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We'll be leaving soon, you just got another job offer.
Right now.
Three seconds to go.
Right now.
150k starting.
You want double your salary?
No problem.
We're here with, this is a light, this is a light and airy episode.
Sal, welcome to the show.
How's it going guys?
Sal was a guest spot while Max was in Italy for our photographer episode, right?
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Yes.
Is the photographer on?
Wedding photographer.
You want to drop the top of that hat, like push it down, it's like sticking to the top.
Oh, I did that on purpose.
I rated the dollar store for all this Christmas stuff.
Appreciate it.
Looks good, what do you think?
Looks great.
Yeah?
Yeah.
All right.
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It's got an eye for decor.
A for effort.
You know what, we're going to keep it light today guys.
It's been a long year.
Guys, what do we do today?
We're just going to reflect on our year as blue collar tradesmen.
Today was a rainy day.
We were actually prepping for a new guy to come in, which I was excited about.
I don't know if you want to talk about it, but.
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We can.
I listen, I get why he didn't.
No call no show?
No, he called.
He called, but so you can only, you can only sponsor if you're a company.
You can only, one plumber can sponsor only one guy.
One license to one.
One license to one sponsor.
So, and I'm almost done being sponsored.
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Max is next.
So he's going to have to have a year after that.
It doesn't matter dog.
You don't like your handlers?
You're like the grinch dog.
I got a big job coming kitchen, kitchen reno bro.
At your house?
Oh yeah.
He'll be there.
What are you going to do?
Are you going to change the footprint?
Yes.
Sink is moving to the back window.
Oh, so you need, you need good plumbing work.
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We got you bro.
Gas station.
How did you start?
What did you, because you're blue collar.
What do you do though?
I manage new construction.
Now you manage, but I started as a driving a truck.
Oh, you just started driving a truck driver.
$18 an hour, 2010.
So how'd you get into what you're, where you are now?
Step by step by step.
It's the same company?
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No, you started.
Now I worked for.
Bring us closer to.
I'm on my fourth company.
Okay.
So you went from truck driving to managing multimillion dollar projects.
Oh yeah.
That's huge.
Yeah, that's general contracting.
How did you do that?
I worked out of the shop.
It was in Queens.
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Left there, worked for a subcontractor doing.
Can you go to the city every day?
Can you commute to the city every day?
No, that's going to be the problem.
Nah, you drive with me.
It's cool.
I don't take public transportation.
I think we discussed this.
Yeah.
My brother takes the jitney.
He works at New York Presbyterian and he said it's cheaper because they don't get paid
parking if you work in the hospital.
You don't get parking as a worker over there.
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You don't?
You don't?
You have to pay for parking.
And the tolls in the parking, he said, is going to cost him more and be more of a headache
if you have to find parking.
My neighbor works at Columbia.
Hold on.
I just bought a Tesla for that reason.
Yeah.
Well, what does a Tesla have to do with anything?
You get rebates every time you cross the bridge when you have like electric.
Oh.
So he works at a hospital and the hospital charges him to park at the hospital.
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Yeah.
I think it's only the doctors that get reserve parking.
That's the most insane thing I've ever heard in my life.
What's the, what's the, that's, you don't forget it.
I draw a site safety plan and make a nook for my car on every job I'm on.
Good.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
Yeah, you should do that.
I do.
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No, the city's ridiculous with that stuff.
If you're ridiculous, if they walk through your job site and it's dirty, they'll charge
you like, how much?
Like $22,000?
500 to 5,000 housekeeping fines.
Housekeeping fines.
Yep.
Imagine having to put a water heater, imagine having to put a water heater in an apartment
building, having to park, find parking.
Speaking of fines though, you know, city, you get a fine for the extension cord being on
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the floor.
What?
Being on the floor.
Yep.
Why?
Were you supposed to put it?
Raised, elevated.
You put it on like whole horses or something?
Overhead.
Framing.
Dude.
I'm being dead serious.
I don't know how people tolerate the city, man.
It's crazy.
I don't know.
I mean, I am pretty smooth talker.
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Like I get away with a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
I know you don't, it's hard for you to believe, Phil, but it's a true.
I believe that.
I believe you're shysty little, you're shysty and you're fast talker and double talker and
just to get out of it.
I bet you weren't punished very much as a kid.
Were you?
You got away with everything.
I never got.
I feel like this episode is going to be the two of you airing out a lot of.
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There's nothing to punish for.
Nothing to get punished for.
No, no, you just, just not never got rolling through.
That's the key.
So anyway, end of the year.
We're almost to the new year.
I don't think we're going to do a new year's episodes.
Too much work, but anyway, let's just, uh, I don't know.
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After the air about the year, how was your year with courts plumbing with C P and H?
It's good.
We did a lot of traveling.
There's a lot of ups and downs with, uh, with the industry, but I mean, this was a rough
year for us.
It was.
So I said, there's a lot of you finished school this year.
Last year.
No, 2024.
It was earlier this year.
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Yeah.
That's right.
Yeah.
It was earlier this year.
I'm finishing up by the end of this year.
And, uh, it was a rough year.
A lot of, a lot of ups and downs.
I just saw, I think I may have sent it to you on Instagram, a statistic about one in every
something plumbers.
One every seven.
How plumbers are going to be a necessity in the, in the upcoming years.
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I mean, they've been a necessity, but they're, no one's getting into plumbing.
Everyone will go to electrical or they'll get there like contracting or HVAC, but no
one's getting into plumbing because it's gross.
It's a gross job.
It's also different.
Everybody thinks it's easy.
I think what happened is, is with the internet and with the invention of certain tools like
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ProPress, Pex, all that kind of stuff, people see it and they go, Oh, I can do that.
Like we've had people say to us, Oh, it's just a faucet.
You know, what's the problem?
And they're like, we said that.
Remember when we went on to that proposal the other day?
Yeah.
We, people don't realize that sometimes I have to take a saw to your nice granite countertop
and cut the thing out.
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Without damaging the countertop.
Without damaging the countertop because it's welded to your countertop because of the rust
and the calcium and everything like that.
So people don't take that.
I mean, I hate everything about PVC.
What?
PVC you hate?
You hate PVC though?
I don't like doing it.
I don't like elbows, this, that.
Can I do it?
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Yeah, probably, but I'd rather just not do it.
How old are you?
Like that I get.
36.
That I understand that you're like, I just rather not do it because if I can pay somebody
to do it.
Like for instance, Phil doesn't do clean outs.
Yeah.
He doesn't clean clean outs.
So I actually redid my cleanup.
I excavated my front lawn, rerouted through my garage.
Clean clean outs.
I thought you don't do that.
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Well, we don't do drain augers now.
Yeah.
So I sell it out.
So mine, mine backed up a few times.
That I'll do.
Yeah.
I trenched everything, connected the pipe, made sure the pitch was there, did that nonsense
test.
I don't know what test it is, but something with the pressure test or a smoke test pressure
test with the town.
Yeah.
They made you do that.
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Yeah.
Listen, the, which is surprising though, because you don't need to be a licensed plumber to
do the, you don't need to be a licensed plumber to auger to snake drains.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you don't.
So I literally capped my old one, which was horrible route.
It went to the backyard.
It was probably to a seepage bit.
They capped it and did a 90 and a 90 for my backyard.
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So every time I got to the site, those 90s.
Yeah.
I made a straight, the only thing I did was like a slight 45 out of my garage, which was
just like a long sweep.
So you can do, you can do this.
I can do it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I just, I just choose not to.
Starting 350 grand a year.
Being on my back looking up nonsense underneath the sink.
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The thing about plumbing is people, people think that you're, you just filthy every day.
You're not.
It's actually, I've got to take it back when I said before it's not a, there are days
where you're disgusting.
You're covered in sewer dust.
Like the other day with the, with the Santa flow system.
Yeah.
Do you do new, do you do new houses?
I'm trying to get into that because the thing is once the summer comes around, it's all
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renovations, but we're only two guys.
I'm trying to get other guys in here.
You can't do renovations with one or two guys.
You got to be able to rough out the house in one day or a day and a half.
That's like, like for me, I love like the new building.
You do it with storm riser straight up.
Yeah.
Sanitary.
Okay.
Services is totally different, totally different animal.
I see that.
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Coming into these river edge houses that are 1940s.
They all went up in 1940s with these tiny little basements and these drooping cast iron, lead
bends everywhere, lead feeds to the water lines.
Services way more expensive.
They box the house in on the, like on the old cast iron.
So you're cutting out serious floor joists that are, you know,
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But services where the money is, right?
Yeah.
The money is, if you do it right, a lot of guys around here, they don't know what to
charge.
They don't know their numbers.
They kind of like, well, you know, I've been charging this since like, whenever.
And the thing is, if all these guys will get on the same page, like we say, we call it,
it's the blue collar revolution right now because blue collar guys are finally realizing
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that we make the world go around, especially since COVID.
We make the world go around, but we live in shanties and it shouldn't be like that.
If you want good plumbing, what?
Shanty, shanty, shanty.
If you want good plumbing and you want a good plumber, you got to pay for that, especially
in this area.
I told the guy in here last week, I was like, dude, we have to live here too.
