February 21, 2025 • 29 mins
"Have you ever felt lonely while surrounded by many people? Ministry can even be a very lonely place. Today we examine the critical need for self-care among pastors and church leaders to prevent burnout and sustain their ministry."
Have you ever wondered what it takes to truly care for oneself while serving others? Our latest episode promises to enhance your understanding of self-care in ministry, as we welcome Scott and Lynn Jackson from the Thrive Leadership Foundation. Through insightful parallels between engine maintenance and pastoral well-being, we explore how leaders can prioritize their own health to prevent burnout. With stories from real life and biblical teachings, we unravel the necessity of self-care as a fundamental practice for sustaining effective ministry, all while preserving personal and spiritual health.
Discover how the path to recovery from ministry burnout can be a journey of growth and healing. Guided by Romans 8:28, we delve into how God turns our brokenness into opportunities for transformation. Scott and Lynn share experiences of overcoming adversity, highlighting how partners, especially wives, play an essential role in this journey. We explore the power of setting boundaries and creating space for spiritual rejuvenation, offering a gentle reminder of the importance of pausing to listen to the Holy Spirit amid the busyness of life.
As we wrap up, we reflect on the transformative power of the Refresh Getaway retreats. Initially met with skepticism, these retreats become sanctuaries for pastors and their spouses, breaking isolation and fostering meaningful connections. We share heartfelt stories of renewal and gratitude, celebrating the lasting friendships formed and the divine support that makes these moments possible. Finally, we close with a blessing for our listeners, extending our appreciation for their continued support and looking forward to our next inspiring conversation.
Recorded after our 'PETE' performance during the 2025 America's Keswick's Pastors & Ministry Leaders Conference
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Scott Jackson, CEO & Co-Founder (husband)
Lynn Jackson, Co-Founder, Partnership Development (wife)
Thrive Leadership Foundation
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Lord you know, hey guys you are now listening to
Plays on Word Radio.
It's the best.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
You know, the engines that last the longest are the
ones that have maintenance done,you know.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
That's right, man.
Change the oil, change thespark plugs, change the belts.
That's right, amen, you don'twant to wait until the check
engine light's on and you're 300miles from home.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yes, and unfortunately many pastors are
like you know.
The dashboard's all lit up andthey're like well, I can still
make it another 50 miles.
This is hitting a little tooclose home for Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Too soon.
Yeah, yeah, you're the onlyname.
You're the only name.
You're the only name.
Hello and welcome to Plays onWord Radio, where we discuss,
(01:05):
analyze, work and play on theWord of God.
Thank you for joining us onthis excursion today.
Let's join Pastor Teddy, alsoknown as Fred David Kenny Jr,
the founder of Plays on WordTheater, as he does a deep dive
into the Word of God.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, Hallelujah, amen, amen, amen.
Welcome back all of you toPlays on Word Radio.
Thank you very much, katieKenney and Josh Taylor, for that
intro.
We are going to continue withScott and Lynn Jackson from the
Thrive Leadership Foundation,this conversation we started
last week.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Check it out we cannot love others well if we're
not taking care of ourselves.
And so many people in ministrythey'll say, well, I'd rather
burn out than rust out.
And I heard someone say, well,why do you want to do?
Either you're out either way,you know, let's.
Let's not burn out or rust out,but it's take care of the
(02:01):
little things so that we cantruly love and care for those
around us.
We will not be as effective inanything we do if we are not
taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I think part of the challenge too.
What I love about both programsis it's not just, like you said
, taking time out to take careof yourself, but a lot of people
don't know how you know,because when we're in ministry.
how many times has someone cometo you with a problem or issue
when it's not your own?
You have focus, you knowexactly.
You can direct them toscripture and you can.
(02:33):
You know you can show them theway.
But when it comes to our ownstuff in quotes, we don't know
how.
And you guys show us how, bothprograms you know, for couples
and for the women, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That brings up something interesting.
So I'm going to play thetypical guy whose wife says, hey
, we should probably go to thisthing.
Not just the typical guy, thepastor guy.
I don't need to go to anotherseminar and just give me a bunch
of a bullet list of things Ineed to stop doing or need to
not do.
Is that what I'm going to runinto if I come to the refresh?
(03:11):
Am I going to get a bullet listof just what could I expect if
I go?
I mean, I could probably answerthat, but I'm going to let you
guys in.
I'm playing the advocate here.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, the idea is not to come and fill a notebook
full of notes and to have everyminute filled.
The idea is to come and to stopto slow down, to come as a
child of God, not as a pastorand a pastor's wife, and to
allow yourself to breathe alittle bit.
(03:42):
And we do have sessions, buthopefully they're short and
sweet and we give you things tothink about and to go and talk
to your spouse about, and thenyou have some downtime, you know
, to get refreshed and to getrenewed.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I think to go along with that is it's a small
gathering, so it's not like it'san overwhelming huge group of
people.
It's six to eight couples.
But it's the idea that as youstart hearing other people's
stories, you go like, oh, I'mnot the only one that struggles
like this, I'm not the only onethat feels this way, because so
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often I think those in ministryfeel so isolated because if they
share with their congregationor if they share with their
leadership team, they may losetheir job, and so Just for
sharing the fact that they'rehuman and they're feeling a
certain way or they're dealingwith something.
Exactly, exactly, and so to havethem come to refresh and that's
(04:40):
why we call it refresh.
We want you to come and getrefreshed.
We don't want you to have anotebook full of notes that
you're not going to do anythingwith.
We want you to come and getrefreshed and get recharged, or
at least begin to learn.
How do I do that?
Because no one teaches us that.
For the most part, no oneteaches us how to continually
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get refreshed.
And so Jesus teaches us that hecontinually took his disciples
away.
Okay, we need to get away.
I need to get away.
He would say.
Well, that sounds self-absorbed.
No, that's called self-care.
And Jesus modeled self-care,even of himself.
In his humanity he modeled thatself-care.
He had to get alone with hisfather.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He had to get away from the crowd get in the boat,
let's go to the other side.
