Luke Twomey on the End of Leadership As We Know It

Luke Twomey of Contemporary Leadership Advisors drops in to chat about golf coaching, beaches and leadership trends, and puts his New Jersey knowledge to the test in our latest trivia game installment.

Episode Transcript

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from the New Jersey Business
industry Association. I'm Vin To tell your host.
Joined as always by my c host Randy
Stevens, and Casey Sc. Here with us today
is Luke Tum. Luke say, hi. Let the
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Hello audience.
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With our ice breaker today, Casey. Take it

(00:58):
from here.
Okey if you're choke well,
today's ice break. Of course, we always look
for
you know, news from New Jersey and it's
kind of a hot button issue where I
live here in Walnut County, And it's about
a little town called Ocean Grove. I don't
know if everyone's familiar with Ocean Grove. It's
Ocean Grove is a camp meeting Association, it's
a methodist group that established a Christian seaside

(01:21):
side, retreat in the Jersey Shore in 18
69.
And has closed its beaches on Sunday morning
for about a hundred and 55 years.
So now,
they... You know, there's there's all these
these these complaints that the the beach should
be open for everybody, so the department of
environmental protection. As accused the group of violating

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state beach access laws.
So,
because they are a methodist community, they wanna
keep the beach closed on Sundays,
however, they will temporarily keep it open while
they fight this, because they still wanna keep
the beach is closed.
So,
That is our is anyone else or on
our panel

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familiar with Ocean Grove?
I'm not. There somewhere here into this. So.
I actually said on many episodes this show
that I just don't do the beach, so
I adam.
So Ocean Grove is if you... You... You
know, towards the Google,
Ocean Grove is a really unique spot. There
are they're a tent community.

(02:24):
And these beautiful tents
are decorated every year. People move into these
tents for the entire season, they're not like,
you know, camping out, you know, you just
go, like, a road trip camping. They are
beautiful tents that the frame is there all
year ramp, and then they come in they
They put them together. They're absolutely gorgeous. And
so the entire community
is a methodist community. So when I was

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little, they used to close the gates. So
you couldn't even drive in the community on
Sundays. They still have gates for the foot
bridges,
but,
yeah you know it or not. What do
you think about the beach access laws.
Do you think a community, you
should have the right, I guess, to close
its beaches for religious purposes,

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on Sunday mornings or should be
accessible to everybody.
Ac coming in with a heavy ice fragrances
Yeah. I was here miss saying. So it's
okay Church question. How far I should go
from you down as.
The semi log... Oh, so it's not Okay.
And then is this the first time that
they ever have to kinda, like, deal with
this sort of this issue? Yeah. I mean,
this is where it started to kind of
calm down, you know, a lot of a

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lot of people are...
They had a peer that they just built
that's
that there was some controversy over, but
this is the first time that they've well,
it's been a hundred and 55 years. They've
had their closed on Sunday mornings. So
it's
Ocean grove is a fabulous, fabulous community. It's
beautiful. It's so beautiful.

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But
people feel like they should... And does not
have to be...
You know, just this community, just the idea
of any community
being able to, like, close the beach for,
any part
of the season.
Look that's all you not in your head,
or you can familiar with opus Grove?
Yeah. Actually, at last time, we went down

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to the beach, we stayed Ocean ocean Grove.
And then we we walked over to
As for the dinner.
And we did go through that 10 community
and observed all that. And then when we
woke up on Sunday,
we realized the beach was closed. And we
said, oh, how about that?
So, yeah, I'm familiar with it. I didn't
I didn't make any connection to to, you

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know,
decision made. I came around that. You know,
I just assumed that's how it was and
that's how it would be.
So I think it's really interesting that it's
it's coming up for debate now.
I don't know how most of the shores
are treated, like state parks perhaps or
you know. But

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I'm not too familiar with what
what could happen
or what people are asking for.
Was the article?
The article is it... Is kind of everywhere
right now. It is a hop button. And
this 1, this 1 in particular that I
was... Is on the associated press.
But the...
All the, like, global New Jersey papers are