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You want all your, all your landscapers and plumbers to commute from like southeastern
Pennsylvania to drive up here and do your job for slave wages.
It's not happening.
You know, and plumbing has to, you put in plumbing, it's got to last for 50 years.
Yeah.
You know, my insurance is through the roof.
Why, what are you, what are you gearing up to say right now?
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I was going to say something about, I'm funny about my hot water heater, but I didn't.
What about it?
Nothing, cause Max put it in, not you.
Okay.
So, so I guess it's flawless then.
It was flawless.
Good.
You still getting hot water?
Yeah, of course.
No cold spots.
I got a cold spot this afternoon.
Why?
I don't know.
In the, in the hot water?
I got like, ran the hot water.
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I was in the shower, hot, little quick little sensation of cold and went back to hot.
Normal I think, right?
Maybe not.
You might have to put an expansion tank on it.
Yeah.
We got to put an expansion tank in a recirculation line.
It's going to cost you about two grand.
Yeah, no problem.
How was your year?
Year was great.
Sounded amazing.
What?
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It sounded amazing from what you said before.
I did great this year.
Yeah.
Me personally, yes.
But my company and I, we finished a 44 story tower.
Where?
Brooklyn.
Downtown Brooklyn.
I got, I got interrupted because I have to know how you got into it because you're doing
major million dollar projects now.
Yeah, this was a.
In New York City, you're not.
280 million dollar job.
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He's just a glorified BFM.
No.
No, no, no.
I don't know what BFM stands for.
Yeah.
It's just a, it's just like a.
We'll tell you on the side.
Yeah, we'll tell you on the side.
We may came with this, for general contract, we came with this nickname for him and we
can't say it on, on camera.
But like the guys, the guys are schmuck.
Like, you know, he puts together.
He gets contractors.
He gets together and.
Get asked him on and call him a schmuck.
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But it's kind of what I do though.
Yeah, you're GC.
Yeah.
But I'm saying.
He's just an overpaid GC.
Okay, but you, you went from driving a truck.
He doesn't deserve his wage.
To like, I have to know you have to have had some general knowledge in plumbing, electrical,
age.
I started, I started as driving a truck.
Then I did a lot of exterior stuff.
So with the exterior I was doing was windows.
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Who'd you know?
Who got you the job?
Nobody.
That's the best part.
I just sat and sat and sat and sat and sat and sat.
And anybody who couched me that I worked from the bottom to the top.
Okay, Drake.
That's bottom.
Now we're here.
So with windows, obviously it comes with waterproofing.
I dealt with a lot of masonry openings.
I knew about brick.
It took me a little bit learning, framing, sheet rock, electrical.
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You're just mostly scheduling and you're making the job site.
You're making sure the job site goes smooth.
Yes and no.
Yes and no.
What do you think about the blue collar revolution?
You think it needs to happen?
You think it's overdue?
It is overdue.
It's going to happen.
I had, I saw the saddest video on the other day, this old, old plumber guy.
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Can't afford to retire.
He's still working at like 75 years old and he's putting in a water heater.
The water line broke.
He didn't shut the main down.
He can't move.
He's holding the water.
He's panicking and the homeowner is just filming the flood happening in his basement.
I guess he called for a shutdown at the street and you can hear in this guy's voice the desperation
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and then just done with life.
It was so sad.
It was so sad.
Yeah, it was so sad.
Like the point of view footage of the homeowner.
The homeowner was, she was, she's like, he's like, he's like, are they here to shut down
the water?
She's like, no, I'm just filming for reasons.
He's like, get out there.
I need them here.
Like, what are you doing down here?
Come on.
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And the guy is soaked from head to toe.
He's got to be 75, still working, can't afford to retire.
And I refuse to run a business like that.
Like we're valuable.
We're valuable in what we do.
Is this a New Jersey native?
I don't know.
It was just on, it was just on like, like plumbing disasters, Instagram page or something.
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But it was just, it's just so sad.
And when you go to school, you really don't learn much about retirement or you were a
little bit of law and ethics business wise, but they don't, you got to figure that out
for yourself.
And a lot of guys will just literally for decades, just float through doing the bare
minimum, changing a flabber, doing this, doing that without building their business
into something that they can sell it and retire on or build to the point where they can step
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back and have a new guy come in and make the money.
And people will be like, oh, that's selfish.
Like, what do you mean make money?
It's just like, this is a livelihood.
This is what everybody does.
I had some guy online.
I was arguing with him because I argue one of the courts account nicely.
You know, I don't get like vulgar or anything.
But you know, I talked about like, well, you got to be able to buy a new truck when you
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need a new truck or repair the truck and all this stuff.
And the guy is, I, I, he goes, I just think it's, I just think it's BS that you're just
passing that cost onto the customer.
It's like idiot.
What do you think all business is?
Do you think Amazon is just absorbing expenses?
All that expense is passed on to the customer.
I'm not here to pay to keep my money.
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I'm here to make money.
I'm here to be profitable.
And the guy was like, what is this?
I shouldn't be charging over this.
Like, what do you know?
What do you know what plumbers should be charging?
Have you actually sat down and figured out what plumbers have to pay out in insurance
and workman's comp and truck payment and repair and gas and your office person and stocking
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the truck with material?
Nobody sits down and thinks about that.
What are you going to say now?
I'm not going to say anything with that smirk.
I know you're just on the rant right now.
I could, this is the rant episode.
Let's do that.
He's not a customer of yours anymore.
No, he was a guy, just on guy and commenting on Instagram.
Oh.
And I was like, no, because I actually get, you get, people will see that conversation.
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They'll start following me.
I get followers out of like, yeah.
I get followers when I make a good point.
Absolutely.
Frankie, what's the matter?
You want to go down?
Are you done with being a reindeer for the episode?
All right.
Say goodbye.
So there's just.
Don't sit next to me.
Why do you hate her?
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I don't.
You do.
Tell me what, tell me your beef with Frankie's because she's not a real dog.
Of course that's a real dog.
Walking on four feet.
It's kind of miserable.
Her spine is deteriorating.
It's because you put her in that truck every day to shove her in there.
She sits.
She's miserable.
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These dogs are, are these dogs miserable?
No, they have.
They have a life.
These dogs live the life.
Are you kidding me?
They have a, they have a purple mattress dog bed in the truck.
Purple.
You know how much a purple mattress is?
No, I don't have a dog.
They're thousands of dollars.
I get annoyed when this dog runs around my house.
Even there's a plumbing issue at my house.
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Your daughters love it.
I know they do.
That's why he doesn't like it is because then they go, daddy, we want a daughter.
He have a, my, my older one, older daughter wants like a ski.
She wants like a Rottweiler.
Nightmares.
I'm like, Riley, you're not going to walk that thing.
I'm going to walk it.
I can't believe you're a family man now.
Why?
Because I just remember when you were this 19, 20 year old kid, like, petering into the
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pizza place.
Saying I was going to kick your ass because you tried to send me home.
Now he's running a multi-million dollar project.
Just like a total screw up.
Like how did, what happened?
I don't know.
We were just talking the other day.
I used to have to go right into that pizza place at like midnight drunk with my friends
and make pizzas.
I had a police scanner, Max.
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And I put it on Oradell police scanner.
You can like Google it.
It's common knowledge.
And I would walk in the back door after a shift on a Saturday night, trays of chicken
fingers, mozzarella sticks, pizzas.
I wonder why we never made money.
I got yelled at one time.
They're like, Sal, what happened to all the honey mustard?
Nothing about mozzarella sticks and chicken fingers being gone.
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This was before I think Phil's time.
That's because you're chugging honey mustard.
Oh, I used to destroy the honey mustard there.
That was a fun job.
But it was just, you know, that needed an overhaul.
I had a TRJ message me the other day.
Really?
Yeah.
What did he have to say?
Larry wants to get some drinks.
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You want to go?
And I said, I suppose.
TRJ, what does TRJ stand for?
Tong Ring Joe.
Tong Ring Joe.
Yep.
Tong Ring Joe.
I can only imagine the characters over there.
And then it became Terrage.
Terrage.
Then there's, Larry was RDLG.
He used to leave me on Saturdays to go to Romantic Depot.
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So RDLG was Romantic Depot, Larry Goldman.
Yeah, fun times.
If you have a cash business, if you own a cash business, you have to be there as the
owner.
Or it'll turn into that shit show.
17 years old.
Just turned 17.
First.
It was all high school kids from her video.
My first 17th birthday, I'm delivering pizzas.
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Sometime goes by.
And I'm watching these guys make pizzas.
I'm like, yo, I could do that.
No problem.
Asshole 19-year-old that I am.
I start messing around.
They're like, yeah, you could do it.
One week later, I'm making pizzas.
These guys are just leaving me there by myself.
Was it good pizza?
Did they have good pizza over there?
We did good.
We did good.
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We had a good sauce recipe.
I remember when we were working in a pizza restaurant doing the work for the pizza place.
And then he goes, yo, I used to make pizzas.
That's how I, you know, filled out.
And he goes, let me make a pizza because everything was still kind of working, the
old stuff.
He throws a pizza in the oven.
Yeah, you made a pizza, but it came out burnt to crap.
