December 21, 2024 • 29 mins
This episode with David Alvarez is meant to compliment the recent posts on the PM-Mastery website around year-end goals and self-development planning. You can find links to the posts that inspired this episode below in the show notes. In hindsight, I believe this podcast may be a bit late for some corporate listeners, but I hope they have already read the posts published earlier this month.
David is a friend and previous interviewee who, in this episode, shares his personal habits around goal planning and execution. The last time David was on the podcast was when we discussed goals back in 2020, episode #5, where we talked about the importance of "taking action." David, an avid goal-setter and self-improvement guru, shares how he sets and tracks his goals.
During the interview, David will discuss the "seven life accounts"—career, financial, family, health, educational, social, and spiritual—and how they can transform your approach to personal growth. This episode promises insights into maintaining life balance and strategies for adapting to life's unexpected challenges, all while using practical tools like fillable PDFs and the thought-provoking "funeral exercise" to clarify your personal mission.
Discover how to turn aspirations into achievements by breaking down goals into manageable tasks with David's advice. From forming life-enhancing habits to utilizing apps like Lose It for nutrition tracking, learn how to effectively streamline routines. We delve into the utility of self-assessment tools focused on project managers that include a SWOT and skills analysis that can be used to uncover opportunities for training, coaching, and mentorship. Plus, get the scoop on leveraging 360-degree feedback for personal and professional growth, as well as innovative strategies for overcoming challenges in feedback collection.
A special thanks to David Alvarez for sharing his wisdom.We invite you to subscribe to PM Mastery as we continue to bring remarkable guests and inspiring content your way.
Links:
- Connect with David on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-alvarez-ab08392b/
- David's Website: https://maxyourminutes.com/
- David's "Did you Know": Tampa FL is the Cigar Rolling capital of The World
Blog Posts that inspired this episode:
- Goals: https://pm-mastery.com/goals
- Self-Assessments: https://pm-mastery.com/personal-assessment/
- 360 Feedback: https://pm-mastery.com/360
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to the PM Mastery Podcast.
This podcast is all abouthelping you master your project
management skills by sharingtips, tricks, tools and training
to get you to the next level,while sharing the stories of
other project managers on theirjourney in project management.
And now here's your host, waltSparling.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome everybody to the current edition of PM
Mastery, and this could be thelast episode for 2024, which is
hopefully a really good one.
I hope to have this publishedChristmas week.
That is the plan, and if you'relistening to it on Christmas
and that worked.
So today I have with me DavidAlvarez.
(00:57):
David Alvarez has been on thepodcast before, I believe a
couple years ago, andcoincidentally, it's on the same
topic that we're going to talkabout tonight.
Welcome, david.
Thank you all.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Happy to have you so recently on my website and I've
shared it in LinkedIn I did someblog posts on goals setting
goals, goal planning,self-assessment and
self-evaluation, and then a 360feedback process.
(01:32):
So the goals I kind of wrappedthem around an acronym, the goal
being growth, opportunity,aspiration and learning, and we
can get into that a little bit.
Hopefully you've read the post.
If you haven't, I encourage youto do so.
We're going to get into alittle bit of self-assessment.
We're going to talk about howDavid and I both have done this
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over the years.
David is a huge goal setter andself-improvement guy, which is
why he's been on here twicespecific to this topic, and then
we're going to get into alittle more about some of the
stuff that David is now startingto do on his own.
So, david, let's get startedoff, introduce yourself and tell
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us a little bit about you.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Thanks, walt.
So, david Alvarez, I am not aproject manager, but I am a
listener of all of the podcastsWalt has put out from day one,
so super excited, and I'velearned that you can learn
something even if you're not inthat field Huge in a personal
growth and development.
I'm in Tampa, father of three,aptly married to Melissa, and
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I'm in the banking industry.
I have worked in various rolesin banking, from branches to
helping small businesses, andabout a year and a half almost
two years ago made a transitioninto more of a corporate role
where I work on all things bankstrategy.
So that's a little bit about meand what I do, and one of my
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passions is personal growth anddevelopment.
I saw the impact that it had onmy own life and so I took that
and now I really love to justkind of share what's worked for
me, because I've seen it workfor others as well.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Awesome Thanks, david .
