April 21, 2025 • 60 mins
Therapist and hypnotherapist Kerie Logan joins us to explore how our core wounds form and shape our adult relationships. We dive deep into understanding the role of consciousness in healing trauma and manifesting the life we truly want.
• Core wounds develop in childhood when we spiral into shame and humiliation, creating negative beliefs about ourselves
• Our inner critic is actually a wounded part of ourselves that needs compassion and healing, not rejection
• The "anxious generation" struggles with authenticity due to social media creating constant comparison and performance
• Self-sabotage is usually an unconscious behavior stemming from fear of rejection or feelings of unworthiness
• Understanding your attachment style (anxious, avoidant, or disorganized) can help explain relationship patterns
• We manifest both positive and negative experiences based on our consciousness level and dominant emotions
• True healing involves accepting ourselves, setting boundaries, and raising our vibrational energy
• Genuine affirmations must feel congruent with our current state to be effective
• Gratitude practice shifts focus from what we lack to what we have, immediately raising consciousness
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured.
We have Keri Logan on, who is atherapist, a coach, a spiritual
advisor, an author, blogger,public speaker, a podcaster so
many things right, I know.
But I am first of all me andKeri.
Before we hit record, sheshared so much value and I hate
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that I didn't hit record, butI'm excited that I get an hit
record.
Um, but I'm excited that youknow I get an opportunity to
have you on the show.
Um, obviously, I, you know Ikind of read your titles and
everything that kind of um, thelabels that you have, but I
would love to hear from you, um,who is Carrie and how does she
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spend her time?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
who is Carrie and how does she spend her time?
That's a really deep and goodquestion.
Well, I'm a mom, I'm a wife, Iam self-employed.
I've been a hypnotherapist forover 20 years, voted the best
for the past 14 consecutiveyears for for Salem, oregon, and
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I I love helping, I loveworking with people, I love
helping people find theirauthentic self and live a life
that they love, because there'sso many times in our lives we
get stuck or hit roadblocks orwe get traumatized and we can
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just lose ourselves.
We can experience what you callidentity erosion, and it's
really unfortunate and it's niceto know that there are people
out there that that can help,that understand you and that
won't look at you as you're acrazy person.
They actually, you know, knowwhat is going on with your brain
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, with your body, with youremotional state and how to get
you back on the path of healing,and you know recovery and so,
and then on this other side flipside I'm a huge gamer nerd.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I love to play video games yeah, I see the gamer
chair that you have.
I was gonna talk about that.
Then I'm looking through yourwebsite and I see kind of well,
I think no, it's on your youtubechannel.
I kind of seen like the animeum inspire images and different
things like that.
So my brother is a huge fan, ahuge video gamer and different
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things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I love that.
I love it.
It's a.
It's an interesting flip side.
My, my daughter got me intoplaying video games with her and
then it just kind of stuck.
It's my, my healthy way.
Besides, exercise to de-stressis a better way to put it, cause
a lot of us you know we it'sbetter than alcohol or drugs or
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stuff like that, just playing agame.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
For sure I love it.
Well, I love what you talkedabout with helping folks find
their true, authentic self.
And I would say maybe a fewyears ago I went down this
journey of starting to reallyfind out who I am, why I am the
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way I am and kind of what myideal self is, and this all
happened through kind of pain tosome degree.
I was in a relationship andthat relationship ended and I
felt so many deep emotions thatI had never felt before and I
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was trying to dig hey, why am Iso anxious?
Why do I not feel good enough?
Why do I feel like, you know,not feeling chosen by somebody
makes me feel this way right?
And I started to deep dive allthe way through my childhood and
different things like that andyou know, found out a lot of
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different things about who Ithought I was.
You know, wasn't actually who Iam, right and being a people
pleaser and different thingslike that shape shifting my
identity to kind of fit intodifferent places.
I started to realize that, oh,these kind of wounds and
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triggers have come up and now Iam looking to heal these right.
So I would love to learn fromyou how do folks form core
wounds right and how do theyactually show up in their life?
I know I kind of gave my ownexample right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You did.
No, it's perfect.
So I did a podcast series andblog post called Help my Parents
Suck and blog posts called Helpmy Parents Suck, and the
premise behind it is to helppeople realize that to know what
kind of home environment youwere raised in Was it either 3D
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or 4D?
So I give the example of alittle girl.
So imagine a little girl isreally happy, excited, playing
in the house and is running andknows the rule is you're not
allowed to run in the house.
But she's so joyful and happyand by accident she knocks the
coffee table and knocks overmom's favorite base and glass
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shatters, water goes everywhereand the little girl starts
crying.
There's two things that motheris going to do.
If she has the skills andabilities of 40 human
consciousness, she will rise upout of anger and disappointment
and have the courage to calmherself down.
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She will then get to eye levelwith that kiddo and say hey, you
know there's a reason why wehave you can calm down, you're
not in trouble.
You know I still love you, butthere's a reason why we have
this role in this house and it'sjust for this reason.
You know, something got damagedand broken and what she does is
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she consoles the child, sheaccepts the child and you know,
there's forgiveness, acceptance,there's understanding, there's
reasoning and you can still setconsequences where okay that
you're going to come out of yourallowance some money to replace
the base, but you, you don'tlose it.
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Now here's what happens.
Okay, I didn't grow up in ahome like that.
Okay, I didn't.
I do that technique with mykids, but I didn't grow up in
that home.
What happened in my home is myparents stayed in anger and when
they stayed in that anger and Icould feel their disappointment
and it almost I don't like tosay this word, but it is how
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kids perceive it.
We perceive it as you don'tlove me anymore, you hate me,
yeah, and this is where the corewounds start and it's what the
child does.
Because the child doesn't havethe coping skills as an adult.
It spirals down into and I'mgoing to go into it it goes from
fear into grief and sadness,into despair and hopelessness,
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into guilt and remorse and thendrops all the way down to shame
and humiliation.
That's where the core woundsstart, because that kid then
will feel I'm not good enough,good enough, I'm stupid, I ruin
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everything.
And then we create thisnegative inner critic that feeds
us that information.
Oh, you're stupid, no one'sgoing to like you.
Oh, that girl would never looktwice at you.
You know all those negative,cut down comments.
That's our inner critic.
But the truth is that's a partof you, yeah, and it's wounded.
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And so I was working with thisyoung, 16 year old boy who had a
really just nasty, negative,negative inner critic and I said
, okay, I want you to close youreyes and I want you to connect
to that part of you, thatnegative critic.
And how old is he?
And he said, oh, he's around,maybe nine, 10.
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And I said, okay, this is whatyou're doing to yourself, nobody
else.
You are being worse than anauthoritarian parent.
You're literally slamming thedoor on that kid's face, telling
it to shut up and leave me thehell alone.
What that child needs is anurturing parent, a supportive
parent.
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So I want you to look at thatpart of you and say, hey, you're
angry.
I'm, you know I.
Hey, you're angry.
When we get angry, bad thingshappen and we say things and do
things we don't want to do.
What do you need from me so youcan calm down?
What has made you so reactive?
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And when he calmed down and helistened, he was like whoa,
that's interesting and that'sthe whole thing.
It's about going within anddoing self-discovery, not
looking at it as I'm broken or Ineed to be fixed.
It's more of this, is anopportunity.
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Yeah, you know what can youlearn from it?
Learn from it.
And and even when he had, youknow, some of the other voices
come in he did a test where hesaid I rebuke you and he and I
told him.
I said tell it, I rebuke youand I send you just love and
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light.
You know you're going to be OK.
And he said as soon as he didthat he's like it just got so
quiet and I'm like there's somany different things we can do
to show ourselves compassion,self-acceptance,
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self-forgiveness, you know,self-mercy, and that's all part
of 40 human consciousness.
That's maturity Cause I'm sureyou know Josh, you have met
people out there that are maturephysically as adults, but
immature up here 100 percent andyou can feel it Right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You talk.
You talk about people whoattract people to them.
It is a very high, vibrant,happy energy that they have
right, yes.
Versus maybe head down, maybenot giving anybody eye contact,
maybe you know head low you knowthey're avoidant.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, they're avoidant.
You're a nuisance.
They're stuck in vanity orthey're stuck in power or greed.
There's, you know, arrogantpeople there's.
There's people that are short,you know, like short to the
point, and say really meanthings.
They don't think before theyspeak.
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And there's people that areparanoid, hypervigilant, really
fearful thinking, and sometimespeople won't even say it, but
there's fear of failure, there'sfear of success.
It's self-sabotaging behaviors,procrastination.
You're stuck in lack.
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You're paranoid, fearfulthinking.
The world looks hazardous.
Yeah that's a really low, denseplace and that you're not
thriving, you're just existing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I want to talk about that.
Why do you think we are in a?
You know, you?
You hear that we are in aanxious generation, right, or we
are.
You know, a lot of folks areanxious or living in fear.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yes, and there's a whole.
There's a great book about that.
The anxious generation oh, it'sa fabulous one.
A lot of it, I'd, is parts ofsocial media and how people are
pretending that, oh, look atthis beautiful, you know meal I
have, or look at what I have andyou don't have, and so people
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are always comparing themselvesto another person, and the thing
is is a lot of people aren'tbeing genuine and authentic.
It's an act, it's fake, youknow.
It's like oh, I have to getthis perfect shot, you know, and
I need so many likes.
So when, if I don't get so manylikes and people don't like me,
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and it creates all this thing.
There's a episode on DarkMirror on Netflix, all about
likes, likes.
Oh, my god, if you ever watchthat one yeah, yeah it will blow
your mind.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was so great yeah, I think that was probably, um,
probably one of the firstepisodes that I saw of black
mirror, um, where everything wasbased off of their social media
engagement or whatever the casemay be.
And you know pretty much, ifyou had this low social media
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engagement in your life, youwere seen as like a peasant.
And then if you had a high, youknow it was it was a crazy
episode to see because it waslike is this how the future is
going to be?
Yes, right.
Crazy episode to see because itwas like is this how the future
is going to be?
Yes, right.
Um, and so and that's what I'mthinking about is, is fear.