He knew the importance ofgetting away to be able to
recharge.
That was very impressive to me.
That impressed on me when wewent.
Now I'm going to speak assomebody, as an alumni, and it
was very impressive and I had.
Do you normally see the guyscome in and be a little wound up
or whatever, be a littleagitated?
And then I know for me, mypersonal experience I was like,
(05:51):
okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna gobecause I'm gonna honor my wife
, I'm gonna try to love her asChrist loves the church.
She really wants to go.
So, okay, I'll go, I'll go andI went and I'm sitting there and
it took me.
Maybe a few hours, but then Iwas just like I wait, I can, I
can relax and I'm sitting thereand it took me maybe a few hours
.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But then I was like wait, I can relax and I don't
know if it was you or Scott.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
One of you was like you just need to relax.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I think I even asked you guys want me to do a?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
play for you, or something.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And you're like no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You are not on Right.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I was like wait.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I actually I can turn the car off for a minute.
I can turn the engine off.
Let me try it.
And it was because it was asafe place and I was able to oh,
wait a minute, wow, and some ofthe things that were reinforced
, that you guys taught us andthat we spoke about.
It's great to be around otherpeople Like I think, of the
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relationships that we formedlifetime relationships with
people at your retreat.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think that and it's funny that you said that,
because I was going to mentionit too and I think that's
attributed to the fact that itis so intimate You're not in
front of 200 people, which youknow there's a place for that as
well but because it's sointimate, we're at a conference
right now at America's Keswick,for pastors and ministry leaders
and some of the brothers andsisters that we met at both of
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your conferences like you said,like Ted said, we have lifelong
friendships with them and wepicked up right where we left
off.
And it's because we came to aplace together and we're all
vulnerable together and we'reable to take your core, the core
principles that you gave us,and implement them.
And I'm going to get teared up,it's just.
(07:36):
It's just.
It's a beautiful thing to seemy brothers and sisters again.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This is so.
So thank you for that.
Well, this is really good tohear, because let me tell you
how it evolved to that Becausewe were planning Ref refresh in
the very beginning and I love aparty Like, if we're going to
have four people, well, weshould have at least eight.
Well, if we're going to haveeight, you know well what about
(08:02):
this person and that person.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Scott was so calm and so focused.
Six to eight nobody's going sofocused.
Six to eight Nobody's going tohide.
Six to eight Everyone will beseen.
Six to eight couples Everyonewill be heard.
And I'm oh, that sounds soboring.
I think they're going to bebored.
Scott, I think we need aminimum of 12, 12 couples.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We stuck with the six to eight Twelve dozen is what
you really would like to say.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Oh yeah, I mean there's 12 rooms at the inn.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There were 12 disciples.
Come on.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's a biblical number, it is the lady was
bleeding for 12 years.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The kid was 12 years older, so seven.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There you go.
So I have actually followed themodel and for Gentle Warriors,
I'm focusing on six to eightwomen as well.
And nobody hides, everybody isseen, everybody is heard,
everybody is valued, and thenthese relationships are genuine
(09:04):
and they do form and they dolast afterward and I'm telling
you, leadership is lonely.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It is right, you are isolated.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You guys, you, you guys lived it.
It's not academic for you it'snot like you read this in a book
, right you?
This is coming from experience,right, exactly, exactly, yeah,
yeah, I mean I burned out as apastor.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There's a number of contributing factors to that,
but I, I burned out as a pastorand never a number of
contributing factors to that,but I, I burned out as a pastor
and never thought I'd preachanother sermon, uh, you know.
So, at going through that andthen beginning to say, katie,
back to your point that a lot ofwhat we teach people is how to
deal or how to prevent.
That is because of what I'velearned, what what Lynn has
(09:45):
learned in our own experience,of what I have found that helps
me and how I can challengepeople.
Okay, what I do might not bethe exact thing you do, but here
are some things to look foralong the way to make sure you
put in some refreshment, to makesure you get recharged, to make
sure you come apart, so youdon't come apart, and so
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building some of those thingsinto our ministry is critical.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's amazing that only God could take the wheels
falling off of something andsomething falling apart and
8-2-8 it into.
That's Romans.
8-2-8 for you biblicallyilliterate folks.
828 it and make it worktogether.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I was wondering what you were saying, ted.
He said don't worry.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Okay, great Strike that I take it back.
Edit Romans 828.
God's working.
He's going to make this work,and so the fact that you burned
out and the fact that, like thewheels were coming off for you,
is actually going forward.
The Lord allowed that.
(10:57):
He didn't have to, he could havestepped in and said, no, I'm
going to keep my man from goingoff the rails, but he let it
happen.
And the beauty of what'shappening.
I'm sorry that it happened, butI'm glad it happened.
It's just as bizarre becauseit's gone forward to touch
others in the body of Christ.
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And that's how God works.
He takes something that youwould think.
If I was to interview you atthe time and say you think this
is a good thing, you'd probablybe like no, this is not a good
thing what I'm going through,right now.
But our God can take brokenthings.
In fact, he specializes intaking broken things,
specifically broken tools.
(11:38):
He's the only only contractorI've ever seen work with broken
tools and make masterpieces.
That shows how spectacular heis is and he's worthy of praise
because he works with brokentools.
You ask any mechanic, anycarpenter can you do what you're
doing with if your song wasbroken?
They'd like no, I can't.
(11:58):
My tools need to be workingright.
But God takes broken tools andmakes masterpiece, didn't sure?
And I think he, and I think heenjoys using broken tools
because it shows how spectacular, how awesome he really is.
He's like using a perfectlyfine tool is one thing, but
(12:21):
we're going to use a broken tooland make something special with
it.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I heard this recently in a Bible study, just talking
about, you know, our jobs asdisciples, and it talked about
how it doesn't end when we justcome and we profess Christ and
we're saved.
He wants us to go out, he wantsus to, you know, to go forward,
but he also wants us to be amiracle in someone else's life.