So I mentioned that David'sbeen on the podcast before a
couple years ago and it was forthe same thing.
I usually do something aroundgoals every year, but I believe
two years ago on the podcast wetalked about goals and we
discussed a lot our men'smastermind.
So we're both in a men'smastermind group.
(03:40):
It's coming up on tail end ofseven years and we typically do
a retreat every year.
It should have passed by now,but this year, with all the
hurricanes down here, thingshave gotten delayed and we're
not doing the retreat until nextmonth, mid-month.
But part of the reason fordoing the retreat is to create
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goals for the following year,reflect on the past, and we've
come up with a planning methodthat's wrapped around seven life
accounts and David's the onewho put this together when we
first started seven years ago.
So, david, talk a little bitabout the seven life accounts
and, on the goal planning side,how was that used?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, definitely.
So there's a lot of differenttheories around this and I've
heard several differentindividuals that are focused on
personal growth and developmentkind of talk through some of
these.
What really resonated with meand then later resonated with
our group, was looking at yourlife in these seven accounts
right, so I call them accountsor domains, and one visual is if
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you take a wheel and you kindof make spokes, right, if you
put seven spokes in there andyou rate yourself and then you
connect the dots, you'll startto notice that sometimes one of
the life accounts you may not bedoing as well in, and when you
look at it from a distance youcan tell it's a wheel and that
wheel could be lopsided becausewe're not, you know, consistent
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in all those accounts.
So that's why it's important tokind financial, family, health,
educational and spiritual.
So those are the seven, andagain, we found, and science has
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found, that it is reallyimportant to focus in on not
just one but all of them,because we can get out of whack
and so it's important toperiodically review where we're
at in those areas and then makeadjustments accordingly.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So and to address that, one of the things that we
did is early on for the retreat,because most of the people that
are in the group are businesspeople of some form.
Some are entrepreneurs, someengineering banking forms, some
are entrepreneurs, someengineering banking, so a
variety of fields but technical.
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So we created a PDF, fillablePDF form and you would go
through and rank where you arein each of those categories and
that would, like David said, itwould show you how lopsided Now
we did have, we did kind ofbreak the universal rule a
little bit at times where we'dsay if you're really bad in one
area, maybe you do need to focuson that and get that up.
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And maybe there is if you loseyour job, career needs to be a
heavy focus.
So it's nice to keep it allbalanced, but sometimes you do
need to focus on one or theother.
But the the form, thequestionnaire that you go
through, and it does a lot morethan just the seven life
accounts.
It talks about a lot of thingslike do you have, you know, a
personal mission statement, whoyou are and what you want to do
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with your life?
So one of the cool assignmentswe've done is it's called this
funeral exercise and it's.
It's basically saying if I pass, basically saying if I pass,
who would I want at my funeral?
Who would I want to read afinal statement about me?
What kind of would I wantpictures?
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Would I want a static pictureor maybe a movie?
What kind of music would I wantto play?
Some interesting stuff.
So we learned a lot about eachother by going through that and
of course, david kept it.
So if we get surprised one dayand we go to the spouse or the
other, I'm like, hey, listen,this is what, this is what David
or Walt or Bob wanted.
So that was the thing.
But these forms are available.
(07:37):
I've adapted them for PMmastery, so they're in the
resource section.
There is downloadable formsthat you can fill out and walk
through for doing your goalplanning.
So goals are important and we'recoming up on that time of year
where people are talking aboutalthough I have to be honest, in
the circles I'm traveling now,I have not heard the word new
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year's or new words, new year'sresolution in quite a while,
mostly because I guess in thecorporate world that I travel
with and most of my friends arein business and corporate they
do talk about goals, notresolutions.
So in the early days it waslike, hey, don't do resolutions,
do goals, and you don't have todo them at the end of the year,
you can do it at any pointduring the year.
It's where you decide you wantto make a change, set some goals
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and go.
It's just the way we've done itis.
We have a cycle with our retreatthat we do, and then, if you
work for a corporation, a lot ofthem already set, like I'm in
the middle of not only doing myown personal goals and plans, I
am.