We talk about fear, fear ofpeople liking us, fear of not
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being good enough, um, you know,kind of tying your self-worth
to the behaviors and opinions ofother people, which makes us
anxious, right, and then alsoit's uncertainty as well.
Right, I know for myself, whenI start to feel anxious, it is
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uncertainty that I'm feelingright and it's a need that I
have a need for.
I, um, I have a, a need forcontrol, right, instead of
letting go and kind of detachingfrom the outcome of of how
people view me, of how, um,maybe this podcast episode is
going to go, or how?
Um tomorrow is going to go,just letting go and um being
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comfortable with uncertainty,seeing it as good.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, and that's where you know the first two
steps of human consciousness iscourage, and then the next one
is neutrality.
And when you're in neutrality,it really is where you're
releasing the old and you arerealizing that you are good
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enough, Regardless of themistakes that you might have
made in the past.
I don't look at them asmistakes, I look at them as you
know, opportunities to learn,because nobody is perfect.
We're all perfectly imperfect.
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And to just realize that ifsomeone's going to treat you
that way, they are not meant tobe your friend, because a real,
true, honest friend accepts you.
They don't, they don't care ifyou're crying and you look like
a mess or you're sick and you'reyou know you're vomiting and
you're just, they don't care.
They still accept youunconditionally.
They, they love you, theysupport you, they, you know
they're there for you and it'sand it's a true, honest, you
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know friendship.
You have trust, trust you.
You can be vulnerable and youcan be yourself and you can be
safe.
And that's the most importantthing is feeling that sense of
safety and security when you'rewith someone.
So if someone is always cuttingyou down or or judging you or
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making you feel bad aboutyourself, that's really a
projection of what's going onwith them and not you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, and so it's so many things I want to
tie back to.
So, first of all, even when youtalk about the acceptance piece
and what made, when you saidacceptance, it made me think
about accepting ourselves.
Right, it made me think aboutaccepting ourselves and not
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feeling the need to do extra orfeel the need to try to perform
to get acceptance and love andattention and different things
like that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right.
So I'll give you a perfectexample of one thing.
A lot of people sound verynonjudgmental, and I do my best
to not be judgmental towardsother people, but there was one
moment that it put me on theteeter-totter and that was where
, when I was working at ahypnosis clinic, a client wanted
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to stop their program becausethey were having money issues.
And I said, well, what's goingon and what she and this was
when I lived in the Bay Area,marin County.
It was very wealthy area andthe woman said well, this is
rather embarrassing to confess,but I know I can.
I can share this with you.
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But my father's been sick for areally, really long time and
he's extremely wealthy and wewere anticipating a mountain of
money coming in when he dies.
Well, anticipating that, webought a house we couldn't
afford, we had parties, we werethrowing, we were living that.
We're living that lifestyle.
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Well, he just died and we foundout he has no money because it
all went to medical expenses.
And now we're scrambling.
And what are we going to say toour friends?
What are we going to say to allthe people that you know she's
like?
I don't know what we're goingto do.
We're going to have to sell thehouse, we're going to have to
sell our cars, we're going tohave to sell a bunch of stuff
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and and that really floored methat someone would be out
partying and celebratingsomeone's death before you know,
thinking, anticipating all that, instead of being with that
person and connecting with thatperson and supporting.
I mean, that's your family,that's you know, that's your
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father.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And it.
It really disturbed me, butthat's the whole thing is, a lot
of people pretend to be someonethey're not and the truth is
just like that scenariosomething's going to happen and
you're going to fall in a pitand when you fall in that pit,
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it's going to force you to lookat yourself and to look at
yourself really hard.
Because she did have a choicewhen she found out, you know, or
knew, he had all this money.
She had a choice over greed orlove, and she chose greed
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instead of love because he couldhave said all right, I don't
want a bunch of my medicalexpenses to go away, I'm going
to put some money aside rightnow for you, knowing that she
was genuine and authentic, thatshe was really there for him.
But because she wasn't, I meanhe could have known what she was
doing and didn't didn't want towarn her or didn't care,
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because he knew deep down inside.
Maybe she didn't care about himand it's sad, but that's the
reality of the world we live in.
It's that saying you reap whatyou sow.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's something to really be
conscious of.
Is your level of consciousnessright?
You know, are you doing thingsout of greed, you know, out of
shame, out of fear, out of anger?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Greed, you know, out of shame, out of fear, out of
anger, out of being accepted orliked, because if you are, you
know you got to care.
I mean, one of my most popularrecordings was called Care Less
what Other People Think.
Yeah, how do people do that?
How does that happen?
How it happens is you reallybuild a sense of self, a strong
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sense of self-belief,self-confidence, self-esteem,
that, um, no matter what happens, you can weather the storm, and
that you learn to not take itpersonal and to and to take.
I always say take one day at atime and give yourself grace.
Yeah, you know, show yourself,you know mercy and compassion.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, it's that same.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
When you're on an airplane they say you know, put
you on your oxygen mask firstbefore you put it on the kids.
Yeah, it's the same inrelationships you gotta, you
gotta work on yourself firstbefore you put it on the kids.
Yeah, it's the same inrelationships you got to.
You got to work on yourselffirst before you're going to
dive into a serious relationship, cause if you don't, all that
baggage and all your childhoodwounds come in and they
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interfere and they impact thatrelationship.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, I, you know you talked about sense of
self, not the other person.
Usually, a lot of times, youknow, when we care about how
other people think, what otherpeople are doing, it has
something to do with us and,like you, have to start to
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discover who we are and whatthose wounds are, right, and
even sometimes we start to kindof sabotage these different
things, right?
So I want to talk about that alittle bit of why do we, when we
are, let's say, working our wayto discovery, working our way
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to start to grow and get better,do we sabotage, right?
I feel like it's a lot of timeslike, hey, you know, maybe I'm
on the way to growing andgetting better on my personal
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journey, but I find a way tokind of self-sabotage, right?
What does that come from andwhy do folks start to kind of
self-sabotage?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, self-sabotage aligns with fear self-sabotage
aligns with fear and it could befear of, well, maybe, the
person's and it here's.
The hard part is, when weself-sabotage, a lot of times
it's an unconscious behavioryeah, okay.
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And a lot of times it is notintentional either, okay, it's,
you got to think about it.
The subconscious mind is likeautopilot, okay.
So if you immediately get thefeeling or the sense that this
person's going to reject you, oryou're not good enough or
you're unworthy, you couldsabotage yourself
unintentionally, because you areperceiving this scenario coming
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into alignment and to avoid thepain and suffering of being
rejected or, let's say,humiliated or turned down, you
sabotage yourself and it canjust happen and it sucks.
I mean, I I look back at somescenarios of me when I, when I
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was dating before I met myhusband and I was like, damn,
I've really sabotaged myselfthere.
But then when I stopped and Ilooked at it, I was like, well,
I kind of knew I wouldn't bewith that person anyway.
So I was just responding toknowing that perception that,
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hey, that person really wasn't agood fit for me anyway.
So I sabotaged it.
So maybe I gave myself a giftof sabotage, because, but the
truth is, is when we don't feelthat fear and we know that
person really accepts us and wefeel safe with them and we trust
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them, we are less likely tosabotage it.
It's when fear gets involved,it's when you know that anxiety
gets involved and the paranoiaand the fearful thinking I mean
it could just be a blip likethis.
You know a quick thought, solike I'll give a scenario.
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So let's say you're at arestaurant with a woman you met
and the waiter comes along andshe starts to kind of flirt with
them, yeah, and you strugglewith low self-esteem and low
self-worth.
That could get under your skinand just that behavior right
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there can trigger someself-sabotage.
It can trigger where you're justlike, oh she's not the one for
me and you immediately go intojudgment.
You immediately start pickingit apart, picking it apart just
in your brain, thinking it,thinking it, watching the whole
engagement.
Some people will get jealous,some people will get insecure
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and some people like me will belike I don't care, because I
know the person that I'm withisn't going to go home with that
waitress and maybe the waitress, yes, is cute and all of that.
But I'm secure in the personI'm with and I'm secure in me.
And if that's a behavior thatperson wants to do, then you
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know in front of me, if Ihaven't said, you know like hey,
you know that was a little toomuch.
You know, maybe you made herfeel uncomfortable, but can you
see the difference in thisscenario?
Yeah, 100% If one is taking itpersonal, the other one doesn't
take it personal.
It's like hey, there are somepeople that are just flirts.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, and I'm just thinking about a lot of examples
, right, even in relationships,it can even be things that might
trigger you from some of thosecore wounds that you do have.
Right, it could be somebody whomaybe needs space and doesn't
talk to you as often as you'dlike to.
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Maybe it's somebody who youknow.
Maybe they put their careerfirst, or whatever case may be.
It's so many different thingsthat you might take personally.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But it's an opportunity, like you mentioned
before, for you to discover whatthat is Right.
Maybe it is the person, butalso, too, it does give you an
opportunity to discover.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, and it also allows you to discover that you
know why.
Why am I attracted to thatperson?
Why?
Because what you're talkingabout now is attachment styles.
There is an anxious attachmentstyle.
There is an avoidant attachmentstyle.
So anyone that's really intotheir career and stuff, that's
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an avoidant attachment style.
They just go into their career.
They're not really into formingdeep, connected relationships
with someone.
You know it's nice to have aperson in their life every once
in a while, but their wholefocus is somewhere else.
It's not on forming thatrelationship.
And it is hard for an anxiousperson to be lined up with
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someone that is just not there,that avoidant that is so into
their work.
And what you really want is tocreate a secure attachment with
yourself and other people andthen, when you go out in the
dating world, try to see if youcould figure out what the
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person's attachment style is.
Is it anxious, is it avoidant,is it disorganized?
Disorganized is where they are.
I like to call them the badboys you know it's the it is or
the bad girls you know it's theones that don't trust authority
figures.
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They're very, you know, angrysometimes.
You know it's, it's, it's myway, or the highway.
You know that that that kind ofkind of thing and you got it,
you got to look at it is how'sthat going to impact your peace
of mind?
It might be fun for a while buteventually, you know, it kind
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of gets old and it gets kind oftired and you can get beat up
and, and you know, when do yousay enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
self-sabotage and maybe a journey of you know,
like you said fear of successright.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Where you start to get some progress and then
you're like, oh, can I handlethis?
