October 13, 2023 • 50 mins
Discover how a pharmacist hacked work-life balance and found fulfillment. Rod Bastani shares the secrets to cultivating wellbeing, embracing an entrepreneurial mindset, and building a community of like-minded healthcare rebels. The future of pharmacy has arrived.
Have you ever felt stuck in your career as a pharmacist, unsure of how to integrate your passions and purpose?
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•How to overcome unconscious bias and integrate new ideas.
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Dr. Tamar Lawful (00:00):
This is episode six of Pivoting Pharmacy
with Nutrigenomics.
On this episode, I'minterviewing Dr.
Rod Bastani, a doctor ofpharmacy and the passionate and
driven CEO and founder ofpharmacists preceptor.
He helps pharmacy professionalsadvance their careers through
the support network ofspecialists, advisors and guides
.
Rod is going to share with ushow to cultivate an open and
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growth-oriented mindset throughthe power of integration.
He shares his journey fromretail pharmacy to
entrepreneurship and howovercoming personal challenges
led him to help otherpharmacists achieve
multi-dimensional wellness.
You'll see how collaboratingwith a diverse range of
specialists can expand yourimpact.
If you want to break free oflimitations, integrate your
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personal and professional livesand become a leader pioneering
the future of our field, listento this episode.
Welcome to Pivoting Pharmacywith Nutrigenomics, part of the
Pharmacy Podcast Network, amust-have resource for
pharmacists, entrepreneursseeking to enhance patient care
while enjoying career and life.
Join us as we pivot intoNutrigenomics, using pharmacy
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and nutrition for truepatient-focused care.
Explore how to improve chronicconditions rather than just
manage them.
Celebrate entrepreneurialtriumphs and receive priceless
advice.
Align your values with a careerthat profoundly impacts
patients.
Together, we'll raise thescript on health and pivot into
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a brighter future.
Today, it is my pleasure tointroduce you all to Dr.
Rod Vestani, the founder of thePharmacist Preceptor, and we
have some very good informationto share with you today, so
let's dive right in.
Hi Rod, thank you for beingwith us today.
Dr. Rod Bastani (01:49):
Hi Tamar, Thank you so much for having me.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (01:51):
You're welcome Now.
Can you give our listeners abrief introduction to yourself
and your background?
Dr. Rod Bastani (01:57):
Of course.
So I went to the University ofArizona College of Pharmacy.
I graduated in 2015 with myPharmD and I then moved to
Kansas City to get licensed.
I started working in retailpharmacy.
I then moved to New York whereI worked as a multi-location
pharmacist.
I was jumping from differentpharmacies in the city in
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Manhattan, and then I ended uplanding a pharmacy manager
position at an independentpharmacy in the city, and this
was during the pandemic, and Ithink at that time it was rather
difficult for me professionallyand personally.
I am now here in Hawaii.
I know it's very different fromNew York, but I've shifted, not
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only where I live, but in termsof what I do.
I'm no longer a retailpharmacist, but I still would
like to make an impact incommunity pharmacy as an
entrepreneur with PharmacistPreceptor.
I launched Pharmacist PreceptorDecember 2022, and it's a
startup.
It's growing and I would loveto share it with everyone.
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It's essentially a professionalnetwork of specialists who are
wanting to help pharmacists tapinto their full potential, help
them realize their goals andachieve work-life balance.
So I'm really excited to growthe company and to create
leaders in the field of pharmacyand beyond.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (03:26):
Wow, Rod! I think that is amazing, coming
from where you started to whereyou are now with the Pharmacist
Preceptor.
Could you tell us how yourpersonal journey inspired the
creation of the PharmacistPreceptor?
Dr. Rod Bastani (03:40):
Sure, I was working for big chain retail
company in New York and I thinkit was serving me financially.
It allowed me to live a certainlifestyle, and this was
pre-pandemic.
I was able to live in New York,and it was a very exciting,
exhilarating experience to be inthe city.
You essentially have the worldat your fingertips.
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However, when the pandemichappened, it became a very
different type of environment.
It became rather stressful,chaotic.
It essentially became theepicenter of COVID and it became
a very dark and isolating place.
I mean, working as a pharmacistin retail is already a very
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isolating role, so to be in thatparticular type of situation it
really took a strain on mymental health and it made me
consider how it was affectingother aspects of my wellness,
not just okay, yes, it wasproviding a steady paycheck, but
it was affecting otherdimensions of my wellness, and
it made me ask these hardquestions.
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So at that time, my father wasdiagnosed with brain cancer back
in my hometown, and it put mein a very difficult position
where I wanted to serve patientsand the city during that time
period, because it was a crisis.
At the same time, though, I knowthat I would want to be there
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for my father who was going todie.
Essentially, it made meconfront a lot of things about
myself personally andprofessionally, and at that time
I allowed my role to define meand as soon as the pandemic hit
and what was going on in mypersonal life, it really had a
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big effect on me.
It really affected my mentalhealth and now that I'm looking
back on it and trying to put thepieces of the puzzle together,
I'm wanting to make sure thatI'm working in a state of growth
rather than a state of stress,and that I'm wanting to
integrate more positive thingsinto my work life and in my
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personal life so that I havemore balance and if I'm able to
assist others before they findthemselves in this particular
type of situation, I would loveto be that person that provides
that information, to providethat wisdom and to be a platform
for others where they're ableto achieve work-life balance and
multi-dimensional wellness.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (06:13):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that personal
experience.
Rod, and you hit on somethingthat many pharmacists do face,
especially in retail the issueof the impact of the work
environment on mental health.
And, of course, during COVIDthat was an extra layer that
impacted the mental health ofmany pharmacists who are seeing
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patients coming in and firsthandseeing the illness and how the
virus is affecting variouspatients.
Yeah, well-being Well-being isabsolutely something that we
tend to neglect in ourprofession, right?
Dr. Rod Bastani (06:50):
Yes.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (06:52):
So thank you for sharing that with us.
How has overcoming yourpersonal health challenges
influenced your career?
Dr. Rod Bastani (06:59):
So, like I mentioned about let me go into
greater detail with regards tooperating, yes, and that type of
work environment I found myselfto be working in a state of
stress where I was just tryingto make it to the end of the day
, and I think that in itself istrauma.
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And, you're right, it's thisadditional layer of stress upon
the shoulders of healthcareprofessionals, not just me
Nurses, doctors, frontlineworkers, even people outside of
healthcare.
They were under tremendousamount of stress during this
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time With regards to overcomingthose personal mental health
challenges.
I've realized that mentalhealth, especially among
healthcare professionals, issomething that we don't
necessarily talk about.
There's a lot of stigmaattached to it.
If I'm going to be that personwho's going to stand up and
speak about it openly, and if ithelps others, yes, by all means
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, I'll definitely speak and bean advocate on that front.
As healthcare professionals, aspharmacists, we need more
resources that are more readilyavailable, that are more
accessible to us.
In Hawaii, just a few weeks ago, we had the wildfires on Maui
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in Lahaina just completely wipedout the town.
There were 115 or 116 that havepassed away.
It just makes me wonder like,okay, the healthcare
professionals were working inthat particular situation.
The pharmacists how are theybeing taken care of?
So then they are able tooperate in a state of growth and
be able to engage with theirpatients more effectively.
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If I were to have been in astate of growth, in a better
mental health mindset or a space, I should say it makes me
wonder how much more of animpact I could have made for my
patients and those around me, asopposed to being in a negative,
unhealthy mental health space.
So it makes me wonder how muchmore we can achieve as a society
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and as healthcare professionalsand pharmacists if we're able
to be at a more healthy levelwhen it comes to mental health
or financial health,occupational health, social,
spiritual.
So it's all encompassing.
I find it very fascinating.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (09:31):
Yeah, you bring up an interesting point,
because we usually don't thinkabout when it comes to taking
care of ourselves, applying thatto work and how efficient we
are in the work environment.
Usually take care of yourselfso that you can be better at
home with your family.
But yes, indeed, it's cateringto our well-being so that we can
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be at full capacity at work andhave something to give the
patients that we are workingwith.
Absolutely.
Dr. Rod Bastani (10:02):
So I absolutely love that.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (10:03):
And you mentioned the resources
Pharmacists.
We need those resources and youprovide resources with a
pharmacist preceptor.
So how does a pharmacypreceptor support professionals
in various aspects of theirlives?
Dr. Rod Bastani (10:18):
So we would like to make sure that there is
accessibility to industryleaders and resources that make
pharmacists better professionals.
When it comes to evaluatingwhat works for us individually
as pharmacists, what works forus as a group, I think it's very
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fascinating to pool all ofthose resources together and put
it underneath one roof.
When it comes to professionaldevelopment, personal
development, leadership, focusservices you know NaPlex, mpje,
I think in our own particularroles, we have the blinders on
and we just see what's in frontof us and we want to achieve
those goals and then, once weachieve them, we move on to the
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next set of goals.
So it's very fascinating when Ispeak with other pharmacists
and ask them this question likewhat has helped you become the
pharmacist that you are today,what helps you be a better
pharmacist?
And some of them really can'tcome up with ideas like right in
the moment, which I think isvery interesting.
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But as pharmacy students, aspharmacy graduates, as
pharmacists, there are thingsthat we integrate into our
careers, into our lives thatallow us to be better
pharmacists.
