Talking shop with Mike and Kentucky Dave; Episode 134

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The Voice of Bob (Bair) (00:11):
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Mike (00:46):
All right, dave, episode 134.

Kentucky Dave (00:50):
Yes sir, we are into the thick of February man.

Mike (00:55):
We are.
It sounds like the weathermight try to come back this week
, you know.

I am over it, I am just freaking over it.

Mike (01:04):
Well, Louisville's in one of the lighter bands, so we'll
see what I have in the morning.

Yeah yeah, Luckily it's not so cold.
They've already canceled schoolfor tomorrow, so my daughter's
happy.

Mike (01:17):
I bet.
Oh well, man, Other than theweather in February, what is up
in your model sphere, Dave?

Well, my model sphere is stoked and scared.
Stoked because the website hasgone live and it looks great and
there's a lot of promise in itsfuture.
I'm scared because HeritageConis coming up and I got to get
this darn Moosaroo finished, soI am on it double time.

(01:48):
I got to get that done.

Mike (01:51):
Before HeritageCon it's extracurricular to HeritageCon.

Yes, Well, it needs to be done by the early
part of March.
So yeah, I'm hustling.

Mike (02:01):
Well, hopefully the end of the tunnel is in sight.
Let's hope, yep.

It's hope Yep it's getting there.

Mike (02:06):
All right.
Well, that's good.

So what's up in your model sphere?

Mike (02:11):
Well, it's kind of chill man.
I kind of got the website outthe door at least phase one of
it and just kind of took a pause.
After that we got to figure outwhat we're going to do next,
but just trying to figure outwhat we're going to do in 2025.

Well, hopefully we're going to get to a lot of
shows, I hope so it's going tobe hard to repeat last year.

Mike (02:34):
Yeah, it will.

It really will, and hopefully we're going to
make progress as modelers, as wehave said on this show from
time to time.
What's your plan for gettingbetter?
Yeah, we haven't said that in awhile.
I know Mr Hustad has remindedme of that, so, yeah, we need to

(02:56):
focus on that again.

Mike (02:58):
Well, we can talk a little bit about that in the special
segment.

Yes, we will definitely talk about that.
So you ready to?

Mike (03:05):
model I am.
Even the bench has been alittle chill of late, but I got
some things done.
I guess I got a little bit totalk about in the bench top
halftime report Not not as muchas the last couple of times, but
we're good.
We're trucking along.

Well, good, I assume you have a modeling fluid
.

Mike (03:24):
I do and, as I promised last time, I was going to have
something different.

And I do.
So what do you have?

Mike (03:30):
I've got something different too Town Branch,
Kentucky, Straight BourbonWhiskey from right here in
Leicenton Kentucky.

Oh, I don't think I've ever seen that before.
That's what I got Town BranchOkay, well, you'll have to tell
us at the end of the episode alittle more about it, because
I'm curious and what do you got?
Well, I've got Villa Italia,Italian blood orange soda with

(03:59):
an ice ball.
Last night was Super Bowl, andso Taking a break, huh I spent
the day eating wings anddrinking beer, and so I'm pretty
much beard out.
So I'm taking a break and I amhaving a blood orange soda.
This is really good.

(04:20):
They sell it at trader joe'sand and it's not cheap, but it's
really good.
So I'll tell you about it atthe end.

Mike (04:32):
Well, listener Bill Moore is going to be disappointed.
I was talking to him the othernight and the can pops one of
his favorite parts of the show.

Oh, I'm sorry.
All right, I promise there willbe a beer next time.

Mike (04:45):
He mentioned that I thought it was funny.
Yeah Well, we both havesomething different, so that's
good, yep, and we got plenty oflistener mail.

Good, anxious to hear.
I love the listener mail.

Mike (05:00):
All right, interesting mix this time, so let's get on into
it.
Dave, you got it First up fromUpminster, essex in the United
Kingdom.
Mr Mark Grant, he has somestorage tips.

We're going to get into that later.
Yeah, I need some storage tips.

Mike (05:18):
Well, his styrene bits and stuff were getting out of hand
and he found some 10 millimetersquare tubing and some eight
millimeter round tubing.
He made this holder up forhimself, put some thick styrene
on the bottom to stand up andhe's got all his stock in there.
Looks pretty nice.
I need to get these pictures upon the dojo is what I need to

(05:39):
do yes, you do it was a goodidea.
I like to let folks see it.

Yes, that is.
One thing that I find really isa challenge is storing my stock
and tube selection.

Mike (05:56):
And he also made a big organizer out of some MDF board
and a bunch of plastic totes.
That is organized in the restof his tools.
He doesn't really have aquote-unquote hobby room.
You know, dedicated space.
Yeah, Thanks to the tips, andhe sent several pictures and
we'll have to put those on thedojo for him.

Yes, definitely.

Mike (06:16):
Lister.
Paul Wheeler out of SpringfieldIllinois Chatted with him a
long time in our hotel room at Ithink it was Omaha.
Yeah, I think it was A couplethree shows back.

It's been a while .
It's hard to believe it's beengoing on this long.

Mike (06:30):
Well, he wanted to throw some props to Brandon and the
folks over at Squadron, oursponsor.
He had ordered an Airfix B24and the Edward boxing of the B26
.
And after two weeks of makingthe rounds from Georgia to
Illinois, you could probablywalk there in two weeks.

Yeah.

Mike (06:51):
Don't get me started.
Don't get me started.
Yeah, he opened the box to find, you know, the overpack, to
find the Edward box had beencompletely smashed, slid open,
said.
The parts looked like theymight be all right, but it
bothered him enough to letBrandon know what was going on,
what the post was doing to hisgoods.

Yeah.

Mike (07:11):
Says Brandon got back with him right away and said he'd
stuck a new kit in the mail.
Thought that was some prettyfine service from Squadron.

That is, and, man , I'll tell you what, in fact,
it made the local news here.
In fact, it made the local newshere.
The USPS package deliverysystem has melted down in
Louisville, and enough that itbecame enough of a scandal that
it actually was the subject of acouple of news reports.

Mike (07:44):
Bruce Bingston and he's in the San Francisco, california
area.
Sorry folks, another picture.
I'll have to get this one uptoo the Zimmerit house.
He was waiting in the caroutside the Sunnyside
neighborhood in San Franciscowhile his wife was dropping off
some quilts she had made for acharity.
And he looks up in this houseand the stucco on it has been

(08:04):
rendered in a very familiarpattern.

Oh really.

Mike (08:11):
Coincidentally, but he was wondering why a wood-framed
single-family home would need toworry about magnetically
attached mines and explosives.

Well, that was clearly done by Hans, the house
stuccoer, who came over afterWorld War II.

Mike (08:26):
Maybe he did.
He used to work for Miag orAlcott or somebody.

Exactly.

Mike (08:32):
Well, rick Reinert, he's down from the Lowcountry Myrtle
Beach area, south Carolina, andhe wanted to promote a show.
All right, and we'll do thatand maybe we'll do a little more
detail later.
This show is March 29th 2025.
It's the Grand Strand ScaleModelers model show in Myrtle
Beach, south Carolina, and theshow theme is the Pacific Rim.

