March 25, 2021 • 38 mins
This week I bring back a guest you have requested, I sit down with Sarah to chat about a more adult subject, that I myself know nothing about. Sexual topics have been so controversial - but perhaps its how society has raised us that most of us giggle as a defense mechanism. In this episode we discuss the basic terminology and how the media impacts sexuality.
Sources Mentioned
- www.fetlife.com
- Insta @Submission2.0
- Youtuber Miss Elle X
- Youtuber Evie Lupine
- Youtuber Kat Blanque
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do well and yourself, Jen. Good.
It's so nice to have you backon. Say.
Sarah (01:33):
I'm just happy to be here.
Unknown (01:36):
Today I wanted to so we will I wanted to talk about
fetishes I know it's such adark, not dark, but like it's an
unknown world for a lot ofpeople. And to start off let's
just say what is a fetish?
Well, a lot of people use thatword as well as kink
interchangeably, and they'requite different. Let's start off
(01:58):
with kink is something that youthat you would like to explore
in the bedroom.
Whether that's ropes or spankingor talking dirty, whatever it
may be. But it is not necessaryto be present in the sexual act
for you to receive sexualgratification.
Whereas a fetish,let's say an easy one to do is
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let's say it's a foot fetishist.
They would need the foot presentin some manner during that
sexual interaction to beconsidered
sexually gratifying. And there'sgangsters and there's fetishist.
And a lot of people again usethe term interchangeably but
(02:43):
they're really different. Mostpeople are kinky, they are
willing to try new and variedthings.
Some may not even be in a sexualcontext, originally, like let's
say latex, raincoats. But ittriggers something in in in a
(03:05):
person that is also as sexuallygratifying as a physical act.
And they implement it inwhatever physical act it may be.
It might not necessarily be, youknow, arousal to the genitals,
but it is a mental arousal aswell, because the mind is the
biggest sexual organ you got.
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It's more of an experience inyour head that makes your body
react a certain way. Of course,and it all depends on what you
want to explore. A lot of thingsare very taboo, but it should be
fun. It should be if it's Happyconsenting adults.
And they're enthusiastic aboutexploring a certain a certain
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toy, a certain act a certaina certain mood. So we've seen
things do a dramatic change ofwhat's acceptable in the public
eye. I mean, look at the Grammyswe had like cardi B and forgot
to do to Megan, right, Megan,the stallion? Yes. How do you
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feel about those performances?
And the sexual content being onstage? Is that more like to be
kept in the fetish? I guess myquestion is, should fetish be
like kept secret or out in theopen and what would be
healthier? What you do on yourown time as your own time again,
as long as it's happy, healthy,and consenting adults.
(04:37):
We should be able to have moreopen and honest conversations
about sexual acts. Even if it'sabout a sexual act or a sexual
experience, but you're trying tolearn more about it. You should
be able to do that without anyshame. There is a time and place
for public play. Thatperformance was again, just a
(04:59):
musicperformance. Is it provocative?
Yes.
Was it done with the intentionof starting an orgy?
Not really, it's just to beprovocative. And some people get
off on that. There's nothingwrong with that. I think more
that people have more of anissue is
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in public, it's because a lot ofpeople are non consenting
adults, they don't want to seethat. It's not like if you go to
a, it's not like, let's say yougo to a strip club, you know
what you're gonna see? You'repaying for it. Yeah, you're
experiencing it. But you, youwent there, this is TV, there's
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kids, I understand that. Iunderstand that a lot of people
are still very protective. Andthat's fine. That's why we have
warnings. That's whywe have, you know, parental
stickers on music. And they alsopromote a mom that who's
performing and you if you know,cardi B you know, her famous
(06:05):
song is the vlog.
You know, what you're gettinginto? Yeah, and not everything
is going to be catered to thefamily. Not everything should
Some things are going to becatered strictly to adults, and
some things are going to becatered strictly to children.
And then there's going to besome people and things that are
(06:26):
for everyone. And that'sawesome. Everyone should have,
you know, a time and place foreverything. You know, what
you're getting into? If you seethat show, with that artist, you
don't support it. Don't watchit.
Heck, I mean, we live in Miami.
We've been seeing this sinceuncle Luke.
Like that, that That to me islike I mean, okay, Lena, but am
(06:49):
I going to put my 13 year olddaughter who is a dancer in an
outfit like that? Hell fuck no.
Am I going to make sure that allthe outfits she wears are
something I deem appropriate?
Because there.
I do believe there's a lot ofsexualization of children. Yes,
I'm going to monitor that. Butthat's on the parent. Yeah. And
(07:11):
unfortunately, a lot of peopledon't want to take that
responsibility. They want toalready have it catered to them,
it makes it easier. And how doyou feel about TV shows? So
let's say there's a fetish aboutthere's so many fetishes, right,
of course. Now, various showsthat use fetishes like, um, a
(07:33):
lot of TV shows, unfortunately,it's just like books. Mm hmm.
The source, they're always goingto get it wrong.
Like whether it's a show aboutabout polyamory or about
bondage, both on Netflix, bothhorrible examples of both What
do you say that they'rehorrible.
(07:56):
Because when you start breakingdown the actual behaviors that
are being exhibited, their theirmost of the time toxic and
manipulative, and it's notshowing an actual portrayal of a
healthy communication, and howto proceed moving forward during
an obstacle. Whether it issexual or romantic.
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Have you seen 50 Shades of Grey?
Yes, of course. Now, would yousay that though? That type of
movie is a good representationbad? Have you? You know, it is
a fantasy. I am not going tojudge your fantasies. And I
don't think you're going tojudge mine.
(08:40):
It's, that's what's that's whatgets you off in your head. Who
am I to judge what gets you offin your head, and that's great.
But taking something like 50Shades of Grey as a primer, or
an introduction into some prettyhardcore shit
is not the way to go about it.
It never is. Never was never hasbeen. You'll have a lot of
(09:04):
people within the community.
Bash it scream say they hate it.
Oh my god, I'll mention it. It'sit's like it's a four letter
word. Surprisingly, it gets afour letter word. And it gets a
lot of the teachers and endedbooziest really upset because
(09:24):
it's portraying them as deviantin the worst ways. When they
are, yes, they are deviant, butin the very traditional sense of
the definition, which is theythey just steered a little off
than just what you'retraditionally going for. Which,
for the longest time, was justmissionary quiet, turned the
(09:49):
lights off. Nobody said anythingthere was there was
nobody even alluded to that butthat people had sex.