And it's not just pharmacyrelated, it can be in and out of
pharmacy and it can involvedifferent aspects of our
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well-being.
So, when it comes to being anentrepreneur or being a person
who is purchasing products orservices, or being a pharmacist,
we're always integratingdifferent things into our lives.
So, when it comes to mentalhealth, I think this is going to
be the very interesting part ofthe conversation which we'll
touch upon is how are weintegrating ourselves versus
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disintegrating?
But yes, with regards topharmacists, preceptor
accessibility to leaders andresources, active assistance
from specialists who can assistpharmacists in achieving those
goals and work-life balance,tapping into your full potential
as a professional and alsoindividualizing those services.
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I think each and every one ofus we have our own set of
concerns and issues and desiresand wants what we want from our
careers.
So individualizing,personalizing those services for
our clients, I think, is goingto be very important, and that's
how I envision pharmacists'preceptor moving forward.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (12:50):
Oh, wow, thank you.
Thank you for sharing that, rod.
Now you did mention integratingservices and program as part of
those who entrepreneurship,those who want to grow
businesses.
Could you talk a little bitmore about that?
Dr. Rod Bastani (13:05):
Sure.
So, as entrepreneurs tomorrowI'm sure this may resonate with
you when it comes to building abusiness, building a brand,
we're looking at differentservices and products that are
out there that we're able tointegrate into our businesses.
That will facilitate how weroll out our services.
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So, when it comes to websitedevelopment, surveys, engagement
, client engagement I'm justtrying to think of other ones
appointment scheduling,transaction based services and
products, there's a whole, it'sa whole business, it's a whole
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industry that's out there and wewant to kind of see what works
for us as entrepreneurs, whatworks for our company and what
works for our clients tostreamline these processes and
what essentially assists us inhelping our clients and the
people that we work with in aprofessional and personal regard
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.
So, when it comes to, yes, likewebsite development, there may
be, like, different options thatyou can pick from.
You want to integrate whatworks best for you, what you
think would be easy to use, whatwould be most affordable.
So there are different aspectsto looking at different products
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that are out there or services,and we wanna make sure that,
yes, they're accessible, thatthey provide great customer
support, they have differentoffers that they can provide.
So we're essentially shoppingfor these different services and
products that facilitate whatwe're trying to build in our own
world as entrepreneurs.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (14:50):
Yeah, that's a good point, because each
business structure is gonna bedifferent, so the needs of that
business are gonna be different,but it is important that that
individual identifies thesystems that will work for them,
because what works for onepharmacist may not work for
another and may not be necessaryfor another.
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And so why work harder if youdon't have to right?
Only use what you have to use?
And another aspect that willimpact what is necessary for
these pharmacists in theirbusiness is the type of services
they're offering.
Now I know beforehand we hadtalked a little bit about having
an open mindset towards thingsthat are not like traditionally
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done as pharmacists, right.
So if you have a client thatapproaches you with a
non-conventional,non-traditional business idea,
how would you help them?
How would you guide them?
Like to have more of an openmindset, or even others who may
not have that mindset to thinkof something different?
What have you found are somekey ways to help cultivate that
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open mindset with those types ofpharmacists?
Dr. Rod Bastani (15:56):
So I think this is a wonderful question in
terms of cultivating a more openmindset towards innovations
like nutrigenomics.
It's very fascinating how Ipersonally took that information
and processed it myself.
So there's something calledunconscious bias and as soon as
I heard nutrigenomics, my mindwent to pharmacogenomics, which
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is similar.
It's what I associated with,and it's fascinating because my
mind went to a different place.
They're similar, but what youdo is was novel to me.
It was different to hear.
So when you had initially spokeabout it, you essentially what
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we're doing.
We like to plant seeds.
So this gets the conversationgoing right.
So you had mentioned, okay,pharmacogenomics.
Yes, that's something that wecan provide.
If I'm not mistaken, we can dothat, but essentially, our focus
is nutrigenomics.
And it made me wonder okay,what exactly is nutrigenomic?
It made me want to research thetopic.
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I was in this position that Iwant to learn and have an open
mind, so I think communicationis super important, and wanting
to learn and keep the door openWith learning more about it, it
made me ask the question okay,how can I incorporate this
service into my practice?
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As of right now, I am notpracticing as a retail
pharmacist or helping patientsdirectly.
However, it's something that Ican put into my toolkit, right,
I can say, okay, nutrigenomicsis a point of reference.
If there is someone who'sinterested or who needs this
service or would like thisservice, I know exactly who I
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can point them in the directionto and that would be you, tamara
, I mean.
And also I'm able to ask myselfhow can I support you with what
you're doing?
We're all essentially trying tohelp each other and there is a
lot of value to nutrigenomicswhat we eat, what we put into
our bodies, how it affects ourgenome.
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I think this is veryfascinating and I think it's
very relevant to our DNA age,with our eating habits as a
society here in the US, and whatfoods are we consuming, how
it's affecting our genome, ourgenetic makeup.
So I think, by speaking about it, wanting to learn, and then
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asking those questions, say, hey, how can I incorporate this?
How can I integrate it?
How can I support one another,instead of saying, oh, this is
pharmacogenomic related, thishas nothing to apply to me,
which is not a correct line ofthought, or saying that this
doesn't relate to me, this issomething that I cannot bring
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into my practice, this issomething that I'm not able to
incorporate.
So, instead of just writing itoff, ask yourself, why am I
writing it off or why am I notopen to this idea?
I think by having that type ofmindset, being open and seeing
how we can help each otherbecause you, Tamar, are
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pharmacists as much as I am, andwe are in the pharmacy
profession and we are wanting tobring on these novel products
that may not be familiar toother people and when other
people hear about it, they maybe skeptical or they may have
their reservations, but we arein this position where we have
to educate and we have to keeppromoting our services to not
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only help these peopleunderstand what we do, but to
help, essentially, our clientpool.
I mean, without our services,without helping our clients, we
are essentially doing them adisservice.
So we want to be of service toour clients and help them, and
I'm here to help you, Tamar, inyour journey as an entrepreneur,
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and I'm just, yeah, so excitedto be a part of this.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (19:59):
Thank you, rah .
Thank you for your kind words,and that's why I admire about
the pharmacist preceptor is thatyou are putting these
pharmacists in touch with you,have your team of various
talents and skills.
At the same time, you're makingconnections with pharmacists
outside of your team so that youcan provide reference or
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direction for pharmacists thatcome to you for help for the
professional development andtheir personal growth as well.
So I think that is verycommendable with what you're
doing with the pharmacistpreceptor.
Dr. Rod Bastani (20:33):
Thank, you so much.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (20:34):
And likewise, I'm here to support you and
you're taking as well.
Thank you Definitely and youhit a point on the head where it
is the mindset, where peoplecan write things off right away,
mainly because it's unfamiliarand it's new right.
So that is a challenge.
So how do you think, in youropinion, how can pharmacists
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actually bridge that gap betweenthe unknown, the
non-traditional, cutting edgeconcepts like pharmacogenomics
and nutrigenomics, and bridge itwith the traditional pharmacy
practice?
Dr. Rod Bastani (21:08):
I think that's the multi, I think that's the
million dollar question.
I think again, traditionalpharmacy, cutting edge
technologies in pharmacy,instead of putting them into two
separate realms and boxes, theyare one of the same.
I mean essentially traditionalpharmacy and these cutting edge
technologies or services.
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They belong to us pharmacists.
So we have to take it uponourselves to be not only our own
advocates but advocates for oneanother.
Be the bridge.
Be the bridge to integrate them.
Don't be in your silo and thistraditional pharmacy sense and
say this is how things are andthen double down and put your
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foot down and say no, we don'thave room for cutting edge
technology, there's no money,there are no resources.
And then, for those who are inthe cutting edge technology, we
need to integrate thosetraditional practices because
that's what the general publicknows and that's what they're
familiar with and one cannotfunction without the other.
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So if you're in this positionwhere you're boxing yourself in,
you're doing yourself in theprofession a disservice.
We wanna make sure that you'reopen to integrating what is
necessary not only to you but toyour practice.
Again, nutrigenomics for me, asof right now, may not be
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applicable because I'm notserving patients.
However, I know that I'm ableto add that to my toolkit if and
when I am going to reenter arole where I have direct patient
care interactions, and that'swhy I'm able to ask myself how
can I integrate it, how can Ibring this on board?
How can I educate others withinmy own sphere?
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But yeah, be the bridge,integrate, be smart about how
you integrate.
We wanna make sure that thethings that you integrate are
necessary, that you're notdouble dipping when you
integrate and that you're opento it and that you're educating
others.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:11):
Yes, I agree 100%, Rod, because I love it.
It's like it's one and the same.
You're like be the bridge.
Be the bridge Like we are thebridge.
It doesn't have to be separate,it doesn't have to be
non-traditional on this side.
And then the new concept, youknow, cut edge things on the
other side.
We can definitely bridge it.
We can still be pharmacistseven when we take on these new
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quote, unquote, non-traditionaltools and skills and start those
services.
We have to be the bridge.
Dr. Rod Bastani (23:43):
I absolutely love that Be the bridge.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:46):
That's a great headline for some type of talk.
Dr. Rod Bastani (23:49):
I know Be the bridge.
I should put that on a coffeemug or something.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:52):
Yeah, do it, do it.