You know, and it's inCorinthians, you know, basically
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our hurts are for someoneelse's healing 's.
It's all biblical, biblicallybased, and you know when we can
look at it.
And that's where that phrasereally comes into.
It comes into view when wecount it.
All joy in the midst of that.
And you took that brokennessand turned it into something so
other people don't have to be,and that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's a beautiful thing also for those of you
listening.
It adds credibility because youguys have been through it.
You're not speaking from a bookthat you read You're like no,
let me give you some real worldexperience from being on the
other side of beat down.
And when I say burnout it's notbecause, you know, I got my
(13:28):
masters in it and I read aboutit, you know I went to a couple
conferences and learned aboutburnout.
No, I have the scars to show you.
There's something differentwith credibility when you guys
have been through it, so that'swhy that's another reason why
when I went to, when I went towhat your retreat, that I was
more apt to listen, especiallywhen you started, when you said
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I was there and you know Ididn't.
I didn't even know what washappening to me.
And Lynn you said you'redecompressing man.
Yeah Right, because you werelike what's?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
what's happening?
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
man.
Sure, that was my reenacting ofit.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
That'll be another play, so that's important and as
women walking next to our menyeah you know, as a gentle
warrior, to try to be gentlewith our husbands and yet fight.
You know how do you do that howdo you do that?
and it is on our knees and beingreal with them.
(14:31):
And I remember going to Scottand just saying, are you happy?
Like, do you enjoy what you'redoing?
And it would always every timeI love what I'm doing, I love
preaching the word.
But he looked like the walkingdead to me, like he was
emotionally flat, um, and so Iwas like, okay, and then I would
(14:53):
come back, you know, maybe afew months later do you like
what you're doing?
Are you happy?
I love what I'm doing.
And so then it was like, well,maybe I'm reading him wrong.
It's gets me behind me, satan.
So I'm like I just let him go.
I thought okay, okay, but heliterally was at my fingertips,
drowning, I couldn't reach himand, um, it's a scary place to
(15:16):
be.
As a wife, I don't have anyanswers other than it's real and
it's scary and it's hard towait for your men and but that's
.
We had the privilege of havingan elder who saw it as well, and
so he stepped in and, um, but alot of people don't have you
(15:38):
don't have that right, and so wewould love refresh to be not a
fix it, but just a, maybe just agentle voice saying what your
wife has been saying, or sayingwhat your wife has been saying,
or saying what your husband hasbeen saying, or just God to use
it as a gentle nudge, just toallow some of the noise to be
(15:59):
gone for those three days sothat you will hear the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And nudging.
Just to be able to turn theengine off.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
for me was and leaders don't know how to stop.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I didn't understand the word no.
No, I didn't completely get it.
I didn't understand the powerin the word no.
That's a complete sentence.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
No, but Scott has been away from the pastorate for
how many years now 18?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
18 years.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
And he still I think he has PTSD will walk in on a
Sunday morning and he's in thepastor mode.
And I'm like we're here toworship.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You know, stop it, stop it.
It's a gear shift.
You have to okay, put it okaynow, yeah, all right, and you
don't even know you're on.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You don't know, you do not as a leader, you don't,
you do not as a leader, youdon't even know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I think God wired us to a certain extent that we just
we come on like the motiondetector lights, you know
outside some moves and okay, nowwe're in that mode.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
There we go, we're sure but I'm gonna tell you what
.
Mama Jackson's gonna speak herefor a minute amen because there
is an addiction to ministrythat is unhealthy and you don't
know if you're off or you're on.
Somebody just said amen onlineand there's a difference of
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pursuing Jesus and pursuing theministry.
It is totally different and ifyou can't tell if you're off or
you're on, you've got somethinggoing, that's off, it's off.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Some people get so worked up into working for Jesus
.
They're not working with Jesus.
There's a difference.
If you're working, with JesusHuge difference.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Or are you?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
working for Jesus, Because when you're working with
the boss there's a littledifference, especially when the
boss is a good boss and he'scarrying the load and carrying
the weight for you well, evenyou know, and I'm not I don't
know if this is for me, not evenas a ministry leader, but just
as a child of god who wants topursue jesus.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Um, just this last year I have I felt more driven
and it's not I'm trying tofigure it out myself right now,
but driven to be there enough tobe there enough to be there
enough to be there enough.
And it's been driving me andI've been getting way too tired
and just coming away just atthis conference right now.
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The Lord's really gotten myattention with.
Are you following me?
Are you following Jesus?
Are you being driven?
to do more and it's very hard toself-examine on your own and
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I'm an outside processor, like Ineed to talk to process it.
And when you can get away witha group six to eight couples,
six to eight women there's timeto process with other people.
And because it's tricky, it istricky and in leadership it's
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hard to turn it off.
I don't know if it's hard toturn it off, I don't know if
it's making any sense.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Absolutely, it absolutely does, and I just want
to say that all that you wentthrough I'm sorry that you went
through that, but that you bothwent through that, because I
know, as Scott was going throughit.
Lynn, you were trying to besupportive and you were going
through it as well.
How can I be supportive to myhusband when we don't know
what's going on?
But I want to thank you forbeing vulnerable to share that
with the rest of us becausebecause of that, as we discussed
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earlier, you know and, um, wehave, we are better equipped.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
so I'm sorry it happened, but I thank you well
and there's a place it's likeokay, being angry at my man's
not gonna move them.
You know, being sweet isn'tgonna move them.
I just stick and dynamite.
You know you've got to stepback and then just say help and
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then see if God surround youwith people or brings you to a
conference or has an elder whosteps in.
It's tricky business.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So I know you guys want to get on the road.
Yes, but before Scott hassomething, he has something, no.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I come back to something you said earlier, Ted.
You mentioned about when youcame or when pastors come to the
Refresh Getaway.
What's kind of their posturewhen they come?
I'll call it that yes, Allright, and often it's sitting
with folded arms, just sittingback, kind of say okay, am I
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really going to take thesepeople seriously?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What are they going to be asking from me?