Let alone on TV to now having 50Shades of Grey. And it's always
going to push the envelopeespecially the extreme. And
especially in the fetishcommunity, the most extreme is
(10:12):
what people are going to gawkat. They see the they see the
sitter extreme? I no extreme isrelative to person. Okay? No, no
extremes not rose if at all.
Okay 50 Shades of Grey is anextreme example. They had, you
know, the hitting the bitingthe, the restraints, it was all
(10:34):
very primal and very rough.
But that is only one tiny littleaspect of the entire community.
But that's what people focus onbecause it's the most shocking.
(10:54):
Okay, you see somebody in agetup?
And all you conjure is thesepictures of you know, latex and
restraints, and bog eggs, andball gags, and latex toys and
clothing.
And that's again, it's the mostshocking, but it's also the
(11:17):
smallest part. Though I do, I dowant to acknowledge that the
book has brought more peopleinto the fold, to actually
understand more about themselvesbecause this is all just about
understanding yourself. Andwanting to learn more about
yourself in this aspect. It'smore sexual, but for the most
(11:38):
part, it's all mental.
Consider the big part. Whatwould you consider the big part
of the fetish world you saythat? You know, that rare movie
represented a small part? Whatwould you say is like the
biggest part, I guess genre offetish if I using the right
term?
(11:59):
The biggest, the most prevalentgenre right now and and it's
become so normalized, there'sactually a really good I'll give
you the name of the YouTuber soyou can link it down below.
That does the history of latex.
latex is the biggest one that'sit's feels like it's latex and
foot fetishes are both known, ormore widely known latex is more
(12:21):
acceptable. I think it's becauseit is clothing and not part of
you because you tell somebodyHey, I'm fetishist. Oh, really
like you. You like me, and a lotof people get some The most
common and widely acceptablefetish that I have seen and
experience has been the latex.
(12:46):
People really like it. They justlike to feel the clothes. It's
more acceptable than otherfetishes. Like, let's say, feet,
ordifferent types of play. Because
it's not just about a fetish,you can have a kink and it's
just something that enhancesyour experience, but doesn't
need to be there for you to getsexual gratification. What a lot
(13:08):
of play meaning fetish.
What do you think? How do youplay? How did you play as a kid?
It's just I find it, I guess,how can I say magic? Let's take
something like kitten play. It'sgetting more and more popular,
and people like Ariana Grandeday, kind of allude to it in her
(13:32):
in their videos to like, let'skeep with the music videos, you
know, and sexual content inthere. So putting that fetish to
play put it in putting thatfetish to like play, it's more
of a kink.
Like, oh, look at me, I'm akitty. I'm gonna work yours. I'm
gonna have a cute little tailand I'm gonna walk around for
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you. You know, when to act likekitty and her.
And some people really get offon that. Do they? When it gets
to the point that they actuallyneed that for any sort of sexual
gratification, that's when itturns into a fetish. But up
until that point, it's justconsidered a kink. Like you
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don't need if you don't needropes and to be restrained or to
restrain someone to get off.
That's a kink. It's one youactually require it to
be like if let's let's dosomething ridiculous like oh, I
need to wear a flower in my hairevery time I have sex or
(14:35):
anything sexual. I need to weara flower my hair if I'm not
wearing a flower my hair Icannot get off. That would be a
fetish. Huh?
Okay, I first started doingdifferent things.
Exactly. A lot of people don'tand they interchange the the
phrasing. Thankfully kink stirsand fetishists are really cool.
(14:57):
For the most part, at least theones I know
We have a beautiful communityhere.
And they're just sweethearts,every single one of them. So how
does it work? Let's say ifsomebody wants to explore their
fetish or their kink, and theydon't know what to do, like,
they find out that they lovefeet, but they want to learn
(15:18):
more. I don't know. Yeah, or,you know, or they didn't even
think of something as a fetishuntil somebody like brought it
up.
You know, it could be wearingthe color red. It could, there's
so many and very differentthings. And once you start
exploring, and really justfinding out about yourself, it's
a wonderful thing. And that way,you can also communicate to your
(15:40):
partner or partners. Hey, um, Ilike these sorts of things. And
I would like to introduce you Doyou have anything that you would
like to show me and it bringsanother aspect of
another healthy dynamic in theirrelationship, because a lot of
people do not talk about theirsex life is, especially with
(16:04):
their partners, which is thenumber one person you should be
talking to, they should be ableto know it's like, oh, you want
to do something you should beable to know first, before all
your girlfriends you askedaround. Your internet history is
just filled with stuff and youdon't know, you should be able
to communicate.
Preferably. I know it's hard.
(16:26):
But it's worth it. Trust me,everyone will have a boat all
jolly die.
just all about communication,communication, communication.
Exactly. And if they don't thinkit's something that they enjoy,
well, there's always ways tofind new experiences.
Would you considerthe way the preference is
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somebody has like beingtransgender or being Pat
polyamorous like, would youconsider those kinks, fetishes.
They can be fetishized, and theyhave been.
But it's 2021. Stop.
Transgender. And transsexual isnot the fetish at this point.
(17:12):
They are people unless theypresent themselves that way. And
there are certain actors andactresses that do that they're
in on it. And that's fine. Buttheir partners have always been
from what I've seen, again, I'mnot in that particular world
research. Talk to your partner.
If you have a partner again, Ikeep saying partner, partner
partner because I have apartner.
(17:35):
But if you don't, there areplenty of safe websites that you
could go on.
The easiest one, the mostaccessible one. And safest
one is fetlife. That life,f Et l i. f e, what's on that
website? Okay.
(18:00):
fetlife Yes, that's the best.
It's safe.
You can explore. There'sconversations. Nope. Do people
hook up and use it as a hookupsite? Yes, but they do that.
They do that on every site.
Everyone will slide into yourDMS on Instagram messaged you on
on, on Facebook and you know,give you random snaps.
(18:26):
Whatever.
What it is, but it is a greatplace to explore, connect and
communicate your desires withpeople that yes, it's a sexual
topic, but they're not trying toget into your pants. They're
trying to figure out this,whatever the dilemma may be
(18:47):
together, whether it's I want toget into rope and I don't know
what to do. Or oh my goodness,my latex broke for the fifth
time. I can't stand this oil.
Does anyone have arecommendation on how to clean
this? Or I want to build a StAndrew's cross? How do I do it?
I don't even know what that is.
(19:13):
Um, you're going to have to lookat pictures because, yeah, it's
a cross.
And you think everybody knowsit? Everybody seen it? Everybody
just thinks of it like thebondage x. Okay. That's where
you hang.
