PCR111 - Bitcoin is Reel Life with Tomek & AZA - Plebchain Radio

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Welcome to Pleb Chain Radio, a live show brought to you by Plebs for Plebs, which focuses on the intersection of Nostra and Bitcoin protocols.

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Join QW and Avi as they run down the weekly news and developments, breaking down the current thing and the future frontier with the foundation of decentralization, the builders, thinkers, doers and plebs.
All right, we are live.
Welcome, gentle plebs, to episode 111 of Pleb Chain Radio.

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Today is Friday, the 9th of May, and it is 5.04 p.m. on the east coast of the United States at the time of recording.
We have what is now becoming an annual tradition, QW, a Pleb Chain Radio Bitcoin Film Fest episode.
As it should be, Avi, as it should be.

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as it absolutely should be,
we have Tomek and Azar from the Bitcoin Film Fest
joining us to talk about...
Hey, Tomek,
to talk about all the exciting things in store
in Warsaw later this month.

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And folks, a reminder,
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And QW, you know there is no second best Bitcoin conference because the best is BTC Prague happening from June 19th to June 21st of this year, of course.
and you, our dear

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gentle pleb listeners
can save some sats
10% actually
by using the discount code
NOSTR
you can get the tickets at
btcprog.com
I believe it's .com
on the btcprog website
and for our meme readout today
it is a single frame meme

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another
Condalorian classic
and the first one
There are two images in that single frame.
The first image is that of a chicken,
and the caption reads,
I'll spend Bitcoin when it's more widely accepted.
And the second image is an egg,

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where the caption reads,
We'll accept Bitcoin when it's more widely spent.
And needless to say, QW, NOSTA fixes this.
But speaking of NOSTA and speaking of Bitcoin,
You have been paying attention to both Bitcoin and Nostoculture in the last week.
What have you noticed?

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Wow.
May is going to be a big month.
And we kind of highlighted that last couple, well, in the last, let's say, four shows,
especially last week with Nostvegas.
But one of the things I am looking forward to is what we talked about last week,
that shredder live from First Avenue in Minneapolis. That's a huge sellout show,

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but it's going to be the first one sellout show that's not Noster-based plebs. It's going to be
via Toonster, so live on Toonster. So Noster is going to get its first taste of just really a
sellout show and see what we can actually accomplish with something like that. And that's
a week from today, next Friday, the 16th. It's 10 p.m. Eastern time. So my time, 7 p.m. I like

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that better than 10 p.m. The Vegas Nostrid SideQuest Bitcoin Golf Championship. Avi,
I did confirm that I'm going to be speaking at that. I'm going to be on stage with Heather Larson,
a friend of the show, and also April James. We're going to be talking for 90 minutes.
uh so from 12 the the actual event uh the golfers uh if you're if you see there's two different sides

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of the ticket ticketing you can get you can actually participate in the golf scramble that
starts at eight but if you're just a regular pleb that doesn't want to haul around their clubs
maybe you know you're just flying in for a couple days and you don't want to have that extra baggage
or maybe you don't golf.
11 a.m. to 5 p.m., we're having a full event.

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So I'll be on stage.
I've heard QW, J.D. Vance and Donald Trump Jr. are avid golfers.
So I'm saying there's a chance, QW.
Maybe even the new Pope will be there, you know,
eating some deep dish pizza.
We'll see.
But, yeah, I'll be on stage.

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It's kind of odd doing 90 minutes on stage,
But I'm not scared.
But then after that, there'll be the live music and everything.
And that's the Bahá'í Golf Course.
I think that's how you say it.
I don't know.
Then, of course, the Las Vegas, which we spoke about from 7 p.m. to 1 p.m.
Wednesday, the 28th, that we all scream.

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And then Avi, there's one other event that I didn't even write down.
I just remember the event with Richard Greaser and Rod Palmer, friends of the show, the Bugle and the 21 Media.
It's about 300 feet away from the event.

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I'm going to put the link in the show notes.
I don't know the name of the venue, but essentially that starts at, I believe, 7 p.m. as well.
So it's something where you can go to both events and they're within 300 feet of each other.
And they're both pretty much value for value communities, you know, because I know Bugle's so heavy on Fountain.

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So that's kind of a neat deal.
If I was there Wednesday, I would absolutely go to both of them.
Nostrebama, July 14th through the 17th.
So we'll highlight that more when we get towards July.
As far as more culture, not just the events, I'm laughing at the Bitcoin strategic arms race of the states.

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Apparently, my state, Avi, Arizona, was the first or second Bitcoin strategic reserve.
So they said the headlines.
But if you actually look at what it says, do you know the unclaimed property?
Yes.
New York, yes.
that. Essentially, let's say I have my Bitcoin in custody at Coinbase and I disappear.

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After three years, if I don't respond, they can just move my Bitcoin from Coinbase to Arizona's
strategic reserve. So it's something that I wouldn't even call that a strategic reserve.
I just think it's another tool for the state to maybe take away your Bitcoin.
And on top of that, it's really just more of an advertisement for self-custody, in my opinion.

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So I think the NGU crowd, the government state politician crowd that seems to be taking over the socials on at least the Bitcoin Twitter side, they're pumping it and it's a nothing burger.
So I haven't looked into other states because I don't live there, but coming from an Arizonan, it's kind of a joke to me.

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The final thing, Avi, I have a bid-axe arriving today.
I'm going to be an actual miner.
Did you know that?
No, I did not.
Congratulations.
Yeah, I'm doing my part.
Insert the gif.
Upendo.
Gif.
I will never learn.
The upendo, you know, we talked about the block party.

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We just introduced charities.
I say we because I'm part of the community, but we just introduced charities.
So Bitcoin Arusha and Bitcoin Isla.
So it's Isla Mujeres.
So I'll just call it Isla, Bitcoin Isla.
Both of those are the chosen charities.
And, you know, shout out Arusha for my buddy, Man Like Quex.

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I know he might even clip that into a song soon.
But that's it for the Culture's Corner.
Avi, who was the top zapper?
QW, it was someone, well, certainly friend of the show.

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Phantom Power Music.
And I think, QW, it is only appropriate if you do the honors.
It is because I'm going to be hanging with them a lot at that Bitcoin Golf Championship.
So here we go.
Phantom Power Music.
The only place where music meets money isn't just a tagline.

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It's practically tattooed on the homepage next to a pixelated Bitcoin doing a mic drop.
Jim Costello and his fearless crew have taken every blockchain buzzword in the book,
brewed them into a smoothie of artist empowerment, and served it up with enough neon flair to make your old Spotify playlist with weep and envy.

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Soundstack is part of the live show.
It's part live show, part social experiment, part open source development powwow.
And 100% guaranteed to leave your fans wondering if they just witnessed a concert or a TED Talk with less coffee.
But hey, at least when the music stops, you can pay your artist directly in sats because nothing says artistic freedom like pricing your next single in fractions of cents and hoping your grandma can figure out the lightning network.

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In short, phantom power music is like the quirky best friend who shows up to a karaoke night in a full LED suit screaming, let's reinvent the music industry.
It might seem a tad over the top, but you can't deny it's a showstopper.
Bravo, Jim Costello.
Bravo, the Costello family.
Bravo, all the people that are part of Phantom Power Music.

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We really appreciate you keep blowing our minds
and maybe simplifying the checkout process for Grandma.
So I really appreciate you guys.
Keep the message going.
Value for value works.
Let's just get the scale.
Love it.
Yes, we genuinely appreciate your support and generosity and your friendship, I should say.

