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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello and welcome back to the Plant Powered Athlete Podcast. I'm your host Robert Cheek and

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I have another fantastic guest for you today. My guest is, let me get my list here, it's a long one,
my guest is an entrepreneur, a founder, a product formulator, an innovator, an athlete, a podcast
host, a big supporter of mine, a friend of mine, Erin DeMorena, welcome to the show.

(00:27):
Thank you, I love that introduction. And there's many more things, you have many more hats, but I
know a lot of your work is in entrepreneurship and in business and in building products and
plant-based products and all of that, but why don't we start with, let's give us your plant
powered athlete origin story. It's a good one. I was on a triathlon team many moons ago, I was very

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young and my coach Andy didn't tell me he was vegan, this is like 25 years ago, and we were out for
one of our epic long runs and we were talking as we were running probably 10 miles and he asked
me what my biggest complaint was with training and I said I'm often congested, right? Like I feel like

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I have like all this kind of mucousy, I don't know, I said but I only feel it when I'm running
and he goes why don't you give up dairy for three days, I'll meet you for our next run and you can
tell me how you feel. I was like well that's easy, I didn't eat a lot of dairy, we weren't big dairy
people in our house, so for three days I gave up dairy, the next time I meet him on this run

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it was like this light bulb moment of like clarity and I felt so different and I was able to breathe
easier and we were having this conversation, he said you sound better and I said this is crazy,
so then he of course told me that he was vegan and plant-based and explained to me what that was
and I was like ah there's something here, if in three days I feel this different, what else is

(02:07):
going on with the food that I'm eating? So it really just launched me onto this path of finding
more about veganism and what food does to our body and after I graduated from college and going back
back to school to get more education and nutrition and then that launched into the energy bar

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because as a triathlete back then there was no energy bars on the market that didn't have weight
protein in them, they all had weight protein so I was like there's got to be a way for me to have
a supplement or something that I can eat doing a half iron man that doesn't have dairy, so that's

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sort of how I ended up going into the plant-based business as far as the consumer product was because
I had my own need for it and there really wasn't anything on the market for it and back then there
wasn't very many energy bars at all so it was sort of like this change in my life that really

(03:10):
set me off on this path and it was my grandmother's cookie recipe that I took and took out any of the
dairy in it, swapped it for non-dairy things and it worked so that's how that whole energy bar started.
And Aaron did you always have this entrepreneurial spirit? I mean you're an athlete, you gave up dairy,

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you're looking for something for your own fuel and performance, you're not finding what you're
looking for on the market. Was it like a totally foreign concept to you to go in and kind of create
your own product and create your own business or was this something that you already had some sort
of entrepreneurial background, you'd already done other businesses? Tell us how that came to be,

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like what's your background regarding that? Well I've always been a personal trainer, a health
coach so I already was in the fitness business. This just kind of launched me in a little bit of
a different direction but I always kind of ran my own business and I come from a family that is

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entrepreneurial as well. My dad started a business when I was still in high school and did very well
for himself so I've always kind of had that in the back of my head like why can't I do something
that I create? I had my own personal training business at a very young age and that just
lent itself to then cross over into having this plant-based product too. And you've had a lot of

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products so I've actually been to your house when I've been on tour, I've been to your kitchen,
I've tried some of your products. You've had everything from energy bars to popcorn that's
like infused, you know, plant-based benefits to I've got these right here, Good Mood Foods
Bites right here. You've had probably some other products that I'm not even thinking of and

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different brand names and eFit Foods and Tri-Bar and all these different things. Can you walk us
through that evolution of the products maybe kind of in order? Which one and the next one and the
next one? And by the way I can't believe I forgot to say it, I wrote it down. I think the excitement
of having you on the show, I forgot to say it. Happy World Vegan Day! Today is vegan day and I

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meant to say it at the start of the show but I'm going to say it right now. So again well happy
World Vegan Day and thank you for all you do for veganism and for animals and all of that. But Erin
walk us through the evolution of the products and what you're working on now and what's next and all
that. Well the first energy bar which I started in my kitchen when I lived in Los Angeles was

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called eBar because everybody called me E for Erin and then I was always making the bar so it became
eBar and I was literally making that on my stove with I had like a plug-in two burner little hot
pad and I would mix it up, wrap it in plastic wrap, tape out little labels, tape them on. I mean it

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was so I mean it was crazy what I started out as but you know that blossomed over I don't know
a short period of time maybe like a year until then obviously I started not being able to keep
up with the orders because it was growing and growing and growing. So by that time I had come
back to Tampa and I had a lot of friends and clients who love the bars they were buying them

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all the time it was a refrigerated product at the time and they started writing emails to our biggest
grocery store down here which is Publix saying hey we buy these bars can you carry them. So then
Publix came calling and that was in 2004, 20 years ago and so then obviously I had to get a factory I

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couldn't keep up making them in my kitchen so I went I got a factory in California and that's how
that started and that that's when I changed the name of the bar from eBar to 3Bar because
three means so many things. Personally to me the number three at that time in my life was consumed

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by triathlon so that's the swim, the bike, the run but it also means something to me in the
nutrition side right carbs protein and fat. Eating in balance to me is very important and I what's
what I preach right so three means a lot of things. The competitive side of me is obviously I'm always
aiming for a podium seat as a triathlete for first, second, or third so that number meant so many

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things to me so then it did become 3Bar and it was 3Bar for up until just very recently and I
switched it to good mood foods because now I have adaptogens in the product and adaptogens for those
of your listeners who may not know adaptogens is what helps us deal with stress, anxiety, mood,

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it can help with sleep, all these things and you'll start seeing it everywhere in a lot of products
and I personally use use adaptogens all the time I love them ashwagandha, maka, chaga, reishi, I mean
there's so many of them and they really help and it's more of a natural way to help with stress
and as an athlete you're putting your body in a stress situation so it's just a way to help with

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recovery and energy and all the things so I transitioned 3Bar into good mood foods because
I want to focus my next chapter more on what exercise and nutrition can do for not only our
bodies but our mind right and so in our health so I wanted it to be more of a rounded subject right