You're normally not if you arethat means you're it's seemed
(19:35):
over. You're dead. You're tired.
I'd say go get some aftercare.
So how would you how do youthink what do you think of only
fans? Do you think that'sexploiting people's fetishes for
money or do you think it's,it is fantastic. Are you kidding
me? are giving the power to theactual creator instead of having
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a bossLead Actress perform like a
goddamn donkey at paid pennieswhile producer and film crew and
all these people are makingmoney off of her literal back,
Nana give her the money. Thankyou give the performer the
money. Thank you and give themtheir rights there. There
(20:17):
totally should be legalizationof all of this. But that's
another topic.
I mean,legal? What do you mean, like to
legalize sex working? Of course,okay.
In the United States?
How do you think the West wasmade? If you start researching
(20:40):
the history of pretty muchanywhere, especially here in the
US, you got to think horse? Hmm.
They're the ones that tamed themen to make towns and roads and
bullshit. I did see. This is theonly little history I have was
from drunk history. I don't knowhow true that would be. They had
an episode of they did. And it'strue. And look it up. And going
(21:03):
on that note.
And going that also touches on atopic today, guess who were the
number one most exploitedworkers,
sex workers, Asian females.
And the Shanghai roads thatwould take that would take
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people into slavery, justliterally rip you off the
street. It's real. And it's bad.
And we should all acknowledgethis, we've treated people like
garbage. And just for our sexualgratification, do you think
making sex work legal and havingyou know, just like a regular
workplace that will makeeverything better, or try
attempt, of course, for you getcleaner people.
(21:51):
So less infections, which meansless money, time and effort
spent on curing people thathave very preventable diseases.
Let's not forget the fact thatsex workers are exploited,
harassed, their children takenaway, beaten, raped, there's no
(22:13):
resources for them if, if thepandemic hit, how many of them
have like a 401k to fall backon? Or retirement money, or even
be able to claim unemployment?
Or benefits of any kind? It's sointeresting, and they're doing
(22:34):
work here. You don't want to do?
Yeah, it's so interesting,because I would have never
thought of this again. So that'swhy I want to bring these
subjects on the show, because Idon't know about them. I'm sure
some of my viewers don't know.
And I, you know, I want to learnmore. Because, you know, all we
know is like what we hear in thevideos and music videos, while
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only fans and yeah, at first,it's like you hear it and you
just think, Oh, these women, whycan't they just get a job and
it's like, that is a job, youknow they're doing it is a very
difficult job. Not only do youhave to perform in front of the
camera, you have to marketresearch, edit videos, sound,
(23:15):
everything, y'all do everything.
outfit, communicate with yourfans, see what kind of content
they want. Because at the end ofthe day, you're going to do what
your fans ask you. And thattakes time, money and effort.
Can you imagine somebody tellingyou Hey, Jen, I want you to do a
photo shoot for me. And I wantyou to wear this and do this and
have this whole list of demands?
(23:40):
Andare you going to tell them? No?
No. Are you going to tell thephotographer No. Or whoever it
is? That's, that's hire youthat? No, I'm not going to do
this. After you already.
Essentially agreed, okay, thisis the content. This is these
are my, my demands, or my listof
(24:01):
my list of requirements if youwant to get a photo shoot from
me.
And they did all of that andthey're like, Okay, well now
this is my transaction. It'spurely transactional. People
just get upset because theydon't like the concept of
selling the human body in a waythey deem inappropriate, and
they deem a performers body in asexual context immoral.
(24:23):
And that's interesting becauseeven when you go to any type of
labor, like you get your Cardonor your hair gone, you know,
people are performing an act onyou and they're making money
too. It's just a different wayof seeing it. If you notice,
everything is sold with sex.
Everythingyou got just like you said the
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hairstylist, I the cooperatingyou're gonna get you're gonna
get so nice.
nails, eyelashes, makeup outfit.
It's all catered.
To the one thing that we, mostof us, we all just want to find
(25:06):
a mate, whether it's for anight, or if it's for longer,
and it's just how you interactwith that person, you're not
being forced to interact withsomebody that you don't want to.
And you have all the power andno pressure. There's no
pressure. And it's at your pace.
Some people just when they, whenthey start,
(25:26):
start researching about theirown sex life, they just go, they
just explode like an atom bomb.
They're like, I want to learneverything, and I want to learn
it. Now. I don't want to do itall now.
And that's wonderful. And otherpeople are very shy and timid.
They're like, I'm just going toI'm going to just experiment
with maybe trying on a new pairof undies.
(25:49):
And that's great.
There's no shame.
There shouldn't be any shame.
Unless that's your kink. Butthat's a whole different, again,
whole different. There's a kinkfor everything.
Oh, yeah.
And a lot of times, it's justroleplay. A lot of people
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like to pretend there's somebodyelse, or a better version of
themselves. And they don't letthemselves experience that
because no, no, no, why am Ipretending? Why am I acting?
Because it's fun. And justbecause it has a sexual context
to it doesn't mean it's anecessarily physical act,
either. Yeah, cuz most peoplethink sex, they think it's a
(26:34):
physical thing.
It's also mental.
Mainly, I mean, even even ifyou're even if you're straight
vanilla, even if all you want,is you your partner. No calls no
nothing. You stillspeak, communicate.
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Now, one thing I wanted to,like, end this episode with is I
want to know about the fetishparties. Because when I think
fetish parties, I'm I'm gonnaput it in my own terms. What I
think of, well, when I what Iused to think of before I
even knew what they were is whenyou first hear it, you think
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it's like a bunch of peoplehaving an orgy in a room. And I
feel like that's the wrongimpression to have. But that's
what I feel like. I mean, I'm avictim to that, because I knew I
thought that way before. Mostpeople unfortunately, think the
way you do. Yeah.
I blame movies for that. Hmm.
And mostly what you see inmovies are more already heavily
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consenting thoroughly testedadults that have been doing this
with each other for a while.
Here in Florida. The word fetishis very interchangeable with
kink, fetish parties, likesubmission, or
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there was another one. Yeah, itwas submission, submission alter
ego. There's a whole slew ofdifferent of different parties
here. But they're more kinkparties. It's
think of it more like a meet andgreet. You get to wear whatever
you think you want. It'sallowed, you know, you want to
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wear latex, you want to wearlace, you want to wear just a
really nice suit. That's allallowed and accepted.
And then it's just a regularclub, just people are.
It's a regular club, people aredressed a bit differently.
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But we get the same stigma,stigma when we go to brunch, and
are dressed the way we are. Yes,this is it's basically a safe
space to express yourself.