Why am I here?
Why?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
am I here and we have found that if we, if Lynn,
talks to the wives, they come.
They may come dragging theirheels, their heel marks on the
driveway and, you know, draggingtheir husbands to something
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like this.
But then and your experiencehas been this but then you start
seeing, okay, maybe the armscome down after the first
session, this first morning, youknow they see there's a little
bit more that they can.
Okay, they can start leaning innow and by the end of the
second day, you know, we'restarting to see smiles come on
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people's faces, we're startingto see people lighten up to
where, the third morning, youknow, there's laughter, there's
interaction, there's no one sortof holding their wall up
anymore, but they've kind ofopened themselves up and we've
seen that happen time and timeand time again, especially for
the pastors.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And the wives when they come, like on a Friday
night through Saturday or Mondaythrough Wednesday, they look
different.
When they come like on a Fridaynight through Saturday or
Monday through Wednesday, theylook different.
When they leave they come andthey are look so weary and so
worn out, but by the time theyleave, the wives, they literally
look different they'rerefreshed they are, and the men
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don't have their arms crossedand they're laughing and I think
part of it is just recognizingwhat wow I'm.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I thought, I thought I was the only one yes, it
breaks the isolation.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's wait a minute .
They're going through somethinglike, yeah, and so I remember
listening to just people talkingand just, and, and we have
lifetime fellowship, friendshipand just brothers and sisters
now in Christ that wereestablished there, and in part
because for me I was like, wow,other pastors struggle with X, y
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, z, whatever it might be, andI'm like, wow, okay, and that's
when the walls started comingdown.
Yeah, you know I'm not goingwow, okay, okay, and that's when
the walls started coming downyeah.
You know, oh, I'm not going tobe preached at, I'm not going to
be thrown a bullet list of stopdoing this and do that and
things you should do.
And I'm like, wait, and thething that really got me was,
dude, you just need to turn thecar off, just turn the engine
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off and once.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was able to turn the engine off, I was like, oh
wow, look, there's a cornfield.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know the place was great, yeah, no, I just
wanted.
I want to ask, as we wind down,um, so what's next for for
Thrive Foundation?
And or like, how can we supportyou, how can we pray um what's
what's on your heart for thatthey they embrace each other
Honestly not to just throw wordsout there, but we really truly
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are pursuing Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, we feel like we need to maybe adjust some
things and shake some things upthat we're doing.
I mean, honestly, one of themost difficult things is getting
couples to come, Gettingcouples to commit.
You know we say six to eightcouples and you think, oh,
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that's no big deal.
To get six to eight couples tocome to a refresh is hard.
It takes a lot of energy andeffort to get that many couples.
I mean, I'm talking aboutinviting 60 to 80 couples to get
6 to 8 to come.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
We were whining to our mentors about this.
And he said well, that's 10%.
I think you're doing prettygood.
I'm like you're kidding me.
10% is good.
I do not understand it, but Ido think there's a lot of
spiritual warfare going on.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yes, sure, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I think there's a lot of spiritual warfare going on
and we applaud those who canfight their way through it and
get there, because it is hard.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
If I was on the enemy's's team, I would be doing
everything I could to stop thepastors from going there, and
the wives yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I will be trying to keep that top of mind too as we
talk to people, because I knowpastors like to plan.
You know we're at the beginningof the year.
Think about you know if you'rehaving something in the fall.
You know, I just want to putthis on your radar, you know,
and we will do everything.
We will keep that in prayer foryou.
Your continual pursuit ofchrist and um and, and god knows
(25:18):
how he wants this formed andhe's going to answer that for
you and whatever those answersare, we're going to be praying
for that.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, you guys and I do want to say we live on
support and our supporters giveabove and beyond so we are able
to scholarship um couples tocome and we're able to
scholarship.
I can't believe it just for thewomen to come to the gentle
warriors you know we ask for adeposit and our supporters will
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cover, cover the costs for the,the lodging and the rooms, which
is so beautiful it's sobeautiful amen.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's unbelievable yeah, we're astounded and we've
got lifelong friends with youguys.
Yes, I mean, that's part of itfor us.
You know, we look at what'sgoing on.
I I looked around the room andthere I don't know how many
couples are in there that havebeen to our refresh getaways,
not looking to say, oh, look atall these people that have come
to our thing, but it's peoplethat we've developed friendships
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and relationships with over theyears because of what god's
enabled us to do and allowed usto do.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So it's, it's a really beautiful your friendship
with us is is precious I alwayssay that in in ministry in
general, that god keepsintroducing us to more family,
and that's how we truly look atyou guys, oh us to you.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
We call you our kids.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Lord, support these kids.
Help these kids get morefinancial support.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Amen to you listening right now.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Support this.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Plays on word ministry.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Scott and Lynn Jackson, we will put links in
the show notes.
So if you're listening to thisnow, we will put links in the
show notes.
So if you're listening to youguys, if you're listening to
this now, we'll put links inthere that you could send to
your pastor.
So if you guys heard this andyou know your pastors listen,
they need your prayers, theyneed your support, but some of
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you listening your pastors rightnow need to refresh.
Some of you listening yourpastors right now need to
refresh.
They might be putting a smileyface on and looking like
everything's fine, but theymight need to refresh.
And maybe it's up to you toforward on this information.
And if you can't find it, justgive us a call, reach out, send
us an email something, send me atext and we can put you in
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contact with these guys and forthose pastors where everything
is fine.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
let's keep it that way.
Come out to refresh.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You don't have to be falling apart at the seams to
come to refresh.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
The engines that last the longest are the ones that
have maintenance done.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Change the oil Change the spark plugs.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Change the belts, that's right.
You don't want to Change thebelts, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You don't want to wait until the check engine
light's on and you're 300 milesfrom home.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And unfortunately many pastors are like you know.
The dashboard's all lit up andthey're like well, I can still
make it another 50 miles.
This is hitting a little tooclose home for Katie.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Too soon, dude.
We'll link to that podcast.
