April 7, 2025 • 63 mins
Our relationship with money directly mirrors our relationship with ourselves. Money mindset expert Pericles Rellas shares how shifting our thoughts about money can transform our financial reality and overall wellbeing.
• Money functions as a magnifying glass that amplifies who we already are
• Most people create debt trying to appear wealthy rather than building actual wealth
• Vacation debt often ruins the experience you were seeking in the first place
• Our "financial thermostat" regulates how much money we allow ourselves to earn and keep
• Four-step process: own your limiting money beliefs, release them, create new empowering beliefs, look for evidence
• Our surroundings reflect who we are—the people around us are mirrors
• Small consistent actions toward your financial goals create massive changes over time
Visit periclesrellis.com or resetyourfinancialthermostat.com to access Pericles' free masterclass on the four keys to resetting your financial thermostat.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured.
I think this will be a subjectthat folks continue to come back
to, but we are sitting with amoney mindset expert, Mr
Pericles Rellis.
Mr Pericles, how are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Josh, I'm doing great .
It is so cool to be with you.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I love it.
Well, I always start the showwith who is Pericles and how
does he spend his time today?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'd love to hear Pericles is a money mindset
expert and I love theconversation of money, I love
sharing it with people, I loveexpanding our understanding of
what our relationship is withmoney and I love the journey
that I'm on around it.
I've been doing this for 25years and when I first started I
thought, wow, this is reallycool, I love this.
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And 25 years later, it'smorphed into more and more.
It's an ever-expandingconversation.
It started as a very black andwhite money and how do we make
more?
And then it became money andwell, what are the dynamics of
it?
And now it's it's morphed intoa spiritual conversation.
It's morphed into an energeticconversation.
It's many, many differentthings and it is just.
(01:17):
I guess it's my passion and myday today has been.
This is my second interviewtoday, so I love just having
these conversations and thenworking with clients all day
long, having conversations witheach and every one of them about
what is their mindset aroundmoney, what is their mindset
around prosperity and growth andwhatever it is that they're
committed to so that they canhave the life of their dreams.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I love it.
One thing that really caught myeye looking at some of your
work you talk about that ourrelationship with money is a
mirror of what our relationshiplooks like with ourselves.
Yeah, talk about that, like youknow.
(02:04):
Obviously, I would love to hear, first of all, when you found
that out, because, like you said, at first it was just how can
we make more money?
But the relationship with moneywhen you do have it, or when
you are, hey, going to workevery day building a business,
whatever the case may be, Iwould love to hear you talk
about that relationship withourselves.
(02:25):
But also, too, how did youstumble upon that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, as I said when we first started talking, this
has been an extraordinaryjourney.
For me.
It's like an onion that justthe layers never end there's
another level, there's anotherlevel, there's another level.
And this whole relationshipwith money being a mirror of our
relationship with ourselves andthe world around us really has
started, I think, in the lastsix months or so, and I've been
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exploring it more and more inthese conversations, and I think
one of the things that Istarted getting present to
earlier on is that as we startto think about money, as we
start to talk about money, thereare thoughts, feelings and
emotions that come upimmediately and suddenly we
start to see oh, I have thislimiting conversation around
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money, or I have this negativeconversation about money, or I
have this opinion about me andmoney, like I'm never going to
be worthy to have that kind ofmoney, or money is the root of
all evil, or you have to workreally hard to have a lot of
money, or it's just notsomething we're ever going to be
able to enjoy, or have.
All of these conversations thenstart to show us how our life
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has been defined.
Now the mirror's up, now we'relooking at ourselves in the
mirror saying, wow, I made thisdecision about my life when I
was very young and my parentsdid the same thing because of
the way their parents related tomoney and so on and so forth.
So we've got these generationalmindsets around money.
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They're based on how we wereraised, who was around us that
was influential, and the more westart to explore this, the more
we see our own life reflectedin that.
And then we take it to the nextlevel and we see how we relate
to other people.
Am I cheap and stingy withmoney, with myself?
Well, all of a sudden I startto see that that's the way I am
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with other people and I relateto the world around me.
Or I have fear around money andI look to see, wow, I operate
inside of fear a lot around mylife and that starts to bring to
the front those conversationswhich we can then deal with and
then create a whole new way ofoperating in our lives.
So that's in one sense of howthat money relationship is a
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reflection of how we relate tothe world and ultimately,
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, I think especially understanding
ourselves and our values reallyhelps with our relationship,
with how we spend our money,what we invest into right, what
do we see as an investment?
What do we see, as you know,spending right.
So I think it's two angles andI love the angle that you took.
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First off is kind of thescarcity mindset.
Right, hey, I might lose this,I might not get it back, I'm
hoarding money, I might not getit back, I'm hoarding money, I
am.
I have a very stingy mindsetaround money.
And then you also have folks whofeel like they aren't worthy of
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actually receiving the amountof money that they actually want
, right, I know there's a studydone where they had the same job
description, where they had thesame job description right,
same exact job description, sameamount of years of experience,
different dollar amount of whatyour salary would be, and most
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folks chose to apply for the jobthat had the lower salary
because that's what they feltlike they were worthy of.
Right, right, right.
How can folks start to get outof that right, start to learn
how to grow their self-worth andtheir relationship with
themselves so that they can kindof unblock kind of that flow of
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money on that end?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's important for us to get quiet and listen to the
negative thoughts that pop intoour head when we start to, for
example, looking for a job andwe're looking through all of the
different options and in thisparticular case, I've got a job
here that's $50,000 a year andan exact same job that's
$100,000 a year.
(06:41):
Yeah, I'm going to go for the50.
Okay, why did I just make thatchoice?
Yeah, right, most of us don'tbring this kind of critical
thinking to our relationship tomoney or our relationship to
making choices in our life.
We just make the choices and wemove forward.
It's important for us to movethings from this automatronic
survival part of our brain intothe frontal cortex, where we're
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actually bringing that criticalthinking, that thought process
to.
Well, why did I just choosewhat I chose?
Why did I make that decisionversus this decision?
Why did I respond or react thisway?
And when we do that, we canthen start to explore who we
truly are and why we make thosedecisions.
Because, just like you said oh,wow, you know what.
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I took the 50,000 because whenI was growing up, I was told
never be greedy, and thatconversation has been running my
show, running my life since Iwas a little kid.
Well, I'm letting go of thatconversation because it's not
being greedy.
It's never being greedy when wesay my time is worth X, because
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I know I make a difference inthe world.
I know that when people workwith me they're going to get the
outcome that they want.
Well, that has a certain valueand there needs to be an
equitable exchange.
There needs to be thatreciprocity.
And owning that you have thatvalue is going to allow you to
move to the next level, andowning that you have that value
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is going to allow you to move tothe next level.
And so when we start to havethose conversations, suddenly
the possibilities open up thatwe never saw before.
And there's anotherconversation that just kind of
as you were sharing, came to me.
It's like a lot of times peoplehave this negative conversation
money is the root of all evil.
They're really worried thatthey're going to be evil.
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Money is a magnifying glass.
Money is not evil.
Money is not good.
It's like a magnifying glass.
It will simply amplify whateverpersonality traits we embrace.
So we all have the propensityto be good or evil in our lives.
I can do things that are cruelor evil, or I can choose to do
things that are good, that makea difference.
I choose that.
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Whatever it is that I choose toembrace, money is simply going
to amplify that.
If we hold a magnifying glassup to something, we don't say,
oh look, what I'm seeing, themagnifying glass is evil.
No, what we're seeing is simplyamplified.
So if we relate to money in thesame way, it's simply going to
amplify who I choose to be.
You never have to worry aboutit, as long as you're true to
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who you really are and who youwant to be in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, 100% I agree, because I mean, you see folks
who are even homeless, right,and they're generous, right, and
they give.
So if they came into a lot ofmoney, I don't think that they
would hoard what they had.
I think they would still begivers, right.
And so you talk about thecharacter of who you are, and if
you are, if you have greatcharacter, you shouldn't have
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fear around having money, right,right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yep, absolutely.
And then there's the otherconversation about Yep,
absolutely.
And then there's the otherconversation about well, I want
money to be happy.
Once I get a certain amount ofmoney, I'll be happy.
Once I get a certain amount ofmoney, I'll have security, I'll
have love, I'll have all ofthose things.
Well, here's the bad news,everyone.
That is not the truth.
Money is not going to provideyou with happiness.
(10:04):
Money is not going to provideyou with joy, with love, with
all of those things.
It just won't.
I've seen, as you just describedwe've we see people who have
very little money, who have acomplete sense of joy, happiness
and fulfillment, and we havepeople with a lot of money who
have none of those things andeverything in between.
It isn't the money thatprovides those things, it's that
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comes from here.
And when we get to that placeof I have enough, I have joy in
my life, I have happiness in mylife, I am fulfilled right now,
right this moment.
Then, when the money does showup, oh my gosh, it's a whole
different conversation.
It's like oh, you know what?
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I used to think I'd need thismoney to buy something, so I'd
feel happy.
But I already feel happy.
So now, what am I going to dowith this money now that it's
here?
We're living in a differentworld.
We're relating to things in adifferent way, and that has us
be a different person.
And I love this from JackNicholson in as Good as it Gets,
when he said you make me wantto be a better man.
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What if we related to money inthat way?
Having money makes me want tobe a better person, makes me
want to be better with money,just like a significant other.
We're in a relationship and westart to treat that person in a
way that, oh my gosh, I wantthis to last forever.
I want you to be honored andcherished whenever you're in my
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presence.
I'm so grateful that you'rewith me.
I will always honor and respectyou.
Well, we don't do that withmoney.
Imagine if we treated oursignificant other the way most
of us treat money.
It's like I want you when Iwant you.
When you're here, I want toshow you off, so I look good to
everybody around me and look howcool I look, that I've got this
great relationship, but whenyou're not here, I'm not
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thinking about you, I'm notconsidering you, I'm not worried
about you.
I expect you to provide me withthings that you can't right.
That relationship wouldn't lastvery long, but we start to map
that onto our relationship tomoney.
The sky's the limit, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I love how you put that.
A lot of folks out there we lookat social media, we look at TV
and we create this vision of, oh, I need that, I need that car,
I need that home.
It wasn't even in my mind,right, and I do think it is a
point of being inspired anddifferent things like that.
(12:26):
But, like you said, having thatquiet time to understand who we
are and know what we want,before you know you'll buy a car
and realize I don't even likethis car and I don't even know
why I even have it Right, a lotof times when we spend money for
validation, that's when we endup understanding it.
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It's a mistake, right Not toafter you spend and then you're
like oh, I don't feel, man.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
What did I just do?
The money's gone, it's gone.
But what you're speaking to,josh, is our reality TV world
that we live in, our socialmedia world that we live in.
You know, we watch reality TVand we think that it's real.
We think that this is how Ishould live my life.
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That's just entertainment.
It is not reality TV.
It is not reality in terms ofhow life is.
And the same thing with socialmedia.
We see people all over socialmedia that they want to look
like they're the player andthey've got all this money and
the jet set life.
And it's like.
I promise you not all of them,but the majority of them do not
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live that life.
They don't have the money toafford that life.
They're in debt.
They're building and growingdebt in order to look like
they're wealthy.
Well, if you're trulyinterested in having wealthy, we
have to let go of what otherpeople think about us, because
in that moment, we're no longergoing to make the choices that
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put us into debt to look like wehave wealth.
We're going to actually makethe choices that are going to
have us actually have wealth,and I don't care what anybody
thinks.
You know what my friends want togo out to an expensive dinner.
Great guys, I can't go.
I don't have the money, so I'mnot going to go.
We would never do that.
We would rather put it on acredit card.
So we look cool, and sometimeswe'll even pay for everybody, so
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we look even cooler.
Meanwhile, all we're thinkingis okay, when am I going to get
to my limit?
Is that credit card going to gothrough?
Please go through.
Please don't get declined.
Minimum payment minimum paymentminimum payment.
Ooh, I got another credit cardoffer.
I'm going to get this creditcard and now we're building
mounds and mounds of debt, andit's for nothing, whereas I'd
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rather you be building moundsand mounds of wealth and not
worried about what other peoplethink, because, at the end of
the day, they're not thinkingabout you.
They really don't care aboutyou.
Our favorite subject isourselves.
We're worried about ourselves,and that's what people think and
think about.
What you think?
When you see somebody who'sdoing that, they're trying to
impress everybody.
What do we think?
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What idiots?
What losers?
Well, that's probably whatthey're thinking about us.
So why losers?
Well, that's probably whatthey're thinking about us.
So why do it right?
Do what you know you want to doto create the kind of wealth
that you want, and don't worryabout what other people think.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, I think that's so huge and that example of us
looking to make other peoplethink that we look cool, look
rich, look like we have it alltogether, just to be at war with
ourselves when we come home andwe are struggling to pay a bill
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because we, you know, we spentmoney on a you know five hundred
dollar dinner.
We're struggling with livingpaycheck to paycheck, because we
want to have the nicestapartment out of our friend
group.
