Moson Show and Shop Talk with PanzerMeister36, : PMM Episode 141

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The Voice of Bob (Bair) (00:12):
Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo, a
podcast dedicated to scalemodeling, as well as the news
and events around the hobby.
Let's join Mike and KentuckyDave as they strive to be
informative, entertaining andhelp you keep your modeling mojo
alive.

Mike (00:41):
All right, Kentucky Dave.
Episode 141.
May is trotting along here, man, and we're close to the end,
Moving quick.

Kentucky Dave (00:49):
Moving very quick .

Mike (00:50):
Well, we're not alone tonight.
Panzermeister 36, evanMcCallum's with us in the third
chair.
Evan, how you been, man, I'vebeen very good, thank you.

You're up in an undisclosed location somewhere
in Canada.

Evan McCallum (01:03):
Yes, maybe For the long weekend.

Mike (01:07):
Well, happy Victoria Day.
Thank you, you know I waslooking back.
Has it been since February oflast year?

since you've been on the show, it's been a little
while I guess yeah, sorry aboutthat man, it doesn't feel like
that because we see each otherat IPMS, Nats and at HeritageCon
.

Mike (01:23):
Yeah, I think there's two HeritageCons and a Nats, and I
know we've seen you at leastthree times since then.
So it makes the time pass fast,but we'll try to do better next
time.
That's a long time.
You're a good guest to have andwe like having you on, so we'll
see what happens, but untilthen, what's up in your model
sphere, evan?
Oh, man.

After coming back from the mozan show and also
heritage con before that, I'vebeen very inspired to work on
models, but I've also beenhaving a bit of a inability to
focus on just one of that onething.
I'm going back and forthbetween all these projects and I
think I need to start somethingfresh and and focus on
something to get somethingactually finished.
That's also why there's been novideo since january.
I can't.
It's like everything's at thispoint where it's just dragging
along with detail, painting andstowage and I can't make

(02:08):
appreciable big steps onsomething which is satisfying
right.

Yeah, I was going to complain about that because,
man, you're making it hard forme to get you to 100,000
subscribers.

Mike (02:21):
But then you remember how much he's paying for it.
Yeah, exactly, I shouldn't sayanything.
Well, I mean, I hope you figurethat out, man, it always sucks
when stuff stagnates.
So you know the devil's in thedetails.
So you got a lot of popcorn topaint and glue on the model and
all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, I think I need a John Badani palette,
cleanser, slammer, build kind ofthing to get me back in the I
don't know what do you call it,I guess in the mojo right To
finish something and focus onsomething.
There you go.

Well, that was kind of like your BT2.

Was it a BT2?
Yes, that's what I did, andI've got a BT7.
That might be the next thingthat will be my slammer build.
We'll see.

Mike (03:01):
Well, dave, what about?

you man.
Uh well, may is in full swing.
I've been doing a little bit,but I'm I'm having trouble
getting to the bench.
Spring is in full swing, whereI can draw you a map.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
We're opening the pool.
I've been working in the in theyard every weekend, as you know

(03:23):
, because you and I talk to eachother or text each other in the
yard every weekend, as you know, because you and I talk to each
other or text each other in theweekends, and they've been
pretty darn full.
So about the only bench timeI'm getting is when I'm getting
down to the bench late at nightjust for a little bit of time,
and most of the time I'm tooexhausted.
So my model sphere is unfocused, although I have been doing

(03:46):
some organizing and that'smaking me feel a little better.

Mike (03:49):
That's turned into a cop-out answer, though I know I
know.

Dave, there has to be some 15-year-old kid on
the street.
You can pay 20 bucks.
He can come mow your lawn,listen to OTB for you and you
can get down to the bench foryou and you can get down to the
bench.

Well, if you can find him, that's a thing.
If you find that guy who'll doit for 15 bucks, you send him my
way.

Mike (04:16):
Well, that and Evan, we should start a weekly conference
call and do this floatingworkbench design.
You can just take it out to theswimming pool.

There you go.
Well, you know, I've got thoseHoward floats, I know, so I'm
halfway there already.

Mike (04:34):
You need to arm those things.
So when Goldfence comes back,you guys can play wooden ships
and iron men.

There you go, man , but that's my model sphere.
How about yours, mike?

Mike (04:44):
Man, this Raboboton thing.
Folks, if you're tired ofhearing about it, I'm sorry, but
I'm going to keep talking aboutit, because this thing comes
and fits and starts, and rightnow we're in a start and it's
kind of like manic depressive, Iguess.
So I'm manic on this programright now, and you know I'd
posted those.
Well, let me back up.
You know I'd posted those.

(05:19):
Well, let me back up.
Somewhere over the course ofthis project, somebody or
somewhere, I found about a halfa contact, the guy that runs the
Huns on Wheels we talked aboutthis last episode, he and
another guy Well, there'sanother guy he put me in contact
with who's actually done a 3Dmodel already Same thing I'm
doing.
Right, I doubt I'll do theentire truck because I'm not
going to make it that way, butanyway, he's done the whole

(05:40):
thing and it turns out the onepart of the chassis ladder that
I was still confused about he istoo, which kind of surprised me
.
So I sent all the photographsto the Huns on Wheels guy and he
posted them on his Facebookpage.

(06:00):
And it turns out there's a guythat chimed in kind of vaguely,
that knew of this truck and knewwhere it was and as it's played
out a little bit.
He's one of the principles inthe restoration of it, but for
some reason they're keeping thisthing severely under wraps and
he's not been real cooperative.
Well, today, well, when didthis happen?
I noticed he was friends withanother person I know in Hungary

(06:24):
and I reached out to him andsaid hey, do you know this other
guy?
I noticed he was friends withanother person I know in Hungary
, Right, and I reached out tohim and said hey, do you know
this other guy?
He's going on about this truckand these photographs I posted.
And the short of it is he was alittle guarded against being
involved with that guy forvarious reasons and kind of the
whole reason for keeping thething under wraps was a little
bit silly and selfish.

(06:45):
So we're still kind of sortingthat out, but he's like just
hang on till Monday.
I'm busy this weekend, Justwe'll talk Monday.
Well, about six hours ago I geta image dump from my friend and
he has sent me.
It's a photograph, it's not ascan.
I'm trying to get a scan fromit, but he sent me a photograph

(07:06):
of an original Raboblue print ofthe chassis ladder.
There you go.
Nice, it's the whole freakingthing Nice, it's just it's the
side rails and everything thatruns transverse across it.
So it answers a lot of questions.
Answers a lot of questions.
It's a top view, a bottom view,a section view, and when he

(07:27):
took the photo he cut the frontand back off.
So I got to go back and see ifhe'll figure that out.
But I'm also going to ask ifhe'll just take it somewhere and
just get the damn thing scanned.
And he also sent me a coupleother images that were it looks
like the same part but on adifferent truck chassis.
That's got a little bit moredetail.
So it's kind of cool.
So this thing's moving alongand honestly I think I shared

(07:50):
photos of that, my latest printson the dojo.
If I haven't, I need to, butyou know, my first informed
guess was pretty damn close,Close enough that I don't know
that I'm going to change it.

Well, being an engineer, that does not surprise
me that your guess would havebeen pretty close.

Mike (08:08):
I thought there'd be something I was incredibly wrong
about, but turns out maybe not,so I don't know.
Interesting Keeps going.
I think I've put the chassis tobed.
But we'll get to that in theBench Top Halftime Report.
But that's where that's going,kind of the drama around the
information.

So how much more work are you going to have to
sink in before IBG or GeckoModels announces this kit right
underneath you?

Mike (08:34):
That's a real good question.
I don't know, because I knowthe person who I was put in
contact with via the guy whoruns the Huns on Wheels Facebook
page has already submitted kindof a.
It's a book, but it's one ofthose you know, it's it's 3d
model and they dissect the thingand show you all the components
.
It's one of those kinds of thatkind of book is kind of under

(08:56):
works, in the works right now.
It sounds like and that's justmy speculation based on the way
he talked about it.
I think once that happens, it'spotentially I mean, I think
you're right, evan, I thinksomebody might do it.
I'm going to keep pluggingalong.

This seems like the kind of subject that would
be expected from IBG or, like Isaid, Gecko models, because they
kind of do those kind of likesecondary access country soft
skin vehicles like Italian stuff, and it's usually pretty cool.

Yep.

But hopefully you get yours done first and
actually get to print it up andenjoy it before you get stabbed
in the back He'll be threequarters of the way through the
scratch build when the kit comesout, oh yeah, as long as it's
better than the kit.

I bet it will be, I'm sure it will.

Mike (09:40):
Well, enough of model spheres.
We got plenty of listener mailman.

Well, well, enough of model spheres.
We got plenty of listener mailman Well hang on Before we get
to listener mail.

Mike (09:47):
Oh, I skipped a thing.
I got that one right in frontof me and didn't even read it.

All right, before we get to listener mail, evan,
do you have a modeling fluidtonight?

Indeed, I do.
I have Juicebox Hazy IPA bySons of Kent Strong beer.
I bet, yeah, it's a nice 6.9%ABV.
Oh that's medium.
It looks good.
It's supposed to be one ofthose maybe you'd call it like a
northeast IPA style, where it'smore of a citrus hop than a

(10:21):
pine hop, as a western one wouldbe.
And I prefer this type, so metoo.

We will see how it goes, Mike.
What do you have?

Mike (10:31):
Uh, I've got a little bit of bullet tonight.
Good choice.
Yeah, I was a little budgetminded here of late per our
offline discussions and, uh,that one fit the bill cause it
wasn't very expensive.
I knew I'd like it, so nothingnew there.
What about you, man?

I got this beer called Beer Garten Blonde by
Braumeister Brewing Company outof Carleton, Ontario.
A listener gave it to us.
I'm not sure who the listenerwas.
Take notes man, I know who itwas.
It was Evan.

Half the reason I like Braumeister is because it
sounds like my PanzermeisterYouTube channel name.

Maybe, you need a beer label.

I need a sponsorship.

Right, I was doing that to see if I could get
a rise out of Evan.
That's not bad.
That's not bad at all.
I could get a rise out of Evan.
That's not bad.
That's not bad at all.
So I'll let.
I'll give you a report when weget to the end, but it's
promising to start with.

Mike (11:31):
All right, well, we can get the listener mail now.

Now we can get the listener mail.

Mike (11:36):
All right, how much you got?
I got a few.
You know we were.
We were for a few days out ofthe shoot.
We were a little worried aboutthe, the feedback around the
last episode.
But boy, that self-corrected,so go ahead I will.
First up is from a past guest,steve Anderson.
He's got a new question for usAll right, probably one he ought

(11:59):
to add to the next edition ofhis book, his journal.
His wife got him the ArmahHobby Cactus Air Force Deluxe
set, oh nice, featuring the P-39, the F4F-4.
Yep, all in one box.

Yes, it is.

Mike (12:20):
And he'd been eyeballing that since it came out, and he
wants to know what is ourfavorite modeling-themed
birthday gift, why it's ourfavorite.
Who gave it to us?
He supposes buying it forourselves on our birthday would
work, but that's kind of out ofthe spirit of his question.