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Oh, because we forgot about it.
We put it in the oven and it totally forgot.
It kept working.
So I went to where we work, Trio's, same oven.
Same oven.
I know.
I was just saying the, uh, the, uh, dough thing in the back.
Same.
That table, those dough things on that table, that wooden table read, mix the sauce.
Same.
I used to hate cutting the cheese, dude.
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Oh my God.
Brutal.
Why?
I just hated it.
I wanted no part of it.
I love shredding cheese.
The shredding, the cheese was the worst.
That's the best because you get the, you get the, you get the big block of mozzarella.
Yeah.
Then you got to chop it.
No, no, no.
You take the whole thing and you just, it's so satisfying.
It comes down.
They used to make us do different cheeses.
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Do you remember that?
No.
Yeah.
Well, that was before your time.
Have you tried, have you tried that he was on our podcast, Grumpy's Pizzeria?
Where is it?
In, uh, in the world.
The best pizza.
The best pizza.
Really?
The best.
I went there a couple of days ago.
We'll go there.
Just skip your daughter's cheerleading thing.
We'll go over there.
I'm going to Biagio's.
It's good food there.
It is good food.
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Biagio's does have good food.
So what else we got going on?
What'd you learn this year?
What have you learned this year as a blue collar tradesman?
Nothing.
Poser.
Nothing?
I learned to not hire specific trades for the next building.
Not hire specific trades?
Yes.
Or companies?
Companies for trades.
Yes.
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My mistake.
Okay.
So that's, that's fair.
So you learned the hard way on some things.
Yeah.
So specific trades.
I learned that we are not.
Which ones?
Electrician.
Like, so for instance, this building I just finished, 44 stories.
The owner is building a 63 story right behind it.
They want to use the same GC, us.
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They requested for myself and my PM, project manager Chris.
And then he wants specific companies for specific trades.
They would like everyone back because it went so smooth.
I think profited on that job like 22 million.
Pennies.
We spend that as the United States government spends that every second.
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Okay.
Something like that.
But it's, it's crazy Max.
The amount that goes into it like right now, we haven't started a single thing.
Didn't even start foundation.
We're buying out logistics, sidewalk sheds, the hoist on the building.
Sidewalk shed.
Like a sidewalk shed, like overhead protection, like, you know, when you walk in.
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Oh, yeah.
Gotcha.
Crazy rules.
I'm fighting with DOT for a lane closure right now on the one street because there's
a church across the street.
So the church is like, well, Sundays we need to park here.
We had a meeting with the church, DOT.
So we got it so they could park in a no parking on the adjacent street.
It's crazy how much planning goes into it before you even start.
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What about like theft on the job?
Well, you guys are out there working.
Well, that's like my number one thing.
You guys, is that your number one issue to do with?
Yes.
Is theft.
Yeah.
I mean, like, I don't, are you talking about theft like worker to worker?
So I love to make the job like Fort Knox.
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I have, I already drew the logistics plan.
I have turnstiles at two ends of the building.
I got two security guards that are shown on the safety plan.
It's a lot.
I have to get submitted to the Department of Buildings.
It's a lot of steps and are you are you mostly like administrative doing paperwork or is
that somebody like you have an office?
No, like I'll draw that paperwork.
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Other people submit it expeditors for my company.
Hmm.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So it doesn't seem like you just sit back doing nothing.
No, I don't.
I mean, you sure come home, come, come back to Jersey clean every day.
Clean as a whistle.
The most part.
I mean, depends on the day you have to understand that, especially in New York City, there's
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so many layers that you have to deal with.
I guarantee you if that job is over on this side of the bridge, there's probably no rules
in the Jersey.
Yeah, there's not even.
Well, it's just the same thing with just over there.
It's the same thing with plumbing.
It costs like eight grand to put in a water heater in New York.
Did you know that?
Yeah, because you have to not just the cost of the material, but like he said, ridiculous.
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Yeah.
Like I can't sit back and like I know you think I probably just sit back and do nothing
like with the permits and stuff.
No, I think there's a there's a PW two permit.
So my license goes on that.
I have a Department of Buildings license.
Okay.
So you're putting yourself at risk.
Yeah.
School for that.
Or is like a training course class.
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This class is you have to take you have to have X amount of experience.
You got to get letters from other people.
X amount of experience like working under somebody.
Eight years experience.
You're just a trade.
Underneath a general super.
Okay.
As a general as a general contract.
I'm proud of you.
You know, if I would never manage you at the pizza place, you would have never made it
this far.
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Probably not.
I taught you all those skills.
Yeah.
Remember those Ed Hardy jeans that somebody gave to you and you wore them every day for
like with the skull.
Two months.
I still have.
You do?
Yeah.
He got somebody gave him Ed Hardy and as soon as they give him Ed Hardy jeans, he walks
in and he's like, check on my jeans, bro.
Look at you.
Someone gave these to me, dude.
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Someone just gave you.
They were like $280.
Yeah.
I was 21 years old.
And you would wear them to work.
Yeah.
I put the apron on.
Ridiculous, dude.
I don't buy anything over $20.
I was never about the apron, by the way, Max, like tying it around the neck.
I would fold it in half, make it like a fill.
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Yeah.
Tie it up top.
Looking handsome with it on.
Yeah.
I would wear it in the appearance.
My cousin would be in the back with.
You were just completely fabricating things in your head right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fabricate means live.
I can't say what my cousin used to do, right?
No, you can't.
No.
My God.
His cousin was such a ball buster.
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Oh, what have you learned this year?
What have I learned this year?
Oh, man.
I mean, with the company.
Yeah.
With the company.
About yourself, personally.
I'll say this is that.
I guess it's solidified that I want to be in the trades, but from a couple of people
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that we've had on the show yourself actually now, the last guest that we had Mike Medalia
is that he wants to be in a different trade.
No, no, no.
It's not that I want to be in a different trade.
You don't want to do this forever.
You don't want to be underneath the sinks.
You don't want to be the 75 year old guy.
Exactly.
You don't want to be that guy forever.
So you want to eventually have like my uncle just got it this year too.
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An administrative like GC type job.
He works for the New York state.
All right.
He builds the science classrooms for all of like SUNY school district.
So he's not allowed to.
He's very hands on type of person and he's not allowed to be hands on anymore.
He's got to manage the jobs.
And I think people think when they get into the trades, oh, it's just going to be working
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with your hands for the rest of your life, getting underneath sinks, changing out water
heaters, all that kind of stuff.
But eventually you can make your way up and manage those people, you know, like what kind
of like what you're doing and make very good money.
Yeah.
So it's like opened up my eyes kind of the last probably year into where I want to take
myself in this trade.
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So I'm going to work to the day.
Will you still do the podcast if you leave courts woman?
Yeah.
I enjoy this podcast.
I enjoy the podcast.
I was talking to someone the other day about doing a podcast in the mornings that I work
with.
I don't know.
We just were talking on the way in a couple of times.
It's early.
I go in super early like five.
You think that it'll be interesting to other people?
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I don't know because I was thinking no video like this, but it would be like just a phone
call.
We'd call it the drive in.
Yeah.
Because nobody knows what it's like.
I mean, at least you two don't.
What it's like to get up at five to commute to the city.
It's literally a rat race.
Yeah.
You are racing people.
I should do video.
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I should put like a dash cam.
The dash cam would be cool.
Like I ripped down Kinderkermack when I get on route four.
Forget it.
Is it's that bad if I'm calling morning?
If I don't get to the bridge before five, before five, 40 a.m. forget it.
I'm late.
Yeah.
I'll be late.
I couldn't do that.
It's 10 minutes away.
I can't do it.
But the key is for the drive in podcast, you just put a camera inside your truck and talk
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with your partner on the way in.
And you see like you just riff, all right.
Everything's organic and obviously you cut out whatever you want to cut out, but I'll
edit it for you.
Just keep it organic until you get to the job.
I don't know how to do that.
It's 20 grand a year.
And I'll produce your merch and everything.
What merch?
And I get a cut of that.
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I'm not going to want the drive in merch.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to get it.
It's a great by the way.
It's a great name.
I'll put it get a new car for it.
It's a great name to drive in.
The drive in.
Yeah.
Mark, Mark Santangela told us we should start at LLC for this.
It's going to cost about 700 bucks.
You could you could start one tomorrow.
Go to Bank of America.
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You start tomorrow.
Yeah.
Well, I go through my account and I trust my accountant.
He knows his stuff.
He was on the show.
Well, he's going to use a bank to do it.
Do you listen to us?
Do you listen to this podcast?
He didn't even listen to his own episode.
Yes, I did.
I showed everyone at my job.
I'll say this.
I don't like the sound of my own voice.
So that's why I won't listen to the episodes when he has.
You got a good speaking voice.
Yeah.
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Yours is fine.
Yeah.
Yours is fine.
When he plays.
That's not what you told me last time.
You made me feel like.
Well, that's my job on the show is to make everyone feel like garbage and not superior.
When he has the podcast playing on the jobs, I'm like, you got to turn it off.
I can't.
Why?
You sound fine.
I'm going to get another commuter to the city and here I got a good person for you.
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This is not the show.
This is not the drive-in.
This is the blue color trade.