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And QW, for our sermon today, before we dive into the guest segment,
we're talking about driving adoption through the stories we tell.
Bitcoin has always been a narrative revolution disguised as code.
White paper, the cypherpunk lore, pizza day legends, every block is a paragraph in the

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world's most relentless epic.
But code alone rarely converts the skeptic It the campfire myth that slips past the prefrontal cortex and shakes hands with the limbic system People don adopt protocols first they fall in love with protagonists

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Early adopters heard the white paper hymn, but most folks need characters first. A pizza day
dreamer, a mother in a small country crushed by the cost of remittance, a Warsaw street
vendor swapping Zwarte for sats.
When their arcs land, the brain releases a neurochemical op-return which says, I belong

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in this plot.
That's the sly roundabout orange pill, conviction smuggled inside catharsis.
And that's why, from the 22nd to the 25th of May, in Warsaw's Kinoteca, the Bitcoin Film Fest is loading its reels with rebellion.

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Each documentary, drama, and animated rabbit hole is a stealth wallet, zipping conviction straight into the fields of anyone still clasped within the cold claw of fiat.
You come for the plot, you leave checking block heights.

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I don't even want to respond. I think you crushed it.
What was that?
the chat's like who wrote that
yeah actually I have the same thing
I was actually waiting for you Avi just to start
saying that it's your pitching or some kind of script

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for a new film because it could be
Avi you should literally be an author
have you ever thought about being one?
I might get down to writing a book one day
one more
one more yes i'm actually looking at your book right now just trying to reach it with my side
excellent well well welcome both of you welcome azar and welcome tomac welcome back tomac i think

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for the third time yeah hello tomac's a guy he's vying for my spot 20 something but you see numbers
numbers don't lie so you are here like number go up and it's a third edition of the festival
as a trilogy and it will be way better than some movies every year i'm like avi avi this is time

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let's visit blockchain radio thank you guys pcr will always be a home
hello nostril chatting on zap stream 11 viewers he there hello
all right so here's a burning question um well we'll start with you tomic i think it's more this

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question will be more fun if you answer it. But we'll see if Azar has something
to say as well. A big Hollywood producer
approaches the Bitcoin Film Fest with a million
dollar sponsorship offer for the next edition.
But there is one condition, Tomek. For every
Bitcoin movie you show at that Film Fest, you have to

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screen a fiat movie. What would you do?
is tarantino fiat movie i would show some tarantino
tarantino is i would say is is a bitcoin movie i mean especially something like pulp fiction
um true romance once upon a time in hollywood there is heart reality right

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oh yeah i think this is a very tricky question because it depends what you
label as a fiat movie?
Is it the same what you label
as a Bitcoin movie?
I think just looking at
scale of titles.
Yeah, exactly.
It was a little bit tricky question.

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It's not going to be the Matrix.
We would take this million
and we would convert it to Satoshi's
and we would play Tarantino.
That's what we would do.
so there's a gray area there abby gray fiat area and also a spoiler there might be some bitcoiners
in the hollywood as well so you know like i i get the point of the question but it's a little bit

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blurry so not that easy to what would you do there are too many unknowns for each blockchain radio
episode you need to do one fiat chain radio episode sponsored by pfizer every time
um obvi that that brings me to i we had we had a kind of a quick conversation today about bitcoin
movies and whatnot or a lot of them seem to be documentaries but uh you know maybe these you

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know there are fiat movies that are technically bitcoin movies um and that's something we wanted
to see coming up in the future kind of uh doesn't explicitly say bitcoin but uh it really is a
bitcoin movie oh definitely guys i think we even published a couple of articles about it i mean
just like truman show um and matrix one of the most famous i mean they were all mass titles like

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super popular titles right and they are pretty close to the bitcoin ethos and i think they are
like very classy, well-known, used as well in the Bitcoin culture.
So that's why this is a tricky, very tricky question.
When I say like, what's a Bitcoin movie?
What's a fiat movie?
The same, it's happening already.

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I think Tomek can confirm within this whole, as we sometimes call it,
Binema space, more and more productions are not necessary.
And I think, Avi, you might remember from last edition,
because you were with us in person, there was also the gods of their own religion.
It was not mentioning it even once or Jessica Solcher's film, Death Athletic, not even once Bitcoin, but it is based and very close to the Bitcoiners values and the point of view and how we act, how we see the world and how we want to make the world in the future.

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So this is also like a very vague, so to say, border.
And I think it's more about who is doing it and what's the purpose, like what's the, let's say, what's the vision and the mission of some specific production.
And I, to be honest, hope that we will have more and more of this creative, not directly talking about Bitcoin films, animations, comedies, horrors, maybe even.

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because this is a very broad topic and it's more about just yeah spreading the message
which is more important than just directly repeating bitcoin bitcoin and bitcoin of course
there will be a niche as well maybe for some specific topics alana is a great example right
like mining or maybe some technical kind of stuff or whatever but yeah i hope that we will have more

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diversity and the same with art not necessarily always repeating directly bitcoin and it's it is
interesting, Azar, if you look at the
evolution of Bitcoin art,
it started with the Bitcoin
logo in different colors
and whatnot, right?
Or inserting the Bitcoin logo into
something. It's very in-your-face.

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But I think... It still is.
Come on. This is still the case.
Well, you
have folks like
Rebel Money Art, right?
Where it's more
metaphorical. And there... Oh, Mere One.
Mere One is a fantastic
example i don't know if you folks are familiar familiar with him but how do you spell it m-e-a-r-o-n-e

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he's not on nostril unfortunately but man i'm polish i cannot like yeah i can show like personally
we have different letters i'm sorry but i know what you mean avi and i agree like there are some
specific artists i think a great example i know when person is flaw flaw montoya she she's running
with rebel actually this um aof initiative or collective and she's sometimes saying um that

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this like healthy propaganda so her work is more about like freedom uh it's like permissionist art
but not necessary um showing bitcoin there might be some connections or some tiny things if you know
you know like easter eggs so to say but not necessary it's like using the logo or even like
referring just now to to like directly talk about your show um because i'm also a big fan as card

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you had them recently right their video clip rip um they are one of our special guests by the way
at this edition um so it's also like not necessarily directly addressing um bitcoiners
but it's trying to kind of sell the message or trigger uh some interest curiosity and in between

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who knows and who understands, who will notice the white paper in their videoclip or, you know,
like the reference of Satoshi or whatever, they will know. So I think it's a very nice direction
and it might be less tiring for many people, including Bitcoiners.
You mentioned Scardust and you're just talking about inserting, you know, making Bitcoin art

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without in your face Bitcoin, but speaking more through metaphor and these sort of higher order,
appealing to higher order senses
than just the in-your-face stuff.
And they talked about that.
A lot of their music has themes.
They were talking about their song Under,
which is talking about breaking the chains.
And they were also talking about their future music.

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It just so happened that their song Rip,
the lyrics, they fit so nicely with Satoshi's,
sort of the fictitious story of Satoshi leaving,
that they did that.
But going forward, it's unlikely
that they will have in your face Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, right?
But rather appealing more to the ideals of Bitcoin.
Yeah, and coming back to the topic of, I would say,

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the closest topic to Bitcoin Film Fest,
though, just one correction,
it's not only Kinoteca when it comes to the festival,
or maybe just a side note, not correction, sorry.
You were not wrong.
It's just like a side note for the listeners.
Bitcoin Film Fest is not happening only in Kinoteca,
though I personally believe this is one of the most beautiful
and unique cinemas probably ever.