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are showing this right now because it's... It's
a a little bit of a hot button
issue. Mean know, it's terrible huge hop issue,
because there's a lot of beaches around you
have As Park in the ocean grove and
they think Bradley Beach.
And Balm and so forth. So you have
a lot of beach access.
But, you know, I guess it's like, where
you draw the line because you have certain

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in beach clubs that restrict access, but there's
always has to be a beach access to
people. There always has to be some kind
of beach access.
For... And ends free. So I don't know
what the,
how far away it has to be, but
there are, like, past to get onto the
free beach because there has to be beach
access for people at some point, You know,

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because you at. Remind me wants people are
complaining about this now? Because didn't you say
it's always... Has it always been the case
that they closed
dude? Yes. So why why now? Is it
a hot button issue? What's going on with
it now? The I don't know. People just
drew the line. They were like, that's it.
I've had enough.
Are at a all time high. I think
we know that and and, like, all areas
are culture.

(06:22):
Yeah. I mean, it is it is,
the state department of environmental protection has accused
the group of violating the state beach excess
laws. So I don't know if it's,
so much public opinion. I didn't see the
public opinion piece to it, It's just... But
if
Luke Moreno Ocean grove, it is so charming.
It's so pretty it's almost like you can

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feel like you're a movie set.
Yeah. For sure. And... But I also would
say, I feel like their beach
section is not very long. You could probably
walk it.
So
you know, if if
that section closed, you could walk, you know,
half a mile either direction direction it'd probably
be okay. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely could. But,

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for
for anybody who's not Been to grow up
I highly recommend visiting it because it is...
It is just, like you're walking back in
time. It's really kind of, you know, caught
back in time. It's very, very pretty. There...
Did you get to go to the ice
cream shop there?
Days.
I think I did. I think I
did.
And you know, I think 1 of the

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the appeals to us was it's not as
bustling.
As, you know, some of the other Jersey
shores.
And so, you know, I think because of
those things that you talked about it may
not be as much of a destination or
as busy.
Right. So... Yes. So there are parts of
the people say, like, you you should preserve
it. Because it's so historical,

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then another people is, like, it shouldn't have
access to the beach no matter what.
So, I don't know. Maybe I'm not coming
down on 1 side of the. I don't
know if about this. Right.
Then then it's like, I, I'll put them
a the do list, but work... We won't
do it for a sunday Worry. That's for
ship.
You know, it just seems so like, why
why fight this? Because, like...

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Like you said, it's such a small little
area land like,
you really wanna go to the beach, just
walk half a mile that way. I I
don't know. I I Just yeah.
Speak I
I'll start already with everything that's been on
social media and everything this weekend, I'll post.
Well, that next will do a lighter 1
is is Cookie monster, a mop or a

(08:27):
z puppet. That y'all prepared to talk about
that. Her last ice
was like, Britney Spears cons ship has ended.
Talk amongst yourselves.
Now she's like, do you feel like this
religion should be allowed to do this scale
So with that out of the way,
we're gonna talk about a Blue Here. Randy,

(08:50):
pick it up, pick up from here. We'll
do. We'll do Look glad you're here, sir.
I, I had the privilege. Tell our audience
right to to to take golf lessons from
Luke a couple weeks ago. So
the the fact that he's on own the
podcast today is just just a follow up.
So we just got a couple get to
know you questions.
The first 1 is. Right? You can't come
on plan in New Jersey.

(09:10):
Without the only thing letting us know where
your continental
loyalty lie. You know, are you a Jersey
native, you know, family history if you guys
relocated here, like, know, tell us to tell
tell us if could you you've you get
a dirty got your whole life.
Yeah. Now I'm by hopeful life. But, the
first in the first 10 years, I was...
You is in West Virginia... West Virginia. And

(09:32):
then we moved up to New Jersey, and
I've been New Jersey since
until next month when I'm I'm leaving the
state.
Listen, that was my that was my next
of my next questions is I understand just
right from Being. And and the golf carts
right around you're in the middle of relocating,
you got a a daughter going off the
college if I remember correctly, Vin and I