Oh, that's cool.

Mike (08:56):
Informational email addresses here.
You can also go towwwgrandstrandscalemodelers it's
not grandstand, it'sgrandstrandscalemodelersorg One
big long word, and there you canfind the show information.
So, rick, we're glad to promotethe show, and I don't know,

(09:18):
lower South Carolina at the endof March ought not be too bad.

Yeah, it's a week after HeritageCon.
It is Probably warmer in South.

Mike (09:24):
Carolina, I bet you there's a week after Heritage
Con it is Probably warmer inSouth Carolina.

I bet you there's no snow in South Carolina in
late March.

Mike (09:32):
Probably not Next up.
Dave is Pat Cowden and he isfrom Kiefer, oklahoma, and we've
talked a lot about working onan old kit or a hard kit or a
crappy kit, only to have the newversion appear while you're
right in the middle of it.

Right Sacrificing to the modeling gods.

Mike (09:49):
Well, he was building the Heller H35 Hotchkiss light tank.

Oh sorry.
Thank you for your service,throwing yourself on that kit.

Mike (10:01):
Well, and there's a Bronco one and a, I think, a hobby
Boss one too.
Yeah, so that's not the newestkit.
Certainly Well, the Tamiya oneis, but there are other kits
between the Heller one and theTamiya one.

Yeah, but he clearly got Mr Tamiya to kit the
H35 by going and getting theoldest of the releases of that
vehicle and building it.

Mike (10:29):
Well, it makes me wonder what rabbit hole Tamiya might go
down next in 35th scale armor,because that one kind of rounds
out the suite of the must-havesfor the French major vehicles of
World War II.
They've got the Char B1,They've got the Somua S35.
They got an R35.
And now they've got an H35, 39.

(10:51):
And the Lorraine tractor too.
Yes, so they've got the biggerones.
So, boy, it wouldn't be greatif they beat Hobby Boss to a
BT-5 and then rip through allthe T-26s.

That'd be great.
I was going to say that wouldbe cool, as would any Polish
stuff.

Mike (11:13):
Or maybe they'll go back and start doing the other T-34s.

That would be good too.

Mike (11:19):
We have no information, folks.
I'm just sitting here dreamingon a live mic Now, up next, from
Broomfield, colorado, suburb ofNorth Denver, north of Denver,
rick Baker.
He says he's a scale modeloutlier.
Stu and the folks at ScaleModel Podcast just covered this
Scale wars and it's ahypothetical situation and I

(11:41):
needed to prepare you for this.
So we're going to save this.
Okay, I'm going to save it forthe next installment of Shop
Talk maybe.
Okay, so we're going to tacklethis, rick, but we just can't do
it tonight.
But we did get it and weappreciate it and I noticed Stu
and company took care of theirsjust this weekend.

(12:02):
I don't know if OTB's touchedit yet or not and I don't know
if the posse's touched it yet ornot.
Got this email the end ofJanuary, so it's pretty fresh.

Okay.

Mike (12:11):
So we'll have to.
I need to set that onesomewhere, put it over there.
Next, another one from the UKNorth Somerset Modelers Society
in the United Kingdom, david Pye, and he was thanking us for the
dojo being a platform wherefolks can interact.
It's his first thing he wantedto mention, because he got in
touch with Ed Barrett out inCalifornia and he didn't give me

(12:35):
the topic, but apparently Ed'sgoing to do a talk for his club
Now.
I guess he's going to do thatover some electronic means or
Either that or Ed's flying toEngland.

Maybe he is, I don't know.

Mike (12:49):
It'd be a good vacation.
Well, that's cool, that's right.
I mean, stuff like this justhappens organically when you've
got a community like that.

Yes, absolutely Absolutely.
As I've said numerous times,the community that's grown up
around the podcast has been thesingle most pleasant surprise
about doing this thing.

Mike (13:15):
Well, his second point was going back to episode 132 with
Steve Anderson and during ourconversation about his
journaling, or the journal he'spublished, he had made a comment
about celebrating what wentwrong in a build or project or
what happened.
David thought that was a greatone, so he's made that part of

(13:35):
the second half of a meeting forthem at his model club.
So it's interesting.

It's a good way to turn an otherwise negative
into a positive, into a learningexperience.

Mike (13:49):
Next is Ray Lapius and he's in Michigan somewhere.
He sent us a dispatch from theMidMichigan modelers, Okay, and
he went to their show and hesaid it was anything but mayhem.
Really great show, greatlocation, easy access, plenty of
parking, lots of room fordisplays and vendors with room
to grow.
He wanted to applaud theirefforts and thank them profusely

(14:12):
and encourages anyone withindriving distance, both vendors
and modelers, to make plans toget to Saginaw and attend the
2026 4M Model Mayhem.

You know that warms my heart to hear.
I'm glad we were able to helppromote the show.
These host clubs really go outof their way to make an effort
to put on a show to welcomemodelers from the surrounding
areas and it's really nice tohear somebody come back and say,

(14:46):
hey, they did a really greatjob.
Thank you.
And you know, when you're at ashow and you have a really good
time, find one of the local guyswho helped put it on and let
them know how much youappreciated it.

Mike (15:05):
Well, speaking of Steve Anderson, he's written in again.
And how much you appreciated it.
Well, speaking of SteveAnderson, he's written in again
and says you are right, dave,I'm always right.
He says he's too eclectic toagree with you on your one true
scale stance, but you're 100%right about how great our
listeners are.
Well, thanks, steve.
Gets back to the other email.
Right, yeah, he said he's heardyou say it tons of times and

(15:26):
boy did it prove true at theHope it Don't Snow show in
Rochester, Minnesota.
I mean, he told us he was goingto go, yeah, and he was there
selling some of his stash andjournals and a number of the
listeners came up and hadconversations with him.
And he says he met Mark fromthe Twin City Arrow Historians,
which makes me wonder if that'sMr Copeland.

That is indeed Mr Copeland.

Mike (15:51):
Well good, he said everybody was incredibly nice.
That was his first model show,or he'd be taking out his first
model club meeting this Saturdaybecause of it.

Well, good, that's fantastic.

Mike (16:02):
Well our ambassadorship is working out.
It's good to know.
Yes, it is Well my last email.
Well, what am I going to savetill after their ad?

Got one from the Dixie Flyer himself Warren
Dickinson, Down there insouthern Kentucky.
Hope he doesn't get too muchsnow.

Mike (16:25):
He says he could have sworn.
He had seen a whiskey glass ortumbler for sale on our swag
section recently, but he doesn'tsee it on the website now.
So if it's just his imaginationrunning away with him, I saw
what you did there, warren.
That's a temptation song.

What he probably saw was the picture of a
prototype glass that I postedwhen you and I.
I posted a photograph alongwith the on-air sign when you
and I were recording a previousepisode, and that's probably
what he remembers, but withoutspoiling it too much.

(17:01):
We are currently working onthis as an item, so stay tuned.

Mike (17:09):
I've been through a couple of prototypes now.
Yes, I think we're threeactually, because you had your
freelance attempt and now we'vebeen getting a little help.
So yes it's all good.
I can't wait Me too.
Well, dave.
That's it from the email sideof things until a little later.
So what's been going on withthe DMs?

