November 3, 2025 • 51 mins
What if your biggest breakthroughs aren’t blocked by willpower, but by old code running in the background? We sit down with hypnotherapist and NLP coach Matt Johnson to map the invisible forces that shape behavior—childhood imprints, nervous system alarms, and identity “thermostats”—and then we show how to change them.
Matt recounts the hiking accident that led to years of light and sound sensitivity, the SPECT scan that revealed PTSD, and the turning point where traditional treatments gave way to targeted work with hypnosis, neurolinguistic programming, and somatic tools. You’ll hear how the subconscious computes rather than reasons, why ages zero to seven are so pivotal, and how “parts” formed in childhood keep trying to protect you as an adult. We walk through parts integration to resolve inner conflict, reframe people pleasing and imposter syndrome, and align self-worth with assertiveness.
If you’ve ever hit a goal and mysteriously stalled, Matt’s identity thermostat concept and pain-versus-pleasure strategy will make sense of self-sabotage. We get tactical with habit design—1% daily gains, stacking joy so “fun gets done,” and the Navy SEAL-style 10-second focus to push through discomfort. Matt also demonstrates quick, portable NLP exercises: a power-scaling visualization to shrink intimidation and a “spin” technique to unwind body tension in minutes. Along the way, we compare hypnosis, NLP, EMDR, and somatic release so you can choose the right tool for your nervous system.
You’ll leave with a practical toolkit and a hopeful frame: if an imprint can be installed, it can be updated. Explore Matt’s weekly hypnosis program, Limitless by Design, and grab his free NLP Mind Magic course for step-by-step exercises on perfectionism, procrastination, rejection, and more. If this conversation sparked a shift, follow, share with a friend, and leave a quick review—what pattern are you ready to rewrite next?
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SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
Today's episode is all about helping you heal
mental and emotional baggage andtake control of your
subconscious programming.
Today's guest is Matt Johnson,who is a hypnotherapist and a
neurolinguistic programmingcoach, who's turned his recovery
of a brain injury into powerfulmethods to help others transform
their lives.
In this episode, we dive deeperinto Matt's brain injury and the
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years of pain that that causedand how the recovery of it
actually got him into the workthat he's in today.
We also go through the imprintsthat we get in childhood and how
they actually cause patterns inus later.
And then we actually wentthrough some real examples of
how to reframe some of thesepatterns like people pleasing,
imposter syndrome, feelingworthy.
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And then we also go throughcertain things like
self-sabotage, identity.
We also talked a little bitabout how the subconscious
actually runs our life and thescience behind that.
And I just thought it was areally valuable episode about
the programming that we allhave.
And so I hope you guys enjoy theshow.
I love it.
I love it.
So I usually start the show withwho is Matt and uh happy time
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today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Matt is a nerd at heart.
I got started on this journey in2016.
I got a severe brain injury.
I was hiking with my kids at aplace called Point Lombard Tide
Pools here in San Diego.
And I slipped and landed theback of my head on a slab of
solid rock.
I hit so hard my brain actuallyrebounded, hit the top of my
skull.
I twisted the part here above myeyes.
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Brutal pain.
If you've ever been zapped byelectricity, felt like that
intense pins and needles typefeeling.
That's what was going on in myhead.
For years after that, I was sosensitive to light and sound, I
couldn't even be in a room withthe lights on.
It was too painful.
And so you know, spent a lot oftime alone in the dark.
I had you know room in my house,had black hefty bags taped over
to windows and all that.
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And I spent my first severalyears going through the medical
system and you know, didn't youknow did get a lot from it?
I I had four differentneurologists.
The first one told me thatthere's nothing I can do for
you, then tries to schedule mefor a uh follow-up visit.
I'm like, why am I coming backif there's nothing you do for
me?
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So you know, on to neuro numbertwo, who gave me a pill, you
know, that made me worse.
Uh, I called him, he gave meanother one, made me made me
better.
And then I uh the next time Isaw him, I asked him, you know,
is there something you can giveme to help me sleep?
Uh, because I was going throughthese brutal cycles, you know,
the pain helped me, uh the painmade it really hard to sleep,
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which made the pain worse.
And I was just going down thesebrutal downward spirals.
And he said, No, nothing I cangive you.
And so on to neural number threeright away.
She's like, Oh, let me give youamitryptaline.
And uh it worked.
And, you know, I'm beyondgrateful to my doctors.
I, you know, I wouldn't be whereI am without them.
But the only reason I tell thatstory is how many people would
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have stopped with that firstone.
You know what I mean?
But spent the first few years,you know, going, you know,
reading every medical study Icould find, geeking out on that
stuff.
I I created a three-pagedocument on you know all the you
know brain injury resources thatcould help people.
I give that off for free.
If anybody would like it, justyou know, shoot me a message.
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But I really got to a pointwhere I realized medical science
was not going to save me.
And so I, you know, startedlooking for what else is out
there.
And lucky for me, I live inCalifornia, so I had a lot to
choose from.
I got into energy medicine andall that kind of stuff.
And I, you know, I'd been alifelong skeptic.
I, you know, got into it becauseI I was desperate.
I had no nowhere else to turnand found out some of that stuff
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does work.
I one of the first things Itried was called Reiki.
And I told you I had that pinsand needles feeling in my head,
right?
The best description I can givefor it is she took those pins
and needles and kind of madethem fly in formation.
And I'm like, whoa, I have noidea what you're doing, but
please don't stop.
You know, at the end of thetreatment, I'm like, you know,
can you teach me how to do that?
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And so I spent several days withher, learned Reiki, I got into
pronic healing, Qigong, all thisstuff.
And anything that helped me, Ijust tried to dive in and master
it and did a huge amount ofhealing over the next couple of
years, but just could not getrid of that brain, you know,
that light and soundsensitivity, and just couldn't
go out and live my life.
And so at this point, I'mthinking, do I have permanent
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damage?
So I found a special type ofbrain scan done by uh Dr.
Daniel Eamon.
An MRI will look at the tissue,which doesn't really tell you a
lot if you have a brain injuryunless you got something really
wrong.
And a spec scan will actuallymap the electrical activity in
the brain.
And I go and get my scan, andlong story short, I my brain was
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okay, but areas that weresupposed to be dark were lit up
like fireworks.
I was diagnosed with PTSD thatday.
And so right away I knew whatthe uh what was going on.
My PTSD was keeping me in fightor flight.
The name of the game with abrain injury is bringing the
brain waves down so that you cangive the brain a chance to rest
and repair itself.
My PTSD was doing the oppositeand sabotaging the healing
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process.
And so, you know, at that point,I'd already known that I'd had
anxiety issues.
I'd seen several therapists, youknow, get the meds and all that.
And I just I knew that wasn'tthe path for me.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
This is before this is before the injury that you
knew you had.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah.
The therapy route.
I I'd known that I'd had theanxiety, and but I never gave it
that label PTSD.
My my thinking at the time wasthat's something the soldiers
get, you know what I mean?
But as soon as I heard thoseletters, it's like, oh, that's
what's going on.
I'd never even you know put twoand two together.
But I I knew traditionaltherapy, you know, wasn't wasn't
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gonna cut it for me.
Lucky for me, at that point, Iwas familiar with Tony Robbins
and NLP or neurolinguisticprogramming and hypnosis.
I'd seen my dad get hypnotizedand I knew the power both of
them.
So I dove in, I got quadruplecertified and you know,
hypnotherapy, NLP coaching, allthat, and I peppered every
single instructor I had with thesame exact question how do you
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heal PTSD?
They all tried to help me, butnobody knew how to do it.
It just that info wasn't outthere.
So I went on another geek outjourney for you know about two
and a half years, just learningfrom the greats in both
disciplines and took a littlefrom this guy, a little from
this guy, and finally puttogether a protocol that healed
me.
And about six months later, Ifinally healed the brain injury
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and I can see the light again.
So long-winded answer to thatquestion.
I apologize for that, but that'sthat's my story.
That's what brought me here.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
No, it's it's a lot in there.
And so we're thinking, you know,before we hit record, remember
we say, hey, you know, we have alot of things, maybe patterns
that we have, anxiety,depression, you know, a lot of
different things that's goingon, right?
And until we have some type ofpain is when we kind of start to
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try to figure out what the whatthe issue is and how we can deal
with it, right?
Yeah.
And so with your injury, itsounds like you had PTSD before
the actual injury.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
I was a little guy when I got mine, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:20):
Wow.
And so how do you think you youbecause you mentioned anxiety,
right?
How else would you do you thinkthat was kind of affecting your
day-to-day before the injury?
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah.
I had severe anxiety, I haddepression, I was you know,
suicidal several times, youknow, growing up.
I also noticed, you know, once Igot my diagnosis looking back, I
realized all the way I shutmyself down.
When you've got you knowsomething severe going on like
that, just going to the grocerystore is exhausting.
So you don't want to do itunless you have to, you know
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what I mean?
And so it I really was, youknow, living a fraction of the
life that I could have, you knowwhat I mean?
I was a shell of a person, to behonest.
But yeah, it's once I got mydiagnosis, though, it all just
it made sense.
And you know, the the braininjury, I definitely don't want
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another one, but it, you know,it wound up being a huge gift
because I never would have puttwo and two together and
realized that I had PTSD unlessI had gotten that brain scan.
SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
100%, yeah.
You know, I'm sitting herethinking about it, like so you
probably knew you knew somethingwas going on with you, right?
Before you couldn't put a nameto it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:35):
Right, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
And obviously, okay, you don't want to fall and hit
your head on on rock.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Yeah, I don't recommend it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
But then being the best thing for you, obviously,
and you you went through allthese different things to try to
heal the pain and differentthings.
What was that experience likehealing yourself?
Right?
I think it's a lot of folks outthere who probably first of all,
they don't even have theawareness, right?
They have something or or theyhave certain patterns that they
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need to heal, right?
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
What did that process look like for you?
You mentioned six months, right?
I would love to hear what thatlooked like.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
Healing those patterns.
If you think about the firsttime you drove a car, you your
hands were tan and two, you werelike hyper-focused on not
hitting anything, right?
Fast forward a few years, yougot a cell phone in one hand,
coffee in the other, you knowwhat I mean?
It's I'm kidding, please don'tdo that.
But it that shows the process,you know, it became so automatic
for you, you didn't even have tothink about it.
Most of us have had theexperience of driving and
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realizing we haven't even beenpaying attention, right?
How are you able to not crashwhen you're off in Lila Land?
It's because your subconsciouslearned how to drive, just
learns through repetition,right?
Awesome process for driving, butproblems can happen when you
hand it things like you knownegative beliefs or negative
emotions, limiting beliefs,things like that.
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It, you know, when once thoseare down in into that
programming, then you got aproblem.
That's why, you know, talktherapy didn't uh work for me.
My trauma was subconscious.
And to get it, is like my dad,you know, when he got
hypnotized, it was to stopsmoking.
I he smoked a pack a day forover 30 years, and I saw him
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trying pills, patches, gums, youname it, failing every single
time.
Then he got hypnotized.
He told me after one hypnosissession, he never even craved
cigarettes again.
Now, why would one session be soyou know impactful when
everything else failed?
It's because it targeted thatprogramming where it lives,
which is in the subconsciousmind.
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By the time you hit 30 yearsold, up to 95% of all your
day-to-day behaviors are drivenby the subconscious.
And it's like the drivingexample.