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it's not multiplex it's yeah very very unique location with a beautiful story behind but we
have more spots because we are also having live shows and comedy stand-up this year and concerts
and dj sets and even vj which is like visuals and music so so many different spots all of them
in a very convenient close distance distance but um here we are also you know like seeing more

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art, more topics, more movies,
more songs, and more of this kind of
artistic cultural realm,
like trying to bring the
freedom, independence,
anti-censorship
kind of approach, and like
freedom mindset, and so on and so forth,
into their work, which is amazing, and I'm super
happy to see that, and I hope

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it will happen even more.
Love it.
So, Aza...
Sorry, Kida, were you going to say something?
No, Aza.
So I would love to hear and kind of maybe pull back a little bit and hear your backstory How did you rise to plebhood Sorry is it a question to me

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Yeah, yeah.
I'd like to hear your backstory.
Kind of from, you know,
where did you decide that,
hey, I'm a pleb?
Maybe talk about your journey a little bit.
I think it was more of a decision of my parents
that they just kind of brought me to this world.
No, I'm joking, of course.
That's very specific sense of humor I have.

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I would say it's a very long story and probably we don't have so much time.
I think I'm naturally just born curious person that is questioning many things.
And I think just, yeah, the entire Bitcoin ethos, I do believe is built on the grassroots and pleb.
And I'm not a big fan of any idols and influencers and all these kind of narratives.

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It's anti-Bitcoin, in my opinion.
And so I see myself as pleb, but the story is pretty complex and too long.
So, yeah.
Not answering directly.
That was good opsec, Aza.
Well, you know, Avi, we always try to understand what clicks, right?

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I'm sometimes, like, personally thinking I might start some kind of movement
when we will be against, like, Shultz asking Bitcoiners about their backstories.
because not that there is some fault of your behavior or any other shows podcasters but i kind
of think that it will be a threat in the future there will be more and more scammers and weird

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people listening to these things only to spot some people because their assumption might be
completely wrong so with a question when did you learn about bitcoin when did you buy your bitcoin
and watch your backstory, they might have completely wrong assumptions
and it might be not a very safe topic.
So, yeah.
That is a good point.
That's why I'm always trying to skip this question.

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It is a good point.
I think it's more of a psychological question.
I think we try to kind of find patterns.
Let's say, like, for a lot of people, it might have been COVID.
For a lot of people, it might have been, you know, governments
or, you know, maybe they have a technology mindset
and they just happen to, it just clicks for them really easy.
Uh, you know, just kind of, in my case is probably everything at once.

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Like it's a journey.
I like to say it's a journey.
It's like a train.
You take a train and it never stops and you are rediscovering things and month by month,
podcast by podcast, book by book, year by year, you just, yeah, jump from one rabbit
hole to another.
And Bitcoin is just one of the beginnings or one of the points in this entire journey.

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For me, this is just like the sovereign mind that is going different directions.
Yeah, and maybe we can reframe that, Avi, for the future, for more of a psychological standpoint.
Because it's interesting.
And I think if we take a sample of all of our guests, we might find some insightful things for future orange peeling.

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No, Azo makes a really good point, right?
And for a related reason, I think Bitcoin, large Bitcoin conferences are going to get less and less safe for people to attend.
and I don't know how much longer
those large events are going to continue
the 30,000, 40,000
I think you'll have
the smaller events like

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in comparison
the Bitcoin Film Festival which is a few hundred people
maybe it'll grow to
1,000 or 2,000 but I don't know if we'll
see events larger than that
maybe 5, 10 years
Why was the danger?
Well, it's a honeypot
you have hundreds of people
who presumably have the hardest money on earth

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gathering in one place.
And if you're an individual
who's looking to extract that Bitcoin from them,
well, you've hit the jackpot.
There was some issue, I think,
in one of the conferences last year.
I don't want to say the name of it,
not to scare anyone,

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but I think there was some...
Somebody was breaking into the hotel
of some speakers or something and then looking into their stuff or whatever i mean you know
people are kind of weird and they try to be creative wasting their energy on stealing others
belongings than just you know using this creativity into producing something useful

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and stuff you never know um i kind of like this uh this topic how do you think that having like
like Bitcoin communities, like Bitcoin jungle,
is dangerous?
It's like against Bitcoin,
against Bitcoin independence and privacy
that you live in a place that is named Bitcoin something

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and there is a bunch of Bitcoiners around you.
Is it a bit cliche or is it insecure?
I just also have my thoughts about it.
I'm shaping them, I don't know.
It's tough, right?
Because you have to start somewhere.
But starting in just a couple spots is more of a target then.
But you got to do it, I suppose.

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I mean, if you truly want to build circular economies, people have to know about them, right?
And then what?
What will happen to these conferences, right?
These will be like conferences.
If every conference is a Bitcoin conference, then no conferences.
Just a matter of time.
Just a side note, we have Bitcoin Film Fest and it's not a conference.

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And this is the entire beauty of it as well.
It's not a conference.
It's a cultural event.
You have a festival, which is not a typical film festival.
It's also not a typical music art festival.
It's mixing all of these things together.
And as you pointed out, Avi, it's not too big, not too small.
So you can really like, um, reunion with some people or really like create a very close relationships with the newcomers.

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I mean, I think this is a very beautiful, like I'm saying it not because I'm, I'm like, you know, one tiny part of just making it happen.
But I say it like really, um, looking as a third person at it and just listening to so many different opinions.
I think it's beautiful that we have such things.
And I hope there will be more and more.

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Agreed.
And I think cultural events like the Bitcoin Film Fest
and others of that nature will definitely be safe
because no one assumes that artists have money.
I have two things to say.
Number one, remember that show we did Avi with,

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I think it was Island.
It was one of our first PCR shows.
But he was talking about that, I believe it was a Chinese national that kept trying to break into Nostrica, the original Nostra conference.
And that was just a little bit after Domus was banned in China on the App Store.

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That was an interesting story, if anybody wants to hear that.
Secondly, to the point of cultural events, we did our Nostra PHX here locally.
And I know a pleb that's been holding a long time, older dude.
He's not really.
I'm like, why don't you ever go to anything?
He's like, I don't want people to know.
I'm like, okay, I respect that.

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He's like, but I would actually go to this Noster thing because it's essentially Bitcoiners.
But it's a cultural event that's not, you know, really putting Bitcoin first.
So as far as it's a sly roundabout way.
So the stupid thieves and intelligence, they just don't know about it yet.
They haven't figured.
let's not publish this episode let's not share yeah but but it there is truth to that the cultural

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um is a wider net and it's uh it's i mean yeah that's that's yeah 100 agree and i've seen it
for everything um i'm not personally like a big fan of huge gatherings um and also like this
enormous conferences i think they are also more popular in the u.s to be honest in europe i think
the btc product that you mentioned just at the beginning is the biggest so i'm not like a big

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fan of you know this huge huge huge gatherings whether it's concerts or whatever but I think
there is place for everything right and we are living in a free world at least in our heads
as Bitcoiners so it's good that there is a variety I am looking forward to more places like
Bitcoin Film Fest like maybe some even art or music related because Bitcoin Film Fest is

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focused on films but also adding more of these different cultural realms I know there are some
even smaller, I would say, like bigger meetups,
smaller events in London happening,
more focusing on music, for example.
Personally, I'm looking for something like Burning Man,

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but Bitcoin, freedom, yeah, open mindset,
like freedom, sovereignty, sovereign minds, yeah, related.
So let's see what the future brings.
I would love to see, yeah, all of those things,
which you said, Aza, but the other one,
I would love to make happen
is a Bitcoin food festival.
And both of you will remember

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there was a short trailer
played at the Bitcoin Film Fest
last year
for B is for Bosa.
Ah, Sardinia.
And Tomek, I reached out to you saying,
who the hell is this guy?
I need to talk to him.
And it's a crazy Englishman.
And I mean crazy in the most,

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in the kindest way,
in the most praiseworthy way, right?
Crazy Englishman called Carl Fritz,
who's an expat living in Sardinia,
and he has this idea of creating,
where he wanted to make a movie
that showed a future Sardinia
as a circular economy, right?