The DM sides have been very active.
I just want to highlight a fewof them.
First of all, thank you to allof the people who DMed saying
that they'd gone to the websiteand how much they thought of it.
That they'd gone to the websiteand how much they thought of it
, and that's very flattering,particularly for Mike, because

(17:54):
Mike is the driving force behindthat website.
I will tell you and a lot ofpeople DM to tell us that A lot
of people also DM to tell us howmuch they enjoyed Dr Miller's
last appearance.
We got a number of people whowere happy to see Dr Miller back
on the show and I want to thankeverybody who wrote in to let

(18:18):
us know that he thought he'dstuffed it up.
Well, he always does that.

Mike (18:24):
I know it wasn't the first time he's asked about that yes,
no john, you didn't stuff it upno, you did a great job.

Kenneth walt scott jr dm'd me because we were
talking about acquisitions andand stashes and you know buying
more models than your currentbuilding rate will support, and
he came up with my favorite newacronym that I am going to use

(18:52):
from now on Sable S-A-B-L-EStash Acquired Beyond Life
Expectancy.

Mike (19:02):
I think I've heard that before, but it is good.

I have never heard that one before.
So, kenneth, I'm giving youcredit for it, and I have
already reached Sable and I'mgoing to have to do something
about that.
We'll see, but that's my newfavorite acronym.

Mike (19:21):
About an eight word sentence in your will.
We'll take care of it, man.

That's right.
All of it goes to Evan McCallum.
Dave Weiss reached out to askabout attending the Nats, but
attending only for part of thetime.
He's a pastor, so he needs tobe back for Sunday morning early

(19:47):
and so thus if he attends theNats, it would be like for
Wednesday or Thursday, orThursday and Friday, something
like that.

Mike (19:57):
Or Wednesday, thursday, friday and leave on Saturday.
He could still get a lot of theshow.

He can still get it.
Well, and I did tell him that.
But he was asking is it worthattending even if you don't have
the ability to go and enterbecause you have to be somewhere
?
Sunday morning God's expectingyou.
And I told him that, listen,even if you can only attend for

(20:22):
a day, you know, no matter whatday it is, Wednesday or Thursday
or Friday, even if you can onlyattend for a day, it is worth
going Because just that one dayexperience it's a local or a
regional show on steroids,steroids.

(20:48):
Now, the only problem withattending for one day or a short
period of time is that youdon't get the extended social
experience that you might getover a couple of days.
You know, going out to lunch ordinner with the guys hanging
out after the show closes downin the evening, but still, yes,
it is well worth going, even ifyou can only go for part of a

(21:09):
day.
Still worth doing, Wasn't hekind of close?
Yeah, he was relatively close,as close as us.

Mike (21:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I would agree.
I mean, if you could get therewednesday evening and do all of
thursday, leave on friday, or doall of friday and leave
saturday.
I mean really, I think if youleft by midday saturday you
would probably have experienced90 plus percent of the show that

(21:40):
would be relevant to anybody.
Did not enter the the contest.

Yeah, oh yeah, no , like I said, the only thing if
you can't attend the wholething, the only thing you miss
out on is getting to participatein the actual contest and, as I
have said to a number of people, sometimes to their chagrin,

(22:07):
the contest is the leastimportant part of the nationals
I mean it's great.
Don't get me wrong.
It's wonderful.
I love seeing all the models,but actually it's great if you
go and enter.
It's even better if you goenter and win something.
It's very validating, but it isall of the other stuff that

(22:32):
makes the Nationals theNationals.

Mike (22:35):
And any show for that reason really.

Yes, and that's true of any show, but especially
for the Nationals.

Mike (22:41):
That's true, and the survey doesn't lie.
That's right.

The survey doesn't lie.
That's right.
The survey doesn't lie.
Let's hope people are payingattention.
Chris Doppler, one of ourlisteners up from the Duneland
Club, I want to give him aspecial shout out.
He's one of the guys who wrotein to tell us how impressed he
was by the website et cetera,and he was already a Patreon and

(23:08):
he upped his Patreoncontribution and really I want
to thank you for doing that.
Anybody who gives anythingreally is helping us to defray
the costs of what we're tryingto do here, what we're trying to
build, and that was veryvalidating to have someone reach

(23:31):
out and do that and tell usthey've done that.
So thank you, Chris, that wasreally wonderful.

Mike (23:38):
Got any more.
That's it.
Well, folks, if you want towrite into the show, you can do
so through a couple of avenuescurrently.
Maybe we'll have more later, Idon't know, we'll see.
That's right.
Things may be happening.
Plasticmodelmojo at gmailcom isthe email way to do it, or you
can direct message us viaFacebook, facebook Messenger.
So I usually handle email andDave usually handles the DMs,

(24:01):
and I don't know it's gotten tobe about a balance as far as
numbers of late.
So I'm glad you helped me outthere, bud.

Now listen.
I got to do something, but youknow I'm not just a pretty face.

(24:41):
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He's got a YouTube channelcalled Panzermeister36.

(26:00):
Man, I hope his latest projectshows up soon.
Yes, I know that one's got meexcited.
Panzermeister36 on YouTube.
Chris Wallace, model airplanemaker.
Great blog, great YouTubechannel.
Keeps getting better and better.
What's he working on now?
He was he's painting.
He's working on his Aerocobra.

You're right.
P-39 from Arma.

Mike (26:21):
Okay, 48 scale one though.

Yes, that's right , we'll forgive him.
He's a great guy and a Canadian.

Mike (26:27):
So we'll see how that goes here, hopefully not too long.
Yeah, the Inch High Guy, jeffGroves, the Inch High Blog, all
things 72nd scale there.
Always got some cool stuffgoing on.

Yes, absolutely.
Stephen Lee Spru, that's also72nd Scale Aficionado long and
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See what Steve's been up to oflate and Steve is going to be in
Louisville in March with hislovely bride for a conference,
so I have promised him a trip toscale reproductions.

(26:59):
I'll have to come in for thattoo.
You definitely have to.

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(28:43):
Dave, it's time for Shop Talkagain, finally, yep.

Mike (28:51):
We got out of our cadence because of the restructuring of
the last episode.
Well, it was worth it.
It was worth it, so we got someinteresting things here.
I think so we should just getright into it.
Agreed, think so we should justget right into it, agreed.

Well, I'm going to start with mine.

Mike (29:16):
Okay, I'll be interested to see what you mean by this.
I just finished the E-16 floatplane, nepal, yeah, and I was
just curious generally.
And then, as it relates to whatyou've done in the last year
doesn't have to be in the lastyear, but however long you want
to go back, what you've done orhaven't done or wished you did,
that pushed your skills comfortzone, and then what have you

(29:39):
learned from that?
And is there anything you wantto do in the coming year which
might get to our last question?
So we might save that, okay,but what is the ebb and flow of
that?
What is the?
And if you want me to start, Ican start or you can start.

No, I'm ready to dive into this one.

Mike (29:55):
Well, knock yourself out, Dave.