My actual personalself-assessment for work is due
tomorrow and we're going to talka little bit about some of the
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things I include in that as well.
So, david, you do a lot of goalplanning.
You've actually taught thegroup some ways that you track
and how you keep up with yourgoals and keep moving forward
and not stopping after the firstcouple weeks, which is a common
thing with New Year'sresolutions.
(09:03):
So tell us a little bit abouthow you go about that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, no, definitely.
So it's important.
A couple different things here,right?
So it's important to keep thegoals that you set top of mind
Early on.
We would have a group meetingand we would be a couple weeks
removed from the retreat.
We go around and we wouldstruggle all.
Once I'm done with the goalsetting exercise, I go into
(09:34):
Canva and do a quick I'll callit infographic where I take the
word that I had for the year, Iput that in the middle and then
all around it I put an image ofsomething that represents what
the goal was and I'll put thenumber on top of it.
So, for example, I said Iwanted to jog 500 miles this
year.
So I have like a little runningman with 500 on top of him or
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on his T-shirt.
That infographic I then put onas a screensaver.
So it's on a screensaver on myphone, my iPad, my laptop.
So anytime I'm looking at myphone I'm constantly reminded oh
yeah, that's the goal that Iset.
(10:18):
Another thing is, when we dothat annual goal, it looks
really big and dauntingsometimes.
So breaking that annual goaldown into not just monthly but
daily results like what do Ineed to do daily, and then
realizing that in many cases,that daily goal, in order for
you to achieve it, you have tohave a habit behind it, right?
And we've talked about thehabit loop that you can create.
So I then break it down and say, okay, what daily habits do I
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need to have in order to achievethat goal?
I have for myself, because Itend to go a little overboard, I
create an Excel document whereI have little check boxes.
So every morning when I wake up, I've got my, my seven goals
lined up and I have what habit Ihave tied to that.
So, for example, that jogginggoal I referenced a minute ago,
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in order for me to hit that, Iknow I need to jog five times a
week and so I have.
Did I check all five boxes thisweek?
So I do a morning routine and aweekly routine and that weekly
routine I'm looking back at hey,did I achieve the goals that I
said I was going to achieve thisweek in order for me to hit
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that annual goal?
So those are the big things is,to recap, having that visual,
keeping it top of mind, havingbreaking it down into monthly,
weekly, daily goals and thencreating a habit to help you
obtain that and then measuringit, because you can't, you know,
manage what you don't measure.
So if you are measuring it, youcan start to tell pretty
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quickly hey, am I on or offtrack on these areas?
And you can pivot accordingly.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, and the kind of the previous part to the
tracking, to kind of look at itin one way is my goal at the end
of the year is to do X.
Well, what do I need to doevery month to meet that annual
goal?
Well, what do I need to doevery week to meet that monthly
goal, to meet that annual goal?
And what do I need to do everyday to meet that weekly goal, to
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meet that monthly goal, to meetthat annual goal.
And then that comes into whatyou're talking about, david,
with habits.
So you know you're going to goto the gym in the morning, your
gym clothes are out the nightbefore and your sneakers and
socks and then your work clothesall ready to go.
You don't have to try to figureout what you're going to wear.
Do you have clean clothes?
So things like that.
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And then putting that out thenight before, so they're ready
in the morning.
Uh, setting up habits.
I, I, I'm getting old, so I setup reminders on my phone.
Um, hey, make sure you takeyour vitamins or make sure you
uh, record this data or whatever.
Find what works for you, butthen track it too.
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I use Lose it.
It's an app you can track yournutrition, your hydration, your
steps, your weight, and then youcan go back and look.
It does little charts, tellsyou how you're doing, you're
progressing, you're up and downs, et cetera.
So that's one way to track.
I know, david, you created thismonster spreadsheet where you
had all of the individual thingsand you have the lines for them
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, and then you fill in when youcomplete different ones each day
.
All right, so after the goals,which obviously we both have
ways of going through, we havesome forms out there that you
can download to do your goalplanning.
There's a few tools that youcan use.
So one is self-assessment.
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So there is a post onself-assessment and then last
week I added to that, down atthe bottom, a form that you can
download.
It's a spreadsheet and itbasically walks you through all
of the steps of theself-assessment.