(09:52):
are like, on the off it in the
spectrum of where you and Kc with the
younger adults, you know, children.
So how how's that going, man? Are you
guys ready? How's that going for you guys?
What's
It gets. It's it's a while time. There's
still so many many changes that are happening
all at the same time with
my daughter going to college, my other daughter

(10:14):
go firing into high school.
My wife that is selling her business.
And you're selling a house and buying a
house, it's just a lot happening
all at the same time.
Then then at this moment is what you
would have to put in the sound effects
of applause because with all that going on,
he still took an hour an hour and
a half of his day.

(10:35):
That's... So so so we greatly appreciate it,
sir. Thank you so much. 1 1 more
getting to know you question That's okay.
Casey and and and and, then both are,
like, Movie bust. Sometimes they start talking about
movies and actors and actresses that have no
idea who they're talking about. So aside from
golf coaching, are there any hobbies or other
interests that sometimes the General Public does not
know about Luke.

(10:58):
I think Gulf coast is pretty high on
my list.
Though you were my first coach city.
I I never
no. No, I like I like being outside.
A like being out in nature, whether that's
camping, hiking, golfing,

(11:19):
just being out and enjoying
what nature has to offer? That's that's where
I spend my time.
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Then then that then that's
what I got then. I think we got
them off to a bit start. What Alright.
Casey, You're up with questions about Luke's professional
journey.
Yeah. So,
Luke, you know, we did get to chi
chat a little bit, but, just kind of

(11:40):
reading up about your,
how
you know, you formed contemporary leadership advisors,
just kinda what brought you,
you know, I didn't read about your about
page, but I'd love to hear a little
bit of the journey of how you got
to this.
Yeah. So I joined Cla back in 2016.
I I just realized that as I'm going

(12:01):
through these this housing.
Decisions
reflected on that. And
so it seems like it's been a lot
shorter than it than it actually has. It's
been You know, I guess, almost almost a
decade now, well, maybe not quite.
I used to be a very linear thing,
and then we hit the pandemic and then
it got weird. Like

(12:22):
check, I think of, like, 20 20 to
20 23 or so as, like, a month.
Yeah. So it's totally great.
Right. And that's that's similar to I feel
about my life cycle at Cla,
which...
You know, is there's the prep pandemic Cli
and then there's kinda, like, the post pandemic
Cla.

(12:44):
And in the beginning, there's just 3 partners
were trying to get it off the ground,
trying to get it established. And then post
the pandemic. There's been a bit of a
shift in our approach. And things have been
taking off Ever since. So, you know, it's
really been going well in terms of the
business growth.
Casey. Let me let me better answer your

(13:05):
question if if if I missed it there.
No. I mean, it's it's it's perfect. And
you... And you brought up your partners of
which...
When is it Steven Dan just came out
with a new book?
Your Yeah. Steve Garcia and Dan Fisher just
came out looking at that. Randy got his
Randy got it. Yeah Yeah. He's got all

(13:26):
his his notes in it as well. I
think. Right? You got all this the sticky
notes. I Know. I'm not to delve into
it just yet, but it is on the
summer reading list for sure. It is on
the summer reading list.
The language. Yeah.
That that was... Yeah. The the book was
a big deal.
That that came out last year at the

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end of leadership.
And it it it presents our position and
our perspective,
in in the work that we're doing,
which is super interesting. Like, you have some
things in your solutions like, peer learning circles,
which sounds super interesting.
I love if you could talk about that

(14:08):
a alone. I mean it seems... It seems
like something we did in school kind of
growing up,
the things that we've always done, like, when
we... When we're chatting, we get to a
circle and we're all kind of evenly distributed,
but it sounds
it sounds unique still. Even though it sounds
like it's been with us a while.
Yeah. I... With with the pandemic and all
the return to work.