Yeah.
He's a blue color trade.
What is he?
Kevin Ogden.
What does he do?
He's a project manager for a facade company.
For a facade company.
Yes.
So he'd be like building fronts and stuff.
Yeah.
For instance, like I could hire him.
I'm actually working to hire him to do all the interior glass on my next project.
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The company he works for.
Give me another example of facade.
He works for a facade company.
They do glass and metal.
Okay.
But on my last job, his company did all the interior glass partitions.
Yeah.
If he wants to come on.
I remember him from years ago.
Yeah.
He was a...
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He knows his business?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, listen, this is an entrepreneur and small business ownership show, but I've had
people who don't own their business, but they have an insider look on the industry that
they're in.
He definitely has it.
Yeah.
Yes.
He can talk and banter and be funny.
Yes.
All right.
Why don't you switch places with him real quick?
Excuse me.
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Kevin.
He's not here.
Kevin will have a Grinch costume.
I can't believe you don't have a Grinch costume for your children.
I told you my seven year old would be like, oh, dad, it's you.
She would know.
And it would ruin everything.
So if it's not usually, he thinks it's the real Grinch.
So when I had the Grinch show up to my house this past Saturday.
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You did?
Yes.
I was in the basement and I came up, before I came upstairs, she's like, oh, it's dad.
And I could hear her.
I came upstairs and then she freaked out.
She's like, oh my God, it's not dad.
And then like slam the front door.
Dude, what?
My two year old was screaming, crying, terrified.
But those videos are hysterical.
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Yeah, it was hilarious.
We never believed in Santa Claus.
My dad, not that he didn't allow it, but he didn't perpetuate Santa Claus.
Well, the new thing is not.
Is that why you're miserable?
It's the Elfs.
Is that why you're miserable?
The elves on the shelf.
The new thing is not miserable.
I'm happy all the time.
Elf on the shelf.
Why do you keep leading our audience in the wrong way?
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Elf on the shelf now?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
But I got to do something different every night.
You have to place it in a different spot.
Oh my God.
Who the heck invented that?
Genius.
Rolling in money.
Yeah.
Rolling in it.
Yeah.
There's a book that goes with it.
Like last night, my wife did it.
She put the...
How did that catch on like that though?
We have two.
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We have two Elves.
A male and a female elf.
Sprinkles and Bernard.
And they were in separate bathrooms, sitting on toilet paper and it said, Jingle bells,
your poop smells with like wavy writing.
But it's like a new thing every night.
So you move them.
You have to move them?
Yeah.
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And I moved them to my daughter's room and put the one elf in the Barbie hot tub and had
the two Barbies next to it.
And immediately my wife shuts it down.
Why?
Because it's...
Oh, because it means like, okay, gotcha.
It's like pimp elf.
Yeah, pimp.
It's not that my dad didn't allow us to believe in Santa Claus, but he wouldn't perpetuate
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like...
I guess my brother had to be like five, six years old, maybe even four.
And we were going to the firehouse to see Santa Claus up in Mawa.
This was like...
What are you, like 10?
Yeah, something around there.
And we were driving over there and my dad goes, Santa Claus is a big fat fake.
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There's nothing real about Santa Claus.
And it wasn't malicious or anything, but he was just like, yeah, there's no Santa Claus.
Like, you know, because he would come home from school.
Did Dave freak out?
No.
He'd sit on Santa Claus' lap and he goes, my dad says you're a big fat fake.
It totally calls him out.
And my parents are there taking...
No, he's getting their picture taken.
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And the guy's white beard probably fell off.
Yeah, he's like heartbroken.
We never believed in Santa Claus or anything like that.
I'm significantly, not significantly, but I'm older than my brother and sister.
So I would have just ratted it out anyway.
Is your sister older than Dave?
No, she's younger.
She's a year younger.
He knew Dave.
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He played football with Dave.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
I think Dave was a senior when I was a freshman.
He was a senior, yeah.
But you've played when you were a freshman.
So yeah, you knew...
So you were an athlete too.
A good one, obviously, if you were a freshman.
I was pretty decent.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I still have Riverdoll records in football.
Do you really?
I do.
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Wow.
I can't tell.
There's so many blue collar guys that were once good athletes.
When you have a cabinet, you can bring it up and ask them, he'll tell you.
Yeah, he'll tell the truth.
He will tell the truth.
He will tell you how I ran a 4-5-40.
He will tell you everything.
Did you really?
Yeah, 4-5-8.
Wow.
That's really good.
And now you're just sitting on my couch about to break it.
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Dad nodding it out.
There's no time.
When do I go to the gym, dude?
Yeah.
I don't understand that.
Does your wife ask you to do manual things when you come home?
Like I need this done.
Take the garbage and do this.
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
Not to take the garbage.
I need this shelf put together.
I need this thing put together.
She'll save it for the weekend.
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Okay.
But during spring and summer, I love Sundays.
I love to cut the grass.
I love to weed whack.
I like to edge.
Yeah.
I love all that stuff.
Yeah.
I come home and it's like a million plumbing things.
Or hang this, do this.
And they're like, oh, you're so lazy.
You don't want to do anything when you come home.
Like I just did manual labor all day.
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I don't want to come home and do more manual labor.
Sometimes, yes.
But even once you have kids, if you decide to one day, I'll get home for 10 minutes.
I'll be back in the car to go to soccer practice or cheer practice.
Pick up from this, pick up from that.
She's cheering now.
Does she like it?
She likes soccer more.
Does she?
Good.
That's good.
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I mean, like winter now, we're free of everything.
She wants to do soccer training over the winter, which just on Sundays.
So more money.
I mean, listen, it's good for kids to do all that stuff for sure.
But where's the parents out?
100%.
Where's the kids out too?
I think parents put their kids in too many things.
They should be in things, but they shouldn't be in too many things.
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Way too many things.
And also, listen, high school kids used to get an after school job.
They don't do that anymore.
No.
They don't do that anymore.
And everyone's wondering where the work ethic went.
And you got to start that early.
And the problem is kids get out, they get into college and they have to have a part-time
job and they complain about the 12 hours a week they work.
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And it's just too much.
And like, I don't know.
There's just, I guess I'm basing it off this and I can say this because my uncle was just
on, but my little cousin is like in every sport, every sport, which is fine.
But he lives six blocks from school and he gets driven to the school every day.
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I think it's funny that Paul acknowledges that he's like, yeah, I should have made,
I should make him walk to school, but I got to drive.
He goes, I can't.
I got to drive to school.
I'm like, it's six blocks.
It's where they live.
Right over here by Roosevelt.
So they go to Riverdale.
Eight blocks, eight blocks.
The same school, the same house?
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Not Roosevelt.
The same house.
But that's, what is it, eight blocks?
Uncontinental?
Yeah.
I'd be walking to school every day.
I'd want that.
That's what I'm saying.
And not to like, listen, I know it's a whole different thing, but all these, listen, just
have you ever drive by these schools when the parents are dropping the kids off?
This area is a nightmare with the driving.
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Your kids, I don't have kids.
Okay.
I guess the world is crazy, yada, yada, yada.
But this is a safe town.
Okay.
And not only is it a safe town.
There's dozens of other kids all walking in the same direction as your kid.
Don't give me the, oh, you know, I don't want them to be kidnapped or all this stuff.
Listen, the whole school, like everyone is migrating to the school at that time.
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Just throw them in there at the mix.
And then you have to drive past the school and it's, it's like Los Angeles at four o'clock
in the afternoon.
It's bad.
This is so unnecessary.
The days I have off, like I'll tell you right now, Riley can't walk to school.
It's too far.
I'm like border or Adele.
She's also seven.
She's in Oradell.
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I live in Emerson, but you see where I am on Soldier Hill.
So they let her go to Oradell?
No, she goes to Emerson public school, which is Memorial, which is all the way.
It's pretty much on the border of Westwood.
Yeah.
It would be an hour walk to school.
40 minute walk.
That's, that's, listen, that's reasonable.
But for a lot of these kids in this area, you know, River Edge, Oradell, it's a 10 minute
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walk.
Yeah.
I walk to school all the time.
I gotta drive my kid to school.
I can't.
You don't have to.
I used to ride the Go-Ped.
Remember that thing?
Yeah.
No, I had one.
I had a Go-Ped.
What is that?
My neighbor had one.
Sorry.
It was like a gas powered scooter.
Yeah.
They were awesome.
Really?
And I got yelled at for putting it in my locker.
Why?
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Did you smell it?
Because I guess it's like a pipe bomb in your locker and you just, I got another gripe
about, about school, school traffic.
Why do all kids are coming in all directions?
Right.
A bunch of kids are running down the street.
Why doesn't the crossing, why don't the crossing guards consolidate the kids on a corner until
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they all gather and then cross them in one shot?
Instead, what they do is, Do you want the true answer?
It's because they don't care.
No, let me finish this.
Instead, they block traffic and they allow one kid, one at a time to run up the sidewalk
as they're coming up to the school.
It's like a stream of diarrhea that slowly just like, bro, the kids can wait on the corner
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for a few minutes while you can get all the cars by.
Put up your sign, put up your hands, stay there.
Let them all gather and then cross them in one big group.