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Completely hyper-Bitcoinized.
And I got talking to him
after I got his contact from Yutomag,
and we said, it would be amazing
if we could do a Bitcoin food fest in Borsa, right?
And use that.
They run pizzeria there.
They have their brewery in Sardinia.
And they try to create this circular economy.

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I believe we could maybe, you know, give him a call,
bring him to the episode and seed this idea.
Man, we need food fest.
No, Carly is great.
Say hello.
So, Carly, if you listen to us, you are great.
One of the hardest things is finding the RSVP.

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Like, how is it with the Bitcoin Film Festival?
Basically, everyone needs a ticket so you know how many are arriving.
But when you're planning these events, you're not really sure.
I mean, maybe it goes back to the first event you guys did,
where you're trying to plan this venue,
but you're not even sure how much interest is in it.
how is that how do you approach that

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because I'm thinking about these food vendors showing up with all their food and they have
no idea how many people to feed yeah this is the most like unknown thing and the most stressful
organizing such a thing of course it it's complex on many levels but once you once you learn how to

(34:55):
organize it and have you know relationship with venue with some providers it's all right but then
and still the biggest unknown is the audience people They tend to and I also like this so I cannot complain but we humanity tend to buy those type of or we are used to buying those tickets last minute even if

(35:17):
prices rise very often but we try to change that so you never know if there
will be hundred people or four hundred people you know at such festival but how
do you approach it I guess it's sensing flexible organization of things at the
In the beginning, when we did the first Film Festival, it was a side event, actually.

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It started as a side event to a weekend of capitalism.
It's another libertarian conference that we organize here in Poland.
It's a Polish libertarian gathering.
So it was a satellite event to that.
It was an interesting experience because most of Film Fest's audience were Europeans,
internationalists, who came, okay, there is this new type of event, let's go.

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and most of my audience was Polish and they kind of intersected, right?
Bitcoiners came to see this Libertarian conference,
Polish Libertarians came to see this English Bitcoin movies.
So I think that was a good kickstart to the festival.
So next years are just easier because you know many more things now.

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And it's not a side event anymore.
It actually has...
Yeah, it outgrew.
So it's just like, wow, right?
I mean, just looking at the, I'm very happy for like this year because it's a third edition and we learned so much, improved so many things.
Probably still way to go, but the space is kind of getting more mature and yeah, it's pretty exciting.

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Third time.
We also kind of have gone.
I was just saying it's no longer a side event.
It has its own side events.
That's how big it is now.
Yeah.
yeah but it's not
we don't even want it
much bigger you know
it's better to have
every year for 5-10 years

(37:10):
build and have
5-10 small festivals
rather than
build something big when there is
come on there is not yet enough
that much of a bitcoin cinema
it still has places to grow
then we will spend energy
and already on established network
of five or ten years of various filmmakers in this culture,

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Bitcoin culture industry,
art, branch, group of plebs.
And yeah, I guess every next year it will be easier.
We will just make it better, not necessarily bigger,
because the value in it is also that it's cozy,
that you get to know basically everyone.
We have very nice parties.
it's uh this event is designed for fun and good time uh by consuming some and getting to know

(38:02):
bitcoin culture in form of movies and not only right because we have concerts there is like
eight bitcoin artists performing at bitcoin film fest this year we have roger 9000 air clips gold
from uk mad monkey dj from poland there is abbe polish ethno electronic musician aaron kenick
German Bitcoiner having his solo guitar performance of his songs.

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Then Ackman and Andy Princh, also guys from Bitcoin Collective 2140 in the UK will be rapping.
Then we have also DJ Renix on Monday.
So we have like one, two, three, seven, five, nine Bitcoin artists.
And Exiled Surfer also, very interesting pleb, will be our VJ.

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So we'll have also a show of Bitcoin, fractals animation and whatnot you can do on a nice screen outside of Palace of Culture.
So it's not just movies. It's also music. It's also art.
There is art gallery on the stairs of Palace of Culture.
Stairway is magnificent.
And any art, basically, even those B letters also look good between those columns.

(39:14):
so yeah anyone who is still like considering of course you guys and most of you let's make
blockchain a discount code 20 works only for the next week let's do it and come over to warsaw
it's in two weeks my 22 we start with a pizza day and then we have movies screenings parties

(39:34):
djs vjs panels contests fun event come over warsaw heart of poland heart of europe heart of bitcoin
in cinema. You heard it
here first, folks.
Discount code PLEBCHEN
gets you 20% off tickets to the
Bitcoin Film Fest.
That was a nice little ShamWow
promotion there.

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You got me hyped there, Tomek.
You coming?
That's far.
Well, man, we are having
so many guests from Thailand,
like Latam, Honduras,
Salvador, Canada.
So, you know, whenever I hear somebody saying it's far away, it's just an excuse.
But it's still a better answer than when some people say, I'm going to Vegas.

(40:19):
It's far from my two-year-old.
I can drive to Vegas in four hours.
We will do 10 more film festivals in BFF 35 CUQW in Warsaw.
Do I want to go?
Absolutely, I want to go.
Definitely, we're going to meet one here.
But regarding like marketing, shilling stuff and so on, which is super interesting, I think, for this edition.

(40:40):
and it's like completely anti-selling things and anti-marketing we are also having something
like very very unique this year uh poise we called it so the first ever show of the bitcoin
only advertising so you know like all this um either you have memes like the funny money crew

(41:00):
right like legard and so on um when bitcoiners are just reposting them when they do some wrong
move and then saying thank you guys for promoting bitcoin or you have these whole memes like yeah
bitcoin doesn't need marketing but actually there are so many great commercials and so many awesome
campaigns um probably even more to come and this year we are having like a small show for that and

(41:23):
even a separate gala with awards so this is like a complete new topic this year so again not movies
but somehow related to that.
Basically, we figured that one of the most interesting to watch
genres of Bitcoin cinema, because majority is documentaries, right?
There is documentaries with this Bitcoin, what's happening in Salvador.

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There is some fiction, there are some shorts, all right.
But the one unexplored yet before, at least by us
in this Bitcoin Film Fest initiatives, is commercial videos.
and those advertisement videos that have been produced for the last like 12 years at least for
Bitcoin companies but also for Bitcoin per se as a phenomena are really fun to watch and they are

(42:10):
very often well made on par with really quality productions from other genres so we do this
Bitcoin advertisement awards the first one called PoEIS we have selected by submissions and by
ourselves over 30 advertisements videos and non-video ones we have a steam jury very soon

(42:35):
the info will be public about it and the first post will happen so let's see who does the best
bitcoin advertisements in this space does that include coinbase's ads as well ah that's a good
question coinbase has the best bitcoin ads there is uh they have like four or five like shorts which

(42:59):
are just so touching you know and uh so clever and such a good editing yes but internal clash
but they have big budgets there are there is internal class they have bitcoin only companies
They also care about promotion of Bitcoin, of promotion of alternative payment system.