One of the things that in the last year I focused
on was re-scribing, because Ihave not been as successful in
re-scribing panel lines as I'vewanted to be, and so, between
talking with some really greatmodelers and basically

(30:23):
practicing and paying more andbetter attention, I think within
the last year that's a skillthat I've worked on that has
improved in my modeling.
I like it, I like what I'velearned, I like where it's going
.
Now the problem is is and thisis a problem for me generally

(30:46):
I'm not building as fast as Ineed to.
We talked previously aboutwanting and needing to build
faster, simply because thatalone, I think, is a skill
builder for the rescribing yeahwhat's the progression there?

Mike (31:01):
where were you before your last build to where you are now
?
I promise I'm not bringing itup to make a dig about it, but
did you do any rescribing on theF8?

No, well, just you know the erased panel lines,
which is generally what I'mtalking about in most cases, as
opposed to somebody who takes anold kit, eliminates all the
raised lines and scribes in newrecess lines, which I did on an
old Tamiya Zero or not TamiyaHasegawa Zero in 72nd scale, and

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then Hasegawa, a year later,went ahead and released the same
kit with recess panel lines.
So there's a sacrifice to themodeling gods.
But basically it was notdevoting enough attention and
effort to it and, again, becauseI build slower than I should

(31:59):
and I need to, that one of thethings that it's a skill like
airbrushing that atrophies ifyou don't do it, and basically
acquiring the touch and payingmore attention to the detail as

(32:21):
I did it, rather than rushing toget it half done to move on to
something else.
The other skill that I'veworked on and this is completely
new to me was on the LCM-3, Iused my cutter to make masks.

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Now, that was my first timedoing it and they came out okay,
but just okay.
I learned that I have a verybig skill mountain to climb when
it comes to that.
But it was something new,something I tried that I hadn't

(33:04):
tried before.
Got a new piece of equipmentand learned to use it without
letting it become a whole newhobby, and so I've at least
begun to add that to my skillset.
Now I'm going to need a lotmore work with that, because I
tried to do some masks on theSAM and that didn't work out and

(33:25):
I had to drop back and resortto decals.
So I'm not there yet, but I'mat least trying new things, and
that is one of the things.
When you model, I really dothink that with every model you
should try something new.
If you don't, and you justcrank out cookie cutters, you

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can build beautiful models thatway, but I know for me I'd get
bored if I didn't try new stuff.
So, and I need to build faster,and we just all are going to
acknowledge that, especiallysince, hey, you finished one for
the year, I haven't, so you'reahead of me.

Mike (34:07):
Yeah, but you got more on deck than I got.

Yeah, so now we know what skills you let's's see
with the paul.
You photo etched.
You made your own photo etch, Idid.
You did canopy masking for thefirst time in a long time that
wasn't in 2024, though well, Idon't even know that I masked

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the canopy in 2020.

Mike (34:31):
Yeah, okay, I probably did .
I think I did.

Well, I'm talking about the whole stretch of the
project.
I wasn't going to gig you overthe four years that it went on,
but when you look at your Paulproject I mean you literally
made your own photo etch, whichjust to me was a really, really

(34:54):
impressive thing to see.
You know, you decided to builda 72nd scale aircraft for the
first time in a long, long, long, long, long, long time and you
took on a greenhouse canopy anda float plane that's jumping
into the deep end of the pool.

Mike (35:15):
Well, I think that's it.
All those little things youjust mentioned.
All are under the umbrella ofbuilding the first aircraft I've
built in a long time, 30 plusyears.

Yeah, that's something that I'm curious about
.
You did all this work on thisairplane.
Do you think any of the skillsthat you acquired or stretched
or learned, or whatever, will betransferable back to armor
modeling?

Mike (35:49):
Some of them will, but they'll certainly be
transferable to the nextairplane I built.
Well, yeah, good.

Come into the light.
The next airplane I built.
Well, yeah, good, come into thelight.
Come in 70 seconds.
Get layer clear, come in, comeinto the light.

Mike (36:00):
What was the big takeaway was when I got it done and I
started working on the armormost of the time again over the
last two or three, four weeks,just having to learn how to
handle that model, and the factit was a float plane didn't make
it any easier.

Right Looking back, I don't know why I picked
that one, but I'm glad you didBecause again, you don't see
that model built very often.

Mike (36:29):
No, you don't.
It's the dive breaks in thefront struts that make people
not want to build it, which Itook care of that with the photo
etch.
But back to the point, just thehandling and how fragile it
actually was at any point duringthis construction Well, not any
point.
Once the floats were on, Onceit was mostly together how

(36:52):
fragile it was compared to anarmor kit in the same kind of
situation.

Right.

Mike (36:57):
I started working on the KV-85 again and I was like just
ham fist and gorilla finger inthe thing, man, I didn't care
because I knew what I was doing,right, I knew what I could get
away with.
The airplane was completely notin my comfort zone just from
the fear of breaking the thing,and I did break it a couple
times, yeah, and that was neverfun.

(37:19):
Negative modeling's never fun.
But I think I learned a lot, alot of little stuff.
The photo etch yeah, that couldbe applicable to armor again,
the now not the canopy, becausethat was because that was
pre-cut masks, which were great,but just the masking of
everything else, again, becauseit was a float plane, that

(37:41):
wasn't easy.
I learned a lot there.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you.
One of the things I bet youlearned is having to think
through what and how you'regoing to mask, to paint the
scheme, in what order.

Mike (37:57):
Oh, I did, and how I was going to even pull it off, and
it's not, you know, it's notreally that complicated a scheme
, but Right, you got all this.
You got all these floats in theway, just, and even how to
spray the paint, and and, okay,I'm going to gonna mask this,
but this is far away, I don'tneed to worry about it.
Well, do you?

(38:17):
Because you're going to bespraying this thing flipped
upside down, turn to six o'clockand holding your airbrush out
like this, to even hit that backcorner and what, what's past
that, now that you didn't mask,well, well, crap's half the
rudder.
So maybe I better mask off alot more.
And I did.
I masked the crap out of thatthing just to paint some very

(38:38):
small areas.
And I don't know.
That was interesting.
Was it enjoyable, boy?
It was stressful while I wasdoing it but in the end, when it
all worked out, yeah I can sayI enjoyed it now.
Very satisfying.
It was very satisfying.
The other thing was reallygetting back in the groove of

(38:58):
decaling.
Since Deep Six my interest inmodel railroading kind of
wholesale got out of that.

Right.

Mike (39:07):
I was decaling all the time when I was doing that and
really hadn't done much.
A few, I think.
There's a few decals, like onthat little Airfix Bofors and
Morse tractor I built.
There were no decals.
On the PT-76 I built.
There are decals on the ammoboxes on the ZIS-2 anti-tank gun

(39:30):
emplacement thing I built.
But you know, very, verylimited Right.
Those are all situations thathad wide margins for goof up the
aircraft.
Not so much and you would thinkthat might atrophy as well.
But some of the things did,some of the handling things did.