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not just so focused on what it is it's a it's an energy bar right now it does more things it gives
you energy it does help with mood and stress and anxiety and it's also a load of protein plant
protein so it's and 100 organic so as I have morphed over the years it was more like just getting
sort of the non-dairy products started eBar then it moved to 3Bar and it was just a new and improved

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eBar obviously I took out the soy protein I treated it for a brown rice pea protein now it's
evolved to good mood foods right let's encompass all the things that exercise is good for right
so it's not just getting you through a race it's also getting you through your day or getting you
through your week just to have something that is tastes good but it also is good for you so that's

(09:49):
kind of where I'm at right now launching this new product yeah that's exciting Erin and you have
that that true entrepreneurial story of making things in your kitchen 20 years ago and eventually
getting into this you know big giant retailer and and then you know direct to consumer and creating
fan support and loyal customer support and innovating over the years and looking at at

(10:15):
what other problems you can solve through nutrition and through products and even things
for yourself but also for the community and now this innovation with adaptogens we use adaptogens
as well in our plant-powered protein also all organic so we're on the same page and also based
in Florida I'm here in Colorado but our company is based in in Florida also using ashwagandha

(10:36):
using maca so a lot of similarities in fact we should I should connect you with
uh Nathan Crane if you're not already connected and you're both working in this organic plant-based
whole food superfood adaptogen space like definitely see a collaboration there I have a couple questions
maybe I shouldn't ask too many at a time but uh one I I kind of want to know I mean I've even been

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in your in your kitchen when you're like sampling things when I was on a book tour coming by I want
to know what it's like being a product formulator because so many people aspire to do something
like that and most don't know how to get started myself included to be honest I wouldn't know where
to begin but I also want to know you mentioned the word health a couple times including just a

(11:22):
moment ago so maybe we'll start there we'll start with how do you define health and then maybe go
into what it's like to be a product formula based on that idea of what health is well health to me
is always going to be about the cleanest source of foods you can get and that means to me organic

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because and I could go on a really long path about nutrition and how our country is has a little bit
of struggle with the soil and and that's why obviously I would choose organic um when it comes
to anything that I eat right so I think health to me is again coming back to the three which was in

(12:10):
three bars like it's not just about the exercise component but it's also about the sleep component
it also is about your community components also about your compassionate component and and you
can speak well to this doing with your book being impactful every day like I can certainly do my

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best and eat really healthy and obviously leave animals off my plate that's the really impactful
thing for me but how do I impact outside of outside of my doors right so if I can create a product
like I have that tastes good that is going to help people possibly make a better choice that's a
really a big driving force in my in my goals for what I want to do right going forward it's like

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how can I dispel the myth that healthy foods taste bad even more that vegan foods taste bad because
that's what it people still think that way so health to me is about all the components of
getting quality sleep eating healthy being hydrated exercising having a sense of community doing

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something impactful in your life and and that that is what I kind of that's my north star on it
to be in a product formulator and that's why I have gone through those transitions and this is
actually the first time since I started in my kitchen in 1997 this is the first factory that I

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have worked with that understands the other factories have just been about really pushing
that product out you know trying to push me down for certain protein profile certain certain
ingredients and I always sort of butted heads with them it's like that's not what I want I
understand that the product might be a little bit more expensive but that's not sacrificing

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then my personal beliefs and what my more star is about spreading health and wellness without
it being lacking taste and having not the quality ingredients that I want to feed everybody and that
I want to feed anybody so I think being the formulator that I am is more about just how I

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want the food to taste but also the performance of the food right what are those ingredients
what do they do for you you know is it that are they quality are they organic non-gml all the
things that I think about and preach and you as well right like we're speaking sort of the same
language but I think this is the first time that I've found a factory that is also on the same page

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as me and we may do some collaborations together and they are really all about organic and
they're a smaller factory they're in Atlanta which makes it easy for me to then go and see them
and talk to them and reformulate whereas all the other factories I've had were just just too much

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about the business this factory is about business but they are also about relationships so I feel
like I finally landed after all these years was that 20 let's see 1997 so what is that 28 years
ago almost wow so I finally found the the place I was supposed to be all of these years yeah it's

(15:36):
so interesting and I'm taking lots of notes here because I'm wondering a couple things like one
how the market reacts to the dedication and detail you put into products are our consumers
mostly just looking for taste costs and convenience and just you know mostly I mean Halloween was

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yesterday I mean just so much of stuff is like just flavor or how cheap it is or accessibility
and all of that so I want to kind of gauge your reaction to like what your consumers respond to
something that's organic and more sustainable and more whole food based and more good for the body

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good for the planet but I also I love this aspect of how these intertwine with ethics and business
because that's almost like an oxymoron right it's hard to put ethics and business together
and for everyone listening I mean I'm not a business person myself I work with many businesses
but I'm not one myself but from what I can tell is that it's very much profit motivated

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profit motivated sales motivated growth more motivated scale motivated
with cutting corners in the areas of ethics that's something you don't do you've talked
to me about that in the past I've heard about some of the manufacturing warehouse and such
that you worked with where you're looking for this certain standard of quality

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and all that so can you talk a little bit about that about the consumer reaction to a better for
you product and also if you're willing to dive a little bit deeper into what that relationship
is like with ethics and business and how do you walk that tight rope that's a loaded that's a
loaded question we've got we've got time we've got well I mean there's a there's certainly

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I'm definitely probably like you are business side is not probably my biggest strength right I
am more on the creative side more on the relationship side I'm more on I probably
definitely could use some business help with my own business but I think the consumer is changing

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and I've noticed that with this most recent product launch which it's really only been
it like a few weeks and consumers are not pushing away as much as I've thought at the price tag
our local lightning hockey team here in Tampa Bay the arena my bites are there and that was a big

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feather in my cap to get it into the arena and they I put it in there let's see about a month
ago they just tripled their order and I didn't know idea that they were charging like $10 a bag
for this and the consumers are just buying it they're seeing that it's organic the adaptogen so
that was a really good sign like to see okay like this isn't a more mainstream market like