(14:29):
Conversations. There been challenges around, like, how do
you
interact with people? How do you find people
and and that connection
I think people are trying to red rediscovered
it. And we've found that peer learning circles
are great way for people, to learn and
connect and talk,
and it's really effective

(14:49):
no matter what your initiative
initiative is,
you know, we do it with a lot
of leadership development programs,
having peer learning circles, but we also use
it in other applications as well.
A lot of our work includes peer learning
circles.
Who's dark? Oh, she. No. No. Exactly. Then
I was gonna ask the same thing Like,
what does that mean?

(15:09):
Does that work?
So so, basically, you know, it we we
group people in in with their peers. Right?
So hence, you know, peer.
And then there's a facilitator who will take
you through to whether it's a 6 month,
8 month 12 month journey where you're connecting

(15:29):
with the same group of people
and talking about, you know, what you're experiencing,
how you're accomplishing
solutions,
oftentimes is topic based
and
and really goal oriented in terms of what
this group is trying to achieve, over the
course of the 12 month or 6 month
curriculum.

(15:50):
So people come to you learn how to
be better leaders? Is it individuals or, you
know, is it more like a company will
come to you and say, like, I've got
this group of people I want to be
better at, you know, at what they do?
Yeah. A lot times the work that we
do is... So, you know, traditionally, we do
assessment and development work, which is, like,

(16:10):
leadership sec assessment and
executive coaching type stuff. But then we also
do team workshops and,
we we help companies
create and develop their their their leadership development
programs.
So, you know, if you're an organization, you
say, wanna be able to scale up my
leaders for, you know, what's coming

(16:31):
coming down in the future, you know, we'll
help you stand that up and set that
up. But then we also help them, you
know, more recently,
something that's been big as D,
and, you know, we're helping them execute on
their D initiative tips.
So like, basically,
if you think about where leadership or people

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tips affect your organization,
that's where we we help out.
So I couldn't help but notice that the
title of Randy new favorite book
the end of leadership, or what was it
as we know it? Or was that?
So tell me a little bit about your
philosophy or at least the company's philosophy on
leadership in house. Changed.

(17:14):
I mean, I don't wanna spoil the whole
book here. Like draw where you go? Yeah.
Yeah. Really test my chops here. Now,
well, so I think, you know, 1 of
1 of the key things
is that
traditional
organizations have been, you know, top down,
slow, bureaucratic,

(17:34):
you know, just sit, like,
organizations,
and
it's all been about efficiency
and doing things
under the right process.
And more recently
in today's environment,
organizations have to move more quickly.
And so that traditional model
of, you know, top down leadership is not

(17:56):
the same as
what what we're seeing today.
Organizations need to be adaptive
and, you know, have different ways of managing,
you know, smaller groups,
you know, making decisions
as much information,
and how do you navigate that is a
lot different
than the traditional model where it's slow and,

(18:18):
you know, measured,
that decisions.
Ben can I ask a question too? My
he's easy. So so so a question with
almost a decade of experience with cla Right?
Do... And and and this is not to
shop any other industry. But do you find
certain industries are more challenging in terms of
their leadership and with
adjusting that perspective with, you know, with with
different philosophies of things of that nature. Like,

(18:40):
certain leadership from or or certain industries more
challenging than others and accepting that change or
the adjustments.
Yeah. That's... So though, you know, I think
it's
for my personal opinion, it it's... It's based
on how competitive that industry is. Right? So,
like, probably government and nonprofit. There's not a
lot of competition there, so they can remain

(19:01):
bureaucratic. They don't need to change. Right? Whereas
highly competitive markets where they're trying, you know,
companies are trying to get edge. They are
trying to get a leg up. They need
to be adaptable they needs to be flexible.
Things are coming at them quickly,
and they need to adjust.
Awesome. Wow
interesting.