You learn how to do everythingon autopilot, it's what your
mind is designed to do.
But you know, again, when youhand it stuff that you don't
want, and usually this willhappen in childhood, not always.
Human beings zero to seven willgo through what's called the
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imprinting phase, which is yourbrain takes in a huge amount of
uh knowledge, but we haven'tdeveloped what's called a
critical faculty yet, whichmeans we can't judge the info
that's coming in.
So we just accept that this isthe way the world is, people
are, all that.
Whatever programming you gotduring those years is still
running, you know, the vastmajority of those habits.
I don't I don't know if thatanswers your question.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Yeah, no, it does actually.
And I think it's kind of takingus, it's gonna take us to kind
of the next thing, right?
Okay.
I even thought about it.
You know, I I've been readingthis book called uh No Bad
Parts.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Yes, oh yeah.
Uh Richard Schwartz, right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:36):
Yeah, by Richard Schwartz.
Yeah, yeah.
And he mentioned how obviouslythese parts, right, that you
mentioned that that zero seven,you know, lifespan, right?
When we are taking in all thisinformation and we are trying to
find ways to survive, right?
We get these patterns or theseparts that help us survive,
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right?
And they're in it's genius,right?
Yeah.
Help us, you know, receive loveor help us to protect ourselves,
whatever the case may be.
But we don't grow out of thosepatterns.
They keep going, they keepleading us, right?
And become subconscious, likeyou mentioned, right?
It runs our life pretty muchuntil we actually go back and
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kind of heal those parts, right?
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
If you think of, if you've everseen that movie Ghostbusters,
where they put that trap out toto trap the ghost in, that's
very much like a part.
It's it's self-contained, it iswhole within that uh within that
uh that trap, but it, you know,it's still, if it happened to
you at five years old, it'sstill a five-year-old kid inside
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that part.
It's a very noble thing to do.
It's protecting the rest of yourpsyche from having to deal with
whatever that was.
But that part, when it sees thatyou know, we're entering a
similar situation or somethingthat thinks it's dangerous
because of whatever happened, itit takes charge.
And stuff can, you know, youknow, you can do some crazy
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stuff in that in that situation.
IFS, the internal familysystems, what it was talking
about with the the parts and allthat really fascinating stuff.
Um yeah, yeah.
It's it explains so much of ourbehavior.
NLP, we actually have a processwe call parts integration.
It's one of my favorite oneswhere we do we you know can get
rid of bad habits and thingslike that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Walk us through that.
I would love to hear.
But what is that?
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Okay, okay.
Um, it's basically a part issomething you by definition do
part of the time.
And so if you've got like ahabit or something like that, it
would take me about 10 minutesto really go through it.
But what we do, now yoursubconscious mind works very
powerfully on symbols.
And so we have that part comeout and stand on your hand, as
silly as that sounds.
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And then we have its opposite,the the opposite number,
whatever the the opposite of,you know, if it's if it's a
weakling or if it's afraid, youknow, you have your most
powerful part come out on theother hand.
You have them look at eachother, say, hey, you know, what
attributes would you like tohave about the other?
You know, and you look at what'scalled your highest intent.
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And every every action, everyreaction you have has a positive
intent in some level that couldbe to protect you from you know
further danger or you know,protect your reputation and
things like that.
But once you realize that, youknow, those those two parts will
actually have the same intentfor you.
They just go about it verydifferent ways.
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And you take your hands andphysically touch them together,
you feel it in your brain.
It is a very strange experience,but those those neurons
literally physically rewirethemselves.
It's really fascinating stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
Yeah, I I love that because so I mean, for instance,
and I and I can give you a partof myself is like the people
pleasing, yes, uhover-accommodating type of
person.
Nice, nice guy, nice, you know,which you know, in some cases it
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can help.
And I used to I used to get sohard on myself about that, like,
man, like what's wrong with me,right?
And then obviously realizingafter you know reading Richard
Short's book, No Bad Parts,ended up acknowledging that,
okay, this was this was a a goodthing, right?
I I needed to do this, right?
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Growing up.
And then like you mentioned,what would be the opposite,
right?
To to be more assertive, right?
To to to be, you know, a littlebit more direct, right?
And integrating those partstogether and and integrating
those things.
I I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah.
That particular situation, therecould be like some self-worth
programs going on there.
And what happens is, you know,kids when they're when they're
young, they they takeresponsibility for everything.
And really common thing is likea mom and dad are fighting.
I must have done somethingwrong.
You know what I mean?
When it has nothing to do withthem.
The ironic thing is as adults,we have all the power, but we
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take none of the responsibility.
You know what I mean?
But what can happen with that isyou know, you wind up putting
other people's needs ahead ofyour own.
I that one I can actually do inabout you know, probably 20
seconds, if you want.
I have a really cool NFTexercise.
This works really well forimposter syndrome, too.
You know, imagine yourself thatperson that you would you know
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normally subjugate yourself toor whatnot.
Imagine they're standing infront of you and imagine you
start to grow taller and taller,growing up, so you're as tall as
King Kong, and then put thatperson in your hand, and you can
point at them and laugh.
If you that usually intensifiesthe experience, but what happens
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is your first few years on onEarth, you're looking up at
everyone and everything, right?
And that is a very submissiveplace to be.
You and it's reality, you haveno power, but that has a huge
impact on us subconsciously.
Hollywood knows this reallywell.
If you know you see the theaction hero or whatnot, a lot of
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times the camera's looking up atthem, they're they're looking
down at as a very domineeringposition.
We all started life the oppositeway, and so what that exercise
does is it just teaches yoursubconscious, hey, I'm not
inferior to anyone.
I'm not, you know, I don't haveto subjugate myself to this
person.
Works really well on asking agirl out on a date, too.
It just relieves that pressure,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
You know, I love that actually, that that that to
visualize that.
And you mentioned not only justin maybe people pleasing or
overaccommodating, but also toowith imposter syndrome as well.
Just visualize yourself growingtaller, growing into, like you
said, King Kong, lifting themup, putting them in your hand,
laughing at them, right?
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To help your self-conscious.
Yeah, I think another thing Ithink people can struggle with
is consistency.
Right.
Okay.
Uh threshold of it, right?
It's like, man, for two weeks,two weeks I've been doing really
good.
And then it's like as soon asI'm about to finally hit that
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breakthrough, maybe that's goingto the gym, maybe that's some
type of business activity,budgeting, right?
Okay, on a weekly basis basis, Ibudget it.
I've scheduled my calendar, anyhabit you have, right?
SPEAKER_00 (18:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
People get to a point where as soon as they're
about to have that break, thatfull breakthrough, they sabotage
it, right?
Talk to me about that.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
Uh there, that is a really fascinating topic.
There could be some identityissues with that.
I think I'm a level eightperson.
I'm about to hit that level 10goal, so I'll I'll kind of
sabotage myself.
We all have like an internalthermostat.
If I think of myself as a youknow,$100,000 a year person and
I hit that$100,000 in October,what am I gonna be doing the
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next two months?
I'm gonna be slacking off,right?
But if I think I'm a$200,000 ayear person, this is all
subconscious, by the way, andI'm only at$100,000 in October,
what am I gonna be doing thosemonths?
I'm gonna be busting my butt,right?
We all have that thermostatthat's regulates us in different
areas, but we also have to lookat there's everything we do is
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done for one of two things,either avoid pain or gain
pleasure.
That's, you know, that is thebasis of all your behaviors.
About 80% of us are gonna havewhat's called an away from pain
strategy.
And that does not mean you're anegative person.
Our cult our culture wants us tobe positive and all that, which
I agree with, but these are twodifferent things we're talking
about.
An away from pain uh uh personis only gonna be motivated by
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pain.
You talk to them about that biggoal or you know, sunshine and
rainbows and all that, it's justgonna go in one ear and not the
other.
You really got to get them, youknow, up and moving with the
pain.
But there's an issue with that.
Once you get far enough fromthat pain, all of a sudden it
starts to dissipate and youstart to, you know, chill out
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and say, okay, I'm all rightnow.
What you want to do isincorporate both.
You start with, you know, getthat pain, visualize, you know.
I I take people through uh TonyRobbins calls it the Dickens
process.
You look at what you're doingand what the outcome is going to
be, you fast forward 10 yearsand then 20 years, and look at
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you know, all the most horrificthings you can imagine happening
to you because of that, get thatpain, you know, to light that
fire under you, and then youswitch to the pleasure.
So you're not beating yourselfup, you know, but you can stay
in a positive state, but you goback to the pain just when you
need it, just long enough to getyou to the pleasure, and that
that will keep you propelledforward.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
Yeah.
I um when you explain that, Irealize that I am more of a
person that is motivated bypain, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
That's about 80% of us.
There's nothing wrong with it.
I'm one, two, it's it's kind oflike being right-handed or
left-handed.
There's there's just yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Yeah, and and the reason why I even I even just
realized that is because youmentioned, okay, once you get
far away from that pain, youstart to relax a little bit,
right?
You know, once you hit the goalaway, now you start eating pizza
and donuts and all this stuff,you know, right?
But once you, you know, you hityou hit that that finance goal,
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it's like, okay, I'm gonna go ona vacation, you know, gonna make
this crazy purchase, right?
And so definitely, I I I thinkincorporating both because I
know once I get close enough tothe pain, it's like I just
explode.
It's like a different level ofof and then also too, right?
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I I think incorporating both,like you said, where you aren't
beating yourself up because Ithink I have been a habit of
kind of feeling some shame, someshame and some guilt, especially
when I get to that point, right?
Yeah, so being able to handlethat, I know a lot of folks can
get into that trap of shamingthemselves to reach a goal or
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guilting themselves to reach agoal.
SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
Yeah, that's really common, especially look at like
New Year's resolutions.
What's everybody's approach?
Yeah, I'm gonna work out sixhours and starve myself, right?
And how often does that work, orhow long does that work?
Me, I would quit by like daytwo.
You know what I mean?
The way you want to go about it,you know, use the pain and
pleasure, but you want to juststart where you are and make
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those just tiny little shifts.
If you can just make a twomillimeter shift every day, uh
if you improve one percent perday, that is not 365 in a year.
That one percent will compoundon each other, and it winds up
being 3,700.
That's 37 times improvement inone year just for doing one
percent more a day.
So, like I I had a point whenyou know my kids were young and
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all that.
I the only time I could getcould go to the gym was to by
getting up at four o'clock inthe morning, which is not easy
to do.
But yeah, it was but using thatand just you know, starting
where I was.
If you're somebody who'sintimidated by the gym, maybe
just go swipe your card thefirst day.
Day two, maybe check out amachine, you know what I mean?
But just baby steps.
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And if you leave with a littlebit left in the tank, it will
not take long.
You'll be you know itching to goback in versus you know wearing
yourself out and you know beingin pain for a week and saying,
Ah, I'm never gonna do thatagain.
But that and for me, and well,for everyone, fun gets done.
If you can find a way to make itfun, like for me, I like
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listening to Tony and I lovebasketball.
You know, we we have that incommon.
I, you know, I was a big timebasketball player when I was
younger.
I so I always ended my workoutswith 10 minutes of shooting
hoops.
And when that alarm went off atfour o'clock in the morning, I
needed an image that I couldflash on that that would drag me
out of bed, and that was it.
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I I had enough pleasure, youknow, built around that habit
that I was able to do it.
I can count on one hand thenumber of days that I missed in
about six years, getting up atfour o'clock in the morning and
you know, just with those twoapproaches, two millimeters and
fun gets done.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah, having fun.