(39:51):
You know you're a little roughon things and not as delicate as
you might remember you neededto be.
But the basic process thoughthat all kind of came back and
it came out pretty well, likethe float stripes where I
doubled up the layers ofdifferent color trim film to get
away from using the out ofregister decals To get away from

(40:11):
using the out of registerdecals.
That was something I used to doin model railroading all the
time and to do some complexgraphics and paint schemes.
Just stack up basic shapes tillyou get it right and you could
have three or four layers ofdecal and not really have a
problem with that.
But the trim film gets reallythin.
So I kind of put that back intoplay again and just I don't
know.
It makes me think what the nextaircraft's going to be, and the

(40:37):
whole thing was just reallyjuxtapositioned against my armor
builds once I got back intothem.
Now this little flak panzerthat's 3D printed has got some
of its own challenges.
I don't want to get into thosetonight but maybe the next time
I talk about that one ad nauseumin the Bench Top Halftime
Report I'll vent about 3Dprinted models.

(40:58):
So I guess we're always tellingpeople to get out of their
comfort zone and try new things.
That was kind of my takeaway inthe last year that aircraft
build was.
There are lots of things aboutit that were outside my comfort
zone and it was reallysatisfying to get through them

(41:20):
to a degree that I could behappy with or, to the lesser
extent, Flak Panzer.

Do you find yourself a little more relaxed
because it is in your comfortzone?
You've done armor enough thatyou're much more relaxed.
You're not having to thinkabout it as hard.

Mike (41:50):
The relaxed part, yes, but a little different swizzle on
the think about it hard part.
With that.
With the armor projects, I canthink three, four, five steps
ahead.
You know, basically with aproject like the kv-85 there's
some things in the kitinstructions I'm concerned about
some order and you know whatparts are what.
But once those fundamentalthings are in my head I really

(42:13):
don't ever hardly go back to theinstruction sheet again.
I know how this thing's comingtogether, two or three, four,
five steps down the line andit's just kind of automatic and
that just comes from being wellwithin your comfort zone.
I think those projects don'trequire a lot of planning.

(42:33):
Now there's a couple of thingsthat will.
I'll get to that in theBenchtop Halftime Report.
But I've got a couple of thingsI've got to solve on that
project.
But by and large it's all justkind of coming natural.
Anything else you want to sayon the skilled comfort zone,
dave?
Well, yours is next, dave.

(42:54):
So why don't you let folks knowwhat you want to talk about
tonight?

and and there's a reason for this, I'm I'm
talking organization, as youknow, because, mike, you've been
in my model room.
It's a claustrophobic disasterand I recently went out and got
some wire shelving to.

(43:19):
I've got attached to the modelroom a stash closet which is
much more than a closet, it's agiant walk-in.
But I had model boxeseverywhere.
They were flowing out into myhobby room.
I had stuff everywhere and thenI've got, because I'm a.

(43:44):
As much as I wanted to was thatit was unconsciously
claustrophobic for me.
Clutter will do that.
Clutter will do that and youdon't necessarily realize it

(44:10):
when it's happening Becomes astressful space.
It does, and you don't want to.
Our hobby is the opposite ofwhat we want to be stressful.
So, and also, if there are abunch of really good modelers
that you and I both know andthat we interact with on a

(44:31):
pretty regular basis, and fromtime to time they will send us
pictures of their modelingspaces and, almost without
exception, they are superorganized, super neat, super
clean, super organized.

Mike (44:51):
Well, it may just be for the photo op.

Super clean, super organized Well, it may
just be for the photo op, and Idon't believe well, seriously, I
don't believe that's the casebecause I know these people and
that's their personalities.
But I really do think thathaving that level of

(45:18):
organization can make you abetter modeler, not only because
it makes you want to go downand sit down at the bench more
often.
Where the bench becomes awelcoming place instead of a
place where you go in and thenyou look at all of the next time
you come over, you will see atleast a somewhat more organized

(45:41):
modeling space.
Now I know you've got plansafoot for some organizational
changes in your modeling areatoo, don't you?

Mike (45:54):
I do.
It's some cabinetry and stuffthat I've put off since we
bought this house.
We moved here in 09.
Sounds about right, yeah.
Yeah 16 years, 16 years ago, andjust other things have taken
precedence over my.
You know, my own needs, mywants, they're not my needs.

(46:16):
I don't need, right, I don'tneed everything I want to do
down here, but boy, it sure bemore pleasant place, right, and
we're going to be kind of quasiempty nest here in a few months,
and there's a bunch of stuffdown here that I'm going to be
getting rid of.
There's a bunch of stuff downhere that I'm going to be
getting rid of because it sathere for 14 years or however
long we just said, and nobodywants it.

(46:39):
Well, I think they want it.

I don't.
They don't want it, they don'tuse it, but they don't want to
throw it away or give it away.

Mike (46:47):
It's either going to either take it or it's going to
be taken.
There you go and that goes.
You know we got plans upstairstoo and the rest of the domain,
so this is my area.
But you know, I can look aroundright now and I got paperwork
just freaking piled everywheredown here, yes, and it's making
me angry.
I got to get some of this stuffthrown away and sorted and keep

(47:10):
as little of it as possible,but I tend to.
You know, we we joke about, wemake a play on the critical mass
you know right, critical masscritical mess.
We've achieved critical mess,and that's the time when well,
for me it's when you just lost atool you had four minutes ago
and it's right in front of yousomewhere, but there's too much

(47:32):
crap on your workbench to findit.

That is a related organizational point that I
forgot to mention.
I am trying to get better abouteach time I use a tool even if
I think I'm going to need thattool later in the modeling
session or at my next modelingsession putting the tool back in
its place, because I can't tellyou how many times I spend five

(48:00):
minutes looking for somethingsome modeling tool that I just
had out and was using just theother day and my bench is so
cluttered that when I look forit I can't see it for the
clutter.

Mike (48:19):
So when that happens to me and I know you do it to a
similar degree is you stop?
Yep, you clean up.
Oh, there it is.
Well, let's put all this othercrap away too.
You give yourself some moreelbow room, and I don't know if
that's organization or justcleanliness.

Well, I think they are related.

Mike (48:39):
They are related.
They are related but generally,am I organized?
I probably erred organizationbut right now just running out
of space.
Well, I'm not running out ofspace, I'm running out of
organized space.
I've got plenty of floor spaceto do something else with and
hopefully, and like you, I gotbooks too.
I got a full bookcase and I gotsome cardboard boxes that are

(49:01):
full of books and it's all kindof in a greater plan to fix this
place up here in the next year,year and a half and get some
better organization, because youknow I miss my old shop all the
time at the old house.

Yeah, you had a good one.

Mike (49:17):
I did and I kept that place pretty neat and pretty
organized.
Now a lot of other things in mylife have changed since then,
so it wasn't just theorganization that was making me
enjoy the hobby maybe a littlemore.
It was a lot of other concernsin life that didn't exist yet.

Yeah.

Mike (49:33):
But you know I get it, man , it's your shelving.
You'll get some of that stuffout of your primary build room
and get some sanity back inthere.
Yeah, anything else.
On organization, you want totalk about my friend?
Nope.
So folks, tell us what youthink about either your skills,
comfort zone or organization.
But we got one more topiccoming up in a second.

(49:55):
Well, this one I picked daveout of steve anderson's a guided
journal for modelers, likewe've told folks we're going to
do.
We're about an episode latebecause, again, the reshuffling
that happened with the extendeddr strange brush episode and
this is a good one.

