A Simpler Bare Metal Finish and Pencil Weathering with Chris Wallace:Episode 148

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The Voice of Bob (Bair) (00:11):
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Mike (00:40):
Folks, welcome to episode 148, the last feature episode of
the month of September.
Dave, how you doing.

Kentucky Dave (00:47):
I'm doing great.
How about you?

Mike (00:49):
Fine, and we got somebody in the third chair.
Folks have heard before MrChris Wallace of Model Airplane
Maker.
Fame and fortune, chris, howyou doing.

Chris Wallace (00:57):
I'm doing very well, especially after that
introduction.

Thank you, Chris is the first snow falling yet.

No, don't remind me, that's coming.
That is coming too soon.

We're just starting to get cool nights and
some cool rain and the leavesfalling, so I figured you were
probably two, three inches deepin snow by now, maybe the day
after.

Halloween that's usually when we have to start
worrying about those things.

Oh man, Well, good luck.
Well, more time to sit in yourbasement and model right.
Good point, that's true.

Mike (01:33):
Well, Chris, we always start with our guests.
What is up in your model spherethis month?
What's going on?

Well, I first want to begin with just
complimenting you on your timing, that you get me on your show
for the 148th episode.
I think that was justserendipitous.

Mike (01:48):
Ah, you know, I didn't even think of that.
Perfect, absolutely perfecttiming.

I'll admit that, for those that don't know, that
means that we got to kick himoff right now, Mike.
We can't have a whole episodewith him going around telling us
how great 48 scale is.

That's fine.
That's fine, it absolutely is.
So what is up this weekendcoming up?
I don't know if the show willbe out in time, though, but I'm
going to be at a local hobbyshow.
It used to start off as a modelcar contest, but they've
expanded it to just all models.
It's run by my local hobby shophere in Ottawa.
It's called the Ottawa ScaleModel Contest.

(02:29):
It's a pretty descriptive title.
So I'll be there and I'm evengoing to be presented.
They've asked me to actuallymake a presentation, so I'll be
doing that too.
What are you going to bepresenting?
They asked me to present onjust some skills stuff, so I'll
be talking about filling in gapsand pencil chipping, which I
think we're going to be talkingabout later on in the episode.

Well, it's funny.
You should say that, becauseMike and I are both going to be
at a model contest this weekendtoo.

Mike (02:54):
We are, and, dave, I'll just move to you on that what's
up in your model sphere?

Well, the model show season is in full swing.
You and I are going to be at amodel contest.
The local club, MilitaryModelers Club of Louisville, is
holding their annualinvitational this weekend, the
27th of September, and you and Iwill be there at Pariquet

(03:19):
Springs in Shepherdsville,Kentucky.
We're going to have a greattime.
I know my model sphere is toofull of things that aren't
modeling related, but I ammaking modeling progress.
I'm super excited.
I'm jazzed for to get to thebench to work on stuff.
I've got plans.

(03:40):
I'm already virtually modelingahead my next project or the one
after that.
You know how that goes.
Yeah, I know, I do a lot of that, yeah, so what's up in your
model sphere?

Mike (03:54):
Well, it's the show.
I'm excited about coming toShepherdsville on Saturday and
seeing that facility again afterso long.
Yeah, Unfortunately you wereweathered out last year I was
weathered out last year, butbefore that had been a long,
long time since we were at thatfacility Because we had the show
at our club, basically ourclubhouse, the space we share

(04:14):
with the Louisville Car Club,and you know I've not seen some
of our club members since thelast time we were at the venue
we'd been using most recentlybefore Paraket Springs.
So, looking forward to it.
I remember the facility.
It's going to be a great timeand hopefully no seriously
inclement weather this time.

Yeah, we don't need another wind lightning
storm that knocks power outright.

Mike (04:38):
No Other than that man.
I'm looking forward to seeingInch and everybody that comes by
the table.

Yeah Well, gentlemen, we are recording an
episode, so I'll start with MrWallace.
Mr Wallace, do you have amodeling fluid?

Well, if I'm going to be on this particular
podcast, I have to have amodeling fluid.

I was going to say it is required.

So, yes, I do, and I'm actually.
It's resting on my very soughtafter plastic model mojo coaster
here, so I'm happy to be usingit, and it is just easy.
Easy breezy Seagram's VO withsome ice.
That's all I'm doing.

Oh, ok, there's nothing wrong with the classics.
I can see you in the in anadvertisement, and Playboy in
the late 70s, early 80s.
You know, velvet smoking,jacket, cigar or cigarette.

Lots of chest hair.

Yeah, lots of chest hair.
Of course, being Canadian, thathas a dual use.
It helps keep you warm, man.

Mike (05:39):
He's going to cause an international incident tonight.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright.

It's a good choice.
Nothing wrong with thatmodeling fluid choice, mike.
How about you?
I'm drinking a beer tonight,dave, good, good.
What beer are you drinking?

Mike (05:55):
Bruelligans New England style India pale ale.
Is that what you're drinkingtoo?

That, indeed, is what I'm drinking.

Mike (06:03):
Well, I didn't steal your thunder, so go for it, man.

Second shift brewing out of St Louis
Bruligans.
It's a New England style Indiapale ale given to us by my
fellow IPMS board member, bobDelaney, at the Nationals, and
he gave us enough that you and Icould split it, so we're both
having that tonight.
It'll be an interestingcontrast to see what you think

(06:29):
of it versus what I think of it.

Mike (06:31):
Was that you or Chris?
Fine one too, that was me.

My arm's not that long.

Mike (06:36):
Well, while you're pulling down the first, drag off that,
dave, let's get into somelistener mail.
Sounds good, all right.
Well, chris, if you got anycomment you can just jump into.
Sure, how about that Soundsgood?
Well, the first one's anothershow.
You know we covered two in theshow spotlight, but this one's
coming up September 27th, so notwell, same.
That's Saturday.

(06:57):
That's the same same day as ourshow, yeah, and the same day as
Chris's show, and this was sentto us by Charles Rice and it's
Falcon 25.
And it's in the greaterCharlotte area, in Mooresville,
north Carolina, nine to three atthe Charles Mack center.
I'll put this link in the shownotes and, man, if I don't

(07:17):
forget, I'll put the put the PDFin the uh on the dojo as well,
but sponsored by a fast Racewayand Hobbies in IPMS Race City.
I guess that's Charlotte, or ifit's Bob Bear's home chapter
too, I can't remember.

That might be Bob Bear's home chapter.
I don't know.

Mike (07:35):
So all kinds of shows, yeah, in Canada and here Up next
from the inquiry last episode,tim Nelson confirms that he did
give us the Woodinville whiskey.
So, glad he clarified that.

Yep.
I confirmed that with Mr Batesas well.

Mike (07:56):
And we need to get Tim arranged for an appearance
because I have an idea inNovember.
We'll talk about that later.
So, tim, keep your an idea inNovember, we'll talk about that
later.
So, tim, keep your, keep yourcalendar open.
In November we may want to talkto you.
Keep an eye on your email.
That's right.
Keep an eye on your email.
Next, dave is Bruce Binkson andhe's in the San Francisco area.

(08:19):
Yes, san Francisco, californiaand he sent us his last year.
He sent us his 2023 year inmodels.
It was a synopsis of all hisbuilds and some photographs and
a little bit of text around.
He says well, he's done thatagain for 2024.
Bruce, I wish you'd just putthis on the dojo.
You do great work and I knoweverybody else would like to see
it.
One other thing from a commentin episode 142, our least

(08:42):
favorite modeling company ormodel company, yep.
Now, this is interestingbecause right now we have the
same one, bruce.
His is Bronco Models and he'sbuilt their 135th scale early
M24 Chaffee.
You know, sounds like theengineering on.
This one is, by his words hasmocked, insulted and ridiculed

(09:02):
him the entire time.

Oh, and that's what you want in a model kit,
right?

Mike (09:08):
Yeah, exactly, chris.
You ever get one like that.
Oh, I've gotten a couple.
I've gotten a couple, that'sfor sure.
I think maybe I'm trying tothink in the aircraft realm
948th, your chosen scale, Idon't know.
But I know a lot of the KittyHawk kits tend to be looking
great, but not so much once youget into them.

I heard that too, and I never had the chance to
build one.
Yeah, I heard the same.
They've been quite a challenge,especially with all those open
panels that never quite lined upproperly, that type of thing.

Mike (09:40):
Well, a large swath of that stuff's available again.
Maybe I'll get you one forChristmas.

There, you go.

Mike (09:46):
No, okay, right after Nats I was talking to our friend
Mike Idekavage down in Mariettaand just want to reiterate to
him it gets into this wholecommunity building aspect of
this hobby and kind of the theeffects the podcast has had on

(10:08):
our lives.
Dave and you know, I just wastalking to him about
reconnecting and he reiteratedhow cool that was after all
these years to uh reconnectafter our our brief intersection
of lives there back intennessee, back in the in mid80s
, and he's offered to maybe giveus a session on liquid 3D print
materials, the resins.

(10:28):
Ooh, that's his Right.
He's a chemical, he's achemical chemist or chemical
engineer by vocation.
I think he's retired now, butthis was kind of the last thing
he was kind of doing.
He's still doing someconference work along that line.
So, mike, another one to watchout for your email.

We want to probably take you up on that
that'd be really interesting.

Yeah, chris, you got a printer you do have a
printer, I do, and I don't knowanything about the resins,
except obviously, the more youpay quote, unquote, the better
it is.
I have no idea why, but I wouldlove to know more about that
actually.

Mike (11:06):
And they're kind of toxic too.
You probably know that.

Uh-huh, yep, that's right, it's right
underneath the blower.
Get all that stuff out of thebasement, for sure.

Mike (11:15):
Well from Germany.
Dave is Michael Rees, uh-huhEvan's friend over there in
Germany, hamilcar Barkas.
He recently had the pleasure ofdoing a challenge build a one
72nd scale aircraft.

All right, everybody's coming home.