That drives me up a wall because they're all volunteers.
They don't care.
They're not volunteers.
Yeah, they're not.
They're paid.
Oh, really?
My mom does the crossing guard.
Crossing guards are paid.
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Yeah.
They get a pension and everything.
No, they don't.
They get health benefits?
I don't think the woman that crosses by my scores.
They do get health benefits.
They get 100% pension and health benefits and dental and eye for those.
What did you do if you found out that?
That would be out of control.
We don't want to wear our taxes.
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They're so high.
No, I don't understand that.
There'll be a string of kids just straggling in down the block.
The crossing guard will throw up his stop side as they slowly trickle by.
It's bad on Kinderkermack.
It's terrible on Kinderkermack.
And then the traffic is backed up.
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Pass the traffic light on Ortolevi.
I don't think it's teaching kids how to safely cross the street because, guess what, after
they're done with school, there's no crossing guards everywhere.
But they think they can just, oh, the traffic will stop because I'm just going to trickle
across the street.
You ever see those videos of the kids in Japan crossing the street?
People also don't stop for you around here.
I'll say that in cars.
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They don't.
Okay, that is true.
The people in cars here do not stop for, I've seen people just this morning.
When you get the sign like pedestrian, when you see a pedestrian stop, yield for pedestrians,
no one stops.
I don't, I'll admit it.
Well, we'll get called out in a work truck and a heartbeat, so we have to stop.
But that bothers me.
If there's a pedestrian in the crosswalk and people are just zooming by, I've got out
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and stopped people before.
Were you there?
Were you here?
I have for an older person.
I have for several older people.
Actually right at Walgreens, which used to be right in Ortole.
Well, that's the worst.
That's not right there.
That's a horrible spot.
There was an intersection.
There was an old guy trying to cross.
I was at, this was by Great Foods over there.
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Okay.
That really crappy intersection.
The curve?
Yeah.
There's this old man trying to cross and I'm trying, and I'm by the convenience store
trying to make a right.
And I'm not going so he can cross.
On the same side of the street or he's trying to cross?
No, he's trying to cross Kinderkermack.
And I'm not going so he can cross, but everyone's just driving.
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He's in the street.
He's not standing on the sidewalk.
If you're tucked back, I get that.
You don't notice that he's trying to cross, but he's in the street with a cane trying
to cross.
For minutes, dude.
And I was so, I got so angry at these people because I could see these people making eye
contact with them and not stopping.
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I throw the truck in park.
I store, I had my flashlight in my pocket.
I was dark out.
And I just, it was dark-ish.
Like 4pm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I start shining people and this lady, this lady is not stopping.
And I'm in the road.
I'm like, you know what?
You're going to hit me.
Okay.
I've made this guy sit here this long.
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So I'm like that with my face and I'm like, come on, come on.
Come on, sir.
Let's go.
And I'm trying to take him across the street and she's so angry.
And it enraged me to my core.
It's like, this is not route 80.
There's residences all over here.
Yeah.
It's a walkable town.
There's businesses.
Like it drives me up a wall when I see that.
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And we see it all the time.
Now, what did they do all over the head?
They had the flashing lights and then the flags.
You walk down with the flags, the flags.
The flags.
People don't even stop for that.
Kids, old people, they just don't even stop.
Rant.
Good.
Ranting, Phil.
What else are we going to rant about?
I'll tell you what I learned this year.
We definitely need, we definitely need to do.
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We need to, we need to bring some new guys in for sure because you can't, we can't survive
trying to piecemeal together renovations during the summer anymore and rushing around.
We definitely need to get some new guys in.
Winkter, no problem.
There's work all over the place.
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There's frozen pipes.
There's boilers, all this stuff.
But once the spring and summer comes around, no one is caring about that stuff.
Now they're doing their renovations.
And we're not big enough to maintain.
You know what I mean?
I would, I would say if that isn't an option or if that's not able to happen in the next,
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in the upcoming year.
Why are you not big enough?
Can I ask that question?
Because you have to take that leap to grow.
You have to take that.
If you're going to get into renovations, you need a crew that can get in there and rough
out the house in a day.
No, he's not asking that.
He's asking why haven't we gotten more people onto the.
Why didn't we just hired more people?
No, I'm asking kind of both, I guess.
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Well.
But I'll give you an example after you answer.
It's a leap.
You have to take a risk to now add each person because if you hire a bunch of people in the
fun stuff, the renovations managed correctly.
What's the issue?
Oh, what am I just on managing my time?
Not you specifically.
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Like, for instance, when I redo my kitchen, I live in a raised ranch.
You've been to my house.
Yeah.
I'm going to take the floor out.
I'm going to have just the joist there.
Are they because everyone says that and then we get to the job and the subfloor is down.
Yeah, but okay.
So that's what I'm saying.
It's not managed correctly.
No, no, especially the, especially the like, I could tell you right now, I'm going to demo
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my kitchen myself.
I'm going to take the floor out.
I'm out.
Everything's going to play GC on the job.
I'm out.
Well, he's a GC.
Everything's going to be down to the studs.
No, no, no.
The floor is out.
I'll give you this, you're a GC.
Will I be there when you're there?
Absolutely not.
Because I'm not dealing with that.
That's fine.
My wife.
I prefer that actually.
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I prefer the whole owner not to be there.
Just let us work.
I had a guy, I'm going to get off topic right here.
We had a new customer.
We don't get this a lot, but hovers.
Oh yeah.
I hate hovers.
We get hovers from time to time.
They'll be in and out.
This dude parked it behind my shoulder for two hours and didn't say a word.
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He just sat there and stared.
It was so uncomfortable.
I did that to you joking around.
Well, we're talking.
We're friends.
Yeah.
It's different.
Listen to the new guy.
This is crazy music.
Me?
Yeah.
It goes from Yanni to System of a Down to...
We were listening to like some crazy techno that day.
Yeah.
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I love crazy techno.
Yeah.
I like hard, hard techno.
But like for, let me ask a serious question.
So you know, like the time, you don't have enough time.
Not enough people are not enough time to bang something out, right?
So say everything's gutted, right?
Gas isn't moving.
And when I say nothing's there, cabinets are gone.
Okay.
It's just a big square room.
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No sheet rock, just studs.
Water line's got to move 15 feet.
Drain's got to move 15 feet.
Hopefully we can maintain the pitch.
I don't know if that's going to be possible.
You'll have to tell me that.
We'll figure it out.
But that's like a day job, no?
For two people?
I'm not talking about that.
I'm not talking about a kitchen or one bathroom.
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So you're talking about like an entire house.
Yeah.
You need the crew to get in there and rough out the whole thing in a day or two days.
But why?
Because then you're losing labor.
You're totally losing labor that you've been in.
But what if you, what if like it's a million dollar house?
What about it?
What if there's four bathrooms?
Then I have the crew of six guys to go in there and bang it out.
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Three days.
Three days for the rough.
All right.
You need the manpower to be able to get in there.
We had a job that completely got away from us this summer.
I gave him a proposal on something and it just grew.
Another bathroom was added.
A whole bunch of other stuff.
Three gas lines were added.
But see the add-ons, that's change orders for you.
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You should line those up more.
We didn't run that properly because the guy would come in and then just what?
Nothing.
He's saying that that's his job.
That's his speciality.
The guy would come in and like, he wasn't working with us.
He would just bark out something.
The wrong plans were on the wall.
And it just completely got away from us.
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And I think if we had the manpower to manage this job and get it done, it would have got
without a sheetrock is easy to put up, right?
Yeah, but there's no money in it.
I'm just, I'm trying to give an example.
She rock is super easy to put up.
You would say like, I could put up a sheetrock in a kitchen living room area in the day or
two as like a solo guy, but they still have like three guys, two, three guys doing it.
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Right?
Yeah, so like when you just get it done, you know, quickly.
Like I can tell you right now, the car, the carpentry contract on my jobs, the carpenter
always subs out the sheetrock to someone.
Really?
And they bring 50 guys and they will sheetrock as fast as possible.
That's what you want.
There's no money.
That's what you need.
But how come you can't, you do a proposal, I'm sure with the proposal, you give a duration
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or schedule way too high.
If I can't get in there, if I can't get in there and finish the rough in two, three days
flat, you will have the job.
I have to add more labor to cover my costs and I'll end up losing.
You need the crew to get in there to be able to do a home like that.
The other thing with new construction, the other thing with a lot of these new construction,
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they get it done quickly, but a lot of the new construction homes, they're done like
garbage.
You can get this stuff.
We can get this stuff in like garbage.
You can.
I could just run it like garbage.
They're also cheaping out on the laborers.
A lot of times the plumber's not even on the job at all.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I see that.
And then they call us, oh, you know, the toilet's not flushing, right?
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It's because they didn't get the pitcher.
They didn't even put the vent in or they didn't do this.
We get that dude.
All the time.
The house flip is two years old, one year old, and we're in there fixing a ton of crap
already.
And they're like, well, why can't you figure this out?
It's like, I wasn't on this job.
You're calling me after the fact.
Like now I have to figure out what Schmuck came in here and put all this in.
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Yeah.
I can't see behind the wall.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, they think you can.