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I think there is alignment.
We don't have to look at them as enemies.
However, we don't include this.
This is Bitcoin-only festival.
However, we have some advertisements that are from some exchanges, but there is no crypto promotion.
and also the goal is that
the point is that

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we just didn't get reply from Coinbase
and from all over
at least like one fourth
of the brands we needed to get their
permission so over the last two months
we were in touch with those various brands
and producers of advertisements
so yeah
we accept friends who are
Bitcoiners and who answer to emails of Bitcoin

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Film Fest
I'm picturing Brian Armstrong
going to the Bitcoin Film Festival
to submit his commercial
and Larry Fink of BlackRock
going there to submit the commercial.
What do you think?
And give one million dollars
and tell you one fiat advertisement.
Exactly.

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Trying to legitimize themselves.
Well, Larry Fink will pay in iBit, right?
And Brian Armstrong is going to pay in paper Bitcoin
because that's all he has.
Oh, man. You mentioned a lot of them have been documentaries, and now you're submitting commercials and stuff.

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Me and Avi were kind of talking, and we've had some shows in the past, I think, in regards to movies or Bitcoin-related movies.
One of them that was really nice, I thought, was the shooter film, No More Inflation.
the reason being is it didn't really talk about Bitcoin and really till the end so when I sat down

(45:08):
with my wife who you know she's kind of my litmus test for a lot of this it was really focused on
inflation and how it kind of affects everything and it's very emotional but it doesn't introduce
the solution till the end so it's it's something where how do we get that sly roundabout way

(45:28):
and then secondly is documentary is i would assume it's a lot a lot of it comes down to budget
and a lot of these are small projects where someone's just spending someone's grueling away
hours and hours and hours is it something where maybe ai gets introduced and gets us more into a
the fictional stories?

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Yeah, I guess this is what AI does.
It enables some skills for people who might be creative,
smart, have good stories to tell,
but you need skills, lots of skills,
and lots of budgets to create compelling visual
with cameras, with lights, with good editing.

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And very often, you know, I also, like,
we do graphics with some chat gpt or midjourney uh you can already do nice visual motion graphics
videos and it will only get better with time so that's a definitely interesting evolution
maybe not revolution but we are uh showing we are talking about it at the big film festival

(46:36):
the opening block the opening screenings for bff are is called bff blue new media new stories
where we will screen few Bitcoin AI shorts
and there will be a panel discussion about AI and how it
enables some creativity.
But documentaries, I kind of agreed,

(46:59):
they are technically probably the easiest genre, right?
Because you don't need actors,
you don't need to rely on their skills and all of this screenplay.
You can record a video with your phone
and basically its basic genre is documentary.
So it costs more to build fiction films as well.

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so there is no surprise that there is less of them
but we always at
Bitcoin Film Fest are super happy
when there is new
fictional film, future film and now
thanks to AI there is more of them
more shorts because there is
you know
it's more entertaining at least for me
to watch non-documentaries

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and this year
we have a comedy which is not
a documentary movie and it's
Bitcoin related as well
so yeah which one is that it's called hotel bitcoin it's actually a spanish comedy um i think
it was never um never shown anywhere out of the spanish-speaking realm so yeah this is one of the

(48:02):
main screenings at this this year edition hotel bitcoin pretty funny stuff but the other one the
day before unbankable um by luke wilms from canada uh this is the european premiere of this film is
You would like it, both of you actually.
It's kind of similar to my Bitcoin shooter film,

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that it doesn't speak about Bitcoin till the other end.
It's also a documentary about some problems with the financial system.
However, it focuses on Africa and innovation in various countries
to which various societies need to run away
because normal banking was not available for them.
and look through this journey, discovers Bitcoin.

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So it was originally intended to be a financial investigation documentary.
And by making this, the director learned about Bitcoin,
and that's why also we as audience learn about it at the end.
We screen it on Friday of the festival on the evening.
The title is Unbankable.
Yeah, everyone, if you want to guys just have a look,

(49:09):
the same as you guys know,
if you want to just have a look what's happening not only we have this monthly newsletter that it's
like bitcoin cinema digest so we give previews of different productions in progress planned finish
and so on but also now we're publishing a little bit more of short form content i would say to read

(49:31):
and to re-watch so already on the website there is yeah there are some videos with the ads like
video ads there is also I think a short preview of the feature films of this
edition regarding Luke and unbunkable last night we published an exclusive
interview with him so you can also have a more insights about peace story and

(49:55):
the mission and then vision he had for this production because it took him seven
years so yeah there is some nice there are some nice pieces to read on our
website as well so yeah everyone is welcome to visit and to revisit from
time to time can can i say i love your website um when i when i open it up i just put in bitcoin
film fest uh uh let's see here if it works best bitcoinfilmfest.com and i'm scrolling it and uh

(50:24):
it i feel like i'm in a movie theater the way the little seats are set up on the bottom so this is
a good awesome if you especially if you visit it on desktop that's the way it should feel yeah i go
Go to credits.
On top menu, you will see who is, what people help us create Bitcoin Film Fest.

(50:44):
We should add your names if you're not there yet.
Yeah, I mean, at the top, please.
All right, let's do it.
No, I'm kidding.
But yeah, no, that's great.
I mean, it's kind of like I'm in a movie theater.
Anybody that's listening, I recommend going to Bitcoin Film Fest
and checking out their website at the very least

(51:05):
because you can tell how much thought's put into this,
and that translates to how much thought
is actually put into the festival as well.
We still, however, consider this website in alpha.
It's like so unfinished with the content
that we have ready for this.
But slowly, we are early.

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So, Tomek, what is the lineup?
You talked about Hotel Beccon, which is a comedy.
So we have basically started with Bitcoin Pizza Day when there are concerts on Thursday, May 22nd.
And then we have three days of film festival and let's call them cinema blocks.
We have eight of them.

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So there is eight opportunities of watching movies.
And there is this BFF Blue, part of AI and some talks called New Media, New Stories.
Then the next block is Pitching Rabbits.
So we have pitching stage and eight contestants, Avi, you were there last year, get voted by audience which movie audience wants to be done.

(52:12):
So they're pitching their films like a Shark Tank to audience.
And there is 3000 euros from our sponsors, a grant to be won by the best pitch of aspiring filmmaker.
Then at 7 p.m. we meet for Unbankable, the document I mentioned.
Next day, on Saturday, we start with Outcast Cinema.
It's also two presentations of films about parallel societies

(52:35):
and alternative ways of living on Bitcoin,
with also a nice presentation by Psypher.
Then we have Revolution Bitcoin,
it's a Spanish documentary about the impact of Bitcoin
on various countries of the Spanish-speaking world.
Hotel Bitcoin is this comedy we mentioned.

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And then on Sunday at BFF Orange is our almost last cinema blog.
This blog is called Get It Done because we are screening the films that are already released.
Before we were talking about films to be done, films in making,
and now we are screening shorts that are already released.
There is Immutable History by Javier Borraio, The Man Who Shouldn't Cry by Emil Johnson,

(53:20):
and a pilot episode of Finding Home by Avi Burra,
who will be with us with his spirit, I guess.
And then on Sunday, we end with Bitcoin Advertisement Awards.
It's Poise.
Then we have stand-up comedy.
Probably not only now Bitcoin stand-upper
who is performing regularly.

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Rob Leclayne is coming to Warsaw,
and he will perform while Jury will convene
before ceremony of Golden Rabbits.
This is where jury and audience selects best movies in four categories.
Those are our Oscars.
And of course, after every day of this agenda, there are after parties, various.
On Friday and Saturday morning, we have film and Bitcoin workshops at our cinema club, Amondo.