I think a lot of folks don'trealize that that could be a
choice to have fun, right?
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
I mean, most most adults now, if you talk to them,
hey, what do you do for fun?
It's a tough question for themto answer, right?
It usually drinking, right?
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
You know, whatever the case may be, right?
And so we I think we need tothink about what is almost like
kidlike.
You know, it I'm pretty surethat takes you back to kind of
your childhood to some degree.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Right.
I know when I go to the gym,right?
I'm not shy about uh reallygetting into the music and
dancing to some degree, right?
While I'm in early in themorning so that I can get
excited during the workout,right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
That's how I work.
Yeah, I I can work for, youknow, I usually work about 12
hours a day now.
I'm I'm dancing for probablyhalf of you know you gotta have
fun.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
You have and I think I didn't realize that, you know,
and you can probably relate toit, those practices where you
just did not feel like beingthere, and you know the coach is
in a bad mood, and you know it'slike it's it's super cold
outside.
You know, you from you fromDetroit, I'm here in Chicago, so
cold and it's it's it's beendark all day.
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You just don't have the energyto do it, but you just decide
like let's just have fun withthis, let's dance, let's let's
laugh, uh, let's let's focus.
You you can do it all at once,right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it makes things it justchanges your perspective, you
know.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
There there's another trick, thethe Navy SEALs, they realized
years ago that they the peoplewho are above a certain IQ level
never finished the program.
And they they started lookinginto why.
And people with super high IQsare usually they they use it
kind of like a crutch, you knowwhat I mean?
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They use it to get through life.
And when they when they werefaced with that much pain, they
weren't used to it.
And so they came up with anapproach just focused on the
next 10 seconds at a time, just10 seconds at a time, and that
that got them through it.
Yeah, it's people the theultimate example of this is a
book called Man's Search forMeaning by Victor Frankel.
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This guy, he was a Jewishpsychiatrist.
He was in Auschwitz during theHolocaust and watched his family
get burned up.
I mean, it was horrible stuff.
But he noticed a pattern thatpeople who the people who made
it who actually got out of itwere the ones who created what
he called a compelling future.
It's I'm gonna get out of thisjust so I can tell the story,
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you know what I mean, versus thepeople who got in here and you
know said, all right, that's it,I'm done for.
They they did not last long.
But it's it's all about thatmental movie where you know what
are you playing in your head andyou know what what's your
outcome?
What's your why?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Yeah, well, I and I think when going through pain,
that is, I think, one of themain minds you you need to have.
Compelling future.
That that's the first time I'veactually, and I've heard a lot
of quotes from the VictorFrankel book, Man, Search for
Meaning.
And just sitting here talkingabout it, I feel like I need to
actually pick it up and read it.
But it's a compelling future,right?
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I think a lot of times that iswhat carries you through.
You go through some type of hardtime.
It's it's okay, I'm gonna learnsomething on the back half of
this.
I am going to grow from the backhalf of this, right?
I'm gonna be right.
And so I love that.
A compelling future.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
I'll tell you, in my case, when I was sitting in that
dark room and I couldn't even,you know, I couldn't look at my
phone.
It was it was too painful.
Mine was I I'm gonna get out ofhere.
I I'd seen my dad go through hisown dark night of the soul.
He got in a bad accident, youknow, wasn't able to work
anymore.
But I'd watched him kind of godownhill, you know, kind of
spiral downwards.
And I wanted to be an example tomy kids of, you know, I I hope
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not, but they're, you know, theywill probably have their own
dark night of the soul at somepoint.
I wanted to be an example tothem of how to get out of it.
And so I just, you know, stayedrelentlessly positive.
I I knew I couldn't allow anegative thought into my head.
It was just that was the onlychance I had to get out of
there.
But a lot of times, you know, mypoint is a lot of times you'll
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do more for other people,especially your kids, than
you'll do for yourself.
So if you need that formotivation, use it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Yeah, I think I think we talked about, and
obviously it's different whenyou have kids, right?
Yeah.
Here's what I've been learningat 29 now, and I'm learning that
we we talk about others' needs,putting others' needs, right?
You know, when it comes to beingaccountable, having an
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accountability partner, somebodythat can help you, or you just
it just seems like you have moremotivation to help somebody else
yourself.
And when you have kids,obviously it's different, it's a
different level, right?
It's just crazy that if we canmeet somebody or have a stranger
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who would probably meet theirneeds before ours or partner or
whatever the case may be.
You're it can be something whereyou are neglecting yourself or
not meeting yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (29:44):
Self-sacrifice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
Self-sacrifice is the word.
A lot of self sabotaging goingon there.
What what do you think couldhelp folks with that?
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Realize that, all right.
First of all, it's our if you goback to like caveman, caveman
days, if you got booted out ofyour tribe, it meant almost
certain death for you and youroffspring.
Our tribe is, you know, lifeitself.
And so anytime we're facingostracism or, you know,
anything, any type of loss ofstatus in our tribe, that lights
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up the same fear circuits in thebrain as a life or death
situation, because to the brain,it is.
And so most of us are reallyfocused on, you know,
maintaining our reputation inthat tribe.
And so that that's where it canbe coming from.
A lot of it, you know, can alsobe that self-worth issue.
I have to put everybody elsebefore myself.
I've been guilty of that.
You know what I mean?
(30:39):
You can't pour from an emptycup.
You know what I'm saying?
And it really for me, it took myinjury to, you know, really have
to put myself first.
And, you know, as a parent and,you know, husband and all that,
it's yeah, I was, you know,constantly hustling and just,
you know, trying to, you know,build a better life for my
family and all that kind ofstuff.
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But you know, it doesn't take abrain injury.
You just you have to thinkabout, you know, especially if
you do have kids, would you wantthem doing what you're doing
when when they grow up?
You know what I mean?
Do you want them to have thatthat same type of you know
self-sacrifice?
You know, if not, then don'tmodel that.
Model something better.
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I I remember Oprah Winfreytalked about she my mother and
my wife both love Oprah.
So I, you know, I got like 20years straight from her.
But that's the she had a lady onwho talked about like, you know,
if I'm looking in the mirror andsaying, Oh, I'm so fat and that
kind of thing, then thedaughters will do that too.
And so model what you want yourkids to be, you know, and that's
(31:45):
a big thing for me.
So I always took the opposite.
I, you know, I made jokes out ofit, but you know, I'm so
freaking awesome.
You know what I mean?
Because I want them to feel thatway about themselves.
So I I try to model that forthem.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
Yeah, 100%.
And and even if you don't havekids, right?
The people around you, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
Same.
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
So we'll take on a lot of that stuff too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
And if you're willing to take care of somebody
else's needs, they will usuallylet you.
You know what I mean?
So it's knowing where to drawthat boundary.
And if you're worried aboutwhere that relationship's gonna
go, that means it's a conditionof that relationship that you
sacrifice yourself for them.
So you, I mean, I I'm not one toanswer that for you, but you
have to ask yourself thequestion do I really want to
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keep that going?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
And and why too?
Why willing to self-sacrifice?
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you know, it's you know,even if that person drops off,
that that just creates a vacuumfor the right person to come in.
I I've seen that over and overagain.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
I love it.
I love that.
Subconscious mind, right?
I don't know if we've quite goneinto it, right?
And it's a big topic.
Yeah, we understand thesubconscious mind and how it
kind of and you mentioned it alittle bit before how it runs
about 95% of our life, prettymuch.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, it's the 95% behind the wheel, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Yeah, and so tell us a little bit about that, that
the the subconscious mind, howit works, and then how can we
start to reprogram it or or atleast extend to stop to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
It's very much like the carexample, those programs are down
there, it's just like acomputer.
Your subconscious mind does notthink, it only computes, it runs
on whatever programs are alreadyin there.
W if you're looking tounderstand why we do the things
we do, there I'm gonna go off ona little bit of a tangent here,
but there are three main layersto your brain.
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You have the reptile brain,which is called your amygdala.
It understands, you know, fightor flight, it's got to eat it,
run from it, mate with it,whatever.
But it only its only goal is tokeep you alive for the next two
seconds and to pass on yourgenes.
That's all it cares about.
Above that, you have what'scalled your mammal brain, which
is, you know, think of your dogfor this one.
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Understands love, family, youknow, those kind of things.
Whereas a lot of reptiles willeat their young.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the difference betweenthe two brain layers.
Above that, we have ourneocortex, which handles all our
higher order logic and thingslike that.
Most people think the neocortexis what's in charge.
In reality, it's usually thereptile.
Anybody who's in sales knowsthat emotion decisions, buying
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decisions, are made with emotionand justified by logic.
And that is the process.
The reptile is looking at, allright, what's this going to do
for me?
Is it gonna increase mypleasure?
Is it gonna increase my status,which the reptile is very big
on?
And when it, you know, when yourwife comes home with the fur
coat or the jewelry or somethinglike that, and you know, you,
you know, why did you spend thismuch money and you get a crazy
(34:50):
answer that doesn't make sense?
That's what's going on.
The reptile made the decisionand it got justified with logic
on the way out.
Again, it's your subconsciousmind, it it controls everything
in your body you don't have tothink about.
Your breathing, heartbeat, bodytemperature, how much insulin
you occur after a meal.
It also creates that pit in yourstomach when you think about you
know something that makes younervous or you know, tightness
(35:12):
in your chest or whatnot.
Again, it it is thousands oftimes more powerful than the
conscious.
It's it's so much of our livesis is run by it.
It's you know, we could be hereall day uh talking about what's
going on with it, but it's it'sas far as you know, when you go
in to change it.
I I think I told you, you know,I I tried the talk therapists
(35:34):
and all that kind of stuff.
The reason they didn't work, youknow, in my case, is you know,
they were targeting my consciousmind.
And that's not where my traumawas.
My trauma was subconscious, andso I had to find the right tools
to go in and rewrite thoseprograms.
That was hypnosis and NLP.
And that's that's how youbasically how you do it.
(35:55):
If you want to, if you've gotsomething going on that's you
know automatic, you know, badhabits or something like that,
or something that you know youhaven't, you know, traditional
methods haven't been able totouch.
I would, you know, encourage youknow checking out you know,
hypnosis NLP and you know getdown where where those programs
lie.
And you when you address themwhen they're where they live, a
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small change made really deepcan have a huge ripple effect on
the surface to the point whereit seems like miracles.
It there's really no miracles,it's just uh you're finally
getting it where it where itlives.
And you know.
SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
Because it's like, you know, a lot of people can
well, I I don't know if a lot ofpeople can, but it's folks out
there who are they especiallywith talk therapy, they are
aware of the trauma, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But embodying it is also adifference, right?
unknown (36:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
And talk therapy is a wonderful thing for a lot of
people.
I I'm not bagging on it.
It's you know, I have nothingbut you know, utmost respect.
If if that works for you, thenyou know, please do it.
If it doesn't work for you, I Iwould encourage you, if not, you
know, my path, then you know,find what does that's all I'm
saying.
And you know, for me, you know,I if yeah, and again, I'm not a
(37:17):
doctor, I'm not diagnosinganything here, but you know, I
think a trauma is when somethingleaves an imprint on your
nervous system and yoursubconscious mind, you know,
that can be a car crash, warzone, childhood for a lot of us.
And if you're getting, you know,your automatic reactions are
excessive for the situation, youknow what I mean?