Mike (11:32):
The title is one 72nd scale Aircraft models are easy
Exclamation point.

Well good, I'm glad he got an easy one.

Mike (11:39):
So they had a group build trying to do a speed build
project.
They picked the Edward FW 190series.
He's got the F8 in 72nd scaleand their goal was to do it in
nine hours.
Well, nobody finished it, buthe kept track of his time and by

(12:00):
the time most guys were done itwas between 12 and 16.
He was on the low side of that.
He's got assembly two hours and35 minutes, paint and decals
seven hours and 10 minutes, andweathering and final touches two
hours and 15 minutes for aneven 12 hours.

Well, remind me when, at the end of the episode
about this email cause, I got alittle, a little surprise
hatched up.

Mike (12:26):
Okay, you have to remind me, to remind you.

I'll remind you, to remind me, to remind you.

Mike (12:32):
Well, this is interesting, he says hope this doesn't
discourage you, Dave, butinstead inspires you to be a bit
more determined and courageous.

Well, hey, I have twice completed a blitz bow
where I built, painted, decaled,the whole nine yards an
aircraft model 72nd scaleaircraft model in two
consecutive 12 hour sessions.
Chris, you ever done one ofthese things.

I've attempted to a couple of times and I tried
really hard, Mike, but didn'tquite get underneath the.
It was one of those 48-hourbuilds or long weekend builds.

Yeah.

And I didn't quite, Even though I was quite
strategic about it, like it waswheels up, closed cockpit,
anything I could do to reducethe amount of work.
But other things in lifesometimes take over and I just
can't quite get it done.
But I came close, I came close.
Here's a good thing.
I eventually did finish themodel.

(13:33):
Well good.
It just didn't make it in thetime requirement.

Mike (13:38):
So two points before we move on from this one.
One is we're going to get torevisit this at the end of shop
talk, Cause that's one of thethat's.
The third topic is short builds, so so there's that.
The other is this is reallymore of a time compression
exercise than a speed build in alot of cases.

(13:59):
Right, I would.
I would suspect, Dave, if youadded up the sum total of all
the hours you spent on some ofyour projects, even though they
took months and months andmonths, just like mine, it was
probably 12 hours.

It probably was Right, right, right.
I don't doubt that.
I suspect that is true.

Mike (14:21):
Well, mike, thanks for that.
Good to hear from you man.
Maybe we'll see him over hereon this side of the ocean again
sometime.

And Mike post a picture of a completed model on
the dojo.

Mike (14:30):
Well, he sent pictures and said it was all right if I did.
Oh, okay, he can do thathimself if he likes.
Yeah, maybe I have to add himto the dojo, or maybe he's not a
Facebook guy, I don't know.
I don't know, wouldn't,wouldn't hold that against him,
yeah, well, my last one on theemail side is from John Lee's
and he's from Elgin, illinois,and he has, I've often knocked

(14:54):
the, the Pache model H.
Right, you know, airbrushingwith a banana, right.
Well, this is what he gotstarted on way back when.
Oh, a lot of people did, and hejust could not believe the
windows displays of his hobbyshop, local hobby shop, when he
was a kid.
Most of the people were usingthis thing, so he ended up

(15:16):
getting one.
As life goes on, he ended upwith some Iwatas and H&S
airbrushes.
Fast forward to today.

He had some new floors installed in his house
and they had to put it in a newair diffuser register in the
baseboards.

Mike (15:34):
You know what he did, what he masked his sucker off and
got the gloss white alkyd enameland thinned it out and dug out
the old Pache Model H andpainted his trim work and his
air register with it.

Nice, I bet you that's the best darn looking
trim work in any house you'llever go into Nice and smooth
finish.

Mike (16:01):
Yeah, exactly Fairly good use of that airbrush, I would
think.

Yeah, honey, I'm going to use the airbrush to
paint the living room.
It'll only take three months.

Mike (16:13):
I don't think he did all the trim.
I think he did the area aroundwhere he had to cut out for the
register, sure, but anyway.
Well, john is also recentlyretired, or is approaching
retirement.
He wanted to tell you that hestill has the first book he ever
bought my kind of guy.
He comes at this because he'sdecided to return to his first
modeling love, which was GreatWar Biplanes.

Oh, good choice.
Now here I'm going to utter aheresy Great War Biplanes, I
think, is a subject where youshould build in 48 scale or 30
second scale, of course.
Then again, william of Dare isdoing them in 144 scale, scratch

(16:55):
built, so you know.
But that's one where I amwilling to admit.
70 second scale simply is alittle too small to do that
comfortably, although there areplenty of people out there who
do it.

Mike (17:10):
That's a big claim by Dave right there.

Yeah, that's right.
Or a recommendation?
Yep, you're not going to hearthat often.

Mike (17:16):
The earth may have shifted enough on its axis to give
Ottawa perpetual late spring.

Yeah, that would be a good that would be.
If that happens, you owe me aWallace.

I just see all these gentlemen scale builders
just getting their pitchforksand their torches.

They're coming hunting for me, that's right.

Mike (17:36):
I'll just say he had it coming, man Well, the book was
the fighters by ThomasFunderburk.

Okay.

Mike (17:44):
Circa 1963.
Yep, I am familiar with thebook the Fighters by Thomas
Funderburk.
Okay, circa 1963.
Yep, I am familiar with thebook.

Was it a birthday gift For me?
No, I probably took it out ofmy school library.
You're not that old.
Yes, I am.

Mike (17:58):
Okay, are you really 63?

I was born in 61.
Okay.

Mike (18:02):
All right, yeah, I knew it was 61.
Okay, all right, yeah, I knewit was close.
I'm old, he closes.
Remember your stash is yourpainting mule.

That's exactly right, he's right.

Mike (18:13):
Chris, do you ever get the knack to do a World War?
I plane.

I've done a 148 scale.
I think it was the.
It was all white David, help meout.
I think it was the F.
It was all white David, help meout.
I think it was the Fokker seven.
Is that what?

that.
Yeah, the Fokker G seven, theone that was in all white.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it'sthe one you're talking about.

Mike (18:32):
Wasn't like an Aurora, albatross or something.

No, no, it was.
It was an Edward, I think, and48 scale kit and it's gorgeous.
I got everything done right,but, david, I could not get that
top wing to top wing.
Do you know what I mean?
I could not get the top wing totop wing for me and it just
looked a little odd.

Alignment on World War I aircraft, biplane
aircraft that is an art.

But if you looked at it with your head tilted
slightly and one eye slightlyclosed, it was great.
It looked really, really nice.

That's the way I recommend viewing all of my
models.

Mike (19:18):
Well, I would do something like put all the wing struts on
backwards, so the top wingssets behind the lower wing.

You know there was an actual aircraft like that
in World War I, where they didthat intentionally, probably
wasn't the one I was building,though?

Mike (19:34):
Probably not.
Well, Dave, what are the DMslooking like?
The DMs?

are hopping the first DM from our friend Kevin
Hedrick at Kit Masks.
He DMed me with a link to aYouTube video where a builder
was building the old 72nd scaleG8N1 Rita.
This is a very early Hasegawakit from the 70s.

(20:02):
It was one of two attempts byJapan to do a four-engine
strategic bomber and it's an oldkit.
I mean, that's right up Kevin'salley as far as creating masks
for old kits, but this was aYouTube video and he knew that I

(20:25):
would have an interest in it sohe shot me the link and I
really appreciate him doing thatbecause I love to love to see
stuff like that now, what kindof build was it?

Mike (20:36):
was it a an opus type thing, or is it just how to get
the best out of it, out of theit?

was more house how best to get he best out of
it out of the box.
It was more how best to get thebuilder did some improvement.
I'll drop a link in the dojo soeverybody can see it.
But it wasn't one wheresomebody was scratching every
last detail, but it was makingthe best out of the kit as it

(21:03):
exists.

Sorry, what scale would that have been?
Is that 48 or no?

72nd scale, 72nd, god's one true scale man.
That thing would be big in 48scale.
It would be bigger than a 48scale B-17.

Mike (21:17):
Wow, yeah, that would be fairly large.

Listener, brian Bennett DM'd me.
I've sold a few things on thedojo lately.
The battery in the Volvo diedand so man car batteries have
gotten expensive.
When did that happen?
So I sold a few excess kits andbooks on the dojo.
Brian bought some, but he DMedme.

(21:41):
He's an over-the-road truckerand he likes to listen to the
podcast while he's traveling andhe had stopped for the night
and shot me a photo of themodeling fluid that he was
having that evening at the endof a long day, and I like seeing

(22:02):
that stuff.
Guys, when you have a newmodeling fluid, put it in a
picture of your model bench orwhatever and tell us a little
bit about it, because I reallydo like learning about all the
different beers and stuff outthere that maybe is very
regional and therefore you don'tget a lot of exposure to it.

(22:25):
So please do that, and Iappreciate Brian for doing that.
The next DM was from our friend, dr Geldmacher, who organizes
the September's group buildevery year, and the group build
that he organized for Norfolkwas the group build of aircraft

(22:50):
from like 1925 to 1950s aircraftthat has served in the Norfolk
Hampton Roads area, and he thentook the collection with him
because he takes it to contestsin his region.
And he DM'd me because he's notstopped, even though the

(23:13):
Nationals has passed andtechnically we're done with that
group build, he's actuallyadding to it.
He's actually building, in thiscase, a Flyhawk SBD that he's
going to add to the collection.
And you got one too.
Yes and yeah, and he and I aremeeting up so I can get him.

(23:33):
The Bearcat.
Next is our friend and fellowpodcaster, the podfather Dave
Goldfinch, who reached out to mebecause, of course, they opened
the hotel room blocks for theNationals in Fort Wayne, which
is, I think, about as early asthey have ever done that.
That's what I was thinking.

Mike (23:54):
I said something to you about it the other day.