(50:15):
It is because we've talkedabout the year past but we've,
unlike some of the other shows,other pods in the model sphere,
we haven't really talked about2025 yet.
And this question from Steve'sjournal is what do you want the
next year of modeling to looklike?
I'll let you start, okay.

First, let me start at a high level.
I want to be more productive.
I want to be more productive.
I want to finish more models.
Now I've had this talk with Jimand with some other folks
Finishing a model is not thebe-all and end-all, because if
you're enjoying the hobby andyou know, I know modelers who

(51:00):
build models but then prime themand never paint them Former
club president in Louisville wasknown as Optimus Primer because
he would do that he would builda bunch of models, get them to
the prime stage and then startsomething new.
So, and he was enjoying himselfyeah, I mean, he's a good

(51:22):
modeler, having a lot of fun,really enjoyed his hobby and so
completion is not the be-all andend-all, but I do think that
completing models does, in manycases, bring satisfaction.
I think you would admit thatwhen you finished the Paul, you

(51:42):
felt a level of satisfactionthat you probably didn't expect,
especially since it turned outmaybe better than you thought it
might when you began theproject.
So I do want to finish moremodels in 2025.
I want to get to as many showsas possible, because again

(52:07):
that—and not because—heck Iprobably don't enter at half the
contests I go to, or more thanhalf.
I like the social aspect ofmodeling.
Most of my really good friendsare modelers, and so when I go
to a show, I will see modelersthat I may not have seen since

(52:33):
the last time I saw them at ashow.
And now, with technology, wecan interact more online emails,
dms.
We might even get together fora group Zoom once in a while,
but nothing beats going to ashow and sitting down and
talking at length, face-to-face,in person.

(52:56):
So I want to do that and I wantto, as I mentioned in the last
segment, get more organized.
2025 is the year oforganization.
I am going to make my modelingspace much more livable, much
more inviting, so that I amdrawn to the model room.

(53:22):
So that's my high-level view ofwhat I want 2025 to look like.
How about you?

Mike (53:30):
We always want to finish more.
But I think you mentioned on itthere and it gets back to
something that I think isimportant and I think some of
our colleagues in this spacewill think it's a cop-out,
because they may be more aboutthe finish side or the show side
of things.
But the journey for me, justthe sitting down and the

(53:53):
creativity and the doing, is asmuch the fun of this as ever
getting to the end.
And don't get me wrong, whenthat plane was done I could just
sit back and say I don't haveanything left to do on it.
I'm looking at it, I think itlooks pretty good, I'm pleased
with it and I'm happy that I'mdone with it.
I enjoy that too.

(54:14):
But just sitting down here andpecking away at these two tanks,
I got on my workbench right nowthinking through the next
problem.
Eventually I'll just run out ofproblems to solve on that thing
and it'll be done.
That's kind of the way Iapproach things and people can
give me all the hard time theywant.
That's just not the.
You know I do it my way.

You do you?
Well, exactly, there's no wrongway to build a model.

Mike (54:37):
I think I want to pick something else to start here
soon that's going to push theskills comfort zone again in
this year.
I would like to do that.
I don't know what it's going tobe yet.

I was going to ask you if you've been thinking
about what it might be.

Mike (54:53):
I have.
They've all been mentionedbefore.
The Katyusha is one I want todo.
The German equivalent onmaltier, the armored maltier
panzerwerfer, is what I want todo.
Right, both of those are prettyinvolved.
A lot of them are cross-kitkind of things and kind of the
the type of project I reallylike.
Really, those are still armored.
I don't know that those aregoing to really push the katusha

(55:15):
might, because truck cabs andinteriors and things with glass
aren't quite the same as tanks,right.
So maybe a little bit there,but there's going to be
something with wings on it again, and I'm not sure which one
that's going to be, maybe a carmodel or a railroad train car.
I've not done the automobileAutomobiles, I don't know.

(55:38):
That's really a genre that isnot one that really interests me
personally a lot.
So I don't think it's going tobe that Cause I think if I
develop like a high gloss finishskill you know, with a few
exceptions, that's going to bethe only place that's going to
be applicable and that's that'snot a rabbit hole I'm going to
go down and build a lot of cars,down and build a lot of cars.
It's just not going to happen.
I don't know what it's going tobe.

(55:59):
I want to explore this lasercutting.
That's one thing.
That's one thing I want to do.
Yeah, 2025.

Well, you've got the toy to do it.
I do.

Mike (56:09):
Well, I don't work this and, like you, I'd like to get
as many shows as possible.
Skeptical, we skeptical.
We're going to be able torepeat 2024.
I think we got lucky in acouple areas.
We did, but you know it was allfun.
Yes, We'll see how it goes.

Absolutely.
I will remember 2024 as areally, really good year in
modeling.
It was Even though I finishedonly one model.
It can't be high tide though.

Mike (56:39):
No, it cannot be, so we'll keep moving forward.
I finished only one model.
It can't be high tide, though.
No, it cannot be, so we'll keepmoving forward.
You know 2025, there's somemodeling adjacent activities
that are going to be part of thewebsite.
Going forward that, I'm lookingforward to doing some things
that I thought I might do in adifferent way.
I know I'm being vague, butthat's just the way it's going
to be until we actually rollsome of this stuff.

(56:59):
But looking forward to that,that's going to be a we actually
roll some of this stuff, butlooking forward to that.
That's going to be a littlewhile, though, but yeah, I think
pushing the skills comfort zoneone more time for 2025 is
something I want to do.
I'm just not sure what it'sgoing to be yet.

Well, I'm looking forward to finding out with you
.

Mike (57:16):
Well, folks we've gone on here a little bit.
That's the shop talk forepisode 134.
I'd really like to know whatfolks have done for pushing
their own skills comfort zones,and we've already got some
listener mail about organization.

Yes.

Mike (57:31):
And then, what are you folks doing for 2025?
That's above and beyond whatyou did in the last year.
So let us know via listenermail or let us know via direct
message.

And do me one more favor Everybody take a
picture of your modeling area,your modeling room, your
modeling bench, whatever.
Post it in the dojo.
I would just like to seeeverybody's different setup,
because I think that would bekind of interesting to compare
and contrast different people'smodeling areas.

(58:06):
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So, christian, thank you forthat, and that will launch us
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Kentucky Dave (01:00:15):
Yes, well, I could tell you what I've been
doing at the bench, but then I'dhave to kill you, the reason
being I've been working on theMoosaroo feverishly and it's
coming along, and I have spent alot of time with it this past

(01:00:35):
week and I'm hoping to get somegood time in this week.
And if I do, the model itselfshould be done.

Mike (01:00:49):
You know what you need to do.

Hopefully by the 20th.

Mike (01:00:52):
You need to encourage a ladies road trip.
Yes, yes, yeah, a lady's roadtrip, yes.

Yes, yeah.

Mike (01:01:03):
Gets you about two and a half days of nothing but feeding
the animals.

Exactly, Exactly.
So that's basically that's allI've been doing.
The SAM is sitting there.
It's oil washed on the top,completely.
I need to flip it over and dothe oil wash on the bottom.
Then I need to go back and dosome pin washing.
But it's well advanced along.