Right, you know, having thenicest car just to appease other
people but make our lives muchstressful.
(15:53):
Right, I know it's a humannature thing.
Right, it's human nature toappease other people and then,
instead of making ourselvesproud, right, but you feel so
much better making yourselfproud of, hey, you know, I have
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an extra $1,500 this month.
That's how much I cash flowthis month.
I feel really good, right?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Imagine how sleep would be.
Imagine what it would be likegoing to bed every night knowing
that your debt is going downand how much you're saving and
your wealth is going up to thepoint where I don't have any
debt at all.
Yeah, I have no debt.
Oh my gosh, what does that looklike?
Right, and then I actually canstart saving to pay cash for
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something when I go buy it.
I don't need to go buy a brandnew car because I'm going to
lose all of that value theminute I drive it off the lot.
I'm willing to go buy a carthat's three years old, still
under warranty, looks great, isa new car for me, and pay cash
for that thing, and I don't loseall that depreciation and I'm
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making a much smarter choice formyself.
I'm not sad and that's what alot of people do when they start
to make more money.
It's a huge mistake.
They start to make more moneyand they're like oh, I had a
good month.
I made $1,500 more this month.
Right, okay, I'm going to goput myself on the hook for an
$800 a month car payment.
Well, the next month, insteadof making that extra $1,500,
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they actually make less thanthat, and now we've got an $800
swing plus the $1,500.
Holy shnikes, what are we goingto do?
And we go into the crisis modeand we start contracting?
We're going to cut, cut.
What are we going to do?
And we go into panic and thenwe start earning even less
because we're panicked, we'relosing sleep.
Our health and wellness goesdown when we live in a world of
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where we're building wealth allthe time rather than going into
debt because we want to lookgood.
Our health gets better, oursleep gets better, our
relationships actually getbetter and we start to live a
life of joy and happiness,rather than scrounging and
scrambling to try to figure outhow I'm going to make all my
payments this month.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, and I think it's so key to always remember,
like you said, first to beconscious about it before you
make that impulse decision,before you do certain things, to
just think about, hey, why am Idoing this, right?
Do I really want to do it?
Will this make me happy withmyself, or am I looking to make
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others happy or just make otherpeople think highly of me?
You know, right, and a lot oftimes people already think
highly of you anyway, right, andthey already have great
thoughts about you anyway.
You didn't have to get the car,you didn't have to get the
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house, right.
It really didn't change much.
Maybe it was like, oh, you know, it's an accomplishment, but
eventually it wears off, andwhether you had the house or not
, the real people who are inyour corner, you didn't have to
do it.
And so I just think it's veryimportant to realize that.
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And then also, too, we do itfor social media as well.
I can speak for my generation.
I know for a fact we thinkabout all the outfits that we
want to put on when we go todinner or when we go to vacation
, just so that we can take picsof it and put it on social media
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and all of our high schoolfriends from 10 years ago and
college friends can see howgreat we're doing now and again.
I understand it's human nature.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's human nature.
But, like you said, that crisismode of the down world spiral
that happens from making otherpeople happy just isn't worth it
.
We get to a place in our lifewhere I need to go on vacation.
I deserve a vacation.
And I'll say to someone I'mworking with okay, great, so how
much have you saved?
Well, I haven't saved anything.
Okay, great.
Well, you actually don'tdeserve a vacation because you
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haven't saved the money to go onvacation.
And well, I'm going anyway.
And they'll put it on a creditcard.
Right, they'll put thisexpensive vacation on a credit
card and then they go off onvacation.
They're so excited they needthis vacation.
Day one of vacation they'redoing whatever they're doing.
They're on a cruise or on thebeach or something like that.
Oh, this is so nice.
Day two they go to pay forbreakfast or go to pay for lunch
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on the credit card and theystart thinking oh okay, how much
limit do I have on this card?
Is this going to go through?
I'm getting pretty close.
And then the rest of thevacation is all about how much
they're spending and how bigthat bill is going to be when
they get back home.
So we've had one day ofvacation and the rest of the day
, stress and anxiety about okay,how am I going to pay this when
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I get home?
Oh, my gosh, this is going tobe really expensive and I have
to figure this all out.
So we then get home and we'vegot this huge credit card bill
which we can't afford to pay.
So we're making a minimumpayment on it.
That's going to last us 10years that we're going to be
paying off that vacation thatdidn't provide us with the
relaxation and the rejuvenationthat we needed because we were
stressed most of the time aboutit.
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Rejuvenation that we neededbecause we were stressed most of
the time about it, whereas,imagine you actually start
thinking ahead and you'reputting money aside every single
paycheck or every single monththat's in your vacation fund and
then you get to a place sixmonths down the line or a year
down the line.
It's like you know what I haveearned this vacation.
I do deserve a vacation.
It's time for me to go onvacation and we look at the
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travel fund and we see how muchmoney's in there.
Well, I have a thousand dollarsin there, or I have 2000, or I
have 5,000, whatever's in there,and that is what you now get to
spend on your vacation.
Now you build your vacationaround what you have, not what
you don't have, and then youtake a credit card and you put
that vacation on that card,knowing full well that I've got
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the money in the bank.
So when I get home I'm going topay it off in full and you go
on that vacation.
You get to enjoy yourself.
You get to not think about orworry about money because you
know it's all going to be paidfor in full because it's sitting
in the bank and you're using acard that gets cashback or
points.
So when you get home and youpay that card off, you're like,
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wow, and I got a 3% bonus or Igot all these points for doing,
which I can then apply to mynext vacation.
Totally different world in whichto live, totally different
place in which to spend.
And then we actually startthinking more carefully about
wow, I've got $2,000 forvacation.
Where do I want to go?
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What do I really want to spendthis money on?
I think I can wait a littlelonger to go on vacation.
I think I want to do that Ourwhole dynamic of thinking about
what we're going to spend thatmoney on when we've got it
sitting in the bank becomesdifferent, because it's
something we actually haveversus something we don't have.
Just throwing it on a creditcard.
Who cares?
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Nuh-uh, I've saved for the lastsix months or however long it's
been.
I've got this $5,000 sitting inmy.
I don't know if I want to spendit on that.
I don't know if that's reallyworth it.
Our thought process becomesdifferent and then our
experience of money in ourselvesshifts completely.
And then when we do spend moneyon something, it's a whole
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different relationship we haveto that thing.
And you know, I look, I love tohave beautiful things around me
and I've spent years collectingthings, but every single one of
them was thought out, everysingle one of them.
There isn't an impulse buy inmy, in my office or in my home.
Every single thing I've thoughtabout do I really want this?
How is it going to improve orenrich in or enliven me?
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When I come into my office andI see her Every day?
I love it.
I sit on calls all day long andI can see her in my camera.
It's so much joy and pleasure,but she isn't the source of my
joy and pleasure.
That comes from here.
But she enriches my life.
She brings something from theoutside in, and that's a choice
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that I couldn't have made if Iwasn't in a place of who I truly
am and knowing what I want inmy life.
In a place of who.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I truly am and knowing what I want in my life.
Yes, you're talking aboutdelayed gratification, delaying
right, yeah, then we delay itRight and really understand that
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when we delay, we think aboutit.
When we earn something, we'vethought about it and we're
conscious about it, we get anopportunity to really enjoy it.
I mean, like I've gone onvacations thinking about, ah man
, when I get back home I'm goingto keep swiping, but I know,
when I get back home I'm just, Iknow I'm putting myself in a
bad position, you know Right.
And then I've had vacationswhere you know, you know I've
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actually saved for it and I feelreally great about it.
You know, I'm not worried, I'mnot thinking about I can really
unplug, thinking about I canreally unplug.
And it's so many examples ofthis that we can give.
Going out to dinner with familyhey, we put money aside for
this Christmas, right, savingmoney, put a debt aside for
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gifts for Christmas, now I canbe as generous as I want to be
with my family.
I'm not being stingy.
So I think one thing youmentioned is obviously not
worrying about what other peoplethink, but also being very
conscious to is it needed?
How is it going to make me feel, and do I really want it?
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Do I really want it?
Or do I want to have this sothat other people can think I'm
doing something?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Right and we look at the world we live in, especially
in the United States.
We have storage unit afterstorage unit after storage unit.
It's just like we're thecountry of storage units, where
we've got so much and it's likewe don't even know the stuff
that we have.
Most people would pray to havea fraction of what most of us
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have, and they live happier,more joyful, more fulfilled
lives than we do.
Right, and what is that allabout?
And you're pointing exactlywhat I'm saying in that when
we've actually saved the money,we've got the money in our hands
.
When we go to spend it onsomething, it is a very
different conversation than whenI'm taking a card and swiping.
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I've earned this money, I'vegot this money in my hand right
now or my bank account orwherever it is, and I need to
really think.
I need to be thoughtful abouthow I'm going to spend this.
It's kind of like sometimespeople are really good at
spending other people's money,but when it's your money you've
got to spend, you start thinkingtwice about it.
No, wait a minute, wait, whoa,whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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When I thought you were paying,it was a different story, but
now I'm paying for it.
I think I need to think moreabout this.
Do I really want this?
And it's the word you're usingis exactly right, because a lot
of us say, oh, I need this, no,you don't need this, you don't
need that, you don't need that,you don't need.
Do I want this in my life andwhat is it going to bring into
my life?
And now I'm very discerningabout it.
(27:35):
I will look at something andsay, oh, I would love to have
that, I would love to have that,but often am I going to
interact with it Not that Ireally don't need it and that
process takes me two minutes andI'm like complete, I don't need
that anymore.
And off I go.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, 100%.
And I think that also helpswith, like you talked about,
scarcity earlier, right, wherepeople are kind of scared to
spend a little bit.
Where people are kind of scaredto spend a little bit, they
hoard money Right, right To thepoint where they don't enjoy
anything, right.
I think that will be helpful aswell, of, hey, we've saved
(28:16):
enough, now let's go enjoy thefruits of our labor.
Talk about that, like you know,the other side of the spectrum
of people who are just hoarding,they just hold and they don't
want to kind of enjoy, right.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is part of what I call the financial thermostat.
We all have this financialthermostat and it regulates how
much money we can earn, how muchmoney we can keep, as well as
our thoughts, feelings andemotions around money.
And so it's one of the reasonsa lot of winners go broke.
70% to 80% of them go brokewithin the first five years.
(28:53):
Their financial thermostat forhow much money they can keep is
only at a certain level.
So they get all this money thatcomes in and all they can do is
that thermostat kicks on, justlike a thermostat in your room.
It gets too hot in the room,boom, the AC goes on.
It's got to bring that roomback down to a certain
temperature.
Same thing with money.
I'm only set for this amount ofmoney.
I have more money than thatcoming in, I just start
(29:15):
disappearing it.
I start spending on things.
I don't even know what I'mspending it on, because I've got
to bring it down to that placewhere it's regulated, where that
thermostat is set.
And the same thing's true forpeople who hoard money.
They, you know, they think,okay, I'm going to spend my
entire life, I'm not going tospend money at all, I'm just
going to hold onto it, hold ontoit, hold on so that when I
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retire I've got all this money.
So they live their whole lifenever really enjoying what money
can bring to them, what theycan do with money to bring that
kind of joy and satisfaction orfun, or whatever it is, into
their life.
Then they retire.
Conversation doesn't change.
It's now well, I'm not workinganymore, so I don't have any new
money coming in, so I have tobe careful about what I spend.
(29:57):
They end up spending theirwhole lives hoarding money and
never getting to enjoy it.
And on the opposite is true aswell.
People spend money, spend money, spend money and disappear it
all the time.
They spend their whole livesdisappearing money and in the
hamster wheel.
I've got to keep working tomake more money because I keep
disappearing the money.
So at some point we have tofind that balance of you know
what, I can earn money, I cansave money and I can enjoy some
(30:22):
of my money as well.
So that look, we may get hit bya bus tomorrow, god forbid.
We can get hit by a bustomorrow.
We're saving all this money forsomeday maybe.
Or I can live my life fullyenjoying it right now while
planning for the future,whatever that looks like for
each individual person it maylook different for you than it
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does for me, than for someoneelse Find what that is for you,
find that sweet spot and thenenjoy life, because there's no
point in living life if you'renot going to enjoy it.
We're on this journey forhowever long we're on it, and
people like to think about thedestination, but the bottom line
is we're on the journey waylonger than we're at the
destination.
I don't care if you're aprofessional athlete.
(31:04):
You go to the Super Bowl.
The Super Bowl lasts one day,yeah, but you're spending the
whole season and then thepreseason, prepping for, on the
journey to get to the season,and then this game and that game
and this game and that game theSuper Bowl is icing on the cake
.
We're going to spend howeverlong an hour, two hours, five
hours at the Super Bowl, andthen what happens?
(31:27):
I'm going to Disneyland andthen I got next season and we're
going to start it all overagain.
So you're going to be on thejourney far longer than you are
at the destination.
That's human nature.
We hit the destination.
You're like what's next?
What am I going to do next?