Yeah.

Mike (12:36):
So what's going on?
He says he's a very lucky manwith a model wife.

He is indeed model wife.
He is indeed.
Well, I'll start in general,because of my stash, to begin
with, and because of my bookcollection.
I have a lot, and so mostly mywife and children stick to
non-modeling gifts.
Although I will say, forChristmas my oldest daughter got

(13:06):
me a new wet palette which Ishould be breaking out sometime
soon.
But in general, I mean I'vegotten gift cards to the local
hobby shop and that's alwayswell appreciated, but in general
they've stayed away from themodel themed gifts, simply
because of simply because of thedepth and breadth of what I

(13:30):
already have.
I understand that.
How about you, evan?

This might be relatable to many other modelers
out there, where you're kind ofat the point where you already
have a lot of crap and you'revery particular about the kind
of stuff you buy.
So usually when people want tobuy you a kit, they kind of just
ask you what you want, you knowRight, and so you can tell them
I'm interested in these kits orwhatever, and then that shows

(13:55):
up.
So I haven't been surprisedwith a lot of kits, because
often I'll tell people what I'mlooking for.
But for Christmas my fiance gotme one of those Tamiya dinosaur
kits.
It's the Parasaurolophilus,whatever it is Right, the one
with, like the trumpet builtinto his head.
Yeah, and in the past I think Itold her and this is how she

(14:19):
got the idea but I told her itwould be cool to do a dinosaur
because it's a bit different.
But you kind of still painted acamouflage in the end, right?

Well, I was going to ask you know those are 35th
scale Exactly Are you going topaint it in an ambush scheme?

Yeah, I'll put the US stars or German markings
on it.
No, I'll do it pretty seriously, but it looks like a pretty
good kit and it'll be somethingdifferent and you can make a
little diorama.
It comes with some littlepterodactyls and stuff too,
something out of the ordinarybut still kind of in the same
realm of my usual builds.

(14:55):
You know, no clear parts orwings or anything like an
aircraft Right.

So I have seen some of those kits done up.
I mean super nice, superwell-painted, and they can build
up to be impressive kits.

Yeah, I think it's verging more on a figure
where a lot of the work isactually in the painting, not in
the detailing or assembly Ican't add.
Aftermarket tool clamps to it.

Yeah, photo etch.
I'm afraid you've got to addphoto etch.

Mike (15:27):
It's like photo etch teeth or something I don't know.

I was thinking the other end, but that's okay.

Mike (15:34):
For me.
I don't know Birthday, maybenot, but I'm going to dig way
back.
Okay, I mean, I've gotten a lotof model stuff paintbrush sets,
kits, all that but, man, when Iwas in high school.
So I'm going way back.

Oh, this is Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Mike (15:52):
Yeah, 1985.
The girls dating in high schoolconspired with my mother to get
me.
It was a Christmas present, itwasn't birthday, so I'm changing
the holiday.
I hope that's all right.
That's okay.
Got me two books.
I got an Osprey book and one ofthe Squadron Signal books.

I still got them, but the girlfriend's no longer
around.

Mike (16:12):
No, she's happily married and moved on.
Yeah.

That's life, man.

Mike (16:23):
Who can blame her?
Oh, moving on from Monterey,california.
Stephen Joris, I think that'sright and I'm going to miss him,
Dave, but he's coming toWonderfest the end of May.
I don't know if you're planningon making a pop in.
Yes, he a pop in.

(16:44):
Yes, he is coming in.
He's going to be here for a fewdays and he's going to have a
rental car, so we'll handle thisone offline.
He's wanting to know some stuffto do in the greater Louisville
area.
Oh, we can hook him up, so Iwill forward you this one.
Okay, steven, thanks forwriting in and we'll get you.

(17:04):
We'll get you hooked up.
Restaurants, museums, hiking,etc.
Is what he's got here.
So, oh, should be no problemyep, none whatsoever the next
one from Sullivan, indiana, orSullivan, indiana?
that's a great question, I don'tknow.
I have to Google map that.
Stephen McDonald.
Now he wrote in and this is oneof those that's kind of

(17:27):
sprouted wings and startedgetting around.
Stephen wrote in about realspace.
Models, was an engineer and hewas thinking he would like to.

(17:47):
He was a modeler, he's going toget his dad into modeling and
he thought real space would bethe way to go and and not being
versed in that, he was having alittle trouble navigating that
space and trying to figure outwhere to get stuff and what was
even available and and all that.

Anyway, I well, my guy at a cabbage would be
somebody to I was going to sayI'd put him in touch with my guy
at a cabbage.

Mike (18:09):
To put him into contact with, and I did and Mike took
the ball and ran with it andsent him a bunch of links and
started a little conversation.
So that was really good to seethat the community stepped up
there and my old friend Mikehelped him out.

Well, the real space community is man.
You want to talk about outreachand enthusiasm and camaraderie.
The real space guys have it.
I mean, they're alltechnophiles and they're all
forward looking and they justlove running into somebody else
with the same passion that theyhave well, he also has a passion

(18:48):
for bourbon and three floyds,being from the midwest good by
the way, sullivan is south ofterre haute.

Mike (18:56):
Okay, I looked it up well, I'm glad that worked out and
I'm be curious to he's alreadysent me back one response or
update.
I'm be real curious where thatworks out.
So appreciate that.
Appreciate Mike stepping up andtaking that one for us.

I knew he would.

Mike (19:12):
Well, this one's interesting.
He's kind of overlaps you, evan, and your recent travel, which
we'll get to later.
But from Texas, our friend AdamColeman yeah, now he's.
He was the guest last year forthe Moshon show, right?
Uh, he's got a Hungarian wifeand he, he goes every year and I
should have flipping, rememberit and put you two guys in

(19:33):
contact with each other.
He sent me a really good email.
It's got some good informationhere, but at the top of it is he
, he.
He went to Moshon again.
He says the chief judge is areally good friend of his, so he
got to see a lot of thebehind-the-scenes stuff going on
Commenting.
The vendor halls wereincredible.
So, Evan, you're going to haveto substantiate that in a little

(19:53):
while, or not, we'll see.
Maybe have varied opinions.

No, no, no, it was fantastic.

Mike (20:03):
But a couple of things from episode 140.
There's a question about decalcreation from old, washed out or
cracked, non-functional decals,and Adam builds a lot of stuff
from pre-1980 and he runs intothis issue a lot and he uses HD
decals or hobbyistdecalscom fromIndia.
Yes, I've heard of these guys?
Yes, and somebody elsementioned this.

Yes, they did.

Mike (20:25):
And I don't think it was Adam.
No, he says they're really easyto communicate with.
You send them a scanned copyand measurements or whatever
they need to work from, and thenthey'll make it for you.
He just recently did a wholesheet for an Airfix ship kit he
was working on, and for that onekit the sheet was like $35,
including shipping.

God For that one kit.
The sheet was like $35,including shipping.
God, it's amazing.
Because of the internet andbecause of all this technology,
you can order custom-made decalsfrom halfway around the world.

Mike (20:57):
Now that sounds like a lot compared to like an $8
mass-produced sheet fromsomebody right Right, but for
something one-off, exactly,that's really not bad.

No, no With shipping and all from again
halfway around the world.

Mike (21:17):
And I assume they would do custom stuff too.
Yeah, I checked out the site.
We'll put the link in the shownotes and kind of interesting
because that's a good service ifit's working out.
He's also friends with thegentleman who runs Huns on
Wheels and he gave me a littlebit of information there and
encouragement there to keepworking that line of contact.
And he mentions the RaybouldBaton and he says there's only

(21:41):
one example of truck left inHungary and now after a week of
poking around I know that's nolonger true.
There's actually two.
One of them is a lot nicer thanthe other one but there are two
.
And again he mentions theperson from Huns on Wheels.
But finally the crux of hisemail is he is now the sole US
distributor for Liang Hobby.
Now they make kind of a lot ofstuff.

(22:04):
They've got some 3D printed andassembled tools they do.
They've got some figures andthey've got some paint masks,
some stencil type paint masks.

Yeah, I've got a bit of their products.
It's pretty good.
I think it's by the guy whoalso maybe currently or used to
be a designer for T-Rex Studio.
Okay, I have a figure from themalso.
Maybe currently or used to be adesigner for T-Rex Studio.
I have a figure from them andalso a set of boot stamp prints.

Mike (22:31):
Yeah, the boot stamps Make the boot stamps, that's right.
It all looks good, well good.
So I've got a littleconversation to have with Adam
about that in the future.
But thanks for writing in, adam, and it's good to hear about
this decal company especially.
That should be helpful to a lotof people.

Indeed, john Bryan from Croydon in the UK as
opposed to Croydon Indiana.
Just up the road it's Croydon,not Croydon, I know.

Mike (22:58):
Got some letters rearranged.

I know.

Mike (23:03):
I'm joking.
He's really enjoyed the 3Dprint episode.
It's the first of a couplewe'll have along that line and I
think you mentioned this in thepodcast in 140, and I made
reference to that on the dojo,but he mentions that probably
the thing holding back thesmall-scale manufacturer of
aircraft and 3D prints is clearparts.

(23:25):
Yes, and that did make senseuntil this week on ScaleMates.
And what about this week?
On ScaleMates?
A particular company in Ukrainehas started doing some real
small-scale 1-to-1-44 scale, butthe clear parts are vacuformed
over 3D-printed bucks.

Yep, and that makes sense.
That was.
I think that was the way thatproblem was always going to be
solved.

Mike (23:51):
And it looks like most of them come with two.
So yeah.

That's always good.
Yes, whenever you're dealingwith vacuformed canopies, the
manufacturers if you're outthere listening any
manufacturers who supplyvacuformed canopies should
supply two copies and the buck.

Mike (24:09):
Well, you know, it's good to know that and we'll keep an
eye on that.
The company was Metallic Models, I think is the name of the
company in Ukraine.
They make a pretty wide varietyof things.
I've got some armor resinupgrades from them.
But uh, back to this topic.
It's, it's just, it's good tosee this, even even though it's

(24:30):
on the small scale side of thespectrum.
Now, you know, 70 seconds next,probably.

Oh yeah, for sure .

Mike (24:36):
Well, you know cause.
They're printing.
I don't know if of them arealready, are you know already?
Wing on fuselage right, which,for most of the smaller 3d
printers, is not something youcan do, it's just, it's just too
big, but for one to 144 scaleit's working out good.
But but the canopies?
You could just sell canopiesright, right so, and maybe we'll

(24:59):
see more kits.
It'd be curious to see what,what this, what comes of this,
because I think, yeah, that'sthe, that's the obvious solution
.
That wasn't so obvious when wewere talking about it the first
time.

Yeah.

Mike (25:11):
And next is our friend Ken Beckler, over in Indiana as
well, or Illinois, actually thePeoria gang.
He's going over to the UK soloand he's meeting Tom Choi over
there for Telford and he's goingto a bunch of museums and he's
taking photo requests from usand I don't know if we'll have
any, but it's just realthoughtful of Ken to do that and

(25:34):
you know if he's going to beover there.
If you got something you'reinterested in, dave, maybe we
ought to talk to him.