Our truck broke down.
It's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
The wheels are falling off, is that?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
overshadowing.
The wheels fell off.
People are going to have funwith that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Thank you so much for being on Plays on Word Radio
Again.
This is turning into a yearlyevent, so, God willing, if the
Lord tarries and we're all alive, next year we'll do another
interview, but maybe we can getanother interview.
I need to put you together withPastor Cliff, the historian,
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and I will pay money to have youtwo in the same room and we can
just talk Civil War.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We'll get our buddy Dave Locke on that too, and then
we can just we can talkAmerican history and Christ.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Zoom is a beautiful thing.
Yeah, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So okay, guys, so next week we'll be back on the
air, god willing, and thank youfor being here for Plays.
All World Radio Thanks guysAmen.
Amen, amen, amen.
Thank you very much, scott andLynn Jackson.
All right, you guys.
Thank you all for listening.
Till next week.
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord make his face to shineupon you and be gracious to you
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.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
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Speaker 3 (00:06):
You know, the engines that last the longest are the
ones that have maintenance done,you know.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
That's right, man.
Change the oil, change thespark plugs, change the belts.
That's right, amen, you don'twant to wait until the check
engine light's on and you're 300miles from home.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yes, and unfortunately many pastors are
like you know.
The dashboard's all lit up andthey're like well, I can still
make it another 50 miles.
This is hitting a little tooclose home for Katie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Too soon.
Yeah, yeah, you're the onlyname.
You're the only name.
You're the only name.
Hello and welcome to Plays onWord Radio, where we discuss,
(01:05):
analyze, work and play on theWord of God.
Thank you for joining us onthis excursion today.
Let's join Pastor Teddy, alsoknown as Fred David Kenny Jr,
the founder of Plays on WordTheater, as he does a deep dive
into the Word of God.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, Hallelujah, amen, amen, amen.
Welcome back all of you toPlays on Word Radio.
Thank you very much, katieKenney and Josh Taylor, for that
intro.
We are going to continue withScott and Lynn Jackson from the
Thrive Leadership Foundation,this conversation we started
last week.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Check it out we cannot love others well if we're
not taking care of ourselves.
And so many people in ministrythey'll say, well, I'd rather
burn out than rust out.
And I heard someone say, well,why do you want to do?
Either you're out either way,you know, let's.
Let's not burn out or rust out,but it's take care of the
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little things so that we cantruly love and care for those
around us.
We will not be as effective inanything we do if we are not
taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I think part of the challenge too.
What I love about both programsis it's not just, like you said
, taking time out to take careof yourself, but a lot of people
don't know how you know,because when we're in ministry.
how many times has someone cometo you with a problem or issue
when it's not your own?
You have focus, you knowexactly.
You can direct them toscripture and you can.
(02:33):
You know you can show them theway.
But when it comes to our ownstuff in quotes, we don't know
how.
And you guys show us how, bothprograms you know, for couples
and for the women, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That brings up something interesting.
So I'm going to play thetypical guy whose wife says, hey
, we should probably go to thisthing.
Not just the typical guy, thepastor guy.
I don't need to go to anotherseminar and just give me a bunch
of a bullet list of things Ineed to stop doing or need to
not do.
Is that what I'm going to runinto if I come to the refresh?
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Am I going to get a bullet listof just what could I expect if
I go?
I mean, I could probably answerthat, but I'm going to let you
guys in.
I'm playing the advocate here.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, the idea is not to come and fill a notebook
full of notes and to have everyminute filled.
The idea is to come and to stopto slow down, to come as a
child of God, not as a pastorand a pastor's wife, and to
allow yourself to breathe alittle bit.
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And we do have sessions, buthopefully they're short and
sweet and we give you things tothink about and to go and talk
to your spouse about, and thenyou have some downtime, you know
, to get refreshed and to getrenewed.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I think to go along with that is it's a small
gathering, so it's not like it'san overwhelming huge group of
people.
It's six to eight couples.
But it's the idea that as youstart hearing other people's
stories, you go like, oh, I'mnot the only one that struggles
like this, I'm not the only onethat feels this way, because so
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often I think those in ministryfeel so isolated because if they
share with their congregationor if they share with their
leadership team, they may losetheir job, and so Just for
sharing the fact that they'rehuman and they're feeling a
certain way or they're dealingwith something.
Exactly, exactly, and so to havethem come to refresh and that's
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why we call it refresh.
We want you to come and getrefreshed.
We don't want you to have anotebook full of notes that
you're not going to do anythingwith.
We want you to come and getrefreshed and get recharged, or
at least begin to learn.
How do I do that?
Because no one teaches us that.
For the most part, no oneteaches us how to continually
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get refreshed.
And so Jesus teaches us that hecontinually took his disciples
away.
Okay, we need to get away.
I need to get away.
He would say.
Well, that sounds self-absorbed.
No, that's called self-care.
And Jesus modeled self-care,even of himself.
In his humanity he modeled thatself-care.
He had to get alone with hisfather.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He had to get away from the crowd get in the boat,
let's go to the other side.
He knew the importance ofgetting away to be able to
recharge.
That was very impressive to me.
That impressed on me when wewent.
Now I'm going to speak assomebody, as an alumni, and it
was very impressive and I had.
Do you normally see the guyscome in and be a little wound up
or whatever, be a littleagitated?
And then I know for me, mypersonal experience I was like,
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okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna gobecause I'm gonna honor my wife
, I'm gonna try to love her asChrist loves the church.
She really wants to go.
So, okay, I'll go, I'll go andI went and I'm sitting there and
it took me.
Maybe a few hours, but then Iwas just like I wait, I can, I
can relax and I'm sitting thereand it took me maybe a few hours
.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But then I was like wait, I can relax and I don't
know if it was you or Scott.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
One of you was like you just need to relax.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I think I even asked you guys want me to do a?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
play for you, or something.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And you're like no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You are not on Right.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I was like wait.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I actually I can turn the car off for a minute.
I can turn the engine off.