And another aspect of likealong the lines of being that
bridge is collaboration, rightand community.
These are essential aspects ofintegrating different areas of
pharmacy practice, whethertraditional or non-traditional
just integrating.
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How do you foster this sense ofcommunity within the pharmacist
preceptor and how does itbenefit the members?
Dr. Rod Bastani (24:20):
Collaboration, community.
Those are vital to running abig business, big corporation,
big company.
It's extremely vital for smallbusinesses, an organization.
With regards to community andcollaboration within pharmacist
preceptor diversity, equity,inclusion, dei that's super
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important to our values.
Yeah, community collaboration,diversity, equity, inclusion
they're part of our values atpharmacist preceptor.
So, by bringing everybody tothe table I like to call like a
round table talk by bringingeverybody to the table and that
they're able to share their ownlived experiences and voice.
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It brings so much value and somuch insight to how people think
about different things orprocesses or ideas within the
community.
Outside of the community.
If we only have a select fewpeople around the table who have
similar ways of thinking andhow they were brought up,
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cultural similarities, you'reessentially working with a
limited scope of insight.
So, by bringing diverse people,including them, making sure
that there's equity, I thinkthere's tremendous, tremendous
value in that and that's one ofour values.
It's part of our work culturehere at pharmacist preceptor.
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With regards to collaborationand community, I always say
creativity takes community.
We have community sessions,brainstorming sessions, think
tank sessions every couple ofweeks where we get together and
meet up and collaborate.
We speak about different behindthe scenes, internal operations
, with pharmacist preceptor.
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We exchange ideas and webrainstorm.
So I love that.
I love the sense of communitythat I think was missing when I
was working in retail pharmacy.
I felt that I wasn't part ofthe conversation.
I didn't have control over howmy own pharmacy operates and it
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was as if our team wasn'tunified.
It seemed as though we werejust operating as individual
entities and I think that's verytelling in pharmacy how
pharmacists work as individualentities as opposed to coming
together and collaborating andcoming together as a community
and brainstorming.
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It's actually, I think, verydisappointing.
I think pharmacy could achievea lot more.
We can utilize our own servicesand interests and passions and
move the profession forwardtogether.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (27:11):
Yes, indeed indeed, and you know that your
the values that you have foryour company.
I can definitely see how thatprovides you with a more well
rounded view and well roundedconcept of what you need to
offer your clients by havingeverybody be part of the table,
part of those discussions.
And I'm absolutely love thatyou have those think tank
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sessions, you know, because I'msure you probably have some very
good, interesting conversationscome up and some great ideas.
Dr. Rod Bastani (27:43):
Yes, it's not just individuals in pharmacy.
These are career coachspecialists, these are
individuals who are working aspsychotherapists and we hope to
integrate.
Coming back to our topic,integrating people in and out of
pharmacy to serve our clientsand to help them achieve work
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life balance and realize theirgoals, I think we have to have a
broader approach to how weserve what we serve.
It can't just be what we knowand what's been done
traditionally.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (28:19):
Yeah, it's good to have others, other non
pharmacists, as part of thatright.
So the same thing for, like anybusiness in pharmacy, as
pharmacists, we're trained inpharmacy and that's it.
Well for most of us.
Very few of us actually have amaster's in business or have
sales and marketing experience,right.
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So at times, you need to have amember of your team that has
expertise and the things thatyou do not have expertise in, so
that's why it's good to havethe diversity within your
business.
Yeah, so I absolutely love thatwith what you're doing at
Pharmacy, preceptor.
Now I want to go back to thosethink tank sessions.
Do you have a specific exampleof how, maybe something that
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came forth from those sessionsthat really helped with
integrating programs andservices for your clients?
Dr. Rod Bastani (29:09):
I'm glad you asked.
I have a really great example.
So during one of our think tanksessions, a couple pharmacists
disagreed on how to roll out aparticular service to best serve
our clients, and I was servingas mediator for the meeting.
I mean, I'm part of theconversation.
I am just wanting to make sure,to facilitate the conversation,
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that it's going in a positivedirection, which it was.
This was constructive feedbackthat I was getting that
pharmacists preceptor wasgetting.
So, even though there may havebeen this civil disagreement
between thoughts, I said, heyguys, you know what, like it's
okay, we can bring both on, wecan integrate both ideas into
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our services.
It's not just one or the other.
There can be a third way toapproach this, and it's very
funny because I had gottenfeedback from clients and they
said oh, I'm super interested inthis one service that was
proposed by one of thepharmacists in the meeting, and
another client was actually veryinterested in this other
service that the otherpharmacist was proposing.
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So instead of doing one or theother, why not?
Why don't we just integrate thetwo and just call it a day and
then see how it goes?
We can always amend, we canalways revise and see how it
goes.
It's not to say that it's oneor the other.
We can always integrate.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (30:36):
Oh, my goodness.
So your vision, your valuesextended beyond just staff or
the people you work with, butalso the ideas that come for you
were not excluding.
You was all equal opportunityfor these ideas to be put into
play, and especially if they'regood ideas and you have clients
who want them.
It's in demand.
It doesn't have to be one orthe other.
Dr. Rod Bastani (30:58):
And I think it's also this perspective that
I have, that I'm working withthis particular type of
intention where I am working asa peacemaker and I'm a
collaborator and I'm wanting toengage others.
This is maybe something that Iwouldn't have been able to do
working in a state of stress,let's say, at the center COVID
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2020 in New York.
You know like I didn't havetime for new ideas.
I didn't have time for peopleto come together and collaborate
, to see that I was not in thatposition to bring people
together, to be open to newideas.
I was doing my staff at aservice in certain scenarios.
(31:44):
It allows me to take a stepback and see now I've integrated
in this way, mental health-wise, that I'm able to integrate
these different types ofservices with pharmacist
preceptor.
To me, it's very fascinatinghow it's not just me, it's how
I'm engaging with people aroundme.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (32:05):
I think that's interesting.
It brings us back to what westarted with, with catering to
your well-being first and theability, once you do that,
you're able to give so much moreto others.
Now you're actually able to dothat now.
To me, it seems like you havethis fulfilling career compared
to what you started with.
Dr. Rod Bastani (32:26):
Yes, absolutely .
I think working retail pharmacy.
It's served me in certain ways,but when I came down to a
fulfilling career andsustainability, I think there
was a lot to improve on.
I think there's still work toimprove on now I'm not saying
that what I'm doing is servingme in all these different areas
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where I'm like 10 out of 10,100%.
We're all evolving.
Nothing is permanent.
We're all, as a society, we'reall trying to live a better life
.
In this particular role, thisis much more fulfilling.
I'm able to lean into my higherself, my more authentic self,
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and to be this person thatbridges creativity and
collaboration and being artistic, being creative as an
entrepreneur and also applyingthese very scientific black and
white concepts that's verycommon in pharmacy.
Being a pharmacist, I thinkthat allows me to live a life of
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balance and fulfillment.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (33:36):
Oh my goodness .
Yes, I'm happy for you, rod.
So now that you are here inthis stage, what advice would
you offer to other healthcareprofessionals about integrating
personal life, professionalpractice, entrepreneurial
pursuit, in order to achievethis balance and create a
fulfilling career?
Dr. Rod Bastani (33:55):
That question is a very good question.
I wish I had done my ownhomework years ago so that I
could pursue those things thatyou just mentioned With regards
to integrating personal life, myentrepreneurial role, my
professional work as apharmacist, I think it comes
down to, yes, having perspective, understanding who you are as a
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person, what you're trying toachieve in your career short
term, long term, goal wise andthen finding out what your
interests are really, taking thetime to deep dive and figuring
out what you're wanting toaccomplish and what your
passions are.
So, having perspective, havingpurpose, making sure that you
have clarity.
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And then the next is intention.
You want to make sure that youdo things with intention rather
than just going with the flow,seeing where life takes you.
Okay, so life took me to NewYork.
I worked in all these differentpharmacies as a retail
pharmacist.
I landed as a role as apharmacy manager.
What comes next after that?
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I didn't ask myself thatquestion.
So, by understanding what mypurpose is in my life, as an
entrepreneur or as a pharmacistor as a person, having that
clarity, being intentional yes,setting those short term, long
term goals and then ultimatelyfinding that passion where
you're able to integrate it all.
So I also am a passionatewriter and I again want to
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integrate all these differentthings in my life that works in
tandem towards what I'm tryingto achieve.
So it comes down to myfundamental desire as a person
and fear.
My fundamental desire as aperson is to support others and
to be supported.
My ultimate fear as a person,my fundamental fear, is to not
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be supported.
Understanding who I am and whatI'm looking for in life, how
I'm wanting to help others.
I mean, yes, I can be in apharmacy and I can help patients
, which I was doing, and thatfulfilled me in a certain way.
But it makes me wonder.
It made me wonder like how am Iable to help other pharmacists
across the US so that they'reable to help their patients more
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effectively?
Dr. Tamar Lawful (36:09):
You just said a lot.
With that we can make a wholeanother series of interviews.
They said just this onequestion, because you're 100%
correct we need to understandwho we are when we're pursuing
making these entrepreneurialpursuits or even in our career.
Understand who we are.
We have to have clarity, wehave to be intentional,
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purposeful, and passion isimportant because if you're not
passionate about what you do,you're not going to enjoy it.