What's my next goal.
So enjoy the process, enjoy thejourney, every moment of it,
and then watch what happens withyour life.
Life will be very, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, kind of letting go.
Right yeah, because it's a fineline of letting go, but also
being conscious of how you spendas well.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And trusting yourself to do what is right by you, not
for someone else or not becauseI want to look good, but like I
trust myself to make the smartdecisions.
Because my life is all aboutcreating wealth, and wealth
isn't just money.
Wealth is having love in mylife.
(32:22):
Love is having joy in my life.
It's having happiness andfulfillment.
It's that sense of enough.
I have enough in my life rightnow.
I have enough in my life.
Does that mean I'm not going toearn anymore?
No, I have goals and I havethings that I'm committed to,
but I have a sense of enoughright now, which gives me that
freedom to take the chances, totake the risks to do the things
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that I love, to do the things Iwant to do, freed up from oh my
God.
I got to get enough.
I got to get enough.
I got to make more.
I got to make more.
I don't deal with that anymore,and that's what I want people
to experience, because when welive there, ooh, it's a whole
different experience.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, I love that, first of all, that you said that
I am enough.
That's the second time you saidthat and I think that's very
important, because I think a lotof folks feel like they have to
spend more money because theythem themselves aren't enough,
right, right.
And then a lot of folks feellike they need to hold all this
(33:21):
cash because it's like I'm notenough.
I need to to hold on, right,right, all this cash because
it's like I'm not enough.
I need to to hold on Right,right.
And so it's that fine line ofof just understanding hey, you
know, I am enough.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yep, I am enough and I have enough.
To be able to say I have enoughis terrifying, because people
are afraid Well, does that meanthat's all I'm ever going to
have?
No, that's not all you're goingto ever have.
Can you truly surrender to?
I have enough right now?
There are people that go to bedevery single night praying to
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have what you and I have.
What you and I have is likebeing a billionaire in their
world.
It is something they woulddream to have in their lives.
And when we can really getclear about that, like, wow, you
know what?
I really do have enough, I canhave that freedom around.
I have enough.
And then it opens up the worldfor us to create.
(34:19):
Well, what is next for us insideof having enough, inside of
being enough, it's kind of likebeing in a relationship.
Again, going back to thatanalogy of our relationship, if
I know in my relationship thatI'm enough, I'm good enough, I'm
(34:40):
worthy, I'm enough, that freesme up not to be arrogant and
cocky and a jerk, but it freesme up to know I don't have to
operate inside of fear in myrelationship, I don't have to
operate inside of worry.
Inside of my relationship Ijust can explore and how do I
make this better every day.
It's.
I'm enough right now.
It's enough right now, but Iwant to take it to the next
level.
Still, there are whole newconversations we get to create
(35:00):
and have with ourselves, withour significant others and with
the people around us inside of.
I am enough and I have enough.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, and I think these are obviously very
embedded beliefs.
Like you said, first beingconscious of beliefs and
thoughts that we have and thenwhere they came from right, a
lot of times, it's not even ourown thoughts, right?
It's not even our own belief,um it was here Right, yes, so um
(35:31):
, how have you helped folksrewire those beliefs that they
have?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Josh, this is great.
You're now taking us to thenext level of clearing those
blocks, as I call them, in thatflow of money, or clearing those
negative money mindsets or anymindset that's negative or
disempowering.
You nailed step number one.
I have a four-step process.
Step number one is bringingthat conscious awareness to it,
(36:03):
owning it, and I'll use, let'ssay, for example, money is the
root of all evil.
This is a great one.
People very, very common intoday's cultures it's like
money's the root of all evil.
If you've got a lot of money,you're a bad person, or you got
it somehow in an evil way orsomething like that.
So money is the root of allevil.
Okay, I can own that.
That's my conversation has beenfor as long as it's been.
You don't necessarily need toknow where it came from or when
(36:26):
it happened.
If you do, that's great, but ifnot, you don't have to worry
about it, it's irrelevant.
People spend their entire livesin therapy trying to figure out
why they are the way they are.
And I'm not disparaging therapy.
It's great If you, if it worksfor you, do it right.
But if, at the end of years andyears of therapy, you say I
know why I am the way, why I amthe way I am, and I say great,
(36:47):
did that make a difference?
No, I'm still that way, but nowI know why I am that way.
That's irrelevant to me.
I want us to have the outcome,which is on another path, having
a different mindset, havingdifferent actions that we can
take, having different thoughtsabout ourselves.
So step number one I own that.
That's my conversation.
We're not giving an agreement,we're just owning.
That's been my conversation.
(37:08):
It's kind of like saying you'reacknowledging I'm an alcoholic
or I'm an addict or whateverthat is.
I'm owning that.
That's what it is.
Second step is letting it go.
Can you now let it go?
And how we let it go is we haveto say it out loud I release
that conversation.
I release that money is theroot of all evil into the care
(37:30):
of God, the universe.
I don't care who it is yourelease it to, but something
outside of yourself you'reletting it go.
Handing it over to them to nowtake care of and be the steward
of it is no longer welcome in myworld.
It's no longer welcome in myspace.
And what's odd is this is thehardest step for most people,
because we're so used to thatold conversation.
(37:53):
It's almost like cutting an armoff, like no, but that's my
whole life.
I've been that way my wholelife.
That's why I don't have money.
I'm the victim of that.
I'm the you know.
That's who I am.
It's our identity.
So if you find that you'rehaving trouble saying it, it's
okay For anyone who's listening.
If you find it, oh my gosh, Ican't even articulate the words.
(38:15):
It's so part of who I am, it'sokay.
Keep working on it.
Keep working on it until youcan finally say it and then just
keep saying it.
Keep saying it until you get asense of relief or release, like
oh, wow, I can actually feel alittle bit of space.
It's moving away.
That's when you take step numberthree and that's where you
create from nothing.
(38:37):
What is it you want yourrelationship with money to be in
that moment?
For me it's money flows to meeasily and abundantly every
single day.
It's a short, concise statement.
It is not a Tolstoy novel.
I don't want you writing like50 million.
No, you've lost the purpose ofthis.
(38:58):
It's very clear and concise One, two, three, four words or a
sentence, very short sentence.
Money flows to me easily andabundantly every single day.
And then you want to feel it.
You want to feel it in yourheart.
You want to feel how that feelsMoney flowing to you easily and
abundantly every single day.
Now, that's mine.
You can take it, you can createyour own, whatever it is for
(39:19):
you, but you feel it and youfeel it and you feel it.
And then you write it down andthen you put it everywhere.
You have it on your nightstand.
So when you get up in themorning, you start your day
feeling that On your computer,you sit down to work.
There it is.
Oh, money flows to me easilyand abundantly every single day.
Down to work.
There it is.
Oh, money flows to me easilyand abundantly every single day.
(39:43):
And then you the fourth step is,you go out into the world and
you watch for it manifesting.
And I will talk to people allthe time and they'll say, oh, I
want money.
Great, we'll create moneycoming into your life every day.
Every day, money's coming toyour life.
And I'll talk to them again.
I'll say, okay, where's money?
Nope, I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
Like, really, you didn't seemoney anywhere in your life.
You didn't see money on theground.
Oh well, yeah, I saw money onthe ground, but I'm not picking
that up.
It was a penny.
(40:04):
I don't pick up pennies.
Well, going back to therelationship analogy, if you're
a significant walks into theroom and, oh, I love them so
much, oh, wouldn't, I don't wantanything to do with it, why do
you think they're going to feel?
If you can't love eachindividual part, how can you
possibly think you're going tolove the entire package?
A penny, take a hundred ofthose.
(40:26):
You got a dollar.
A hundred of those, you got ahundred dollar bill.
Right, you have to love theentire thing and you have to be
looking for money flowing intoyour life easily and abundantly,
in every way, every opportunity.
Look, one year I found almost$800 in found money Just going
through my life $800.
(40:46):
I put it in a special jar Ihave at the house.
Every day I was looking,finding money.
Now there were times when I sawmoney when I either couldn't get
to it, it was out of reach, itwas in a urinal one time.
I'm not touching that, right,I'm not going to do that.
Another time it was in traffic.
It's too dangerous, but I stillacknowledged it.
Thank you for showing me thatmoney flows to me easily and
(41:09):
abundantly every single day.
Thank you for showing me thatit's everywhere and I'm going to
pass on this one.
Yeah, and I'm going to pass onthis one.
Having a conversation withsomebody who's starting a new
business and whoa, that was anew opportunity that I never
thought about.
Maybe I should have aconversation.
Have the conversation Doesn'tmean I need to say yes to them.
Doesn't mean I need to jumpinto every opportunity, but I
(41:31):
can explore it, I can be open toit, I could be looking for it
and then acknowledging thank youagain for showing me that
opportunities for money flowinginto my life show up everywhere
I go.
That acknowledgement has moreand more of that show up in your
life.
And then when you start to livethat life versus whatever other
(41:51):
life you've been living, andyou look back a week or a month
or a year from now, suddenlyyou're going to realize whoa,
money is everywhere in my life,not just in my bank account, not
just in my paycheck, but it'severywhere.
Then life is going to be verydifferent.
You're going to be living thatlife versus the life you were
living before.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, I love it the fact that you said putting
yourself, you let it go.
You create a new thought, yes,new way of thinking, right.
Yes, like you said, it mightfeel a little awkward at first,
it might be a little bit.
You might say it and it.
You don't believe it.
But the more you say it and themore you actually put yourself
(42:34):
in the space, right.
I think a lot of times wemanifest but we don't actually
put ourself in the space right,so that those thoughts can
actually change.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Correct, and there are two parts to that.
That, I think, is the reasonmany people fail with
manifestation.
They think, oh my gosh, I'vedone all the YouTube videos,
I've done all the trainings andI can't manifest anything.
What's going on?
Why is it not working for me?
Or visualization, or meditation, or any of those things?
There are two reasons.
First and foremost is that stepnumber one and step number two
(43:12):
We've got this negative mindsetand we are now planting seeds on
top of it.
Well, that negative mindset isgoing to poison any seeds that
we plant on top of it.
We need to get rid of, let goof.
First, acknowledge that it'sthere.
Oh, there it is, it's rightthere.
There's that negative, there'sthat poison.
Now I'm letting that poison go,I'm getting rid of it.
(43:34):
Now we can create thatmanifestation, we can create
that visualization in abeautifully fertile space that
will allow it to nurture, allowit to grow.
And then the second part of thatis yes, you need to feel it.
You know people I watch peopledo this all the time.
It's on YouTube and on TikTok,and I said just say this over
(43:57):
and over again, you'll haveeverything you need.
And they're just ranting aboutnothing and they're just like
reciting or gurgitating words.
You may be able to get somesemblance of an outcome from
something like that, but it maytake a lot longer.
If you start to feel it rightnow literally feel it right now
(44:20):
you have now accomplished whatit is you wanted money for in
the first place.
I want money.
Look, why do we want money?
We want to be happy.
Well, what if you felt happyright now without the money,
before the money ever came?
You felt happy right now.
Imagine how much easier it isfor money to find its way to you
, and then imagine how muchbetter it will be when to find
its way to you.
And then imagine how muchbetter it will be when the money
does show up.
(44:40):
You're already happy.
You have what you wanted themoney for before you ever had
the money.
So now, when the money shows up, you're thinking what do I want
this money for?
Now it's a whole differentconversation, and so those two
things are so important as we'relooking at manifesting or
meditating or visualizing,whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, 100%.
Usually, when you live in thatway, it's usually better than
what you ever imagined, right?
Yep, absolutely.
One last thing I want to justlet it go, let an old belief go,
(45:21):
let an old thought go, and Ilove the visual that you gave of
actually putting seeds oversoil.
That is negative, right, tryingto put positive seeds on it.
Letting go, and I know you said, hey, giving it up to God,
giving it up to the universe.
How does somebody practice thatRight?
(45:45):
Do they practice it every day,right?
Yes, yes, is it a?
As soon as they they get thethought and they become
conscious of it, they let it goRight, and then eventually, over
time, um, yes, something that'snew.
What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
yeah, it is.
It's, it is a process.
So you do this four-stepprocess.
Money is the root of all evil.
We hear that, we'll hear it.
Some of you may be hearing itright now.
Yeah, money's the root of allevil.
That that little voice sittingyou know.
Oh, you'll never have it.
You're not smart enough, you'renot educated.
You're not smart enough, you'renot educated enough, you're not
pretty enough, you're nothandsome enough.
Whatever will never happen foryou, whatever, that negative
(46:23):
little thought is that voice inour head.
Right, that's what we'reworking on.
So we've got two different wayswe're approaching this from a
brain science perspective andfrom an energetic perspective.
Brain science is we've gotthese neural pathways.
When we were little kids,somebody said money's the root
of all evil.
Boom, new neural pathway gotcreated and we kept thinking
(46:46):
that over years and years andyears, sometimes decades.
The more we think about it, themore those neural pathways fire
and wire together, the strongerthey become.