Nobody's going to take yourpicture unless you allow it.
Nobody is going to come over toyou and start grabbing you
there.
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The first three rules orconsent, consent consent, they
will kick you out if they eventhink you're looking at somebody
funny.
With any ill intention. Theydon't play with that here. They
don't we're very respectful andprotective of our community,
especially since it's already sostigmatized. Even one bad press
(29:33):
releases his talk. Well, yeah,cuz you already have that
negative connotation. I mean,even with the example I gave in
asking this question, so peoplewill and that's okay, because
you're trying to learn you'renot doing it from a place of
disgust, or at or beingaccusatory of, of any
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impropriety. But that's why youcreate friends with
In the scene that help you outand even talking to your to your
regular friends, it should besomething a little more
normalized to talk about asexual issue in a in a more
academic way, like I am notfeeling, you know, I'm not
feeling this. Am I doingsomething wrong? Can I get your
(30:19):
opinion without anyshame or laughter or,
or feeling dirty?
Because none of this is dirty. Imean, we all got here because
two people decided to bang Hmm,for the most part, like 99% of
us.
(30:39):
You know, and that decision is abit iffy, but we're not going
there either.
So in the Spanish parties, um,since you mentioned it, they, so
you're not allowed to takephotos in them?
No.
And you're not allowed to takephotos. They sometimes have a
(31:00):
photographer, and you sign awaiver if you're okay, or not
okay.
But for the most part,no, people and people are very
respectful of that they're notgoing to, you know, out you a
lot of people have jobs thatunfortunately, they can't
express themselves, because theywill be stigmatized.
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And that sucks. But if you alsowant to learn more
on YouTube, there's Miss l x,who is a great resource for
beginners. She has a very calmand soothing voice. And she
speaks more in depth about soyou send me her edsm
(31:44):
Yes. And also, Evie loopinglupine. I pronouncing her name
horribly. But Ed as well isanother one, she's a little more
gothy.
Um, but she has also greatinformation
and different discussionsfetlife to you seems a little
(32:05):
too, out there, then start withvideos. And YouTube is actually
a great resource to dip yourtoes into learning a little more
about you on what you may or maynot like, it might surprise you.
The last question I have for youis, what do you think about we
talked about only? We've talkedabout only fans, but how do you
(32:26):
feel about the porn industry?
And I know that a lot of peoplealways talk about Pornhub. Um,
toxic is so okay, it's toxic?
Because the people that are onthere, how do they get paid?
That's why I think only fans isa great way to start the music.
Depending on what era you'retalking about, Okay, bye. Bye.
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Now, I didn't even know thatnow. arrows. Oh, of course,
every era had its own had itsown ups and downs and how
actresses would get paid. Andeven to this day, like
you had very few actresses getpaid or be as popular as let's
say Jenna Jamison.
(33:11):
Back in the early 90s. Now shewants nothing to do with porn,
and that's great for her.
But at the height of her career,I believe she was one of the
most highly paid porn actressesand even that was paltry
compared to what she should havebeen getting paid. They've never
treated the they've nevertreated and and men get paid
(33:33):
even worse. Really surprisingly.
Like it's one of the fewindustries that the men will
actually get paid worse. That'swhy you have not that's why you
see a lot of them had their ownsite before only fans you have
like James Deanand a few others that have their
own sites because they cancontrol their content they can
controland their content means not only
(33:56):
what they're shooting but whothey're shooting with.
Which is another big issue in inmain porn.
It was I haven't again, Ihaven't stepped into that world.
And about like five yearsbecause it's I'd rather just if
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I'm gonna get porn I'd rathersupport a content creator that's
actually making it because theyactually because they want to,
and enjoy making the content.
Then, being a show pony. It'ssafe to say that you like the
direction with only fans andwords going from there.
For the smaller creators and Ihonestly believe bigger creators
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if you already have a name.
Like an actress, like BellaThorne, or are already a very,
very famous porn actress. Ican't even say who at this point
really read. I don't even thinkshe has a porn no
(35:01):
But I think bigger actresses,and I know only fans is only
fans, as they described, thesite is only for fans, it is not
a sexual site, it never startedthat it didn't really.
That wasn't their goal, eventhough they don't care. It was
for people to just interact withtheir fans on a more personal
(35:24):
level. That being said, Now thatthe site has formed into more of
a sexual pay as you go, Ihonestly think bigger creators
should just leave the platformor have a separate platform to
it. Because they are makingthey're already making enough
money outside and now they'remaking all this money
(35:47):
in I sound so better. Nobody Iknow not even on only fans. I'm
not even on only fans. I justhave friends that do it. And I
support them. And I love them.
And I just want them to have thebest of everything.
I don't have anything I reallystarted small creators. And of
course the big fish came in itfeels like
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this is what it feels like foronly fans. You remember Etsy?
Yeah. In the beginning, how itwas touted small business,
handmade and small business.
Okay. Same concept. Sameconcept. Okay. And then now all
the cheap stuff on Etsy isheavily manufactured, but it
looks it totally looks handmade.
(36:33):
You know what? You're gonna buyit? Because it's $12 instead of
35. That's a great comparison.
Only fans is that See?
Yeah, cuz I heard that peopleare see when Bella Thorne was on
there, and she like broke downthe website. Um, and a lot of
scammers too. If you're going totell your fans you're going to
(36:55):
post something, or you are readyto post a certain kind of
content. Mm hmm. And you're notbasically fulfilling your end of
the bargain.
Don't be scummy? Well, Sara, Iwant to say that this has been
very insightful.
Because for me, I'm one of thosethat will giggle at the subject
(37:16):
because again, I'm not very, andthat's fine.
And I hope somebody learnedsomething and you gave a lot of
resources that I'm gonna link onthe description of this episode.
And in the show notes. So ifanybody is interested in
learning more, or finding outabout their own fetish, or kink
that, you know, the good thingabout nowadays is you have the
internet, you know, you don'thave to go in to talk to
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somebody, if you're too shy, youcould just find out on your own,
you can reach out to Sarah, youknow, and it's just an amazing
time to be in and it's justabout pushing forward and
finding that these are just not,you know, it's not something to
be shy about and justcommunicate with yourself. okay
to have fun. There you go. Okayto have fun. It's okay to have
(38:01):
fun. And it's okay to be silly.
Not everything is super serious.
I like next week ornext week, I'm going to be
having a cat from it's going tobe a totally different subjects.
We're going to be having catfrom the beauty parlor in
Orlando. She was also part ofthe pink calendar 2021. And
(38:21):
we're going to talk about howyour hair could make your
personality and your self esteemgo up.