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it's not like a gym right it's an arena where people come to watch hockey and concerts and
probably some other venues come through there probably not a lot of healthy vegan conferences
right like you're talking sporting events and it's a huge thing so that was a really good sign that
people aren't pushing back as much as I thought they might be at the price tag because they're

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seeing the benefits and that goes to the people I work with on a daily basis as their coach and
trainer I see them you know saying yes I eat everything I'm eating is organic so I feel like
it's changing a little bit because I think the education is starting to really you know kind of
leak through into just normal everyday discussions about nutrition I mean let craft macaroni and

(19:38):
cheese just put out a plant-based mac and cheese what does that say to the consumer right that's
not you or I putting out that product that is a major company putting out something that is vegan
so I feel and now they have cheese slices I just saw so I feel like that we're in a really good
space right now because I think more and more people are being a little bit uh a little bit

(20:03):
poked at like hey you should pay attention to what's on your plate because what you think is
healthy is not and and you probably know this as well from your background it's the food that's on
our plate and that we get in restaurants we buy in the grocery store is many of the ingredients
that are in them are banned in other countries why are we allowing this in our own foods to our

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families and then we're complaining about disease and sickness and cancers and all this stuff but
we're not paying attention to where that starts from you know we're not paying attention to
where that starts from and I want to be part of that solution right so I think consumers are
starting to get more educated I mean Starbucks just said that they are not charging anymore for

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oat coconut soy or almond milk starting November 7th next Friday another big company pushing
forward and doing something to dipping their toe into the plant-based space in a really positive
way now if they could only get rid of all the plastic cups but that's another another thing

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but I think as a whole like things times are changing and I'm also a vegan hospitality
consultant so I I'm working with restaurants to become certified as a more sustainable hotel I'm
working for restaurant and hotels and helping them get more plant-based options on the menu or be
able to label their menu better so consumers can see that there's an option so like this is a really

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good time for all of these changes so I really believe that it's a perfect time for my new product
and it's a perfect time for the consumers to really say hey I'll pay the extra a little bit
and knowing it's it tastes good for something that's healthy hey it's Nathan Crane founder of

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yeah there's something yeah there's something called the true cost of food right or the real
cost of food really you could say the true cost of anything the true cost of exercising or not
of exercise and the true cost of purchasing this that or whatever it is but especially in food
because it's such a intimate thing something that we do we sit down to eat about six times a day

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on average the adult the average adult american consumes 3540 calories per day these days which is
it's pretty high pretty excessive so what we put that is high yeah yeah those are real numbers
those are united nations or whatever governing body that's the real numbers over 3500 calories
per day for the average adult american is there any wonder why 73.6 percent of americans are

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overweight 42.5 percent are obese that's not the body shame anyone let's say look at the numbers
the number is 35 calories a day consuming and we're not expending very many at all so we have this
calorie surplus every single day of course it's a no-brainer we're going to gain weight that's the
way math works it's a completely mathematical problem but then when you look at the nature

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of the food it's 55 percent of our calories come from processed junk food 30 from animal protein
only 15 from all plant material combined again that's the average american no wonder one and
two people go to that tampa bay lightning arena 20 000 people in the hockey arena every other person
one and two is going to have heart disease diabetes cancer you know hypertension either now or in the

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future and so that's it's very problematic i wrote down a few more things why is this the problem
erin i i think follow the money is a big part of it whether it's government subsidies or whether it's
pharmaceutical companies or big ag you know agriculture industry and all of them working
together and so you know there's a reason why we like really cheap salty sugary fatty fried foods

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and then and that's what's being promoted and marketed to us as well so that's hard to overcome
because of the money train there also yeah you reminded me your focus on health and wellness and
putting that above profits as a business owner it reminded me of a quote i got from my my previous

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podcast guest who's a a doctor he said and this may not be his original quote it might be something
that's a little more popular or common but i'd love to hear your thoughts on this he said if you
lose your health you only have one goal to regain your health and that's what i'm hearing from you
from like the true cost of food yeah you may pay a few dollars more for something that's organic or

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that has adaptogens or something that's whole food based or free of all these extra sugars salts and
added fats and added artificial ingredients where so many people focus on the cheap costs now that
cheap burger right now the cheap pizza right now because it fits in my budget but what about the
cost down the road do you have any stories uh you're a coach you're a trainer sorry i missed

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those things in your in your bio uh also a consultant along with all the other things
from podcast host to athlete formulator entrepreneur and everything else have you come across that
people who've lost their health and that's all they want back they just wish that they could change
their lifestyle to reclaim it what are your thoughts on that i mean you you hit the nail on

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the head it is follow the money train and most people are thinking of the just the now right
they're not thinking of okay so then 20 years from now however old i will be if i keep leading down
this lifestyle what what will happen so when people get that a lot of times get that wakeup
call a lot of times it is too late but in a lot of cases you know like i guess it's never too late

(26:48):
to to start right to start exercising to start eating healthy to make positive changes in your
life if you ever watched you know forks over knives or any of those those movies we've seen some
remarkable stories of people um i have worked with a couple of pretty amazing clients that have made
some huge changes in their life i have one that i've been working with for 12 years and she's

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almost i would say she's about she's close to 90 pounds down but that's you know we've been working
together for a long time but her big light bulb moment was the dairy when i finally got her off
the dairy but you're right i think a lot of people are more just reactive right like oh my gosh i
just got this death wish from the doctor and now what do i do right so if they could have been

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doing something all along then they probably wouldn't have had that but i think it's very
eye-opening um when people get that little scare and then they make some changes and if that's what
it takes that's great and that's where our health care system and i could go really down this path
right like our health care system is just not preventative right everything is put a band-aid

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on it what drug can i give you to fix your heart disease or your cholesterol or what's going on in
your body instead of well let's figure out what's going on in your body so that we can fix it that
way like how to where do we start and i think hopefully that will as we're getting healthier
and more educated how plants help us right if we could hopefully then that that could in turn help