Yes, and so he reached out to me to confirm
they were open and talk about it.
And then he went ahead and gota room, it.
And then he went ahead and gota room.
But he is coming in for 2026and he's going to to be at Casa
de Nights and then we're goingto do some stuff and then head

(24:16):
up to Fort Wayne, so lookingforward to having the Aussie
back in town.
Chris, are you going to make it?
Do you know who else is going?
David, I, I'm hoping my favoriteCanadian, evanan mccollum man,
that was low yeah, that, that'sa low blow, my friend well, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry you teed thatone up.

I mean, even a san francisco giant could have
hit that one man and the hitsjust keep on coming, the hits
just keep on coming, the hitsjust keep on coming.
Yes, despite the fact you'regoing to be there, david, I am
going to go.
I am going to go to Fort Wayneand hang out with you guys.

And we're going to a baseball game.
Absolutely, we are, absolutely,we are going to a baseball game
.
Looking forward to that.
The next DM is our friendStephen Lee Spru pie with frets,
who dm'd me because and I thinkthis is the second time this
has happened to him- oh, I sawthis a.

(25:17):
You know the, the, the storebrand super glues that are bob
smith industries, yeah, yeah.
And then the local hobby shopbuys them and they usually put a
label on them with the localhobby shop information For the.
I think the second time he'shad one of those things explode,

(25:37):
oh, burst open.
Maybe explode is too energetica word, but burst open and then
of course spill out and dry.
And of course he had itsomewhere where it was in a
drawer and it ended up ruining awhole bunch of tools and
supplies that were in thatdrawer with that bottle of super

(26:01):
glue.
And he kind of wondered is hejust cursed or is this a thing
that's happening?
So all the listeners out there,if you've ever had this
experience, not just with BobSmith but with any super glue
where the container justruptures while it's sitting in a

(26:22):
drawer or whatever, reach outand let us know, because this is
kind of interesting.

Mike (26:28):
It's not for Steve.

Yeah, well, that's right.
He lost a bunch of stuff.
By the way, he did send alsohis local club, the Southern
Delaware Modelers.
Apparently they've takeninspiration from Mike Baskett
and decided to build a whole lotof aircraft on catapults.

Mike (26:48):
Yes, that's the one I saw.
I don't think they tookinspiration from me or not.

I mean, it's a really interesting subject and
well, we're, we're taking thestory that they took the
inspiration from you, whetherthey did or not.

Mike (26:59):
I have to wonder is it one person or multiples?
That's what I didn't gatherfrom it.
That's what I didn't gatherfrom it.

That's a good question.
So, Steve, you'll have to reachout and give us a little more
info on all those catapultaircraft.

Mike (27:12):
And reach out to Bob Smith Industries.

Yes, exactly.

Mike (27:15):
Send him a bill for your tools.

I'm glad he could open his drawer.
That's nice.

It would have been bad if it was glued shut.
Well, I mean the nearest drawerthat's nice.

Mike (27:24):
Yeah, that's right.
It would have been bad if itwas glued shut.
Well, I mean, the nearest thingI've had that happen.
I spilled I can't rememberwhich I don't know his testers
or tamiya liquid cement on myworkbench one time and at the
time it spilled I had all mytamiya masking tape dispensers
oh, down on the bench and theyjust all happened to be with the
pull-off panel side down, oh,so like Glued to the bench.

(27:49):
Two of the three of them gotglued together.
I can't get them apart anymore.
So once the tape ran out I hadto get the whole dispenser and
everything.
So, yeah, that's not like amajor disaster, but if you're
twofer with super glue blowingup in your storage, that would
merit a inquiry to themanufacturer.
I would think, yeah, what am Idoing wrong or what are you?

doing wrong?
What are you doing wrong?
Well, the next DM is fromJustin Reed, and Justin DMed me
because he posted a post in thedojo and it got held for spam
clearance.
We're still having this problemon the dojo.
I'm whitelisting people andthat helps somewhat but doesn't

(28:35):
cure it.
That continues to happen.
It is out of our control.
I try and catch them and getthem posted as quickly as I can.
We will tell you that the onething that I think they all have
in common is where they arecross posts, where you are
taking a post from anotherFacebook group or your own

(28:59):
Facebook page and cross postingit onto the dojo, and I think
that that triggers the spamfilter monster, whatever it is,
and so those are seem to be theposts that get routinely shunted
into spam.
If it happens to you, Iapologize.

(29:21):
If it goes more than 24 hoursand you don't see the post, dm
me.
I'll go check and try and getit found and cleared.

Mike (29:31):
The spam monster.

The spam monster.

It happens on my group too.
I have model airplane makers asa private group and I think
also what might be triggering itis if someone is multipposting
to various groups almost in asmall period of time.
It just happened today with thepresident of the local IPMS
chapter.
He wanted to post another adfor the show and it got thrown

(29:55):
right to spam.
I think what happened is thathe's just well for lack of a
better term he's throwing it allover them.
He's doing it but it's notactually spam.
It is a legitimate announcement.
But I think that might also bea trigger for them to quarantine
it.

I agree, I think that is indeed what's happening.
So just everybody be warned.
Finally, on the DM side, davidWhite DMed you, or he DM'd, and
he thought I was replying, butit was actually you and he was
inquiring about what theMoosaroo subject was, because

(30:36):
you know, we had all gotten them, all the podcasts had gotten
them, but we really hadn'ttalked much about it.
And so he reached out toinquire and you told him what,
mike.

Mike (30:50):
I told him that I had it and what it was I can't remember
exactly off the top of my head,but it'll come up in Bench Top.
Halftime Report.

Oh my gosh, Don't tell me, you've already started
it.

Mike (31:02):
I won't tell you until Bench Top Halftime Report Okay.

That's all right.
Well, that's the end of the DMs.

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Those guys are a little onhiatus right now, but we wish
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they can and wishing the best.
In addition to podcasts,there's also a lot of blog and
YouTube friends we have out inthe model sphere.
One of them just happens to bewith us tonight Chris Wallace,
model Airplane Maker.
We're going to start with you,man.

What's going on at Model Airplane Maker and
what's coming up in the nearterm.
Well, very recently, maybeabout a week ago, I put up a
video on using Prisma pencils toget some chipping effects on
aircraft.
Right now I'm working on whatI'm calling it's placeholder for
now, but I'm calling it theFrankenCorsair, and it's a
little bit of a fun projectwhere I'm recycling all of the

(33:44):
various Tamiya and HasegawaCorsair parts I've accumulated
over the years and I amupgrading a centuries-old
spanked Otaki kit and having alittle bit of fun with it, even
trying some riveting, tryingsome new stuff with it.
So that should be a fun one toput up.

Mike (34:03):
Well, we'll also mention Evan McCallum.
We already have mentioned himonce, but Panzermeister36 on
YouTube, and we've mentionedStephen Lee Spruepowerwithfretz.
That's a blog you're going towant to check out A lot of 72nd
scale content there.
We'll see Jeff Groves, the InchHigh Guide our own model show
coming up this Saturday, but inthe meanwhile, please check out
the Inch High Guy blog, another72nd scale centric blog, and

(34:25):
finally, paul Budzik Scale ModelWorkshop over on Patreon and
YouTube.
Please check out Paul's effortsright now.
He's got a lot of good stuffgoing on.

Finally, if you are not a member of IPMS USA,
consider joining.
Or if you're not in the US,join whatever national IPMS
branch is in your country.
I'm serving my final two-yearterm on the IPMS e-board.
For the next two years It'll bemy final term in office and the

(34:59):
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who donate their time, give up alittle of their modeling time
to try and make modelers'modeling experience and contest
experience better, based on thehope, based on the idea that I

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We're currently around 5,200.
So I'm asking all of you, as apersonal favor, to join IPMS USA
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any interest in armor orpost-1900 figure modeling.
As Mike and I have saidrepeatedly, great group of guys
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Mike (36:35):
Well, guys, it's a Shop Talk episode.
Yep, I'm looking forward to it.
I am too, and that's why we gotMr Wallace here with us,
because we're going to get intoa couple of topics he's had some
recent videos about, and let'sdive on in.
Well, chris, not your mostrecent video, but the one just

(36:59):
prior was on your Starfighterand your bare metal finish on
that one, and I just thought itwas a very I don't know I think
I told you approachable way todo a bare metal finish.

Yeah, because there are some very complicated
and involved ways of doing it,that's for sure.

Mike (37:17):
Oh yeah, there are.
So I was interested in this onebecause you'd actually used a
vallejo product on this yep andI thought that was really
interesting, because I justdon't think that would have been
my first choice it wouldn'thave been my sixth choice.

Go ahead and tell us I mean the the thing the
Vallejo Metallics is, they'reacrylic.
They're water-based, correct?
Yes, I think I've just trueacrylics.
I've just had very little luckairbrushing.
What did you find about theVallejo product that you liked?

Well, let's just back up one stitch, because the
reason why I did that and I getinto it a little bit in the
video is that I love bare metalfinishes.
I've attempted them countlesstimes, some with more success
than others.
I would say that one of mygreatest successes was with the

(38:19):
standard Alclad type of finish,where I mean that's, if you want
to get to an involved way ofdoing bare metal finish, that's
one of the more involved ways ofdoing it.
But the last time I did it andit could have and I'll I'll take
this as it could have been usererror, it could have been me,
but when I tried to mask on topof it, I could not it, I just it

(38:39):
kept coming off right.
So the tape even though I wasusing pretty weak tape and I was
even sort of pre-taping thingsbefore putting it on right it
still took up some of the finish.
So that was the impetus forfinding something that was both
easy and and passable as ametallic finish and the.
The reason why I went withVallejo is because I used it on

(39:03):
the engines of a previous buildand I was actually and I was
desperate.
I went to the hobby shop.
I just grabbed whatever wasavailable.
I just needed something.
It didn't need any mixing.
It does need a lot of shaking,like you're going to really
shake these things before youuse them.
But when I sprayed it on, itwas no fuss, no muss guys, you

(39:24):
put it in the cup, you shoot iton and you're done.
And it was bulletproof,absolutely bulletproof, and
that's why I said well, I got totry this.
Did you thin it at all?
Nope, no thinning.

Really.