So that's gonna be exciting.
Yeah, we thank you so much forbeing on the show. Thank you for
having me. I'm sure I'll haveyou back. We're gonna have more
(38:42):
questions.
Do you know perfect Thank you.
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Today I wanted to so we will I wanted to talk about
fetishes I know it's such adark, not dark, but like it's an
unknown world for a lot ofpeople. And to start off let's
just say what is a fetish?
Well, a lot of people use thatword as well as kink
interchangeably, and they'requite different. Let's start off
(01:58):
with kink is something that youthat you would like to explore
in the bedroom.
Whether that's ropes or spankingor talking dirty, whatever it
may be. But it is not necessaryto be present in the sexual act
for you to receive sexualgratification.
Whereas a fetish,let's say an easy one to do is
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let's say it's a foot fetishist.
They would need the foot presentin some manner during that
sexual interaction to beconsidered
sexually gratifying. And there'sgangsters and there's fetishist.
And a lot of people again usethe term interchangeably but
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they're really different. Mostpeople are kinky, they are
willing to try new and variedthings.
Some may not even be in a sexualcontext, originally, like let's
say latex, raincoats. But ittriggers something in in in a
(03:05):
person that is also as sexuallygratifying as a physical act.
And they implement it inwhatever physical act it may be.
It might not necessarily be, youknow, arousal to the genitals,
but it is a mental arousal aswell, because the mind is the
biggest sexual organ you got.
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It's more of an experience inyour head that makes your body
react a certain way. Of course,and it all depends on what you
want to explore. A lot of thingsare very taboo, but it should be
fun. It should be if it's Happyconsenting adults.
And they're enthusiastic aboutexploring a certain a certain
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toy, a certain act a certaina certain mood. So we've seen
things do a dramatic change ofwhat's acceptable in the public
eye. I mean, look at the Grammyswe had like cardi B and forgot
to do to Megan, right, Megan,the stallion? Yes. How do you
(04:12):
feel about those performances?
And the sexual content being onstage? Is that more like to be
kept in the fetish? I guess myquestion is, should fetish be
like kept secret or out in theopen and what would be
healthier? What you do on yourown time as your own time again,
as long as it's happy, healthy,and consenting adults.
(04:37):
We should be able to have moreopen and honest conversations
about sexual acts. Even if it'sabout a sexual act or a sexual
experience, but you're trying tolearn more about it. You should
be able to do that without anyshame. There is a time and place
for public play. Thatperformance was again, just a
(04:59):
musicperformance. Is it provocative?
Yes.
Was it done with the intentionof starting an orgy?
Not really, it's just to beprovocative. And some people get
off on that. There's nothingwrong with that. I think more
that people have more of anissue is
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in public, it's because a lot ofpeople are non consenting
adults, they don't want to seethat. It's not like if you go to
a, it's not like, let's say yougo to a strip club, you know
what you're gonna see? You'repaying for it. Yeah, you're
experiencing it. But you, youwent there, this is TV, there's
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kids, I understand that. Iunderstand that a lot of people
are still very protective. Andthat's fine. That's why we have
warnings. That's whywe have, you know, parental
stickers on music. And they alsopromote a mom that who's
performing and you if you know,cardi B you know, her famous
(06:05):
song is the vlog.
You know, what you're gettinginto? Yeah, and not everything
is going to be catered to thefamily. Not everything should
Some things are going to becatered strictly to adults, and
some things are going to becatered strictly to children.
And then there's going to besome people and things that are
(06:26):
for everyone. And that'sawesome. Everyone should have,
you know, a time and place foreverything. You know, what
you're getting into? If you seethat show, with that artist, you
don't support it. Don't watchit.
Heck, I mean, we live in Miami.
We've been seeing this sinceuncle Luke.
Like that, that That to me islike I mean, okay, Lena, but am
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I going to put my 13 year olddaughter who is a dancer in an
outfit like that? Hell fuck no.
Am I going to make sure that allthe outfits she wears are
something I deem appropriate?
Because there.
I do believe there's a lot ofsexualization of children. Yes,
I'm going to monitor that. Butthat's on the parent. Yeah. And
(07:11):
unfortunately, a lot of peopledon't want to take that
responsibility. They want toalready have it catered to them,
it makes it easier. And how doyou feel about TV shows? So
let's say there's a fetish aboutthere's so many fetishes, right,
of course. Now, various showsthat use fetishes like, um, a
(07:33):
lot of TV shows, unfortunately,it's just like books. Mm hmm.
The source, they're always goingto get it wrong.
Like whether it's a show aboutabout polyamory or about
bondage, both on Netflix, bothhorrible examples of both What
do you say that they'rehorrible.
(07:56):
Because when you start breakingdown the actual behaviors that
are being exhibited, their theirmost of the time toxic and
manipulative, and it's notshowing an actual portrayal of a
healthy communication, and howto proceed moving forward during
an obstacle. Whether it issexual or romantic.
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Have you seen 50 Shades of Grey?
Yes, of course. Now, would yousay that though? That type of
movie is a good representationbad? Have you? You know, it is
a fantasy. I am not going tojudge your fantasies. And I
don't think you're going tojudge mine.
(08:40):
It's, that's what's that's whatgets you off in your head. Who
am I to judge what gets you offin your head, and that's great.
But taking something like 50Shades of Grey as a primer, or
an introduction into some prettyhardcore shit
is not the way to go about it.
It never is. Never was never hasbeen. You'll have a lot of
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people within the community.
Bash it scream say they hate it.
Oh my god, I'll mention it. It'sit's like it's a four letter
word. Surprisingly, it gets afour letter word. And it gets a
lot of the teachers and endedbooziest really upset because
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it's portraying them as deviantin the worst ways. When they
are, yes, they are deviant, butin the very traditional sense of
the definition, which is theythey just steered a little off
than just what you'retraditionally going for. Which,
for the longest time, was justmissionary quiet, turned the
(09:49):
lights off. Nobody said anythingthere was there was
nobody even alluded to that butthat people had sex.
Let alone on TV to now having 50Shades of Grey. And it's always
going to push the envelopeespecially the extreme. And
especially in the fetishcommunity, the most extreme is
(10:12):
what people are going to gawkat. They see the they see the
sitter extreme? I no extreme isrelative to person. Okay? No, no
extremes not rose if at all.
Okay 50 Shades of Grey is anextreme example. They had, you
know, the hitting the bitingthe, the restraints, it was all
(10:34):
very primal and very rough.
But that is only one tiny littleaspect of the entire community.