You know, am I ready for this?
Am I ready to start to maybegive up some things?
Am I ready to be uncomfortable?
And have you know folks thatdepend on me in different things
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?
Like that right?
These are other forms ofself-sabotage, where you stay
comfortable in who you are todayand what you have, as opposed
to kind of going towards yourdesired future state.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, a good example of that is I remember working
with one woman that was inconstant pain and I said to her
I think you're getting somethingpositive out of this pain.
And I said because if youbecome pain free completely, you
won't get your disability checkanymore.
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You're going to have to go backto work.
How do you feel about that?
Oh no, I can't do that.
I can't do that.
I can't do that.
She was really tied in to thatpaycheck, tied in to that pay,
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that paycheck, and and I and Isaid, well, I can't really help
you.
Then, if you're not willing to,you know, work, work on the pain
, because you're.
There's a difference I mean,that's a whole other
conversation because there isphysical pain and then there's
emotional pain.
Because I've worked on peoplewhere they had pain in one side
of their body and then in themiddle of the session the pain
moved to the other side of thebody and they were like that was
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trippy, and I said that'semotional pain, that's not
physical pain.
So you got to look at that partof your body that's
experiencing that pain.
What's stored there?
Because it's a memory and it'san emotion that's stored there.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, that is deep, that, folks, because I had
another guy on a podcast Hisname is Jonah Primo, and he was
having some pain as well andwhat he realized is that it was
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keeping him in the house, it waskeeping him comfortable being
at home.
Hey, I'm in pain, so I don'thave to go out and associate
with people, I can just stay athome.
And the only reason why I'mstaying at home is because I
have migraines.
So I don't have to go out andassociate with people, I can
just stay at home.
And the only reason why I'mstaying at home is because I
have migraines and I haveheadaches, and so that's why I'm
not going out.
And so you have to kind of fightthrough it, kind of go through
(33:00):
the pain of going out, and, asyou start to go out, become more
social.
Eventually these migrainesstarted to go away.
Is that necessarily what it is?
Is that what it is to kind ofstart to heal yourself?
Is it going out of your comfortzone and that's the healing
(33:21):
process, or is it other healingpractices that folks do before
they kind of step out and putaction behind maybe those fears
that they have?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, I mean, that is a really good question because
it really does all tie in and itdoes interconnect.
So a good example of that whichI think your listeners might
hopefully relate to, is Iremember working with a woman
that had cancer and the cancerwent away, went in remission,
(34:04):
and I had to have a serious talkwith her remission.
And I had to have a serioustalk with her and I said I want
to let you know that, um, thisconversation we're going to have
is going to be reallyuncomfortable, but my intention
is is, I don't want the cancerto come back, and I know you
feel the same way.
So I need to express to youthat, um, do you understand how
(34:27):
you manifested this cancerwithin you?
And she said I.
She said I've been thinkingabout it but I don't know.
I said well, let me tell youwhat I get.
Um, you are a people pleaser.
Before you came here, you weredriving your kids to all
activities.
You were literally the drivingmom.
(34:48):
Your kids were going to so manyactivities band practice,
swimming, soccer, this and thatthe husband worked all the time,
was never around.
You were stay at home mom,cooking, clean, doing all this
stuff.
It was exhausting for you.
And when you got cancer, all ofthat stopped and people focused
(35:10):
on you and people gaveattention to you and you got
your needs met instead of youmeeting everyone else's needs.
Now it was you.
And that felt good, didn't it?
And she's like, yeah, it did.
I said, but here's's my worry,and my concern is, now that
you're better, are they going toexpect that from you again, and
(35:33):
will you manifest that canceragain so you can get out of it?
So I said, and and she startedto think, and she's like I never
thought about it that way.
And I said so what I need youto do is I need you to set
healthy boundaries and you needto work with other people,
because what you were doing wasso stressful, you were burning
(35:55):
the candle at both ends.
And she admitted it.
She's like, yes, I was.
She's like it was nuts, all thethings that she, she did.
And she thought her kids neededall this.
You know, band and swimming andthis and that.
And she realized, um, she neverwants to ask them do you really
enjoy that?
Do you really want to do that?
(36:17):
And when she sat down and hadthe family meeting and talked to
them about this stuff, whichwas she had to have courage to
do.
They all agreed that, yes, wedon't want this to happen to you
again because we, you matter,you care, we care.
But they thought and believedthat she could handle it.
But in reality she couldn't.
(36:38):
She was.
She put too much on her plateand she got sick.
So to avoid getting sick again,she had to set boundaries.
She had to check in with herbody periodically.
Am I feeling too much stress?
Am I feeling too much tension?
Am I taking breaks out of myday to give back to me?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
you know, self-care, because that's what her healing
journey was all about wasself-care, self-care, self-care.
Yeah, so one thing you said wasmanifest.
You said manifest, right.
When I think about manifest, Ithink about manifesting
something of our dreams,manifesting our goals.
(37:20):
I haven't, and I have heard ofmanifesting things that you
don't want as well, and I haveheard of manifesting things that
you don't want as well, butI've never, I guess.
I don't know how consciousfolks are about that, about the
power that they have first ofall, and I think this is why
(37:46):
consciousness is so important.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But that you can manifest things that aren't good
for you as well.
Yes, so if you're stuck in fearabout something that you think
is going to happen and you thinkabout it over and over and over
and over, you're feeding it.
We are energetic beings livingin a vibration, energetic world.
Okay, this is just a vessel,and when we, when this vessel
(38:14):
deteriorates, our consciousnessand our spirit leave and it goes
okay.
And so the important thing tothink about is our consciousness
, as we we were talking aboutearlier is like a ball of clay,
because when you're first born,you have this nice little ball
(38:34):
of clay and everything you see,hear, feel, taste, touch,
experience molds.
That ball of clay, molds, it,molds it.
That ball of clay molds, it,molds it.
There's your teachers, yourpeers, religion, society,
culture all of that.
It molds, you, mold, you, moldyou.
(38:54):
And the beautiful thing is, ifyou don't like how you're
perceiving the world, that'sbecause your consciousness is
perceiving it that way.
You need to shift yourconsciousness and view things
differently and take the trashout, so then you can mold who
(39:17):
you want to be, and a lot ofpeople want to be happy and
joyful and loving and giving andaccepting and forgiving and all
of those 4D and 5D states ofhuman consciousness.
That's connection, that'soneness, and 3D human
(39:38):
consciousness is all separation.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So how can folks start to and I'm even thinking
about myself, so how can folksstart to and I'm even thinking
about myself start to mold thatclay to the person that they
want to be right?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I know a lot of folks out there.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
they're like man, you know.
They are struggling with anger,with pride, with shame, right,
Well, let's take money.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Let's take money.
Okay, a lot of people, you knowit's money, a lot of people are
stuck in not enough money, lackof money, and the thing is is
they never take intoconsideration gratitude.
Be grateful you got a roof overyour head because there's
(40:35):
people sleeping in tents.
Be grateful you got shoes onyour feet, because there's some
people that have holes in theirshoes or can't even afford shoes
.
They got them wrapped up, youknow, with with duct tape to
keep their shoes together.
There's there's people that arehungry.
There's people that don't havea car, that have to take the bus
(40:57):
.
There's people that ride bikes.
There's, you know, there's somany things that we forget to be
grateful for.
You get a paycheck every twoweeks.
That's consistent money comingin.
Be grateful, you have money topay your bills instead of hating
that bill you got to pay.
(41:17):
Be grateful because actuallythey loaned you that service
before they billed you.
So all that electricity you'reusing, they gave it to you first
.
So all that electricity you'reusing, they gave it to you first
(41:52):
.
Like, I worked with a woman thatwas struggling with of time
because they knew that you couldpay it off.
Hopefully they trusted you thatyou could pay it off, okay, pay
it off.
Okay, and and I said so pay offthe one that has the most
interest.
Make that your goal and be sograteful when you pay it off.
(42:13):
And next time just be moremindful, cause a lot of people
are like, oh, it's free money,it's free money, it's not free
money, it's not.
And it's that perception, youknow, and don't be mad.
You know, don't be mad.
It's, and and that's the hardpart is that's just one example
of money you can go out of fearand anger up into being new,
(42:37):
having neutrality about it.
Okay, yeah, I don't want to paythis bill, but I have to pay
this bill and I have the money.
Okay, and I'm very blessed thatI have the money to pay this
bill.
And I have the money, okay, andI'm very blessed that I have
the money to pay this.
You know, and it's just yourperception on money.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, Gratitude is so key because I feel like
gratitude is is something whereyou just need to sit and think
about it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
And it will raise your mood.
Oh yeah, instantaneously, allright.
So I feel like that's onepractice, and one practice that
I it's crazy because I got awayfrom it but I had to start doing
it again, which is just writingthree things that I'm grateful
for, and then you start torealize that you'll focus on
(43:26):
what you do have and not whatyou don't have.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Exactly, you know, and that's the whole thing is
your point of focus.
So I did a podcast about a itwas a testimonial podcast a
woman that wanted to getpregnant, and I've worked with
this.
I've known this woman for 10years and I actually helped her
(43:51):
manifest.
Her husband and they wanted tomanifest having a child and for
a year and a half they weretrying doing IVF, hormone
replacement therapy, all the.
It was a nightmare and she gotahold of me and said I'm, I
don't know if I can have a kid,I don't know what's going on.
(44:12):
You know, and I explained toher this is the issue.
You are stuck in force.
This baby wants to be createdout of love, not out of force,
not out of you know.
You trying to do it.
You're making sex a job, you'renot making love, and I said so.
(44:34):
What we need to do is we need totake that trash out and we need
to raise you up into the statesof 4D and 5D, and what you're
going to do is you're going tocreate this beautiful womb of
harmony and love.
And you're going to do isyou're going to create this
beautiful womb of harmony andlove and you're going to connect
to that baby because you canenergetically connect to it and
(44:54):
I want you to say that you'resorry and I want you to talk to
it and ask for it to forgive youand say that I'm so excited to
have this relationship with youand whenever you're ready to
come in, you can come in.