Nothing.

Didn't you watch the video, dave?
Yes, I did.

Mike (39:46):
Yeah, okay, I'm trying to never mind.
I.
I get the question becausethere's a lot of paints out
there that are quote unquote,airbrush ready and right there
there is a, a, a window ofapplication.
That that is true.

I think that airbrush ready is probably up
there with honest used carsalesman yeah, For one of those
terms that you hear a lot butisn't really ever true.

Right, and the model air stuff?
Forget it.
It's not airbrush ready and itsays model air on it and it
tells you it lies to you.
You can't put that in your cupand shoot that.
It doesn't work, but this stuffdid.

You could at like 60 PSI painting a wall.

Possibly, that's true.

Mike (40:35):
For most of the products that are advertised as airbrush
ready, there is a range that isokay for for most modeling
applications solid colors,things like that primer,
whatever they, they'll work, butgenerally, especially with
metallics, that I don't know.
Man, that I was surprised.
Let's just put it that way well, I sprayed it on.

I chose a few colors because the the plane I
was going after was is more ofan earlier 60s one where they
took a lot more care of thesethings, I suppose.
So there wasn't that much dirtaccumulated on it.
There wasn't that manydifferent panel colors, but
there were a few.
So I had to mask off the wings,I had to mask off a few of
these panels in the back and themasking tape did not look

(41:17):
metallic when I took it off,which was great.
The reverse side, I mean.
And I used a few shades and,like I said, you got to shake
them very, very, very, very well.
They even have a little BB init or a bearing or something
like that to help you shake itup.
But yeah, pour it right in andit cleaned right up with a
little bit of lacquer thinnerand away you go.

Now, how long did you let each application dry?

Mike (41:42):
yeah, I'm not a fast builder, so I I typically would
do it overnight, but you know 12, 20, 24 hours, something like
that so to back up even further,I assume this still had all the
the prerequisite kind ofbuilding finesse and and
undercoating requirements thatmost metallic finishes have to

(42:03):
not show every little pimplethat the plastic might have in
it.

And that's the thing with the bare metal finish
.
It's a skill that goes beyondwhat we would totally do with a
normal camouflage or a singlecolor.
It's because the metallic, forwhatever reason, will announce,
just like you said, every singleflaw, every speck of dust,
every sanding scratch you couldpossibly think that you have

(42:30):
dealt with well.
Let me tell you that bare metalfinish is going to tell the
world that you didn't.
So, yeah, so I I standard.
My standard finishing thing forthat was I checked all my seams
with a little bit of NATO Black.
I polished all those out.
Then I went for Gloss Blackafter that, which also will help
you track down any blemishes.

(42:52):
And the great thing about thatis you just polish it out and
put more Gloss Black on it.
It's the easiest fix in theworld.
Put more gloss black on it it'sthe easiest fix in the world.
And the other thing that Itried with this video was a
brush that had a wider spray andthat helped a lot as well.
So because you're doing, youwant a nice smooth application

(43:13):
and you don't want to sit thereand dry like these individual
lines of dry airbrushing.
You want to have sort of almosta wet application, the broader
brush that I use really helpedwith that.

Mike (43:26):
I found that interesting too, because just our last
episode we had Dr Miller on DrStrangebrush and talking about
bigger needles for primers andjust metallics and clear coats
and things like that, just forthat very reason.
And then really, if youmentioned Paul Budzik in the

(43:47):
shout outs there or therecommendations, he's got a
couple of videos on using.
You know there are airbrushesthat are there.
There's some Awada triggerbrushes, pistol grip type
brushes, and the same thingyou're putting in, you're
putting down a higher volume ofpaint.
You're going to get a smootherfinish you don't have.
You're not trying to blend allthese narrow lines by comparison

(44:08):
, as you would get using anarrower or smaller tipped
airbrush.

So looked like it worked out for you.
And how did?
Did you lay some where you laidone color of Vallejo and then
laid another color of theVallejo metallic over it?
Yes, yes, I did.
And how did that work?
It didn't lift the layer belowor anything like that.

No, it went on like butter.
It was great.
It's one of the easier ways ofputting a bare metal finish on
that I've ever done.
It's still you know it's stillnot to my mind like absolute
perfection, mirror-like finish,but I wasn't going for that
necessarily and I'm not sayingthat this is the only way of
doing it.
It's just saying if you want away that is fairly easy to do,

(44:54):
certainly not a lot of fuss toget it done, this is a good way
of trying.
One of the comments that I goton the video was well, you know,
it still looks like paint,buddy.
The best way of doing this isis with foil, and you know
that's probably true.
But if you want an involvedprocess of putting on a, bare
metal finished I mean, you wantto.

(45:15):
You want to sit there and sufferfor your modeling?
That is one great way of doingit, and I've seen so many
started projects of bare metalfoil.
I've seen dozens and dozens anddozens of starts but I have not
seen that many finishes.
And I wonder if, along the waythat people's levels of care

(45:37):
give up.

Yeah, and I'll be honest with with you I just
don't like the results of baremetal foil.
I don't think it looks as goodI.

Mike (45:47):
I really don't, but that's just me well, I think a you
know, a marginally executed foilmodel is.
You know, it looks like a candybar, exactly it.
You know.
Their gaps aren't closed verywell and they're not blended
well and there's wrinkles.
That's when it's not been donethat well.
But I wouldn't want to do itthat way.
No, neither would I.

(46:09):
Maybe that's a scale modeler'skind of God.
What would you call it?
Brass ring, the brass ring.

Yeah, kind of like a complex vacuform or
something like that.

Mike (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, to pull off a bare metal foil finish or not
even bare metal foil brand name.
But gosh, there was an articlein fine scale years and years
ago years ago, where the guy diduse candy bar wrappers.

No and wow yeah, and the and the micro foil
adhesive.
Well, that's one way of doingit?

Yeah, there is, but if you want to make another
model this year, you might wantto consider paint.
That's all I'm going to say Iagree with you.

Mike (46:51):
Well, once you had this down, was the masking and
decaling just similar to anormal.

That was another great benefit too.
So I was worried about that aswell.
Luckily with the kit.
So I use the kinetic, the newkinetic cf104 kit, and that has
cartograph decals in it.
So it's, it's gonna work.
It's gonna work just fine, andit did, and so I put them on.
I, you can bear I mean, youreally really have to zoom in to

(47:19):
see the film on those but aftera clear coat it's gone and yeah
, it still looks pretty metal-yto me.

Now, did you use any sort of setting solution or
anything like that on the decal?

I used our standard Microsoft Microset.

Okay, and no problem with that affecting the
finish at all.

No, and I've been on this show before and I have
lamented a number of times mydealings with decals over the
years and I'm still, don't weall?
I'm still in a multi-stepprogram to try to deal with yeah
, that's right, but.
I did reach out to one of ourfriends, chris Sieber, because
he could always just masterthese things.
Yeah, that's right.

(48:04):
I use a baby bottle warmer asmy decal reservoir.
That is a great choice.
And I go hot.
I mean you can't stick yourfinger in there for very long.

(48:25):
I go hot and then I put thosethings on, I press them on.
So I put it on a pool ofMicroset and I press them on
with a hot wet paper towel, ahot wet paper towel and that
takes care of 90 some oddpercent of the settling into the
rivets and settling into thepanel lines and everything like

(48:46):
that.
That does a great job.

Mike (48:48):
It's interesting the warm water came up on the dojo really
early when we launched thatgroup.
I guess the main benefit Icould see that I mentioned there
was it's.
Decal adhesive is acellulose-based material.
It's like postage stamp glueessentially, and the warmer the
water the faster you candissolve that off and get that

(49:10):
thing to come off the paper witha bare metal finish, just like
I would with a 60s Navy high visscheme with the light gray on
top or a white on a NASA bird ofsome kind.
Is that stuff?
That glue is not cleartypically.

(49:32):
It typically has a little bitof yellow color to it.
Oh, okay, and I would justthink, if you didn't get most of
that gone, that you might, itmight leave a footprint around
the decal or something.
I don't know if it actuallymakes that much difference in
the softening of the decal.

(49:52):
It might, it might.
It might help with the microsetting solution to work faster
too.
I don't know, but I know forsure it'll help get that stuff
separated from the paper reallyquick.

I do think that the hot water, the hotter, the
water, it does make the decalsofter.
It softens it more such that itthen will either be pressed
down into the details or yourmicro-sol on it will work more

(50:25):
effectively.
When you put a decal on that'sjust barely room temperature
water, it doesn't seem to settledown as well.

I agree.
And one thing that we shouldlet everyone know is I know
cartograph decals fairly well.
I worked with them quite a bit,so I know that they're going to
stand up to this.
But if you're going to go hot,hot on something else, test
first.
Test, really give that test.
And I can't remember the nameof the manufacturer.

(50:56):
But I tried it on another decaland it did not like hot, hot at
all.
It, I'm gonna say it shrunk, itcertainly curled up.

Mike (51:04):
It was very I could see that happening.

It was very upset with me.
So if you're gonna try it, giveher a test before before you.
You know, use that oneirreplaceable huge decal.
Smack in the middle of the wing, give it.
You know, try something on theunderside first and give it a
try.

Mike (51:22):
What was the most difficult thing is that the prep
ahead of the, the bare metal,finish, I would think would
probably be right up there.
It's going to be a testament toyour, your skills and your
eyesight for that thing whereyou wanted it, and patience too.

So with that kit I'll tell you and it will be in
a future video because I'll do afull build Everything went
pretty smoothly all the way upuntil I had to put some panels
on and you know, wouldn't youknow, some of them just would
not span the opening thatthey're supposed to span.
So I did a lot of gap fillingwith some gap filling strategies

(51:59):
.
It was a little bitdisheartening because I thought
that this, this kit, was goingquite well.
But I say that now it's not theend of the world for this to
happen.
It's a fairly easy fix.
It's just.
It just takes you off thatmomentum because we all want to
get to that fun painting stage.
So yeah, it was.
It was getting those gaps alldealt with, smoothing everything
out, checking it all over andthen going for the gloss black

(52:24):
and diving in the deep end.