Well, when we take these foursteps number one and number two
we're breaking that neuralpathway, we're stopping it from
getting stronger every singleday.
And now we're creating a newneural pathway with that new way
of relating to money.
(47:07):
And then we're out looking forit.
We're reinforcing that newneural pathway.
Well, that old neural pathwayis still there, so we're going
to still hear that oldconversation, but it'll get
quieter and quieter and it'llget less frequent and less
frequent.
And the more we focus on thisnew conversation around money,
this new neural pathway, thestronger it will become and the
(47:27):
more powerful it will become andeventually it'll become the
dominant conversation.
And then, on an energetic level, it's the same thing.
We're now vibrating at adifferent energetic frequency.
We've shifted from that money'sthe root of all evil
vibrational frequency to moneyflows to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
Vibrational frequency, that oldvibrational frequency will keep
(47:48):
showing up, but we keep lettingit go and letting it go and
letting it go and then embracingthis new vibrational frequency.
So this becomes the predominantvibrational frequency that
we're operating at every singleday.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I love it.
Where can folks find you?
Where can folks get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I go off on these tangents sometimes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I just like you get me going.
I'm just like you know, that is, um, you, you broke it down and
um, that is you broke it down.
And I think, for folks thatdefinitely struggle with
thoughts that are limitingthoughts and limiting beliefs
(48:29):
right, yep, and not even justwith money, right, but just in
life.
Right, yep, with money, right,but just in life, right the
ability to own the thought ofwhat I believe about myself.
Right now, let it go andcontinue to let it go over time.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes, yes.
And one other thing I'll add tothat, Josh, because I can hear
somebody just.
I can hear it out there like no,I got to fight.
I keep fighting with it.
I keep fighting with it.
It just keeps showing up and Ikeep fighting with it.
I keep fighting with it.
It just keeps showing up and Ikeep fighting with it.
Don't fight with it.
We can't beat that part of ourbrain.
It's this, it's the, it's themost primitive part of our brain
that is kicking up that oldnegative conversation.
(49:08):
It is the part of our brainthat will literally make you go
unconscious if you get into afight with it.
You cannot win in a battle withthat part of our brain.
It's the part of our brain thatruns respiration, circulation.
It regulates all of our bodilyfunctions.
It will win.
Don't get into a fight with it.
(49:30):
That's why I say justacknowledge it and own it.
Oh, there it is, I can own it.
That's mine.
Now I'm going to let it go.
I'm going to release it intothe universe, into the care of
God.
I'm not giving it any ill willat all.
I'm just releasing thatconversation.
That way I'm not getting intoany fight.
It's like somebody that comesup to you and says, yeah,
pericles, you're a jerk.
Okay, I got that.
(49:53):
I'm not fighting with them atall.
I'm not adding any mass to it.
I'm not adding any additionalpower to it.
I just got it.
There's nothing to fight there.
There's no resistance there.
Don't resist it, don't fight it.
Let it go, continue to let itgo and then embrace the new
conversation.
Feel the new conversation, ownthat.
That's who you are now, becausethat's what you said.
(50:14):
You created that oldconversation back when you were,
however, old.
Now you're going to create anew conversation.
You had the power to start it.
You now have the power to endit and create a new conversation
.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, and not taking those thoughts seriously.
Just not taking those, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Don't beat yourself up over it.
Oh my gosh, you should hear thethings that go through my head.
You know it's crazy.
I don't give it any thought, itjust happens Like let it go and
move on.
That's all I do.
Let it go and move on.
I know who I am.
I know what.
We are not defined by thethoughts that we have.
We are defined by the thoughtsthat we focus on and the actions
(50:54):
that we choose to take based onthe thoughts that we focus on
and the words that then come outof our mouth, based on the
actions that we choose to takebased on the thoughts that we
focus on and the words that thencome out of our mouth based on
the thoughts that we focus on.
So don't worry about the randomthoughts that pop up.
They're just random thoughts.
Focus on the thoughts that youwant to focus on.
It's the old proverb of thestudent goes to the master and
(51:16):
says master, I have two tigersin my head, one of them's evil
and one of them's kind.
And the master says well, whichone are you going to feed?
Which thoughts are you going tofeed?
The ones that you choose tofeed will thrive and will grow.
The ones you don't feed willstarve, just starve.
Don't focus on starving it,just focus on feeding the one
(51:36):
you want to feed.
The tiger you feed will thrive.
The thoughts you focus on willthrive, and they will then give
you your words and your actions.
And your words and your actionsare the things that are going
to define you, because those arethe things we can see.
There are people who go tochurch or go to temple or go
wherever they go on Sundays, andthen they're jerks all week
long.
(51:56):
Those people are not looked atand thought of as, oh aren't
they great.
They go to church and said no,they're jerks, they treat people
horribly.
And then there are people thatgo to church, and then they
treat people really well allweek long.
Or they don't go to church orthey don't go to temple, and
they're so nice, they're so kind.
That's how we're defined in theworld and that's all that
matters at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, 100%.
And then also, too right, youtalk about the thoughts that we
focus on and what we give energyto.
What we give energy to andputting action behind those
thoughts, that we put energyinto right Because it can go
both ways, yes, absolutely Bothways and focusing on the
thoughts that we want and takingaction behind those thoughts.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, and we can actually train our minds to
focus on the things we choose tofocus on, and those random,
crazy thoughts that sometimesseem to dominate our mind will
start to diminish as we trainour minds.
This is what meditation is allabout, and I'm not saying you
have to meditate.
Meditation doesn't work foreverybody.
(53:08):
Find the thing that works foryou.
There is no one answer that'sright for everyone.
There's only the answer that'sright for you right now.
Find the thing that's right foryou right now and start to
train your mind to focus on thethings that make you feel good.
Focus on the things that youwant in your life, and then take
actions and speak consistentwith those thoughts, with those
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feelings, because you can befocusing on.
I want to have a joyful life, Iwant to have a joyful life.
I want to have a joyful life, Iwant to have a joyful life.
But then you go and you hangout with your friends.
Oh God, this sucks and thatsucks and this sucks and that
sucks.
Well, your language is nowdefining who you are in the
world.
Don't have those words comingout of your mouth.
Stop gossiping, stop tearingthings down, stop having those
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negative conversations.
Start having positiveconversations, start elevating
people around you, startelevating yourself and see how
your life will transform in avery short period of time.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, I don't think people realize that.
I don't think people realizethat how you treat others and
how you feel about others andthe thoughts that you have and
how you engage in the world,that's another mirror.
We got all these mirrors money,relationships with other people
, Yep, Almost you know you canstart to view everything as a
(54:26):
mirror and how you can grow andget better internally, Right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yes, because at the end of the day, there's nothing
else out there but us.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
If I look at the people around me, it's a
reflection of who I am.
If the people around me arecruel and evil and petty and
shallow, that's a reflection ofwho I am.
If the people around me areloving and caring and
magnanimous and committed tomaking the world a better place,
leaving the world a betterplace, being successful in their
life, that's a reflection ofwho I am.
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So look at the people you havearound you and it will tell you
everything you need to knowabout you, and then you can
start.
We can't change the peoplearound us, but we can change the
people around us, meaning wecan't make them change who they
are.
But if they're unwilling tostep up in this new conversation
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, I may need to look at who Iwant around me.
Right, I'm putting newboundaries.
We're going to physicallychange the people around us.
I'm not going to ask them orexpect them to change because,
look, they're with me, because Iasked them to be in my life.
Now I'm creating a new life formyself.
If it's inconsistent with whatthey're committed to, I can't
expect them to change.
(55:38):
I'm not going to judge that.
They can go, do whatever theywant, but it no longer has space
in my world and they may selectthemselves out and I will then
replace them with someone who isconsistent with who I am now in
my life.
Yeah, yeah, and that's tough,it's not easy.
Yeah, and that's tough, it'snot easy, yeah, especially when
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it's family.
Especially when it's family andyou start to look at oh my gosh
, I've got an abusive parent,I've got an abusive sibling,
I've got an abusive cousin, andevery time I go interact with
them, they abuse me's not onthem, that's on you, that's on
me.
I need to be responsible forthat.
When am I going to put theboundary and says you know what?
(56:20):
No, nobody treats me like that.
You have every right to liveyour life the way you want.
You have no right to treat methat way.
So my request is that you treatme with respect and with
dignity and I will always do thesame for you.
And if they don't honor that,then we need to look at
separating our disengaging fromthat relationship.
(56:41):
Oh, but it's my parent.
You get to make the choice.
You can be in an abusiverelationship because they're
your parent or you can choose tonot be in an abusive
relationship.
It's really the choice you getto make, but don't complain
about it If you stay in thatrelationship and they continue
to make but don't complain aboutit If you stay in that
relationship and they continueto abuse you, don't complain
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about it.
You've made the choice to bethere.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, and like you said before, it's these.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
A lot of folks that you're around can continue to
instill these old beliefs intoyou, right, it's the reason why
they were in your life to beginwith Exactly yeah, you were both
in the same conversation, soyou attracted them into your
life because, I don't know, youlike gossip, you like being
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shallow, you like whatever, sothose people gravitate to you.
Well, now you're changing whoyou are.
You're going to repel thepeople that can't change and
you're going to attract newpeople, and you have to be okay
with that, yeah, or else you'regoing to just stay in the same
situation.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, you have to be okay with it and it's a
challenge.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, you have to be okay with it.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
It's challenging because you don't under.
You don't know what's next.
Right, it's uncertain.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
And so, in the people you're familiar with Exactly,
and you've sometimes been, maybeknown, for many, many years,
all of a sudden it's like, oh mygosh, they may not be a friend
anymore, they may not be in thesame conversation that I'm
creating for myself.
What am I going to do?
Let them go.
You're going to love them andlet them go and let them go on
their journey, on their path,while you continue down your
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path.
It is not requisite that peopleneed to stay with you during
your entire journey.
So many people come into yourlife, they make this massive
impact and then they go on theirway and that's why they came
into your life to make themassive impact that they made.
And then you get to oh wow, gooff on your life.
Now they're going to go off anddo what they're going to do.
Right, we don't need to be withpeople for the rest of our lives
(58:42):
.
Sometimes we can, sometimes wecan't, but it isn't about oh,
I've known them forever and Ineed to keep them with me.
No, you don't Stay with thepeople.
Attract the people in your lifethat elevate you, that take you
to the level you want to be,that holds you to account for
being who you want to be.
That's what I do.
My best friend, stu, will callme out on anything If I'm oh
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Pericles, what did you just say?
Dude, that is not you at all,what?
And he's calling me out andkeeping me in check, just like
I'm calling him out and keepinghim in check.
That's why we have each otherin our lives is so that we can
make sure we're honoring who weare at all times.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
I love it, pericles, first of all, so much value.
Right, and I don't think here'smy thing is that a lot of
people look for financial advice.
A lot of people look forfinancial advice not realizing
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that a lot of thoughts and howmost folks think about money,
but also to how it can easetheir mind if they're just
conscious of their thoughts.
Right, and you just added a tonof value.
You've added a ton of value, sowe appreciate you.
You've added a ton of value,thank you.
So we appreciate you.
Where can folks find you?
(01:00:18):
Where can folks continue tohear your wise words?
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Well, they can go to two places.
They can go topericlesrelliscom or they can go
toresetyourfinancialthermostatcom.
They both go to the same place,periclesrelliscom.
And right there on the mainpage is a link to my free
masterclass and where I sharethe four keys to resetting your
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financial thermostat so that youcan create that better
relationship with yourself andthe world around you.
So that's where people can findout more about me.
They can take whatever stepsthat they want to take, and if
that isn't for you, whoever'slistening?
Find the thing that is for you,find the thing that speaks to
you and pull it towards you.
As I said before, there is noone right answer for everyone.
(01:01:07):
There's only the right answerfor you and right now, find what
that thing is, explore it, diveinto it.
Don't be afraid to have acouple of misfires.
I thought that was it, it's not.
I thought that was it, it's not.
Oh, this is the thing that'sfor me.
That's what's important is thatyou're getting the value that
you want.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, 100%.
So many times I think peoplejust sit idle and one of the
things that I love you mentionedis just take some action.
Take some action.
Don't just sit, think, manifestand meditate.
Do those things, but then putaction behind it, and that's
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where the real growth andchanges happen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yes, and even the smallest action over time can
make a massive difference.
If we're in a plane at theequator to circumnavigate the
globe, if we're off even justone degree, one tiny degree, by
the time we get around the otherside of the globe we're going
to be thousands of miles off ofour destination.
And one small action everysingle day to the benefit of
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what it is you're committed towill make a massive difference
at the end of a week, at the endof a month, at the end of a
year.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, 100%.
Well, mr Pericles, weappreciate you.
Like I said, this is adifferent angle that folks
aren't.
It's different than Dave Ramsey, right?
So the technical, you can go tohim for the tactical stuff, and
I'm sure you do that as well,but the beginning stages, the
mindset, the foundation, it'sbeen laid.
(01:02:43):
So we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Josh, thank you for having me on.