(54:07):
It's a breakfast club.
And also in parallel to the cinema stage, there is a community stage with open mic.
And we already have full list of submissions from various Bitcoiners around the world who come to the festival.
and they just with their open format talk about whatever they want 21 minutes each uh and in
between there are some tours we are going to shooting ranch next day we are going on a bitcoin

(54:30):
walk there will be uh tours on the vistula river so it's a five basically actually five days of
various activities around bitcoin culture in a beautiful city in warsaw and really good day
a best date for a film festival.
And hopefully the weather just doesn't spoil us
because the end of May is beautiful in Warsaw.

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When laser show?
We cannot speak about it.
Stronger lasers.
Last year also we couldn't speak about it.
It's not us.
It's not us who emit those photons strongly
strongly in certain shapes on important strategic buildings this is not us somebody else did it and

(55:15):
maybe somebody else will do it this year so you need to come to check it yeah i mean it was
spontaneous last year right we were there miraculously a couple of minutes after the
halving there was a laser show it's amazing when the universe lines itself up so nicely and i
suspect that's going to happen this year too because why not right yeah last year we were

(55:37):
we were manipulating uh the global hash right for the halving to happen exactly at our halving party
at 420 and exactly when we the lasers suddenly yes stars aligned but also we manipulated hash
power that's the truth this year there is no halving so we only manipulate stars
right you know the funny thing about the halving was it was maybe 30 minutes if it had been 30

(56:05):
minutes later it would have been 4 20 a.m on 4 20 it ended up being 3 30 or something like that
well there was some place on earth when it was 4 20 right even solar time in solar time possibly yes
so Tomek you know this is your third year
what are the learnings you're taking from year two right I mean that was a bigger event because

(56:33):
it was a halving party presumably but what are the learnings that you got out of that event and
you had a year to digest and reflect on them and and you plan to implement in this year fest Well as always you make your new Year resolution after the event and then you don stick to it And then you plan ahead that you will have a whole graphic design

(56:54):
and the program ready agenda a few months before the event.
Of course, you do it, we do it quite on a late agenda.
It could be done very much earlier, but we are getting better.
And I guess even this year, we will already announce dates for the BFF26,
because everything is just going more smoothly every year.

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And also, I think the biggest lesson that we had from the halving party,
which was full in various activities, as you know, and we actually had more planned.
We wanted to have these European halving games.
We had these competitions, which luckily we decided not to start with,
because we would just crumble under intensity
and there was just not enough yet also people

(57:39):
to justify so many activities.
So this year we go more lean.
We wake up and mobilize our team of volunteers later,
so they come and enjoy the festival.
The work before is mostly done by Shalala and myself.

(58:00):
But we just go more lean.
And we know that this is not the event that needs to overgrow the content behind it.
Or, you know, the movies are great.
We are in between.
And there will be more value if we do it, as I mentioned, every year smaller without, like, you know, putting so much energy and, like, creating this huge thing which just wouldn't be sustainable.

(58:26):
and I think this way going clean
I'm more certain
about the future
of Bitcoin Film Fest because it looks like
oh yeah we can actually do it
smoother and easier
and it's still a fun nice event
without overselling it too much for example
because we don't need to, people are coming
anyway, they hear about us

(58:47):
at Plep Chain Radio
but you know you raised a
really important point, I think most people
don't appreciate this, is this
is all a team of volunteers
right Aza that there is not a lot of money to be made here you're doing this because you love what
you do Aza yeah I mean definitely we are doing it because we love it I like personally I do it

(59:12):
because this is what I believe in I quit actually twice or three times my fiat jobs and later crypto
slash web3job.
So I'm officially unemployed,
working more than ever,
and I feel happier and more satisfied than ever.
So it's beautiful.
And I think everything we are doing

(59:33):
as Bitcoin Film Fest,
it's also, you know,
like helping in the long term
this entire community
because we have filmmakers,
ads, cameramen, artists, musicians,
and it's paying back.
So yeah, it's awesome.
Like you don't always need money
to feel gratitude and to be paid by doing your job.

(59:55):
So, yeah.
And Tomek?
Yeah, Avi, if Bitcoin goes to zero,
just think about all the friends we gained along the way.
That is true.
But honestly, speaking of money,
so I hope that some money will be coming faster

(01:00:17):
and bigger tranches to the filmmaking industry because as you also before you guys raised the
topic you said that it's not very cheap and easy to produce quality content this is the first thing
and also I hope that yeah we will get like also valuable sponsors because yeah we are doing it

(01:00:37):
as volunteers not to earn money but you know everything we do also cost money so yeah this
is like a pretty important topic i mean talking about money i think it's it should be a natural
thing at least so yeah i also hope that um bitcoin film fest will be more recognized by

(01:00:57):
some specific brands that will appreciate um collaboration by rewarding us um financially
you know that just triggered a thought as a what you said about uh you know needing a lot of money
to make quality content.
There's got to be some angle here
that I'm not quite able to think about

(01:01:19):
where Bitcoin gains can be laundered into cinema
by funding great art.
Or maybe it doesn't have to be money laundering.
It can be tax loss harvesting of some sort.
I need to think this through a little more.
I mean, you do see that happening in modern art, right?

(01:01:41):
There is so much money laundering with modern art.
And I wonder if there's an angle for film as well.
Don't try this at home, kids.
If you're a sponsor, if you're listening to the show,
approach Bitcoin Film Festival.
Let's get some sponsorships.

(01:02:03):
Let's allow them to not worry about the financials
and focus on their art.
That is their planning.
That is their event.
Um, and, uh, let's just get the flywheel effect going.
Thanks, but I think it's also for the entire cultural realm, right?
I mean, thanks to, um, Noster, now it's much easier to even like collect the limit of, um,

(01:02:28):
zaps, um, whether you are a musician or like whichever, um, artistic, um, forms you, you
practice.
So thanks to Noster, it's much, much easier, but you know, all these people are,
somehow also they need food they need shelter right even as basic things or just materials to
perform their work so um i really hope there will be no money laundering but i hope that

(01:02:52):
more people um from different angles will just appreciate art a little bit more um and just try
to find ways to collaborate to just you know value for value or just like directly sponsor
because they see a point in this area.
So, let's see.

(01:03:14):
Indeed.
A wise man once said, money laundering is beautiful,
but probably not a good idea to do it.
We should do a show on that, Avi.
There is a Bitcoiner talk that the title is
Money Laundering is Beautiful,
but it's obviously tongue-in-cheek.

(01:03:34):
So, what are you thinking?
Sounds like a very libertarian talk.
Yeah, exactly.
Actually, on that topic, on a more serious note,
obviously you're talking about doing 2026 now.
Presumably, it is not too much of a financial burden, right?

(01:03:56):
Meaning you're at least breaking even on these things
because I've seen the amount of work that goes into this, right?
firsthand I've seen the amount of production
and the staff and everything else
well obviously many of them are volunteers
but still
presumably you're not losing
money on this
no no no this is actually
we put some money into the

(01:04:18):
first edition
because of course you need to build a brand
and many things
cost more
the first time
and some of the
decorations we can reuse
But still, now we put money into the first event and the next one we actually had some savings on top of the costs, mostly thanks to sponsors.

(01:04:44):
Tickets, of course, contribute to it, but most of the budget comes from sponsors.
And this year we expect even larger surplus so we can sustain this activism for a whole year because really the film festival, the event in Warsaw,
is one of the various things that we as Bitcoin Film Fest are doing.