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with on the preventative side but a lot of times like how are doctors being able to even treat that
they're getting 15 minutes with a patient so there's not a lot of time for a doctor to even
who don't have who don't have historically have a ton of back-carrying nutrition when we know this
for a fact most doctors have like four hours or less of any nutrition in their residency and that's

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really sad because a lot of these issues could be fixed if the doctor was able to explain to them
hey maybe you should try exercising eating a little less red meat you know just making some
changes in your life so i think um i think it's hopefully on the upswing right like i'm hoping
that now there's just more awareness and in what you and and how we are treating our bodies and i

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think i think it is i think that's the direction but what do you think i mean are you do you feel
like that that the changes are happening or do you still feel like it's such an uphill battle
well before i answer that erin uh you may have caught me smiling you you said something you you

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may not have even realized you were talking and i i couldn't help but smile because of just
the imagery of what you were describing you were talking about a doctor has just 15 minutes with
their and you you meant to say patient but you said client at first and you correct yourself as a
patient but client is a paid a paid person like if they were just a patient and they were the goal

(30:11):
was just wellness then just get people healthy i think that's different uh because as you as you
know i mentioned in forks over knives there's no money in healthy people the money's in in sick
people unfortunately that's where it is and so you're right that a patient really is kind of a
client they're a pain client they've got to keep coming back because they're not changing their

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underlying behavior that's causing the illness or disease or the perpetuation of said illness or
disease and then it becomes more drugs more prescriptions more even just stay at home and
take these pills rather than get outside and get fresh air and exercise and and get out in nature

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and hydrate more and and improve your mood by being out and doing all this movement and all
these things so i just thought it was a very small nuanced thing where you where you accidentally
said clients had a patient but it was that's very foreshadowing and very telling of the real system
we have here in america which is basically a sick care system it's not based on prevention it's not

(31:15):
based on understanding a deep understanding of nutritional knowledge and you asked me that
question so i'll i'll just chime in there that it really does appear to be a sick care system for
example you mentioned the word prevention how often is it and i think there's actually numbers
here there's some stats we could look up and maybe you know some how often is it that we wait until

(31:41):
there's some sort of catastrophic event or acute as you said acute scare before we decide to change
behavior you know i mean rich roll has that story many people have that story of of they waited i
mean many people who fall into this forks over knives community are are those individuals who
something dramatic happened to their health something very scary something catastrophic

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something acute that scared them and changed their life forever and then that's when they decided to
lose the 50 pounds or the 100 pounds or get off all the medications through changing of their action
so so that those are those are my those are my thoughts on it that we do have a broken system
but we also just in this country alone 335 million people it's it's hard to uh get everybody on the

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same page especially if you really break it down based on culture we have about eight different
countries within the united states people who live in the southeast are completely different than the
northwest and the northeast completely different than the deep south the southwest is totally
different from the midwest and the flyover states based on everything from from the the types of

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foods that are available there uh religion uh attitudes towards all types of different things
from climate to everything else we really have i saw an article about this i don't know if it was
in the atlantic or where it was but there's really like eight different countries within the u.s as
far as the mentality the behavior the culture the habits the beliefs of the individuals i mean just

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imagine how different you are i mean i i'm going to alabama tomorrow how different someone maybe in
rural alabama is from someone in seattle or someone uh from iowa or let's say another state near me in
nebraska compared to someone in hollywood california or someone in florida versus minnesota
there's just a different way of life and value system so getting one kind of universal nutrition

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approach to for such a diverse community of 340 or so million people is is difficult including
in the public school system including in hospitals including dietary guidelines where you eat
completely differently in a metropolitan city compared to a rural community and depending on
what crops grow there totally different i live right next to wyoming a very unique state one

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of the least densely populated places on earth actually based on population density per square
mile that's completely different than than someone in miami or new york city and and their food
choices and what's even available to them but enough about my rant i'm uh i'm interviewing you
here uh erin so um let's you were just talking about a client success story so let's let's

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continue there for a moment what's the best part of your job and why and i realize you have like
six different jobs so you choose which one uh entrepreneurs tend to wear many hats so
but what's the best part of your professional work and why
well that's a that's a maybe an answer that might be like a two-part so on most days that i'm seeing

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and talking to my health coaching clients or seeing my clients for personal training
those are days that i'm getting that immediate you know getting that immediate feedback from them it
was a great workout thank you for those directions and alternative food choices thank you for sending
me the pictures of all the plant-based foods my grocery i had never known that existed hey i tried

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that dish last night i went to that restaurant last night and tried that thing you told me about so
there's this always this immediate energy i get from most of the clients i work with on a daily
basis so it's it's i live off of that energy it's amazing right like it puts me it gives me a
definite high because everybody's taking a little step in the right direction or at least that's

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what they're telling me right and then on the other side on the on the um with my product it's the
the time that i get to see somebody eat it for the first time which maybe you'll have a bite while
we're here and see what their reaction is right and they're always like oh my gosh it's so healthy
but yet it tastes so good right so that's that's obviously the bigger the bigger um feeling i get

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like of being so proud that i did that and if this is where i am then that's okay because how
many people on this earth created something on their stove in their little studio apartment
and now sits on store shelves in the arena where the lightning's like like if that's where my story
ends i'm okay with it like i did that and i feel very honored and proud of myself for doing that

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and i and i get that feedback all the time i mean putting my own story on the internet
all the time i mean putting my product in the arena brought so much joy to me just being there
delivering it you know we took a bunch of pictures and my daughter was with me and it was very
emotional because like okay i did i made that like that was on my stove it's now on the arena so

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i get those really high moments a lot on it with working with clients on a daily basis and then
moments like that where i get into a new store i've stopped the store and i walk back in
three days later and they're completely sold out so i get a lot of really good positive
emotions with what i do on a daily basis probably like you do too talking to like-minded people or