Let me try it.
And it was because it was asafe place and I was able to oh,
wait a minute, wow, and some ofthe things that were reinforced
, that you guys taught us andthat we spoke about.
It's great to be around otherpeople Like I think, of the
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relationships that we formedlifetime relationships with
people at your retreat.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think that and it's funny that you said that,
because I was going to mentionit too and I think that's
attributed to the fact that itis so intimate You're not in
front of 200 people, which youknow there's a place for that as
well but because it's sointimate, we're at a conference
right now at America's Keswick,for pastors and ministry leaders
and some of the brothers andsisters that we met at both of
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your conferences like you said,like Ted said, we have lifelong
friendships with them and wepicked up right where we left
off.
And it's because we came to aplace together and we're all
vulnerable together and we'reable to take your core, the core
principles that you gave us,and implement them.
And I'm going to get teared up,it's just.
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It's just.
It's a beautiful thing to seemy brothers and sisters again.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
This is so.
So thank you for that.
Well, this is really good tohear, because let me tell you
how it evolved to that Becausewe were planning Ref refresh in
the very beginning and I love aparty Like, if we're going to
have four people, well, weshould have at least eight.
Well, if we're going to haveeight, you know well what about
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this person and that person.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Scott was so calm and so focused.
Six to eight nobody's going sofocused.
Six to eight Nobody's going tohide.
Six to eight Everyone will beseen.
Six to eight couples Everyonewill be heard.
And I'm oh, that sounds soboring.
I think they're going to bebored.
Scott, I think we need aminimum of 12, 12 couples.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We stuck with the six to eight Twelve dozen is what
you really would like to say.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Oh yeah, I mean there's 12 rooms at the inn.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There were 12 disciples.
Come on.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's a biblical number, it is the lady was
bleeding for 12 years.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The kid was 12 years older, so seven.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There you go.
So I have actually followed themodel and for Gentle Warriors,
I'm focusing on six to eightwomen as well.
And nobody hides, everybody isseen, everybody is heard,
everybody is valued, and thenthese relationships are genuine
(09:04):
and they do form and they dolast afterward and I'm telling
you, leadership is lonely.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It is right, you are isolated.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You guys, you, you guys lived it.
It's not academic for you it'snot like you read this in a book
, right you?
This is coming from experience,right, exactly, exactly, yeah,
yeah, I mean I burned out as apastor.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There's a number of contributing factors to that,
but I, I burned out as a pastorand never a number of
contributing factors to that,but I, I burned out as a pastor
and never thought I'd preachanother sermon, uh, you know.
So, at going through that andthen beginning to say, katie,
back to your point that a lot ofwhat we teach people is how to
deal or how to prevent.
That is because of what I'velearned, what what Lynn has
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learned in our own experience,of what I have found that helps
me and how I can challengepeople.
Okay, what I do might not bethe exact thing you do, but here
are some things to look foralong the way to make sure you
put in some refreshment, to makesure you get recharged, to make
sure you come apart, so youdon't come apart, and so
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building some of those thingsinto our ministry is critical.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's amazing that only God could take the wheels
falling off of something andsomething falling apart and
8-2-8 it into.
That's Romans.
8-2-8 for you biblicallyilliterate folks.
828 it and make it worktogether.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I was wondering what you were saying, ted.
He said don't worry.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Okay, great Strike that I take it back.
Edit Romans 828.
God's working.
He's going to make this work,and so the fact that you burned
out and the fact that, like thewheels were coming off for you,
is actually going forward.
The Lord allowed that.
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He didn't have to, he could havestepped in and said, no, I'm
going to keep my man from goingoff the rails, but he let it
happen.
And the beauty of what'shappening.
I'm sorry that it happened, butI'm glad it happened.
It's just as bizarre becauseit's gone forward to touch
others in the body of Christ.
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And that's how God works.
He takes something that youwould think.
If I was to interview you atthe time and say you think this
is a good thing, you'd probablybe like no, this is not a good
thing what I'm going through,right now.
But our God can take brokenthings.
In fact, he specializes intaking broken things,
specifically broken tools.
(11:38):
He's the only only contractorI've ever seen work with broken
tools and make masterpieces.
That shows how spectacular heis is and he's worthy of praise
because he works with brokentools.
You ask any mechanic, anycarpenter can you do what you're
doing with if your song wasbroken?
They'd like no, I can't.
(11:58):
My tools need to be workingright.
But God takes broken tools andmakes masterpiece, didn't sure?
And I think he, and I think heenjoys using broken tools
because it shows how spectacular, how awesome he really is.
He's like using a perfectlyfine tool is one thing, but
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we're going to use a broken tooland make something special with
it.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I heard this recently in a Bible study, just talking
about, you know, our jobs asdisciples, and it talked about
how it doesn't end when we justcome and we profess Christ and
we're saved.
He wants us to go out, he wantsus to, you know, to go forward,
but he also wants us to be amiracle in someone else's life.
You know, and it's inCorinthians, you know, basically
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our hurts are for someoneelse's healing 's.
It's all biblical, biblicallybased, and you know when we can
look at it.
And that's where that phrasereally comes into.
It comes into view when wecount it.
All joy in the midst of that.
And you took that brokennessand turned it into something so
other people don't have to be,and that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's a beautiful thing also for those of you
listening.
It adds credibility because youguys have been through it.
You're not speaking from a bookthat you read You're like no,
let me give you some real worldexperience from being on the
other side of beat down.
And when I say burnout it's notbecause, you know, I got my
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masters in it and I read aboutit, you know I went to a couple
conferences and learned aboutburnout.
No, I have the scars to show you.
There's something differentwith credibility when you guys
have been through it, so that'swhy that's another reason why
when I went to, when I went towhat your retreat, that I was
more apt to listen, especiallywhen you started, when you said
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I was there and you know Ididn't.
I didn't even know what washappening to me.
And Lynn you said you'redecompressing man.
Yeah Right, because you werelike what's?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
what's happening?
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
man.