It's been my pleasure.
100 percent.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I love it.
Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured.
I think this will be a subjectthat folks continue to come back
to, but we are sitting with amoney mindset expert, Mr
Pericles Rellis.
Mr Pericles, how are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Josh, I'm doing great .
It is so cool to be with you.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I love it.
Well, I always start the showwith who is Pericles and how
does he spend his time today?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'd love to hear Pericles is a money mindset
expert and I love theconversation of money, I love
sharing it with people, I loveexpanding our understanding of
what our relationship is withmoney and I love the journey
that I'm on around it.
I've been doing this for 25years and when I first started I
thought, wow, this is reallycool, I love this.
(00:53):
And 25 years later, it'smorphed into more and more.
It's an ever-expandingconversation.
It started as a very black andwhite money and how do we make
more?
And then it became money andwell, what are the dynamics of
it?
And now it's it's morphed intoa spiritual conversation.
It's morphed into an energeticconversation.
It's many, many differentthings and it is just.
(01:17):
I guess it's my passion and myday today has been.
This is my second interviewtoday, so I love just having
these conversations and thenworking with clients all day
long, having conversations witheach and every one of them about
what is their mindset aroundmoney, what is their mindset
around prosperity and growth andwhatever it is that they're
committed to so that they canhave the life of their dreams.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I love it.
One thing that really caught myeye looking at some of your
work you talk about that ourrelationship with money is a
mirror of what our relationshiplooks like with ourselves.
Yeah, talk about that, like youknow.
(02:04):
Obviously, I would love to hear, first of all, when you found
that out, because, like you said, at first it was just how can
we make more money?
But the relationship with moneywhen you do have it, or when
you are, hey, going to workevery day building a business,
whatever the case may be, Iwould love to hear you talk
about that relationship withourselves.
(02:25):
But also, too, how did youstumble upon that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, as I said when we first started talking, this
has been an extraordinaryjourney.
For me.
It's like an onion that justthe layers never end there's
another level, there's anotherlevel, there's another level.
And this whole relationshipwith money being a mirror of our
relationship with ourselves andthe world around us really has
started, I think, in the lastsix months or so, and I've been
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exploring it more and more inthese conversations, and I think
one of the things that Istarted getting present to
earlier on is that as we startto think about money, as we
start to talk about money, thereare thoughts, feelings and
emotions that come upimmediately and suddenly we
start to see oh, I have thislimiting conversation around
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money, or I have this negativeconversation about money, or I
have this opinion about me andmoney, like I'm never going to
be worthy to have that kind ofmoney, or money is the root of
all evil, or you have to workreally hard to have a lot of
money, or it's just notsomething we're ever going to be
able to enjoy, or have.
All of these conversations thenstart to show us how our life
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has been defined.
Now the mirror's up, now we'relooking at ourselves in the
mirror saying, wow, I made thisdecision about my life when I
was very young and my parentsdid the same thing because of
the way their parents related tomoney and so on and so forth.
So we've got these generationalmindsets around money.
(03:59):
They're based on how we wereraised, who was around us that
was influential, and the more westart to explore this, the more
we see our own life reflectedin that.
And then we take it to the nextlevel and we see how we relate
to other people.
Am I cheap and stingy withmoney, with myself?
Well, all of a sudden I startto see that that's the way I am
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with other people and I relateto the world around me.
Or I have fear around money andI look to see, wow, I operate
inside of fear a lot around mylife and that starts to bring to
the front those conversationswhich we can then deal with and
then create a whole new way ofoperating in our lives.
So that's in one sense of howthat money relationship is a
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reflection of how we relate tothe world and ultimately,
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, I think especially understanding
ourselves and our values reallyhelps with our relationship,
with how we spend our money,what we invest into right, what
do we see as an investment?
What do we see, as you know,spending right.
So I think it's two angles andI love the angle that you took.
(05:12):
First off is kind of thescarcity mindset.
Right, hey, I might lose this,I might not get it back, I'm
hoarding money, I might not getit back, I'm hoarding money, I
am.
I have a very stingy mindsetaround money.
And then you also have folks whofeel like they aren't worthy of
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actually receiving the amountof money that they actually want
, right, I know there's a studydone where they had the same job
description, where they had thesame job description right,
same exact job description, sameamount of years of experience,
different dollar amount of whatyour salary would be, and most
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folks chose to apply for the jobthat had the lower salary
because that's what they feltlike they were worthy of.
Right, right, right.
How can folks start to get outof that right, start to learn
how to grow their self-worth andtheir relationship with
themselves so that they can kindof unblock kind of that flow of
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money on that end?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's important for us to get quiet and listen to the
negative thoughts that pop intoour head when we start to, for
example, looking for a job andwe're looking through all of the
different options and in thisparticular case, I've got a job
here that's $50,000 a year andan exact same job that's
$100,000 a year.
(06:41):
Yeah, I'm going to go for the50.
Okay, why did I just make thatchoice?
Yeah, right, most of us don'tbring this kind of critical
thinking to our relationship tomoney or our relationship to
making choices in our life.
We just make the choices and wemove forward.
It's important for us to movethings from this automatronic
survival part of our brain intothe frontal cortex, where we're
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actually bringing that criticalthinking, that thought process
to.
Well, why did I just choosewhat I chose?
Why did I make that decisionversus this decision?
Why did I respond or react thisway?
And when we do that, we canthen start to explore who we
truly are and why we make thosedecisions.
Because, just like you said oh,wow, you know what.
(07:24):
I took the 50,000 because whenI was growing up, I was told
never be greedy, and thatconversation has been running my
show, running my life since Iwas a little kid.
Well, I'm letting go of thatconversation because it's not
being greedy.
It's never being greedy when wesay my time is worth X, because
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I know I make a difference inthe world.
I know that when people workwith me they're going to get the
outcome that they want.
Well, that has a certain valueand there needs to be an
equitable exchange.
There needs to be thatreciprocity.
And owning that you have thatvalue is going to allow you to
move to the next level, andowning that you have that value
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is going to allow you to move tothe next level.
And so when we start to havethose conversations, suddenly
the possibilities open up thatwe never saw before.
And there's anotherconversation that just kind of
as you were sharing, came to me.
It's like a lot of times peoplehave this negative conversation
money is the root of all evil.
They're really worried thatthey're going to be evil.
(08:28):
Money is a magnifying glass.
Money is not evil.
Money is not good.
It's like a magnifying glass.
It will simply amplify whateverpersonality traits we embrace.
So we all have the propensityto be good or evil in our lives.
I can do things that are cruelor evil, or I can choose to do
things that are good, that makea difference.
I choose that.
(08:48):
Whatever it is that I choose toembrace, money is simply going
to amplify that.
If we hold a magnifying glassup to something, we don't say,
oh look, what I'm seeing, themagnifying glass is evil.
No, what we're seeing is simplyamplified.
So if we relate to money in thesame way, it's simply going to
amplify who I choose to be.
You never have to worry aboutit, as long as you're true to
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who you really are and who youwant to be in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, 100% I agree, because I mean, you see folks
who are even homeless, right,and they're generous, right, and
they give.
So if they came into a lot ofmoney, I don't think that they
would hoard what they had.
I think they would still begivers, right.
And so you talk about thecharacter of who you are, and if
you are, if you have greatcharacter, you shouldn't have
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fear around having money, right,right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yep, absolutely.
And then there's the otherconversation about Yep,
absolutely.
And then there's the otherconversation about well, I want
money to be happy.
Once I get a certain amount ofmoney, I'll be happy.
Once I get a certain amount ofmoney, I'll have security, I'll
have love, I'll have all ofthose things.
Well, here's the bad news,everyone.
That is not the truth.
Money is not going to provideyou with happiness.
(10:04):
Money is not going to provideyou with joy, with love, with
all of those things.
It just won't.
I've seen, as you just describedwe've we see people who have
very little money, who have acomplete sense of joy, happiness
and fulfillment, and we havepeople with a lot of money who
have none of those things andeverything in between.
It isn't the money thatprovides those things, it's that
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comes from here.
And when we get to that placeof I have enough, I have joy in
my life, I have happiness in mylife, I am fulfilled right now,
right this moment.
Then, when the money does showup, oh my gosh, it's a whole
different conversation.
It's like oh, you know what?
(10:44):
I used to think I'd need thismoney to buy something, so I'd
feel happy.
But I already feel happy.
So now, what am I going to dowith this money now that it's
here?
We're living in a differentworld.
We're relating to things in adifferent way, and that has us
be a different person.
And I love this from JackNicholson in as Good as it Gets,
when he said you make me wantto be a better man.
(11:05):
What if we related to money inthat way?
Having money makes me want tobe a better person, makes me
want to be better with money,just like a significant other.
We're in a relationship and westart to treat that person in a
way that, oh my gosh, I wantthis to last forever.
I want you to be honored andcherished whenever you're in my
(11:26):
presence.
I'm so grateful that you'rewith me.
I will always honor and respectyou.
Well, we don't do that withmoney.
Imagine if we treated oursignificant other the way most
of us treat money.
It's like I want you when Iwant you.
When you're here, I want toshow you off, so I look good to
everybody around me and look howcool I look, that I've got this
great relationship, but whenyou're not here, I'm not
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thinking about you, I'm notconsidering you, I'm not worried
about you.
I expect you to provide me withthings that you can't right.
That relationship wouldn't lastvery long, but we start to map
that onto our relationship tomoney.
The sky's the limit, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I love how you put that.
A lot of folks out there we lookat social media, we look at TV
and we create this vision of, oh, I need that, I need that car,
I need that home.
It wasn't even in my mind,right, and I do think it is a
point of being inspired anddifferent things like that.
(12:26):
But, like you said, having thatquiet time to understand who we
are and know what we want,before you know you'll buy a car
and realize I don't even likethis car and I don't even know
why I even have it Right, a lotof times when we spend money for
validation, that's when we endup understanding it.
(12:46):
It's a mistake, right Not toafter you spend and then you're
like oh, I don't feel, man.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
What did I just do?
The money's gone, it's gone.
But what you're speaking to,josh, is our reality TV world
that we live in, our socialmedia world that we live in.
You know, we watch reality TVand we think that it's real.
We think that this is how Ishould live my life.
(13:12):
That's just entertainment.
It is not reality TV.
It is not reality in terms ofhow life is.
And the same thing with socialmedia.
We see people all over socialmedia that they want to look
like they're the player andthey've got all this money and
the jet set life.
And it's like.
I promise you not all of them,but the majority of them do not
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live that life.
They don't have the money toafford that life.
They're in debt.
They're building and growingdebt in order to look like
they're wealthy.
Well, if you're trulyinterested in having wealthy, we
have to let go of what otherpeople think about us, because
in that moment, we're no longergoing to make the choices that
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put us into debt to look like wehave wealth.
We're going to actually makethe choices that are going to
have us actually have wealth,and I don't care what anybody
thinks.
You know what my friends want togo out to an expensive dinner.
Great guys, I can't go.
I don't have the money, so I'mnot going to go.
We would never do that.
We would rather put it on acredit card.
So we look cool, and sometimeswe'll even pay for everybody, so
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we look even cooler.
Meanwhile, all we're thinkingis okay, when am I going to get
to my limit?
Is that credit card going to gothrough?
Please go through.
Please don't get declined.
Minimum payment minimum paymentminimum payment.
Ooh, I got another credit cardoffer.
I'm going to get this creditcard and now we're building
mounds and mounds of debt, andit's for nothing, whereas I'd
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rather you be building moundsand mounds of wealth and not
worried about what other peoplethink, because, at the end of
the day, they're not thinkingabout you.
They really don't care aboutyou.
Our favorite subject isourselves.
We're worried about ourselves,and that's what people think and
think about.
What you think?
When you see somebody who'sdoing that, they're trying to
impress everybody.
What do we think?
(14:58):
What idiots?
What losers?
Well, that's probably whatthey're thinking about us.
So why losers?
Well, that's probably whatthey're thinking about us.
So why do it right?
Do what you know you want to doto create the kind of wealth
that you want, and don't worryabout what other people think.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, I think that's so huge and that example of us
looking to make other peoplethink that we look cool, look
rich, look like we have it alltogether, just to be at war with
ourselves when we come home andwe are struggling to pay a bill
(15:32):
because we, you know, we spentmoney on a you know five hundred
dollar dinner.
We're struggling with livingpaycheck to paycheck, because we
want to have the nicestapartment out of our friend
group.
Right, you know, having thenicest car just to appease other
people but make our lives muchstressful.
(15:53):
Right, I know it's a humannature thing.
Right, it's human nature toappease other people and then,
instead of making ourselvesproud, right, but you feel so
much better making yourselfproud of, hey, you know, I have
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an extra $1,500 this month.
That's how much I cash flowthis month.
I feel really good, right?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Imagine how sleep would be.
Imagine what it would be likegoing to bed every night knowing
that your debt is going downand how much you're saving and
your wealth is going up to thepoint where I don't have any
debt at all.
Yeah, I have no debt.