Overreacting, hypervigilance,things like that.
(37:40):
That is, you know, that's aclue.
And again, I'm not diagnosing,but that that's a clue that it's
something subconscious.
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
I agree.
I agree with you.
Uh wait, you say so say that onemore time.
Trauma leaves an imprint on onyour nervous system.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
So someone who I take a classic example, like a
soldier who's been to war, hearsfireworks, and all of a sudden
he's you know freaking out.
You know what I mean?
It's just that sound, it justtriggered something in here, in
him.
You know, a lot of times, youknow, if somebody gets attacked,
they can smell the same cologne30 years later and you know, go
right back into it.
You know, that's that's thereptile, that's the subconscious
(38:19):
that's you know, oh hey, thesmell means danger, you know
what I mean?
It doesn't make any sense, youknow, when you look at it
logically, but to thesubconscious, it makes perfect
sense.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah.
And as you mentioned before, youknow, that that talk therapy
piece, right?
First of all, it it what itreally does really help you
become aware.
And it does help you become moreemotionally intelligent.
SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yeah.
The whys of why am I, why is mychest tightened up because of
it?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:49):
And a lot of times just that that awareness can
help you clear it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
And then you have these other types of therapy,
EDMR, that somatic experiencetherapy, like nervous system,
right?
And then we talk about NLP andhypnotherapy, right?
Walk us through what is the hip,what is hypnotherapy and then
hypnosis, right?
I I think a lot of folks thinkabout what they've seen on TV,
(39:14):
right?
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:15):
And yeah, what is that?
SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
I I will start by saying you can never lose the
ability to accept or reject anysuggestion given.
That that ability that is therewith you no matter how deep you
go.
You're always, you always haveyour wits about you, you're
always in line with your valuesand all that.
I would argue more so becausewe've gotten all your crap out
of the way.
But hypnosis is just where weset the conscious mind aside and
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let the subconscious becomeactive.
Once that happens, we can go inand rewrite those programs we've
been talking about.
You know, you get rid ofbehaviors you don't want, bad
habits, install new ones,overcome fears, phobias, you
know, stress, pain, you name it.
In the same breath, NLP issimilar.
It's kind of like an owner'smanual for your mind.
(39:58):
It's a set of tools to help youunderstand how you do those
subconscious processes and alsohow to change them.
So, for example, I deal with alot of people who have like
memories, you know, intrusivethoughts or ruminating, things
like that.
What we'll do is tune into howdo you do that process?
How do you do that memory?
Do you get a picture?
Do you get a feeling?
Do you get a sound?
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Those are called or visualauditory kinesthetic modalities,
you know, in geek speak, butit's how do you do it?
All right, for probably 80% ofpeople, it's a picture.
All right, where is thatpicture?
To the right or to the left?
How big is it?
Is it in color, black and white,flat or 3D?
You know what I mean?
Once you tune into that picture,I'll you know, I'll have them
take it and shrink it in half.
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And you know, that will usuallylessen the impact.
I'll have them dump a bucket ofwhite paint on it, they'll
they'll feel a release.
I'll have them send it way outon the horizon.
And it sounds ridiculous, butwhat we're doing is
communicating to thesubconscious that this is not a
threat anymore.
We've taken this big giant thingand made it into something tiny
and uh just played with it.
(41:02):
I don't know if that answersyour uh your question or not.
SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
It does.
And you know, pretty much goingto tapping into the
subconscious.
SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you mentioned like youknow, EMDR and all that.
EMDR can I've seen it work andI've seen it not work.
Some people swear by it.
It's it's basically there's uhyou activate different parts of
your brain based on where youpoint your eyes.
You have a visual cortex and anauditory and a kinesthetic.
(41:33):
EMDR will have you reprocess it,run those memories while you
flip your eyes back and forth,back and forth, back and forth.
Sounds ridiculous, but for a lotof people it actually does work.
And you know, if you'relistening and you know thinking
that might work for you,insurance does cover it.
So that's a blessing.
But you know, you mentionedsomatic.
(41:53):
Like I mentioned before, withthe the pit in your stomach and
all that, your subconsciouscontrols everything in your
body, and stress actually getsstored in your body.
There's a ton of studies uh onthis, and you know, it causes
all kinds of things, you know,inflammation, autoimmune.
There's a great book calledAnswer Cancer, where he talks
about cancer and you know, a lotof you know the autoimmune stuff
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and other diseases are alsooften found in clusters on the
same person.
And he, you know, says it'sbecause of a what's he calls a
sensitizing event, in otherwords, trauma.
But you're when you think aboutlike the placebo effect, right?
A lot of times people who, youknow, they get in these clinical
clinical trials, a lot of timespeople who are getting nothing
(42:38):
but a sugar pill will havebetter results than the people
who are actually taking thedrug, right?
The subconscious mind is thatpowerful, has that much control
over the body.
So when you've got stress storeddown in there, you can do
somatic releasing, all thatstuff works very well.
Uh, you can also hypnotize itout.
I've got you know severalhypnosis to deal with that kind
of stuff.
But again, it's it's gettingthat awareness like you were
(43:01):
talking about of all right, whatam I doing?
How am I doing this?
Where do I hold my stress?
You know, for me, it's mystomach and my back, you know
what I mean?
Tuning into your body, tuninginto your mind, how am I doing
these processes and then pickingthe right tool to go after them?
SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Yeah, 100%.
I, you know, I know a few thingsfor myself is I feel
constricted, you know, nervoussystem, right?
SPEAKER_00 (43:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
That's that's one telling of me of like, okay, I
feel constricted here.
Like I can, I'm not necessarilymyself here.
What's going on?
Right.
Whether that's me, me speakingor whatever the case, we we've
all felt that constricted pieceof like weight.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Would you like a cool tool to unwind that?
SPEAKER_01 (43:41):
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
All right, cool.
This is one of my favorite LPexercises.
All right.
Imagine you're in that uhposition or that situation that
makes you feel constricted.
Now, notice where do you feelthat in your body?
Point to it.
SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
All right, perfect.
Now, everyone following along,if you can do so safely, if
you're not driving, you canclose your eyes.
Now, in your mind's eye, if thatfeeling had a color, what color
would it be?
First impression.
SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
Yellow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:08):
Perfect.
Is there more than one color?
SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Yeah, red, yellow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
Okay, awesome.
That red-yellow feeling.
If it had a shape, what shapewould it be?
Perfect.
That red yellow circle, if itwere moving, what direction
would it be turning in?
If it's hard to tell, tryturning it one way than the
other.
See what feels natural.
Okay, perfect.
Try turning the opposite way andsee what that does to the
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feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (44:39):
Yeah, I feel uh a release.
SPEAKER_00 (44:41):
Okay, good, good.
Now, if you'd like to, you canspin it up, make it go faster
and faster in either direction.
Just find the direction thatworks best for you.
It's it it could be in the samesame one, just whatever's best,
and spin it up if you'd likewhile you drain all that color
right out.
Just make it totally transparentin there.
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And then fill it back up withwhatever color you want.
Some people like gold or pink,green or blue, whatever feels
most peaceful for you.
And then once you fill it up,still spinning it, add a sparkle
to it.
Once it starts to swirlthroughout like a can of cane,
one of those poles in front of abarbershop.
(45:31):
How does that feel?
It makes a change, right?
It's simple visualizations.
Like I said, your yoursubconscious mind works very
powerfully with symbols.
And so what we did is we tookthat body process, which your
subconscious was doing to you,and we give it a visual
component.
Once we do that, we can thenchange it.
(45:51):
You know, we can play with itand make it what we want to.
That that's the gist of what Ido.
SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
I I that's I was gonna ask, Iwas gonna ask what what what was
the why behind that?
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
I mean, that's that's it right there.
Yeah, I think hopefully a lot offolks will start to realize.
And and if you don't realize,when you know, understand when
you are going through yourday-to-day life when you start
to feel maybe constricted, painin your stomach, tightness.
Maybe it's when you talk to astranger, stranger says
(46:23):
something.
I mean, we all have our ownthings that we all have our own
kind of uh blockages, right?
Uh that we have in ourday-to-day.
What blocks me might notnecessarily block you.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:35):
Yeah.
It's like a fingerprint,different for everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
Different imprint, right?
And we have we all have theseimprints, and yeah, I think
that's the awareness piece of itright there.
SPEAKER_00 (46:47):
Absolutely.
And that that's a big, big partof it is tuning in, because a
lot of this stuff, bydefinition, is outside your
conscious awareness.
So once we, you know, we've madeyou aware of that pit in your
stomach, and you know, you know,noticing it is the first part.
Then you know, going in after itwith the right tools is you
know, becomes much easier onceyou know how to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (47:08):
Yeah, 100%.
I love it.
So I know before we hit record,right?
You and I, we talked about asubscription service that you
have, right?
SPEAKER_00 (47:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
Limitless by design, hypno, hypnotherapy, right?
Uh or it's a it's ahypnotherapist or hypno uh what
do we call it?
SPEAKER_00 (47:29):
Uh it is a weekly hypnosis exercise.
Uh it's basically, you know, wetalked a little bit about, you
know, when I when I gotdiagnosed with PTSD, I looked
back and realized all the waysI'd shut myself down.
I I think I mentioned, you know,just like going to the grocery
store was exhausting, you knowwhat I mean?
Because you're, you know, I wasso hyper-vigilant.
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And limitless by design isbasically it, it is designed to
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And we want to take every uhevery part of your life, health,
wealth, relationships, and turnthem into what you want them to
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You know, we have a differenttheme every month.
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(48:10):
real.
February is relationships.
October, we're going uh intofinding your tribe and becoming
magnetic to people.
So you can, you know, that'swhere real fulfillment is.
If you lack purpose orfulfillment in your life, go
help somebody else.
That that is where it really thejuice of life is.
It's with other people.
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And a lot of us with COVID,especially, we are we shrunk our
comfort zone basically.
We got into our house.
So it's like, hey, I gotNetflix.
I'm, you know, I can have myfood delivered, you know, all
right.
This, you know, but you know,getting back out, a lot of
people are are really strugglingwith that.
And so it it's it's expandingthose comfort zones uh
(48:53):
subconsciously.
It's you know, taking thatprogramming, you know, that 95%
behind the wheel and changingthat to enable you to make your
life into what you want it.
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Yeah, and so how can folks get a hold of that
subscription?
SPEAKER_00 (49:09):
Or you can check me out at uh Matt Johnson NLP for
neurolinguistic programming.
That's M-A-T-T J-O-H-N-S-O-N andthen letters n L P dot com.
And that's got links to all myprograms, uh Limitless by
Design, if you want a you know,one-on-one session with me and
whatnot.
SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I know you got a few othercourses, programs, different
things like that, one-on-onesessions.
We got a small snapshot of whatthat could potentially look
like.
I I mean, I was we probably hada session here to some of the
things that I mentioned, right?
And and so I I think it it'd begreat for people to take a look
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at and kind of understand theirown imprints, right?
Their own Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Uh I have a a link to uh uh my free NLP course, NLP
Mind Magic on there.
And it's got the unspinning fearthat we just did, it's got the
imposter syndrome on it.
Uh I think it's 13 NLP exercisesdealing with you know those
things, uh perfectionism,procrastination, rejection,
thing all all my most requestedstuff is is on there.
So it's it's really a coolresource.
SPEAKER_01 (50:17):
Yeah, it's all universal, right?