(01:01:30):
But I just need to get thisMoosaroo done so I can then flip
back and finish the Sam.

Mike (01:01:38):
No, so you can go start some Bearcats.

Yeah, well, I've got to do that too.
But let's not think about that.
Let's get the Moose to redo it.
The Bearcats are going to beeasy.
They're going to be simple.
Well, I hope they are.
Well, your bench has actuallyseen movement and you are back

(01:02:03):
to both the KV and the little 3Dprinted 35th scale.
Yeah, the little flat panzerthing.

Mike (01:02:09):
Yeah, Both 35th scale.
Yes, I'm done, basking in theglory of my completed project.

Well, isn't it nice to be working on a project
that you can hold in your handand not worry you're going to
crush it or break it.

Mike (01:02:22):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely true.
In fact, I use my thumbs topush out a cover plate I'd put
on the turret ring of that KV-85, because I'm going to have to
go back and be able to reachinside of it, so I didn't even
think twice about it.

You'd never do that on a 72nd scale aircraft.

Mike (01:02:43):
So with the KV-85, I've got the.
Where am I?
I've got the side, whole sideblisters on.
I still got the weld seams togo back and do.
I've got the, all the fillingwork puttied and sanded.
All that's all sanded out andready to go.
I want to have the frontdriver's visor pose open, which

(01:03:03):
the kit allows you to do, butwith Bronco it's always kind of
ish.
Well, the problem is the, thedriver's visor on the kit, the,
the perimeter of it, the actualwidth and length of it.
We're almost exactly the samesize as the hole in the front of

(01:03:24):
the hole, where it reallyshould be bigger and have a lip
to sit on when it plugs in.
So I was like something.
This is stupid.
So I went and got the trumpeterkit I had and took the visor
out of it.
Which folks?
I'm notorious for this.
I'm sure a lot of modelers dothis.
But here I robbed a kit for apart that's literally about four

(01:03:47):
millimeters by 10, maybe, maybe, not even that big, probably
not that big, but it fitsperfectly like it should.
But I've got some work to do.
That's why I had to get backand take that cover plate off,
because I got to be able toreach up in there on the back
side and glue the the part thathas the armored glass in it that
fits behind the visor rightbecause when that's open you can

(01:04:07):
see that from the front.
So then, and it comes with allthat and I'm working through it
and I've got most of thatfigured out.
I've got the main fendersfigured out.
One thing I've been doing on itis the photo etch to do the
engine intake screens.
You know left and right of themain engine hatch on the KV.

Yeah.

Mike (01:04:31):
Unbuildable.
Now it's an overused term right.

Right.

Mike (01:04:35):
But I really think they're pretty close to not being
designed in a way that it canactually go together.
The problem is, is the mesh forthose things uh-huh, is the
same dimension as the hole thatthey're supposed to cover.
So there's no overlap right, sothere's nothing to glue it to.
It's.

(01:05:13):
It's really ridiculous.
That was good planning Istarted.
Let me back up.
I had some of the old nylonscreening that Verlin used to
sell it and somebody else usedto sell it to Custom Dioramics
or somebody.
Basically it's tool fabric froma fabric store probably is all
it is.
I kind of did the old schoolwhere you embed that in liquid

(01:05:34):
cement on the frame and mash itin and I built up one of the
extra frames that way.
But the, the pitch of the, theweave of the screen of the mesh,
is too big, much too big forfor the, for the KV.
And then I was talking to theguys on our spazzers group chat
about it one night and Evan'slike well, you can buy all this

(01:05:55):
different photo edge screen, whydon't you just do that?
So I bought some of that and Iwas trying to make a mold to
form that in off this otherstuff.
But real quick.
It was looking like well one.
I cast the the mold to make thephoto edge form and I tried to
form a part in it while it wasstill a little bit green and it
just cracked in half.
So that didn't work.

(01:06:15):
So I may try that again.
But right now I'm trying to gofind a tool at a fabric store
that is the right pitch, thathad the hole sizes right.

Yeah, I would think that that was the thing I
was going to ask you.

Mike (01:06:31):
It exists, but I've been to Joann Fabric three times and
walked out of there with nothing, because the ones they have
that are the right get areputation are the right hole
size, the right pitch, you knowthe right screen size, aren't
just a basic blank tool, that's,you know four dollars a yard.
It's always got some kind ofglittery kind of crap printed on

(01:06:53):
it or fairy mushrooms or somecostuming kind of crap and it's
like like $20 a yard and I needlike a piece the size of an
index card.

Right, you'll be buying one yard of whatever you
buy.

Mike (01:07:08):
So I'm going to have to buy a yard of whatever I'm going
to buy and I've walked up theretwice to the cutting counter
with this under my arm, biting abullet, going to pay that to
get it.
And there's always one personworking there and the person at
the current counter beingserviced by the fabric cutter
has like a stack of fabric bolts, has 20 bolts of fabric.

(01:07:29):
20 bolts of fabric, yeah, andthere's two other people waiting
, yep, and I'm like, screw it,I'll come back later.
Well, I've come back later twotimes, so a total of three trips
.
Luckily it's not very far fromthe house, but I'm getting a
little annoyed at Joanne Fabric.
But that's neither here northere.
That's the KV-85.
That's where that stands rightnow.

The weld seams, though that you're doing.
You're using the Archer weldseams, are you not?
Not on the KV?
Okay, you're doing that on theFlak Panzer.

Mike (01:08:01):
I do it on the Flak Panzer .
So on the Flak Panzer I wasgoing to where the rear plate
goes onto the hull.
It's the one hull piece, that'sseparate.

Right.

Mike (01:08:11):
It's going to because, well, that's how they it gets
into, how they printed the model, but that piece goes on and
there's a seam around the entirething.
Model, but that piece goes onand there's a seam around the
entire thing.
So basically, you're going tojust assume that the thing was
printed to about scale thickness, so you're going to want to
have that welded onto the backof the tank, right?

Right.

Mike (01:08:31):
Well, because of the way it was designed and the way I
printed some of the parts, thatgap between the two parts was
not very uniform.
In some of the parts that gapbetween the two parts was not
very uniform and because of thematerial it just wasn't going to
scribe out very clean to get itto where I wanted it to be.
On the bottom I tried to do theepoxy putty weld seam in a
scribe groove.
Just the width was all over theplace.

(01:08:55):
It just didn't look very good.
So I went back and epoxyputtied over the entire seam all
the way around the tank, sandedit smooth and I've gone back
and used some of these Archer 3Dprinted surface detail welds on
it Because Evan had used thoseon the Panzer II he built.

Yes.

Mike (01:09:12):
And you know he had his caveats about them and kind of
thought I knew what I wasgetting into.
Well, they came out pretty good.
Now I'm curious how they'regoing to look under.
I need to put a heavy coat ofprimer on them to kind of bury
the rest of the decal film.
But they probably look morelike the welds that were already
on the model, that were printedinto the model already, than

(01:09:34):
anyone I would have done by hand.
So in that sense they're goingto look pretty good.
So I need to put some picturesup of that.
So that's kind of where that'sbeen going.