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people you've made a difference and i think that's it making a difference in someone's day making a
difference in someone's life possibly right maybe they leave me making a better choice
which then makes them hopefully the ripple effect and maybe they make a better choice
and they motivate somebody else right and then that keeps going like that brings me a lot of joy

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yeah well you certainly light up Aaron when you talk about that which means that's sincere
and authentic and that's you being true to yourself and i just opened the bag i am going
to try one here on camera but before that let me just take a smell mmm smell good before i try these

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i want to ask you another question what would you be doing if you weren't doing this
i don't know i don't think i was meant to do anything else um i mean i dabbled in medical sales
for a few years and again i was like always the one probably sales rep that was creating the

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office helping things to eat and you know so it was like it was always apparent and um that true
entrepreneurial spirit i have is probably something that because when you're a sales rep you are sort
of doing the work is very independent you know you're not sitting in a desk and you're not

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really answering to a lot of people you're still out there with the community and out there with
working with doctors which is funny that i got to work with so many doctors and have these nutritional
arguments with them a lot of times but um i don't know if i what am i doing i don't think i wouldn't
i don't think i was meant for anything else i really don't i feel like this is what i was meant

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to do in some way or fashion yeah this plant-based life is like much like you right it's our it's in
our dna well what i gathered from that erin is that your purpose is making a difference in someone's

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life someone else's life like that's how you summarize the highs the best parts of your job
the best part of what you do through whatever it is the client success stories that fuels your passion
it's the best part of your day is making a difference in someone else's life and
i think that's a great answer to that question that you you would still be doing this you this is

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this is what you would be working toward in some other capacity you'd still be trying to make a
difference in someone's life so i think that's i think that's a great answer so why don't we
why don't we pause for a minute and uh and have me try these so again i'm going to put these up
close to the camera i just i just opened it i just took the top off let's make sure i don't spill

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them here so these are good mood foods uh cocoa crunch power bites uh can you uh tell us more
about it right before i i dive in so those are dark chocolate peanut butter that was the original
flavor i started with again 100 organic wheat free dairy free gluten free soy free gml free and then

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loaded with organic adaptogens like i think ashwagandha and maca are the two that are in there
which maca is great for energy and ashwagandha is kind of a good overall adaptogen both organic
and 20 grams of plant-powered protein in there and um again the dark chocolate and peanut butter is
a really good combination and i do have other flavors coming out but we wanted to start with

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the original flavor so go ahead take a bite and i want to read i want to read the back quickly
because this is a word we just used i didn't know it was on there but this is a word that i just
defined you as and it happens to be on your package here it says embark on a journey with snacks that
empower fueling potential and purpose our plant-based bites are crafted for those who dare to

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thrive i just defined you as someone who whose purpose is to make a difference in the lives of
others and you you and you have purpose on the back of your packaging i just think that's that's
really apropos so uh i wanted to mention that so okay let's uh let's go right into it are you ready
i'm ready go this is again the dark chocolate and peanut butter i could smell the peanut

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butter when i opened it it smells great good i know you're gonna love it and again it's um
um that's really good yeah it reminds me of the chocolate peanut butter or chocolate chip peanut
butter laura bars oh yeah which is one of the best-selling bars in america for those who don't know

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that's yeah she's got some great products that's my that's my initial reaction is like oh
it reminds me of like one of the best-selling bars in america which is a compliment to the product i
think so let's hope so right yeah yeah i mean that's one of the bars i buy the most is that
chocolate chip peanut butter laura bar when i travel around the country i grab them at

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whatever store that i'm at yeah these are really good and it tastes really fresh too yeah sorry
i'm talking with my mouth full i'm gonna have another one that's okay i'm excited that you're
trying it while we're on our podcast yeah no it tastes and it tastes really fresh
right out of the right out of the package and actually i have a new bag that's coming out

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um next week and it'll say on the top like um uh focus because of the adaptogens energy obviously
the protein um uh protein energy and focus so those three words are mean a lot to me again
with the three yeah yeah no that's really good and i also um and this is this is a positive feedback

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it they almost taste like moist rather than dry or crumbly like it's not crumbling at all
everyone look it's it tastes moist like it's fresh like it's it's not dry some some snacks
some some snacks some bars some foods i won't mention names but some even popular plant-based

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protein bars are just so dry it takes like minutes to eat through them they're just so dry
yeah i've never tried these before you just sent these to me in the mail i got them
i was in california last week i came back and they were here they're waiting for me i i'd been
traveling for two and a half weeks so i don't even know when you sent them but they're waiting for me

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so they've been sitting here for at least a week or two um and they they taste super fresh look
at that chocolate in the middle there you're making me hungry yeah it's it's uh and see now
my sweaty hands from being i you know sweat a lot in the podcast i'm melting the chocolate right
on my finger it's a good thing yeah when you're having something that is a treat or you know what

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my whole goal is to make products that are very healthy but they taste really good right like what
like how do you make that happen yeah that's my goal that's one of my goals and these are and it
says right on the front you already said it too but 20 grams of protein or 20 grams of plant-powered
protein per pouch uh which is great and it's free from genetically modified organisms it's gmo free

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it's wheat free it's gluten free soy free dairy free and uh yeah a whole bunch of organic uh and
fair trade ingredients so yeah these are really good uh i'm gonna save some so my wife can try
them she loves of sweets and treats and things like that and it's i mean it's it's a purpose

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it's a product for like you know protein and energy and um you know combined with all these
you know combating stress and fighting adrenal fatigue and all that kind of stuff but it's also
like a treat right it's like a peanut butter snack so so i'll share that with my wife i think she's
gonna really enjoy those so yeah thank you erin it was nice to see those in the mail and i i had

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them on my desk knowing we'd have our conversation i did not know i'd be opening them and eating them
but um i'm glad that i did and hopefully i don't have uh any chocolate left in my face so um let's
let's keep talking about food for a moment um obviously you've got a podcast and all that and
we're going to talk about that a bit later on but what's the you've been plant-based for a very long