So some of us go into pharmacybecause we are passionate about
it.
Others do it maybe because theyhave a family history of doing
it or they make a lot of moneydoing it.
They may not have the passionfor it and guarantee they're not
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enjoying it.
It is important that no matterwhat we do in life, whether it's
professional or personal, weneed to, at the core, understand
who we are, and then we do haveto be passionate about it in
order for us to really enjoy it.
So I definitely appreciate yousharing your personal advice on
being able to find that balanceand fulfillment and a rise in
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our career by sharing thosepoints with us.
What do you believe now that thefuture of pharmacy is, with
these integration programs andservices and cutting edge
approaches that, as pharmacists,we can use?
Dr. Rod Bastani (37:34):
I personally envision pharmacists utilizing
what they know, what their ownstrengths and skills are, and
expertise and to be able toprovide them as services.
That individual, thatpharmacist, can make the choice
themselves, whether if they wantto integrate different
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resources or different items.
The future of pharmacy whenwe're looking at retail pharmacy
, it doesn't look good.
I can only speak to retailpharmacy because that's the
industry that I'm well versed in.
I can't really speak on behalfof individual hospitals or
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different sectors withinpharmacy, but within retail
pharmacy it seems as thoughrobotic processes are going to
come into play.
It doesn't seem as though thepay outlook for pharmacists is
going to go up.
It seems as though they'rewanting to bring on board newer
talent and push out people whohave been within the company for
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years, because by bringing onnewer talent, that means you
have to pay these individualsless.
What I envision for pharmacy ingeneral yes, I like to see
pharmacists utilizing what theyknow, their strengths and skills
and leveraging them andsupporting our own community of
pharmacists and also helpingpatients directly.
(39:06):
So, with regards to communitypharmacy, I like to think of
that as an umbrella and I think,working in retail pharmacy I
may get some slack for sayingthis out loud, but it falls
under community pharmacy,absolutely.
But there are so many otherelements to community pharmacy
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which I think is gonna be veryinteresting exploring.
I am here to advocate for thosetrailblazers out there who are
paving the way in their ownfield, in their own roles, on
their own.
So, yes, like Nutrigenomics, Dr.
Tamar Lawful, PharmD, I commendyou for doing what you do
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because you are, in a sense, youare, a trailblazer in your own
right.
There is no playbook on how torun your business or there are
not many individuals who aredoing what you do, and you're
creating this network of futurepharmacists who are gonna be
involved in Nutrigenomics.
(40:11):
And I think, for me, I'm in thefield of creating leaders
within pharmacists who are ableto teach back to other
pharmacists and to make surethat they're able to, yeah,
achieve that work-life balancewhich I think is extremely
critical, and to realize theirgoals, so they're able to pursue
what they wanna do withoutdoing what is told of them.
(40:36):
So I think the future ofpharmacy is gonna be very
fascinating to see, becausethere are a lot of different
entrepreneurs, a lot ofdifferent startups coming about
right now.
So I'm very excited to see thisvery promising and exciting
future with Nutrogenomics.
I'm really excited to see wherePharmacy's Preceptor goes.
(40:57):
But I think there is gonna comea point where we're going to,
as a profession, that we'regonna have to confront how we
wanna operate as pharmacists,whether if we want to still
cling on to those traditionalaspects, or whether if we want
to move forward with the new.
But how do we integrate both?
Why not?
Dr. Tamar Lawful (41:19):
Why not?
Why not right?
Thank you for sharing that Rod.
And you know the future ofpharmacy is changing.
It's changing, it's in theprocess, it's already started.
There's some shaken up, there'ssome changes going on and I
didn't just start stepping.
Nutrigenomics has been around,but I would love to see more
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pharmacists using it and beingcomfortable with using it, and
so that's why that's my missionis to help them understand it
and see how, as pharmacists,they can still use
Nutrogenomics Without having topivot away from pharmacy.
We can still be pharmacists anduse Nutrogenomics and help our
patients in a different capacity.
Sometimes I speak topharmacists who they're
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independent pharmacy owners andthey're interested in adding
Nutrigenomics as a service intotheir pharmacy, into their
community pharmacy.
So, yes, the community pharmacy, retail pharmacy, is changing
towards you see it as going tomore robotic and automated
processes, but they still havethe opportunity to offer these
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innovative services likepharmacogenomics and
Nutrogenomics, even healthcoaching to those patients that
come into their pharmacies.
So we just have to startthinking differently as
pharmacists, we cannot stickwith the standard, the
traditional way of thinking andwhat we were taught or told,
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that this is what you can do andthat's it.
You know, because there's somuch more as we both know you
and I both know.
So pharmacists in the communitysetting just have to be more
innovative and be willing to trythese new things.
So definitely.
So the future is going tochange.
It's changing, but I still seesome light at the end of the
(43:08):
tunnel with a bit more hope.
Dr. Rod Bastani (43:10):
Yes, yes, I mean I think from personal
experience working and retailpharmacy where I wasn't leaning
towards my higher self, where Iwas working in this very
stressful environment and thisinfluence of concern and
negativity.
It just seemed as though it wasconsuming me and that I didn't
(43:34):
have control over my situation.
And I think, working with thattype of mentality where you're
like, oh, this is what I've beendestined to do and this is how
it is, and if I don't work as apharmacist, then I don't make
anything so it's kind of thisnegative dialogue that we're
internalizing, that this is howit is, that things can't change
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and I don't have the ability orthe power to change.
With this positive approach andperspective, we can start
opening those doors.
It's just a matter of whether,if we want to cross that
threshold and walk through thosedoors, so for me to have said,
okay, like I'm not going to workas a retail pharmacist, I'm
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going to pursue thisentrepreneurial role, which of
course, comes with a certainrisk, but it allows me to bring
in more positivity.
And if I'm bringing in morepositivity, more positivity will
attract more positivity and itjust makes me very excited for
(44:40):
the future, as opposed tofeeling dreadful or another week
of working in the pharmacy,like another shift I have to get
to the end, to another paycheck.
So with that type of mentality,like I'm excited, I'm ready to
do the work.
I'm really excited to see whatTamara's up to and what she's
(45:02):
posting and what she's doing onher end.
What are some otherentrepreneurs doing in the
community?
How is my community here inHawaii helping each other?
It's just a completelydifferent type of perspective
and I'm just so excited to seewhat happens and from there
we're able to grow.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (45:22):
So we've been talking about pretty much the
power of integration right andintegrating different aspects of
our life, work and evenentrepreneurship as pharmacists
and healthcare professionals,and this is so valuable when I'm
seeing it, it really comes downto our mindset so that we can
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really work on our wellbeing,that we can give to others.
What you've been saying remindsme of that.
What you have here heard peoplesay like is the cup half empty
or half full?
It depends how you look at itright.
And then another cup.
Analogy is if you don't haveanything in your cup, you can't
pour it into anybody else's cup.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:02):
That's true too .
Dr. Tamar Lawful (46:03):
By focusing on your mindset, your mental
wellness and your wellbeing, youfill yourself up to the point
where now you can pour it intoothers.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:14):
Yes.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (46:15):
Really you're open so that you can do that you
can share with others, versusbeing feeling stuck and really
locked in and not havinganything to give, not being able
to give, and now you're in aposition where you can give
through the final three sectors.
So thank you for that.
On behalf of Pharmacists atUHealth, I appreciate you and
what you're doing.
So how can listeners stay up todate with you, rod, and what
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you're doing, and learn moreabout Pharmacists?
Preceptor.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:41):
Sure, I mean I'm sure this is gonna resonate
with you as well.
I mean, as entrepreneurs likethe way to support us, reach out
to us, connect with us, engagewith us, see what we are
producing, what we're doing withour services and products.
(47:02):
With Pharmacists Preceptor,everyone has a seat at the table
, everyone is invited.
So again, this talk ofcommunity and collaboration,
it's not just for clients, it'snot just for specialists, it's
not just for pharmacists.
We want to create a communitywhere we're able to assist one
(47:26):
another.
I'm able to bring my own skills, my own strengths to the table.
Another specialist, anothercommunity member can bring their
own skills and strengths to thetable and that way we're able
to engage with one anotherthrough active assistance and be
able to serve clients to getwhere they need to be and want
to be as pharmacists.
(47:46):
So reach out to us throughsocial media.
We're active on all platformsFacebook, x, twitter or no X,
I'm sorry, x LinkedIn.
You can reach out to mepersonally through LinkedIn.
You can also go onto ourwebsite at
wwwPharmacistsPreceptorcom andyou can also subscribe.
(48:08):
We provide exclusive offers andwe provide updates as to what
we're working on.
That way you can stay tuned andupdated with our progress.
But with regards to supportingus and what we're doing, yes,
connect with us, connect withTamar, connect with me, speak
(48:29):
with us, engage with us.
There are ways to engage and tocollaborate, and through
community we're able to achieveso much more as opposed to
working independently.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (48:40):
Well, rod, it's been a pleasure, so thank
you again for taking the timetoday to speak with us and share
about the power of integration.
Dr. Rod Bastani (48:50):
Thank you so much, Tamar, for having me.
This has been a wonderfulexperience.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (48:55):
Next week.
Our upcoming episode is allabout personalizing diabetes
control so that you canconfidently guide your patients
in achieving their health goals,while eliminating the getheter
or the one-size-fits-allapproach.