Mike (52:26):
All right, you ready to do one.
Dave Yep, what's your baremetal thing you want to do?

There's a lot of Japanese ones out there for you.

I was going to say a Ki-61 with the green snake
pattern over the bare metal.
It'd probably be at the top ofmy list.

Mike (52:51):
I could do it.
It's like a Sabre.
Yeah, an early jet.

There's got to be a catapult aircraft that's bare
metal?

Mike (52:58):
I seriously doubt it.

Are we sure you don't think there's a couple
yellow wing ones available?

Yellow wing catapult fighters Right Well,
the fuselages were silver dopeoh that's right, that's right,
the front panels.
The metal panels were usuallymetal, Actual bare metal.

Mike (53:19):
But I could see doing a saber jet or something like that
.

That'd be cool there, you classic choice
shooting star.

Mike (53:25):
Yep well, chris, your latest video was, uh, some
chipping with pencils, which Idid a little bit of on my
japanese float plane.
I found it a pretty cool way todo it.
It looks like you had a lot ofsuccess yourself there.
On the on your subject.

Well, that was one that I wanted to do, and the
impetus for that was I triedpencils years ago and I didn't
really put a lot of thoughtbecause someone said you know,
you gotta, you gotta weatherthat with some pencils, you
gotta make it look like it'sbeen worn a little bit.
So of course I went and gotmyself a Prisma pencil at
Michael's, I sharpened it up andthen I just I gave my airplane

(54:03):
measles and that was just notnot the way to go.
And I took a look at that andsaid what in the world did you
just do?
I put the pencil away, thinkingthat that was one of the
dumbest things that I've everdone.
But I've been to a couple ofmodel shows since.
I've been to a couple of modelshows with our good friend Steve
Hustad, and Steve has someamazing effects with the pencils

(54:25):
, and so I was sort of like,okay, well, this guy can do this
.
There's got to be a techniqueout there.
And the impetus behind doing thevideo is that I really wish
someone made a video like thisbefore I gave my airplane
measles years ago.
There's different ways of doingit, but the whole point of it

(54:47):
is if it's a video you're notgoing to watch.
Here's the advice Keep the tipas sharp as possible and get a
good reference photo.
The rest of it, you'll be ableto figure this out.
You'll be able to figure it out.
But if you have those twothings, you can slay this.
You can do this quite well.

I agree, and I've just started.
I've got the AK pencils andI've started using them and just
barely if you'll pardon the punscratched the surface, but I
can see the potential.
I really can see the potential,and I'm not there yet.

(55:26):
I'm not nearly there yet, butI'm there enough to convince
myself.
Yeah, there's a lot of promisehere, and one of the big things
is that if you mess up, you cantake it all off and do it again.
Yep, and there are not manythings you do in modeling where,

(55:52):
if you mess up, you can justerase it and do it, try it again
.
For sure it try it again.

Mike (55:57):
For sure, I can see getting the AKs off.
But if you gaff with the PrismaSilver, what are you doing?
How do you fix that?

I don't know if you can.
I mean, I think if you tried towipe it off, I think you're
going to smudge it, but I'm nottoo sure.

I'd be interested to see if it could be brought
off with an eraser.

Mike (56:18):
I'm not sure that's a good question well, there's a source
of listener feedback for sure.
There you go for sure.
Luckily I didn't need to.
Yeah, but keeping it sharp iswas was key.
Yes, that's for sure, becauseyou can get kind of out of scale
in 70 second scale real quickeasily way easily and these
pencils are soft, so you knowyou're gonna be chipping away

(56:42):
for a little bit.

You're gonna have to stop and sharpen that thing.
I'm really serious about that.
You're gonna need a pencilsharpener right beside you.
Don't worry.
These, these things are verycheap.
A couple of bucks and you canhave a.
I think you almost have two,three dollars.
You can get two of them.
And then and I started in thevideo I went like I was really
small.
I was just like rivet head sizethat I was starting off with

(57:04):
and I was working with thisgreat photo that showed me
exactly what I wanted to have itend up looking like so the
others, the colored pencils used, were they a case?

Mike (57:13):
yeah, those were all a case now, did you, did you use
any of the the water solubilityaspect of those in your work?
I can't remember.

Just kept them sharp, Just kept them sharp,
Kept them sharp.
And I was varying the color.
So I wanted to sort of make itlook like the olive drab had
been scuffed.
So I went with sort of a buffcolor or, yeah, like a very
light brown.
I went with a green to make itlook like the primer, and then I

(57:43):
used a gray to sort of reallymark up the walkways.
And at the very, very, very end, when I was really happy with
what it looked like, I got alittle bit of powder, a little
bit of Pacific dust and I justlightly dusted it all.

If you haven't tried the water solubility
aspect, get yourself a mule andstart playing with that, because
I've started to play aroundwith that part as well and it
has some really interestingcapabilities.
Like I said, I am convincedthat these pencils can be a lot

(58:23):
once you want.
And, like anything else, ittakes practice, practice,
practice, just like learning toairbrush.

For sure.
And the other thing that I gotinto the video is you really
have to look at your subject,because I mean, I've tried the
chipping fluid, but for a lot ofapplications on airplanes these
things aren't chipped to pieces.
These are typically scuffed andscratched, as opposed to big
chunks of paint flying off of it.

(58:51):
Now, there are, of course,exceptions to that.
It really depends on whatyou're going after.
So one of the commenters in thevideo said you know, I'm going
to start combining this.
He had, I think he had aproject where he was doing
something with chipping fluidand then he was going to bring
in the pencils just to do thelight scratching at the very end
, right?
So you can mix and match someof these techniques to get what

(59:14):
you're looking for.

No, I agree.
I think that's a good point.

Mike (59:17):
Well, where do you see this going on?
A future project.
Is there anything else you wantto try with the pencils?

Well, I'm going to try and scale it down to 72.
I got some 72 builds that arecoming my way in the mail right
now and I'd like to reallynarrow that down.
But again it's going to have tobe an exercise of an extremely
fine point, like really, really,really sharp and again, finding
a great photo.

(59:43):
That's the tough one.
I would love for some listenerto be able to provide me with a
website or anything where Icould find really good high-res
photos of planes in thiscondition, because going up and
down the internet is such acrapshoot in terms of like, yeah

(01:00:05):
, you can get a picture of anairplane, this is true but when
you're looking for somethingreally specific like that, like
how the wear patterns were orexhaust patterns, stuff like
that on even on a period picture, it is hard to find.
It is really hard to find.

Kentucky Dave (01:00:21):
And I think that's really a good point that
is overlooked.
You can be really great at thetechnique, in this case the
pencil technique but if youdon't do it with reference to an
actual photograph orphotographs of the model, your

(01:00:43):
model isn't going to look right.
Things is subconsciously, Ithink, your eye knows when the
wear patterns and the scratchpatterns look right and when

(01:01:05):
they don't.
And so I do think that peoplesit there and they'll say, oh,
I'm going to weather this model,and they just start weathering
it without any reference tolooking at real world examples,
and then they don't know whytheir weathering technique

(01:01:26):
doesn't look quote unquoterealistic.
Or the plane caught measles, orthe plane caught measles.

Mike (01:01:32):
What type of subjects are the 72nd scale ones that you're
going to try this on?

Chris Wallace (01:01:36):
So I'm going to have a PBJ, which is a, a navy
variant of the mitchell that wasbrought about later in the war.
What's fascinating?
So I'm getting into these sortof like weirdo subjects where
I'm just fascinated.
So the, the f-104 wasfascinating to me because for
whatever reason, they letcanadians put nuclear weapons on

(01:01:56):
these things and I'm still kindof blown away by that concept.
For the pbj, this was beingdesigned to fly off of and
recover onto aircraft carriersin late 45, 1946 time period.
So I'm just my mind is sort oflike that is kind of it'd be
looking like an albatross tryingto land on a canoe.

(01:02:18):
You know, it just just looked alittle bit weird to me.
So I'm kind of fascinated withthat one.
And the other one that I want todo is a well, it's an RCAF, but
I think it's an RCAF Boston,which would have been late war,
well, mid-war I guess, and itwas an intruder plane that they
flew sort of like solo overfrance and it was all painted

(01:02:40):
all black, bristling withmachine guns, very little in the
way of navigational aids.
This is all you know, deadreckoning, and these canadian
pilots would just sort of orbitwhere where they think there was
a luftwaffe airbase and anytimesomeone was coming in for a
night landing, these guys wouldjust pound them.
I built one of these and theold airfix kit when I was a kid.

(01:03:01):
I always wanted to go back andredo it.
So I'm going to get the specialhobby one and I'm going to go a
little nuts on that one andrekindle some old childhood
memories.

And you talk about a subject that just is
ripe for weathering For sure Isthose night intruder schemes.
I mean, those things just gotworn to death.
That's gonna have a lot ofcharacter.
Yes, that's what we call itcharacter.

Mike (01:03:30):
Anything else on pencils?

no I think that about covers it I've got to go
get some.

Mike (01:03:36):
I've got a prismacolor silver.
That's the only one I've got.
It's the only one you need.
I've had it for ages.
I've had it for 20 yearsprobably.
It's still like two-thirds aslong as it was when I bought it.
Yeah, I do have a goodsharpener.

I recommend getting the entire AK set.
You do it once.
They will last forever Is thatwhat you did, Dave.
Yes, I did Thanks.

Mike (01:03:56):
Yes, I did Okay, Thanks to our friend Ian McCauley.
Oh, that's right, that's right,that's right.
Well, I said we're going torevisit this back during the
listener mail.
Our third and final topictonight is, from Steve
Anderson's, a Guided Journal forModelers.
Which of your future projectswould make a fun 48 hour or, you

(01:04:20):
know, extended weekend build,and what do you have to do to
make that happen?
I don't know, man, I don't knowif these, this, ever sounds fun
, but I'm going to let you gofirst.
You just can't tell the blitzbow story again, dave.