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time what's the foundation of your diet and how does that perhaps reflect your motivation for
you know creating the foods that you do like what's a day in the life kind of thing for for erin
i get this question a lot um i'm a big i i really like intermittent fasting it works with my lifestyle
very well because i am super busy in the morning so i generally have water i try to get sunlight

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with my dog in the morning you know help um like a circadian rhythm and just get some outdoor air
and then not i would say maybe an hour or two after i wake up i always have um some green tea
some doctor i think it's dr wheel i think he imports it matcha it's delicious it's that one

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kind of green tea i feel like that puts me in a really good mood and then um when i break my fast
every day i break it with some form of greens i use a couple different kinds of greens um and
then i always have a big big salad and it usually consists of gosh 20 plus ingredients i am a big

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component of spinach arugula kale swiss chard i try to always vary that i always have some sprouts
micro greens i'm always squeezing lemon on those it helps you absorb obviously iron when you squeeze
lemon on your greens and then i just play around with whatever uh vegetables i have always beats

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always beats are on my salad different colored peppers mushrooms carrots and then from there
again i'm a big proponent of diversity right like let's feed that gut microbiome which is
you're eating for two if you've ever listened to simon hill who talks a lot about that
um so feeding your gut microbiome with diversity in plants is a big part of what i do on a weekly

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basis so i'm always trying different herbs spices different uh ingredients a lot of times i will add
a different bean chickpeas i'm always adding avocado i'm a big believer in hemp hearts and
uh chia seeds sprinkling it on there some kind of nut a lot of times walnuts because they're so

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high in omega-3s sometimes i'll stir fry some tofu and add it to it and um trying to think what else
always usually carrots but again i'll go to the grocery store i'll pick up something that i haven't
tried before or a different vegetable i haven't had in a while a different lettuce i'm always
really diversifying that salad the one thing that remains consistent in that that's kind of my

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that's kind of my biggest meal of the day is the dressing i don't buy store-bought dressings um
they're loaded with so many ingredients some of them hard to pronounce i just don't think having
that in my body is what would work so i use an organic squeezable tahini and i've posted the
recipe before because it's so simple you don't even have to make it in a separate container

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just squeezable tahini which is brown sesame seeds so you're then getting more protein and nutrients
from just that then i do a little bit of vinegar you can be like a white osomic vinegar or whatever
you like and then just a splash of organic maple syrup and that's it and it's like i i can't wait
to eat that every day i probably annoy people because they're like oh you and the salad but

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it tastes so good and i just feel so good from it i feel full i feel like it was like it tasted so
good i didn't feel like i was eating something so healthy that it wasn't you know flavorful and it's got
over 30 grams of protein so it's like i don't know it's the one meal that i always am really focused on

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so that's kind of like my breaking my fast meal in the middle of the day and then usually after
that there's always one or two sometimes three oat milk lattes i love an oat milk latte so that's
that's like my splurge every day but it gets me through the rest of the day because usually my

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mornings are packed and then i have a moment to have a lunch and then the rest of my day is is
busy as well so i always have that little afternoon latte and then usually for a snack it's usually
fruit nuts or i'll do a protein shake with some frozen fruit brazil nuts i try to have a couple
brazil nuts every day for selenium and and whatever fruit i have around bananas blueberries

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strawberries raspberries and then for dinner um a bunch of you know that's always always different
lately i've had some uh really good we have a local sourdough baker here that mills their own
flour so i've been having like a slice of that with um some just egg and vegan bacon and some

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vegan cheese just because it's easy and a lot of times because i have a husband and a daughter that
i fix dinners too they don't eat the way i do so i'm sometimes fix them something different so then
that's easy for me to fix but my main thing is that salad every day i feel like i get so many

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nutrients from that that like that sets me sets me in a good good place for the rest of the day well
that's a uh that's a mouthful um all those different approaches and what i'm getting from that is
going back to our our theme earlier is purpose you seem to have this attention to detail that

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these are purpose driven meals purpose driven foods you listed i mean you were talking about
herbs and spices and super foods and all these different things as well as things like like just
egg which make just makes it so much more sustainable and attainable to mix in lots of
different things not just salads not just fruits not just nuts but like this whole diversity of

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palette where you can have the plant-based bacon the plant-based egg and all the stuff that many
of us who grew up eating those foods might might crave but also just keeps things really really
interesting while still the foundation of your diet is purpose-driven plant-based whole foods
so aaron i'd like to uh i'd like to play a game here um i just came up with it so this is a game

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just for you i've i literally just thought of this about three minutes ago and but i think it would
be a fun game for you as someone who is a longtime uh plant-based innovator and formulator and advocate
and again i've not rehearsed this so hopefully this goes well so i want to ask you okay i want

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to ask you aaron regardless of taste so taste is a non-factor okay does not matter how this thing
will taste what is the perfect product that could be created and now and i'm thinking in my head
things like including all of dr greger's daily dozen the the uh doctor uh is it tim specter uh

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30 plants per week you know will bolstow at simon hill 30 plants a week um super foods herbs spices
adaptogens again it doesn't matter what it tastes like and you know don't and don't give away any of
your secrets if there's a new product coming but i mean these could be exotic or seasonal foods
again regardless of taste and let's say you either have a blender or a bowl to mix it in a big bowl

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in case you wanted to use salad greens or oats or nuts and seeds or whatever or a blender which
you could use all those things as well as well as like i don't know some liquid like tart cherry
juice or whatever so um it's just a game i thought it'd be fun and maybe let's limit it to

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20 items or less like what would go into this perfect with all the components you could come
up with the nutritional benefits of these amazing foods which ones would go into this
oh my gosh okay and i sorry i put you on the spot i thought this would be a very interesting game

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to make up and play with you um so basically top 20 or so food ingredients that can be mixed
together regardless of taste take it away nutritional yeast okay sure new um hemp hearts dates
dates tahini kale brazil nuts walnuts oh gosh this is gonna be hard uh red peppers

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oh vegan feta vegan feta i'm obsessed with vegan feta
um greens microgreens or sprouts that's 10 right there um did i say mushrooms yet
you did not that's a great one okay mushroom and i love all mushrooms so whether it's