Sure, that was my reenacting ofit.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
That'll be another play, so that's important and as
women walking next to our menyeah you know, as a gentle
warrior, to try to be gentlewith our husbands and yet fight.
You know how do you do that howdo you do that?
and it is on our knees and beingreal with them.
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And I remember going to Scottand just saying, are you happy?
Like, do you enjoy what you'redoing?
And it would always every timeI love what I'm doing, I love
preaching the word.
But he looked like the walkingdead to me, like he was
emotionally flat, um, and so Iwas like, okay, and then I would
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come back, you know, maybe afew months later do you like
what you're doing?
Are you happy?
I love what I'm doing.
And so then it was like, well,maybe I'm reading him wrong.
It's gets me behind me, satan.
So I'm like I just let him go.
I thought okay, okay, but heliterally was at my fingertips,
drowning, I couldn't reach himand, um, it's a scary place to
(15:16):
be.
As a wife, I don't have anyanswers other than it's real and
it's scary and it's hard towait for your men and but that's
.
We had the privilege of havingan elder who saw it as well, and
so he stepped in and, um, but alot of people don't have you
(15:38):
don't have that right, and so wewould love refresh to be not a
fix it, but just a, maybe just agentle voice saying what your
wife has been saying, or sayingwhat your wife has been saying,
or saying what your husband hasbeen saying, or just God to use
it as a gentle nudge, just toallow some of the noise to be
(15:59):
gone for those three days sothat you will hear the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And nudging.
Just to be able to turn theengine off.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
for me was and leaders don't know how to stop.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I didn't understand the word no.
No, I didn't completely get it.
I didn't understand the powerin the word no.
That's a complete sentence.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
No, but Scott has been away from the pastorate for
how many years now 18?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
18 years.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
And he still I think he has PTSD will walk in on a
Sunday morning and he's in thepastor mode.
And I'm like we're here toworship.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You know, stop it, stop it.
It's a gear shift.
You have to okay, put it okaynow, yeah, all right, and you
don't even know you're on.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You don't know, you do not as a leader, you don't,
you do not as a leader, youdon't even know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I think God wired us to a certain extent that we just
we come on like the motiondetector lights, you know
outside some moves and okay, nowwe're in that mode.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
There we go, we're sure but I'm gonna tell you what
.
Mama Jackson's gonna speak herefor a minute amen because there
is an addiction to ministrythat is unhealthy and you don't
know if you're off or you're on.
Somebody just said amen onlineand there's a difference of
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pursuing Jesus and pursuing theministry.
It is totally different and ifyou can't tell if you're off or
you're on, you've got somethinggoing, that's off, it's off.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Some people get so worked up into working for Jesus
.
They're not working with Jesus.
There's a difference.
If you're working, with JesusHuge difference.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Or are you?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
working for Jesus, Because when you're working with
the boss there's a littledifference, especially when the
boss is a good boss and he'scarrying the load and carrying
the weight for you well, evenyou know, and I'm not I don't
know if this is for me, not evenas a ministry leader, but just
as a child of god who wants topursue jesus.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Um, just this last year I have I felt more driven
and it's not I'm trying tofigure it out myself right now,
but driven to be there enough tobe there enough to be there
enough to be there enough.
And it's been driving me andI've been getting way too tired
and just coming away just atthis conference right now.
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The Lord's really gotten myattention with.
Are you following me?
Are you following Jesus?
Are you being driven?
to do more and it's very hard toself-examine on your own and
(18:46):
I'm an outside processor, like Ineed to talk to process it.
And when you can get away witha group six to eight couples,
six to eight women there's timeto process with other people.
And because it's tricky, it istricky and in leadership it's
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hard to turn it off.
I don't know if it's hard toturn it off, I don't know if
it's making any sense.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Absolutely, it absolutely does, and I just want
to say that all that you wentthrough I'm sorry that you went
through that, but that you bothwent through that, because I
know, as Scott was going throughit.
Lynn, you were trying to besupportive and you were going
through it as well.
How can I be supportive to myhusband when we don't know
what's going on?
But I want to thank you forbeing vulnerable to share that
with the rest of us becausebecause of that, as we discussed
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earlier, you know and, um, wehave, we are better equipped.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
so I'm sorry it happened, but I thank you well
and there's a place it's likeokay, being angry at my man's
not gonna move them.
You know, being sweet isn'tgonna move them.
I just stick and dynamite.
You know you've got to stepback and then just say help and
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then see if God surround youwith people or brings you to a
conference or has an elder whosteps in.
It's tricky business.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So I know you guys want to get on the road.
Yes, but before Scott hassomething, he has something, no.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I come back to something you said earlier, Ted.
You mentioned about when youcame or when pastors come to the
Refresh Getaway.
What's kind of their posturewhen they come?
I'll call it that yes, Allright, and often it's sitting
with folded arms, just sittingback, kind of say okay, am I
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really going to take thesepeople seriously?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What are they going to be asking from me?
Why am I here?
Why?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
am I here and we have found that if we, if Lynn,
talks to the wives, they come.
They may come dragging theirheels, their heel marks on the
driveway and, you know, draggingtheir husbands to something
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like this.
But then and your experiencehas been this but then you start
seeing, okay, maybe the armscome down after the first
session, this first morning, youknow they see there's a little
bit more that they can.
Okay, they can start leaning innow and by the end of the
second day, you know, we'restarting to see smiles come on
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people's faces, we're startingto see people lighten up to
where, the third morning, youknow, there's laughter, there's
interaction, there's no one sortof holding their wall up
anymore, but they've kind ofopened themselves up and we've
seen that happen time and timeand time again, especially for
the pastors.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And the wives when they come, like on a Friday
night through Saturday or Mondaythrough Wednesday, they look
different.
When they come like on a Fridaynight through Saturday or
Monday through Wednesday, theylook different.
When they leave they come andthey are look so weary and so
worn out, but by the time theyleave, the wives, they literally
look different they'rerefreshed they are, and the men
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don't have their arms crossedand they're laughing and I think
part of it is just recognizingwhat wow I'm.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I thought, I thought I was the only one yes, it
breaks the isolation.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's wait a minute .