I won't tell the blitz bow story I'm going to get
.
I'm going to let a little abouta week, a little over.
I've had a conversation withJim Bates and Jim and I went to

(01:04:54):
the 2012 IPMS Nationals inDisney World in Florida IPMS
nationals in Disney World inFlorida and while we were there,
edward had just come out withtheir F6F Hellcat in 72nd scale.
It was the hot kit.
Everybody wanted it.

(01:05:15):
They were bringing them in andputting the boxes together in
the vendor room and theycouldn't keep them on the table.
Jim and I both bought onebecause we were both anxious as
heck to get this thing.
We both wanted to build itright away, and this was in 2012

(01:05:37):
.
And this was in 2012.
13 years later, we both stillhave the same kit that we bought
at the Nationals in Disney.
Neither one of us has built it.

They improve with age, david, they're like a fine
one.

That's right, that's right.

You have to wait till they peak.

Right, we're letting the fine one, that's
right.
That's right.
You have to wait till they peak, right, we're letting the
plastic breathe, that's right.
Well, because I've got a windowwhere the wife and daughter
aren't going to be home for aweek and I've got this kit that
I can do in overall glossy blue,all gloss sea blue, and I just

(01:06:24):
bought decals, decal sheet atthe Nationals in Hampton that
has something like 15 F6Fs on it.
Jim and I are going to.
We're not going to do a 48-hourbuild, we're not going to do a
72-hour or 12-hour build or24-hour build, but we are going
to attempt in the space of say,five days or so, starting

(01:06:46):
Saturday evening.
We are going to build thesekits, each one of us, and post
it on the dojo as we progress.
We're going to do the old blitzbow thing where we put the
running clock with the build oneach picture to keep track of
the time, and we're both goingto try and, from beginning to

(01:07:09):
end, build the Edward Hellcat in72nd scale.

Mike (01:07:14):
So there you go, folks.
To get this done in 48 hours ofa long weekend, dave's solution
is to make it five days now.

Now not not to violate mike's um my my rule
with me that I can't talk aboutthe previous split spells, but I
mean, I have twice completed amodel in two 12-hour sessions
over a weekend.

Mike (01:07:43):
Two more than I've ever done.
So get on you, buddy.

That's a young man's game.
I am not sure that at myadvanced age that I could do
that now, that I could take two12-hour sessions, saturday night
and Sunday night, and completea model.
I have trouble sitting at abench for that long now.

(01:08:08):
Instead of trying to do thatand not succeeding, and since I
have a window of an entire week,jim and I agreed that what we
would do is we would try and dothis over a period of four or
five days.

Mike (01:08:27):
Well, I'll be anxious to watch Now.

Chris, if you had to choose an aircraft, and your
wife and daughter are goingaway and you're going to build
for three or four days andyou're going to from start to
finish, what kit would you wouldyou select?

Mike (01:08:48):
Yeah, You've already bought the beer.
Yeah, food's all beingdelivered.

That's right.
I'd have to be strategic.
So, no, no engine, no gear,closed and simple, one, simple,
one color cockpit.
And if you don't have thatfuselage and buttoned up and
wings on it on Friday night, ifyou don't have all that done on

(01:09:13):
Friday night, my friend, I don'tthink you're going to do it.

I don't think you're gonna do it well if, if
you have it done, if you haveeverything buttoned up, wings on
basic construction done byearly saturday morning, you're
still in the glide path.
But if you're on, if you findyourself late saturday afternoon
still doing sanding andconstruction, yeah, you're not

(01:09:43):
going to finish in time.
But what kit you name?

Mike (01:09:46):
it the old Revell Waco.
It's got no engine.

Yeah, it's got about 12 parts, probably the
Hobbycraft Sabre.
You mentioned Sabres.
You could probably do it thatway.
That would probably be a prettygood candidate.
Yeah, something like that.
Single color.

(01:10:13):
Yes that's one of the reasonsthat the Hellcat appeals to me
is that I can do it overall,glossy blue.
Now, when Mike forwarded thisas a potential subject, I could
only think of one thing and Iknow that David's eyes are going
to roll because I often do thisto him, but out of all the
things in my stash, the one thatI could probably is a good
candidate for a 24-hour build ora 48-hour build would be this

(01:10:33):
Mach 2 models and it's a C-Dart.

No, you could not get that model together in 48
hours.
You could not get assemblycompleted.

David, there's six parts.
There is six parts to thisthing.
There's nothing to it.

No, you still the fit issues and the sanding.

Mike (01:10:57):
There is no way Not enough time for the putty to dry.

Exactly, exactly.
I'd have to figure that one out, but I would do it.

This would be the candidate that I would do a
quick build on, because thewhole point, it's a very simple
airplane.
At the end of it there's it'sbasically an angry Hornet.
That's what it looks like.
There's no engine on it,there's no gear, there's nothing
.
That's what it looks like.
There's no engine on it,there's no gear, there's nothing
.
And the whole point of it thatI would like to do, which I
wouldn't be able to do in the 24to 48 hours, is to make some
sort of water base for it to goin, because I've seen some neat

(01:11:30):
wakes forming behind this thingand I'd like to try that.
But the build itself, the model, it's not that hard.
Not that hard, david.

Yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it.
Okay, mike, come on, you can doarmor if you want.
Sure.

Mike (01:11:48):
That's what I was thinking .
Yeah, I've got remember thoseold Airfix blisters I bought at
our show two years ago.
Yeah, I think the Brin carrierand the six-pound anti-tank gun
would be one that could beknocked out in a long weekend.

I think that's a good choice.
And you know what else I thinkwould be good?
If you're going to go 35thscale, I think you could do a
Kubo Wagon or a US Jeep and youcould probably knock that out in
48 or 72 hours.

Mike (01:12:22):
Well, see, that gets into the biggest hangup I have, which
is, if I went something 35thscale even those two subjects I
would want to build those to alevel that I would never bother
trying to build any of thesequick builds.

Well, and that is , by the way, one thing that you
have to decide when you'redoing this type of build is this
is a palette cleanser.
I am not going to build it asif I am entering this in a
competition or writing it for amagazine review article or

(01:13:00):
anything like that.

Mike (01:13:01):
That's true, you know, maybe a Bandai Star Wars
something would work too.
That'd be cool.

Oh no, the Bandai Star Wars kits are great
choices for a Blitz build.
Relatively simple, they'rewell-fitting, their paint
schemes are actually not overlycomplex and I think those would
be a great choice for it.
Yep.

Or even one of those 48-scale kits, a 48-scale
armor that doesn't have a turret, that'll help you.
Yeah, that would help.
No turret that takes care of awhole build section for you Gone
.

Mike (01:13:40):
So we'll watch see what Dave and Jim get done.
That'll be interesting.

Well, we're fired up to do that.

Mike (01:13:47):
I don't think my even entertaining this in
conversation should be mistakenfor me signing up to do it.

No, we're not recruiting you.

Mike (01:13:57):
Not that one or any others , cause even even those blister
kits I've got that I've pickedup it's kind of something.
Well, I don't know, I wouldn'tdo a lot to them, I don't know,
maybe I could, maybe I shouldgive that some thought, maybe I
should.
You know, we've often talkedabout building outside our genre
.
That's but one way to buildoutside your comfort zone.

(01:14:19):
Trying genre that's but one wayto build outside your comfort
zone.
Trying to get through somethingin a compressed time frame is
is certainly another way to doit.
Maybe there's something to uh,maybe there's some
self-awareness to be discoveredthere yep maybe I should.
Maybe I should give it a shot.
Maybe I'm actually warming upto this idea now all right right
Real limit Fish on.

(01:14:40):
Well, you know, we thank Stevefor bringing us, bringing us
these topics in his journal, andwe've got a.
I guess we'll do this to theend of the year.
So there's a few more to pickfrom.
I don't know, we probably noteven picked half of them yet but
certainly the ones that lendthemselves better to these
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Mike (01:15:54):
Well guys, it's the Benchtop Halftime Report.
I hope we're all working onsomething.

Yes, we are.

Mike (01:16:00):
Well, we're going to start with our guests From the third
chair.
Chris, what's up on your bench?
What are you working on?

I have right in front of me an almost put
together Franken-Corsair Otakikit that's been improved with
various bits and pieces thatI've had left over.
The one thing that I'm havingfun with is learning how to use
a riveter, drawing on the lines,using a plan and getting these
rivets on it, and it's actuallygoing a lot easier than I

(01:16:30):
thought it was going to be.

Is this the first time you've riveted a model?

Yeah, it'd be the first time, and so you draw it
out and you could just freehandit.
Once you draw it, it's actuallynot that hard to freehand it
and follow your own lines.
So having fun with that one.

And what riveting tool did you get to?

do this.
I have a combo, so I am usingthese AK ones that I picked up
for 48-scale airplanes and Ihave an RB production.
I don't know if he still makesthem, but an RB production.

I think they do.

Okay, I picked that up a few years ago.

Radu Brinson.
That's right, that's right,that's right?

Mike (01:17:07):
Well, let me ask a little bit about this, because I've do
some, like you said, somefrankenkitting, some kitbashing,
some crosskitting, before.
In fact I do it fairlyregularly, but with vehicles,
armor trucks and things likethat, it would seem to lend
itself easier.
So what of the Otaki kit?

(01:17:29):
Are you using the entireairframe, wings and fuselage?

Wings, yeah, Most of the wings, most of the wings
, most of the fuselage.
So what's new is the cowlengine cockpit.
There's a few other pieces tooLanding gear, canopy and all the
little, you know, little stickybits that go on the outside.

Mike (01:17:52):
Well, a lot of that small stuff, I would think are fairly
easy swaps.
There may be some engineeringfixes because they may not
locate the same way on one kitversus the one you're trying to
put them onto Right.

But the cowl man, a scale discrepancy there could
really blow up in your face andwell, I had to take off the
cowl flaps so we're down to thefirewall, and when I did that it
just just fit on like it's.
It's actually pretty darn close.