And so I had her connect tolove, peace, joy, bliss and
actually imagine the day thebaby's here and you're holding
(45:17):
it, you're loving it.
It's a beautiful experience.
You're one.
Well, I made that customrecording for her.
She listened and in 30 days shegot pregnant.
Yeah, so it was 500 and I think80 days of trying to make it
happen.
Trying to make it happen andyou let that all go.
(45:37):
You raise yourself up, youalign with.
I call the sweet spot, themagic of 5D human consciousness.
Sweet spot, the magic of 5Dhuman consciousness, which is
love, joy, peace, bliss, pureenlightenment, oneness and boom,
she manifested it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and you know when you're explaining that.
I think, about detachment, justbeing detached from the outcome
of things, and I think a lot.
We are very attached to thingswhere we need it to happen.
We have to have it happen Right, Like you said.
You said force.
We want to force something.
(46:16):
We want to kind of fit a squarepeg through a round hole Right
and force it to happen and ourvibration is very low Right, as
opposed to detaching from it and, like you said, doing it out of
love.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And allowing it to happen, taking pretty much
taking the stress out of yourlife, right, letting go of it,
right, right, yeah, that's sopowerful.
Um.
So tell me this um affirmations, right, um, are you a believer
(46:57):
in affirmations?
Is that another way of kind ofmolding that clay for folks to
start to kind of rewire those,um, inner critic, kind of
negative beliefs aboutthemselves?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
there's a lot I can say about affirmations.
I remember one time I wasworking with a lady that was
creating a vision board and shewanted rapid weight loss.
And I looked at her and I saiddo you really want that?
Because rapid weight loss ispainful and starvation and
(47:31):
struggle.
Wouldn't you rather have ahealthy lifestyle?
You know, it's shifting thatperspective and I once worked
with a lady that had arthritisand I opened up the book from
Louise Hay, heal your Body, andI read the affirmation and I
looked at her and I said I can'tsay this.
(47:52):
And she's like why?
I said well, you just sat hereand told me you hate yourself,
and it wants me to say I lovemyself, and and it wants me to
say this, this and this, and.
And I and I looked at her.
I said could you say that toyourself?
She's like no, and I'm likeokay, but could you say this?
(48:12):
Every day I'm learning to makepeace with myself.
Every day I'm being more gentlewith myself and every day I'm
going to give myself grace.
And today I'm going to be, I'mjust going to be kind to my body
(48:37):
.
I'm going to allow my body toheal the way it wants to heal.
And I said can you say that?
And she said, yes, I can saythat.
So the key thing withaffirmations is you have to be
congruent, neutral with whatyou're going to say.
If it does not align with that,it's hollow.
So a good example, josh, is Icould say in an argument heated
(48:59):
argument I love you and you'renot going to believe me.
Or I could say, josh, I reallylove you and you can feel it's
genuine.
You can feel when it's fake.
And our body is the same exactway we can feel when it's
genuine, we can feel when it'sfake.
So if you don't really mean itwhen you're saying these
(49:24):
affirmations, you're forcingyourself to say it.
It's hollow, it's hollow.
You have to mean it and youhave to feel it.
And so what I've learned overthe years of practice when
someone wants affirmations, theyask me to record it because I
(49:46):
can say it and I can mean itwhen I say it.
And some people want it so bad,but they can't say it to
themselves.
But they can receive it whensomeone else is saying it for
them because they're saying itwith a genuine heart.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, that's one thing I haven't really.
I I think a lot of folks wejust in it can become mature to
just say it hey, I'm just goingto say my applications and they
just say it, as opposed toreally being congruent with
actually meaning it and beinggenuine with it, right?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
yeah, so on.
I'm on insight timer and oninsight timer I actually have
some affirmations, a bunch ofaffirmations on there, and the
ones that I think are thecoolest are the ones that have
the double voice.
So me saying I accept myself,and the double voice and then
(50:48):
says yes, I do, yes, I do, I do,I accept myself, yes, I do.
And when you hear that itresonates it's like this
sincerity of yes, I do, I do,accept myself, I'm a good person
, yes, I am, yeah.
(51:13):
And so there are ways where youcan listen to positive
affirmations and just um, like asponge, just soak it up and
listen.
And the most important thing isanything that we do, that we
meditation or hypnosis or even,you know, guided imagery,
(51:34):
whatever it is.
You want to listen for 30 days,because it takes 30 days to
create a new habit, belief, youknow, pattern, your.
Well, there's a great movie Idon't know if you've ever seen
it and it might be free onYouTube.
It's called what the Bleep Dowe Know, and Joe Dispenza was
talking about anger and heshowed this lightning storm
(51:57):
going on and that's what happensin your brain.
So think about it is here's myhand and here's anger, and every
time you get angry, it getsmore power, more power, more
power.
And then it attaches, and thenit attaches to all these other
memories and scenarios which youget angry more often.
(52:18):
Now You've wired it in yourbrain Well, when you listen to,
let's say, hypnosis ormeditation, anything like that,
you're deactivating this.
You're taking the power away andyou're creating a new wire
which is I can be calm instressful situations, I can
(52:40):
disengage when someone tries totrigger me.
When I'm driving in my car, Ican stay calm and relaxed.
You're rewiring your brain, soyou're deactivating the negative
one and you're reinstalling apositive neural network is what
they call it.
It's a new neuron.
You're synapsis, you're makingit build, and it was really cool
(53:06):
how he showed that scenario inthat movie when they were
talking to him about anger, howit works so, dude, I um.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
So I'm sitting here, I'm looking at the uh, I'm on
your website, master, the upperrooms, uh dot com, and I'm
looking at the the list ofhabits, emotions, behavioral
patterns and mindset of humanconsciousness per vibrational
frequency rating.
And I know you and I we talkedabout how this is something that
(53:43):
is free and I'm taking a lookat it, and I'm even looking at
this myself of like, hey, youknow, where am I at, what level
am I at right now?
And also, too, I'm thinkingabout certain areas in my life,
my career.
I'm thinking about podcasting,business.
I'm thinking about my fitness,and I'm like, hey, what is my
(54:05):
attitude and emotions towardsthese areas, right, and I'm like
, ah, maybe I need to do betterat this right Certain areas.
And so I would love for you tokind of tell folks a little bit
more about this and kind ofwhere they can find you and
continue to follow your journey.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yes, so the website is mastertheupperroomscom and
there is a section where there'sfree stuff and the image that
he's talking about is a freeimage that people can get.
There's free MP3 downloads,there's free e-books, and so,
(54:46):
when you were talking aboutfitness, if you look at this
chart, if you're being moredemanding towards yourself, you
know like kind of judgmental Imean we can be towards our body,
I mean we are.
The biggest thing is to learn,to have the courage to just make
(55:07):
peace with your body, torealize that your body is fine
just the way it is right now.
And if you want to improve it,great, you can improve your
appearance or whatever, butdon't do it coming from a place
of you know I have to be perfect, I have to look this certain
way because someone's going tolove you, josh.
(55:30):
Well, this is a comment, a jokeI say for women, whether you
have that dimple on your butt ornot, okay, the person that's
going to love you isn't going tocare about that dimple or that
cellulite or that scar or yougot on your body.
They're not going to care.
They love the inner part of you.
(55:53):
You know, the exterior isalways a bonus, okay, but what
people?
When they do fall in love, it'sthat inner heart, that essence
that we fall in love with.
Yeah, cause there's adifference between lust and love
.
Because there's a differencebetween lust and love.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
Like you know, lust is morelike just kind of, you know,
using somebody and it reallydoesn't even come from a.
Even when you come from alustful place, it doesn't even,
it's not even you.
To some degree it's almost,like, you know, an out of mind
(56:34):
type of experience, and so Ilove that.
And also, too I'm thinkingabout career, right, I think a
lot of folks you know they areit can be greed, it can be a
sense of pridefulness, it caneven be a sense of fear, like
(56:55):
hey, I'm looking for thispromotion and I'm scared that if
I don't do this then I won't beable to get this promotion, or
whatever the case may be, asopposed to just having an
understanding that timing isgoing to work out perfectly
Right and so, um, this andthat's that's.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
The important thing is is yes.
Um, sometimes I tell a lot ofpeople you gotta have faith and
stop focusing on what you don'twant and just take one day at a
time and and make the best ofthat one day, because that's
really where our place of poweris.
(57:35):
We have no control over thefuture.
We can't change the past.
Your place of power is rightnow the choices we make, the
thoughts we think and theactions that we take.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Where else can folks find you when?
Where else can folks kind offollow your journey?
Speaker 2 (57:57):
So I'm on.
Well, anyone can Google my name, cause it's not the typical
spelling it's K E R I E.
Last name, logan.
I'm on YouTube.
I'm on insight timer.
I have another website calledempowered within Um I.
(58:24):
There's lots of ways people canyou know, can can find me, and
I do offer a free 15 minuteconsultation.
Someone wants to, you know, seeif I'm a good fit.
I always say you know, check itout.
And when I do my coaching, I'mnot a typical coach.
Anyone will tell you that myfocus is to get you from point A
to point B and to figure outwhat is holding you back.
(58:45):
Is it something internally,like the thoughts you think
about yourself, self-sabotage oris it external, like your mom
or your dad or your partner?
What is it that's interferingwith you moving forward?
I love it.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, I'm looking at your YouTube channel website.
I mean, you've been creatingcontent.
I'm looking at a video from 12years ago, a meditation
releasing fear, guidedmeditation.
So it's so much out there thatyou have so much value that you
have, and for you to take thetime to add value to my show, I
(59:27):
definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, I'll give you a little humor here.
I definitely appreciate it.
Well, I'll give you a littlehumor here.
Yeah, my most popular video onthat Empowered Within YouTube
channel is me reading an Elmobook to my son.
A monster at the end of thisbook.
It was when my kiddo was likemy son's going to be 17 just
(59:49):
this week, but it's when he wasa little kid.
It is my most popular videobecause I can imitate, intimate
or make the sound of elmo.
Really well, it is yeah I knowit's kind of funny and yes, but
yeah, that channel's been aroundfor, I think, oh God, since
(01:00:11):
2010, or quite a while.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, well, I love it .
Well, carrie, I appreciate youand I'm looking forward to folks
hearing this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Thank you and I appreciate you as well, josh.