But uh, send him over to hungary and ask him to
crawl under the ray.

Mike (25:42):
But yeah, that'd help a lot, you could have sent me
there I was.
I was in hungary a month agoyeah, yeah, I know this all kind
of happened after you got home.
Yeah, boy ken also sent me somephotos a really nice, really
nice Volvo V70R that was forsale.
That's just, man, timing's notright, but I appreciate it.
Maybe next time.

You got a hankering man.

Mike (26:07):
Well, got a second one going to college man.

I know you don't have to tell me I'm in the same
boat, brother.

Mike (26:16):
Well we got an email through the new feedback link in
the show notes.
Yay, lauren Steffers from theNetherlands.
He may have written in beforeunder our normal channel.
The name sounds familiar, buthe really liked the idea of a
ScaleMaze type thingspecifically for 3D add-ons,
which I think is a good idea.
I, I don't know, I it'd be niceif there's some kind of

(26:38):
repository for reviews andthings right, and he started a
youtube channel.
We'll put this link in the shownotes as well, but his first
video is is the purchase andprint of an stl file and seeing
how it all goes down in the end,right, and this is a theme he
wants to kind of double down onand continue with.

He's gotten inspiration from Evan and his 3D
printed track reviews.

That was a big financial investment.
Yes, I know it was.
Those tracks ain't cheap.
Now, most of them were good inthe end, but it's not cheap to
buy a whole bunch of 3D printsand compare them.

Mike (27:14):
Well, I haven't looked in a while.
Is that still going crazy or isthat kind of panned out?

I think the tracks thing is pretty well
panned out.
I haven't seen any.
I mean when I when I gave upwe'll say after about I think,
as Dave said, maybe 16 differenttracks.
Afterwards I saw a few morecome out.
This would have been almost twoyears ago.
Now a few more popped up, butsince then I haven't really

(27:40):
noticed that many more.
I think the market's prettysaturated, especially with frio
model now back because it wasbought by a new individual
actually they were at the mojonshow.
So with them back and I thinkalso with people from China now
importing master club tracksthrough Russia and making those
available again, I think there'sa lot of options in the market.

(28:02):
So I mean it's not a problem.
There's already too many 3dprinted tracks in the market.

Mike (28:08):
So got to wonder if anybody's making money on them.
Yeah, so no part three, I hopenot.
Probably wise, probably wise.

I'm pretty happy, like the top three brands I
found were fantastic, and Ican't imagine anything being
better, unless you have a littlesweatshop child actually
assembled them for youbeforehand.
I don't know.

Mike (28:31):
Well, I mentioned Mike Iadacavage before and he's down
in Marietta, georgia, to give alittle geography.
He also appreciated the 3Dprinting episode because kind of
the tail end of his career hewas and maybe still is.
I can't remember if Mike'sretired or not, he'll correct me
, I'm sure but he was becausehe's chemical, he's a chemist
and he was doing 3D resindevelopment at one point in the

(28:54):
latter part of his career mostrecent part of his career, and
he just had some comments.
You know we keep talking aboutthe fact these things are
brittle.
He sends some information thatthis is not necessarily an
inherent properties materials.
There are resins out there forthe various print technologies
that can produce pretty robustresins as far as impact

(29:17):
resistance and brittleness andkind of the reason why a lot of
the printed model parts tend tobe brittle is that a lot of
these hobby printers are runningoff these low-cost kind of
resin formulations.

Yeah, or they're being overexposed as well.

Mike (29:47):
Right, which are brittle, yeah, or they're being
overexposed as well, but still,I think it's an access problem,
that the resins most of thesepeople are using are the ones
that are readily available tothese hobby printers, and I
think that's why the brittlenessis probably as rampant as it
seems.
Then he goes on to second andhe forwarded me some graphics

(30:08):
about 3d print resident andprint safety handling.
Because stuff's kind of nasty,honestly, and it's kind of
compounded because you're usingalcohol to to do all your
cleaning with.
Well, there's some water-basedrinseable resins now, but
alcohol is like readily absorbedby your skin.
So if you got a bunch of 3dprint resin suspended in it and

(30:31):
you get it on your hands, it'sjust kind of it's like a short
circuit into your into your body.
I'll post these graphics on thedojo because they're just some
pretty basic stuff, but we wanteverybody to be safe.

Yes, absolutely.
We in the hobby deal with somepretty nasty chemicals and there
are consequences to not beingcareful chemicals and there are
consequences to not beingcareful.
They may not seem readilyapparent at the time, but you
stretch that over a hobby of 30or 40 years, you can do some

(31:05):
damage.

Mike (31:07):
Well, we'll get these up and encourage everybody to be
safe with this stuff.
Admittingly, I'm probably notas good as I should be.
Luckily, the printer I useoffers a pretty good opportunity
for a lot of hands-off kind ofhandling of this stuff.
Yeah, but most do not.

Now, you mentioned this just a minute ago
, but I was speaking when I wasdoing my reviews on the tracks.
I was speaking with some of themanufacturers and they did
agree that the resin is not abig expense.
Not a big expense.
A lot of the expense is laborin cleaning up the parts that
are going to be bagged up, doingquality control, especially
these guys that are one or twoman shows making tracks or other
accessories.

(31:43):
Another thing I am hearing mixedopinions about regarding 3d
printed stuff for scale modelingis a lot of companies, when you
, when you buy the accessory andyou look at the package, it
says don't expose it to uv light, like make sure it's not
sitting out in your workbenchfor a while because it can
become brittle.
But some people say that's nottrue because it already should

(32:05):
be solidified, because it was,you know, already printed, and
so I wonder if there's anypeople out there who are smart
chemical engineers you, you know, like your listener here who
can actually confirm or deny ifit is true that these resins are
susceptible to maybe moisturein the air, uv exposure and I
know a lot of us stash stuffaway for, you know, 10 years in

(32:29):
our workbench for a project longdown the future?
Are these things going to belike?
We're not that far along the 3dprinting in the hobby yet?
This has only been been a thingfor maybe five years at this
point?
Yeah, at least like big scale?
Yeah, I'd say where you'regoing with this.
Yeah, are you gonna 10 yearswhen I crack open?
Yeah, all this stuff I boughtat mojan is it just gonna be

(32:51):
like a pile of sand?

is it?

gonna bags of goo .
Yeah exactly?

is it gonna melt or be super?
A pile of sand Bags of goo.
Yeah, exactly Is it going tomelt or be super brittle?
I hear mixed opinions aboutthis.
It also might depend entirelyon the resin as well.

Yeah.

Mike (33:03):
Up next from Dallas, Oregon, Michael Parr, and
considering we're all on theinternet quite a bit, this is an
interesting question.
He belongs to a dozen or soFacebook groups, dozens plural.
In all these groups, it wouldbe appropriate to post pictures
of your models.

Right.

Mike (33:21):
And he's asking us because we're the last one he listened
to, but a lot of the podcastsare asking listeners to post on
their sites.
The posse's got their page, thegeek's got theirs and the
insanity's got theirs and we gotours got their page, the geeks
got theirs and the insanity'sgot theirs and we got ours.
And he says back in the day hewould post a hyperscale and feel
good that a lot of modelerswere seeing his work, at least

(33:42):
in the United States, and Ididn't know what to do.
He didn't want to span theinternet by posting the same
pictures across multiple pages,but he still wants people to see
his work and get to talk aboutit and comment about it and all
that he says.
Does he pick a favorite placeto post these and stick to it?
Does he spam the Internet?
What's he do?
Well, he probably hasn't postedmuch in the last two years.

(34:03):
He's just kind of perplexed asto what is apropos or in good
faith to do this.

Well, my suggestion and this is just my
suggestion there's nothing wrongwith posting it to every
Facebook group you belong to,and if a lot of other people
belong to the same Facebookgroups, they may see your model
multiple times.
If you don't want to do that,what I would suggest is pick two

(34:33):
or three places, your favoritetwo or three places.
Or if, let's say, you built aT-34 and one of the groups you
belong to is the T-34 modelinggroup on Facebook, obviously,
even if you wouldn't normallypost there, you definitely want

(34:54):
to post that there becausethat's going to be where the
most people with the interest inthat particular model are going
to be congregated, so you'regoing to get the most feedback,
the most views of it.
But that's personally, for me,that's, you know.
I pick one or two places andthat's it.

Yeah, I agree with you there.
I mean, a bit of a pet peeve ofmine is when I might scroll
through Facebook and I see thesame post like six times in the
span of 30 seconds.
Yeah, I'm with you there.
But that's like the smallestproblem of my entire day, right.
I can just scroll past it, itdoesn't really matter.

Right, it just means you have to move your
finger a little faster.

I find that when I post something to multiple
groups, when I try to go backand read the comments, like the
discussion is being split acrossso many different ways.
I think it's almost likespreading the knowledge away,
when it could be focused andpeople who are interested could
be actually, you know, gettingall the information if I only
posted it in one spot.
Now what I usually do now.

(35:59):
Now I don't post a lot onFacebook because I don't finish
enough stuff recently, but Ithink a lot of our, I think a
lot of our community, especiallyour close friends, are already
all in the same groups to beginwith.
So I kind of spread my postsbetween, like, I'll post one
update in one group and then thenext update, I'll post the next
group and then, becauseeveryone's probably going to see

(36:21):
it either way, because they'reall right groups, right, yeah so
, but also I have my own pageassociated with my channel,
which is just for me to poststuff.
So I'll kind of post it thereand then I might share it to one
group or the next group,depending on, like you said, if
it's a special interest groupfor actor ads or T34s, I'll post
it there as well, becausethere's also experts in that

(36:41):
group who can give me some goodfeedback as well.
But it all depends on whatyou're looking for.
Are you looking for feedback orjust sharing your work or
inspiring other people?
There's very technical groupsand there's also more generic
groups where people are justhappy to see a nice model.
So it depends what you'relooking for.

Mike (36:57):
Well, we mentioned Tom Choi just a second ago.
He's got an interestingquestion and he's talking about
our kids growing up and datingand getting married and what's
this got to do with modeling?
Well, that part of it, notreally anything, but dad's a
modeler.
Part of it, not really anything, but dad's a modeler and he's

(37:18):
kind of curious of the reactionthat the kids, or the
significant others of these kids, have when they gain knowledge
of what their, what their hobbyis.
Does that make sense?

Yep, your future your son-in-law right the future
son-in-law discovers.
Right the future son-in-lawdiscovers that that's what your
hobby is.
Well, in general, you can judgehim by how he reacts.
Is he suitable for yourdaughter?
If he recognizes a T-34 on thebench, you know your daughter's

(37:50):
chosen well.

If he's a 72nd skill aircraft modeler he's got
your approval right.

Mike (37:56):
Yeah, that's right.
He's marrying Dave, not hisdaughter.

Automatic steal with approval.
You know generally and we'vediscussed this actually
previously my hobby is prettymuch.
I share it with you all andother modelers In general.
It comes up occasionally inpublic out with the real world.