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Luke, I got 1 more here.
What what are people thinking about? You know,
in this space? Like, what what are the
trends going on in leadership right now?
Yeah. So I think I I may have
said it before, but but... The
the trend that we hear the most about
right now is D and D,
and

(19:43):
organizations are trying to figure out how to
how to deal with that. And so a
lot of times, we'll will come in assist
them with their initiatives to through execution. Or
through planning or how would they wanna deal
with it?
I I don't know how to ask this
question, so I'm just gonna ask, but
what do we mean when we say dealing

(20:04):
with D? Like, how do how do we...
You know what? What I'm trying to get
at? Like, it's, like,
how did... How does the company approach something
like that?
Yeah. So a company could be assessing...
Like, they could start with assessing where they
are? At the time? Like, you know, are
are there practices in place

(20:26):
suitable for what they're trying to accomplish?
And so there's... There's a measurement
piece of this, which is saying, hey, let's
let's measure. Let's interview our people and see...
How we're doing against these initiatives. Are we
doing well? Are we not doing well.
And then after you... You've done that assessment,
you can say, okay. Well, we wanna put

(20:46):
a training in place or our plan in
place or something
that gets my people
to
achieve the objectives we set forth in our,
D initiative.
K.
Luke, we're gonna take the spotlight off you
just for a second here just to get
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Very cool. Alright. So today's New Jersey Trivia

(21:52):
again.
We're gonna...
Hey what what of the 1 the prizes
we have on deck for today? We we
always have a number of fabulous prizes Fabulous.
And today, someone could walk away
with a Wall gift card of 10 dollars.
Before you leave the Jersey, you look that's
up for you before you leave to Jersey.

(22:14):
I'll be. Got me there. I'll leave back.
Alright.
First question, So I'm gonna ask the question.
Write down your answer, I'll give you a
few seconds to lock it in, and then
we'll we'll go over it. So on 11/07/1896.
The first.
The first professional game in this sport was

(22:35):
played in New Jersey.
What was the year again, Ben? 18 96.
Give you a few seconds. I don't know
if we have any a sport nuts out
there.
Either Like to put us here or driving
along at home.
Not a sport not. Alright. Everybody have an
answer locked I thought I knew it would

(22:56):
said professional, that's kind of drove me off
a little bit. Yeah. The first professional game
Of this sport.
11/07/1896
right here in New Jersey. Do you
I know if gonna be Alright. I got
it. Alright. You had... Let's see those answers.
Got it.
Alright, Randy rowe football. Casey's got Bowling and

(23:17):
Luke with the correct answer is basketball.
That's the very first professional basketball game, it
wasn't invented here, but the first professional game.
Was played in Trenton, New Jersey. It was
the Trenton Y
versus the Brooklyn Y.
Wow. And yeah, just so everybody knows we
crushed them we won 15 to 1.

(23:41):
That's right. I'm sure this the rules of
the game have changed over the years because
I read 15 to 1, and I'm like,
What were they doing? This whole must have
been incredible defense. If I still a playing
at peach Baskets or something like that Something
like that.
Alright. But I I don't think the I
don't think the overhead shot was until much

(24:02):
later. They're all, you know.
Under lender
throwing it under their legs and stuff. Sure.
Yeah
Yeah.
Alright. We're moving over to entertainment.
So for our Tv nuts out there, this
core game of thrones cast number was born
and raised in North Jersey.

(24:23):
So I'm not asking about, like, some random
person out in the background. 1 of the
core characters on Game of thrones,
the actor was born and raised in North
Jersey.
And we give the character name Or do
we have to give the... That would be
kind of a giveaway.
But if you can't
spell their name that while. I this isn't

(24:44):
a spelling contest. If I can get who
you're trying to get across.
Alright. Alright. Everybody locked in?
You're looking for the?
Yeah.
If you give me the character because you
can't remember the actor name, I'll go with
it.
Randy the character. Randy looks so confident in
his... Struggling right now. Alright. Thanks well. Alright.

(25:07):
Let's see him.
We got
Randy with a not applicable.
And luke and Casey Tie with the correct
answer of Peter Dink.
Peter Dink was born in the morris town
area. And raised in Med new township. I
I've never heard of Men township, but I'm
sure it's great. This such a important.

(25:29):
Terry Lannister.
There goes my wild though and cha over
for 2.
And was me.
I I think he went to Deb Barton.
I don't know if lot to drop. Oh,
so you knew this. Yeah.
Am that's serious knowledge background knowledge. U.
I got 1 final question here.