Oh my gosh, what does that looklike?
Right, and then I actually canstart saving to pay cash for
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something when I go buy it.
I don't need to go buy a brandnew car because I'm going to
lose all of that value theminute I drive it off the lot.
I'm willing to go buy a carthat's three years old, still
under warranty, looks great, isa new car for me, and pay cash
for that thing, and I don't loseall that depreciation and I'm
(17:04):
making a much smarter choice formyself.
I'm not sad and that's what alot of people do when they start
to make more money.
It's a huge mistake.
They start to make more moneyand they're like oh, I had a
good month.
I made $1,500 more this month.
Right, okay, I'm going to goput myself on the hook for an
$800 a month car payment.
Well, the next month, insteadof making that extra $1,500,
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they actually make less thanthat, and now we've got an $800
swing plus the $1,500.
Holy shnikes, what are we goingto do?
And we go into the crisis modeand we start contracting?
We're going to cut, cut.
What are we going to do?
And we go into panic and thenwe start earning even less
because we're panicked, we'relosing sleep.
Our health and wellness goesdown when we live in a world of
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where we're building wealth allthe time rather than going into
debt because we want to lookgood.
Our health gets better, oursleep gets better, our
relationships actually getbetter and we start to live a
life of joy and happiness,rather than scrounging and
scrambling to try to figure outhow I'm going to make all my
payments this month.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, and I think it's so key to always remember,
like you said, first to beconscious about it before you
make that impulse decision,before you do certain things, to
just think about, hey, why am Idoing this, right?
Do I really want to do it?
Will this make me happy withmyself, or am I looking to make
(18:28):
others happy or just make otherpeople think highly of me?
You know, right, and a lot oftimes people already think
highly of you anyway, right, andthey already have great
thoughts about you anyway.
You didn't have to get the car,you didn't have to get the
(18:50):
house, right.
It really didn't change much.
Maybe it was like, oh, you know, it's an accomplishment, but
eventually it wears off, andwhether you had the house or not
, the real people who are inyour corner, you didn't have to
do it.
And so I just think it's veryimportant to realize that.
(19:10):
And then also, too, we do itfor social media as well.
I can speak for my generation.
I know for a fact we thinkabout all the outfits that we
want to put on when we go todinner or when we go to vacation
, just so that we can take picsof it and put it on social media
(19:32):
and all of our high schoolfriends from 10 years ago and
college friends can see howgreat we're doing now and again.
I understand it's human nature.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's human nature.
But, like you said, that crisismode of the down world spiral
that happens from making otherpeople happy just isn't worth it
.
We get to a place in our lifewhere I need to go on vacation.
I deserve a vacation.
And I'll say to someone I'mworking with okay, great, so how
much have you saved?
Well, I haven't saved anything.
Okay, great.
Well, you actually don'tdeserve a vacation because you
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haven't saved the money to go onvacation.
And well, I'm going anyway.
And they'll put it on a creditcard.
Right, they'll put thisexpensive vacation on a credit
card and then they go off onvacation.
They're so excited they needthis vacation.
Day one of vacation they'redoing whatever they're doing.
They're on a cruise or on thebeach or something like that.
Oh, this is so nice.
Day two they go to pay forbreakfast or go to pay for lunch
(20:40):
on the credit card and theystart thinking oh okay, how much
limit do I have on this card?
Is this going to go through?
I'm getting pretty close.
And then the rest of thevacation is all about how much
they're spending and how bigthat bill is going to be when
they get back home.
So we've had one day ofvacation and the rest of the day
, stress and anxiety about okay,how am I going to pay this when
(21:03):
I get home?
Oh, my gosh, this is going tobe really expensive and I have
to figure this all out.
So we then get home and we'vegot this huge credit card bill
which we can't afford to pay.
So we're making a minimumpayment on it.
That's going to last us 10years that we're going to be
paying off that vacation thatdidn't provide us with the
relaxation and the rejuvenationthat we needed because we were
stressed most of the time aboutit.
(21:24):
Rejuvenation that we neededbecause we were stressed most of
the time about it, whereas,imagine you actually start
thinking ahead and you'reputting money aside every single
paycheck or every single monththat's in your vacation fund and
then you get to a place sixmonths down the line or a year
down the line.
It's like you know what I haveearned this vacation.
I do deserve a vacation.
It's time for me to go onvacation and we look at the
(21:46):
travel fund and we see how muchmoney's in there.
Well, I have a thousand dollarsin there, or I have 2000, or I
have 5,000, whatever's in there,and that is what you now get to
spend on your vacation.
Now you build your vacationaround what you have, not what
you don't have, and then youtake a credit card and you put
that vacation on that card,knowing full well that I've got
(22:08):
the money in the bank.
So when I get home I'm going topay it off in full and you go
on that vacation.
You get to enjoy yourself.
You get to not think about orworry about money because you
know it's all going to be paidfor in full because it's sitting
in the bank and you're using acard that gets cashback or
points.
So when you get home and youpay that card off, you're like,
(22:28):
wow, and I got a 3% bonus or Igot all these points for doing,
which I can then apply to mynext vacation.
Totally different world in whichto live, totally different
place in which to spend.
And then we actually startthinking more carefully about
wow, I've got $2,000 forvacation.
Where do I want to go?
(22:49):
What do I really want to spendthis money on?
I think I can wait a littlelonger to go on vacation.
I think I want to do that Ourwhole dynamic of thinking about
what we're going to spend thatmoney on when we've got it
sitting in the bank becomesdifferent, because it's
something we actually haveversus something we don't have.
Just throwing it on a creditcard.
Who cares?
(23:09):
Nuh-uh, I've saved for the lastsix months or however long it's
been.
I've got this $5,000 sitting inmy.
I don't know if I want to spendit on that.
I don't know if that's reallyworth it.
Our thought process becomesdifferent and then our
experience of money in ourselvesshifts completely.
And then when we do spend moneyon something, it's a whole
(23:31):
different relationship we haveto that thing.
And you know, I look, I love tohave beautiful things around me
and I've spent years collectingthings, but every single one of
them was thought out, everysingle one of them.
There isn't an impulse buy inmy, in my office or in my home.
Every single thing I've thoughtabout do I really want this?
How is it going to improve orenrich in or enliven me?
(23:56):
When I come into my office andI see her Every day?
I love it.
I sit on calls all day long andI can see her in my camera.
It's so much joy and pleasure,but she isn't the source of my
joy and pleasure.
That comes from here.
But she enriches my life.
She brings something from theoutside in, and that's a choice
(24:19):
that I couldn't have made if Iwasn't in a place of who I truly
am and knowing what I want inmy life.
In a place of who.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I truly am and knowing what I want in my life.
Yes, you're talking aboutdelayed gratification, delaying
right, yeah, then we delay itRight and really understand that
(24:50):
when we delay, we think aboutit.
When we earn something, we'vethought about it and we're
conscious about it, we get anopportunity to really enjoy it.
I mean, like I've gone onvacations thinking about, ah man
, when I get back home I'm goingto keep swiping, but I know,
when I get back home I'm just, Iknow I'm putting myself in a
bad position, you know Right.
And then I've had vacationswhere you know, you know I've
(25:15):
actually saved for it and I feelreally great about it.
You know, I'm not worried, I'mnot thinking about I can really
unplug, thinking about I canreally unplug.
And it's so many examples ofthis that we can give.
Going out to dinner with familyhey, we put money aside for
this Christmas, right, savingmoney, put a debt aside for
(25:37):
gifts for Christmas, now I canbe as generous as I want to be
with my family.
I'm not being stingy.
So I think one thing youmentioned is obviously not
worrying about what other peoplethink, but also being very
conscious to is it needed?
How is it going to make me feel, and do I really want it?
(25:58):
Do I really want it?
Or do I want to have this sothat other people can think I'm
doing something?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Right and we look at the world we live in, especially
in the United States.
We have storage unit afterstorage unit after storage unit.
It's just like we're thecountry of storage units, where
we've got so much and it's likewe don't even know the stuff
that we have.
Most people would pray to havea fraction of what most of us
(26:29):
have, and they live happier,more joyful, more fulfilled
lives than we do.
Right, and what is that allabout?
And you're pointing exactlywhat I'm saying in that when
we've actually saved the money,we've got the money in our hands
.
When we go to spend it onsomething, it is a very
different conversation than whenI'm taking a card and swiping.
(26:52):
I've earned this money, I'vegot this money in my hand right
now or my bank account orwherever it is, and I need to
really think.
I need to be thoughtful abouthow I'm going to spend this.
It's kind of like sometimespeople are really good at
spending other people's money,but when it's your money you've
got to spend, you start thinkingtwice about it.
No, wait a minute, wait, whoa,whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
(27:14):
When I thought you were paying,it was a different story, but
now I'm paying for it.
I think I need to think moreabout this.
Do I really want this?
And it's the word you're usingis exactly right, because a lot
of us say, oh, I need this, no,you don't need this, you don't
need that, you don't need that,you don't need.
Do I want this in my life andwhat is it going to bring into
my life?
And now I'm very discerningabout it.
(27:35):
I will look at something andsay, oh, I would love to have
that, I would love to have that,but often am I going to
interact with it Not that Ireally don't need it and that
process takes me two minutes andI'm like complete, I don't need
that anymore.
And off I go.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, 100%.
And I think that also helpswith, like you talked about,
scarcity earlier, right, wherepeople are kind of scared to
spend a little bit.
Where people are kind of scaredto spend a little bit, they
hoard money Right, right To thepoint where they don't enjoy
anything, right.
I think that will be helpful aswell, of, hey, we've saved
(28:16):
enough, now let's go enjoy thefruits of our labor.
Talk about that, like you know,the other side of the spectrum
of people who are just hoarding,they just hold and they don't
want to kind of enjoy, right.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
This is part of what I call the financial thermostat.
We all have this financialthermostat and it regulates how
much money we can earn, how muchmoney we can keep, as well as
our thoughts, feelings andemotions around money.
And so it's one of the reasonsa lot of winners go broke.
70% to 80% of them go brokewithin the first five years.
(28:53):
Their financial thermostat forhow much money they can keep is
only at a certain level.
So they get all this money thatcomes in and all they can do is
that thermostat kicks on, justlike a thermostat in your room.
It gets too hot in the room,boom, the AC goes on.
It's got to bring that roomback down to a certain
temperature.
Same thing with money.
I'm only set for this amount ofmoney.
I have more money than thatcoming in, I just start
(29:15):
disappearing it.
I start spending on things.
I don't even know what I'mspending it on, because I've got
to bring it down to that placewhere it's regulated, where that
thermostat is set.
And the same thing's true forpeople who hoard money.
They, you know, they think,okay, I'm going to spend my
entire life, I'm not going tospend money at all, I'm just
going to hold onto it, hold ontoit, hold on so that when I
(29:35):
retire I've got all this money.
So they live their whole lifenever really enjoying what money
can bring to them, what theycan do with money to bring that
kind of joy and satisfaction orfun, or whatever it is, into
their life.
Then they retire.
Conversation doesn't change.
It's now well, I'm not workinganymore, so I don't have any new
money coming in, so I have tobe careful about what I spend.
(29:57):
They end up spending theirwhole lives hoarding money and
never getting to enjoy it.
And on the opposite is true aswell.
People spend money, spend money, spend money and disappear it
all the time.
They spend their whole livesdisappearing money and in the
hamster wheel.
I've got to keep working tomake more money because I keep
disappearing the money.
So at some point we have tofind that balance of you know
what, I can earn money, I cansave money and I can enjoy some
(30:22):
of my money as well.
So that look, we may get hit bya bus tomorrow, god forbid.
We can get hit by a bustomorrow.
We're saving all this money forsomeday maybe.
Or I can live my life fullyenjoying it right now while
planning for the future,whatever that looks like for
each individual person it maylook different for you than it
(30:42):
does for me, than for someoneelse Find what that is for you,
find that sweet spot and thenenjoy life, because there's no
point in living life if you'renot going to enjoy it.
We're on this journey forhowever long we're on it, and
people like to think about thedestination, but the bottom line
is we're on the journey waylonger than we're at the
destination.
I don't care if you're aprofessional athlete.
(31:04):
You go to the Super Bowl.
The Super Bowl lasts one day,yeah, but you're spending the
whole season and then thepreseason, prepping for, on the
journey to get to the season,and then this game and that game
and this game and that game theSuper Bowl is icing on the cake
.
We're going to spend howeverlong an hour, two hours, five
hours at the Super Bowl, andthen what happens?
(31:27):
I'm going to Disneyland andthen I got next season and we're
going to start it all overagain.
So you're going to be on thejourney far longer than you are
at the destination.
That's human nature.
We hit the destination.
You're like what's next?
What am I going to do next?
What's my next goal.
So enjoy the process, enjoy thejourney, every moment of it,
and then watch what happens withyour life.
Life will be very, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, kind of letting go.
Right yeah, because it's a fineline of letting go, but also
being conscious of how you spendas well.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And trusting yourself to do what is right by you, not
for someone else or not becauseI want to look good, but like I
trust myself to make the smartdecisions.