Thank you for taking your timeout of your day to talk with me,
so thank you 100%.
Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured.
We have Keri Logan on, who is atherapist, a coach, a spiritual
advisor, an author, blogger,public speaker, a podcaster so
many things right, I know.
But I am first of all me andKeri.
Before we hit record, sheshared so much value and I hate
(00:22):
that I didn't hit record, butI'm excited that I get an hit
record.
Um, but I'm excited that youknow I get an opportunity to
have you on the show.
Um, obviously, I, you know Ikind of read your titles and
everything that kind of um, thelabels that you have, but I
would love to hear from you, um,who is Carrie and how does she
(00:43):
spend her time?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
who is Carrie and how does she spend her time?
That's a really deep and goodquestion.
Well, I'm a mom, I'm a wife, Iam self-employed.
I've been a hypnotherapist forover 20 years, voted the best
for the past 14 consecutiveyears for for Salem, oregon, and
(01:06):
I I love helping, I loveworking with people, I love
helping people find theirauthentic self and live a life
that they love, because there'sso many times in our lives we
get stuck or hit roadblocks orwe get traumatized and we can
(01:30):
just lose ourselves.
We can experience what you callidentity erosion, and it's
really unfortunate and it's niceto know that there are people
out there that that can help,that understand you and that
won't look at you as you're acrazy person.
They actually, you know, knowwhat is going on with your brain
(01:53):
, with your body, with youremotional state and how to get
you back on the path of healing,and you know recovery and so,
and then on this other side flipside I'm a huge gamer nerd.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I love to play video games yeah, I see the gamer
chair that you have.
I was gonna talk about that.
Then I'm looking through yourwebsite and I see kind of well,
I think no, it's on your youtubechannel.
I kind of seen like the animeum inspire images and different
things like that.
So my brother is a huge fan, ahuge video gamer and different
(02:29):
things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I love that.
I love it.
It's a.
It's an interesting flip side.
My, my daughter got me intoplaying video games with her and
then it just kind of stuck.
It's my, my healthy way.
Besides, exercise to de-stressis a better way to put it, cause
a lot of us you know we it'sbetter than alcohol or drugs or
(02:57):
stuff like that, just playing agame.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
For sure I love it.
Well, I love what you talkedabout with helping folks find
their true, authentic self.
And I would say maybe a fewyears ago I went down this
journey of starting to reallyfind out who I am, why I am the
(03:22):
way I am and kind of what myideal self is, and this all
happened through kind of pain tosome degree.
I was in a relationship andthat relationship ended and I
felt so many deep emotions thatI had never felt before and I
(03:44):
was trying to dig hey, why am Iso anxious?
Why do I not feel good enough?
Why do I feel like, you know,not feeling chosen by somebody
makes me feel this way right?
And I started to deep dive allthe way through my childhood and
different things like that andyou know, found out a lot of
(04:08):
different things about who Ithought I was.
You know, wasn't actually who Iam, right and being a people
pleaser and different thingslike that shape shifting my
identity to kind of fit intodifferent places.
I started to realize that, oh,these kind of wounds and
(04:31):
triggers have come up and now Iam looking to heal these right.
So I would love to learn fromyou how do folks form core
wounds right and how do theyactually show up in their life?
I know I kind of gave my ownexample right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You did.
No, it's perfect.
So I did a podcast series andblog post called Help my Parents
Suck and blog posts called Helpmy Parents Suck, and the
premise behind it is to helppeople realize that to know what
kind of home environment youwere raised in Was it either 3D
(05:15):
or 4D?
So I give the example of alittle girl.
So imagine a little girl isreally happy, excited, playing
in the house and is running andknows the rule is you're not
allowed to run in the house.
But she's so joyful and happyand by accident she knocks the
coffee table and knocks overmom's favorite base and glass
(05:38):
shatters, water goes everywhereand the little girl starts
crying.
There's two things that motheris going to do.
If she has the skills andabilities of 40 human
consciousness, she will rise upout of anger and disappointment
and have the courage to calmherself down.
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She will then get to eye levelwith that kiddo and say hey, you
know there's a reason why wehave you can calm down, you're
not in trouble.
You know I still love you, butthere's a reason why we have
this role in this house and it'sjust for this reason.
You know, something got damagedand broken and what she does is
(06:20):
she consoles the child, sheaccepts the child and you know,
there's forgiveness, acceptance,there's understanding, there's
reasoning and you can still setconsequences where okay that
you're going to come out of yourallowance some money to replace
the base, but you, you don'tlose it.
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Now here's what happens.
Okay, I didn't grow up in ahome like that.
Okay, I didn't.
I do that technique with mykids, but I didn't grow up in
that home.
What happened in my home is myparents stayed in anger and when
they stayed in that anger and Icould feel their disappointment
and it almost I don't like tosay this word, but it is how
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kids perceive it.
We perceive it as you don'tlove me anymore, you hate me,
yeah, and this is where the corewounds start and it's what the
child does.
Because the child doesn't havethe coping skills as an adult.
It spirals down into and I'mgoing to go into it it goes from
fear into grief and sadness,into despair and hopelessness,
(07:29):
into guilt and remorse and thendrops all the way down to shame
and humiliation.
That's where the core woundsstart, because that kid then
will feel I'm not good enough,good enough, I'm stupid, I ruin
(07:52):
everything.
And then we create thisnegative inner critic that feeds
us that information.
Oh, you're stupid, no one'sgoing to like you.
Oh, that girl would never looktwice at you.
You know all those negative,cut down comments.
That's our inner critic.
But the truth is that's a partof you, yeah, and it's wounded.
(08:14):
And so I was working with thisyoung, 16 year old boy who had a
really just nasty, negative,negative inner critic and I said
, okay, I want you to close youreyes and I want you to connect
to that part of you, thatnegative critic.
And how old is he?
And he said, oh, he's around,maybe nine, 10.
(08:35):
And I said, okay, this is whatyou're doing to yourself, nobody
else.
You are being worse than anauthoritarian parent.
You're literally slamming thedoor on that kid's face, telling
it to shut up and leave me thehell alone.
What that child needs is anurturing parent, a supportive
parent.
(08:55):
So I want you to look at thatpart of you and say, hey, you're
angry.
I'm, you know I.
Hey, you're angry.
When we get angry, bad thingshappen and we say things and do
things we don't want to do.
What do you need from me so youcan calm down?
What has made you so reactive?
(09:16):
And when he calmed down and helistened, he was like whoa,
that's interesting and that'sthe whole thing.
It's about going within anddoing self-discovery, not
looking at it as I'm broken or Ineed to be fixed.
It's more of this, is anopportunity.
(09:37):
Yeah, you know what can youlearn from it?
Learn from it.
And and even when he had, youknow, some of the other voices
come in he did a test where hesaid I rebuke you and he and I
told him.
I said tell it, I rebuke youand I send you just love and
(09:58):
light.
You know you're going to be OK.
And he said as soon as he didthat he's like it just got so
quiet and I'm like there's somany different things we can do
to show ourselves compassion,self-acceptance,
(10:22):
self-forgiveness, you know,self-mercy, and that's all part
of 40 human consciousness.
That's maturity Cause I'm sureyou know Josh, you have met
people out there that are maturephysically as adults, but
immature up here 100 percent andyou can feel it Right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You talk.
You talk about people whoattract people to them.
It is a very high, vibrant,happy energy that they have
right, yes.
Versus maybe head down, maybenot giving anybody eye contact,
maybe you know head low you knowthey're avoidant.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, they're avoidant.
You're a nuisance.
They're stuck in vanity orthey're stuck in power or greed.
There's, you know, arrogantpeople there's.
There's people that are short,you know, like short to the
point, and say really meanthings.
They don't think before theyspeak.
(11:19):
And there's people that areparanoid, hypervigilant, really
fearful thinking, and sometimespeople won't even say it, but
there's fear of failure, there'sfear of success.
It's self-sabotaging behaviors,procrastination.
You're stuck in lack.
(11:50):
You're paranoid, fearfulthinking.
The world looks hazardous.
Yeah that's a really low, denseplace and that you're not
thriving, you're just existing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I want to talk about that.
Why do you think we are in a?
You know, you?
You hear that we are in aanxious generation, right, or we
are.
You know, a lot of folks areanxious or living in fear.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yes, and there's a whole.
There's a great book about that.
The anxious generation oh, it'sa fabulous one.
A lot of it, I'd, is parts ofsocial media and how people are
pretending that, oh, look atthis beautiful, you know meal I
have, or look at what I have andyou don't have, and so people
(12:35):
are always comparing themselvesto another person, and the thing
is is a lot of people aren'tbeing genuine and authentic.
It's an act, it's fake, youknow.
It's like oh, I have to getthis perfect shot, you know, and
I need so many likes.
So when, if I don't get so manylikes and people don't like me,
(12:56):
and it creates all this thing.
There's a episode on DarkMirror on Netflix, all about
likes, likes.
Oh, my god, if you ever watchthat one yeah, yeah it will blow
your mind.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was so great yeah, I think that was probably, um,
probably one of the firstepisodes that I saw of black
mirror, um, where everything wasbased off of their social media
engagement or whatever the casemay be.
And you know pretty much, ifyou had this low social media
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engagement in your life, youwere seen as like a peasant.
And then if you had a high, youknow it was it was a crazy
episode to see because it waslike is this how the future is
going to be?
Yes, right.
Crazy episode to see because itwas like is this how the future
is going to be?
Yes, right.
Um, and so and that's what I'mthinking about is, is fear.
We talk about fear, fear ofpeople liking us, fear of not
(13:55):
being good enough, um, you know,kind of tying your self-worth
to the behaviors and opinions ofother people, which makes us
anxious, right, and then alsoit's uncertainty as well.
Right, I know for myself, whenI start to feel anxious, it is
(14:17):
uncertainty that I'm feelingright and it's a need that I
have a need for.
I, um, I have a, a need forcontrol, right, instead of
letting go and kind of detachingfrom the outcome of of how
people view me, of how, um,maybe this podcast episode is
going to go, or how?