It's an episode you won't wantto miss and until then, always
remember in your journey as ahealthcare professional always
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raise the scripts on health,because together we can bring
healthcare to higher levels.
This is episode six of Pivoting Pharmacy
with Nutrigenomics.
On this episode, I'minterviewing Dr.
Rod Bastani, a doctor ofpharmacy and the passionate and
driven CEO and founder ofpharmacists preceptor.
He helps pharmacy professionalsadvance their careers through
the support network ofspecialists, advisors and guides
.
Rod is going to share with ushow to cultivate an open and
(00:22):
growth-oriented mindset throughthe power of integration.
He shares his journey fromretail pharmacy to
entrepreneurship and howovercoming personal challenges
led him to help otherpharmacists achieve
multi-dimensional wellness.
You'll see how collaboratingwith a diverse range of
specialists can expand yourimpact.
If you want to break free oflimitations, integrate your
(00:44):
personal and professional livesand become a leader pioneering
the future of our field, listento this episode.
Welcome to Pivoting Pharmacywith Nutrigenomics, part of the
Pharmacy Podcast Network, amust-have resource for
pharmacists, entrepreneursseeking to enhance patient care
while enjoying career and life.
Join us as we pivot intoNutrigenomics, using pharmacy
(01:08):
and nutrition for truepatient-focused care.
Explore how to improve chronicconditions rather than just
manage them.
Celebrate entrepreneurialtriumphs and receive priceless
advice.
Align your values with a careerthat profoundly impacts
patients.
Together, we'll raise thescript on health and pivot into
(01:29):
a brighter future.
Today, it is my pleasure tointroduce you all to Dr.
Rod Vestani, the founder of thePharmacist Preceptor, and we
have some very good informationto share with you today, so
let's dive right in.
Hi Rod, thank you for beingwith us today.
Dr. Rod Bastani (01:49):
Hi Tamar, Thank you so much for having me.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (01:51):
You're welcome Now.
Can you give our listeners abrief introduction to yourself
and your background?
Dr. Rod Bastani (01:57):
Of course.
So I went to the University ofArizona College of Pharmacy.
I graduated in 2015 with myPharmD and I then moved to
Kansas City to get licensed.
I started working in retailpharmacy.
I then moved to New York whereI worked as a multi-location
pharmacist.
I was jumping from differentpharmacies in the city in
(02:18):
Manhattan, and then I ended uplanding a pharmacy manager
position at an independentpharmacy in the city, and this
was during the pandemic, and Ithink at that time it was rather
difficult for me professionallyand personally.
I am now here in Hawaii.
I know it's very different fromNew York, but I've shifted, not
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only where I live, but in termsof what I do.
I'm no longer a retailpharmacist, but I still would
like to make an impact incommunity pharmacy as an
entrepreneur with PharmacistPreceptor.
I launched Pharmacist PreceptorDecember 2022, and it's a
startup.
It's growing and I would loveto share it with everyone.
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It's essentially a professionalnetwork of specialists who are
wanting to help pharmacists tapinto their full potential, help
them realize their goals andachieve work-life balance.
So I'm really excited to growthe company and to create
leaders in the field of pharmacyand beyond.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (03:26):
Wow, Rod! I think that is amazing, coming
from where you started to whereyou are now with the Pharmacist
Preceptor.
Could you tell us how yourpersonal journey inspired the
creation of the PharmacistPreceptor?
Dr. Rod Bastani (03:40):
Sure, I was working for big chain retail
company in New York and I thinkit was serving me financially.
It allowed me to live a certainlifestyle, and this was
pre-pandemic.
I was able to live in New York,and it was a very exciting,
exhilarating experience to be inthe city.
You essentially have the worldat your fingertips.
(04:03):
However, when the pandemichappened, it became a very
different type of environment.
It became rather stressful,chaotic.
It essentially became theepicenter of COVID and it became
a very dark and isolating place.
I mean, working as a pharmacistin retail is already a very
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isolating role, so to be in thatparticular type of situation it
really took a strain on mymental health and it made me
consider how it was affectingother aspects of my wellness,
not just okay, yes, it wasproviding a steady paycheck, but
it was affecting otherdimensions of my wellness, and
it made me ask these hardquestions.
(04:49):
So at that time, my father wasdiagnosed with brain cancer back
in my hometown, and it put mein a very difficult position
where I wanted to serve patientsand the city during that time
period, because it was a crisis.
At the same time, though, I knowthat I would want to be there
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for my father who was going todie.
Essentially, it made meconfront a lot of things about
myself personally andprofessionally, and at that time
I allowed my role to define meand as soon as the pandemic hit
and what was going on in mypersonal life, it really had a
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big effect on me.
It really affected my mentalhealth and now that I'm looking
back on it and trying to put thepieces of the puzzle together,
I'm wanting to make sure thatI'm working in a state of growth
rather than a state of stress,and that I'm wanting to
integrate more positive thingsinto my work life and in my
(05:52):
personal life so that I havemore balance and if I'm able to
assist others before they findthemselves in this particular
type of situation, I would loveto be that person that provides
that information, to providethat wisdom and to be a platform
for others where they're ableto achieve work-life balance and
multi-dimensional wellness.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (06:13):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that personal
experience.
Rod, and you hit on somethingthat many pharmacists do face,
especially in retail the issueof the impact of the work
environment on mental health.
And, of course, during COVIDthat was an extra layer that
impacted the mental health ofmany pharmacists who are seeing
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patients coming in and firsthandseeing the illness and how the
virus is affecting variouspatients.
Yeah, well-being Well-being isabsolutely something that we
tend to neglect in ourprofession, right?
Dr. Rod Bastani (06:50):
Yes.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (06:52):
So thank you for sharing that with us.
How has overcoming yourpersonal health challenges
influenced your career?
Dr. Rod Bastani (06:59):
So, like I mentioned about let me go into
greater detail with regards tooperating, yes, and that type of
work environment I found myselfto be working in a state of
stress where I was just tryingto make it to the end of the day
, and I think that in itself istrauma.
(07:19):
And, you're right, it's thisadditional layer of stress upon
the shoulders of healthcareprofessionals, not just me
Nurses, doctors, frontlineworkers, even people outside of
healthcare.
They were under tremendousamount of stress during this
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time With regards to overcomingthose personal mental health
challenges.
I've realized that mentalhealth, especially among
healthcare professionals, issomething that we don't
necessarily talk about.
There's a lot of stigmaattached to it.
If I'm going to be that personwho's going to stand up and
speak about it openly, and if ithelps others, yes, by all means
(08:04):
, I'll definitely speak and bean advocate on that front.
As healthcare professionals, aspharmacists, we need more
resources that are more readilyavailable, that are more
accessible to us.
In Hawaii, just a few weeks ago, we had the wildfires on Maui
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in Lahaina just completely wipedout the town.
There were 115 or 116 that havepassed away.
It just makes me wonder like,okay, the healthcare
professionals were working inthat particular situation.
The pharmacists how are theybeing taken care of?
So then they are able tooperate in a state of growth and
be able to engage with theirpatients more effectively.
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If I were to have been in astate of growth, in a better
mental health mindset or a space, I should say it makes me
wonder how much more of animpact I could have made for my
patients and those around me, asopposed to being in a negative,
unhealthy mental health space.
So it makes me wonder how muchmore we can achieve as a society
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and as healthcare professionalsand pharmacists if we're able
to be at a more healthy levelwhen it comes to mental health
or financial health,occupational health, social,
spiritual.
So it's all encompassing.
I find it very fascinating.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (09:31):
Yeah, you bring up an interesting point,
because we usually don't thinkabout when it comes to taking
care of ourselves, applying thatto work and how efficient we
are in the work environment.
Usually take care of yourselfso that you can be better at
home with your family.
But yes, indeed, it's cateringto our well-being so that we can
(09:53):
be at full capacity at work andhave something to give the
patients that we are workingwith.
Absolutely.
Dr. Rod Bastani (10:02):
So I absolutely love that.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (10:03):
And you mentioned the resources
Pharmacists.
We need those resources and youprovide resources with a
pharmacist preceptor.
So how does a pharmacypreceptor support professionals
in various aspects of theirlives?
Dr. Rod Bastani (10:18):
So we would like to make sure that there is
accessibility to industryleaders and resources that make
pharmacists better professionals.
When it comes to evaluatingwhat works for us individually
as pharmacists, what works forus as a group, I think it's very
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fascinating to pool all ofthose resources together and put
it underneath one roof.
When it comes to professionaldevelopment, personal
development, leadership, focusservices you know NaPlex, mpje,
I think in our own particularroles, we have the blinders on
and we just see what's in frontof us and we want to achieve
those goals and then, once weachieve them, we move on to the
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next set of goals.
So it's very fascinating when Ispeak with other pharmacists
and ask them this question likewhat has helped you become the
pharmacist that you are today,what helps you be a better
pharmacist?
And some of them really can'tcome up with ideas like right in
the moment, which I think isvery interesting.
(11:22):
But as pharmacy students, aspharmacy graduates, as
pharmacists, there are thingsthat we integrate into our
careers, into our lives thatallow us to be better
pharmacists.
And it's not just pharmacyrelated, it can be in and out of
pharmacy and it can involvedifferent aspects of our
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well-being.