(01:05:06):
So for this to exist and for this monthly newsletter and research and network
and the promotion of Bitcoin Cinema, I think it's also growing in a good tempo.
We have some funds, we have some savings now, and thanks to sponsors we can finance and tickets.
We can finance this event and make it better.

(01:05:26):
No, actually, we can't complain on that side.
and thanks to all of our supporters.
And on our website you can find their logos and thanks and credits.
But I believe they do it mostly from their good heart
because they want to support Bitcoin Cinema.
And also they don't just support the festival.

(01:05:49):
And our sponsors are interested in supporting filmmakers.
That's why they also do it.
So our event is also an opportunity for filmmakers to meet donors
and vice versa, those who want to invest in movies or support them,
they can come and meet filmmakers.
We have dedicated space for that.
We have producers dinner on Saturday
where we match filmmakers with people who want to support films

(01:06:12):
and also a pitch contest on Friday
where 3,000 euros grant is provided by Bitrefill and by Angor.
So, you know, this is something that connects films and audience
and filmmakers and sponsors.
It all needs to go in parallel for us to have better movies faster And you know cinema is also the next industry that Bitcoin eventually will capture We are here already

(01:06:46):
We talked about stories and fiction,
film, Bitcoin films, right?
But when do you see a truly grand production,
like Hollywood quality, just in terms of...
Tarantino gets orange peel.

(01:07:07):
But do you see any Bitcoin stories on the horizon
that could become that?
When is the story of Satoshi going to be?
There are some documentaries, right?
But yeah, this is probably the biggest story
that should be adapted.
It's probably the wealthiest man or woman in the world,

(01:07:30):
the wealthiest figure.
wealthiest is not the first adjective that comes to my mind when I think of
Satoshi he's probably no but when yeah well that too I'm talking about I'm not
sure would it be would he be the wealthiest I guess by liquid assets right
because I know if like you can't Elon Musk assets as like this on the comp on

(01:07:50):
the par with whatever Bitcoin might be on Satoshi's wallet I think yes 5x from
here he probably would be
but go ahead Thomas
this is the biggest story right
in November he was the
in November he was the
guys the fiat world is the best story

(01:08:10):
for a horror comedy
kind of mix
this is like the clown world
I mean we don't need to really like
have a 100% bitcoin movie
if you find a good
sponsor for me I see day and night
anyway I'm the night owl and I write a couple
of scripts promise it will happen eventually right but think about it the entire clown world

(01:08:35):
like what's happening currently in the last whatever years uh as far as we know because
it either goes hundreds yeah cool cool topics it either needs like a strong filmmaker with a
persona and ability being also a producer who got orange peeled and wants to tell some story

(01:08:57):
that is about bitcoin or or maybe somehow with these values for decentralization privacy freedom
somebody maybe like tarantino maybe somebody like zach snyder or this type of persona or we would
need to wait much longer because you guys know how many to make a big studio production how many

(01:09:18):
steps there are, how many people need to accept certain things to happen and come to the cinema,
that you need all of them, all of this script writer, editor, producer, sponsor, distributor,
to be somehow aligned, to tell actually, you know, good, romantic, realistic story,
which is like, story itself is orange peel. There is no Bitcoin, but the story makes you,

(01:09:45):
All right, I don't trust the system.
We need something truer, especially in the realm of money.
Because this is what movies are, right?
What we expect movies to be, to inspire us.
Great, it's great to have educational videos that tell us what is Bitcoin.
Some of them try to tell us what to think.
But the true potential of films and cinema, I guess, in Bitcoin cinema is not yet realized.

(01:10:11):
that lies in this power to influence, inspire,
influence your thoughts to make you think for yourself.
All right, I want true money.
What is this Bitcoin thing maybe comes later
rather than movies telling you, hey, you should get a Bitcoin.
Powerful cinema goes through stories,
through tickling your thoughts,

(01:10:33):
not to putting things onto your thoughts.
And we have to yet wait for such big movies,
but you know some stories like that already happen shorts ai right there is somebody who had this
nice idea and is putting ai helps him put this onto 69 ratio screen that already starts looking
good so maybe ai actually makes such things to come faster who knows i hope yeah and this entire

(01:10:59):
space if i may add something like it's growing you know like look we have also fiction books
better and better we have personally I'm a big fan a new show that is like audio
I cannot call it podcast though they are it's the Bitcoin Citadel Citadel like
the secrets of the Bitcoin Citadel or something so it's like a fiction story

(01:11:22):
that you can just listen like audiobooks some kind of stuff if you haven't
chance just check it out because it's awesome it's new and it's again like
fiction story just woven Bitcoin a little bit somewhere but it's a super
cool stuff you can visually imagine how it looks because it's so real so yeah books um this kind of
thing so more and more coming and faster and faster i think ai can accelerate it and if not

(01:11:47):
something else so the same as for bitcoin adoption i'm like more of you know give it its own pace i
think here we will see probably i hope probably in the next couple of years um quite a huge
acceleration. So let's see. We have zero, I mean, there's no shortage of passion within the

(01:12:10):
club community. So if we can find the tools to accelerate that, it's going to be a truly
remarkable time to be alive, especially in the film and just creative arts in general.
I can see how AI can really accelerate a lot of that. And I know Avi's going to remove the V in

(01:12:31):
his name pretty soon. He's just going to be AI Burra pretty soon.
It's just a matter of time.
My consciousness is in the process of being uploaded to AI.
It is happening soon.
So, Azza, I wanted to talk a couple of other things here.
There's the, you had the Golden Rabbits Awards

(01:12:53):
last year, right? The equivalent of the Oscars
for the film first. And there was Best Picture, there was
best story and the audience choice three rabbits is it going to be the same this year or i think
you said best uh ad as well right so you're adding a fourth category this year
so the poise is a completely separate let's say smaller type of a gala i can still call so the

(01:13:19):
rabbits are dedicated only to the cinema like really pure cinematic works um we are keeping
the same categories as last year um though let's see um how it can develop in the future because if
this year we are introducing this new um genre so to say based on ai which is currently short let's
see maybe we will change the categories in the future but for now yeah we have best story best

(01:13:43):
short best movie audience choice and then the poise is a separate um type of an award or recognition
only for the commercials which are like video ads and then the entire integrated campaign so
actually this year we have two types of awards yeah which is the rabbit for films and then the

(01:14:05):
poey the po um the rabbit po for for advertising for proof of work yes proof of work exactly
or the powys p-o-w-i-e is that right so yes exactly it's like you know because it's again
you see the creativity craziness of our team um so mr rabbit this white rabbit again like

(01:14:29):
many different stories related to to this mascot of the festival um is yeah like representing let's
say the golden rabbit as as tomic said before our native oscars and then you have also different
stories in different cultures that the rabbit's pow is something that brings slack and actually

(01:14:52):
p-o-w which is the proof of work or po from the pop culture it sounds a little bit like a pow so
po poes so it's like a mixing words playing with words um and still keeping them rabbit kind of
related um story behind it so yeah follow the rabbit and come to Warsaw

(01:15:12):
I think this is entering the GIF territory here, Aza,
because P-O-W is, I would never pronounce that Po,
I would pronounce that Pow.
Yeah, I was saying that Pows,
like Pows and so like Powies and Pows,

(01:15:35):
you know, it can be, let's say your brain can trick you
in a different way, so you can somehow relay these things
or you can misspell them or whatever.
So there is some kind of tricky, creative, funny, crazy connection in between.
That's why it's called Poe for Bitcoiners as a proof of work,
but it can also somehow be related to the Poe of the rabbit, the Poe.