(01:18:25):
I did need to do some body workon the top panel to get it to
join perfectly.

So are you replacing the cowl flaps?

Yeah, yeah, I'm using Tamiya cowl flaps.
Gotcha, the cockpit fit nicely,but I had to really work in the
turtle deck behind it.
I had to use a Tamiya one toget it to work right.

Mike (01:18:48):
Well, I'll be curious to see this one.
You're going to have somephotos in the upcoming video of
this thing before you prime it.

Yeah, for sure, for sure, have that done and I'm
going to paint it.
We call it an El SalvadorCorsair, with the one that's all
camouflaged Right, that's theone that I want to do.

Yeah, that's just such a nice scheme.

Mike (01:19:11):
It's one.
You don't see a lot built.

Well, actually in 72nd scale.
I have seen several people doit in 72nd scale.

Mike (01:19:20):
Yeah, I don't know that I have in any scale, so that'll be
cool.
Is that all you're working on?
Is that that thing?
That is it.
You're a one project kind ofguy.

Well, I have a couple of things in the can for
videos that I have to sort ofput together the video and the
voiceover for it, but that's theonly thing that's on my bench
right now.

Okay, just give us a tease.
What is the next?

video on.
So the next one is going to bethe full build of the CF-104.
That one I also have somethingon.
I'm going to do a short forpainting wheels.
I'll do that one and I was alsotrying to do one with some

(01:20:05):
pilot painting, but I've hadsome problems with that one.
My friends, I have someproblems.
The idea behind that is to getan easy, straightforward way of
getting a decent pilot right, adecent kit pilot, to put in
Something that's repeatable.
But I need a bit more work onthat one.

Are you telling me, this is a skill challenge
this is.

This is For sure.

Mike (01:20:28):
Well, if that's all you've got, Chris.

Dave, how's your projects coming?
We know what they are.
The Bearcat is, for all intentsand purposes, done.
It will be at the MMCL show onSaturday.
I am then going back to the SAMand the BT-7.
Going back to the SAM and theBT-7.
And then, as I teased, theHellcat will come out and get

(01:20:56):
done within four or five days,beginning to end.
And I've got to tell you, jimand I talked about this and
cooked this up this afternoon asI was driving home from work,
and we're both kind of fired upto do this, not the least of
which is it brings back memoriesfor both of us from that long

(01:21:18):
ago national.

Mike (01:21:19):
Well, good Again.
I look forward to watching thisunfold.
Yep, yep.
Well, what's left on the sand?
That's got to be, not too.

The oil detailing on the bottom, then it's just a
little bit of chipping withpencils and then put the gear
and the prop on and we're done.

Mike (01:21:41):
But it hadn't moved much since last time.

No, it has not moved at all since last time
Because I was focused rightactually getting a model
finished for the year.
The bear the bear cat is numbertwo for the year and if I get
ahead of me now well, if I canget this uh hellcat done, it'll
be three for the year.
And then I can get the samfinished by the end of the year,

(01:22:06):
that would be four for the year.
And if I can get four SAMfinished by the end of the year,
that would be four for the year.
And if I can get four done in ayear, I'm going to consider
that a win.
Well, I would.
My goal is always five, but ifI got four done, I would
consider that a win.

Mike (01:22:22):
Well, if you got four done , that puts five back on the
table of reality.
Yes, it does?

Yeah, it sure does.
So how about you?

Mike (01:22:27):
I'm still slogging away on the table of reality.

Yes, it does Yep, sure does so how about you?

Mike (01:22:31):
I'm still slogging away on the KV-85.
What?

have I done?
Well, you printed, painted andinstalled the radiators.
Right, I did.
Did I talk about that last time?
You were in the middle ofprinting?
I think you had gone back andyou'd broken it apart I can't
remember.
It's bad.

Mike (01:22:50):
Yeah, that's bad.
Yeah, well, I did go back andredo those and got them painted
and you know it went off likeclockwork.
After that I got them put backtogether and then glued into the
model and I masked the openings.
So all that went well.
I've worked on the tow cablesfor the KV-85.
All that went well.
I've worked on the tow cablesfor the KV-85.
The biggest hitch right now ishow to do the mounts for the

(01:23:14):
fender mount and fuel drums,because I'm going to have one of
them populated and three ofthem empty.
So there's a lot of intricaciesthere, and a mistake I made
early on was there are somebrackets that were molded onto
the rear parts of the fenders.
There's two at each drumlocation on each side, so eight

(01:23:35):
total, four on each side.
Well, I'd cut those off while Iwas working on the fenders
Because I had it in my headthere was a PE set somewhere
that was going to be usable forthis and I'll be darned if I
couldn't find it when it's allsaid and done, and I've got some
3D print files that I wasn'tliking the way the similar

(01:23:56):
detail was coming out.
So I just went back and duginto that second kit I had and
used my chopper and just shavedthose things off the fronts, the
edges of the fenders, of theother kit parts, and have glued
them all back on.
So now I've got to figure outwhat am I going to do for the
base brackets that these go on.

(01:24:17):
I'm probably going to come upwith a little CAD and a little
print job for that.
And then the metal straps thatactually hold the drums down is
going to be some really thinstyrene probably.

Oh, okay, you're not going to go with like photo
etch.

Mike (01:24:34):
No, there's just not a good set I can find.
I could go get like a Royalmodel set for a KV-85 or
something and the stinkingthing's going to be $60.
I've done some audacious thingswith aftermarket sets and in on

(01:24:55):
the theme of how much of it Ihaven't used right, but that
would be a new record that Ireally don't care to set.
I hear you yeah those things arejust too expensive, and panzer
art makes a nice set of drumswithout any straps on them, so I
think I'm gonna get a set ofthose.
Hopefully there'll be one maybeat the show.
I doubt it, but there could be,might get lucky.

If not, I'll order them saturday night or
sunday morning now a set, Iassume is four, a set's four,
and you're only gonna use useone, one, maybe two.
Okay.

Mike (01:25:30):
So the other is just going to have these empty straps
flopping around.
We'll see how it goes.
So that's what's next.
And I got to fix the mounts forthe tow cables.
That's not too hard.

What's wrong with the mounts on the tow cables?

Mike (01:25:45):
There's nothing wrong with them.
I just haven't put them on yet.
There's a little bracket weldednear the turret race that's got
a hole in it for the turnbucklethat they use to tension the
tow cable during stowage whenit's on the vehicle but not
being used old.

(01:26:12):
On the mark photo it's set forkv still somewhere, but haven't
located it yet.
The kit parts are okay.
They're just really thick andin a pinch I can probably file
those down and get them, getthem presentable.
But if I can find the that oldp set for that, I'll probably,
because I know those are in theset, because I've used it before
.
I know I had multiple copies ofthat set when it came out back
in the mid-80s probably.
So wish me luck in finding that.

Other than that, it's where you least expect it.

Yes.

Mike (01:26:38):
It'll be in the last place .
I look Exactly.
Because, if you find it andthen you keep looking.
That's kind of silly.
Other than the KV I started onthe suspension of the moose root
cup build, so maybe when youguys get fired up on your, your,
your f6s, I'm gonna we shoulddo a video and I'll chip away at

(01:27:00):
this while you guys arechugging along on that.
Maybe we'll do that.
That might work.
I don't want to start anythingnew now.
I did have.
I did have one of the meteorsthat I took possession of at the
National Convention.
I was rubbing one of those theother night.
That's probably going to bemore in my next aircraft.

Well, good.

Mike (01:27:16):
Gloucester Meteor F.
Probably going to start withthe F-1.

Okay, we can provide you some research on it
if you need it.

And, knowing your past, Moosaroo Cup builds it's
going to be something fun andinteresting.
I'm thinking.

Mike (01:27:32):
It will be fun and interesting.
Yes, it will.
I don't want to give too muchaway.
No, no, no, I'm just Probablynot going full money on the Fast
and Furious Driftmobile kind ofthing.
I've already seen some of thebuilds folks are doing and
honestly, I think Brian Dinklowover at build sideways podcast
has got to be liking this one.

(01:27:52):
Yeah, so we'll see what hecooks up, but that's my bench,
anything else.

That's it.

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All right guys.
Models continue to getannounced Again.
We're living in the golden ageof modeling.
Stuff is coming out faster thanI can even keep up with.
Do you have some faves andyawns?
I do, okay, give me a fave or ayawn.

Mike (01:28:41):
These are faves, I guess, since we have a choice of two
criteria.
All right, not necessarilysomething I'm going to build,
but I thought they wereinteresting.
In 148 scale, a company calledN-Scale is going to be releasing
two German trailers, anSD-ANH-53 and a 54.

(01:29:01):
Now, one of these is some kindof Luftwaffe materials trailer
and the other one, I think, is Ican't remember a toolbox or
maybe a generator yeah reallyinteresting subjects.
48 scale is great for theaircraft guys.
The downside, this is yetanother russian company that's
going to be hard to get.
If you're inclined to get it inthe first place, uh, but the

(01:29:25):
the box art looks good.
I don't know how the kits arethey're new but some interesting
things.
For the 48 scale dioramas, Iwould say.

Wallace you got one, I do.
It's not necessarily for me.
I think that I'm really lookingforward to seeing this Fine
Molds F-104 that's coming out at$172.
I blew one for you, I'm sorry,that's all right.

Stole one off my list.

I could not be more excited about this, and I'm
hoping, hoping that the salesof this just set new records for
fine molds, to the point wherethey're thinking of maybe
releasing an F-111 down the lineand something like that,
because I would be one of thefirst people in line to grab one
of those.
But this F-104 looks prettydarn good.

Well, I am hoping that they do the entire F-104
series, the Japanese F-104swhich, of course, is what makes
this attractive to fine mold.
They did.
The Japanese had a lot ofF-104s and had really, really

(01:30:30):
great paint schemes on some ofthem, and I'm betting this is
going to be a great kit, justbecause Fine Mold's recent stuff
has been phenomenal and I can'twait.
I am super anxious for this andmaybe this will get you into
building 72nd scale.