So, when it comes to being anentrepreneur or being a person
who is purchasing products orservices, or being a pharmacist,
we're always integratingdifferent things into our lives.
So, when it comes to mentalhealth, I think this is going to
be the very interesting part ofthe conversation which we'll
touch upon is how are weintegrating ourselves versus
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disintegrating?
But yes, with regards topharmacists, preceptor
accessibility to leaders andresources, active assistance
from specialists who can assistpharmacists in achieving those
goals and work-life balance,tapping into your full potential
as a professional and alsoindividualizing those services.
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I think each and every one ofus we have our own set of
concerns and issues and desiresand wants what we want from our
careers.
So individualizing,personalizing those services for
our clients, I think, is goingto be very important, and that's
how I envision pharmacists'preceptor moving forward.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (12:50):
Oh, wow, thank you.
Thank you for sharing that, rod.
Now you did mention integratingservices and program as part of
those who entrepreneurship,those who want to grow
businesses.
Could you talk a little bitmore about that?
Dr. Rod Bastani (13:05):
Sure.
So, as entrepreneurs tomorrowI'm sure this may resonate with
you when it comes to building abusiness, building a brand,
we're looking at differentservices and products that are
out there that we're able tointegrate into our businesses.
That will facilitate how weroll out our services.
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So, when it comes to websitedevelopment, surveys, engagement
, client engagement I'm justtrying to think of other ones
appointment scheduling,transaction based services and
products, there's a whole, it'sa whole business, it's a whole
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industry that's out there and wewant to kind of see what works
for us as entrepreneurs, whatworks for our company and what
works for our clients tostreamline these processes and
what essentially assists us inhelping our clients and the
people that we work with in aprofessional and personal regard
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.
So, when it comes to, yes, likewebsite development, there may
be, like, different options thatyou can pick from.
You want to integrate whatworks best for you, what you
think would be easy to use, whatwould be most affordable.
So there are different aspectsto looking at different products
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that are out there or services,and we wanna make sure that,
yes, they're accessible, thatthey provide great customer
support, they have differentoffers that they can provide.
So we're essentially shoppingfor these different services and
products that facilitate whatwe're trying to build in our own
world as entrepreneurs.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (14:50):
Yeah, that's a good point, because each
business structure is gonna bedifferent, so the needs of that
business are gonna be different,but it is important that that
individual identifies thesystems that will work for them,
because what works for onepharmacist may not work for
another and may not be necessaryfor another.
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And so why work harder if youdon't have to right?
Only use what you have to use?
And another aspect that willimpact what is necessary for
these pharmacists in theirbusiness is the type of services
they're offering.
Now I know beforehand we hadtalked a little bit about having
an open mindset towards thingsthat are not like traditionally
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done as pharmacists, right.
So if you have a client thatapproaches you with a
non-conventional,non-traditional business idea,
how would you help them?
How would you guide them?
Like to have more of an openmindset, or even others who may
not have that mindset to thinkof something different?
What have you found are somekey ways to help cultivate that
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open mindset with those types ofpharmacists?
Dr. Rod Bastani (15:56):
So I think this is a wonderful question in
terms of cultivating a more openmindset towards innovations
like nutrigenomics.
It's very fascinating how Ipersonally took that information
and processed it myself.
So there's something calledunconscious bias and as soon as
I heard nutrigenomics, my mindwent to pharmacogenomics, which
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is similar.
It's what I associated with,and it's fascinating because my
mind went to a different place.
They're similar, but what youdo is was novel to me.
It was different to hear.
So when you had initially spokeabout it, you essentially what
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we're doing.
We like to plant seeds.
So this gets the conversationgoing right.
So you had mentioned, okay,pharmacogenomics.
Yes, that's something that wecan provide.
If I'm not mistaken, we can dothat, but essentially, our focus
is nutrigenomics.
And it made me wonder okay,what exactly is nutrigenomic?
It made me want to research thetopic.
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I was in this position that Iwant to learn and have an open
mind, so I think communicationis super important, and wanting
to learn and keep the door openWith learning more about it, it
made me ask the question okay,how can I incorporate this
service into my practice?
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As of right now, I am notpracticing as a retail
pharmacist or helping patientsdirectly.
However, it's something that Ican put into my toolkit, right,
I can say, okay, nutrigenomicsis a point of reference.
If there is someone who'sinterested or who needs this
service or would like thisservice, I know exactly who I
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can point them in the directionto and that would be you, tamara
, I mean.
And also I'm able to ask myselfhow can I support you with what
you're doing?
We're all essentially trying tohelp each other and there is a
lot of value to nutrigenomicswhat we eat, what we put into
our bodies, how it affects ourgenome.
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I think this is veryfascinating and I think it's
very relevant to our DNA age,with our eating habits as a
society here in the US, and whatfoods are we consuming, how
it's affecting our genome, ourgenetic makeup.
So I think, by speaking about it, wanting to learn, and then
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asking those questions, say, hey, how can I incorporate this?
How can I integrate it?
How can I support one another,instead of saying, oh, this is
pharmacogenomic related, thishas nothing to apply to me,
which is not a correct line ofthought, or saying that this
doesn't relate to me, this issomething that I cannot bring
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into my practice, this issomething that I'm not able to
incorporate.
So, instead of just writing itoff, ask yourself, why am I
writing it off or why am I notopen to this idea?
I think by having that type ofmindset, being open and seeing
how we can help each otherbecause you, Tamar, are
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pharmacists as much as I am, andwe are in the pharmacy
profession and we are wanting tobring on these novel products
that may not be familiar toother people and when other
people hear about it, they maybe skeptical or they may have
their reservations, but we arein this position where we have
to educate and we have to keeppromoting our services to not
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only help these peopleunderstand what we do, but to
help, essentially, our clientpool.
I mean, without our services,without helping our clients, we
are essentially doing them adisservice.
So we want to be of service toour clients and help them, and
I'm here to help you, Tamar, inyour journey as an entrepreneur,
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and I'm just, yeah, so excitedto be a part of this.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (19:59):
Thank you, rah .
Thank you for your kind words,and that's why I admire about
the pharmacist preceptor is thatyou are putting these
pharmacists in touch with you,have your team of various
talents and skills.
At the same time, you're makingconnections with pharmacists
outside of your team so that youcan provide reference or
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direction for pharmacists thatcome to you for help for the
professional development andtheir personal growth as well.
So I think that is verycommendable with what you're
doing with the pharmacistpreceptor.
Dr. Rod Bastani (20:33):
Thank, you so much.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (20:34):
And likewise, I'm here to support you and
you're taking as well.
Thank you Definitely and youhit a point on the head where it
is the mindset, where peoplecan write things off right away,
mainly because it's unfamiliarand it's new right.
So that is a challenge.
So how do you think, in youropinion, how can pharmacists
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actually bridge that gap betweenthe unknown, the
non-traditional, cutting edgeconcepts like pharmacogenomics
and nutrigenomics, and bridge itwith the traditional pharmacy
practice?
Dr. Rod Bastani (21:08):
I think that's the multi, I think that's the
million dollar question.
I think again, traditionalpharmacy, cutting edge
technologies in pharmacy,instead of putting them into two
separate realms and boxes, theyare one of the same.
I mean essentially traditionalpharmacy and these cutting edge
technologies or services.
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They belong to us pharmacists.
So we have to take it uponourselves to be not only our own
advocates but advocates for oneanother.
Be the bridge.
Be the bridge to integrate them.
Don't be in your silo and thistraditional pharmacy sense and
say this is how things are andthen double down and put your
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foot down and say no, we don'thave room for cutting edge
technology, there's no money,there are no resources.
And then, for those who are inthe cutting edge technology, we
need to integrate thosetraditional practices because
that's what the general publicknows and that's what they're
familiar with and one cannotfunction without the other.
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So if you're in this positionwhere you're boxing yourself in,
you're doing yourself in theprofession a disservice.
We wanna make sure that you'reopen to integrating what is
necessary not only to you but toyour practice.
Again, nutrigenomics for me, asof right now, may not be
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applicable because I'm notserving patients.
However, I know that I'm ableto add that to my toolkit if and
when I am going to reenter arole where I have direct patient
care interactions, and that'swhy I'm able to ask myself how
can I integrate it, how can Ibring this on board?
How can I educate others withinmy own sphere?
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But yeah, be the bridge,integrate, be smart about how
you integrate.
We wanna make sure that thethings that you integrate are
necessary, that you're notdouble dipping when you
integrate and that you're opento it and that you're educating
others.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:11):
Yes, I agree 100%, Rod, because I love it.
It's like it's one and the same.
You're like be the bridge.
Be the bridge Like we are thebridge.
It doesn't have to be separate,it doesn't have to be
non-traditional on this side.
And then the new concept, youknow, cut edge things on the
other side.
We can definitely bridge it.
We can still be pharmacistseven when we take on these new
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quote, unquote, non-traditionaltools and skills and start those
services.
We have to be the bridge.
Dr. Rod Bastani (23:43):
I absolutely love that Be the bridge.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:46):
That's a great headline for some type of talk.
Dr. Rod Bastani (23:49):
I know Be the bridge.
I should put that on a coffeemug or something.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (23:52):
Yeah, do it, do it.
And another aspect of likealong the lines of being that
bridge is collaboration, rightand community.
These are essential aspects ofintegrating different areas of
pharmacy practice, whethertraditional or non-traditional
just integrating.