(25:50):
New Jersey is known as the garden state?
What is the most lucrative crop we produce?
Win.
In.
Meaning, like, the the biggest crop that makes
the most money here in New Jersey Yeah
Yeah. The garden state as you will.

(26:11):
1. Think.
Feel like I've known no. At some 0,
our corn is delicious.
That's what is case.
Let's see those answers. Everybody locked in?
Well, Yep. Right, Man... Okay. Cool.
Like.

(26:33):
Randy, you were close. Cra... Luke and Casey
answered Cra that is not correct.
But Randy with tomatoes,
tomatoes is actually our second most lucrative.
Our first 1 is blueberry.
We make was like a 79000000
you it was close. It was close. I
went to Ryder University

(26:54):
and ryder was just 1 big cranberry bog.
It was like, you That's that's where we
made all the Cranberry. I don't know. So
that was my first thought, but it was
it turned out to be blueberries.
That's down that's down to going towards, like,
Ac area. I think all the blueberry farms.
Right? Yeah. I couldn't tell you. I.
Yeah. I was almost gonna ride blueberries, but
I was like we do have so many

(27:14):
cranberry boggs.
You just... Jersey has everything.
True Cher. Yeah. Yep.
So that was our game, And it it
actually looks like Luke you won because,
right? Because by way.
You got 2 of them. Right? Yeah. And
you be mad at that. Yes.
They're pretty well. A walk off free lunch

(27:35):
for the roads, sir.
Create city lunch. Minute Only make sure to
use it before you leave.
Every for those
Go down? What is the H hoe down?
Yeah.
I can't remember what that's called. You you
should know that Huawei in no way sponsors
this. We have just chosen it. We love
it. We're
So
I don't feel like, pressured. You to answer

(27:57):
exactly. But if... They have some kind of
annual weekend.
If
down. Yeah. I don't remember is... I don't
think it's called that. I think it's called
something else. But like,
it's like 5 dollar h, like, once a
year. Right? Look at it. You can get
sandwich best. Is that what when he was
sandwich fest? Okay
H fest.
Test is what. Also, they should think about

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H Hoe down because if likes better name.
We should copy that. Well, we'll reach it
out to us for response because our ratings
go through the roof, then we'll we'll we'll
give them change the name.
Alright. Category.
Just temporary leadership advisers. If somebody wants to
take advantage of your services, maybe learn a
little bit of leadership, know how how do
they get a ahold of you, what would

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be the best way to go?
Golf course.
Yeah. Go. Of course. The best way to
get naomi me. Is there 1 specifically that
Luke eggs out on the lot?
It seems like a very big and touched
a lot way about getting district dealership door.
I'll go to you. Wherever you're plan? I'll
go to you.

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It's every there's advisers
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We are regularly having web of ours.
And so if you wanna be connected into
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At c l advisors dot com.
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Alright. Well, that's about all the time we

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have today. I wanna send a reminder that
today's episode is brought to us by N
mj Insurance. Well so thank you to them,
and thank you to Luke Too for coming
along today.
Yeah. Thank you, Luke. I would like to
also, point out. Thank.
You know, for Luke, as well as being
a great adviser, very brave because when we
were on the golf course, Randy thought he

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spotted a wild animal in the trees
and, Luke went in for further investigations to
find out that he was a house cat.
Oh
looks like 1 of those things in the
horn Where they... Like, go and they investigate
the noise, and you're, like, screaming at the
Tv. Don't do it.
It's the Google case.

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Randy a mountain lion. That's right.
There there you go. I I have no
response to that. It's like news source. Randy
for thinking there's an actual lot mount money
Are you for going and looking.
He's a brave.
The brave. I was hiding behind the car.
And they could

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and they went... It was the shadow said,
It was a it was dusk of the
day. Shadowed we're kinda... You know, You had
to do. Larry. You guys have almost found
the Jersey devil.
But have been a really could've have been.
Anyway, until next time. Thank you very much,
and goodbye.
Bye guys. Thanks, Being.

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