Well, I'm interested as you work on the 3D
printed model, since it's acompletely 3D printed model as
opposed to some 3D printed partsfor a plastic kit.
I'll be really interested tohear, as you get along, what the
subtle differences and the notso subtle differences about a 3D
printed kit are.

(01:10:12):
You know just design assemblychallenges that you wouldn't
face in a normal plastic kitbuild.
So I'm interested to hear that.

Mike (01:10:25):
Well, I'll keep that in mind and make that a point of
conversation the next time.

You got it.

Mike (01:10:31):
Well, that's my bench man.
You got anything else?

That's it.

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Mike, have you acquired anything model related
lately?

Mike (01:11:08):
You know, I almost dropped this segment out of the lineup
because I've been a good boy,Dave, Other than chasing this
tool fabric.
I'm trying to think if I'veactually bought anything else.
I don't know that I have Evensupplies.
In fact, the last time I was inLouisville and went to Brian's,

(01:11:29):
I don't think I bought anything.
No, that's not true.
I did buy some Milliput.

Okay, there you go.
You know, the last two times Iwent in Brian's, I've walked out
empty-handed each time, and notbecause there wasn't a lot of
good stuff in there to grab.
But you know, it's one of thosethings like I acquired a lot in
2024, and I really need to getsome built before 2025, before

(01:12:00):
acquiring new, to get some builtbefore 2025, before acquiring
new.

Mike (01:12:02):
Well, I think I bought those WZ-34 armored cars since
last time we did this segment.
Yes, you know that's going tofeed into the nuances between
you know, polyurethane resincast kits, injection molded kits
and then 3D printed kits.
Yes, I haven't forgotten folksI still need to.
Yeah, I did buy those.
I then 3D printed kits yes, Ihaven't forgotten folks I still
need to.
Yeah, I did buy those.
I need to break that out.

(01:12:24):
Yes, I want to see it and letfolks know personally what I
like and don't like about them.

Yeah.

Mike (01:12:32):
They're nice.

Because I want to build that I really do.
I've actually well been a goodboy, maybe stretching it.
I have not acquired any kits or, I think, even supplies.
What I have done is that Ibought a book.

Mike (01:12:54):
I was about to say you bought books or decals.

I did.
I got a couple of sets ofdecals thanks to Inch and Jim
Bates, so I got some decals.
I acquired a book when I was upat.
It's a two-volume set.
I got volume one but I got someAmazon money for Christmas so I

(01:13:29):
went on Amazon and boughtvolume two.
So now I have the complete set,which may herald some JU-88s in
my future We'll see.
I bought, as I mentioned, somewire, shelving and supports and
everything and spent it was lastSaturday I think installing it

(01:13:52):
and clearing out my model roomof everything that was cluttered
around everywhere and put it onthat shelf and I'll post a
picture in the dojo of it.
And then, thirdly, and probablybiggest expense-wise, I
acquired a color laser printerwhich, while not technically for

(01:14:17):
modeling, may well have somemodeling related uses.
But we'll see how that goes asit happens, as things develop.
So that wasn't strictly amodeling expense.
So I'm not going to count it asa modeling expense.
But it may have somemodeling-related uses, but no

(01:14:40):
kits and no paints or suppliesor glues or any of that.

Mike (01:14:46):
Well, my cart's filling up at Squadron.

Yeah, mine too.

Mike (01:14:51):
You have to let me know.

Okay, well, when you're ready to pull the trigger
, let me know.
Mike we're almost at the end ofthe episode.
I can tell you my Italian bloodorange soda was really really
good.
I really enjoy this.
If you all go to Trader Joe's,they have a series of these

(01:15:16):
sodas.
They've got a limeade, they'vegot a lemon-flavored soda, kind
of like a limoncello, and thenthey've got this blood orange
soda.
They're really really good.
If you're looking for somethingto take a beer break or a
bourbon break, I highlyrecommend them.

Mike (01:15:36):
Well, the Town Branch is made right here in Lexington.
It's made by Alltech, whichbrews some beers and makes some
equine pharmaceuticals andbourbon.
An interesting combo Applyingall the same science probably.
Yes, I got it because I hadn'thad in a long time and I wanted

(01:15:58):
to make sure, given any shiftshift in my palate, that maybe
my opinion was a little morefavorable this time.
Man, I am not a fan of it,given the other things I've
found and enjoy more just now.
What's the proof on it?
I don't have the bottle, Ican't tell.
I don't remember off top of myhead but it comes across as a
little hot but.
But that could just be thewhole thing.

(01:16:20):
It doesn't have to be a high ABVto do that, necessarily.
Just, I think it finishes thatway and it's not as enjoyable as
the Russell's or the Bullet orjust about anything else I've
had in the last year.
At least that was made inKentucky.
It's better than some of theother bourbons I've had We've
gotten from some folks, butthere are some non-native ones

(01:16:43):
that I've gotten that are a lotbetter than it too.
So yeah, probably won't berevisiting this one again.
I think I'm done with it.
So sorry for the local brand,but just not happening.

There's a lot of other bourbons being made in
Kentucky to choose from.
You're not going to be wanting.
Finally, Mike, we've reachedthe true end of the podcast.

(01:17:16):
I've got a shout out.
My shout out is to all of thelisteners who reached out when
the website went live to tell ushow impressed they were by it,
to congratulate us on getting itrolled out.
Stay tuned, there's a lot morecoming.
We are building a place for thecommunity and there's going to

(01:17:40):
be lots of resources, et cetera.
And just thank you for all ofyou who paid attention when we
announced it and stay tuned.

Mike (01:17:52):
Well, that kind of segues into mine.
But to pile on what you justsaid a little bit.
You know, in some regards it'snot a great way to say it, but
the initial launch, I mean, it'smostly aesthetics.
Right now it's as far asfunctionality.
Maybe it's even underwhelmingto some folks because it really
just replaced the site we weregetting from Buzzsprout.

(01:18:13):
But what folks can't see is theback end of the thing and how
it's been constructed.
That's going to let us do a lotmore with it.
A lot easier than it might behad we tried to create it
ourselves with our amateurabilities.
So I want to thank everyonewho's made that possible, mostly
through their generosity, and,as I've always say, we thank you

(01:18:36):
for that.
It means a lot and it helps usget this thing going and it's
going to help us bring more toit.
If folks would like to do that,we set up several avenues to do
that, with Patreon, paypal, buyme a coffee, the merchandise
store and you can find all thoselinks on the website.
I can finally say that now.

Yep.

Mike (01:18:57):
Or in the show notes, but they're definitely on the
website wwwplasticmodelmojocom.
There's a support, the showlink on there and you can get to
all those avenues right there.
And folks, thank you very much.
We're glad to get it up, we'reglad folks like it.
But as far as function rightnow it just replaces the
Buzzsprout site.
So onward and upward, Dave,Onward and upward.

(01:19:19):
Well, we are at the end.

Well, Mike you know what they say.

Mike (01:19:23):
So many kits, Dave.

So little time.

Mike (01:19:26):
Mike.
All right, man.
Well, we'll see you real soon.
Yep, you get your suckerknocked out.

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