Because my life is all aboutcreating wealth, and wealth
isn't just money.
Wealth is having love in mylife.
(32:22):
Love is having joy in my life.
It's having happiness andfulfillment.
It's that sense of enough.
I have enough in my life rightnow.
I have enough in my life.
Does that mean I'm not going toearn anymore?
No, I have goals and I havethings that I'm committed to,
but I have a sense of enoughright now, which gives me that
freedom to take the chances, totake the risks to do the things
(32:43):
that I love, to do the things Iwant to do, freed up from oh my
God.
I got to get enough.
I got to get enough.
I got to make more.
I got to make more.
I don't deal with that anymore,and that's what I want people
to experience, because when welive there, ooh, it's a whole
different experience.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, I love that, first of all, that you said that
I am enough.
That's the second time you saidthat and I think that's very
important, because I think a lotof folks feel like they have to
spend more money because theythem themselves aren't enough,
right, right.
And then a lot of folks feellike they need to hold all this
(33:21):
cash because it's like I'm notenough.
I need to to hold on, right,right, all this cash because
it's like I'm not enough.
I need to to hold on Right,right.
And so it's that fine line ofof just understanding hey, you
know, I am enough.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yep, I am enough and I have enough.
To be able to say I have enoughis terrifying, because people
are afraid Well, does that meanthat's all I'm ever going to
have?
No, that's not all you're goingto ever have.
Can you truly surrender to?
I have enough right now?
There are people that go to bedevery single night praying to
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have what you and I have.
What you and I have is likebeing a billionaire in their
world.
It is something they woulddream to have in their lives.
And when we can really getclear about that, like, wow, you
know what?
I really do have enough, I canhave that freedom around.
I have enough.
And then it opens up the worldfor us to create.
(34:19):
Well, what is next for us insideof having enough, inside of
being enough, it's kind of likebeing in a relationship.
Again, going back to thatanalogy of our relationship, if
I know in my relationship thatI'm enough, I'm good enough, I'm
(34:40):
worthy, I'm enough, that freesme up not to be arrogant and
cocky and a jerk, but it freesme up to know I don't have to
operate inside of fear in myrelationship, I don't have to
operate inside of worry.
Inside of my relationship Ijust can explore and how do I
make this better every day.
It's.
I'm enough right now.
It's enough right now, but Iwant to take it to the next
level.
Still, there are whole newconversations we get to create
(35:00):
and have with ourselves, withour significant others and with
the people around us inside of.
I am enough and I have enough.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, and I think these are obviously very
embedded beliefs.
Like you said, first beingconscious of beliefs and
thoughts that we have and thenwhere they came from right, a
lot of times, it's not even ourown thoughts, right?
It's not even our own belief,um it was here Right, yes, so um
(35:31):
, how have you helped folksrewire those beliefs that they
have?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Josh, this is great.
You're now taking us to thenext level of clearing those
blocks, as I call them, in thatflow of money, or clearing those
negative money mindsets or anymindset that's negative or
disempowering.
You nailed step number one.
I have a four-step process.
Step number one is bringingthat conscious awareness to it,
(36:03):
owning it, and I'll use, let'ssay, for example, money is the
root of all evil.
This is a great one.
People very, very common intoday's cultures it's like
money's the root of all evil.
If you've got a lot of money,you're a bad person, or you got
it somehow in an evil way orsomething like that.
So money is the root of allevil.
Okay, I can own that.
That's my conversation has beenfor as long as it's been.
You don't necessarily need toknow where it came from or when
(36:26):
it happened.
If you do, that's great, but ifnot, you don't have to worry
about it, it's irrelevant.
People spend their entire livesin therapy trying to figure out
why they are the way they are.
And I'm not disparaging therapy.
It's great If you, if it worksfor you, do it right.
But if, at the end of years andyears of therapy, you say I
know why I am the way, why I amthe way I am, and I say great,
(36:47):
did that make a difference?
No, I'm still that way, but nowI know why I am that way.
That's irrelevant to me.
I want us to have the outcome,which is on another path, having
a different mindset, havingdifferent actions that we can
take, having different thoughtsabout ourselves.
So step number one I own that.
That's my conversation.
We're not giving an agreement,we're just owning.
That's been my conversation.
(37:08):
It's kind of like saying you'reacknowledging I'm an alcoholic
or I'm an addict or whateverthat is.
I'm owning that.
That's what it is.
Second step is letting it go.
Can you now let it go?
And how we let it go is we haveto say it out loud I release
that conversation.
I release that money is theroot of all evil into the care
(37:30):
of God, the universe.
I don't care who it is yourelease it to, but something
outside of yourself you'reletting it go.
Handing it over to them to nowtake care of and be the steward
of it is no longer welcome in myworld.
It's no longer welcome in myspace.
And what's odd is this is thehardest step for most people,
because we're so used to thatold conversation.
(37:53):
It's almost like cutting an armoff, like no, but that's my
whole life.
I've been that way my wholelife.
That's why I don't have money.
I'm the victim of that.
I'm the you know.
That's who I am.
It's our identity.
So if you find that you'rehaving trouble saying it, it's
okay For anyone who's listening.
If you find it, oh my gosh, Ican't even articulate the words.
(38:15):
It's so part of who I am, it'sokay.
Keep working on it.
Keep working on it until youcan finally say it and then just
keep saying it.
Keep saying it until you get asense of relief or release, like
oh, wow, I can actually feel alittle bit of space.
It's moving away.
That's when you take step numberthree and that's where you
create from nothing.
(38:37):
What is it you want yourrelationship with money to be in
that moment?
For me it's money flows to meeasily and abundantly every
single day.
It's a short, concise statement.
It is not a Tolstoy novel.
I don't want you writing like50 million.
No, you've lost the purpose ofthis.
(38:58):
It's very clear and concise One, two, three, four words or a
sentence, very short sentence.
Money flows to me easily andabundantly every single day.
And then you want to feel it.
You want to feel it in yourheart.
You want to feel how that feelsMoney flowing to you easily and
abundantly every single day.
Now, that's mine.
You can take it, you can createyour own, whatever it is for
(39:19):
you, but you feel it and youfeel it and you feel it.
And then you write it down andthen you put it everywhere.
You have it on your nightstand.
So when you get up in themorning, you start your day
feeling that On your computer,you sit down to work.
There it is.
Oh, money flows to me easilyand abundantly every single day.
Down to work.
There it is.
Oh, money flows to me easilyand abundantly every single day.
(39:43):
And then you the fourth step is,you go out into the world and
you watch for it manifesting.
And I will talk to people allthe time and they'll say, oh, I
want money.
Great, we'll create moneycoming into your life every day.
Every day, money's coming toyour life.
And I'll talk to them again.
I'll say, okay, where's money?
Nope, I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
Like, really, you didn't seemoney anywhere in your life.
You didn't see money on theground.
Oh well, yeah, I saw money onthe ground, but I'm not picking
that up.
It was a penny.
(40:04):
I don't pick up pennies.
Well, going back to therelationship analogy, if you're
a significant walks into theroom and, oh, I love them so
much, oh, wouldn't, I don't wantanything to do with it, why do
you think they're going to feel?
If you can't love eachindividual part, how can you
possibly think you're going tolove the entire package?
A penny, take a hundred ofthose.
(40:26):
You got a dollar.
A hundred of those, you got ahundred dollar bill.
Right, you have to love theentire thing and you have to be
looking for money flowing intoyour life easily and abundantly,
in every way, every opportunity.
Look, one year I found almost$800 in found money Just going
through my life $800.
(40:46):
I put it in a special jar Ihave at the house.
Every day I was looking,finding money.
Now there were times when I sawmoney when I either couldn't get
to it, it was out of reach, itwas in a urinal one time.
I'm not touching that, right,I'm not going to do that.
Another time it was in traffic.
It's too dangerous, but I stillacknowledged it.
Thank you for showing me thatmoney flows to me easily and
(41:09):
abundantly every single day.
Thank you for showing me thatit's everywhere and I'm going to
pass on this one.
Yeah, and I'm going to pass onthis one.
Having a conversation withsomebody who's starting a new
business and whoa, that was anew opportunity that I never
thought about.
Maybe I should have aconversation.
Have the conversation Doesn'tmean I need to say yes to them.
Doesn't mean I need to jumpinto every opportunity, but I
(41:31):
can explore it, I can be open toit, I could be looking for it
and then acknowledging thank youagain for showing me that
opportunities for money flowinginto my life show up everywhere
I go.
That acknowledgement has moreand more of that show up in your
life.
And then when you start to livethat life versus whatever other
(41:51):
life you've been living, andyou look back a week or a month
or a year from now, suddenlyyou're going to realize whoa,
money is everywhere in my life,not just in my bank account, not
just in my paycheck, but it'severywhere.
Then life is going to be verydifferent.
You're going to be living thatlife versus the life you were
living before.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, I love it the fact that you said putting
yourself, you let it go.
You create a new thought, yes,new way of thinking, right.
Yes, like you said, it mightfeel a little awkward at first,
it might be a little bit.
You might say it and it.
You don't believe it.
But the more you say it and themore you actually put yourself
(42:34):
in the space, right.
I think a lot of times wemanifest but we don't actually
put ourself in the space right,so that those thoughts can
actually change.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Correct, and there are two parts to that.
That, I think, is the reasonmany people fail with
manifestation.
They think, oh my gosh, I'vedone all the YouTube videos,
I've done all the trainings andI can't manifest anything.
What's going on?
Why is it not working for me?
Or visualization, or meditation, or any of those things?
There are two reasons.
First and foremost is that stepnumber one and step number two
(43:12):
We've got this negative mindsetand we are now planting seeds on
top of it.
Well, that negative mindset isgoing to poison any seeds that
we plant on top of it.
We need to get rid of, let goof.
First, acknowledge that it'sthere.
Oh, there it is, it's rightthere.
There's that negative, there'sthat poison.
Now I'm letting that poison go,I'm getting rid of it.
(43:34):
Now we can create thatmanifestation, we can create
that visualization in abeautifully fertile space that
will allow it to nurture, allowit to grow.
And then the second part of thatis yes, you need to feel it.
You know people I watch peopledo this all the time.
It's on YouTube and on TikTok,and I said just say this over
(43:57):
and over again, you'll haveeverything you need.
And they're just ranting aboutnothing and they're just like
reciting or gurgitating words.
You may be able to get somesemblance of an outcome from
something like that, but it maytake a lot longer.
If you start to feel it rightnow literally feel it right now
(44:20):
you have now accomplished whatit is you wanted money for in
the first place.
I want money.
Look, why do we want money?
We want to be happy.
Well, what if you felt happyright now without the money,
before the money ever came?
You felt happy right now.
Imagine how much easier it isfor money to find its way to you
, and then imagine how muchbetter it will be when to find
its way to you.
And then imagine how muchbetter it will be when the money
does show up.
(44:40):
You're already happy.
You have what you wanted themoney for before you ever had
the money.
So now, when the money shows up, you're thinking what do I want
this money for?
Now it's a whole differentconversation, and so those two
things are so important as we'relooking at manifesting or
meditating or visualizing,whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, 100%.
Usually, when you live in thatway, it's usually better than
what you ever imagined, right?
Yep, absolutely.
One last thing I want to justlet it go, let an old belief go,
(45:21):
let an old thought go, and Ilove the visual that you gave of
actually putting seeds oversoil.
That is negative, right, tryingto put positive seeds on it.
Letting go, and I know you said, hey, giving it up to God,
giving it up to the universe.
How does somebody practice thatRight?
(45:45):
Do they practice it every day,right?
Yes, yes, is it a?
As soon as they they get thethought and they become
conscious of it, they let it goRight, and then eventually, over
time, um, yes, something that'snew.
What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
yeah, it is.
It's, it is a process.
So you do this four-stepprocess.
Money is the root of all evil.
We hear that, we'll hear it.
Some of you may be hearing itright now.
Yeah, money's the root of allevil.
That that little voice sittingyou know.
Oh, you'll never have it.
You're not smart enough, you'renot educated.
You're not smart enough, you'renot educated enough, you're not
pretty enough, you're nothandsome enough.
Whatever will never happen foryou, whatever, that negative
(46:23):
little thought is that voice inour head.
Right, that's what we'reworking on.
So we've got two different wayswe're approaching this from a
brain science perspective andfrom an energetic perspective.
Brain science is we've gotthese neural pathways.
When we were little kids,somebody said money's the root
of all evil.
Boom, new neural pathway gotcreated and we kept thinking
(46:46):
that over years and years andyears, sometimes decades.
The more we think about it, themore those neural pathways fire
and wire together, the strongerthey become.
Well, when we take these foursteps number one and number two
we're breaking that neuralpathway, we're stopping it from
getting stronger every singleday.
And now we're creating a newneural pathway with that new way
of relating to money.
(47:07):
And then we're out looking forit.
We're reinforcing that newneural pathway.