Yeah.
Because people think you can.
That's why I think you doing my kitchen.
You'd be surprised how lenient I'd be compared to Jack who was standing over your shoulder
if you're not there.
That's pretty lenient.
If you ask me, if you're just not on the job, you'd rather me there than Jen.
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I'm going to let my dog walk all over your house while I'm there.
That's fine.
Just don't let it take a shit in the house.
I can't believe you don't love that dog.
Who said I don't?
Your attitude says you don't.
I just do that to piss you off.
Frankie's a superstar, man.
I actually got to think about getting a second plug.
Listen, I'm going to, I got some bad news at the vet.
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You want to talk about that?
You could talk about that.
No, I don't want to hear about it.
It upsets me.
That's why I can't buy a dog.
I get, I get too attached.
I'm going to, I'm going to try to throw up my gifts and go account so people can donate
to her surgery.
After the story.
Is it like a life and death surgery?
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Well, so her spine is deteriorating.
Her discs are starting to deteriorate.
So that's why she's like, she drags his feet.
And it's, it's a little painful and it's uncomfortable.
And like, um, when she hits something, I'm trying to think like, what is the term when
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you like hit something when you, when your legs come down, you hit it.
Impact.
Impact.
Yes.
The impact, like light impact, it takes a lot out of her.
So I brought her two vets.
I needed a second opinion.
The first guy says, listen, her spine's deteriorating.
It's $20,000 surgery.
And the success rate is like 60%, 60, 70%.
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Yo, that's, you can't guarantee it.
Bank.
Yes, they do.
That's crazy.
I took her for a second opinion, said the same thing to $18,000 surgery and you got
to go to a neurosurgery.
It's like, I don't even care that my health like that.
No.
And then you got to do physical therapy for the dog.
When exactly?
Exactly, like, you have the physical therapist come to the renovation that you can't finish
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it with that.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to take it to the chiropractor.
See if a little chiropractic therapy can help her out.
For real?
Yeah.
Can they do the thing with like the pads and it like puts like the waves?
They're going to do that.
The red light therapy.
You know, hopefully it'll do something, but I wish I could, but I can't.
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I can't afford $20,000 surgery.
So we're just going to, what do you got?
Nothing.
Who's that?
It's my wife asking me to get cash on the way home.
I told her to look in the top drawer.
You going to bring up, bring up any videos we're going to watch and critique?
We try to do that.
What's here?
What's, what's the most, what's the worst thing that you've seen on your jobs?
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One of your jobs this year?
Or, you know, just in general, it's like the worst thing that you've seen.
Shocking.
Trios underneath the stove.
Oh God, that was bad.
What?
No, the pizza place we worked at.
Oh no.
No, your job that you have now.
No, your job that you have now.
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This job, I'm, I'm so right.
And I finished the other building 44 stories.
I'm filling in on a 10 story building.
The plumber who's doing the sprinkler system would hydro the sprinklers and then drain down
the system and did not tell anybody.
So when you drain down the system and he's got to fill it back up when we were going
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for, um, all the water was filling to, to the branches of the sprinkler.
They didn't check any of the heads.
So heads were popping in random spots and no one would know.
But that's why you leave, you leave it.
Pressurized.
After you hydro.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So that was a big.
Plus there's someone punctures that you want to know.
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Yeah.
Wow.
And then every day, obviously I turned the pump off fire.
How'd you guys, how'd you guys, uh, now it's okay because I mean, I have the branches
have filled halfway.
So if someone like I'm doing the hoist run right now, right?
If you are sheet rocking and you hit a head, it's going to be minimal water.
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But at, you know, after you hydro and they fill the entire system back up to for fire
alarm, you could lose the whole building.
Which your worst, uh, your worst story, your horror story this year or just in general,
I still go back to the store.
I think I've told this.
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Oh, the tub, the tub.
I think that was the worst thing that I've ever, I've ever seen.
Well, our lives were threatened that same day too.
Yeah.
That was the worst thing that I've ever been a part of.
But, uh, this year was probably that renovation job for me too.
That was, that was my nom.
That might have been on my worst job in the history of.
There was another renovation where it, it heard us to the point where he said, Max,
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you gotta leave.
That still wasn't as bad as this one.
I know this one's, this one destroyed my soul.
It ate my soul.
Like, like, uh, the wishmaster that movie in the nineties, it really did.
It, it, I had a midlife crisis this summer, 100%.
Yeah.
I know, I know you did because I remember talking to you one time, right?
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You guys joined Instagram and wrote, are you suicidal?
Do you remember that?
No.
Yes, I did that.
What did I say?
I think you wrote nothing, never mind or something.
Look, moose knuckles calling me.
How funny is that?
I can't believe you call your mother that.
That's so weird.
It's an inside joke.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
That's your mom?
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Yes.
It's an inside joke.
One day, one year at Christmas, we're sitting there and my uncle is.
Answer it, answer the phone.
Put it on speaker and bring it up to the mic.
Hello.
I'm doing the Joe Rogan podcast.
What's up, ma?
I'm doing a podcast with Phil Courts right now.
You're live.
You're live on the air.
You're live on the air.
Okay, then I'm hanging up.
Adios.
All right, bye.
Well, that didn't go anywhere.
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So we're sitting at the table.
So probably like six years ago.
And my uncle was like, hey, moose knuckle past the mashed potatoes.
And my mom just was out in space and he's like, yo, moose knuckle past mashed potatoes.
And then she's like, yo, are you talking to me?
It's my mom's younger brother.
Right.
We're kind of the same.
Okay.
And she's like, what is moose knuckle?
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And Jen was sitting there.
She kind of spit her food out laughing.
I'm sitting there like this.
And the name just stuck ever since I'm.
That is so funny.
That's so stupid.
It is pretty stupid, but it's funny.
If you were there, you would have died.
I just could never call my mother.
But yes, back to you having your.
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That's not out of the ordinary.
I'm going to look for it.
I'm going to look for it.
I'm not suicidal.
It's like, it's, it's at least twice a year.
You posted, you posted something and I was like, yo, you okay?
What do you mean I posted something on my business account?
I'm looking for it.
Hold on.
Or maybe let me see if I can find it here.
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Here it is.
Twice a year.
Or because I get aggravated and it builds up.
It's not, it's not aggravated.
I've seen people not doing well hard time with what?
With it all.
Huh?
Nevermind.
Okay.
Are you being suicidal?
No, I'm not suicidal.
Okay.
There you go.
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I answered your question.
Yes.
That's what a suicidal person would say.
It was a rough year, dude.
Everything falls on my shoulders and that was in the summer, actually.
All right, let me say this because let me put this out there.
It doesn't go to you.
I didn't say that.
Everything comes back here from the office, from management, from Paul, from all this
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stuff.
I don't need an explanation of how stressful that job is.
You can't, you can't.
I'm just saying that.
I can imagine it gets very stressful for Phil.
Yeah.
I mean, for me, it gets very stressful and the guys under me, I have on this job, one,
two, three, five people under me, they don't give a shit.
No, no, that I understand.
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It's not stress.
It's not the same for the workers as it is for the business owner or even for the manager.
Don't avoid eye contact with me right now.
Let's go back to this.
I'm just saying.
You brought it up, so let's put it to rest.
You have to, you have to take the things, all the good and all the bad, mostly the bad,
and you have to learn from those bad things.
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And well, let me put it this way.
There's a lot of factors in that.
That makes you stressed.
Can I ask a pace or personal question?
It depends.
Is it going to lead me into something that's going to make me want to punch you in the
face?
It's going to lead me into suicide.
You won't.
No, F bombs, bro.
Sorry.
And you won't edit that out.
You won't.
Yeah.
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Okay.
There's this, there's this like attitude that I'm older and more control.
My axe killing me right now.
It doesn't matter, but like, I'll say that I would always be that like I'm your savior.
I'll say that for somebody who doesn't go to the gym and Phil very strong, very strong,
very strong guy.
I always thought that I would kick his ass too, but I can't.
There's no, there's no shot.
Let's start with the jobs that we take.
Keep the other two.
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Okay.
There comes a point sometimes in a year, especially the last four years with the administration
that has been in the White House where you're desperate for work.
And then all of a sudden you get people wanting estimates and they want to book estimates.
And it's like crawling through the desert for weeks and you finally come up on water,
but it's pee water.
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But you're going to drink it anyway, cause you're dying of thirst.
That's what it comes down to sometimes.
Now not all the time.
There's a lot of times where I'm not, where I actually don't think about all the aspects
of the job that we might take.
So that is true.
But this summer, when you're desperate and then all of a sudden someone's waving, I got
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$14,000 deposit for you right now, you're going to take it because you need it.
I think that that situation is that a lot.
No, I think that situation for a small, I mean, we're going to two guys.
How much do you want?
How much do you think we're going to make a month?
That's a lot.
I don't know, especially when you're crawling in the desert for weeks.
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I think you say what your monthly profit is on average.
Yes.
I mean, I'll tell you my break even.
Yeah.
My break even with for a year.
Just tell me the year for the year.
It's broken down by month.
Okay, so that's a month.
It is broken down by month, but for our break even is about 51,000 a month.
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That's to pay everything.