But that's what people focus onbecause it's the most shocking.
(10:54):
Okay, you see somebody in agetup?
And all you conjure is thesepictures of you know, latex and
restraints, and bog eggs, andball gags, and latex toys and
clothing.
And that's again, it's the mostshocking, but it's also the
(11:17):
smallest part. Though I do, I dowant to acknowledge that the
book has brought more peopleinto the fold, to actually
understand more about themselvesbecause this is all just about
understanding yourself. Andwanting to learn more about
yourself in this aspect. It'smore sexual, but for the most
(11:38):
part, it's all mental.
Consider the big part. Whatwould you consider the big part
of the fetish world you saythat? You know, that rare movie
represented a small part? Whatwould you say is like the
biggest part, I guess genre offetish if I using the right
term?
(11:59):
The biggest, the most prevalentgenre right now and and it's
become so normalized, there'sactually a really good I'll give
you the name of the YouTuber soyou can link it down below.
That does the history of latex.
latex is the biggest one that'sit's feels like it's latex and
foot fetishes are both known, ormore widely known latex is more
(12:21):
acceptable. I think it's becauseit is clothing and not part of
you because you tell somebodyHey, I'm fetishist. Oh, really
like you. You like me, and a lotof people get some The most
common and widely acceptablefetish that I have seen and
experience has been the latex.
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People really like it. They justlike to feel the clothes. It's
more acceptable than otherfetishes. Like, let's say, feet,
ordifferent types of play. Because
it's not just about a fetish,you can have a kink and it's
just something that enhancesyour experience, but doesn't
need to be there for you to getsexual gratification. What a lot
(13:08):
of play meaning fetish.
What do you think? How do youplay? How did you play as a kid?
It's just I find it, I guess,how can I say magic? Let's take
something like kitten play. It'sgetting more and more popular,
and people like Ariana Grandeday, kind of allude to it in her
(13:32):
in their videos to like, let'skeep with the music videos, you
know, and sexual content inthere. So putting that fetish to
play put it in putting thatfetish to like play, it's more
of a kink.
Like, oh, look at me, I'm akitty. I'm gonna work yours. I'm
gonna have a cute little tailand I'm gonna walk around for
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you. You know, when to act likekitty and her.
And some people really get offon that. Do they? When it gets
to the point that they actuallyneed that for any sort of sexual
gratification, that's when itturns into a fetish. But up
until that point, it's justconsidered a kink. Like you
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don't need if you don't needropes and to be restrained or to
restrain someone to get off.
That's a kink. It's one youactually require it to
be like if let's let's dosomething ridiculous like oh, I
need to wear a flower in my hairevery time I have sex or
(14:35):
anything sexual. I need to weara flower my hair if I'm not
wearing a flower my hair Icannot get off. That would be a
fetish. Huh?
Okay, I first started doingdifferent things.
Exactly. A lot of people don'tand they interchange the the
phrasing. Thankfully kink stirsand fetishists are really cool.
(14:57):
For the most part, at least theones I know
We have a beautiful communityhere.
And they're just sweethearts,every single one of them. So how
does it work? Let's say ifsomebody wants to explore their
fetish or their kink, and theydon't know what to do, like,
they find out that they lovefeet, but they want to learn
(15:18):
more. I don't know. Yeah, or,you know, or they didn't even
think of something as a fetishuntil somebody like brought it
up.
You know, it could be wearingthe color red. It could, there's
so many and very differentthings. And once you start
exploring, and really justfinding out about yourself, it's
a wonderful thing. And that way,you can also communicate to your
(15:40):
partner or partners. Hey, um, Ilike these sorts of things. And
I would like to introduce you Doyou have anything that you would
like to show me and it bringsanother aspect of
another healthy dynamic in theirrelationship, because a lot of
people do not talk about theirsex life is, especially with
(16:04):
their partners, which is thenumber one person you should be
talking to, they should be ableto know it's like, oh, you want
to do something you should beable to know first, before all
your girlfriends you askedaround. Your internet history is
just filled with stuff and youdon't know, you should be able
to communicate.
Preferably. I know it's hard.
(16:26):
But it's worth it. Trust me,everyone will have a boat all
jolly die.
just all about communication,communication, communication.
Exactly. And if they don't thinkit's something that they enjoy,
well, there's always ways tofind new experiences.
Would you considerthe way the preference is
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somebody has like beingtransgender or being Pat
polyamorous like, would youconsider those kinks, fetishes.
They can be fetishized, and theyhave been.
But it's 2021. Stop.
Transgender. And transsexual isnot the fetish at this point.
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They are people unless theypresent themselves that way. And
there are certain actors andactresses that do that they're
in on it. And that's fine. Buttheir partners have always been
from what I've seen, again, I'mnot in that particular world
research. Talk to your partner.
If you have a partner again, Ikeep saying partner, partner
partner because I have apartner.
(17:35):
But if you don't, there areplenty of safe websites that you
could go on.
The easiest one, the mostaccessible one. And safest
one is fetlife. That life,f Et l i. f e, what's on that
website? Okay.
(18:00):
fetlife Yes, that's the best.
It's safe.
You can explore. There'sconversations. Nope. Do people
hook up and use it as a hookupsite? Yes, but they do that.
They do that on every site.
Everyone will slide into yourDMS on Instagram messaged you on
on, on Facebook and you know,give you random snaps.
(18:26):
Whatever.
What it is, but it is a greatplace to explore, connect and
communicate your desires withpeople that yes, it's a sexual
topic, but they're not trying toget into your pants. They're
trying to figure out this,whatever the dilemma may be
(18:47):
together, whether it's I want toget into rope and I don't know
what to do. Or oh my goodness,my latex broke for the fifth
time. I can't stand this oil.
Does anyone have arecommendation on how to clean
this? Or I want to build a StAndrew's cross? How do I do it?
I don't even know what that is.
(19:13):
Um, you're going to have to lookat pictures because, yeah, it's
a cross.
And you think everybody knowsit? Everybody seen it? Everybody
just thinks of it like thebondage x. Okay. That's where
you hang.
You're normally not if you arethat means you're it's seemed
(19:35):
over. You're dead. You're tired.
I'd say go get some aftercare.
So how would you how do youthink what do you think of only
fans? Do you think that'sexploiting people's fetishes for
money or do you think it's,it is fantastic. Are you kidding
me? are giving the power to theactual creator instead of having
(19:56):
a bossLead Actress perform like a
goddamn donkey at paid pennieswhile producer and film crew and
all these people are makingmoney off of her literal back,
Nana give her the money. Thankyou give the performer the
money. Thank you and give themtheir rights there. There
(20:17):
totally should be legalizationof all of this. But that's
another topic.