(38:22):
But well, just to give you anexample, my oldest daughter has
a significant other and he knowsabout it just because it's been
vaguely talked about.
And he knows about it justbecause it's been vaguely talked
about.
But I don't go into any greatdetail because I assume most

(38:44):
people have little or nointerest in it.
So I share all that stuff withmy modeling buddies and it's
kind of sectioned off from therest of my life.

Mike (38:50):
Well, evan, do you?
Well, I don't have any kids.
I thought you were going to sayyou don't have any friends.
I you're gonna say you don'thave any friends.
I was like well as your friendsyou don't, but do you have?
Do you have friends up therethat aren't in the hobby?

I sure I assume you do yeah, I mean in high
school and everything, therewere people who were into
warhammer and so on.
I'm kind of like uh, dave saidI didn't really, I don't really
advertise it, but sometimes itcomes up in conversation.
Well, first of all, people arelike you're into modeling, and
then they immediately think offashion modeling and I have to
quickly explain no, I'm intoscale modeling.

Evan, you can see how somebody would make that
mistake, I know, being thefashion plate that you are.

Yeah, that's why I have a YouTube channel, not a
podcast, right?
Exactly?
Yeah, we can see you.
Yeah, I mean people neverreally judge me for it, because
I think they understand ifthey're into Warhammer and so on
, and I'm still young enoughthat they can assume that this
is just some little kid thingafter all.

Right, but it is what it is, I don't know.
Never had problems with it.
How did the future?

in-laws react?
Oh, the future father-in-laws.
He used to do model trains andI think people appreciate I mean
, my fiance is also an artisticperson, so they appreciate
people of artistic hobbies andyeah, don't really discuss it
much, but it's something I do.

Mike (40:12):
Well, if we have to answer Tom's question or not.
But that's kind of mixedreactions.
I guess I don't expect anyparticular reaction.
I've gotten a little morepublic about mine at work and
stuff and they all know what Ido.
But they've all got their owninterests and ultimately they'll
be polite about it.
But do they really care?
I don't know.

(40:37):
And do I really care?
Whether they care or not?
Probably not.
All right.
Well, from the email side ofthings, that's going to be it.
Larry Donovan from New Brighton, minnesota, late to the party
response about all the books.
Dave Yep, he sent a long listof potential folks who might be
interested in this and we'll goahead and send us to jeff groves

(40:59):
.

And, yeah, if there's anything left, maybe
some of these folks will like ashot at it before all the stuff
gets thrown away I hooked thethe man who was helping the, the
widow, with this stuff, mrHuber I hooked him up with Ron
Young, the head of theIndianapolis IPMS club, and so

(41:23):
they were going to get togetherand he was going to bring club
members, and so I don't knowwhat's happened further in that
regard, but there was a furtherrescue mission being organized
when last I heard.

Mike (41:37):
Well, hopefully they got good homes for most of that
stuff.

Yep, yep Sounds like a lot.
I'm starting to rehome some aswell.

Mike (41:46):
Well, that's it from the email side of things, Dave.
What's the DMs been lookinglike?

Well, we got a lot of DMs Now.
A number of them were peopleexpressing their sadness that we
weren't going to make it toAMPS and I'm not going to
mention each one.
But thank you all.
We were all looking forward togoing, but life intervenes and
life intervenes Additionally.
Life intervenes Additionallybeing spring in Kentucky means

(42:16):
storms and tornadoes, and it'sreally kind of nice that every
time that happens we get DMsfrom listeners from around the
world who hear about the weatherand check in to make sure that
neither Mike nor I were affectedand luckily neither of us were.

(42:41):
But yeah, some places inKentucky got hit really badly,
mostly to the south of us.
But thank all of you forchecking in to make sure we're
okay.
That again, it's just reallyreally nice to know that people
care enough to do that.
Mike, steve Lee wrote in to letus know that you were a

(43:04):
trendsetter, Uh-oh, because youfinished a Japanese float plane,
and he went to his DelawareIPMS club's monthly meeting and
sent me a picture of thefinished models that people had
brought on the table, and therewere two Japanese float planes

(43:26):
on catapults.

Mike (43:27):
And they were some obscure ones too.

Yes, they were Absolutely Stuff.
You don't see every day.
So he wanted you to know thatyou're setting the trend.
Listener Ron Smith did us afavor and I want to thank him
for it and encourage otherpeople to do the same.
He was going through the backcatalog and he noticed that an

(43:53):
episode was missing, and I thinkit was episode 61.
And so he let us know and wekind of figured out what was
going on.
And anytime with the websitewhere you run into something
like that, where you noticeanything from a simple
misspelling to something's notworking right, please reach out

(44:17):
and let us know.
We appreciate that, because alot of times we're not going to
figure that out unless somebodytells us.
I had a nice conversation withlistener Eric Wardlaw.
That started out off of ourconversation about 3D printing,

(44:37):
but Eric is a car modeler andwith a particular interest in
Mustangs, and so we had a verynice conversation, just a
general conversation.
It's one of those things thatstarts off with one simple
comment and then goes from thereinto just a wandering

(45:02):
conversation, but it was reallynice.
And finally, ken Beckler youmentioned him in the email side.
He sent me a DM to let me knowthat I have an opposite effect
on him that every time he hearsme say that you know, life's too
short to build a crappy kit,that he digs out one of the old

(45:26):
or challenging kits kit.
He mentioned a bunch of A-modelkits, all of which are really
really rough.
So apparently I inspire him inthe opposite direction.

(45:47):
So as long as he's building,that's great and I'm happy for
him.
But there's no way I'm buildingany of those kits.

I saw what you bought at Heritage Con.
Life makes you too short foryou to build crappy kits, but
doesn't stop you from buyingthem, does it?

Okay, I will confess.
Yes, you're right, I bought Iwouldn't call them crappy kits,
I bought some older kits.

Was that a French float plane?

Oh yeah that is kind of a crappy float plane.
Oh yeah, that is kind of acrappy kit, but I got it.
I have an ulterior motive forthat, because Mike's going to
need that eventually, oh man.

Mike (46:27):
Well, is that all you got, dave?
That's it, mike.
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Mike (48:04):
In addition to that, please check out the other
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That's model podcast plural.
It's a consortium website setup by Stuart Clark at the Scale
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He's aggregated all the bannerlinks to the podcast and the
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You can go there and one-stopshop and have a listen to all of

(48:25):
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He's also got a lot of blog andYouTube friends out in the
model sphere.
Dave, you mentioned Stephen Lee.
Yes, sprupie with Fresh, you'regoing to want to check out his
blog.
We've also mentioned JeffGroves, the Inch High Guy.
Another great 72nd Scale blog,chris Wallace, model airplane
maker.
He's beaten that stealthfighter to death for you man?

Yes, he has.

Mike (48:49):
Paul Budzik Scale Model Workshop.
He dropped a couple of nuggetsthis week.

I was going to mention that, but yeah, and then
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I was going to mention that,but I do a little bit of
everything, and maybe this yearsome modern stuff and also
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Mike (51:21):
Well, folks, it's our Shop Talk episode and we got some
good topics we're going to getinto tonight.
And let's get into that Upfirst.
Evan, we want to hear all aboutMotion 2025.
We had a guest, adam Coleman wementioned before, who was on
the show to talk about it lastyear, but we know you as well

(51:43):
and it sounds like you had agreat time.
So what was it like for you?

Oh man, it was amazing.
I think it's ruined all othermodel shows for me because, like
people always say this aboutthese fancy european shows like
smc and and mojan but this isone of those shows where every
single model on the table is anaward-winning model and you see
all these models like dozens ofmodels you've seen in magazine

(52:09):
articles or publicized on insocial media.
And also this all the peoplethere you also want to meet,
because a lot of our esteemedmodeling heroes are European.
So I mean, how do I even start?
I mean, it's a one and a halfday show, which I think is
something that shows likeHeritage Con should also.

(52:31):
We've talked about this before,but a lot of big one day shows
in north america are kind ofcrammed in because you're trying
to do everything at once yeah Imean this show, like I said, a
day and a half long and eventhen it was hard to see all the
models and all the vendors,because it's a it's a big show,
top quality work, as I said, andalso the vendors, is really

(52:53):
something special because, asopposed to north american shows,
where you have a lot of peopleselling, you know their stash,
dumping out a bunch of old kitsat the cheap prices, which isn't
isn't bad, but sometimes thatgets a bit kind of boring or
samey after a couple years.
Right, and also you end up witha lot of hobby stores selling

(53:15):
at North American shows.
It seems With this show it wasmainly the specific
manufacturers that are vending.
So you have all the big guyslike AK and MIG and whatever,
the big manufacturers ofaftermarket and so on, and even
some little scale one-man show,decal, 3d print companies, and

(53:39):
you could have filled up like Icould have filled up a couple of
suitcases with all the goodstuff that was there and I could
have dropped a lot of money.
But I actually had a list.
I went onto their website,checked out all the vendors and
I made a list of I need to go tothis booth pick up this product
this booth, pick up thisproduct this booth, talk to this
guy this booth, top and.

(54:01):
And I think I got everything Iwanted.
But there was so much goodstuff and I bought a lot of crap
.
Well, not crap, I bought a lotof good stuff, right, but I
actually was because I had tofly back.
I did not buy any actual kits,I only bought accessories like
figures, decals and like resinaccessories for kits and mainly

(54:22):
like diorama accessories and soon.
But there was so much goodstuff there it was hard to you
know, keep control.

How was the pricing?
Was it pretty much all retailor were companies making deals?

I think some of them were making deals,
especially if you bought acouple of products.
It seems like they would oftenround down to the nearest 10
euro or 5 euro kind of thing.
The fact that they're alsousing different currency makes
it hard for me to judge exactlyhow good the deals are.
It didn't seem like there weremany super, super good deals.
I mean some of those smallmanufacturers like I bought some

(55:01):
shrubs and so on, like handmadeshrubs, and those were really
cheap because that's just ahobby guy doing that on the side
.
But with the main companiesthat were there prices were
maybe a little bit below retail.
With the main companies thatwere there, prices were maybe a
little bit below retail.
But for me the main attractionwas I don't have to pay shipping

(55:26):
or risk getting nailed by theimport duty, taxes, whatever's
by a Canada Post or whoever fromsmall scale European companies
online.
Sometimes it's a bit sketchybecause it might not be a good
quality, but being able tophysically look at, like this HD
models or whatever other, likethey're 3D prints.
You look at that and you can see, okay, it is like no layer

(55:46):
lines, the support structure islike minimal cleanup or it's
already been cleaned up and it'snot bigger than the part.
Yeah, and there was a lot ofreally good stuff and I also had
uh, I should mention that I wasthere with hamilcar barkis, my,
my great german youtubemodeling buddy.
He basically, well, we, we tooka like a week and a half long

(56:08):
european vacation, me and myfiance and the.
The tail end of the the tripwas the show.
You know, convenient, right,who could have seen that coming?
Yeah, but michael actually let.
And the tail end of the trip wasthe Mojan show.
You know, convenient, right,who would have seen that coming?
But Michael actually let usstay with him for a few days
beforehand and showed us aroundhis local area and then he'd
already been to the Mojan show.
So he guided me around andshowed me also a lot of these
European companies that he seesat shows often that I don't

(56:32):
really know of.
And he told me these guys havegood stuff, these guys have good
stuff, these guys have goodstuff.
And, oh man, it was so good.