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crimini or portobello whatever mushrooms um you and us beets beets have to be in there
i'm going through my refrigerator right now probably probably vinegar i used a lot of vinegar
in the salad so i would assume that might be one of those ingredients um oh let me think about can
i i can put fruits in there too right of course you could put adaptogens you could put berries

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you could put exotic you know mangosteen uh whatever would give like the perfect nutritional or the
best nutritional return on investment again it doesn't have to taste great you can mix berries
with you know all these mushrooms and greens and uh nutritional yeast who knows what this thing
would taste like and if you do make one of these bowls or smoothies like take a video of it and

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share what it looks like how many do i have left now let's say let's say you've got about five more
to have any edible medicinal plant that you could put in to make the perfect nutritional
or bowl did i say spinach i would definitely put spinach okay i think you had kale uh i couldn't

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write them all down you're going faster than i could write down but you've had like nutritional
yeast and hemp hearts oh you had microgreens and sprouts okay i definitely put spinach in there
and uh cabbage maybe either purple or white cabbage and then apples blueberries strawberries

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and cherries okay and would you add any any adaptogens in there oh yes of course ashwagandha
ashwagandha or macadamia both okay those get added in and any you've got room for like let's say you
there's two more um so think of like oh i know turmeric okay good good that's good i put turmeric

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in it and um garlic ah very good one garlic of course and that that's really going to change
the flavor um it'd be awful yeah yeah i hope someone listening to this uh makes all of these
puts all these together in a in a in a vitamix or something and and like takes a picture of it and

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tell us what it tastes like that would be yeah maybe that's a fun like winter project for me to
do is to go back and watch this interview go back over all these ingredients and say hey erin look
what i made remember when you talked about mixing garlic and nutritional yeast and apples and cabbage
and all this stuff and here's what it came out as but the real fun part of this is that you're

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what it came out as but the reason for that that exercise erin and why i thought of it on the spot
was that i'm hoping what we what listeners will get out of that is that when we prioritize the
foods that give the most return on investment nutritionally and for our health and for our
fitness and for our recovery that helps us make those decisions like there's reasons i'm sure

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there's reasons why you put beets in there i i from my perspective that would be something like a
you know vasodilator increased nitric oxide flow when you when you talk about sprouts those are
like some of the most nutrient dense concentrated forms of micronutrients that we can get you talk
about hemp hearts we're talking about omega 3 and 6 essential fatty acids of alkaline forming

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they're they're they're green and and provide those those benefits yeah there's protein fiber
in those too like people don't understand that it's like how do you get 30 grams or more actually
it's 39 grams when i figured it out how do you get 39 grams of protein in a salad well it's easy
when you know the nutrition of food and know that nutrition nutritionally um hemp hearts are loaded

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with protein i think three tablespoons of hemp hearts is over 10 grams of protein and like nine
grams of fiber it's like such a perfect food and it doesn't have really any flavor so you can throw
up your smoothies or throw on top of your salad some chia seeds and you just really upped your
upped your game as far as what that salad nutriently how nutrient dense it is like how

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we make our food so nutrient dense that it does there's things to it that are the properties that
it causes our bodies to to that we need and beyond that you mentioned foods that are known for their
anti-inflammatory properties which most of us walk around with inflammation all the time this is just
chronic inflammation we all have from our diet and and lifestyle we just we're always inflamed from

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the processed animal based and junk food based and meat you know oil based foods that we eat
we've all this inflammation and so at least combating that with some of these um antioxidant
anti-inflammatory foods uh like turmeric like um uh some of the berries you mentioned and all of
that is beneficial so that's the reason for the the game and for the exercise is to when you have

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someone who is a product formulator who's been vegan for decades plant-powered athlete for decades
and who makes products that are sold in stores to tap into your thinking process there albeit
putting you on the spot you didn't know that was coming so i appreciate you playing along with me
for that um you know actually on that note of being a plant-powered athlete let's just let's just

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get right to this uh question i like to uh to ask a lot of people i talk with what does being a
powered athlete mean to you well i feel like i'm powered by plants i mean it's what i eat and
my workouts are pretty intense every week and you know i do i probably run four days a week and i

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lift three days a week and um i recover really well and i really owe that i think to how i am
nutritionally feeding myself right like those foods give me so much energy i never feel
um bloated or like i have a like a stomach issue the foods that i eat and when you feel that good

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all the time it's like you don't want that to ever stop right like that and people always comment to
me about like my skin and stuff and they probably are annoyed that i say it but it's it's a i'm
hydrated b i exercise and c i eat really clean and really healthy all those nutrients are our

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skin is our biggest organ so we should be feeding it and with regard to our skin health too so as a
plant-powered athlete um i feel like i get adequate amounts of protein i feel i recover very well i
mean don't get me wrong i still get sore from my workouts which is nice to feel that as you probably

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know it's nice to know like oh yeah i did that exercise i feel bad you know i'm feeling it right
now uh from a workout i did with a previous podcast guest uh stacey love cameron she just
kicked my butt and i just texted her the next day i said i'm sore everywhere even though i do recover
well i was doing exercises i don't normally do things like burpees and all these different

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squats with the medicine ball and all that so sorry to interject but i do know that feeling
well but also at the same time i was better like the next day after that like my because of i think
my recovery and i do the plant-powered protein i do use adaptogens i do focus on whole foods i do
eat citrus before bed and helps you know just even the psychology of taking in you know vitamin-rich

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foods before i sleep to wake up refreshed so sorry to interject please continue no i mean that i mean
that is exactly what it means to me is is how do i perform each day and then also i am i'm propelling
that to my clients all day long right like they're coming in for a workout or i'm meeting them or

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talking to them on the phone to coach them through what their issues are so it's like how do you
how how could i possibly do that without knowing how that felt myself right because i want them
to have that i want them to feel that same way empowered right empowered to make a change in
someone else's life maybe if they felt as good as i do on a daily basis that would propel them to