(01:30:51):
We'll get them to release aCF-104 and you can build 72nd
scale.

Mike (01:30:58):
Back to me, because you guys had the same one.

That's right Back to you.

Mike (01:31:02):
Wow.
T-model in 72nd scale.
They've announced a Humvee in72nd scale Nice, it's not very
big, it's not tiny.
72nd scale.
They've announced a Humvee in72nd scale Nice, it's not very
big, it's not tiny.
That's going to be interestingbecause there's always some
modern US armor in that scale.
That's good quality.
I think that should be popularand it could be useful for

(01:31:25):
aircraft modelers too.

No, I think that that has a lot of crossover
appeal in 72nd scale.
Chris, you got another one,yeah.

I would say a total yawn would be the
Armahobbies hurricane.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.

You're going to get angry letters from Jim Bates
.
You know that.

No, I'm just kidding.
I hope that whatever lessonthey needed to learn from the 48
scale era cobra, they theylearned that lesson and and
totally apply it to uh get backto where they were with uh with
their previous 48 scale kits andthis is looking pretty nice too
, so this would definitely be afave, for sure so I'd hope so
that's.

That's just a, I would think, a a simpler
airframe altogether, so maybe,maybe they'll get this one more
to your liking for sure well,and what's funny is that you
know, I've I've heard you andother people talk about the
difficulties of the 48 scale P39, but yet the 72nd scale P39 is

(01:32:35):
widely praised as a really greatkit.
So did they learn the lessonfrom the 48 scale kit, or
exactly how did that happen?

We do not know, we do not know, we do not know.

We do not know.
Well, my next one is a fave andit's Arma.
Arma has gone back and they aredoing 3D printed interiors and
detail parts for all their 72ndscale aircraft the p39, the

(01:33:13):
hurricane, just they're.
They're taking them all wow andjust releasing sets of 3d
printed details for theinteriors and and etc.
And I I mean you talk aboutjust those are beautiful kits to

(01:33:33):
begin with, one and all, andthe ability to upgrade the kit
by incorporating the newtechnology that the 3D printing
brings.
The detail is just so nicelooking and I can see my.
I love the Arma kits.
I have pretty much all of their72nd scale aircraft kits and I

(01:33:58):
can see me snapping up all ofthe 3D printed items that
they're going to release for allthese aircraft.
They get expensive man releasefor all these aircraft.
They get expensive, man.
You know I'm selling blood asfast as they'll let me.
I really am so, mike.

Mike (01:34:18):
I don't have any more, other than just I'm finding,
just like last month, I'mfinding it hard to find things
in the glut of 3D printed stuffcoming across, like ScaleMates.
Yeah Golly, it's just so muchstuff.
It's either wheels or figuresor armament or whatever.

(01:34:42):
It just goes on and on, and onand on.

Yeah, and everybody seems to be releasing
3D printed figures and, ofcourse, the beauty of it is they
can release them in 72nd scale,48th scale, 35th scale.
For listeners out there, if youbuy some of this stuff, please

(01:35:15):
post photos and your analysis onthe dojo, because there's so
much of this stuff and all ofthese companies are all brand
new I mean, none of them existed.
It can't all be good right theycan't all be good and help.
Help a brother out if you, ifyou buy something and it's great
, let us all know so we canpatronize that manufacturer.
And, by the same token, if it'snot so great, let us know so

(01:35:39):
that we don't get burned.
I continue to be amazed by theamount of 3D figures that are
getting put out by all of thesebrand new manufacturers.
We'll see if I got anythingelse I do, I do okay.

And going on to that, the same theme of not
knowing if we're going to getburned or not.
I I've always had a thing forthe a12, avenger A12, the Vendor
2, the Flying Dorito ModelCollect has a collection of them
out in 48 and in 72nd, but Ihave never seen or heard of one

(01:36:18):
being built from someone that Iknow and I'd love to get it.
I can't get it from my localhobby shop yet.
I don't even know if he's goingto get them, but I'd like to.
I'm neither a yawn or a yay.
What's in the middle?
Interested, interested, sure,raised eyebrow, interested.
I'm a raised eyebrow,interested.

(01:36:39):
That's what I am.

It looks so neat.
I'm with you right there.
I'm not a big what-if orprototype guy.
I could certainly see myselfgetting a 72nd scale one and
building it up as an operationalNavy aircraft and putting it on
a Bases by Bill modern carrierflight deck with an F-18 or an

(01:37:06):
F-35.
Anything else, nope.
That's it, gentlemen.
We're almost the end of theepisode.
I am assuming that yourmodeling fluids are reaching the
bottom of the glass or thebottom of the can the bottom of
the glass or the bottom of thecan?

(01:37:28):
So let's start with our guestChris.
Tighten up the velvet smokingjacket and give us your rundown
on your modeling fluid.

Well, like you said, it's a classic.
This is what my grandfatherdrank a million years ago.
This was his go-to.
So I remember buying thisbottle, maybe about I don't know
, a couple of months ago.
I thought I because I don'tusually get VO, I usually get
something else but thought Iwould think of the old man in my
own way, and it went down asit's supposed to.

(01:38:03):
There's no surprises and nodisappointments.

That's what we want out of our models and our
modeling fluid.
Mike, how about you give us thereview of Second Shift
Brewing's Brewligans?

Mike (01:38:19):
It's a pretty good IPA.
It's probably right out of thechute, the first thing I can say
about it.
For me personally, it must nothave that variety of hops in it.
That sets my allergies off.

Well, that's good , that's good.

Mike (01:38:33):
Yeah, so I haven't had to deal with the sniffly nose when
I'm trying to finish my beer.
I think it's got a little bitof a bitter bite to it.
Yes, it's not real heavy on thecitrus side.
No, it isn't.
It's a good IPA citrus side?

No, it isn't.

Mike (01:38:50):
It's a good IPA, but it's not what I would call.
It's not one that's I'm nottrying to disparage it, it's
just not one that's.
A citrus leaner, I guess, isthe best way to say it, right,
because those are a littleeasier to drink, in my opinion.

I agree, my opinion, I agree.
I prefer a citrusy IPA, justsimply because the citrus takes
a little bite of the IPA hopsthe hoppiness out of it.
Now, this is 6% alcohol byvolume, so it's a pretty easy
drink.
It's not going to hit you inthe face with a hammer, which

(01:39:26):
some IPAs can do sometimes, inthe face with a hammer, which
some IPAs can do sometimes.
Bob Delaney, thank you forsupplying it to us.
Get to try a new beer andappreciate that.
Okay, we are truly at the endof the episode, so before we go,

(01:39:47):
let's do some shout outs.
Mike, do you have a shout outor two?

Mike (01:39:54):
Well, I got to shout out the folks who have chosen to
support Plastic Model Mojothrough their generosity.
We appreciate that very much.
We're a self and listenersupported affair around here, so
everything folks are willing todo for us helps us out.
We've set up several avenuesfor folks to be able to do that.
To make it as easy as possible,you can sign up for a recurring
contribution on Patreon.
You can give us a one-time shotor manage your own recurring

(01:40:16):
contribution on PayPal, andwe've also got Buy Me a Coffee
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You can find links to all thesethings in the show notes of
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There's a support show tab.
You can get to it that way.
So, folks, we're keeping thistrain going down the track.

(01:40:39):
We appreciate all thecontributions.
It's all been a great help andmakes it a lot easier for us to
bring you more content.
Thank you very much.

I will second that, of course.
Thank you very much.
With a company called VespaModels and he had a table.
I actually bought some rivetdecals from him, but his
company's out of South America Idon't remember which country,

(01:41:21):
it's wwwvespa, v-e-s-p-amodelscom and they do 72nd scale
and 48th scale aircraft detailparts and decals focusing on
South American aviation,particularly South American air

(01:41:42):
forces, and I took a look attheir website and they've got a
lot of interesting stuff and ifyou're inclined toward that sort
of thing, take a look at it andI think you'll enjoy it.
Mr Wallace, we're back to you,thank you.

So, now that I have a chance to gather some of
my thoughts, I think myshout-out is going to go to you
guys on the Moj.
You guys have been absolutelygreat.
I first met you guys thinkingback to the deep, dark depths of
of 2020.
Um, I first yeah, first met youguys and ever since then you've
been nothing but supportive ofof me and my channel.

(01:42:21):
You give me regular shout outs.
So much appreciate it.
It's been a real pleasureknowing you guys and thank you
for having me on the show.
Well, I appreciate that.

Mike (01:42:30):
Well, we look forward to our next trip to Canada.

Yes, that's right , I got to get my passport
renewed.
Yes, you do.

Mike (01:42:39):
And hopefully you get the dig squared away.

I don't know how.
I don't know how we're going toget closer, but I'll try.

Mike (01:42:45):
Yeah, that's right.
I think we were close enough.
If you can fix that one again,that'll be perfect.

No, we're going to end up.
He's going to get us beds inthe gift shop.
We're going to end up sleepingin the museum.
Yeah, in the cots.
Exactly, it's the only way youcould get us closer.

I'll see what I can do.

Mike (01:43:03):
Oh, they got a DC-3 with stretchers in the back of it.

Oh that would be fun.

Mike (01:43:08):
There you go.
No, it wouldn't.
For one night it might be Onewindy, cold night.
Well, Chris, thanks for joiningus.
We appreciate it.
The pleasure is all mine.
And letting us dig a littledeeper, scratch a little deeper
on your latest videos so folkscan go to Model Airplane Maker
on YouTube to find the videosfor the subjects we talked about

(01:43:28):
tonight.
Everything but the 48, the 48hour kind of build that, that's
not a crisp video.

Could, be, yeah, it could be a lot of hilarity in
that video.
I think that would be somepotential there.

Mike (01:43:40):
Probably would be.
Well, we hope to see you at thenational convention in 2026.
That's, that's shaping up to bea grand time there and, dave,
as we always say, so many kids,so little time take it easy,
guys, chris.
Thanks again, see you.

Saturday.

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