Now the show is put on by the town right.

Yes, and it seems like this is the one thing that
happens in this town every year.
It's a pretty small town.
I'm sure they have other stuffgoing on, but this is obviously
a big source of income for thelocals because lots of tourists,
especially maybe a Westerntourist who have a little bit of
money to spend, you know,because not to be mean to the

(57:03):
Hungarians, but it seems likeyou know, their currency is a
bit in the in the back behindthe show, between the display
area and the, the vendor area inthe parking lot outside, so you
could go and buy local paprikaand, and they had their food

(57:24):
trucks there with their localhungarian cuisine, I would say,
you know, like basic lunch,snacks and stuff like that.
So it's it's fun to be able tosupport the local economy and
also have some real Hungarianfood and stuff like that as an
option there instead ofMcDonald's or whatever.
Did they have seminars at theshow?
I didn't attend them.

(57:45):
I believe they had somethinggoing on.
I met with Tae Sung from Alpineand he was talking about how he
was doing something like ademonstration on sculpting
figures, and so on.

I have seen his demonstration on sculpting
figures.
It's amazing.

Yeah, he's really talented and he's always fun to
meet.
I think that was the third timeI've met him at a show and he's
always a cool guy to hang outwith.
There were a lot of cool peoplethere.
I should have taken more photoswith all the people I met.
I met plenty of fans, peoplewho I don't know, but they know
me.
I met people who I've seen inmagazine articles so good to
meet them and put a face to aname.

(58:20):
And I also got to meet some ofmy modeling heroes, like Radek
from Rado Miniatures.
He's a very skilled modeler aswell.
And I got to meet Taesung.
I saw you got to meet NightShift.
I did get to meet Night Shift.
He uh, apparently some kind ofyoutube modeler.
I've never really seen his workbefore, but now it was great to

(58:42):
meet him and he's a really coolguy.
Sometimes you worry aboutmeeting your heroes if they're
you know, if they're actually anice person in real life.
But it was really cool to hangout with him for a little bit
and chat and just kind of gethis experience on how YouTube
and Patreon everything are goingfor him, because he does it
full time right and he's seriouson it, but it was cool to meet

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him and his girlfriend there andI also got to meet Lucas from
Cold Demons PL, another greatYouTube modeling channel that I
enjoy watching.
So it was cool to meet him andtalk to him about his recent
book with AK Interactive.

Now did AK and Meg Ammo have a rumble in the
middle of the show, in themiddle of the vendor's room?

It was funny.
Their booths were basically inopposite sides of the vendor
area.
The main vendor area isbasically, like, I guess, an
indoor sports-sized gym kind ofroom, indoor sports, yeah, sized
gym kind of room.
So that was a big room and theywere on opposite corners, I
guess.

Mike (59:40):
To you know, keep the distance between the conflicting
companies there gotcha well,for for people who are thinking
they might like to getadventurous and do something
like this did you guys drivefrom germany?

yeah, we drove, we, we, we stayed with Michael
and then we drove down aboutwell, it's supposed to be six
hours, ended up being about 10because the highway got shut
down.

Kentucky Dave (01:00:02):
Did they spill queso or something on the road?

Evan McCallum (01:00:05):
No, it kind of felt like the same thing that
happened to us in.
Was it Arkansas?

Yeah, yeah, that was in Arkansas Hope.

Arkansas.
It was kind of the same thing,but I think a car was on fire
and the highway got shut downfor about an hour and a half
there.

Oh my.

But we actually stayed just on the Austrian
border side with essentially theEuropean equivalent of an
Airbnb, I guess you'd call it.
It was very affordable and Imean we got to.
You know, we actually atedinner on the Austrian side
where we could, where Michaelcould speak German with the
waitstaff and everything, whichis a little bit more convenient.
But this year there was somekind of mad cow disease going on
, so the border crossing was abit tricky between Austria and

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Hungary every day, but stillwasn't too bad.
I know people stay at the localpaprika I think it's called the
Paprika Hotel.
It's near the show andapparently that's pretty good
and there's like a built inrestaurant or bar or something.
So when you go on the Mojanshow website there's a lot of
like information about the townplaces to stay, places town has,

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you know, the BlackberryFestival or the Farm Days or
whatever.

Every little town has some sort of festival.

It's interesting that a town would somehow
develop a model contest as theirthing because, yeah, I don't
know the backstory, but theremust be some reason why it's
held there.
I mean, it is also probably apretty convenient location for a
lot of people from Germany,austria, poland, czechia.
That's where a lot of themodeling guys are, and then also

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you're closer to Asia and so on, so it's a relatively central
Eurasian location, I guess youcould say.
But there must be some reasonwhy it is in that town, but it's
a nice town.
And I I would really like to goback there, but it's, it's a
it's a bit of a trek from Canada.
They had like a little pinboard you could say where you

(01:02:11):
were from and I think there wasonly two pins in all of Canada
and and people who met me, theywere surprised that I had come
all the way from Canada.
Night Shift thought I wasjoking when I said I was going
to be there, but no, it workedout, basically because Easter
weekend was so late this yearthat I could, you know, pull off
a European trip and use lessleave from work.

(01:02:34):
But that show was fantastic.
I think I'm.
Next time I got a chance to goto Europe, I think I'm going to
go to SMC just to see how thatcompares, because I know the
posse guys have been to SMC andthey are saying it's the best
show in the world and peopleI've spoken with say, yeah, like
MoShon and SMC are probably thetwo top shows.

(01:02:56):
I guess the what's that one inJapan, Shizuyoka I don't know
how to pronounce that that'salso one of the big shows.
I think, compared to SMC,Moshad might have fewer models.
The number of models on displaywas.
It wasn't like a blowout.
You think with a show like thisrenowned, there'd be billions
of models.
But actually the number ofmodels on display wasn't insane.

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But there was a lot of modelson display and it was all
top-notch work and it took awhile to filter through and and
see everything because they arestacked like three models deep
on the table and some in someplaces, like the, the aircraft.
They actually had to put moretables behind because you kind
of like walk around in a ring abunch of tables yeah they put

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more tables behind and put themodels further and further back,
which is a bit unfortunate, butthey do shuffle them around
when they do the judging.

Well, I was personally jealous when you got
to go to the originalHofbrauhaus in Munich.

Oh, we actually didn't go there.

Well, there's a picture of you in front of it.

Yes, but it was pandemonium in there.
Oh my god.
Yes, yeah, I didn't realizelike it was that big.
We we walked in there and itwas, like I said, pandemonium.
There's people everywhere,people yelling beer, going out
all over the place.
The the waitress is caring andmyself and my fiance were like,
okay, this is a bit overwhelmingbecause, also, this is our
first day in munich.

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We hadn't slept in like 36hours because we just landed and
flew in the night before.
We wanted a bit more of apeaceful meal.
So we tried to escape therestaurant.
We tried to walk through it, Iunderstand, and we walked
through and then we realized,okay, we're now in the patio, in
the atrium, in the middle ofthe Hofbrauhaus, which is the
same thing, but now open air.
We tried to escape that bycontinuing going straight ahead

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and now we're in the other halfof the Hofbrau house.
We have to keep going, it justwouldn't end.
They must have seen thousandsof people in there.
It's gigantic, but it wasimpressive.
So we went across the street toa place called Eyinger, I think
, which had really good food.
I mean all the food we had inEurope, all the food, all the
beer.
It was all so good.

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I don't think we had a singlecrappy meal, but we actually ate
at a serious restaurant everysingle day.
Oh man, I want to go back.

Yeah, I hear you Next time you can take me.

You can come and sit at Gabby, you can be there,
you me.
You can come and sit at Gappy.
You can be.
There, you go.
You can hold my hand as we gothrough the restaurants and
everything.

Mike (01:05:24):
Let me ask one thing You're from Canada, yes,
michael's from Germany, yes, butyou're in Hungary.
Once you're in Hungary, how isnavigating that like?
Because you know, with thistruck project, I'm on and
through my military collectingas well that With this truck
project, I'm on and through mymilitary collecting as well.
That language is not likeanything else.

Yeah, it seems like Hungarian is an independent
language in terms of itsorigins, so we didn't have any
trouble because it seems likeeveryone at the show is kind of
bilingual.
The only guy who I had troublespeaking with was the guy at the
food truck, but I was able tofigure out the word for goulash

(01:06:07):
kielbasa.
And then the pickle was tricky.
I had to go through cornichonpickle, gherkin.
Eventually I figured out what Iwanted, what he wanted.
Eventually he figured out whatI was trying to order.
Again, we didn't stay in thetown, we stayed on the Austrian
side, just over the border there.
But I don't know, man, it seemslike the people there are able
to communicate well.
I mean, the show is catering toa wide variety of Europeans and

(01:06:30):
people who speak differentlanguages, so I didn't have any
trouble.
Yeah, my other point was Ithought this was interesting.
I'd never seen this before.
So, along with the show handingout awards to the best models,
there were lots of clubsoffering their little awards,
their little poker chips, whichyou see, but they're also

(01:06:58):
putting bottles of beer andliqueur next to models that they
really appreciated and Ithought this was really cool.

We got to get that tradition started here.

I know, what was really cool was I saw this a few
times manufacturers wereputting their accessories as an
award for someone who'd done areally good job with their
products on a model.

Oh, that's a great idea.

They did a diorama which did really well,
was really well done with theirfigure set.
Oh, that's a great idea.
That's great.
Such a good job with theirproduct.
It might be some kind ofadvertising for their product as
well, because you did such agood job.
That was really cool.
I've never seen that before.
That's great.
I did see a few figure sets andaftermarket accessories placed

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next to models where the sameproducts had been used, which I
guess because this show alsoattracts a lot of the
manufacturers themselves.
They can go see their work ondisplay, which is something
really interesting.

That is, that's really interesting.

Anything else.
Okay, one last point.
There was a category.
When we started looking at thearmor, like we started at one
point on the table and we werelike, wow, this stuff's really
really good, and then werealized this was the junior
category.
It was like kids, it was like14 to 17.
And the models there werebetter than the stuff that I

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than I do.
That'll break your heart everytime you started and you're like
this is so good.
And then you look at thecategory.
This is like the 12 categoryand there were models in there
that would place at like NorthAmerican shows as well, like 12
year old kids or younger doingfantastic work.

(01:08:46):
So this goes to show that youknow there is still talent up
and coming in this hobby foryears to come.
That was really cool to see.

Mike (01:09:00):
Well, up next, Dave.
This is your suggestionDeclutter your model life, so
get us started.
Where are you going with this?

Well, this is kind of again part of the
overhang slash reaction to therecent trip up to Indy where the
modeler with the fantastic bookcollection had passed on and

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his wife was stuck trying to getrid of the stuff.
And one of the things and I'vetaken a bunch from that
experience, including that JeffInch Highgroves is a really good
friend but one of the otherthings that I've taken from it
is the need to organize what youhave, the need to go through

(01:09:54):
what you have and if somethingis extraneous or expendable, do
either of you know who MarieKondo is?