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hit the gym more often to get outside more often to just you know maybe enter into a race or
something you know just something that is a goal for them and i think when you are a plant-powered
athlete and you get so much from the foods that you eat and you feel so good it's like you just
want to like dish it out right you want people to also feel that good it's not like i have some

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secret that i'm hiding right like i want to like spread that word you know like let i want everybody
to feel that and i want them to leave the gym when they're working out with me feeling that good
well i think that is the definition of leading by example leading by positive example aaron you

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do that very very well i've always been impressed by that over the years that i've i've known you
and um i know why oh thank you i know we're probably a little bit under
10 minutes left in our available time um i took down some other notes on this comment you just
talked about of what being a plant-powered athlete means to you and basically you were talking about

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all the the benefits of the approach that you take and how that impacts your life and how you
instill that like recovery for example the benefits of recovery into your clients and people that you
teach and it reminded me of that we are really the sum of our actions you know it's like even
even yesterday if we indulged in a bunch of halloween candy eating that has an implication for us if we

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uh had a big salad that has an implication if we used super foods or adaptogens that's going to
help us tomorrow the next day a week from now like we are the sum of these things that we do
um i usually do at the end of these podcasts i do this lightning round of you know kind of quick
answers for a bunch of different questions but before that you have a climate and cuisine podcast

(01:05:57):
uh can you talk about that podcast and again i apologize if i haven't booked my my interview time
you you have you have invited me numerous times uh i guess i got carried away with my own new
podcast here but uh please tell us about your climate and cuisine podcast and also where we can
find you uh online on various platforms and then i think we'll finish up with our lightning round

(01:06:22):
of of questions to to bring this thing home awesome yeah it was um my mom and both my parents are
vegan and um i obviously motivated them to go vegan i have them read the china study you know
i don't know 20 plus years ago yeah and they went vegan um and my mom who just retired uh just

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happened to be reading that she was in washington c she was reading uh the paper the washington
post and there was a little little story just a little couple paragraphs about how climate change
is tied to animal agriculture and she was like well this is the first time i've ever heard of
this and this was just three years ago maybe and she was she started to say well wait a minute i

(01:07:12):
only know about how great being vegan and plant-based is for our health had no idea how much
it's affecting our climate and again it was this little tiny article in the post she was like why
why isn't information out there and that prompted her to start this podcast whereas obviously i
come from it on more of a nutrition side she really brought it in from more of the climate side

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and because it doesn't get talked about a lot and so she really wanted to bring light to an awareness
to this topic so we kind of that's where it's like she's the climate i'm the cuisine you know like
kind of the the two parts of this very big picture because probably talking about climate change may
not be that exciting to some people even though it's such an important topic and to know that

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animal agriculture is such a big part of that and people are just so unaware of what they put on
their plate how that affects our climate and we share that we share this earth collectively it is
not a selfish thing to me to be plant-based i feel like i am doing something for this whole earth and
i want people to also do that i feel like that's her her platform as well so we kind of decided to

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to do this podcast and it's only been a couple of months and i've had some really great guests
i hope to have you soon but you can find us on spotify and podbean or the two platforms
hopefully we'll be apple podcast soon i'm not sure what that process is but it's called climate and
cuisine and it's you know it just brings light to a topic that needs to be talked about yeah

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absolutely i think uh i think it's a great concept i think it's a great product that you're you're
putting out i i saw i'm not mistaken you had did you have simon hill on i did that's a that's a big
that's a big name he's got a million followers on one platform alone on on instagram he's a
he's a great guy i've had the opportunity to meet him a few times in california uh over the years

(01:09:12):
uh great guy i was like i saw that i was like i was like wow that's really that's really impressive
uh so congratulations on that and again congratulations on good mood foods as well
i'm going to hold this up here again for everyone to see and please go check those out online uh
we are going to jump into uh some lightning round questions here again some of these questions

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might normally have a much longer answer uh as you might even be able to tell from the the first
question um but uh and the second question but if we could just we'll just just kind of your initial
reaction to these questions okay all right it's just a fun way to at least it's fun for me but i
think a lot of guests like it a fun way to kind of to finish up uh our our wonderful conversation

(01:10:00):
that we've had today erin and thank you again for for for doing this so erin uh start of the
lightning round how do you define success waking up every day feeling good and doing something
purposeful love it what are you most proud of and why

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i'm most proud of the good mood foods bites because it has finally kind of met me where i was
like it's the product it's what i eat it has all these adaptogens so it's what i believe in and it
tastes good and it's selling great so as far as business-wise that's that's probably the

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the most thing i've got i'm obviously my daughter would be the other thing because i'm so proud of
her for just being an awesome kid how do you view the state of the plant-based food industry today
it is definitely booming i feel like i see something new every day so it's exciting it's
a great time to be in the plant-based space so if anybody is thinking about doing it i say go for it

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and erin what can listeners do today to change their health for the better tomorrow
number one thing is to leave less to leave meat off your plate as much as you can and just find
other foods to fill that plate that are better last question erin and right on our agreed upon

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ending time as well erin this is the final one take a moment if you need erin if there was a
movie made about your life who would play you jennifer anison you didn't you didn't need time
at all that was the fastest response to that question i've received that's i i think jennifer
anison is great uh so many so many movies i i love seeing her i like the way she works with adam

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samler i i like her in lots of different things office space of course uh so many things so
that's great great great answer erin uh you're an entrepreneur a founder formulator athlete podcast
host a coach a trainer a mother a wife a friend uh an innovator in this space i want to thank you

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so much for spending time with us here on the plant-powered athlete podcast and
for all the listeners again uh i've been robert cheek uh this has been erin de marinas and erin
i'm so grateful for having you on so thanks for spending uh the past hour and a half uh
past hour and change with us today thank you so much for having me it was great i love i love

(01:12:47):
speaking with you well i appreciate it i'm going to go enjoy some more good mood foods and share
them with my wife as well and i look forward to ordering some from you as well and supporting
what you're doing so thank you so much best of luck with the podcast and again thanks everyone
for tuning in and we'll see you next time bye bye for now