Um tomorrow is going to go,just letting go and um being
(14:43):
comfortable with uncertainty,seeing it as good.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, and that's where you know the first two
steps of human consciousness iscourage, and then the next one
is neutrality.
And when you're in neutrality,it really is where you're
releasing the old and you arerealizing that you are good
(15:07):
enough, Regardless of themistakes that you might have
made in the past.
I don't look at them asmistakes, I look at them as you
know, opportunities to learn,because nobody is perfect.
We're all perfectly imperfect.
(15:39):
And to just realize that ifsomeone's going to treat you
that way, they are not meant tobe your friend, because a real,
true, honest friend accepts you.
They don't, they don't care ifyou're crying and you look like
a mess or you're sick and you'reyou know you're vomiting and
you're just, they don't care.
They still accept youunconditionally.
They, they love you, theysupport you, they, you know
they're there for you and it'sand it's a true, honest, you
(16:00):
know friendship.
You have trust, trust you.
You can be vulnerable and youcan be yourself and you can be
safe.
And that's the most importantthing is feeling that sense of
safety and security when you'rewith someone.
So if someone is always cuttingyou down or or judging you or
(16:21):
making you feel bad aboutyourself, that's really a
projection of what's going onwith them and not you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, and so it's so many things I want to
tie back to.
So, first of all, even when youtalk about the acceptance piece
and what made, when you saidacceptance, it made me think
about accepting ourselves.
Right, it made me think aboutaccepting ourselves and not
(17:05):
feeling the need to do extra orfeel the need to try to perform
to get acceptance and love andattention and different things
like that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right.
So I'll give you a perfectexample of one thing.
A lot of people sound verynonjudgmental, and I do my best
to not be judgmental towardsother people, but there was one
moment that it put me on theteeter-totter and that was where
, when I was working at ahypnosis clinic, a client wanted
(17:43):
to stop their program becausethey were having money issues.
And I said, well, what's goingon and what she and this was
when I lived in the Bay Area,marin County.
It was very wealthy area andthe woman said well, this is
rather embarrassing to confess,but I know I can.
I can share this with you.
(18:05):
But my father's been sick for areally, really long time and
he's extremely wealthy and wewere anticipating a mountain of
money coming in when he dies.
Well, anticipating that, webought a house we couldn't
afford, we had parties, we werethrowing, we were living that.
We're living that lifestyle.
(18:26):
Well, he just died and we foundout he has no money because it
all went to medical expenses.
And now we're scrambling.
And what are we going to say toour friends?
What are we going to say to allthe people that you know she's
like?
I don't know what we're goingto do.
We're going to have to sell thehouse, we're going to have to
sell our cars, we're going tohave to sell a bunch of stuff
(18:50):
and and that really floored methat someone would be out
partying and celebratingsomeone's death before you know,
thinking, anticipating all that, instead of being with that
person and connecting with thatperson and supporting.
I mean, that's your family,that's you know, that's your
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father.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And it.
It really disturbed me, butthat's the whole thing is, a lot
of people pretend to be someonethey're not and the truth is
just like that scenariosomething's going to happen and
you're going to fall in a pitand when you fall in that pit,
(19:35):
it's going to force you to lookat yourself and to look at
yourself really hard.
Because she did have a choicewhen she found out, you know, or
knew, he had all this money.
She had a choice over greed orlove, and she chose greed
(19:55):
instead of love because he couldhave said all right, I don't
want a bunch of my medicalexpenses to go away, I'm going
to put some money aside rightnow for you, knowing that she
was genuine and authentic, thatshe was really there for him.
But because she wasn't, I meanhe could have known what she was
doing and didn't didn't want towarn her or didn't care,
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because he knew deep down inside.
Maybe she didn't care about himand it's sad, but that's the
reality of the world we live in.
It's that saying you reap whatyou sow.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's something to really be
conscious of.
Is your level of consciousnessright?
You know, are you doing thingsout of greed, you know, out of
shame, out of fear, out of anger?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Greed, you know, out of shame, out of fear, out of
anger, out of being accepted orliked, because if you are, you
know you got to care.
I mean, one of my most popularrecordings was called Care Less
what Other People Think.
Yeah, how do people do that?
How does that happen?
How it happens is you reallybuild a sense of self, a strong
(21:12):
sense of self-belief,self-confidence, self-esteem,
that, um, no matter what happens, you can weather the storm, and
that you learn to not take itpersonal and to and to take.
I always say take one day at atime and give yourself grace.
Yeah, you know, show yourself,you know mercy and compassion.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, it's that same.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
When you're on an airplane they say you know, put
you on your oxygen mask firstbefore you put it on the kids.
Yeah, it's the same inrelationships you gotta, you
gotta work on yourself firstbefore you put it on the kids.
Yeah, it's the same inrelationships you got to.
You got to work on yourselffirst before you're going to
dive into a serious relationship, cause if you don't, all that
baggage and all your childhoodwounds come in and they
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interfere and they impact thatrelationship.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, I, you know you talked about sense of
self, not the other person.
Usually, a lot of times, youknow, when we care about how
other people think, what otherpeople are doing, it has
something to do with us and,like you, have to start to
(22:22):
discover who we are and whatthose wounds are, right, and
even sometimes we start to kindof sabotage these different
things, right?
So I want to talk about that alittle bit of why do we, when we
are, let's say, working our wayto discovery, working our way
(22:47):
to start to grow and get better,do we sabotage, right?
I feel like it's a lot of timeslike, hey, you know, maybe I'm
on the way to growing andgetting better on my personal
(23:08):
journey, but I find a way tokind of self-sabotage, right?
What does that come from andwhy do folks start to kind of
self-sabotage?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, self-sabotage aligns with fear self-sabotage
aligns with fear and it could befear of, well, maybe, the
person's and it here's.
The hard part is, when weself-sabotage, a lot of times
it's an unconscious behavioryeah, okay.
(23:47):
And a lot of times it is notintentional either, okay, it's,
you got to think about it.
The subconscious mind is likeautopilot, okay.
So if you immediately get thefeeling or the sense that this
person's going to reject you, oryou're not good enough or
you're unworthy, you couldsabotage yourself
unintentionally, because you areperceiving this scenario coming
(24:10):
into alignment and to avoid thepain and suffering of being
rejected or, let's say,humiliated or turned down, you
sabotage yourself and it canjust happen and it sucks.
I mean, I I look back at somescenarios of me when I, when I
(24:34):
was dating before I met myhusband and I was like, damn,
I've really sabotaged myselfthere.
But then when I stopped and Ilooked at it, I was like, well,
I kind of knew I wouldn't bewith that person anyway.
So I was just responding toknowing that perception that,
(24:57):
hey, that person really wasn't agood fit for me anyway.
So I sabotaged it.
So maybe I gave myself a giftof sabotage, because, but the
truth is, is when we don't feelthat fear and we know that
person really accepts us and wefeel safe with them and we trust
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them, we are less likely tosabotage it.
It's when fear gets involved,it's when you know that anxiety
gets involved and the paranoiaand the fearful thinking I mean
it could just be a blip likethis.
You know a quick thought, solike I'll give a scenario.
(25:39):
So let's say you're at arestaurant with a woman you met
and the waiter comes along andshe starts to kind of flirt with
them, yeah, and you strugglewith low self-esteem and low
self-worth.
That could get under your skinand just that behavior right
(26:00):
there can trigger someself-sabotage.
It can trigger where you're justlike, oh she's not the one for
me and you immediately go intojudgment.
You immediately start pickingit apart, picking it apart just
in your brain, thinking it,thinking it, watching the whole
engagement.
Some people will get jealous,some people will get insecure
(26:24):
and some people like me will belike I don't care, because I
know the person that I'm withisn't going to go home with that
waitress and maybe the waitress, yes, is cute and all of that.
But I'm secure in the personI'm with and I'm secure in me.
And if that's a behavior thatperson wants to do, then you
(26:47):
know in front of me, if Ihaven't said, you know like hey,
you know that was a little toomuch.
You know, maybe you made herfeel uncomfortable, but can you
see the difference in thisscenario?
Yeah, 100% If one is taking itpersonal, the other one doesn't
take it personal.
It's like hey, there are somepeople that are just flirts.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, and I'm just thinking about a lot of examples
, right, even in relationships,it can even be things that might
trigger you from some of thosecore wounds that you do have.
Right, it could be somebody whomaybe needs space and doesn't
talk to you as often as you'dlike to.
(27:31):
Maybe it's somebody who youknow.
Maybe they put their careerfirst, or whatever case may be.
It's so many different thingsthat you might take personally.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But it's an opportunity, like you mentioned
before, for you to discover whatthat is Right.
Maybe it is the person, butalso, too, it does give you an
opportunity to discover.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, and it also allows you to discover that you
know why.
Why am I attracted to thatperson?
Why?
Because what you're talkingabout now is attachment styles.
There is an anxious attachmentstyle.
There is an avoidant attachmentstyle.
So anyone that's really intotheir career and stuff, that's
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an avoidant attachment style.
They just go into their career.
They're not really into formingdeep, connected relationships
with someone.
You know it's nice to have aperson in their life every once
in a while, but their wholefocus is somewhere else.
It's not on forming thatrelationship.
And it is hard for an anxiousperson to be lined up with
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someone that is just not there,that avoidant that is so into
their work.
And what you really want is tocreate a secure attachment with
yourself and other people andthen, when you go out in the
dating world, try to see if youcould figure out what the
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person's attachment style is.
Is it anxious, is it avoidant,is it disorganized?
Disorganized is where they are.
I like to call them the badboys you know it's the it is or
the bad girls you know it's theones that don't trust authority
figures.
(29:28):
They're very, you know, angrysometimes.
You know it's, it's, it's myway, or the highway.
You know that that that kind ofkind of thing and you got it,
you got to look at it is how'sthat going to impact your peace
of mind?
It might be fun for a while buteventually, you know, it kind
(29:50):
of gets old and it gets kind oftired and you can get beat up
and, and you know, when do yousay enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
self-sabotage and maybe a journey of you know,
like you said fear of successright.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Where you start to get some progress and then
you're like, oh, can I handlethis?
You know, am I ready for this?
Am I ready to start to maybegive up some things?
Am I ready to be uncomfortable?