Yes, this does not bring joy.

This does not bring joy Every 72nd scale
aircraft model that's right.
Marie Kondo is a Japanese ladywho has.
She was very popular a numberof years ago for having people
go through their entire houseand declutter and get rid of

(01:10:30):
things, and the classic phrasefrom her particular philosophy
was you hold an item and if itdoes not bring you joy, then you
get rid of it.
And it's not exactly that, butpart of it's organizing my model

(01:10:50):
bench.
I've been talking about it formonths now and it is still
nearly the mess that it was.
When I started talking was whenI started talking, and
organization is a big part ofdecluttering your life, because
if you use a tool and you put itback where it belongs, then

(01:11:11):
when you go to use it again youdon't spend 15 minutes looking
all over your bench for it.
But I'm a pack rat and I'm alibrarian at heart, and so I
have a lot of books.
But and now I have a lot morebooks but I am going through the

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books, as well as all theaccessories that I bought over
the years and some kids, andtrying to decide does this bring
me modeling joy?
Is this something I can seemyself actually doing and doing
sometime soon?
And putting stuff, making aplace for everything and putting

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it in its place to make themodeling experience much more
pleasant for me and one day,when I shake off this mortal
coil, hopefully not to leave myspouse with a problem because
you've just died a problembecause you've just died Well,

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my spouse might be happy, butmost spouses won't be happy that
you've died.
The last thing they need is theadditional burden of having to
deal with a completely andutterly unorganized space, and
you got to have a plan to tohave stuff done with your stuff.
Of course, my plan is to shipeverything to evan, yeah, but

(01:12:49):
but pass the burden on exactlyit's a big truck and you're
going to get a big bill fromcanada post or customs.
But but seriously, if the stuffis all disorganized and
everywhere, that just makes thejob for whoever does it your
spouse, the modeling friend, youcertain joy in sending

(01:13:11):
something off to its new home.
I just recently posted a coupleof books on the dojo that
somebody was interested in and Ipacked them up and shipped them

(01:13:35):
off and sent them.
Sent them, and you know itactually was.
It felt kind of good knowingthat those items were going to
somebody who wanted and wouldappreciate them.
Now, mike, I know you've talkedabout your modeling area in the
basement and the associatedstorage area that had a lot of

(01:14:00):
Christmas stuff in it and you'vegot plans to completely redo
your modeling space.

Mike (01:14:09):
Yeah, it's slow rolling though.

So what's the motivation behind it?

Mike (01:14:14):
The details of the space will come up in their final
topic.
But just, I need more roombecause what I've got back there
is starting to well.
It's getting double stackedbecause there's so much stuff
back there that it's not fittingon the shelves that it's
intended to sit on in any kindof organized fashion, and once

(01:14:36):
stuff gets double stacked, youlose all control of what you
have.
Yeah, and I'll be interested tohear what Evan's got to say
about just the general buyingstuff.
I know, evan, when I was yourage and doing my job and you're
a little ahead of me becauseyou've got a fiancé already but
when I was tearing it up in thesingle life I was buying just

(01:15:00):
whatever I wanted and Iaccumulated a bunch of stuff and
then I've spent a bunch of timegetting rid of a lot of it and
now I'm kind of went throughanother accumulation, but of
late I've kind of stopped buyingso much stuff I don't know.
Back to Dave's point.
The motivation is just to getthe storage somewhere where it

(01:15:21):
makes sense, because if it makessense then I can actually look
at it and say, oh well, Iprobably don't need all these
and I'll probably never get tothat.
But right now there's stuff Ican't even see.
It's all hidden so it's out ofsight, out of mind, and I've got
aftermarket that's older thanEvan back there.
It's never going to get built.

The problem with that stuff is nobody else is
going to want it so exactly, andit's that's the hardest thing
for me is actually throwing awayeither a kit or an aftermarket
accessory that now has beensuperseded so badly that you
couldn't find anybody who wantsit and just throw.

Mike (01:16:01):
Throwing it in a garbage can physically hurts me it makes
you wonder if you should justbe at the model show and look at
the aftermarket, then whip outthe 30 bucks and just set it on
fire.
Yes, I mean, and just yeah.
Okay, I don't have the 30 bucksand I don't have that either,

(01:16:22):
cause it's not going to be worthanything by the time I ever get
around to it.
But uh, evan, I know, on thebook front, not a big book
accumulator.

Well, yeah, I've got.
I've got a number of modelingbooks, but I've got one shelf on
a bookshelf of modeling books,not one room of modeling books,
like kentucky dave, yes I keepmy my book collection refined to
my my core interests and Ifocus on the good stuff.
I've got a lot of panzer tracksin the past couple years which

(01:16:52):
are very useful because I'm kindof like a self-rivet counter I
really want to like.
I enjoy the process of solvingthe puzzle and correcting the
accuracy issues of a kit.
I enjoy that part of my ownbuilds which is not for everyone
but I like that.
So I like these super technicalbooks.
So when I'm building somethingI will.

(01:17:12):
I'll find some books, but Idon't collect a lot of books and
I'm trying not to collect a lotof kits because I have the
benefit of being able to look upto all my older modeling
buddies and see the nightmare ofhaving like 10 000 kits yeah
and I don't want to.
I don't want that to happen tome.
So I'm trying to be reasonablein my purchases and I'm honestly

(01:17:36):
.
I mean there's only so much youcan do, but but probably for
every three kits I buy Iactually finish one of them
within a couple of years.
So it does accumulate, but I'mtrying to be serious.
Usually what I do is I think ofprojects I want to do and then
I go buy the kit.
I don't buy kits that I don'thave a serious project in mind

(01:17:59):
for, because that thing willthen never get built.
Now I still have more projectsthan I can actually do, but I
try to keep things logical.
I will hopefully actually buildthis and have a plan for it.

Well, I've got a plan for every model I've ever
bought.
Evan, you live unlike Mike andI.
You live in an apartment.
Yes, evan, you live unlike Mikeand I.
You live in an apartment, yes.
And so Mike and I have modelingrooms and I've actually got
rooms plural if you take intoaccount where the books are
stored and the models are storedand all.

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What challenges does having anapartment-style space present
and what do you do to adapt toit?

Well, I've got a room dedicated.
It's a small bedroom but I canput my workbench here.
I guess we're kind ofencroaching on the next topic
right as we discuss roomconfigurations here, but I kind
of like what Mike was saying.
I do suffer from having littlestorage space for the stash.

(01:19:05):
I've been very recently I'veactually I think I talked about
this last time I was on but forthe past couple of years I've
been, I've been using scalemates to organize and keep track
of everything I own track ofeverything I own.
So on my scale mates account Ihave like every single piece of

(01:19:27):
after market and kit organizedand I also cataloged them.
Like I bought this after marketto go with this kit for this
project and I put my referencephotos also there as well
because otherwise I'm going toforget.
And, kind of like I said before, I don't want to be the guy who
I've seen at a show who buysthe kit and then goes home and
then they're like oh, I forgot,I already had two more of this
kit in the.
And kind of, like I said before, I don't want to be the guy who
I've seen at a show who buysthe kit and then goes home and
then they're like oh, I forgot,I already had two more of this
kit in the stash somewhere.
I don't want to be that guy, soI keep track of what I've

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already bought.
Like Mike was saying, I'm at thepoint where my model's storage
pile, which is a closet, is toodeep, physically two stacks deep
.
So there's kits in the backthere that I kind of that like
they're out of sight, out ofmind, even though they're in my
scalemaze catalog.
I kind of forget that I've gotthat kit because it's not

(01:20:12):
visually in my you know right, Idon't see it every day when I
go in here and then I kind offorget about that and I worry
that I've got projects I amlooking forward to doing and I'm
just going to forget about themor lose interest.
So I guess we'll talk moreabout this in the next point,
but I've got plans for what Iwant my future model room to
look like.

Well, I want to hear those plans.
So, mike, let's cover that nexttopic.

Mike (01:20:48):
Well, this last topic comes from Steve Anderson's A
Guided Journal for Modelers, andis what would your ideal bench
or workspace look like?

Evan, we'll let you go first, since it's hot on
your mind.
I'm sure some of you have seenthat Facebook meme where it's
like my ideal house and it showslike the floor plan, where 90%
of it's like a 12-car garage.
Right, right, like I'm.
As someone who's currentlyplanning on buying their first
house, to be a homeowner, amodel room is like up on my

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priority list along with havinga nice kitchen and so on,
because this is a serious thingand I want to make sure I stay
organized with everything.
So there are things that I wantto be able to have in my room
Like.
My current setup is not bad.
I've got a lot of table space,but the issue is I can't have my

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laptop set up and my airbrushbooth at the same time.
So I want my future room tohave a workbench for building.
I also want a separate.
I guess I'm going to have tobuy the big spray booth you have
, dave, because the siloPeacemaker yeah, I need that
because I need a separate,dedicated airbrushing area.

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It could be directly next to theworkbench, but right now I've
got like one space and if I needto airbrush something, I have
to kind of put away what I'malso building at the moment and
then I'm starting to like mixpaint and and glues and I feel
like things are going to getlost like small parts or and
it's just a bit of a mess.
I also don't want to bespraying like airbrushing in the

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same spot where I'm building,because there's lots of sanding
dust all over the place and Iworry that's getting blown up
into the paint and contributingto bad surface finish.
And a third thing I want nowthis could be shared with the
airbrush booth for ventilationconcerns.
But I also want a spot where Ican actually set up a 3d printer
, because I have a 3d printer.
I've had it for probably closeto three years now and I've

(01:22:41):
never even cracked the box,because I don't have it.

It's probably obsolete.

Now I was going to say I just don't have
somewhere to put it, Like, wherewould I put it right now?
It would have to go in thekitchen, but it's going to
poison us because you needventilation and the only
ventilation I have right now ismy spray booth and that's not
really going to cut it for aprinter.

Well, Evan, you mentioned that you have a
bedroom in your apartmentdedicated as your modeling room.
Yes, now, when you go by thehouse, the physical space of
this little bedroom is X feet byX feet.
What do you envision would bean ideal space size-wise?

(01:23:24):
How much bigger would this oneroom need to be to meet your
needs?

This bedroom is probably I think it's 14 feet by
10 feet 9 feet.
It's not small, but the issueis I also have a model railroad
shelf layout taking up about 30%of this room, gotcha.
So unfortunately, the basementwill have to be sacrificed to

(01:23:52):
the model railroad.
It's a small price to pay,right?
I don't know.

Right.

And then I think if I didn't have the model
railroad in here, this roomwould be definitely big enough
for a workbench, like for amodel room, but that is an issue
.
A model railroad ain't smalland it takes up space.
So I do want to have, like, themodel railroad will be a long
part of the basement and thenI'm going to have to try to set

(01:24:20):
up a man cave somewhere adjacentto that.
But my my current work benchlike physically that I have the
ikea bench it's probably aboutthe same size of the one that
you have, dave, and it's enoughfor building.
But the fact is it's also whereI have my computer set up and,
optionally, my airbrush boothand it's not big enough for

(01:24:43):
those three Gotcha, yeah.
So those three things I need Ineed a workspace for building,
painting and 3D printing and Ialso need a better storage
solution for my kit.
So they can all be visible.
Probably a lot of Ikea shelves.