SPEAKER_00 (50:20):
Yeah, yeah.
We all have you know the samenervous system.
It's imprinted in differentways, but like you know, the the
exercises will work the sameway.
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
Yeah, I love it.
I love it.
Well, Matt, this was this wasreally good.
This is really cool.
A lot of folks can get a lot ofvalue.
Might have to listen to it a fewtimes.
You might have to listen to it afew times to uh to to really
follow it.
I know when I go back and listento it, I I'm I'm gonna kick
(50:49):
myself with questions I couldhave asked in a moment.
But uh I thought it was a lot ofgold that we got out of this.
Thank you.
Appreciate you uh coming on theshow.
SPEAKER_00 (50:59):
I really appreciate you having me, man.
It's a pleasure to be here.
I really like what you're doingwith the podcast.
Please keep it up.
Today's episode is all about helping you heal
mental and emotional baggage andtake control of your
subconscious programming.
Today's guest is Matt Johnson,who is a hypnotherapist and a
neurolinguistic programmingcoach, who's turned his recovery
of a brain injury into powerfulmethods to help others transform
their lives.
In this episode, we dive deeperinto Matt's brain injury and the
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years of pain that that causedand how the recovery of it
actually got him into the workthat he's in today.
We also go through the imprintsthat we get in childhood and how
they actually cause patterns inus later.
And then we actually wentthrough some real examples of
how to reframe some of thesepatterns like people pleasing,
imposter syndrome, feelingworthy.
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And then we also go throughcertain things like
self-sabotage, identity.
We also talked a little bitabout how the subconscious
actually runs our life and thescience behind that.
And I just thought it was areally valuable episode about
the programming that we allhave.
And so I hope you guys enjoy theshow.
I love it.
I love it.
So I usually start the show withwho is Matt and uh happy time
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today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
Matt is a nerd at heart.
I got started on this journey in2016.
I got a severe brain injury.
I was hiking with my kids at aplace called Point Lombard Tide
Pools here in San Diego.
And I slipped and landed theback of my head on a slab of
solid rock.
I hit so hard my brain actuallyrebounded, hit the top of my
skull.
I twisted the part here above myeyes.
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Brutal pain.
If you've ever been zapped byelectricity, felt like that
intense pins and needles typefeeling.
That's what was going on in myhead.
For years after that, I was sosensitive to light and sound, I
couldn't even be in a room withthe lights on.
It was too painful.
And so you know, spent a lot oftime alone in the dark.
I had you know room in my house,had black hefty bags taped over
to windows and all that.
(02:00):
And I spent my first severalyears going through the medical
system and you know, didn't youknow did get a lot from it?
I I had four differentneurologists.
The first one told me thatthere's nothing I can do for
you, then tries to schedule mefor a uh follow-up visit.
I'm like, why am I coming backif there's nothing you do for
me?
(02:21):
So you know, on to neuro numbertwo, who gave me a pill, you
know, that made me worse.
Uh, I called him, he gave meanother one, made me made me
better.
And then I uh the next time Isaw him, I asked him, you know,
is there something you can giveme to help me sleep?
Uh, because I was going throughthese brutal cycles, you know,
the pain helped me, uh the painmade it really hard to sleep,
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which made the pain worse.
And I was just going down thesebrutal downward spirals.
And he said, No, nothing I cangive you.
And so on to neural number threeright away.
She's like, Oh, let me give youamitryptaline.
And uh it worked.
And, you know, I'm beyondgrateful to my doctors.
I, you know, I wouldn't be whereI am without them.
But the only reason I tell thatstory is how many people would
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have stopped with that firstone.
You know what I mean?
But spent the first few years,you know, going, you know,
reading every medical study Icould find, geeking out on that
stuff.
I I created a three-pagedocument on you know all the you
know brain injury resources thatcould help people.
I give that off for free.
If anybody would like it, justyou know, shoot me a message.
(03:27):
But I really got to a pointwhere I realized medical science
was not going to save me.
And so I, you know, startedlooking for what else is out
there.
And lucky for me, I live inCalifornia, so I had a lot to
choose from.
I got into energy medicine andall that kind of stuff.
And I, you know, I'd been alifelong skeptic.
I, you know, got into it becauseI I was desperate.
I had no nowhere else to turnand found out some of that stuff
(03:51):
does work.
I one of the first things Itried was called Reiki.
And I told you I had that pinsand needles feeling in my head,
right?
The best description I can givefor it is she took those pins
and needles and kind of madethem fly in formation.
And I'm like, whoa, I have noidea what you're doing, but
please don't stop.
You know, at the end of thetreatment, I'm like, you know,
can you teach me how to do that?
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And so I spent several days withher, learned Reiki, I got into
pronic healing, Qigong, all thisstuff.
And anything that helped me, Ijust tried to dive in and master
it and did a huge amount ofhealing over the next couple of
years, but just could not getrid of that brain, you know,
that light and soundsensitivity, and just couldn't
go out and live my life.
And so at this point, I'mthinking, do I have permanent
(04:32):
damage?
So I found a special type ofbrain scan done by uh Dr.
Daniel Eamon.
An MRI will look at the tissue,which doesn't really tell you a
lot if you have a brain injuryunless you got something really
wrong.
And a spec scan will actuallymap the electrical activity in
the brain.
And I go and get my scan, andlong story short, I my brain was
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okay, but areas that weresupposed to be dark were lit up
like fireworks.
I was diagnosed with PTSD thatday.
And so right away I knew whatthe uh what was going on.
My PTSD was keeping me in fightor flight.
The name of the game with abrain injury is bringing the
brain waves down so that you cangive the brain a chance to rest
and repair itself.
My PTSD was doing the oppositeand sabotaging the healing
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process.
And so, you know, at that point,I'd already known that I'd had
anxiety issues.
I'd seen several therapists, youknow, get the meds and all that.
And I just I knew that wasn'tthe path for me.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
This is before this is before the injury that you
knew you had.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah.
The therapy route.
I I'd known that I'd had theanxiety, and but I never gave it
that label PTSD.
My my thinking at the time wasthat's something the soldiers
get, you know what I mean?
But as soon as I heard thoseletters, it's like, oh, that's
what's going on.
I'd never even you know put twoand two together.
But I I knew traditionaltherapy, you know, wasn't wasn't
(05:52):
gonna cut it for me.
Lucky for me, at that point, Iwas familiar with Tony Robbins
and NLP or neurolinguisticprogramming and hypnosis.
I'd seen my dad get hypnotizedand I knew the power both of
them.
So I dove in, I got quadruplecertified and you know,
hypnotherapy, NLP coaching, allthat, and I peppered every
single instructor I had with thesame exact question how do you
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heal PTSD?
They all tried to help me, butnobody knew how to do it.
It just that info wasn't outthere.
So I went on another geek outjourney for you know about two
and a half years, just learningfrom the greats in both
disciplines and took a littlefrom this guy, a little from
this guy, and finally puttogether a protocol that healed
me.
And about six months later, Ifinally healed the brain injury
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and I can see the light again.
So long-winded answer to thatquestion.
I apologize for that, but that'sthat's my story.
That's what brought me here.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
No, it's it's a lot in there.
And so we're thinking, you know,before we hit record, remember
we say, hey, you know, we have alot of things, maybe patterns
that we have, anxiety,depression, you know, a lot of
different things that's goingon, right?
And until we have some type ofpain is when we kind of start to
(07:05):
try to figure out what the whatthe issue is and how we can deal
with it, right?
Yeah.
And so with your injury, itsounds like you had PTSD before
the actual injury.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
I was a little guy when I got mine, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:20):
Wow.
And so how do you think you youbecause you mentioned anxiety,
right?
How else would you do you thinkthat was kind of affecting your
day-to-day before the injury?
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah.
I had severe anxiety, I haddepression, I was you know,
suicidal several times, youknow, growing up.
I also noticed, you know, once Igot my diagnosis looking back, I
realized all the way I shutmyself down.
When you've got you knowsomething severe going on like
that, just going to the grocerystore is exhausting.
So you don't want to do itunless you have to, you know
(07:51):
what I mean?
And so it I really was, youknow, living a fraction of the
life that I could have, you knowwhat I mean?
I was a shell of a person, to behonest.
But yeah, it's once I got mydiagnosis, though, it all just
it made sense.
And you know, the the braininjury, I definitely don't want
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another one, but it, you know,it wound up being a huge gift
because I never would have puttwo and two together and
realized that I had PTSD unlessI had gotten that brain scan.
SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
100%, yeah.
You know, I'm sitting herethinking about it, like so you
probably knew you knew somethingwas going on with you, right?
Before you couldn't put a nameto it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (08:35):
Right, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
And obviously, okay, you don't want to fall and hit
your head on on rock.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
Yeah, I don't recommend it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
But then being the best thing for you, obviously,
and you you went through allthese different things to try to
heal the pain and differentthings.
What was that experience likehealing yourself?
Right?
I think it's a lot of folks outthere who probably first of all,
they don't even have theawareness, right?
They have something or or theyhave certain patterns that they
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need to heal, right?
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
What did that process look like for you?
You mentioned six months, right?
I would love to hear what thatlooked like.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
Healing those patterns.
If you think about the firsttime you drove a car, you your
hands were tan and two, you werelike hyper-focused on not
hitting anything, right?
Fast forward a few years, yougot a cell phone in one hand,
coffee in the other, you knowwhat I mean?
It's I'm kidding, please don'tdo that.
But it that shows the process,you know, it became so automatic
for you, you didn't even have tothink about it.
Most of us have had theexperience of driving and
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realizing we haven't even beenpaying attention, right?
How are you able to not crashwhen you're off in Lila Land?
It's because your subconsciouslearned how to drive, just
learns through repetition,right?
Awesome process for driving, butproblems can happen when you
hand it things like you knownegative beliefs or negative
emotions, limiting beliefs,things like that.
(09:59):
It, you know, when once thoseare down in into that
programming, then you got aproblem.
That's why, you know, talktherapy didn't uh work for me.
My trauma was subconscious.
And to get it, is like my dad,you know, when he got
hypnotized, it was to stopsmoking.
I he smoked a pack a day forover 30 years, and I saw him
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trying pills, patches, gums, youname it, failing every single
time.
Then he got hypnotized.
He told me after one hypnosissession, he never even craved
cigarettes again.
Now, why would one session be soyou know impactful when
everything else failed?
It's because it targeted thatprogramming where it lives,
which is in the subconsciousmind.
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By the time you hit 30 yearsold, up to 95% of all your
day-to-day behaviors are drivenby the subconscious.
And it's like the drivingexample.
You learn how to do everythingon autopilot, it's what your
mind is designed to do.
But you know, again, when youhand it stuff that you don't
want, and usually this willhappen in childhood, not always.
Human beings zero to seven willgo through what's called the
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imprinting phase, which is yourbrain takes in a huge amount of
uh knowledge, but we haven'tdeveloped what's called a
critical faculty yet, whichmeans we can't judge the info
that's coming in.
So we just accept that this isthe way the world is, people
are, all that.
Whatever programming you gotduring those years is still
running, you know, the vastmajority of those habits.
I don't I don't know if thatanswers your question.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Yeah, no, it does actually.
And I think it's kind of takingus, it's gonna take us to kind
of the next thing, right?
Okay.
I even thought about it.
You know, I I've been readingthis book called uh No Bad
Parts.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Yes, oh yeah.
Uh Richard Schwartz, right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:36):
Yeah, by Richard Schwartz.
