more time for listening in.
And thank you, Vivian, forjoining this week. It means the
world to have you again. I'm sohappy to be back and you'll be
back again soon. Don't get toocomfortable away from
Alright guys, stay safe. Behappy. Love yourself.
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