That's to the break even.
Yeah, I got to break even.
And then you want to run that at about a 20% profit, 15 to 20% profit.
If you're not making that, you're not growing.
And this, especially this past year and a half, it's been stagnant.
But now do you think after January 20th, it'll change?
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I don't know.
I've said this on the last podcast, whatever you think about Trump, that's not what we're
here to talk about.
But I will say 2016 when that guy got elected, I was here for a year before he got elected.
The day that dude got elected, everything took off.
Yeah, it's going to again in my opinion.
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Everything just, it was like a rocket ship.
So with me, I, me personally, I don't deal with a lot of the banks, but a lot of these
owners use banks.
So I know a cut like I have to do bank walks.
Banks are Ponzi schemes run by morons.
You know who says that?
Ron Swanson.
But the banks right now are already taking, they're giving out loans to developers because
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of what happened.
Really?
Yes.
It's already starting to happen.
Yeah.
So I know by March, April, 2025.
That's a trap.
You want to be careful.
I understand that aspect of it.
Okay, where the new person in power for the next several years does impact the economy,
but I don't think you can live your life or run your business.
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No, you can't.
You can't rely on those things because you can have, you can have a point in time where
it's, it's, you know, eight years of somebody who might not necessarily be the best for
the economy, but that's what you have to deal with.
And what are you going to do?
You're going to just, you're going to wallow for the next eight years.
Well, a lot of times figure out and adjust.
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Those eight years can kill 50% of small business.
Well, that's what you have to be.
That's, it hasn't killed you since the 60s.
It hasn't, but I'm telling you, there's going to be, there may be a time where, from what
I understand about running this business to slow long is that the government despises
small business.
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We don't have lobbyers.
We don't have donors.
We don't have all this stuff.
We're not donating to politicians where, and every time we advocate, we advocate for deregulation
so we can put more money in our pocket, lower taxes, and the politicians don't care about
that.
They only care about donors and we don't have skin in the game with donors.
So there's going to be a point where let's say this, let's say this nation does go full
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commie at some point.
You'll not be able to survive.
And when on those, like I understand what you're saying, and yes, businesses should
be able to fluctuate to a point, but the problem is those times when you need to fluctuate
and really tighten up, one misstep can send you spiraling.
One.
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Yeah.
I mean, listen, I think your, your grandfather went through worse.
Your uncle went through worse.
I think people always go through worse times and, and you have to adjust.
I know it's again, it's, it's different when somebody from the outside who doesn't own a
business and run a business says something like that, but there have been, I keep offering
to give you all this insider information.
(01:06:02):
She's like, nah, I'm just, what do you mean?
I have the numbers.
I'll sit down and like, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll make it painful as it's painful for me.
The numbers I see, the numbers I understand and I know what it is.
I know what it has to be.
I know those things.
What I'm saying is, is again, the management aspect of it, the things that you can control.
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Yeah.
You have to, you have to control the things that you can control better.
You always have to learn from all the bad things.
What were your other two?
The other one is scheduling.
Well I took that over recently.
In the last like two weeks.
Okay.
Has it been better?
Slightly.
I mean, I haven't noticed a big difference.
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Really?
I haven't noticed a major difference.
But it might be a little bit different for you because now you're controlling the schedule
for yourself.
Can I be honest?
Scheduling with two people is very difficult.
It is, it is because.
Not defending him by the way, but it definitely is difficult.
Why is it, why is it, why does nobody want to defend me?
Why is that such a bad thing?
It's not about defending.
I'm being the mediator right now.
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But scheduling is very hard.
For two people?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Scheduling in general is very hard.
Yeah.
Because there's always an aspect that can destroy the schedule.
Every day.
I'll tell you Monday, Tuesdays, yeah.
It can be minute by minute.
We've had those days where the day has completely.
(01:07:27):
360.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's happened to me.
You have to scramble and you have to absolutely scramble.
And if you don't have like.
There's inevitable things that can happen that you cannot control even though it's something
you're supposed to control.
And people don't understand that either.
No.
I make it my.
I don't understand.
I make it my point to make these people understand.
Like lady, listen, this is an emergency based industry.
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Okay.
I'm sorry we can't put in your ninth bathroom faucet today.
We have to schedule.
We reschedule you.
I apologize.
But there's a 90 year old woman with water pouring into her roof on the bottom of her
head on the top of her head.
Like we need to go there.
I got to push your faucet.
This is ridiculous.
I've been scheduled for a week.
So then you call Mrs. Smith and tell her sorry they can't fix your water main.
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They got to come put in my faucet.
You go tell that old lady.
People don't understand that.
Yeah, but see if I was you, I would just say, okay, call somebody else.
Phone calls call somebody else.
Yeah.
Well, we try to keep that small hometown feel.
So we try to work with people.
But yeah, but some people you can't work with them.
Yeah.
You can't work with.
There's no flexibility.
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That's me.
I'd say, all right, I'll see you.
I'll see you when you get here.
Well, because we know each other.
That's not fair example.
You didn't know me.
I agree.
I'm like that with people as well.
I'm understanding, but this is a tough area with a lot of money and people want what they
want when they want it.
So like scheduling wise with me, I get people.
I just had an argument.
I just was reading on my phone just now about the guy who does the flooring.
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You're supposed to be mediating.
I was mediating with one ear and my one eye was reading the stupid message.
I just got.
But again, I just talked to you about sprinkler heads.
We had a sprinkler head pop.
The flooring guy is like, oh, I can't do the floor.
Oh, big disaster.
Sending emails, non email thing to do right now.
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He does it anyway.
Okay.
What do you want me to do?
A head broke.
You got to dry out the floor before you prime it to self level.
That's what he's saying.
Are you that's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
What do you want me to do?
Yeah.
You got to do what you got to do.
Okay.
So now, now the time went by.
This happened last week.
So now I reversed it onto him.
Oh my God.
Why haven't you started the self level?
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The floor is dry.
What's taking so long?
I did exactly what he did to me.
Yeah.
And he's trying to justify himself right now.
And he's trying to justify it.
Yes.
See when the flame tables.
And I literally just wrote to him, this is what you did to me last week.
Did he get it?
Yeah, he got it.
All right.
Good.
Is he older or younger than you?
Younger.
I'll older.
I'm younger than him.
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See that's that's that's going to be a tough thing for a GC your age.
What are you 34?
Six.
You're 36.
Yeah.
You're 36 years old.
Almost 37.
Two months.
Oh my goodness, dude.
You got to be kidding me.
The worst thing for me is when I have other supers that are underneath me that are older
than me.
They hate it.
Yeah.
That's what I was going to say.
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It's got to be a tough aspect.
Casey, when he was on here, you say it all the time.
He's higher guys older than him and they can't.
But it depends on the person.
Like I have an MEP super Anthony is 42 years old.
Best guy that works for me.
42 is a good age.
Mid 40s is a good age.
Greg, when you look your best.
Yeah.
Sure.
I'll do 42 43.
So now you look like shit.
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But the age thing does.
It does happen to me quite often.
But you know, that's that's got to be a tough aspect.
You just don't let it.
I don't let it get to me.
I veer off of it.
So what do you say?
Let's I don't have to stand up for myself.
Let's sum up this year.
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Let's sum up your year.
You know what?
Let's sum up my year.
What's perspective going into what is what is 2025?
What was the third thing?
Yeah, what was the third thing?
Well, I guess it just kind of ties back into the other two.
But it's man like with material stuff like that.
But it's it's management.
Because at the end of the day, I know you think that you don't have all the power.
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But you are the manager of this whole thing.
You are and you don't you might not have final say, but you have a lot of say.
And you've always told me if I'm going to save my company.
I'm going to comment for off the camera.
Why?
That's not fair.
I'm not going to say it on camera.
OK.
It could become a dispute.
No, it's not a dispute.
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It's going to be very matter of fact.
It's just a smack them upside the head with some facts.
And I don't want to do that on camera.
That's fine.
I think that it's just it goes back to again, scheduling and all that kind of stuff.
It's it's managing the work environment.
I'm not going to say I'm the best manager that I have no.
I'm not saying that you're I'm not saying that you're bad.
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I'm just saying there's a lot of room for improvement.
Maybe you should take a management class.
I'm joking.
You don't need to do that.
I'm not going to do that.
I never did.
What is that?
Like a tolerance course?
No, you know, they get all those stupid graphs out.
You got this circle that overlaps this one and you put the main thing.
Yeah.
And the outside is your workers and maybe I'll take that.
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Yeah, maybe maybe it'll work.
You know, I don't we kind of try to put forward that like courts is killing on all fronts,
but we're not.
There's a lot of struggles.
So let's turn the tables here.
Let's say let's say what you hate about your co-worker the most.
(01:12:48):
You want me to say it?
Yeah.
Why?
I've just given you constructive criticism.
No, let's just give criticism.
Nothing to do with you.
Eat the way you eat.
The way you eat.
I would be pissed about an animal in the work truck.
Would you?
No, I'm just kidding.
I had to throw that out there.
You in your purple mat or whatever.
It's his man.
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It's his dog bed.
Oh, yeah.
It's his dog bed they use.
Listen, customers love it.
They love it.