Yeah, yeah.
And he mentioned how obviouslythese parts, right, that you
mentioned that that zero seven,you know, lifespan, right?
When we are taking in all thisinformation and we are trying to
find ways to survive, right?
We get these patterns or theseparts that help us survive,
(12:00):
right?
And they're in it's genius,right?
Yeah.
Help us, you know, receive loveor help us to protect ourselves,
whatever the case may be.
But we don't grow out of thosepatterns.
They keep going, they keepleading us, right?
And become subconscious, likeyou mentioned, right?
It runs our life pretty muchuntil we actually go back and
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kind of heal those parts, right?
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
If you think of, if you've everseen that movie Ghostbusters,
where they put that trap out toto trap the ghost in, that's
very much like a part.
It's it's self-contained, it iswhole within that uh within that
uh that trap, but it, you know,it's still, if it happened to
you at five years old, it'sstill a five-year-old kid inside
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that part.
It's a very noble thing to do.
It's protecting the rest of yourpsyche from having to deal with
whatever that was.
But that part, when it sees thatyou know, we're entering a
similar situation or somethingthat thinks it's dangerous
because of whatever happened, itit takes charge.
And stuff can, you know, youknow, you can do some crazy
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stuff in that in that situation.
IFS, the internal familysystems, what it was talking
about with the the parts and allthat really fascinating stuff.
Um yeah, yeah.
It's it explains so much of ourbehavior.
NLP, we actually have a processwe call parts integration.
It's one of my favorite oneswhere we do we you know can get
rid of bad habits and thingslike that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Walk us through that.
I would love to hear.
But what is that?
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Okay, okay.
Um, it's basically a part issomething you by definition do
part of the time.
And so if you've got like ahabit or something like that, it
would take me about 10 minutesto really go through it.
But what we do, now yoursubconscious mind works very
powerfully on symbols.
And so we have that part comeout and stand on your hand, as
silly as that sounds.
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And then we have its opposite,the the opposite number,
whatever the the opposite of,you know, if it's if it's a
weakling or if it's afraid, youknow, you have your most
powerful part come out on theother hand.
You have them look at eachother, say, hey, you know, what
attributes would you like tohave about the other?
You know, and you look at what'scalled your highest intent.
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And every every action, everyreaction you have has a positive
intent in some level that couldbe to protect you from you know
further danger or you know,protect your reputation and
things like that.
But once you realize that, youknow, those those two parts will
actually have the same intentfor you.
They just go about it verydifferent ways.
(14:30):
And you take your hands andphysically touch them together,
you feel it in your brain.
It is a very strange experience,but those those neurons
literally physically rewirethemselves.
It's really fascinating stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
Yeah, I I love that because so I mean, for instance,
and I and I can give you a partof myself is like the people
pleasing, yes, uhover-accommodating type of
person.
Nice, nice guy, nice, you know,which you know, in some cases it
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can help.
And I used to I used to get sohard on myself about that, like,
man, like what's wrong with me,right?
And then obviously realizingafter you know reading Richard
Short's book, No Bad Parts,ended up acknowledging that,
okay, this was this was a a goodthing, right?
I I needed to do this, right?
(15:23):
Growing up.
And then like you mentioned,what would be the opposite,
right?
To to be more assertive, right?
To to to be, you know, a littlebit more direct, right?
And integrating those partstogether and and integrating
those things.
I I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah.
That particular situation, therecould be like some self-worth
programs going on there.
And what happens is, you know,kids when they're when they're
young, they they takeresponsibility for everything.
And really common thing is likea mom and dad are fighting.
I must have done somethingwrong.
You know what I mean?
When it has nothing to do withthem.
The ironic thing is as adults,we have all the power, but we
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take none of the responsibility.
You know what I mean?
But what can happen with that isyou know, you wind up putting
other people's needs ahead ofyour own.
I that one I can actually do inabout you know, probably 20
seconds, if you want.
I have a really cool NFTexercise.
This works really well forimposter syndrome, too.
You know, imagine yourself thatperson that you would you know
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normally subjugate yourself toor whatnot.
Imagine they're standing infront of you and imagine you
start to grow taller and taller,growing up, so you're as tall as
King Kong, and then put thatperson in your hand, and you can
point at them and laugh.
If you that usually intensifiesthe experience, but what happens
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is your first few years on onEarth, you're looking up at
everyone and everything, right?
And that is a very submissiveplace to be.
You and it's reality, you haveno power, but that has a huge
impact on us subconsciously.
Hollywood knows this reallywell.
If you know you see the theaction hero or whatnot, a lot of
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times the camera's looking up atthem, they're they're looking
down at as a very domineeringposition.
We all started life the oppositeway, and so what that exercise
does is it just teaches yoursubconscious, hey, I'm not
inferior to anyone.
I'm not, you know, I don't haveto subjugate myself to this
person.
Works really well on asking agirl out on a date, too.
It just relieves that pressure,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
You know, I love that actually, that that that to
visualize that.
And you mentioned not only justin maybe people pleasing or
overaccommodating, but also toowith imposter syndrome as well.
Just visualize yourself growingtaller, growing into, like you
said, King Kong, lifting themup, putting them in your hand,
laughing at them, right?
(17:51):
To help your self-conscious.
Yeah, I think another thing Ithink people can struggle with
is consistency.
Right.
Okay.
Uh threshold of it, right?
It's like, man, for two weeks,two weeks I've been doing really
good.
And then it's like as soon asI'm about to finally hit that
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breakthrough, maybe that's goingto the gym, maybe that's some
type of business activity,budgeting, right?
Okay, on a weekly basis basis, Ibudget it.
I've scheduled my calendar, anyhabit you have, right?
SPEAKER_00 (18:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
People get to a point where as soon as they're
about to have that break, thatfull breakthrough, they sabotage
it, right?
Talk to me about that.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
Uh there, that is a really fascinating topic.
There could be some identityissues with that.
I think I'm a level eightperson.
I'm about to hit that level 10goal, so I'll I'll kind of
sabotage myself.
We all have like an internalthermostat.
If I think of myself as a youknow,$100,000 a year person and
I hit that$100,000 in October,what am I gonna be doing the
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next two months?
I'm gonna be slacking off,right?
But if I think I'm a$200,000 ayear person, this is all
subconscious, by the way, andI'm only at$100,000 in October,
what am I gonna be doing thosemonths?
I'm gonna be busting my butt,right?
We all have that thermostatthat's regulates us in different
areas, but we also have to lookat there's everything we do is
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done for one of two things,either avoid pain or gain
pleasure.
That's, you know, that is thebasis of all your behaviors.
About 80% of us are gonna havewhat's called an away from pain
strategy.
And that does not mean you're anegative person.
Our cult our culture wants us tobe positive and all that, which
I agree with, but these are twodifferent things we're talking
about.
An away from pain uh uh personis only gonna be motivated by
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pain.
You talk to them about that biggoal or you know, sunshine and
rainbows and all that, it's justgonna go in one ear and not the
other.
You really got to get them, youknow, up and moving with the
pain.
But there's an issue with that.
Once you get far enough fromthat pain, all of a sudden it
starts to dissipate and youstart to, you know, chill out
(20:05):
and say, okay, I'm all rightnow.
What you want to do isincorporate both.
You start with, you know, getthat pain, visualize, you know.
I I take people through uh TonyRobbins calls it the Dickens
process.
You look at what you're doingand what the outcome is going to
be, you fast forward 10 yearsand then 20 years, and look at
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you know, all the most horrificthings you can imagine happening
to you because of that, get thatpain, you know, to light that
fire under you, and then youswitch to the pleasure.
So you're not beating yourselfup, you know, but you can stay
in a positive state, but you goback to the pain just when you
need it, just long enough to getyou to the pleasure, and that
that will keep you propelledforward.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
Yeah.
I um when you explain that, Irealize that I am more of a
person that is motivated bypain, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
That's about 80% of us.
There's nothing wrong with it.
I'm one, two, it's it's kind oflike being right-handed or
left-handed.
There's there's just yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Yeah, and and the reason why I even I even just
realized that is because youmentioned, okay, once you get
far away from that pain, youstart to relax a little bit,
right?
You know, once you hit the goalaway, now you start eating pizza
and donuts and all this stuff,you know, right?
But once you, you know, you hityou hit that that finance goal,
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it's like, okay, I'm gonna go ona vacation, you know, gonna make
this crazy purchase, right?
And so definitely, I I I thinkincorporating both because I
know once I get close enough tothe pain, it's like I just
explode.
It's like a different level ofof and then also too, right?
(21:52):
I I think incorporating both,like you said, where you aren't
beating yourself up because Ithink I have been a habit of
kind of feeling some shame, someshame and some guilt, especially
when I get to that point, right?
Yeah, so being able to handlethat, I know a lot of folks can
get into that trap of shamingthemselves to reach a goal or
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guilting themselves to reach agoal.
SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
Yeah, that's really common, especially look at like
New Year's resolutions.
What's everybody's approach?
Yeah, I'm gonna work out sixhours and starve myself, right?
And how often does that work, orhow long does that work?
Me, I would quit by like daytwo.
You know what I mean?
The way you want to go about it,you know, use the pain and
pleasure, but you want to juststart where you are and make
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those just tiny little shifts.
If you can just make a twomillimeter shift every day, uh
if you improve one percent perday, that is not 365 in a year.
That one percent will compoundon each other, and it winds up
being 3,700.
That's 37 times improvement inone year just for doing one
percent more a day.
So, like I I had a point whenyou know my kids were young and
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all that.
I the only time I could getcould go to the gym was to by
getting up at four o'clock inthe morning, which is not easy
to do.
But yeah, it was but using thatand just you know, starting
where I was.
If you're somebody who'sintimidated by the gym, maybe
just go swipe your card thefirst day.
Day two, maybe check out amachine, you know what I mean?
But just baby steps.
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And if you leave with a littlebit left in the tank, it will
not take long.
You'll be you know itching to goback in versus you know wearing
yourself out and you know beingin pain for a week and saying,
Ah, I'm never gonna do thatagain.
But that and for me, and well,for everyone, fun gets done.
If you can find a way to make itfun, like for me, I like
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listening to Tony and I lovebasketball.
You know, we we have that incommon.
I, you know, I was a big timebasketball player when I was
younger.
I so I always ended my workoutswith 10 minutes of shooting
hoops.
And when that alarm went off atfour o'clock in the morning, I
needed an image that I couldflash on that that would drag me
out of bed, and that was it.
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I I had enough pleasure, youknow, built around that habit
that I was able to do it.
I can count on one hand thenumber of days that I missed in
about six years, getting up atfour o'clock in the morning and
you know, just with those twoapproaches, two millimeters and
fun gets done.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah, having fun.
I think a lot of folks don'trealize that that could be a
choice to have fun, right?
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
I mean, most most adults now, if you talk to them,
hey, what do you do for fun?
It's a tough question for themto answer, right?
It usually drinking, right?
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
You know, whatever the case may be, right?
And so we I think we need tothink about what is almost like
kidlike.
You know, it I'm pretty surethat takes you back to kind of
your childhood to some degree.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Right.
I know when I go to the gym,right?
I'm not shy about uh reallygetting into the music and
dancing to some degree, right?
While I'm in early in themorning so that I can get
excited during the workout,right?
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
That's how I work.
Yeah, I I can work for, youknow, I usually work about 12
hours a day now.