Well, that old neural pathwayis still there, so we're going
to still hear that oldconversation, but it'll get
quieter and quieter and it'llget less frequent and less
frequent.
And the more we focus on thisnew conversation around money,
this new neural pathway, thestronger it will become and the
(47:27):
more powerful it will become andeventually it'll become the
dominant conversation.
And then, on an energetic level, it's the same thing.
We're now vibrating at adifferent energetic frequency.
We've shifted from that money'sthe root of all evil
vibrational frequency to moneyflows to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
Vibrational frequency, that oldvibrational frequency will keep
(47:48):
showing up, but we keep lettingit go and letting it go and
letting it go and then embracingthis new vibrational frequency.
So this becomes the predominantvibrational frequency that
we're operating at every singleday.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I love it.
Where can folks find you?
Where can folks get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I go off on these tangents sometimes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I just like you get me going.
I'm just like you know, that is, um, you, you broke it down and
um, that is you broke it down.
And I think, for folks thatdefinitely struggle with
thoughts that are limitingthoughts and limiting beliefs
(48:29):
right, yep, and not even justwith money, right, but just in
life.
Right, yep, with money, right,but just in life, right the
ability to own the thought ofwhat I believe about myself.
Right now, let it go andcontinue to let it go over time.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes, yes.
And one other thing I'll add tothat, Josh, because I can hear
somebody just.
I can hear it out there like no,I got to fight.
I keep fighting with it.
I keep fighting with it.
It just keeps showing up and Ikeep fighting with it.
I keep fighting with it.
It just keeps showing up and Ikeep fighting with it.
Don't fight with it.
We can't beat that part of ourbrain.
It's this, it's the, it's themost primitive part of our brain
that is kicking up that oldnegative conversation.
(49:08):
It is the part of our brainthat will literally make you go
unconscious if you get into afight with it.
You cannot win in a battle withthat part of our brain.
It's the part of our brain thatruns respiration, circulation.
It regulates all of our bodilyfunctions.
It will win.
Don't get into a fight with it.
(49:30):
That's why I say justacknowledge it and own it.
Oh, there it is, I can own it.
That's mine.
Now I'm going to let it go.
I'm going to release it intothe universe, into the care of
God.
I'm not giving it any ill willat all.
I'm just releasing thatconversation.
That way I'm not getting intoany fight.
It's like somebody that comesup to you and says, yeah,
pericles, you're a jerk.
Okay, I got that.
(49:53):
I'm not fighting with them atall.
I'm not adding any mass to it.
I'm not adding any additionalpower to it.
I just got it.
There's nothing to fight there.
There's no resistance there.
Don't resist it, don't fight it.
Let it go, continue to let itgo and then embrace the new
conversation.
Feel the new conversation, ownthat.
That's who you are now, becausethat's what you said.
(50:14):
You created that oldconversation back when you were,
however, old.
Now you're going to create anew conversation.
You had the power to start it.
You now have the power to endit and create a new conversation
.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, and not taking those thoughts seriously.
Just not taking those, yes.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Don't beat yourself up over it.
Oh my gosh, you should hear thethings that go through my head.
You know it's crazy.
I don't give it any thought, itjust happens Like let it go and
move on.
That's all I do.
Let it go and move on.
I know who I am.
I know what.
We are not defined by thethoughts that we have.
We are defined by the thoughtsthat we focus on and the actions
(50:54):
that we choose to take based onthe thoughts that we focus on
and the words that then come outof our mouth, based on the
actions that we choose to takebased on the thoughts that we
focus on and the words that thencome out of our mouth based on
the thoughts that we focus on.
So don't worry about the randomthoughts that pop up.
They're just random thoughts.
Focus on the thoughts that youwant to focus on.
It's the old proverb of thestudent goes to the master and
(51:16):
says master, I have two tigersin my head, one of them's evil
and one of them's kind.
And the master says well, whichone are you going to feed?
Which thoughts are you going tofeed?
The ones that you choose tofeed will thrive and will grow.
The ones you don't feed willstarve, just starve.
Don't focus on starving it,just focus on feeding the one
(51:36):
you want to feed.
The tiger you feed will thrive.
The thoughts you focus on willthrive, and they will then give
you your words and your actions.
And your words and your actionsare the things that are going
to define you, because those arethe things we can see.
There are people who go tochurch or go to temple or go
wherever they go on Sundays, andthen they're jerks all week
long.
(51:56):
Those people are not looked atand thought of as, oh aren't
they great.
They go to church and said no,they're jerks, they treat people
horribly.
And then there are people thatgo to church, and then they
treat people really well allweek long.
Or they don't go to church orthey don't go to temple, and
they're so nice, they're so kind.
That's how we're defined in theworld and that's all that
matters at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, 100%.
And then also, too right, youtalk about the thoughts that we
focus on and what we give energyto.
What we give energy to andputting action behind those
thoughts, that we put energyinto right Because it can go
both ways, yes, absolutely Bothways and focusing on the
thoughts that we want and takingaction behind those thoughts.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, and we can actually train our minds to
focus on the things we choose tofocus on, and those random,
crazy thoughts that sometimesseem to dominate our mind will
start to diminish as we trainour minds.
This is what meditation is allabout, and I'm not saying you
have to meditate.
Meditation doesn't work foreverybody.
(53:08):
Find the thing that works foryou.
There is no one answer that'sright for everyone.
There's only the answer that'sright for you right now.
Find the thing that's right foryou right now and start to
train your mind to focus on thethings that make you feel good.
Focus on the things that youwant in your life, and then take
actions and speak consistentwith those thoughts, with those
(53:31):
feelings, because you can befocusing on.
I want to have a joyful life, Iwant to have a joyful life.
I want to have a joyful life, Iwant to have a joyful life.
But then you go and you hangout with your friends.
Oh God, this sucks and thatsucks and this sucks and that
sucks.
Well, your language is nowdefining who you are in the
world.
Don't have those words comingout of your mouth.
Stop gossiping, stop tearingthings down, stop having those
(53:53):
negative conversations.
Start having positiveconversations, start elevating
people around you, startelevating yourself and see how
your life will transform in avery short period of time.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, I don't think people realize that.
I don't think people realizethat how you treat others and
how you feel about others andthe thoughts that you have and
how you engage in the world,that's another mirror.
We got all these mirrors money,relationships with other people
, Yep, Almost you know you canstart to view everything as a
(54:26):
mirror and how you can grow andget better internally, Right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yes, because at the end of the day, there's nothing
else out there but us.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
If I look at the people around me, it's a
reflection of who I am.
If the people around me arecruel and evil and petty and
shallow, that's a reflection ofwho I am.
If the people around me areloving and caring and
magnanimous and committed tomaking the world a better place,
leaving the world a betterplace, being successful in their
life, that's a reflection ofwho I am.
(54:57):
So look at the people you havearound you and it will tell you
everything you need to knowabout you, and then you can
start.
We can't change the peoplearound us, but we can change the
people around us, meaning wecan't make them change who they
are.
But if they're unwilling tostep up in this new conversation
(55:18):
, I may need to look at who Iwant around me.
Right, I'm putting newboundaries.
We're going to physicallychange the people around us.
I'm not going to ask them orexpect them to change because,
look, they're with me, because Iasked them to be in my life.
Now I'm creating a new life formyself.
If it's inconsistent with whatthey're committed to, I can't
expect them to change.
(55:38):
I'm not going to judge that.
They can go, do whatever theywant, but it no longer has space
in my world and they may selectthemselves out and I will then
replace them with someone who isconsistent with who I am now in
my life.
Yeah, yeah, and that's tough,it's not easy.
Yeah, and that's tough, it'snot easy, yeah, especially when
(55:59):
it's family.
Especially when it's family andyou start to look at oh my gosh
, I've got an abusive parent,I've got an abusive sibling,
I've got an abusive cousin, andevery time I go interact with
them, they abuse me's not onthem, that's on you, that's on
me.
I need to be responsible forthat.
When am I going to put theboundary and says you know what?
(56:20):
No, nobody treats me like that.
You have every right to liveyour life the way you want.
You have no right to treat methat way.
So my request is that you treatme with respect and with
dignity and I will always do thesame for you.
And if they don't honor that,then we need to look at
separating our disengaging fromthat relationship.
(56:41):
Oh, but it's my parent.
You get to make the choice.
You can be in an abusiverelationship because they're
your parent or you can choose tonot be in an abusive
relationship.
It's really the choice you getto make, but don't complain
about it If you stay in thatrelationship and they continue
to make but don't complain aboutit If you stay in that
relationship and they continueto abuse you, don't complain
(57:01):
about it.
You've made the choice to bethere.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, and like you said before, it's these.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
A lot of folks that you're around can continue to
instill these old beliefs intoyou, right, it's the reason why
they were in your life to beginwith Exactly yeah, you were both
in the same conversation, soyou attracted them into your
life because, I don't know, youlike gossip, you like being
(57:28):
shallow, you like whatever, sothose people gravitate to you.
Well, now you're changing whoyou are.
You're going to repel thepeople that can't change and
you're going to attract newpeople, and you have to be okay
with that, yeah, or else you'regoing to just stay in the same
situation.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, you have to be okay with it and it's a
challenge.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, you have to be okay with it.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
It's challenging because you don't under.
You don't know what's next.
Right, it's uncertain.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
And so, in the people you're familiar with Exactly,
and you've sometimes been, maybeknown, for many, many years,
all of a sudden it's like, oh mygosh, they may not be a friend
anymore, they may not be in thesame conversation that I'm
creating for myself.
What am I going to do?
Let them go.
You're going to love them andlet them go and let them go on
their journey, on their path,while you continue down your
(58:20):
path.
It is not requisite that peopleneed to stay with you during
your entire journey.
So many people come into yourlife, they make this massive
impact and then they go on theirway and that's why they came
into your life to make themassive impact that they made.
And then you get to oh wow, gooff on your life.
Now they're going to go off anddo what they're going to do.
Right, we don't need to be withpeople for the rest of our lives
(58:42):
.
Sometimes we can, sometimes wecan't, but it isn't about oh,
I've known them forever and Ineed to keep them with me.
No, you don't Stay with thepeople.
Attract the people in your lifethat elevate you, that take you
to the level you want to be,that holds you to account for
being who you want to be.
That's what I do.
My best friend, stu, will callme out on anything If I'm oh
(59:06):
Pericles, what did you just say?
Dude, that is not you at all,what?
And he's calling me out andkeeping me in check, just like
I'm calling him out and keepinghim in check.
That's why we have each otherin our lives is so that we can
make sure we're honoring who weare at all times.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
I love it, pericles, first of all, so much value.
Right, and I don't think here'smy thing is that a lot of
people look for financial advice.
A lot of people look forfinancial advice not realizing
(59:57):
that a lot of thoughts and howmost folks think about money,
but also to how it can easetheir mind if they're just
conscious of their thoughts.
Right, and you just added a tonof value.
You've added a ton of value, sowe appreciate you.
You've added a ton of value,thank you.
So we appreciate you.
Where can folks find you?
(01:00:18):
Where can folks continue tohear your wise words?
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Well, they can go to two places.
They can go topericlesrelliscom or they can go
toresetyourfinancialthermostatcom.
They both go to the same place,periclesrelliscom.
And right there on the mainpage is a link to my free
masterclass and where I sharethe four keys to resetting your
(01:00:44):
financial thermostat so that youcan create that better
relationship with yourself andthe world around you.
So that's where people can findout more about me.
They can take whatever stepsthat they want to take, and if
that isn't for you, whoever'slistening?
Find the thing that is for you,find the thing that speaks to
you and pull it towards you.
As I said before, there is noone right answer for everyone.
(01:01:07):
There's only the right answerfor you and right now, find what
that thing is, explore it, diveinto it.
Don't be afraid to have acouple of misfires.
I thought that was it, it's not.
I thought that was it, it's not.
Oh, this is the thing that'sfor me.
That's what's important is thatyou're getting the value that
you want.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, 100%.
So many times I think peoplejust sit idle and one of the
things that I love you mentionedis just take some action.
Take some action.
Don't just sit, think, manifestand meditate.
Do those things, but then putaction behind it, and that's
(01:01:47):
where the real growth andchanges happen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yes, and even the smallest action over time can
make a massive difference.
If we're in a plane at theequator to circumnavigate the
globe, if we're off even justone degree, one tiny degree, by
the time we get around the otherside of the globe we're going
to be thousands of miles off ofour destination.
And one small action everysingle day to the benefit of
(01:02:14):
what it is you're committed towill make a massive difference
at the end of a week, at the endof a month, at the end of a
year.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, 100%.
Well, mr Pericles, weappreciate you.
Like I said, this is adifferent angle that folks
aren't.
It's different than Dave Ramsey, right?
So the technical, you can go tohim for the tactical stuff, and
I'm sure you do that as well,but the beginning stages, the
mindset, the foundation, it'sbeen laid.
(01:02:43):
So we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Josh, thank you for having me on.
It's been my pleasure.
100 percent.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I love it.
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