But you probably get some customers that don't or can you tell when you see the customer?
Well, we could.
It's not like we come into the job the first time holding the dogs ready to come in.
We tell the dogs hang out on the truck and if it comes up the conversation like, oh,
yeah, we ride around with little dogs and they're like, they're in there right now.
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They're like, no way.
Can I eat that?
With the windows up.
No AC on.
No AC with the sun glaring down and 140 degrees inside.
Yeah, because we do that.
You made that joke the last time you were on here that I was an animal abuser.
Yes, I did.
I remember.
I had to do the next episode to prove that I wasn't.
You know, I got somebody who left a note on my car one time with Mori.
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I have, um, I went inside to go get a cup of coffee and my dog was in the car.
It was a hot day.
Uh, so I left, I let the windows down in my car as I ran into go get a cup of coffee.
I was in there for maybe 10 minutes and I didn't know, but this feature on my car, if
you double click lock all the windows automatically go back up.
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They all go back up.
Yeah, I just saw on Instagram actually if I double click cool stuff with the.
Yeah, Bob double click on my lock.
All the windows go back up.
I didn't know that because I walked away from the car with all the windows down.
Yeah.
And it's a habit when you lock your car, you never press and once I press it like eight
times.
Yeah.
So I go in 10 minutes, come back out.
There's another my car.
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Call me all sorts of names about the dog because my dog loves to bark in the car.
Call me all sorts of names, horrible, threatening to like break my window next time.
If, yeah, I'm like, oh, I mean, and then I found out about the double lock feature after
that.
So you went out and the windows were up.
I went back out to my car and my windows were rolled up.
Yeah, they were down when you walked away.
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They were down when I all the way down.
That's messed up.
What from me?
No, with the car.
Yeah.
It's not your, obviously, you know, to leave your windows down if it's hot out.
Yeah.
But I actually sympathize with that other person too.
10 minutes.
I don't.
Why?
Mind your own business.
Yeah, mind your own business.
No, dogs.
I'll tell you right now.
If I walked past your car and I saw a dog in it, I wouldn't even think twice.
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No, no, that's not the point.
So the point he's making is there's a dog in the car.
It's 90 degrees out and all the windows are.
Wasn't that hot out?
Okay.
80 degrees.
Yeah.
You still have a 20 to 30 degree differential.
How much hotter it gets in the car?
I sympathize with that person.
I don't know.
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Absolutely in 10 minutes.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
You guys are crazy.
No, I don't know.
This is an actual, bro, kids will die in the back seat.
You gotta manage that better.
You guys are wrong.
You guys are just wrong.
Just upset because it was like a personal thing.
All right.
What do we got here?
I mean, wouldn't you be annoyed?
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You would be livid.
I would live it.
You would have been livid.
If I would be livid at the car that my windows went up after I left purposely left it down
because of her or some sensitive.
Yeah, I probably call.
What kind of car you have?
Lexus.
I'd probably call Lexus and be like, yo, why didn't you guys tell me about this feature?
Yeah.
Well, I didn't buy it.
No, it's old Lexus.
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What's what's the plans for 2025?
What's going into the new year?
No, no, I got a TCO this building.
I'm on.
You're going to do a new kitchen, new kitchen in the spring slash summer.
You'll be there.
Yeah, right.
You will be.
You're going to call.
You're going to call Pocco's plumbing in because I because they came on a hundred dollars
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cheaper than me.
No, I'm going to actually call whoever schedules and manages it.
Um, new kitchen.
I probably have to go to like Disney or something next year.
Oh, I know it's going to be rough.
We'll see though.
Should we talk about Disney?
No.
Should we talk about Disney and that evil, no, evil corporation that is not.
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No, we don't.
No, I don't want to talk about that.
I don't want to go either.
Don't worry.
But I did it for one kid.
I have to do it for the other.
Just don't tell the other kid.
But I'm thinking I might do it next December.
You know, I'm listening to like how you treat your daughters and you make sure you're at
cheer and I would be the worst father.
You don't know that.
I do know that.
I don't think so because you're really good to the dog.
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The dog can't talk back.
The dog.
I would just you met Riley, right?
Yeah.
She's got some sass on her.
Yeah, she's your kid.
Yeah, I know.
She looks just like you.
Did your wife, did your wife have anything to do with that kid?
The both of them look just like me.
Yeah.
But yeah, nothing else in 2025.
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That's it.
Just going to kind of barrel through and see how it ends.
Probably do a beach house in the summer.
That's about it.
What's the plan?
What's the plan for 2025?
Hopefully buy my own house.
That's going to be the that's going to be the goal.
Good luck.
I'd wait till fall 2025.
That's when they project.
That's what people keep telling me.
It's rates going down.
So everyone keeps telling me.
I mean, you get locked into that interest rate when you buy it.
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You can refinance, but it costs a lot of money.
It costs a lot of money to refinance.
Yeah, it can cost you like $15,000 just with like lawyers and fees.
Yeah, all that paperwork you got to do and you have to get a lawyer.
But it can be worth it.
It's yeah.
If you have money away, obviously, you know, the motto is you got to spend money to make
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money.
Yeah.
If you have 15 grand sitting there that you can use to refinance in the end in four years,
you'll make that back.
Yeah.
Plus more.
That's fair.
Like my house I bought during COVID.
I have the best interest rate in the world.
Yeah.
2.5.
People who bought their house during COVID is that's why I did it.
It's huge.
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2.5%.
That's crazy.
So smart.
The lady wanted out.
Yeah.
Scared of COVID.
Good.
Move to Florida.
Lucky you.
She moved to Florida.
Yeah.
During COVID.
Yep.
Florida had like no regulation, COVID regulation whatsoever, but they said that he killed it.
Yeah.
So that's the thing about the heat killing the virus.
Yeah.
Want to talk about COVID?
No.
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Want to just bash COVID right now?
I don't even know what COVID is.
The flu?
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Some fake sickness.
Yeah.
I'm good.
What do you got for 2025, Phil?
Me?
You got jobs lined up.
What's up?
We got jobs lined up.
I actually was going to plan on starting to look for a house at the end of this year,
but that's on hold.
Where in Pennsylvania?
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Anywhere but Jersey.
For some land.
Oh, not to live to just home.
By the end of 2025, I wanted to start seriously looking at homes, but that's not happening.
Like what?
To rent out?
Like a two family?
Not a buy.
To buy?
But when are you going to live there?
Well, I'll have the home and I'll just go there on the weekends or like, you know,
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I hope that by the end of middle of 2026, I would have another truck or two trucks on
the road.
I think 2025.
You're going to have to grind it out.
You're going to be working weekends.
2025 and 2026.
I'm going to have to grind out for the next two years.
Yes.
And we can go into those details off camera, which I don't want to talk about.
And then maybe 2027.
I see you buying like a nice property.
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I'm not making it to 2027.
Yeah, you are.
No way.
I could see you buying some nice land in Delaware.
Every night, I think I'm going to have a heart attack.
That's not good.
You should probably go talk to somebody.
Yeah, I guess.
We need to help each other first.
I do.
Tightness or pain?
The pain, the smoking is catching up to me.
You better quit.
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No.
He smells burning hair every once in a while.
Pancakes.
The left arm goes numb.
We'll get you to quit.
I've...
A pint glass of water.
So the other day, I don't know what I was doing before.
I sat down in the chair two seconds later.
I started feeling a tight in my heart and it starts like radiating down my arm.
I know.
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You told me about it.
Yeah.
Anyway, are we going to end on that note?
We should.
End on you having a heart attack.
No, I just need to start exercising.
So 2025, you're good to go.
2025.
Oh, you know what 2025?
This is a great thing about 2025.
I already paid for the house.
We do our family reunion down in South Carolina at this gorgeous beach house on the lake.
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Lake house.
Lake house.
And the whole family is coming this year.
I'm really excited about that.
I was thinking about doing...
Instead of a Jersey beach house this year for a week, I was thinking about doing North
Carolina or South Carolina for a week.
Outer Banks is the greatest place on earth.
But I could get a house for like 20 people for a third of the price for a week in Jersey.
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Well, Outer Banks is very expensive.
It's nuts in Jersey.
Outer Banks is expensive.
There's a spot that my friend goes to.
He has to drive on the beach to get to his house.
That's where I want to go.
Oak Creek.
There's horses running around.
And then we go to Coke Island.
Maybe.
Yeah.
And Avon.
That's where you want to be.
It's a little cheaper down there.
It's not so commercial, but you're isolated.
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But who cares?
I know, but I need to get...
I can't do this Jersey short thing again.
No.
You can't.
I need something different.
Have you ever been to the Outer Banks?
No.
Best beach in the world.
Best, most beautiful, most peaceful, best vacation I ever took.
I would go with a hearty...
Like I could go on the beach and there's not a guy sitting next to me this close, right?
Yeah, exactly.
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All right, guys, let's wrap it up.
What do you say?
Yeah.
Salvatore.
Yes.
Thanks for coming on.
Of course.
I appreciate this pretty much useless podcast episode that you just wanted to come on.
Just BS.
I'm down to do it for the new year.
For the Christmas.
Well, maybe we'll get an episode in.
I don't know.
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