I'm I'm dancing for probablyhalf of you know you gotta have
fun.
SPEAKER_01 (25:14):
You have and I think I didn't realize that, you know,
and you can probably relate toit, those practices where you
just did not feel like beingthere, and you know the coach is
in a bad mood, and you know it'slike it's it's super cold
outside.
You know, you from you fromDetroit, I'm here in Chicago, so
cold and it's it's it's beendark all day.
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You just don't have the energyto do it, but you just decide
like let's just have fun withthis, let's dance, let's let's
laugh, uh, let's let's focus.
You you can do it all at once,right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it makes things it justchanges your perspective, you
know.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
There there's another trick, thethe Navy SEALs, they realized
years ago that they the peoplewho are above a certain IQ level
never finished the program.
And they they started lookinginto why.
And people with super high IQsare usually they they use it
kind of like a crutch, you knowwhat I mean?
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They use it to get through life.
And when they when they werefaced with that much pain, they
weren't used to it.
And so they came up with anapproach just focused on the
next 10 seconds at a time, just10 seconds at a time, and that
that got them through it.
Yeah, it's people the theultimate example of this is a
book called Man's Search forMeaning by Victor Frankel.
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This guy, he was a Jewishpsychiatrist.
He was in Auschwitz during theHolocaust and watched his family
get burned up.
I mean, it was horrible stuff.
But he noticed a pattern thatpeople who the people who made
it who actually got out of itwere the ones who created what
he called a compelling future.
It's I'm gonna get out of thisjust so I can tell the story,
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you know what I mean, versus thepeople who got in here and you
know said, all right, that's it,I'm done for.
They they did not last long.
But it's it's all about thatmental movie where you know what
are you playing in your head andyou know what what's your
outcome?
What's your why?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Yeah, well, I and I think when going through pain,
that is, I think, one of themain minds you you need to have.
Compelling future.
That that's the first time I'veactually, and I've heard a lot
of quotes from the VictorFrankel book, Man, Search for
Meaning.
And just sitting here talkingabout it, I feel like I need to
actually pick it up and read it.
But it's a compelling future,right?
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I think a lot of times that iswhat carries you through.
You go through some type of hardtime.
It's it's okay, I'm gonna learnsomething on the back half of
this.
I am going to grow from the backhalf of this, right?
I'm gonna be right.
And so I love that.
A compelling future.
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
I'll tell you, in my case, when I was sitting in that
dark room and I couldn't even,you know, I couldn't look at my
phone.
It was it was too painful.
Mine was I I'm gonna get out ofhere.
I I'd seen my dad go through hisown dark night of the soul.
He got in a bad accident, youknow, wasn't able to work
anymore.
But I'd watched him kind of godownhill, you know, kind of
spiral downwards.
And I wanted to be an example tomy kids of, you know, I I hope
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not, but they're, you know, theywill probably have their own
dark night of the soul at somepoint.
I wanted to be an example tothem of how to get out of it.
And so I just, you know, stayedrelentlessly positive.
I I knew I couldn't allow anegative thought into my head.
It was just that was the onlychance I had to get out of
there.
But a lot of times, you know, mypoint is a lot of times you'll
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do more for other people,especially your kids, than
you'll do for yourself.
So if you need that formotivation, use it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Yeah, I think I think we talked about, and
obviously it's different whenyou have kids, right?
Yeah.
Here's what I've been learningat 29 now, and I'm learning that
we we talk about others' needs,putting others' needs, right?
You know, when it comes to beingaccountable, having an
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accountability partner, somebodythat can help you, or you just
it just seems like you have moremotivation to help somebody else
yourself.
And when you have kids,obviously it's different, it's a
different level, right?
It's just crazy that if we canmeet somebody or have a stranger
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who would probably meet theirneeds before ours or partner or
whatever the case may be.
You're it can be something whereyou are neglecting yourself or
not meeting yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (29:44):
Self-sacrifice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
Self-sacrifice is the word.
A lot of self sabotaging goingon there.
What what do you think couldhelp folks with that?
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
Realize that, all right.
First of all, it's our if you goback to like caveman, caveman
days, if you got booted out ofyour tribe, it meant almost
certain death for you and youroffspring.
Our tribe is, you know, lifeitself.
And so anytime we're facingostracism or, you know,
anything, any type of loss ofstatus in our tribe, that lights
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up the same fear circuits in thebrain as a life or death
situation, because to the brain,it is.
And so most of us are reallyfocused on, you know,
maintaining our reputation inthat tribe.
And so that that's where it canbe coming from.
A lot of it, you know, can alsobe that self-worth issue.
I have to put everybody elsebefore myself.
I've been guilty of that.
You know what I mean?
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You can't pour from an emptycup.
You know what I'm saying?
And it really for me, it took myinjury to, you know, really have
to put myself first.
And, you know, as a parent and,you know, husband and all that,
it's yeah, I was, you know,constantly hustling and just,
you know, trying to, you know,build a better life for my
family and all that kind ofstuff.
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But you know, it doesn't take abrain injury.
You just you have to thinkabout, you know, especially if
you do have kids, would you wantthem doing what you're doing
when when they grow up?
You know what I mean?
Do you want them to have thatthat same type of you know
self-sacrifice?
You know, if not, then don'tmodel that.
Model something better.
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I I remember Oprah Winfreytalked about she my mother and
my wife both love Oprah.
So I, you know, I got like 20years straight from her.
But that's the she had a lady onwho talked about like, you know,
if I'm looking in the mirror andsaying, Oh, I'm so fat and that
kind of thing, then thedaughters will do that too.
And so model what you want yourkids to be, you know, and that's
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a big thing for me.
So I always took the opposite.
I, you know, I made jokes out ofit, but you know, I'm so
freaking awesome.
You know what I mean?
Because I want them to feel thatway about themselves.
So I I try to model that forthem.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
Yeah, 100%.
And and even if you don't havekids, right?
The people around you, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
Same.
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
So we'll take on a lot of that stuff too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
And if you're willing to take care of somebody
else's needs, they will usuallylet you.
You know what I mean?
So it's knowing where to drawthat boundary.
And if you're worried aboutwhere that relationship's gonna
go, that means it's a conditionof that relationship that you
sacrifice yourself for them.
So you, I mean, I I'm not one toanswer that for you, but you
have to ask yourself thequestion do I really want to
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keep that going?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
And and why too?
Why willing to self-sacrifice?
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you know, it's you know,even if that person drops off,
that that just creates a vacuumfor the right person to come in.
I I've seen that over and overagain.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
I love it.
I love that.
Subconscious mind, right?
I don't know if we've quite goneinto it, right?
And it's a big topic.
Yeah, we understand thesubconscious mind and how it
kind of and you mentioned it alittle bit before how it runs
about 95% of our life, prettymuch.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, it's the 95% behind the wheel, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Yeah, and so tell us a little bit about that, that
the the subconscious mind, howit works, and then how can we
start to reprogram it or or atleast extend to stop to do that?
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
It's very much like the carexample, those programs are down
there, it's just like acomputer.
Your subconscious mind does notthink, it only computes, it runs
on whatever programs are alreadyin there.
W if you're looking tounderstand why we do the things
we do, there I'm gonna go off ona little bit of a tangent here,
but there are three main layersto your brain.
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You have the reptile brain,which is called your amygdala.
It understands, you know, fightor flight, it's got to eat it,
run from it, mate with it,whatever.
But it only its only goal is tokeep you alive for the next two
seconds and to pass on yourgenes.
That's all it cares about.
Above that, you have what'scalled your mammal brain, which
is, you know, think of your dogfor this one.
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Understands love, family, youknow, those kind of things.
Whereas a lot of reptiles willeat their young.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the difference betweenthe two brain layers.
Above that, we have ourneocortex, which handles all our
higher order logic and thingslike that.
Most people think the neocortexis what's in charge.
In reality, it's usually thereptile.
Anybody who's in sales knowsthat emotion decisions, buying
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decisions, are made with emotionand justified by logic.
And that is the process.
The reptile is looking at, allright, what's this going to do
for me?
Is it gonna increase mypleasure?
Is it gonna increase my status,which the reptile is very big
on?
And when it, you know, when yourwife comes home with the fur
coat or the jewelry or somethinglike that, and you know, you,
you know, why did you spend thismuch money and you get a crazy
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answer that doesn't make sense?
That's what's going on.
The reptile made the decisionand it got justified with logic
on the way out.
Again, it's your subconsciousmind, it it controls everything
in your body you don't have tothink about.
Your breathing, heartbeat, bodytemperature, how much insulin
you occur after a meal.
It also creates that pit in yourstomach when you think about you
know something that makes younervous or you know, tightness
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in your chest or whatnot.
Again, it it is thousands oftimes more powerful than the
conscious.
It's it's so much of our livesis is run by it.
It's you know, we could be hereall day uh talking about what's
going on with it, but it's it'sas far as you know, when you go
in to change it.
I I think I told you, you know,I I tried the talk therapists
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and all that kind of stuff.
The reason they didn't work, youknow, in my case, is you know,
they were targeting my consciousmind.
And that's not where my traumawas.
My trauma was subconscious, andso I had to find the right tools
to go in and rewrite thoseprograms.
That was hypnosis and NLP.
And that's that's how youbasically how you do it.
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If you want to, if you've gotsomething going on that's you
know automatic, you know, badhabits or something like that,
or something that you know youhaven't, you know, traditional
methods haven't been able totouch.
I would, you know, encourage youknow checking out you know,
hypnosis NLP and you know getdown where where those programs
lie.
And you when you address themwhen they're where they live, a
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small change made really deepcan have a huge ripple effect on
the surface to the point whereit seems like miracles.
It there's really no miracles,it's just uh you're finally
getting it where it where itlives.
And you know.
SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
Because it's like, you know, a lot of people can
well, I I don't know if a lot ofpeople can, but it's folks out
there who are they especiallywith talk therapy, they are
aware of the trauma, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But embodying it is also adifference, right?
unknown (36:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
And talk therapy is a wonderful thing for a lot of
people.
I I'm not bagging on it.
It's you know, I have nothingbut you know, utmost respect.
If if that works for you, thenyou know, please do it.
If it doesn't work for you, I Iwould encourage you, if not, you
know, my path, then you know,find what does that's all I'm
saying.
And you know, for me, you know,I if yeah, and again, I'm not a
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doctor, I'm not diagnosinganything here, but you know, I
think a trauma is when somethingleaves an imprint on your
nervous system and yoursubconscious mind, you know,
that can be a car crash, warzone, childhood for a lot of us.
And if you're getting, you know,your automatic reactions are
excessive for the situation, youknow what I mean?
Overreacting, hypervigilance,things like that.
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That is, you know, that's aclue.
And again, I'm not diagnosing,but that that's a clue that it's
something subconscious.
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
I agree.
I agree with you.
Uh wait, you say so say that onemore time.
Trauma leaves an imprint on onyour nervous system.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
So someone who I take a classic example, like a
soldier who's been to war, hearsfireworks, and all of a sudden
he's you know freaking out.
You know what I mean?
It's just that sound, it justtriggered something in here, in
him.
You know, a lot of times, youknow, if somebody gets attacked,
they can smell the same cologne30 years later and you know, go
right back into it.
You know, that's that's thereptile, that's the subconscious
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that's you know, oh hey, thesmell means danger, you know
what I mean?
It doesn't make any sense, youknow, when you look at it
logically, but to thesubconscious, it makes perfect
sense.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah.