(01:16:00):
Right.
All right.
So I know it's early to think about this
because it still heads down with 2025.
But how are you thinking 2026 might be different? Grander in some way?
No, please, no. Let's do the same.

(01:16:21):
It really good even that we don need to change improve many things It goes well as it is and then also it makes our lives easier organizing it Just bigger lasers more drone shows No we just wait for new movies guys
Yeah, exactly.
We try to show every...

(01:16:41):
There is like...
This year we have, what, three premieres, I believe, including shorts.
There is like one, two, three, ten new trailers.
So there is always like...
Things are buzzing.
We have more films that are yet not released rather than released this year.
So I can't wait for them to happen.

(01:17:02):
We already show them and discuss them.
This festival needs to, you know, every year we do this review and selection.
I can't wait for 26 because so many, probably Avi will make a few more episodes of Finding Home.
Maybe Legend of Landry will finally be released.
Maybe Lauren Sikerman will finally release Unbanked.

(01:17:25):
which trailer also we show.
And this movie is finished for over a year.
She keeps it, she keeps it.
Finally, we will see trailer.
This will be a trailer premiere.
Parallel Spaces maybe finally will be done
by a Bitcoiner from Slovakia.
This guy's film fest is good now,
but I can't wait what will be happening in the future.

(01:17:47):
So many good titles coming.
And you were switching to May now, Domek,
for next year as well?
Is that the plan?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Better weather, better sun, of course.
It was brutally cold last year.
It was in April.
Don't say so.
It's not brutally.
Two years ago we made it in March.
It was a bit warmer.
But yes, April, by Polish sayings, is very mixed, mixed

(01:18:12):
and by experience as well, very mixed month in the weather.
So it's it was sunny all week.
Just festival.
Avi came to Poland and it started raining.
Avi left, sun came up again.
I don't know what was it.
It was probably coinciding with Film Festival.
Now, this year we expect, I was checking,
I'm checking every day and I was the forecast
and so far looks good.

(01:18:35):
Can I ask, so if I go back to Film Fest in 23, 24,
is there some sort of a directory
or some way I can actually go back and watch films?
It's kind of a quick...
This is this part of the website
that is still behind the curtains.
oh okay yeah because i mean obviously if i'm hearing about it now i'm questioning there is

(01:18:58):
actually what happened last year what happened the year before now we are uh often writing about it
but uh we partner with indie hub studio which is podcasting 2.0 but for videos i know maybe
video casting 2.0 very nice bitcoiner platform for vod and for netflix-like experience and we had

(01:19:20):
this VOD last
year for the film festival because not everybody
can attend in person
so you can guys acquire
digital tickets. Not everybody
who comes even to festival can see
everything so for 60
days after the festival
attendees and digital ticket holders
they have access to VOD

(01:19:40):
and those films are screened
on IndieHub
and also you can access films
from last year so
if you come to website and get
a digital ticket you can see last year movies there as well yeah fair point but maybe something
also extra to add um you know if the movie is deciding to premiere with us a good example is

(01:20:05):
alana the winner of last year the best movie dirty coin for a while at least like a year it will not
be really um available online um or for a couple of months six months or something so that's another
kind of reason why maybe you should decide to come and watch it with us on a big screen because

(01:20:27):
other than the festival or maybe a couple of other festivals you will not access it online anyway
maybe somehow you will get this vod like a temporary access um very exclusive but otherwise
it's only um around 12 months 24 months um going from festival to festival after a premiere so that's
standard.

(01:20:49):
Yeah, that reminds me of the Shooter episode, Avi.
I think he was trying to, he was hoping Netflix or HBO would pick it up, and it was kind of
just a one-watch ticket type of thing.
Well, actually, on that point, KW, so here's a question, Tom, Mike.
How come Shooter's movie isn't part of the lineup?

(01:21:10):
Oh, it's a part of lineup on VOD.
we as you know like so we need to select films and the priority is also taken by people who come
in person to the festival shooter unfortunately couldn't couldn't make it but we hope to show it
next year this year it will be available on indie hub so it's still it's also considered

(01:21:33):
for golden rabbits because it's probably the main contender being one of the best bitcoin
films released last year so let's see what Julie says yeah but that's another advantage right it's
not only like that you're having screenings you have the entire experience because if the crew
is coming or at least the director you have a Q&A session you can meet them you can you know chat

(01:21:54):
have a drink and stuff so you have this entire festival experience it's not like you just go to
the theater and you watch something and then maybe in the best case scenario you talk to a couple of
people about it but you can really meet these people and learn more about the story behind and
this and that so that's another um i would say unique that something that makes this whole

(01:22:14):
experience very unique great so tomek as uh anything else uh you want to plug
i can plug guys stay selfie stay healthy watch good movies enjoy good bitcoin events come if not

(01:22:37):
this year one year to warsaw or wherever we will be doing on film festival because it's not a
bitcoin conference it's a cultural event not only about bitcoin but about good art good sound good
people and if you are one of them come over yeah i can support the same um yeah use master more

(01:23:00):
um support independent creators um try to also be active in this realm because even by consuming
content and and giving feedback and making comments yeah you are also a creator in a way
and nostril is amazing um so yeah i hope more and more people will be actively using it not only as
social media because it's way beyond that.

(01:23:21):
And I hope to see some of you
at least in two weeks
actually in Warsaw.
Yeah, I would love to see
Zap.Stream
having movie
premieres where everyone can
chat while they're watching.
We will be streaming to Zap.Stream
at BFFTV.
We'll have a remote

(01:23:43):
studio at the Film Festival so
if you guys cannot come in
person, you can watch
not movies but reporters interviews with our guests with filmmakers some shorts some
advertisements some trailers will be also screened online so i expect if everything happens good
inshallah if we organize this stream properly for today saturday and sunday of the festival

(01:24:07):
on nostr in polish afternoon you will be able to see five hours on each day of various content
from talks through quiz to shorts advertisement and of course sponsors thank you and chat with
you guys on nostril you will see us on zapstream as well so expect the bitcoin film fest on zapstream
amazing

(01:24:30):
your name speaking of like uh um twisting or changing words um connected to inshallah
Avi sounds a little bit like Abby.
In Turkish, you would literally pronounce your name this way,
which officially means brother, but you really use it as bro.
So whenever you go to Turkey, expect that when you introduce yourself,

(01:24:53):
people might look at you kind of like, huh?
Bro, bro, bro, bro.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Today I learned.
Yeah, language lesson at the end.
Love it.
Anything else from you, QW?

(01:25:14):
No, no, that's it.
Every time I have this show, I get just FOMO
because I really want to go to Poland.
And same with Prague.
I mean, there's a few of them that, you know, I just...
And Madeira also.
Those are probably the top three for me
that we have conversations and I just want to be there.

(01:25:34):
So one day, it's a bucket list.
Excellent.
Well, Tomek, Aza, really appreciate both of you taking the time.
I know it's late in Poland.
Thank you for the invite, guys.
It was a pleasure.
Thank you, audience who was commenting on Nostr.
Good morning, everyone.

(01:25:56):
Yes, indeed.
Thank you to our live audience.
Yeah, it was beautiful talking with you again for the third time, Tomek.
And Aza, pleasure to meet you.
So anybody listening, please support the Value for Value movement.
Join us on the Noster Client Fountain.
Make your presence felt and give us a little love.

(01:26:18):
And we'll see you next week.
Goodbye.

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