They're going through somethinglike, yeah, and so I remember
listening to just people talkingand just, and, and we have
lifetime fellowship, friendshipand just brothers and sisters
now in Christ that wereestablished there, and in part
because for me I was like, wow,other pastors struggle with X, y
(22:48):
, z, whatever it might be, andI'm like, wow, okay, and that's
when the walls started comingdown.
Yeah, you know I'm not goingwow, okay, okay, and that's when
the walls started coming downyeah.
You know, oh, I'm not going tobe preached at, I'm not going to
be thrown a bullet list of stopdoing this and do that and
things you should do.
And I'm like, wait, and thething that really got me was,
dude, you just need to turn thecar off, just turn the engine
(23:10):
off and once.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I was able to turn the engine off, I was like, oh
wow, look, there's a cornfield.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know the place was great, yeah, no, I just
wanted.
I want to ask, as we wind down,um, so what's next for for
Thrive Foundation?
And or like, how can we supportyou, how can we pray um what's
what's on your heart for thatthey they embrace each other
Honestly not to just throw wordsout there, but we really truly
(23:40):
are pursuing Jesus.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, we feel like we need to maybe adjust some
things and shake some things upthat we're doing.
I mean, honestly, one of themost difficult things is getting
couples to come, Gettingcouples to commit.
You know we say six to eightcouples and you think, oh,
(24:04):
that's no big deal.
To get six to eight couples tocome to a refresh is hard.
It takes a lot of energy andeffort to get that many couples.
I mean, I'm talking aboutinviting 60 to 80 couples to get
6 to 8 to come.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
We were whining to our mentors about this.
And he said well, that's 10%.
I think you're doing prettygood.
I'm like you're kidding me.
10% is good.
I do not understand it, but Ido think there's a lot of
spiritual warfare going on.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yes, sure, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I think there's a lot of spiritual warfare going on
and we applaud those who canfight their way through it and
get there, because it is hard.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
If I was on the enemy's's team, I would be doing
everything I could to stop thepastors from going there, and
the wives yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I will be trying to keep that top of mind too as we
talk to people, because I knowpastors like to plan.
You know we're at the beginningof the year.
Think about you know if you'rehaving something in the fall.
You know, I just want to putthis on your radar, you know,
and we will do everything.
We will keep that in prayer foryou.
Your continual pursuit ofchrist and um and, and god knows
(25:18):
how he wants this formed andhe's going to answer that for
you and whatever those answersare, we're going to be praying
for that.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, you guys and I do want to say we live on
support and our supporters giveabove and beyond so we are able
to scholarship um couples tocome and we're able to
scholarship.
I can't believe it just for thewomen to come to the gentle
warriors you know we ask for adeposit and our supporters will
(25:46):
cover, cover the costs for the,the lodging and the rooms, which
is so beautiful it's sobeautiful amen.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's unbelievable yeah, we're astounded and we've
got lifelong friends with youguys.
Yes, I mean, that's part of itfor us.
You know, we look at what'sgoing on.
I I looked around the room andthere I don't know how many
couples are in there that havebeen to our refresh getaways,
not looking to say, oh, look atall these people that have come
to our thing, but it's peoplethat we've developed friendships
(26:17):
and relationships with over theyears because of what god's
enabled us to do and allowed usto do.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So it's, it's a really beautiful your friendship
with us is is precious I alwayssay that in in ministry in
general, that god keepsintroducing us to more family,
and that's how we truly look atyou guys, oh us to you.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
We call you our kids.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Lord, support these kids.
Help these kids get morefinancial support.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Amen to you listening right now.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Support this.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Plays on word ministry.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Scott and Lynn Jackson, we will put links in
the show notes.
So if you're listening to thisnow, we will put links in the
show notes.
So if you're listening to youguys, if you're listening to
this now, we'll put links inthere that you could send to
your pastor.
So if you guys heard this andyou know your pastors listen,
they need your prayers, theyneed your support, but some of
(27:11):
you listening your pastors rightnow need to refresh.
Some of you listening yourpastors right now need to
refresh.
They might be putting a smileyface on and looking like
everything's fine, but theymight need to refresh.
And maybe it's up to you toforward on this information.
And if you can't find it, justgive us a call, reach out, send
us an email something, send me atext and we can put you in
(27:35):
contact with these guys and forthose pastors where everything
is fine.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
let's keep it that way.
Come out to refresh.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You don't have to be falling apart at the seams to
come to refresh.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
The engines that last the longest are the ones that
have maintenance done.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Change the oil Change the spark plugs.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Change the belts, that's right.
You don't want to Change thebelts, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You don't want to wait until the check engine
light's on and you're 300 milesfrom home.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And unfortunately many pastors are like you know.
The dashboard's all lit up andthey're like well, I can still
make it another 50 miles.
This is hitting a little tooclose home for Katie.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Too soon, dude.
We'll link to that podcast.
Our truck broke down.
It's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
The wheels are falling off, is that?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
overshadowing.
The wheels fell off.
People are going to have funwith that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Thank you so much for being on Plays on Word Radio
Again.
This is turning into a yearlyevent, so, God willing, if the
Lord tarries and we're all alive, next year we'll do another
interview, but maybe we can getanother interview.
I need to put you together withPastor Cliff, the historian,
(28:51):
and I will pay money to have youtwo in the same room and we can
just talk Civil War.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We'll get our buddy Dave Locke on that too, and then
we can just we can talkAmerican history and Christ.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Zoom is a beautiful thing.
Yeah, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So okay, guys, so next week we'll be back on the
air, god willing, and thank youfor being here for Plays.
All World Radio Thanks guysAmen.
Amen, amen, amen.
Thank you very much, scott andLynn Jackson.
All right, you guys.
Thank you all for listening.
Till next week.
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord make his face to shineupon you and be gracious to you
(29:34):
.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
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