I don't know Well , mike.
So I mean, I've seen yourmodeling space.
What do you envision doing toit?
That's going to change it?

Mike (01:25:10):
I just need to keep executing the plan.
It's like 15 years in themaking now.
Just other stuff is just alwaystaking priority.
A lot of what I have down herenow is what to call it
permanently temporary.

Yes, that's where we're all at, isn't it?

Mike (01:25:29):
My spray booth is vented to the outside through the
egress window.
In the window, well to thebasement.
It's sitting on a surpluskitchen cabinet.
It's too low, it needs to behigher.
I'd rather it be ported throughthe wall at the floor joists
above the ceiling instead ofgoing out the window the way
I've got it now.
I've got a wooden panel in oneof the window sides.

(01:25:50):
A little natural light comesdown here during the daytime,
but if I could fix that I woulddouble it.
I've got about 12 to 14 runningfeet of cabinetry.
I want to put down here and I'vetalked about it before it could
be a mix of drawer and basecabinets and then drawer banks,
and all the drawers need to beshallow, no deeper than six

(01:26:13):
inches, like I did in my othershop.
I don't like deep drawers in aworkshop because stuff gets lost
.
They get filled up with crap.
You can't really organize deepdrawers.
The thing I've got going rightnow in my head is my bookshelf
is just.
It's overloaded, it'scompletely full.
It's got five shelves andcounting the one on top, the

(01:26:34):
very top of it, it's six and itis completely full.
So Evan mentions Ikea.
I want to take three or four oftheir smaller bookcases that
are.
You know they're only likethey're less than four feet tall
right, and then build ahorseshoe out of those and put a
countertop on it.
So all around the perimeter ofthis thing on three sides is

(01:26:56):
bookshelves and then I've got awork surface where I can move
all my power tools and the 3Dprint stuff there.
And then there'll be a kneenook on the fourth side where
you can actually sit at it anddo work.
So it'll be more counter space.
The running cabinets will have acountertop on those and that's
an artifact of my old workshopat the old house.

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I love that setup I had there.
I wish I still had it,hopefully soon.
And then my primary workbenchis a bench my grandfather made
and that's always going to be myprimary bench and it's a pretty
big space.
I like it a lot.
It's just ideally.
I don't want space servingmultiple tasks.
The build bench is for building.

(01:27:38):
Wherever my computer is, it'sonly for the computer.
Wherever the power toolscomputer is, is only for the
computer.
Wherever the power tools are,that's only for the power tools.
And then the other countertopspace is just going to be for
whatever's left.
Everything will have a spot andI won't have to move one thing
to do something else.
That's really the situation Iideally want to avoid in my

(01:27:58):
workshop.
Where's your 3D printer set up?
Right now it's sitting on topof my wife's grandmother's
sewing machine cabinet.
That's another thing I wish wehad a better place to put.
Maybe when the last kid goes tocollege it can go upstairs, but
right now it's sitting on there, along with the alcohol wash
station, just sitting in themiddle of the room.

Now, what you just said reminded me I've
talked with my fiance about thisas well when we have our future
house, whatever in my workbencharea, I also want a fourth
surface which is going to belike I want just like a wheeled
wooden table, almost like anactual like woodworking
workbench in the middle of theroom, and it's going to be for

(01:28:42):
like, if I need to cut wood orwork on like diorama, like the
actual messy stuff like with,with, uh, like spraying glues
and stuff like that, like yeah,like I said, cutting wood and
doing diorama stuff is is messyand I don't like doing that on
my workbench because you're youknow you're working with like
dirt and foliage and stuff likethat.

(01:29:02):
I want to keep that separatefrom my model building because
it just seems like it's makingit extra filthy and it's also
because I think everyone hasthis, where you have a table in
the house that just becomes themessy everything table.
Yeah, I think everyone has thatand I want a table that's
planned ahead to be this tableand it could be in the workshop

(01:29:26):
area.
I understand that, but you kindof need that mess table, like
you have a mess chair, like thelaundry chair.
I want that table as well.

Dave, I'll tell you, my modeling room is ideal
if it were properly organized.
I've got plenty of space.
I do need to organize it betterso that I don't have to move
some things to do other things,like Evan was mentioning, do

(01:29:57):
other things, like Evan wasmentioning, but I'm actually I'm
happy with the space.
I do need to organize it and Ineed to clear some of the books
out of it and move those intothe pool room.
That's table pool, not the pooloutside.

(01:30:20):
A lot of what I need is justmaking it more.
You've heard the term ergonomicand I need to make my modeling
area more ergonomic, but I haveplenty of physical space.
I don't need any more physicalspace.

(01:30:41):
I just need to use the spacemuch more efficiently.

I'm not sure about that I mean we're all
working towards the same placehere, where we all think, if we
have the ideal workspace whereeverything's organized, it's
going to make our lives easier.
But is that actually going tohappen, or is the mess just
going to expand to match theworkspace?

I think that's what's going to happen, and so,
yes, if I had double the space,there would be double the mess,

(01:31:23):
and that's not good, and that issomething that is a flaw in my
personality that if you gave mea choice to fix one thing about
me, that would be the thing thatI would fix.

Yeah, because I started on the kitchen table
like we all did, you know,spilling glue and paint on the
dinner table.
Yeah, like I had much lessspace and now I've got a table
that is kind of like what Mikesaid, probably 14 feet long, it
wraps around the corner, 14 feetlong, two feet deep, and I feel
like I still just have onesquare foot of clear bench space

(01:31:59):
in the end of the day, right.

Yeah, that's right.
I'm always modeling on a spacethat is no more than eight and a
half by 11 inches, the size ofa standard piece of copy paper.

Mike (01:32:13):
Well, I think I'd do a little better than that.
I think for me, the cabinetryand stuff lets me unpack a lot
of stuff I've had packed up foryears and I know where stuff is.
The organization side of it isreally valuable for that for me
and I just need to get going onit.
I've got so much stuff that'sstill packed in boxes from when
we moved into this house yearsago.

(01:32:34):
I've just deferred this anddeferred this and hopefully I'm
at a point now that the seasonis going to be not too far away
where I can finish this out andget back to the space I used to
have at the old house.

When I buy my house.
I guess I might make a YouTubevideo series on building my man
cave and setting it up and doingthings like lighting and
organization, because that Iguess is interesting and
everyone else who has a goodopinion.
They can give me feedback inthe comments about how they
would recommend doing it.
But I mean Chris Wallace.
Just he recently was doing hisbasement.

(01:33:09):
You know he put in theventilation for a spray booth
and everything right.
So we all have dreams about ourman cave.
I guess me being in theposition to buy a house and
being young.
But I'm going to try to do itproperly.

The one piece of advice I will give you in that
regard, evan, is take your timeand build the space out
correctly the first time,because once you get in it, it
becomes exponentially harder toredo it.

Yes, because the mess will fill the space and I
can't move anything if I've got12 projects across the table.

Exactly.

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Mike (01:34:40):
We've talked about our benches.
Have we got anything on them?

Well, let me start first because mine's going
to go very quickly.
In the last two weeks I havedone a little bit of work on the
landing gear, on the F8F batchbuild build.
I've also masked the canopiesfor the Bearcats using the

(01:35:04):
really great kit mask masks.
I got to tell you this wasactually my first time using the
kit mask products and boy, theyare really well designed,
really well designed, and that'sabout it.

(01:35:24):
I've got a lot of things thatneed to happen and I have just
not made the time to make themhappen because it is a flaw in
me and I'm not making the timethat I should make.
So that's me.

Mike (01:35:42):
Well, Evan was squawking about not finishing anything
earlier.

Yes.
Evan but he's got an excusehe's an world international
traveler and man of mystery.

I've had trouble finding time to finish kits
since the holidays, the new yearand when I was originally
planning on going to Am amps.
I was excited to finish a bunchof things for amps but that
wasn't going to happen.
Then, of course, I had tocancel my attendance at amps
kind of last minute as well, butI guess it's good.
I didn't rush anything becauseI have a lot of projects that
I'm working on and I want to dothem right.

(01:36:17):
And and having been to allthese shows in the past couple
of years, you know I've beeninspired and I do want to start
making vignettes and addingfigures to my builds, because
that always makes everythinglook more impressive in terms of
the presentation andstorytelling.
So essentially, everything I'mworking on now has a base to go

(01:36:38):
with it, which could slow thingsdown even more, has a base to
go with it, which could slowthings down even more.

Well, what project are you inspired?
By?

What one are you hot to get to?
Well, I've been working on, forabout two years now, a diorama
with a Jagdpanzer IV and aSDKFZ-250-9, the small
half-track with thetwo-centimeter autocannon turret
from the SDKFZ250-9, the smallhalf track with the two
centimeter auto cannon turretfrom the SDKFZ222.
And that was like my firstproject where I was going to do

(01:37:12):
a proper base and a bunch offigures, and of course it's
taken two years for me toactually try to get it done,
because it's intimidating doingall that new stuff and trying to
paint figures correctly,because it's also the first time
I'm looking at doing actualresin figures, not plastic
figures which are, you know, astep down from resin yeah I'm at
the point now where thevehicles are built and painted

(01:37:36):
and essentially weathered as faras you can go.
I left off the like the, thebulk of the mud effects, because
I want to do that as I do thebase.

Right.

But I'm at the point now where I have to set
the scene, like physically sethow the diorama is going to be
laid, and that's what's hangingme up because I've never done
that before up because I'venever done that before, and
there are pros out there who dothese fantastic, you know, like
champagne or like that kind ofstyle, where it's it's a

(01:38:07):
vignette or a diorama, that is atrue storyteller.
And I'm just like, how do I dothat?
Yeah, I guess this is like whenpeople watch my weathering
tutorials and say, like, how doyou just do that?
Like there's there's sometimesthere's a bit of like, like a,
like a built-in talent or somekind of ability you have which
helps you take the next step interms of doing a certain

(01:38:29):
technique and and I don't seemto have the how to lay out the
diorama, how to visualize howall the pieces are going to go
together, and so I'm looking tospeak with some of the the guys
who are really good at that,like I'm going to try to speak
with Rick Lawler about settingup that scene, because I'll
spoil it here.
I basically have the half trackand the Jagdpanzer 4 from the

(01:38:52):
Windhund unit, which is like, Ithink, around Aachen 1944 where
they had those dragon's teethyou know there's famous scenes
of like the panthers and so ondriving through and also, like
the US, obviously bulldozingdirt over those dragon's teeth.
So I have, like that unit was ina spot where those dragon's
teeth were.
I have the vehicles, thefigures and I have a residence

(01:39:13):
of those dragon teeth fromDiodump and I just need to
figure out how I'm going toarrange those vehicles with
those dragon's teeth to make acool scene.
But I'm kind of stuck there andI've got a few other things
going.
As you might have learned, I'verecently developed an interest
in Chinese vehicles becausethey're a little bit different,
they're all a little bit unique.