And have you know folks thatdepend on me in different things
(30:32):
?
Like that right?
These are other forms ofself-sabotage, where you stay
comfortable in who you are todayand what you have, as opposed
to kind of going towards yourdesired future state.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, a good example of that is I remember working
with one woman that was inconstant pain and I said to her
I think you're getting somethingpositive out of this pain.
And I said because if youbecome pain free completely, you
won't get your disability checkanymore.
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You're going to have to go backto work.
How do you feel about that?
Oh no, I can't do that.
I can't do that.
I can't do that.
She was really tied in to thatpaycheck, tied in to that pay,
(31:33):
that paycheck, and and I and Isaid, well, I can't really help
you.
Then, if you're not willing to,you know, work, work on the pain
, because you're.
There's a difference I mean,that's a whole other
conversation because there isphysical pain and then there's
emotional pain.
Because I've worked on peoplewhere they had pain in one side
of their body and then in themiddle of the session the pain
moved to the other side of thebody and they were like that was
(31:57):
trippy, and I said that'semotional pain, that's not
physical pain.
So you got to look at that partof your body that's
experiencing that pain.
What's stored there?
Because it's a memory and it'san emotion that's stored there.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, that is deep, that, folks, because I had
another guy on a podcast Hisname is Jonah Primo, and he was
having some pain as well andwhat he realized is that it was
(32:37):
keeping him in the house, it waskeeping him comfortable being
at home.
Hey, I'm in pain, so I don'thave to go out and associate
with people, I can just stay athome.
And the only reason why I'mstaying at home is because I
have migraines.
So I don't have to go out andassociate with people, I can
just stay at home.
And the only reason why I'mstaying at home is because I
have migraines and I haveheadaches, and so that's why I'm
not going out.
And so you have to kind of fightthrough it, kind of go through
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the pain of going out, and, asyou start to go out, become more
social.
Eventually these migrainesstarted to go away.
Is that necessarily what it is?
Is that what it is to kind ofstart to heal yourself?
Is it going out of your comfortzone and that's the healing
(33:21):
process, or is it other healingpractices that folks do before
they kind of step out and putaction behind maybe those fears
that they have?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, I mean, that is a really good question because
it really does all tie in and itdoes interconnect.
So a good example of that whichI think your listeners might
hopefully relate to, is Iremember working with a woman
that had cancer and the cancerwent away, went in remission,
(34:04):
and I had to have a serious talkwith her remission.
And I had to have a serioustalk with her and I said I want
to let you know that, um, thisconversation we're going to have
is going to be reallyuncomfortable, but my intention
is is, I don't want the cancerto come back, and I know you
feel the same way.
So I need to express to youthat, um, do you understand how
(34:27):
you manifested this cancerwithin you?
And she said I.
She said I've been thinkingabout it but I don't know.
I said well, let me tell youwhat I get.
Um, you are a people pleaser.
Before you came here, you weredriving your kids to all
activities.
You were literally the drivingmom.
(34:48):
Your kids were going to so manyactivities band practice,
swimming, soccer, this and thatthe husband worked all the time,
was never around.
You were stay at home mom,cooking, clean, doing all this
stuff.
It was exhausting for you.
And when you got cancer, all ofthat stopped and people focused
(35:10):
on you and people gaveattention to you and you got
your needs met instead of youmeeting everyone else's needs.
Now it was you.
And that felt good, didn't it?
And she's like, yeah, it did.
I said, but here's's my worry,and my concern is, now that
you're better, are they going toexpect that from you again, and
(35:33):
will you manifest that canceragain so you can get out of it?
So I said, and and she startedto think, and she's like I never
thought about it that way.
And I said so what I need youto do is I need you to set
healthy boundaries and you needto work with other people,
because what you were doing wasso stressful, you were burning
(35:55):
the candle at both ends.
And she admitted it.
She's like, yes, I was.
She's like it was nuts, all thethings that she, she did.
And she thought her kids neededall this.
You know, band and swimming andthis and that.
And she realized, um, she neverwants to ask them do you really
enjoy that?
Do you really want to do that?
(36:17):
And when she sat down and hadthe family meeting and talked to
them about this stuff, whichwas she had to have courage to
do.
They all agreed that, yes, wedon't want this to happen to you
again because we, you matter,you care, we care.
But they thought and believedthat she could handle it.
But in reality she couldn't.
(36:38):
She was.
She put too much on her plateand she got sick.
So to avoid getting sick again,she had to set boundaries.
She had to check in with herbody periodically.
Am I feeling too much stress?
Am I feeling too much tension?
Am I taking breaks out of myday to give back to me?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
you know, self-care, because that's what her healing
journey was all about wasself-care, self-care, self-care.
Yeah, so one thing you said wasmanifest.
You said manifest, right.
When I think about manifest, Ithink about manifesting
something of our dreams,manifesting our goals.
(37:20):
I haven't, and I have heard ofmanifesting things that you
don't want as well, and I haveheard of manifesting things that
you don't want as well, butI've never, I guess.
I don't know how consciousfolks are about that, about the
power that they have first ofall, and I think this is why
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consciousness is so important.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But that you can manifest things that aren't good
for you as well.
Yes, so if you're stuck in fearabout something that you think
is going to happen and you thinkabout it over and over and over
and over, you're feeding it.
We are energetic beings livingin a vibration, energetic world.
Okay, this is just a vessel,and when we, when this vessel
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deteriorates, our consciousnessand our spirit leave and it goes
okay.
And so the important thing tothink about is our consciousness
, as we we were talking aboutearlier is like a ball of clay,
because when you're first born,you have this nice little ball
(38:34):
of clay and everything you see,hear, feel, taste, touch,
experience molds.
That ball of clay, molds, it,molds it.
That ball of clay molds, it,molds it.
There's your teachers, yourpeers, religion, society,
culture all of that.
It molds, you, mold, you, moldyou.
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And the beautiful thing is, ifyou don't like how you're
perceiving the world, that'sbecause your consciousness is
perceiving it that way.
You need to shift yourconsciousness and view things
differently and take the trashout, so then you can mold who
(39:17):
you want to be, and a lot ofpeople want to be happy and
joyful and loving and giving andaccepting and forgiving and all
of those 4D and 5D states ofhuman consciousness.
That's connection, that'soneness, and 3D human
(39:38):
consciousness is all separation.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
So how can folks start to and I'm even thinking
about myself, so how can folksstart to and I'm even thinking
about myself start to mold thatclay to the person that they
want to be right?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I know a lot of folks out there.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
they're like man, you know.
They are struggling with anger,with pride, with shame, right,
Well, let's take money.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Let's take money.
Okay, a lot of people, you knowit's money, a lot of people are
stuck in not enough money, lackof money, and the thing is is
they never take intoconsideration gratitude.
Be grateful you got a roof overyour head because there's
(40:35):
people sleeping in tents.
Be grateful you got shoes onyour feet, because there's some
people that have holes in theirshoes or can't even afford shoes
.
They got them wrapped up, youknow, with with duct tape to
keep their shoes together.
There's there's people that arehungry.
There's people that don't havea car, that have to take the bus
(40:57):
.
There's people that ride bikes.
There's, you know, there's somany things that we forget to be
grateful for.
You get a paycheck every twoweeks.
That's consistent money comingin.
Be grateful, you have money topay your bills instead of hating
that bill you got to pay.
(41:17):
Be grateful because actuallythey loaned you that service
before they billed you.
So all that electricity you'reusing, they gave it to you first
.
So all that electricity you'reusing, they gave it to you first
(41:52):
.
Like, I worked with a woman thatwas struggling with of time
because they knew that you couldpay it off.
Hopefully they trusted you thatyou could pay it off, okay, pay
it off.
Okay, and and I said so pay offthe one that has the most
interest.
Make that your goal and be sograteful when you pay it off.
(42:13):
And next time just be moremindful, cause a lot of people
are like, oh, it's free money,it's free money, it's not free
money, it's not.
And it's that perception, youknow, and don't be mad.
You know, don't be mad.
It's, and and that's the hardpart is that's just one example
of money you can go out of fearand anger up into being new,
(42:37):
having neutrality about it.
Okay, yeah, I don't want to paythis bill, but I have to pay
this bill and I have the money.
Okay, and I'm very blessed thatI have the money to pay this
bill.
And I have the money, okay, andI'm very blessed that I have
the money to pay this.
You know, and it's just yourperception on money.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, Gratitude is so key because I feel like
gratitude is is something whereyou just need to sit and think
about it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
And it will raise your mood.
Oh yeah, instantaneously, allright.
So I feel like that's onepractice, and one practice that
I it's crazy because I got awayfrom it but I had to start doing
it again, which is just writingthree things that I'm grateful
for, and then you start torealize that you'll focus on
(43:26):
what you do have and not whatyou don't have.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Exactly, you know, and that's the whole thing is
your point of focus.
So I did a podcast about a itwas a testimonial podcast a
woman that wanted to getpregnant, and I've worked with
this.
I've known this woman for 10years and I actually helped her
(43:51):
manifest.
Her husband and they wanted tomanifest having a child and for
a year and a half they weretrying doing IVF, hormone
replacement therapy, all the.
It was a nightmare and she gotahold of me and said I'm, I
don't know if I can have a kid,I don't know what's going on.
(44:12):
You know, and I explained toher this is the issue.
You are stuck in force.
This baby wants to be createdout of love, not out of force,
not out of you know.
You trying to do it.
You're making sex a job, you'renot making love, and I said so.
(44:34):
What we need to do is we need totake that trash out and we need
to raise you up into the statesof 4D and 5D, and what you're
going to do is you're going tocreate this beautiful womb of
harmony and love.
And you're going to do isyou're going to create this
beautiful womb of harmony andlove and you're going to connect
to that baby because you canenergetically connect to it and
(44:54):
I want you to say that you'resorry and I want you to talk to
it and ask for it to forgive youand say that I'm so excited to
have this relationship with youand whenever you're ready to
come in, you can come in.
And so I had her connect tolove, peace, joy, bliss and
actually imagine the day thebaby's here and you're holding
(45:17):
it, you're loving it.
It's a beautiful experience.
You're one.
Well, I made that customrecording for her.