And as you mentioned before, youknow, that that talk therapy
piece, right?
First of all, it it what itreally does really help you
become aware.
And it does help you become moreemotionally intelligent.
SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yeah.
The whys of why am I, why is mychest tightened up because of
it?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:49):
And a lot of times just that that awareness can
help you clear it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
And then you have these other types of therapy,
EDMR, that somatic experiencetherapy, like nervous system,
right?
And then we talk about NLP andhypnotherapy, right?
Walk us through what is the hip,what is hypnotherapy and then
hypnosis, right?
I I think a lot of folks thinkabout what they've seen on TV,
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right?
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:15):
And yeah, what is that?
SPEAKER_00 (39:17):
I I will start by saying you can never lose the
ability to accept or reject anysuggestion given.
That that ability that is therewith you no matter how deep you
go.
You're always, you always haveyour wits about you, you're
always in line with your valuesand all that.
I would argue more so becausewe've gotten all your crap out
of the way.
But hypnosis is just where weset the conscious mind aside and
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let the subconscious becomeactive.
Once that happens, we can go inand rewrite those programs we've
been talking about.
You know, you get rid ofbehaviors you don't want, bad
habits, install new ones,overcome fears, phobias, you
know, stress, pain, you name it.
In the same breath, NLP issimilar.
It's kind of like an owner'smanual for your mind.
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It's a set of tools to help youunderstand how you do those
subconscious processes and alsohow to change them.
So, for example, I deal with alot of people who have like
memories, you know, intrusivethoughts or ruminating, things
like that.
What we'll do is tune into howdo you do that process?
How do you do that memory?
Do you get a picture?
Do you get a feeling?
Do you get a sound?
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Those are called or visualauditory kinesthetic modalities,
you know, in geek speak, butit's how do you do it?
All right, for probably 80% ofpeople, it's a picture.
All right, where is thatpicture?
To the right or to the left?
How big is it?
Is it in color, black and white,flat or 3D?
You know what I mean?
Once you tune into that picture,I'll you know, I'll have them
take it and shrink it in half.
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And you know, that will usuallylessen the impact.
I'll have them dump a bucket ofwhite paint on it, they'll
they'll feel a release.
I'll have them send it way outon the horizon.
And it sounds ridiculous, butwhat we're doing is
communicating to thesubconscious that this is not a
threat anymore.
We've taken this big giant thingand made it into something tiny
and uh just played with it.
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I don't know if that answersyour uh your question or not.
SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
It does.
And you know, pretty much goingto tapping into the
subconscious.
SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you mentioned like youknow, EMDR and all that.
EMDR can I've seen it work andI've seen it not work.
Some people swear by it.
It's it's basically there's uhyou activate different parts of
your brain based on where youpoint your eyes.
You have a visual cortex and anauditory and a kinesthetic.
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EMDR will have you reprocess it,run those memories while you
flip your eyes back and forth,back and forth, back and forth.
Sounds ridiculous, but for a lotof people it actually does work.
And you know, if you'relistening and you know thinking
that might work for you,insurance does cover it.
So that's a blessing.
But you know, you mentionedsomatic.
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Like I mentioned before, withthe the pit in your stomach and
all that, your subconsciouscontrols everything in your
body, and stress actually getsstored in your body.
There's a ton of studies uh onthis, and you know, it causes
all kinds of things, you know,inflammation, autoimmune.
There's a great book calledAnswer Cancer, where he talks
about cancer and you know, a lotof you know the autoimmune stuff
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and other diseases are alsooften found in clusters on the
same person.
And he, you know, says it'sbecause of a what's he calls a
sensitizing event, in otherwords, trauma.
But you're when you think aboutlike the placebo effect, right?
A lot of times people who, youknow, they get in these clinical
clinical trials, a lot of timespeople who are getting nothing
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but a sugar pill will havebetter results than the people
who are actually taking thedrug, right?
The subconscious mind is thatpowerful, has that much control
over the body.
So when you've got stress storeddown in there, you can do
somatic releasing, all thatstuff works very well.
Uh, you can also hypnotize itout.
I've got you know severalhypnosis to deal with that kind
of stuff.
But again, it's it's gettingthat awareness like you were
(43:01):
talking about of all right, whatam I doing?
How am I doing this?
Where do I hold my stress?
You know, for me, it's mystomach and my back, you know
what I mean?
Tuning into your body, tuninginto your mind, how am I doing
these processes and then pickingthe right tool to go after them?
SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Yeah, 100%.
I, you know, I know a few thingsfor myself is I feel
constricted, you know, nervoussystem, right?
SPEAKER_00 (43:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
That's that's one telling of me of like, okay, I
feel constricted here.
Like I can, I'm not necessarilymyself here.
What's going on?
Right.
Whether that's me, me speakingor whatever the case, we we've
all felt that constricted pieceof like weight.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Would you like a cool tool to unwind that?
SPEAKER_01 (43:41):
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
All right, cool.
This is one of my favorite LPexercises.
All right.
Imagine you're in that uhposition or that situation that
makes you feel constricted.
Now, notice where do you feelthat in your body?
Point to it.
SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
All right, perfect.
Now, everyone following along,if you can do so safely, if
you're not driving, you canclose your eyes.
Now, in your mind's eye, if thatfeeling had a color, what color
would it be?
First impression.
SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
Yellow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:08):
Perfect.
Is there more than one color?
SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Yeah, red, yellow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
Okay, awesome.
That red-yellow feeling.
If it had a shape, what shapewould it be?
Perfect.
That red yellow circle, if itwere moving, what direction
would it be turning in?
If it's hard to tell, tryturning it one way than the
other.
See what feels natural.
Okay, perfect.
Try turning the opposite way andsee what that does to the
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feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (44:39):
Yeah, I feel uh a release.
SPEAKER_00 (44:41):
Okay, good, good.
Now, if you'd like to, you canspin it up, make it go faster
and faster in either direction.
Just find the direction thatworks best for you.
It's it it could be in the samesame one, just whatever's best,
and spin it up if you'd likewhile you drain all that color
right out.
Just make it totally transparentin there.
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And then fill it back up withwhatever color you want.
Some people like gold or pink,green or blue, whatever feels
most peaceful for you.
And then once you fill it up,still spinning it, add a sparkle
to it.
Once it starts to swirlthroughout like a can of cane,
one of those poles in front of abarbershop.
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How does that feel?
It makes a change, right?
It's simple visualizations.
Like I said, your yoursubconscious mind works very
powerfully with symbols.
And so what we did is we tookthat body process, which your
subconscious was doing to you,and we give it a visual
component.
Once we do that, we can thenchange it.
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You know, we can play with itand make it what we want to.
That that's the gist of what Ido.
SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
I I that's I was gonna ask, Iwas gonna ask what what what was
the why behind that?
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
I mean, that's that's it right there.
Yeah, I think hopefully a lot offolks will start to realize.
And and if you don't realize,when you know, understand when
you are going through yourday-to-day life when you start
to feel maybe constricted, painin your stomach, tightness.
Maybe it's when you talk to astranger, stranger says
(46:23):
something.
I mean, we all have our ownthings that we all have our own
kind of uh blockages, right?
Uh that we have in ourday-to-day.
What blocks me might notnecessarily block you.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:35):
Yeah.
It's like a fingerprint,different for everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
Different imprint, right?
And we have we all have theseimprints, and yeah, I think
that's the awareness piece of itright there.
SPEAKER_00 (46:47):
Absolutely.
And that that's a big, big partof it is tuning in, because a
lot of this stuff, bydefinition, is outside your
conscious awareness.
So once we, you know, we've madeyou aware of that pit in your
stomach, and you know, you know,noticing it is the first part.
Then you know, going in after itwith the right tools is you
know, becomes much easier onceyou know how to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (47:08):
Yeah, 100%.
I love it.
So I know before we hit record,right?
You and I, we talked about asubscription service that you
have, right?
SPEAKER_00 (47:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
Limitless by design, hypno, hypnotherapy, right?
Uh or it's a it's ahypnotherapist or hypno uh what
do we call it?
SPEAKER_00 (47:29):
Uh it is a weekly hypnosis exercise.
Uh it's basically, you know, wetalked a little bit about, you
know, when I when I gotdiagnosed with PTSD, I looked
back and realized all the waysI'd shut myself down.
I I think I mentioned, you know,just like going to the grocery
store was exhausting, you knowwhat I mean?
Because you're, you know, I wasso hyper-vigilant.
(47:49):
And limitless by design isbasically it, it is designed to
do that, make you limitless.
And we want to take every uhevery part of your life, health,
wealth, relationships, and turnthem into what you want them to
be.
You know, we have a differenttheme every month.
January's hitting your NewYear's resolutions, making them
(48:10):
real.
February is relationships.
October, we're going uh intofinding your tribe and becoming
magnetic to people.
So you can, you know, that'swhere real fulfillment is.
If you lack purpose orfulfillment in your life, go
help somebody else.
That that is where it really thejuice of life is.
It's with other people.
(48:31):
And a lot of us with COVID,especially, we are we shrunk our
comfort zone basically.
We got into our house.
So it's like, hey, I gotNetflix.
I'm, you know, I can have myfood delivered, you know, all
right.
This, you know, but you know,getting back out, a lot of
people are are really strugglingwith that.
And so it it's it's expandingthose comfort zones uh
(48:53):
subconsciously.
It's you know, taking thatprogramming, you know, that 95%
behind the wheel and changingthat to enable you to make your
life into what you want it.
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Yeah, and so how can folks get a hold of that
subscription?
SPEAKER_00 (49:09):
Or you can check me out at uh Matt Johnson NLP for
neurolinguistic programming.
That's M-A-T-T J-O-H-N-S-O-N andthen letters n L P dot com.
And that's got links to all myprograms, uh Limitless by
Design, if you want a you know,one-on-one session with me and
whatnot.
SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I know you got a few othercourses, programs, different
things like that, one-on-onesessions.
We got a small snapshot of whatthat could potentially look
like.
I I mean, I was we probably hada session here to some of the
things that I mentioned, right?
And and so I I think it it'd begreat for people to take a look
(49:51):
at and kind of understand theirown imprints, right?
Their own Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Uh I have a a link to uh uh my free NLP course, NLP
Mind Magic on there.
And it's got the unspinning fearthat we just did, it's got the
imposter syndrome on it.
Uh I think it's 13 NLP exercisesdealing with you know those
things, uh perfectionism,procrastination, rejection,
thing all all my most requestedstuff is is on there.
So it's it's really a coolresource.
SPEAKER_01 (50:17):
Yeah, it's all universal, right?
SPEAKER_00 (50:20):
Yeah, yeah.
We all have you know the samenervous system.
It's imprinted in differentways, but like you know, the the
exercises will work the sameway.
SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
Yeah, I love it.
I love it.
Well, Matt, this was this wasreally good.
This is really cool.
A lot of folks can get a lot ofvalue.
Might have to listen to it a fewtimes.
You might have to listen to it afew times to uh to to really
follow it.
I know when I go back and listento it, I I'm I'm gonna kick
(50:49):
myself with questions I couldhave asked in a moment.
But uh I thought it was a lot ofgold that we got out of this.
Thank you.
Appreciate you uh coming on theshow.
SPEAKER_00 (50:59):
I really appreciate you having me, man.
It's a pleasure to be here.
I really like what you're doingwith the podcast.
Please keep it up.
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