I mean,legal? What do you mean, like to
legalize sex working? Of course,okay.
In the United States?
How do you think the West wasmade? If you start researching
(20:40):
the history of pretty muchanywhere, especially here in the
US, you got to think horse? Hmm.
They're the ones that tamed themen to make towns and roads and
bullshit. I did see. This is theonly little history I have was
from drunk history. I don't knowhow true that would be. They had
an episode of they did. And it'strue. And look it up. And going
(21:03):
on that note.
And going that also touches on atopic today, guess who were the
number one most exploitedworkers,
sex workers, Asian females.
And the Shanghai roads thatwould take that would take
(21:24):
people into slavery, justliterally rip you off the
street. It's real. And it's bad.
And we should all acknowledgethis, we've treated people like
garbage. And just for our sexualgratification, do you think
making sex work legal and havingyou know, just like a regular
workplace that will makeeverything better, or try
attempt, of course, for you getcleaner people.
(21:51):
So less infections, which meansless money, time and effort
spent on curing people thathave very preventable diseases.
Let's not forget the fact thatsex workers are exploited,
harassed, their children takenaway, beaten, raped, there's no
(22:13):
resources for them if, if thepandemic hit, how many of them
have like a 401k to fall backon? Or retirement money, or even
be able to claim unemployment?
Or benefits of any kind? It's sointeresting, and they're doing
(22:34):
work here. You don't want to do?
Yeah, it's so interesting,because I would have never
thought of this again. So that'swhy I want to bring these
subjects on the show, because Idon't know about them. I'm sure
some of my viewers don't know.
And I, you know, I want to learnmore. Because, you know, all we
know is like what we hear in thevideos and music videos, while
(22:54):
only fans and yeah, at first,it's like you hear it and you
just think, Oh, these women, whycan't they just get a job and
it's like, that is a job, youknow they're doing it is a very
difficult job. Not only do youhave to perform in front of the
camera, you have to marketresearch, edit videos, sound,
(23:15):
everything, y'all do everything.
outfit, communicate with yourfans, see what kind of content
they want. Because at the end ofthe day, you're going to do what
your fans ask you. And thattakes time, money and effort.
Can you imagine somebody tellingyou Hey, Jen, I want you to do a
photo shoot for me. And I wantyou to wear this and do this and
have this whole list of demands?
(23:40):
Andare you going to tell them? No?
No. Are you going to tell thephotographer No. Or whoever it
is? That's, that's hire youthat? No, I'm not going to do
this. After you already.
Essentially agreed, okay, thisis the content. This is these
are my, my demands, or my listof
(24:01):
my list of requirements if youwant to get a photo shoot from
me.
And they did all of that andthey're like, Okay, well now
this is my transaction. It'spurely transactional. People
just get upset because theydon't like the concept of
selling the human body in a waythey deem inappropriate, and
they deem a performers body in asexual context immoral.
(24:23):
And that's interesting becauseeven when you go to any type of
labor, like you get your Cardonor your hair gone, you know,
people are performing an act onyou and they're making money
too. It's just a different wayof seeing it. If you notice,
everything is sold with sex.
Everythingyou got just like you said the
(24:44):
hairstylist, I the cooperatingyou're gonna get you're gonna
get so nice.
nails, eyelashes, makeup outfit.
It's all catered.
To the one thing that we, mostof us, we all just want to find
(25:06):
a mate, whether it's for anight, or if it's for longer,
and it's just how you interactwith that person, you're not
being forced to interact withsomebody that you don't want to.
And you have all the power andno pressure. There's no
pressure. And it's at your pace.
Some people just when they, whenthey start,
(25:26):
start researching about theirown sex life, they just go, they
just explode like an atom bomb.
They're like, I want to learneverything, and I want to learn
it. Now. I don't want to do itall now.
And that's wonderful. And otherpeople are very shy and timid.
They're like, I'm just going toI'm going to just experiment
with maybe trying on a new pairof undies.
(25:49):
And that's great.
There's no shame.
There shouldn't be any shame.
Unless that's your kink. Butthat's a whole different, again,
whole different. There's a kinkfor everything.
Oh, yeah.
And a lot of times, it's justroleplay. A lot of people
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like to pretend there's somebodyelse, or a better version of
themselves. And they don't letthemselves experience that
because no, no, no, why am Ipretending? Why am I acting?
Because it's fun. And justbecause it has a sexual context
to it doesn't mean it's anecessarily physical act,
either. Yeah, cuz most peoplethink sex, they think it's a
(26:34):
physical thing.
It's also mental.
Mainly, I mean, even even ifyou're even if you're straight
vanilla, even if all you want,is you your partner. No calls no
nothing. You stillspeak, communicate.
(26:59):
Now, one thing I wanted to,like, end this episode with is I
want to know about the fetishparties. Because when I think
fetish parties, I'm I'm gonnaput it in my own terms. What I
think of, well, when I what Iused to think of before I
even knew what they were is whenyou first hear it, you think
(27:21):
it's like a bunch of peoplehaving an orgy in a room. And I
feel like that's the wrongimpression to have. But that's
what I feel like. I mean, I'm avictim to that, because I knew I
thought that way before. Mostpeople unfortunately, think the
way you do. Yeah.
I blame movies for that. Hmm.
And mostly what you see inmovies are more already heavily
(27:43):
consenting thoroughly testedadults that have been doing this
with each other for a while.
Here in Florida. The word fetishis very interchangeable with
kink, fetish parties, likesubmission, or
(28:05):
there was another one. Yeah, itwas submission, submission alter
ego. There's a whole slew ofdifferent of different parties
here. But they're more kinkparties. It's
think of it more like a meet andgreet. You get to wear whatever
you think you want. It'sallowed, you know, you want to
(28:28):
wear latex, you want to wearlace, you want to wear just a
really nice suit. That's allallowed and accepted.
And then it's just a regularclub, just people are.
It's a regular club, people aredressed a bit differently.
(28:49):
But we get the same stigma,stigma when we go to brunch, and
are dressed the way we are. Yes,this is it's basically a safe
space to express yourself.
Nobody's going to take yourpicture unless you allow it.
Nobody is going to come over toyou and start grabbing you
there.
(29:11):
The first three rules orconsent, consent consent, they
will kick you out if they eventhink you're looking at somebody
funny.