(01:39:34):
So I've actually built threeChinese vehicles in the past
year and one of them is like asuper lightweight airborne IFV I
guess you'd call that, and Ialso have a cool vignette plan
for that where it's coming downa steep embankment because they
kind of use these things up inthe, I guess like the Kashmir,
where there's currently someconflict between India and

(01:39:55):
Pakistan.
China's also the third party inthere and there's border
skirmishes there and some ofthese vehicles are used there.
So I have another vignette planfor that, where it's coming
down a steep embankment and Igot to start doing the
groundwork on that one too.

Mike (01:40:08):
Got a lot going on.
Yeah, glad somebody does so,mike.
Still, a lot of mine's been on3D CAD modeling.
I've started adding some morebits to the KV-85.
Not a lot, though.
I'm just working my way fromthe front to the back and
putting this stuff on.
I still have this issue withthe intake screens I haven't

(01:40:31):
completely resolved sohistorically, a problem like
that's been kind of ashowstopper until I find a
solution for it.
I know the solution.
I just got to order morematerial samples and find the
right one.
I need to do that with the wayI want to do it.
But I've got them picked out.
They're in my cart on eBay,just haven't pulled the trigger

(01:40:52):
yet.
Not much work on the FlakPanzer and I'm telling you I'm
getting the itch to startanother airplane.
So I got to get something donebefore I do that.

Yeah, Now, this airplane isn't going to take
four years, right?
No it shouldn't.

Mike (01:41:06):
Okay, good, we'll see what it takes.

The last one was an award-winning aircraft.

Yes, that's true.
I was not denigrating thequality of it.

Mike (01:41:17):
Yeah, it came out okay.

It came out great .

Mike (01:41:20):
We'll see what the next one is.
Yeah, it came out.
Okay, it came out very nice.
We'll see what the next one is.

Yeah, that's right.

Mike (01:41:23):
Yeah, we'll see what the next one is.
I don't know yet.

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So tell me a favor, or yawnthat you've got Evan.

Well, this weekend was the big show in
Japan.
I tried to pronounce it before.

Shizuoka, or whatever.

Sorry, I can't pronounce that.
And I and I saw Hobby Japanannounce an S tank.
What's it?
Strutswagen 103.
Yep, and I'm sure it's nosurprise that I'm interested in
these turretless, sneaky tankkind of vehicles, as I like the
Sturmgeschütz, my favorite tank.
So this kit, I think, wasannounced actually, or initially

(01:42:41):
teased more than a year ago,but finally we see it in the
plastic and hopefully we see itin production soon, because I do
like that vehicle.
I think the trumpeter kit thatexists is a bit long in the
tooth.
Not bad, but a new kit fromHobby Japan, who apparently does
a very good job.
I've never built one of theirkits, but I think that'll be a

(01:43:02):
welcome addition to the market.

Mike (01:43:04):
Mike, I don't know I've got a fave this time.
Okay, I'll take a yawn.
The yawn for me and it'sprobably a fave for a lot of
people.
I guess AK's doing that Chevypickup truck in 35th scale.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah, a lot of use for that.
But man, that's like the mostunsexy thing ever.

It is unsexy, but it will be incredibly useful
for mob.

Mike (01:43:32):
It will be, we'll see, it's just not for me.

Yeah, I understand, it's a Chevy pickup
truck, you know.

Mike (01:43:40):
And keep going on the yawn theme and theme and having to
step on your toes here.
I don't know Cause we talk.
We were joking about this onthe on the message board, but
model collect is pumping outsome really ridiculous Japanese
paper.
Oh, super heavy tank destroyers.

I was disappointed when I saw that
that's ridiculous there's.

Mike (01:44:06):
There's plenty of good stuff to still do out there, man
yeah yeah, what about you, dave?

well, the one that caught my eye, and I have
no idea about this company ortheir quality.
I've never heard of them.
A company called AMC slash, amtFrance announced a Tachikawa
KI-74 in 72nd scale.
Now, this thing has never beenkitted before.

(01:44:34):
I think there might have been avery rare resin or vacuform,
but there'd never been a kit ofit.
It's a twin engine Japanesefast bomber recon heavy fighter.
They only built 16 of them, butthe Americans were aware of

(01:44:57):
them enough that they assignedthem the code name Pat or Patsy,
and it's just a really coollooking aircraft.
It's very, very sleek, veryaerodynamic and it would make a
great addition to a Japanesecollection.
So if anybody knows anythingabout this company, please reach

(01:45:23):
out and let me know, because Igot to say I'm interested.

Mike (01:45:27):
Anything else.

I've got a fave, I've got a fave based on the
last episode, the recentlyannounced Resin Tech Models KV4.

Mike (01:45:37):
Yeah, I saw that they posted that to the dojo.
I was glad to see them do that.
It's another obscure one that Idon't know it's for me, but I'm
going to send him some productsuggestions because that thing
looks phenomenal.

Yes, and for me, I'm with you there where it's
something I appreciate.
But I'm so close to orderingone of those because it's very
cool.
But first of all, I've alreadygot like three other KV1
projects and KV2 projects I wantto do.
I've already bought the kitsand aftermarket for.
And second of all, I think Jan,the guy who does the designs

(01:46:12):
like he's the guy behind thecompany I think he did the right
thing in designing the kit suchthat all the welds are not
there.
There's just the gaps for youto do your own welds, the putty
snakes and worms that you pushin there and then texture with
the night shift technique and soon.
But I can't do those welds goodenough to do it justice.

(01:46:35):
I am not good enough with thewelds.

I think you could do it I could, but you know
what steve husted says aboutpractice just I don't want to
practice on that thing.
It's expensive and beautifulyou practice on on a piece of
strip or styrene that you'vecarved channels in yeah, no, I
could, but I am so close todoing ordering that thing.

But I wouldn't do it justice.
There's going to be people outthere who do a great job with
that thing and I'll justappreciate it through them.

Mike (01:47:08):
Yeah, I appreciate his design skill.
There's a couple of things I'dlike to see him possibly tackle
that are a little bit moremainstream but vacant in the
market.

Dave got anything else, nope that's it All right,
Hold on.
Hold on, Dave.
You don't have a fave for therecently announced 135th scale
Border model P-51 and SBDDauntless.

No, I don't.
I mean, I don't begrudgeanybody having those, building
them whatever, just zerointerest from me.

I'm surprised Border is sticking with their
135th scale aircraft.
They're trying to make it athing, but I don't know if it's
going to work out.

Mike (01:47:47):
They're all in now, man.

Yeah, they are.
Gentlemen, we are almost at theend of the episode and I'm
happy to report I'm at the endof my beer garden blonde from
Braumeister Brewing Company outof Carlton Place, Ontario,

(01:48:10):
Canada, supplied by our guest.
He gave me this at Heritage Conin exchange for cheese 5%
alcohol by volume, very low IBU,meaning it's not bitter, it's
not hoppy, it's a verymiddle-of-the-road type beer.

(01:48:32):
It's something that you woulddrink.
It's kind of light.
You would drink it with adinner, you could drink it out
by the pool in the summer.
It would be refreshing.
Maybe not as refreshing assomething with a little more
citrus to it, but pretty darngood Canadian beer, I got to say
.

Yeah, I agree with you.
When I tried that, I thought itwas I guess this word might be
a bit mean, but a bitunremarkable.
It was perfectly acceptable,but it wasn't standout.
It wasn't something special,but it was perfectly acceptable
for a good quality beer.

Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of personality.

That's a good way to put it.

Yeah, so how about you Evan?

My Juice Box Hazy IPA by Sons of Kent.
It is clear that it is 6.9% ABVbecause you can actually like
it's one of those beers whereit's a bit boozy.
You can actually taste thataspect of it, but I don't mind.
The flavor is good.
As I initially suspected, it'smore of that citrusy hop.

(01:49:36):
It comes more across as theorange citrus.
Sometimes it leans more towardsa grapefruit with the hops,
which I also like, and I had onerecently which was called,
interestingly, the Hoppenheimer,which came across as banana
with the hops, which was veryinteresting.
I'd never seen that before.
But this, like I said, thisjuice box hazy IPA If you're

(01:49:59):
into these kind of citrusy IPAs,this is very nice but a bit
boozy.

Now I almost don't have to ask Mike, because
I know Bullet was.
It might not have beenRussell's reserve, which he's
been spoiling himself with, butI'm betting that it did okay.

Mike (01:50:14):
It did okay, and you took the words out of my mouth, dave
words out of my mouth, dave.

We are truly at the end of the episode and the
only thing left is shout-outs.
I'll start, if you all don'tmind.
I want to shout out theupcoming IPMS USA National
Convention in Hampton, virginia,and the awards packages, the
sponsorship for the awardspackages, have gone on sale and
it's important in any conventionfor the majority of the awards,

(01:50:55):
if not all of the awards, tohave a sponsor that pays for
that set of awards for aparticular category.
They are looking for sponsorsto step up.
So if your club or yourFacebook group wants to sponsor
an award or a category, pleasereach out to the folks at the

(01:51:21):
National Convention, go to theNational Convention website and
email them and they'll set youup with an award sponsorship.
Evan.

My shout-out it'll go to Mr Hamilcar Barcus,
who I think I shout out everytime I'm on here for various
reasons.
Understandable this time, yes,understandable, because he was
kind enough to host myself andmy fiancé for part of our
European trip and then take usto the Mojan show and show us
around and really made thevacation special.
When you've got a local guideit makes everything go smoothly.

(01:51:56):
So that is very muchappreciated, that's for sure.

Yeah.

And, of course, he is a fantastic YouTube scale
modeler.
I really enjoyed my pilgrimageto his workbench and seeing his
projects that I've been watchingon YouTube for like 14 years at
this point and it was reallycool to see everything in person
.
It was also inspiring towardsmy goal of building more
vignettes with figures andeverything with my armor

(01:52:21):
subjects.

Well, and having met him at Madison, he's a
really great guy.
He is a very nice fellow, youcan't complain, mike.

Mike (01:52:31):
Well, as always, dave, I'm going to shout out all the
folks who have chosen tocontribute to Plastic Model Mojo
through their generosity.
We've set up several avenuesfor folks to be able to do that
Mojo.
Through their generosity, we'veset up several avenues for
folks to be able to do that.
You can find them all on thesupport the show link on the
website, wwwplasticmodelmojocom,and you can find them in the
show notes to every episode aswell.
Folks, it's a big help to helpus cover our production expenses

(01:52:55):
and we really appreciate itvery much.
So thanks for that.

Yes, I'd like to second that.

Mike (01:53:00):
Any more.
Shout outs, guys, that's it.
That's it Well, evan.
Thanks for joining us again.
Thank you for having me on.
We appreciate your insight andwe'll get you on a little
quicker than a year and changenext time.

Right, we got to do this more than once a year.

Mike (01:53:15):
And I hope we see you before HeritageCon next year,
but I don't know if we will ornot.

Maybe We'll see the guys were trying to get me
to that.
Was it Amps in Atlanta inFebruary?

Yeah, oh, that's a good show.

That's tempting.

Yeah, Well, you know you pass right through.
You could fly into Louisvilleand we could drive you down.

Mike (01:53:38):
All right guys All right.
All right, all right guys, allright.

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