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How do you foster this sense ofcommunity within the pharmacist
preceptor and how does itbenefit the members?
Dr. Rod Bastani (24:20):
Collaboration, community.
Those are vital to running abig business, big corporation,
big company.
It's extremely vital for smallbusinesses, an organization.
With regards to community andcollaboration within pharmacist
preceptor diversity, equity,inclusion, dei that's super
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important to our values.
Yeah, community collaboration,diversity, equity, inclusion
they're part of our values atpharmacist preceptor.
So, by bringing everybody tothe table I like to call like a
round table talk by bringingeverybody to the table and that
they're able to share their ownlived experiences and voice.
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It brings so much value and somuch insight to how people think
about different things orprocesses or ideas within the
community.
Outside of the community.
If we only have a select fewpeople around the table who have
similar ways of thinking andhow they were brought up,
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cultural similarities, you'reessentially working with a
limited scope of insight.
So, by bringing diverse people,including them, making sure
that there's equity, I thinkthere's tremendous, tremendous
value in that and that's one ofour values.
It's part of our work culturehere at pharmacist preceptor.
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With regards to collaborationand community, I always say
creativity takes community.
We have community sessions,brainstorming sessions, think
tank sessions every couple ofweeks where we get together and
meet up and collaborate.
We speak about different behindthe scenes, internal operations
, with pharmacist preceptor.
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We exchange ideas and webrainstorm.
So I love that.
I love the sense of communitythat I think was missing when I
was working in retail pharmacy.
I felt that I wasn't part ofthe conversation.
I didn't have control over howmy own pharmacy operates and it
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was as if our team wasn'tunified.
It seemed as though we werejust operating as individual
entities and I think that's verytelling in pharmacy how
pharmacists work as individualentities as opposed to coming
together and collaborating andcoming together as a community
and brainstorming.
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It's actually, I think, verydisappointing.
I think pharmacy could achievea lot more.
We can utilize our own servicesand interests and passions and
move the profession forwardtogether.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (27:11):
Yes, indeed indeed, and you know that your
the values that you have foryour company.
I can definitely see how thatprovides you with a more well
rounded view and well roundedconcept of what you need to
offer your clients by havingeverybody be part of the table,
part of those discussions.
And I'm absolutely love thatyou have those think tank
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sessions, you know, because I'msure you probably have some very
good, interesting conversationscome up and some great ideas.
Dr. Rod Bastani (27:43):
Yes, it's not just individuals in pharmacy.
These are career coachspecialists, these are
individuals who are working aspsychotherapists and we hope to
integrate.
Coming back to our topic,integrating people in and out of
pharmacy to serve our clientsand to help them achieve work
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life balance and realize theirgoals, I think we have to have a
broader approach to how weserve what we serve.
It can't just be what we knowand what's been done
traditionally.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (28:19):
Yeah, it's good to have others, other non
pharmacists, as part of thatright.
So the same thing for, like anybusiness in pharmacy, as
pharmacists, we're trained inpharmacy and that's it.
Well for most of us.
Very few of us actually have amaster's in business or have
sales and marketing experience,right.
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So at times, you need to have amember of your team that has
expertise and the things thatyou do not have expertise in, so
that's why it's good to havethe diversity within your
business.
Yeah, so I absolutely love thatwith what you're doing at
Pharmacy, preceptor.
Now I want to go back to thosethink tank sessions.
Do you have a specific exampleof how, maybe something that
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came forth from those sessionsthat really helped with
integrating programs andservices for your clients?
Dr. Rod Bastani (29:09):
I'm glad you asked.
I have a really great example.
So during one of our think tanksessions, a couple pharmacists
disagreed on how to roll out aparticular service to best serve
our clients, and I was servingas mediator for the meeting.
I mean, I'm part of theconversation.
I am just wanting to make sure,to facilitate the conversation,
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that it's going in a positivedirection, which it was.
This was constructive feedbackthat I was getting that
pharmacists preceptor wasgetting.
So, even though there may havebeen this civil disagreement
between thoughts, I said, heyguys, you know what, like it's
okay, we can bring both on, wecan integrate both ideas into
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our services.
It's not just one or the other.
There can be a third way toapproach this, and it's very
funny because I had gottenfeedback from clients and they
said oh, I'm super interested inthis one service that was
proposed by one of thepharmacists in the meeting, and
another client was actually veryinterested in this other
service that the otherpharmacist was proposing.
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So instead of doing one or theother, why not?
Why don't we just integrate thetwo and just call it a day and
then see how it goes?
We can always amend, we canalways revise and see how it
goes.
It's not to say that it's oneor the other.
We can always integrate.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (30:36):
Oh, my goodness.
So your vision, your valuesextended beyond just staff or
the people you work with, butalso the ideas that come for you
were not excluding.
You was all equal opportunityfor these ideas to be put into
play, and especially if they'regood ideas and you have clients
who want them.
It's in demand.
It doesn't have to be one orthe other.
Dr. Rod Bastani (30:58):
And I think it's also this perspective that
I have, that I'm working withthis particular type of
intention where I am working asa peacemaker and I'm a
collaborator and I'm wanting toengage others.
This is maybe something that Iwouldn't have been able to do
working in a state of stress,let's say, at the center COVID
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2020 in New York.
You know like I didn't havetime for new ideas.
I didn't have time for peopleto come together and collaborate
, to see that I was not in thatposition to bring people
together, to be open to newideas.
I was doing my staff at aservice in certain scenarios.
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It allows me to take a stepback and see now I've integrated
in this way, mental health-wise, that I'm able to integrate
these different types ofservices with pharmacist
preceptor.
To me, it's very fascinatinghow it's not just me, it's how
I'm engaging with people aroundme.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (32:05):
I think that's interesting.
It brings us back to what westarted with, with catering to
your well-being first and theability, once you do that,
you're able to give so much moreto others.
Now you're actually able to dothat now.
To me, it seems like you havethis fulfilling career compared
to what you started with.
Dr. Rod Bastani (32:26):
Yes, absolutely .
I think working retail pharmacy.
It's served me in certain ways,but when I came down to a
fulfilling career andsustainability, I think there
was a lot to improve on.
I think there's still work toimprove on now I'm not saying
that what I'm doing is servingme in all these different areas
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where I'm like 10 out of 10,100%.
We're all evolving.
Nothing is permanent.
We're all, as a society, we'reall trying to live a better life
.
In this particular role, thisis much more fulfilling.
I'm able to lean into my higherself, my more authentic self,
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and to be this person thatbridges creativity and
collaboration and being artistic, being creative as an
entrepreneur and also applyingthese very scientific black and
white concepts that's verycommon in pharmacy.
Being a pharmacist, I thinkthat allows me to live a life of
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balance and fulfillment.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (33:36):
Oh my goodness .
Yes, I'm happy for you, rod.
So now that you are here inthis stage, what advice would
you offer to other healthcareprofessionals about integrating
personal life, professionalpractice, entrepreneurial
pursuit, in order to achievethis balance and create a
fulfilling career?
Dr. Rod Bastani (33:55):
That question is a very good question.
I wish I had done my ownhomework years ago so that I
could pursue those things thatyou just mentioned With regards
to integrating personal life, myentrepreneurial role, my
professional work as apharmacist, I think it comes
down to, yes, having perspective, understanding who you are as a
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person, what you're trying toachieve in your career short
term, long term, goal wise andthen finding out what your
interests are really, taking thetime to deep dive and figuring
out what you're wanting toaccomplish and what your
passions are.
So, having perspective, havingpurpose, making sure that you
have clarity.
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And then the next is intention.
You want to make sure that youdo things with intention rather
than just going with the flow,seeing where life takes you.
Okay, so life took me to NewYork.
I worked in all these differentpharmacies as a retail
pharmacist.
I landed as a role as apharmacy manager.
What comes next after that?
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I didn't ask myself thatquestion.
So, by understanding what mypurpose is in my life, as an
entrepreneur or as a pharmacistor as a person, having that
clarity, being intentional yes,setting those short term, long
term goals and then ultimatelyfinding that passion where
you're able to integrate it all.
So I also am a passionatewriter and I again want to
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integrate all these differentthings in my life that works in
tandem towards what I'm tryingto achieve.
So it comes down to myfundamental desire as a person
and fear.
My fundamental desire as aperson is to support others and
to be supported.
My ultimate fear as a person,my fundamental fear, is to not
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be supported.
Understanding who I am and whatI'm looking for in life, how
I'm wanting to help others.
I mean, yes, I can be in apharmacy and I can help patients
, which I was doing, and thatfulfilled me in a certain way.
But it makes me wonder.
It made me wonder like how am Iable to help other pharmacists
across the US so that they'reable to help their patients more
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effectively?
Dr. Tamar Lawful (36:09):
You just said a lot.
With that we can make a wholeanother series of interviews.
They said just this onequestion, because you're 100%
correct we need to understandwho we are when we're pursuing
making these entrepreneurialpursuits or even in our career.
Understand who we are.
We have to have clarity, wehave to be intentional,
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purposeful, and passion isimportant because if you're not
passionate about what you do,you're not going to enjoy it.
So some of us go into pharmacybecause we are passionate about
it.
Others do it maybe because theyhave a family history of doing
it or they make a lot of moneydoing it.
They may not have the passionfor it and guarantee they're not
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enjoying it.