With any ill intention. Theydon't play with that here. They
don't we're very respectful andprotective of our community,
especially since it's already sostigmatized. Even one bad press
(29:33):
releases his talk. Well, yeah,cuz you already have that
negative connotation. I mean,even with the example I gave in
asking this question, so peoplewill and that's okay, because
you're trying to learn you'renot doing it from a place of
disgust, or at or beingaccusatory of, of any
(29:55):
impropriety. But that's why youcreate friends with
In the scene that help you outand even talking to your to your
regular friends, it should besomething a little more
normalized to talk about asexual issue in a in a more
academic way, like I am notfeeling, you know, I'm not
feeling this. Am I doingsomething wrong? Can I get your
(30:19):
opinion without anyshame or laughter or,
or feeling dirty?
Because none of this is dirty. Imean, we all got here because
two people decided to bang Hmm,for the most part, like 99% of
us.
(30:39):
You know, and that decision is abit iffy, but we're not going
there either.
So in the Spanish parties, um,since you mentioned it, they, so
you're not allowed to takephotos in them?
No.
And you're not allowed to takephotos. They sometimes have a
(31:00):
photographer, and you sign awaiver if you're okay, or not
okay.
But for the most part,no, people and people are very
respectful of that they're notgoing to, you know, out you a
lot of people have jobs thatunfortunately, they can't
express themselves, because theywill be stigmatized.
(31:24):
And that sucks. But if you alsowant to learn more
on YouTube, there's Miss l x,who is a great resource for
beginners. She has a very calmand soothing voice. And she
speaks more in depth about soyou send me her edsm
(31:44):
Yes. And also, Evie loopinglupine. I pronouncing her name
horribly. But Ed as well isanother one, she's a little more
gothy.
Um, but she has also greatinformation
and different discussionsfetlife to you seems a little
(32:05):
too, out there, then start withvideos. And YouTube is actually
a great resource to dip yourtoes into learning a little more
about you on what you may or maynot like, it might surprise you.
The last question I have for youis, what do you think about we
talked about only? We've talkedabout only fans, but how do you
(32:26):
feel about the porn industry?
And I know that a lot of peoplealways talk about Pornhub. Um,
toxic is so okay, it's toxic?
Because the people that are onthere, how do they get paid?
That's why I think only fans isa great way to start the music.
Depending on what era you'retalking about, Okay, bye. Bye.
(32:50):
Now, I didn't even know thatnow. arrows. Oh, of course,
every era had its own had itsown ups and downs and how
actresses would get paid. Andeven to this day, like
you had very few actresses getpaid or be as popular as let's
say Jenna Jamison.
(33:11):
Back in the early 90s. Now shewants nothing to do with porn,
and that's great for her.
But at the height of her career,I believe she was one of the
most highly paid porn actressesand even that was paltry
compared to what she should havebeen getting paid. They've never
treated the they've nevertreated and and men get paid
(33:33):
even worse. Really surprisingly.
Like it's one of the fewindustries that the men will
actually get paid worse. That'swhy you have not that's why you
see a lot of them had their ownsite before only fans you have
like James Deanand a few others that have their
own sites because they cancontrol their content they can
controland their content means not only
(33:56):
what they're shooting but whothey're shooting with.
Which is another big issue in inmain porn.
It was I haven't again, Ihaven't stepped into that world.
And about like five yearsbecause it's I'd rather just if
(34:17):
I'm gonna get porn I'd rathersupport a content creator that's
actually making it because theyactually because they want to,
and enjoy making the content.
Then, being a show pony. It'ssafe to say that you like the
direction with only fans andwords going from there.
For the smaller creators and Ihonestly believe bigger creators
(34:41):
if you already have a name.
Like an actress, like BellaThorne, or are already a very,
very famous porn actress. Ican't even say who at this point
really read. I don't even thinkshe has a porn no
(35:01):
But I think bigger actresses,and I know only fans is only
fans, as they described, thesite is only for fans, it is not
a sexual site, it never startedthat it didn't really.
That wasn't their goal, eventhough they don't care. It was
for people to just interact withtheir fans on a more personal
(35:24):
level. That being said, Now thatthe site has formed into more of
a sexual pay as you go, Ihonestly think bigger creators
should just leave the platformor have a separate platform to
it. Because they are makingthey're already making enough
money outside and now they'remaking all this money
(35:47):
in I sound so better. Nobody Iknow not even on only fans. I'm
not even on only fans. I justhave friends that do it. And I
support them. And I love them.
And I just want them to have thebest of everything.
I don't have anything I reallystarted small creators. And of
course the big fish came in itfeels like
(36:09):
this is what it feels like foronly fans. You remember Etsy?
Yeah. In the beginning, how itwas touted small business,
handmade and small business.
Okay. Same concept. Sameconcept. Okay. And then now all
the cheap stuff on Etsy isheavily manufactured, but it
looks it totally looks handmade.
(36:33):
You know what? You're gonna buyit? Because it's $12 instead of
35. That's a great comparison.
Only fans is that See?
Yeah, cuz I heard that peopleare see when Bella Thorne was on
there, and she like broke downthe website. Um, and a lot of
scammers too. If you're going totell your fans you're going to
(36:55):
post something, or you are readyto post a certain kind of
content. Mm hmm. And you're notbasically fulfilling your end of
the bargain.
Don't be scummy? Well, Sara, Iwant to say that this has been
very insightful.
Because for me, I'm one of thosethat will giggle at the subject
(37:16):
because again, I'm not very, andthat's fine.
And I hope somebody learnedsomething and you gave a lot of
resources that I'm gonna link onthe description of this episode.
And in the show notes. So ifanybody is interested in
learning more, or finding outabout their own fetish, or kink
that, you know, the good thingabout nowadays is you have the
internet, you know, you don'thave to go in to talk to
(37:38):
somebody, if you're too shy, youcould just find out on your own,
you can reach out to Sarah, youknow, and it's just an amazing
time to be in and it's justabout pushing forward and
finding that these are just not,you know, it's not something to
be shy about and justcommunicate with yourself. okay
to have fun. There you go. Okayto have fun. It's okay to have
(38:01):
fun. And it's okay to be silly.
Not everything is super serious.
I like next week ornext week, I'm going to be
having a cat from it's going tobe a totally different subjects.
We're going to be having catfrom the beauty parlor in
Orlando. She was also part ofthe pink calendar 2021. And
(38:21):
we're going to talk about howyour hair could make your
personality and your self esteemgo up.
So that's gonna be exciting.
Yeah, we thank you so much forbeing on the show. Thank you for
having me. I'm sure I'll haveyou back. We're gonna have more
(38:42):
questions.
Do you know perfect Thank you.
Bye
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