She listened and in 30 days shegot pregnant.
Yeah, so it was 500 and I think80 days of trying to make it
happen.
Trying to make it happen andyou let that all go.
(45:37):
You raise yourself up, youalign with.
I call the sweet spot, themagic of 5D human consciousness.
Sweet spot, the magic of 5Dhuman consciousness, which is
love, joy, peace, bliss, pureenlightenment, oneness and boom,
she manifested it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and you know when you're explaining that.
I think, about detachment, justbeing detached from the outcome
of things, and I think a lot.
We are very attached to thingswhere we need it to happen.
We have to have it happen Right, Like you said.
You said force.
We want to force something.
(46:16):
We want to kind of fit a squarepeg through a round hole Right
and force it to happen and ourvibration is very low Right, as
opposed to detaching from it and, like you said, doing it out of
love.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And allowing it to happen, taking pretty much
taking the stress out of yourlife, right, letting go of it,
right, right, yeah, that's sopowerful.
Um.
So tell me this um affirmations, right, um, are you a believer
(46:57):
in affirmations?
Is that another way of kind ofmolding that clay for folks to
start to kind of rewire those,um, inner critic, kind of
negative beliefs aboutthemselves?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
there's a lot I can say about affirmations.
I remember one time I wasworking with a lady that was
creating a vision board and shewanted rapid weight loss.
And I looked at her and I saiddo you really want that?
Because rapid weight loss ispainful and starvation and
(47:31):
struggle.
Wouldn't you rather have ahealthy lifestyle?
You know, it's shifting thatperspective and I once worked
with a lady that had arthritisand I opened up the book from
Louise Hay, heal your Body, andI read the affirmation and I
looked at her and I said I can'tsay this.
(47:52):
And she's like why?
I said well, you just sat hereand told me you hate yourself,
and it wants me to say I lovemyself, and and it wants me to
say this, this and this, and.
And I and I looked at her.
I said could you say that toyourself?
She's like no, and I'm likeokay, but could you say this?
(48:12):
Every day I'm learning to makepeace with myself.
Every day I'm being more gentlewith myself and every day I'm
going to give myself grace.
And today I'm going to be, I'mjust going to be kind to my body
(48:37):
.
I'm going to allow my body toheal the way it wants to heal.
And I said can you say that?
And she said, yes, I can saythat.
So the key thing withaffirmations is you have to be
congruent, neutral with whatyou're going to say.
If it does not align with that,it's hollow.
So a good example, josh, is Icould say in an argument heated
(48:59):
argument I love you and you'renot going to believe me.
Or I could say, josh, I reallylove you and you can feel it's
genuine.
You can feel when it's fake.
And our body is the same exactway we can feel when it's
genuine, we can feel when it'sfake.
So if you don't really mean itwhen you're saying these
(49:24):
affirmations, you're forcingyourself to say it.
It's hollow, it's hollow.
You have to mean it and youhave to feel it.
And so what I've learned overthe years of practice when
someone wants affirmations, theyask me to record it because I
(49:46):
can say it and I can mean itwhen I say it.
And some people want it so bad,but they can't say it to
themselves.
But they can receive it whensomeone else is saying it for
them because they're saying itwith a genuine heart.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, that's one thing I haven't really.
I I think a lot of folks wejust in it can become mature to
just say it hey, I'm just goingto say my applications and they
just say it, as opposed toreally being congruent with
actually meaning it and beinggenuine with it, right?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
yeah, so on.
I'm on insight timer and oninsight timer I actually have
some affirmations, a bunch ofaffirmations on there, and the
ones that I think are thecoolest are the ones that have
the double voice.
So me saying I accept myself,and the double voice and then
(50:48):
says yes, I do, yes, I do, I do,I accept myself, yes, I do.
And when you hear that itresonates it's like this
sincerity of yes, I do, I do,accept myself, I'm a good person
, yes, I am, yeah.
(51:13):
And so there are ways where youcan listen to positive
affirmations and just um, like asponge, just soak it up and
listen.
And the most important thing isanything that we do, that we
meditation or hypnosis or even,you know, guided imagery,
(51:34):
whatever it is.
You want to listen for 30 days,because it takes 30 days to
create a new habit, belief, youknow, pattern, your.
Well, there's a great movie Idon't know if you've ever seen
it and it might be free onYouTube.
It's called what the Bleep Dowe Know, and Joe Dispenza was
talking about anger and heshowed this lightning storm
(51:57):
going on and that's what happensin your brain.
So think about it is here's myhand and here's anger, and every
time you get angry, it getsmore power, more power, more
power.
And then it attaches, and thenit attaches to all these other
memories and scenarios which youget angry more often.
(52:18):
Now You've wired it in yourbrain Well, when you listen to,
let's say, hypnosis ormeditation, anything like that,
you're deactivating this.
You're taking the power away andyou're creating a new wire
which is I can be calm instressful situations, I can
(52:40):
disengage when someone tries totrigger me.
When I'm driving in my car, Ican stay calm and relaxed.
You're rewiring your brain, soyou're deactivating the negative
one and you're reinstalling apositive neural network is what
they call it.
It's a new neuron.
You're synapsis, you're makingit build, and it was really cool
(53:06):
how he showed that scenario inthat movie when they were
talking to him about anger, howit works so, dude, I um.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
So I'm sitting here, I'm looking at the uh, I'm on
your website, master, the upperrooms, uh dot com, and I'm
looking at the the list ofhabits, emotions, behavioral
patterns and mindset of humanconsciousness per vibrational
frequency rating.
And I know you and I we talkedabout how this is something that
(53:43):
is free and I'm taking a lookat it, and I'm even looking at
this myself of like, hey, youknow, where am I at, what level
am I at right now?
And also, too, I'm thinkingabout certain areas in my life,
my career.
I'm thinking about podcasting,business.
I'm thinking about my fitness,and I'm like, hey, what is my
(54:05):
attitude and emotions towardsthese areas, right, and I'm like
, ah, maybe I need to do betterat this right Certain areas.
And so I would love for you tokind of tell folks a little bit
more about this and kind ofwhere they can find you and
continue to follow your journey.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yes, so the website is mastertheupperroomscom and
there is a section where there'sfree stuff and the image that
he's talking about is a freeimage that people can get.
There's free MP3 downloads,there's free e-books, and so,
(54:46):
when you were talking aboutfitness, if you look at this
chart, if you're being moredemanding towards yourself, you
know like kind of judgmental Imean we can be towards our body,
I mean we are.
The biggest thing is to learn,to have the courage to just make
(55:07):
peace with your body, torealize that your body is fine
just the way it is right now.
And if you want to improve it,great, you can improve your
appearance or whatever, butdon't do it coming from a place
of you know I have to be perfect, I have to look this certain
way because someone's going tolove you, josh.
(55:30):
Well, this is a comment, a jokeI say for women, whether you
have that dimple on your butt ornot, okay, the person that's
going to love you isn't going tocare about that dimple or that
cellulite or that scar or yougot on your body.
They're not going to care.
They love the inner part of you.
(55:53):
You know, the exterior isalways a bonus, okay, but what
people?
When they do fall in love, it'sthat inner heart, that essence
that we fall in love with.
Yeah, cause there's adifference between lust and love
.
Because there's a differencebetween lust and love.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, 100%, 100%.
Like you know, lust is morelike just kind of, you know,
using somebody and it reallydoesn't even come from a.
Even when you come from alustful place, it doesn't even,
it's not even you.
To some degree it's almost,like, you know, an out of mind
(56:34):
type of experience, and so Ilove that.
And also, too I'm thinkingabout career, right, I think a
lot of folks you know they areit can be greed, it can be a
sense of pridefulness, it caneven be a sense of fear, like
(56:55):
hey, I'm looking for thispromotion and I'm scared that if
I don't do this then I won't beable to get this promotion, or
whatever the case may be, asopposed to just having an
understanding that timing isgoing to work out perfectly
Right and so, um, this andthat's that's.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
The important thing is is yes.
Um, sometimes I tell a lot ofpeople you gotta have faith and
stop focusing on what you don'twant and just take one day at a
time and and make the best ofthat one day, because that's
really where our place of poweris.
(57:35):
We have no control over thefuture.
We can't change the past.
Your place of power is rightnow the choices we make, the
thoughts we think and theactions that we take.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Where else can folks find you when?
Where else can folks kind offollow your journey?
Speaker 2 (57:57):
So I'm on.
Well, anyone can Google my name, cause it's not the typical
spelling it's K E R I E.
Last name, logan.
I'm on YouTube.
I'm on insight timer.
I have another website calledempowered within Um I.
(58:24):
There's lots of ways people canyou know, can can find me, and
I do offer a free 15 minuteconsultation.
Someone wants to, you know, seeif I'm a good fit.
I always say you know, check itout.
And when I do my coaching, I'mnot a typical coach.
Anyone will tell you that myfocus is to get you from point A
to point B and to figure outwhat is holding you back.
(58:45):
Is it something internally,like the thoughts you think
about yourself, self-sabotage oris it external, like your mom
or your dad or your partner?
What is it that's interferingwith you moving forward?
I love it.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, I'm looking at your YouTube channel website.
I mean, you've been creatingcontent.
I'm looking at a video from 12years ago, a meditation
releasing fear, guidedmeditation.
So it's so much out there thatyou have so much value that you
have, and for you to take thetime to add value to my show, I
(59:27):
definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, I'll give you a little humor here.
I definitely appreciate it.
Well, I'll give you a littlehumor here.
Yeah, my most popular video onthat Empowered Within YouTube
channel is me reading an Elmobook to my son.
A monster at the end of thisbook.
It was when my kiddo was likemy son's going to be 17 just
(59:49):
this week, but it's when he wasa little kid.
It is my most popular videobecause I can imitate, intimate
or make the sound of elmo.
Really well, it is yeah I knowit's kind of funny and yes, but
yeah, that channel's been aroundfor, I think, oh God, since
(01:00:11):
2010, or quite a while.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, well, I love it .
Well, carrie, I appreciate youand I'm looking forward to folks
hearing this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Thank you and I appreciate you as well, josh.
Thank you for taking your timeout of your day to talk with me,
so thank you 100%.
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