It is important that no matterwhat we do in life, whether it's
professional or personal, weneed to, at the core, understand
who we are, and then we do haveto be passionate about it in
order for us to really enjoy it.
So I definitely appreciate yousharing your personal advice on
being able to find that balanceand fulfillment and a rise in
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our career by sharing thosepoints with us.
What do you believe now that thefuture of pharmacy is, with
these integration programs andservices and cutting edge
approaches that, as pharmacists,we can use?
Dr. Rod Bastani (37:34):
I personally envision pharmacists utilizing
what they know, what their ownstrengths and skills are, and
expertise and to be able toprovide them as services.
That individual, thatpharmacist, can make the choice
themselves, whether if they wantto integrate different
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resources or different items.
The future of pharmacy whenwe're looking at retail pharmacy
, it doesn't look good.
I can only speak to retailpharmacy because that's the
industry that I'm well versed in.
I can't really speak on behalfof individual hospitals or
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different sectors withinpharmacy, but within retail
pharmacy it seems as thoughrobotic processes are going to
come into play.
It doesn't seem as though thepay outlook for pharmacists is
going to go up.
It seems as though they'rewanting to bring on board newer
talent and push out people whohave been within the company for
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years, because by bringing onnewer talent, that means you
have to pay these individualsless.
What I envision for pharmacy ingeneral yes, I like to see
pharmacists utilizing what theyknow, their strengths and skills
and leveraging them andsupporting our own community of
pharmacists and also helpingpatients directly.
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So, with regards to communitypharmacy, I like to think of
that as an umbrella and I think,working in retail pharmacy I
may get some slack for sayingthis out loud, but it falls
under community pharmacy,absolutely.
But there are so many otherelements to community pharmacy
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which I think is gonna be veryinteresting exploring.
I am here to advocate for thosetrailblazers out there who are
paving the way in their ownfield, in their own roles, on
their own.
So, yes, like Nutrigenomics, Dr.
Tamar Lawful, PharmD, I commendyou for doing what you do
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because you are, in a sense, youare, a trailblazer in your own
right.
There is no playbook on how torun your business or there are
not many individuals who aredoing what you do, and you're
creating this network of futurepharmacists who are gonna be
involved in Nutrigenomics.
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And I think, for me, I'm in thefield of creating leaders
within pharmacists who are ableto teach back to other
pharmacists and to make surethat they're able to, yeah,
achieve that work-life balancewhich I think is extremely
critical, and to realize theirgoals, so they're able to pursue
what they wanna do withoutdoing what is told of them.
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So I think the future ofpharmacy is gonna be very
fascinating to see, becausethere are a lot of different
entrepreneurs, a lot ofdifferent startups coming about
right now.
So I'm very excited to see thisvery promising and exciting
future with Nutrogenomics.
I'm really excited to see wherePharmacy's Preceptor goes.
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But I think there is gonna comea point where we're going to,
as a profession, that we'regonna have to confront how we
wanna operate as pharmacists,whether if we want to still
cling on to those traditionalaspects, or whether if we want
to move forward with the new.
But how do we integrate both?
Why not?
Dr. Tamar Lawful (41:19):
Why not?
Why not right?
Thank you for sharing that Rod.
And you know the future ofpharmacy is changing.
It's changing, it's in theprocess, it's already started.
There's some shaken up, there'ssome changes going on and I
didn't just start stepping.
Nutrigenomics has been around,but I would love to see more
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pharmacists using it and beingcomfortable with using it, and
so that's why that's my missionis to help them understand it
and see how, as pharmacists,they can still use
Nutrogenomics Without having topivot away from pharmacy.
We can still be pharmacists anduse Nutrogenomics and help our
patients in a different capacity.
Sometimes I speak topharmacists who they're
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independent pharmacy owners andthey're interested in adding
Nutrigenomics as a service intotheir pharmacy, into their
community pharmacy.
So, yes, the community pharmacy, retail pharmacy, is changing
towards you see it as going tomore robotic and automated
processes, but they still havethe opportunity to offer these
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innovative services likepharmacogenomics and
Nutrogenomics, even healthcoaching to those patients that
come into their pharmacies.
So we just have to startthinking differently as
pharmacists, we cannot stickwith the standard, the
traditional way of thinking andwhat we were taught or told,
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that this is what you can do andthat's it.
You know, because there's somuch more as we both know you
and I both know.
So pharmacists in the communitysetting just have to be more
innovative and be willing to trythese new things.
So definitely.
So the future is going tochange.
It's changing, but I still seesome light at the end of the
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tunnel with a bit more hope.
Dr. Rod Bastani (43:10):
Yes, yes, I mean I think from personal
experience working and retailpharmacy where I wasn't leaning
towards my higher self, where Iwas working in this very
stressful environment and thisinfluence of concern and
negativity.
It just seemed as though it wasconsuming me and that I didn't
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have control over my situation.
And I think, working with thattype of mentality where you're
like, oh, this is what I've beendestined to do and this is how
it is, and if I don't work as apharmacist, then I don't make
anything so it's kind of thisnegative dialogue that we're
internalizing, that this is howit is, that things can't change
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and I don't have the ability orthe power to change.
With this positive approach andperspective, we can start
opening those doors.
It's just a matter of whether,if we want to cross that
threshold and walk through thosedoors, so for me to have said,
okay, like I'm not going to workas a retail pharmacist, I'm
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going to pursue thisentrepreneurial role, which of
course, comes with a certainrisk, but it allows me to bring
in more positivity.
And if I'm bringing in morepositivity, more positivity will
attract more positivity and itjust makes me very excited for
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the future, as opposed tofeeling dreadful or another week
of working in the pharmacy,like another shift I have to get
to the end, to another paycheck.
So with that type of mentality,like I'm excited, I'm ready to
do the work.
I'm really excited to see whatTamara's up to and what she's
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posting and what she's doing onher end.
What are some otherentrepreneurs doing in the
community?
How is my community here inHawaii helping each other?
It's just a completelydifferent type of perspective
and I'm just so excited to seewhat happens and from there
we're able to grow.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (45:22):
So we've been talking about pretty much the
power of integration right andintegrating different aspects of
our life, work and evenentrepreneurship as pharmacists
and healthcare professionals,and this is so valuable when I'm
seeing it, it really comes downto our mindset so that we can
(45:42):
really work on our wellbeing,that we can give to others.
What you've been saying remindsme of that.
What you have here heard peoplesay like is the cup half empty
or half full?
It depends how you look at itright.
And then another cup.
Analogy is if you don't haveanything in your cup, you can't
pour it into anybody else's cup.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:02):
That's true too .
Dr. Tamar Lawful (46:03):
By focusing on your mindset, your mental
wellness and your wellbeing, youfill yourself up to the point
where now you can pour it intoothers.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:14):
Yes.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (46:15):
Really you're open so that you can do that you
can share with others, versusbeing feeling stuck and really
locked in and not havinganything to give, not being able
to give, and now you're in aposition where you can give
through the final three sectors.
So thank you for that.
On behalf of Pharmacists atUHealth, I appreciate you and
what you're doing.
So how can listeners stay up todate with you, rod, and what
(46:37):
you're doing, and learn moreabout Pharmacists?
Preceptor.
Dr. Rod Bastani (46:41):
Sure, I mean I'm sure this is gonna resonate
with you as well.
I mean, as entrepreneurs likethe way to support us, reach out
to us, connect with us, engagewith us, see what we are
producing, what we're doing withour services and products.
(47:02):
With Pharmacists Preceptor,everyone has a seat at the table
, everyone is invited.
So again, this talk ofcommunity and collaboration,
it's not just for clients, it'snot just for specialists, it's
not just for pharmacists.
We want to create a communitywhere we're able to assist one
(47:26):
another.
I'm able to bring my own skills, my own strengths to the table.
Another specialist, anothercommunity member can bring their
own skills and strengths to thetable and that way we're able
to engage with one anotherthrough active assistance and be
able to serve clients to getwhere they need to be and want
to be as pharmacists.
(47:46):
So reach out to us throughsocial media.
We're active on all platformsFacebook, x, twitter or no X,
I'm sorry, x LinkedIn.
You can reach out to mepersonally through LinkedIn.
You can also go onto ourwebsite at
wwwPharmacistsPreceptorcom andyou can also subscribe.
(48:08):
We provide exclusive offers andwe provide updates as to what
we're working on.
That way you can stay tuned andupdated with our progress.
But with regards to supportingus and what we're doing, yes,
connect with us, connect withTamar, connect with me, speak
(48:29):
with us, engage with us.
There are ways to engage and tocollaborate, and through
community we're able to achieveso much more as opposed to
working independently.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (48:40):
Well, rod, it's been a pleasure, so thank
you again for taking the timetoday to speak with us and share
about the power of integration.
Dr. Rod Bastani (48:50):
Thank you so much, Tamar, for having me.
This has been a wonderfulexperience.
Dr. Tamar Lawful (48:55):
Next week.
Our upcoming episode is allabout personalizing diabetes
control so that you canconfidently guide your patients
in achieving their health goals,while eliminating the getheter
or the one-size-fits-allapproach.
It's an episode you won't wantto miss and until then, always
remember in your journey as ahealthcare professional always
(49:17):
raise the scripts on health,because together we can bring
healthcare to higher levels.
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