You can rank yourself indifferent categories.
Now this self-assessment is forproject managers.
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It's not a generic one.
So it talks about skill sets,where you rank yourself in
various areas and it gives youan average overall.
It also does a SWOT analysis.
It allows you to reflect onother areas that maybe aren't in
the key skill sets and you canuse that to develop a plan for,
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like what, what kind of trainingdo I want to get into?
Courses do I want to take?
Do I want to maybe hire a pmcoach or mentor to work through
this with me?
So it gives you some things tothink about doing, doing a
self-assessment which I'mcompleting for myself tomorrow
both work and personal and 360feedback.
(14:39):
So 360 feedback is where you dokind of a peer review with
people around you and it talksabout the various types of
people you could invite and it'sall personal choice.
Not all of them are required.
Some of them are actually maynot be allowed.
Like, if you're at work, theymay not want you to reach out to
the client and ask for feedback, but if maybe you're in upper
leadership, you may want to dothat.
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So it depends on where you falland you've got to be
conscientious of how you do that.
So, david, on theself-assessment in 360, what
kind of stuff do you do there?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, so I know we had chatted about this before.
Self-assessment I'm veryfamiliar with We've been doing a
version of it in the group.
I really do like in your postand the resources that you put
on your website.
Having it broken down, the SWOTanalysis, I think is really
really good too.
Website Having it broken down,the SWOT analysis, I think is
really really good too.
So I really like that.
Some of the other tools thatI've personally used just for my
personal goal setting is, whenI do my self-assessment, I also
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want to look back at some of thekey things, some things I may
have forgotten about from theprior year.
So I have an exercise whereI'll go through all of my photos
and I'll just scroll throughthe photos for the year, pull
things out.
Okay, this is a highlight, thisis something that that went
really well and I want to makesure I give myself credit for it
.
And then area, you know, somephotos that come to mind that,
(16:03):
hey, this is reminds me ofsomething I didn't achieve.
Um, do the same thing withsocial media, go back on my
account, scroll back to a year,kind of float it through.
So those are just some otherthings that I use, but again, I
really like the format that youhave on the website.
The 360 feedback, I think, ishuge.
This is one that I feel likehas been a big miss for me.
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When I saw your post and sawwhat you had put on the website,
it reminded me of it.
I was in a leadership class onetime a few years back where
this was part of the exercisethe assessment went out to.
I got to choose who was goingto, and I believe it went out to
10 people.
I think you recommended sevento 10.
And so it then put together forme just kind of like a report,
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and in that report I got hisanonymous feedback on some of
the key areas like communication.
Some of the things that youhave listed here was what was in
there, and I remember thatbeing so valuable and impactful
for me.
I just honestly never thoughtabout doing it annually, and so
this is something I'm going tobe incorporating this year,
based on the feedback that youprovided, and look forward to
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having this as part of my newannual ritual.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, the 360 is something I've been doing for I
think this was my fourth yearand this one is a little awkward
because I just started on a newaccount.
I've been here seven months, soI've only had a few people.
I'm working on one big projectand it's three years long, so I
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have minimal interaction withsome of the teammates, but I do
I'm actually kind of coachingwith we're not coaching do
one-on-ones with one of the PMson the team and kind of feed,
give her feedback on hermeetings and stuff like that.
I have another senior personwho's kind of a co-leader of the
team.
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She runs some of the PMs.
We do a weekly one-on-one, so Iasked both of them for 360
feedback.
And then I also asked one ofthe business kind of they're
another service line thatdoesn't work for our same
company, but we work together alot and we meet at least weekly
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and we also meet a lot offline.
So that's the best I could dothis year.
As far as getting feedback, I'mnot comfortable in reaching out
to the client.
Just haven't built that kind ofclose.
We have a good relationship,but that might be a little too.
You know too much, so I haven'tdone that.
But get whatever you can.
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In the feedback and in the postthat you mentioned, there is
actually a generic email form ofhey, this is how you can word
it.
Now there is some caveats inthere.
You know, ask this or this orthis and then ask any other
thing you want.
So whatever it is you'recurious about, you can put in
there and you could do a survey.
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Like David you mentioned, yourswas anonymous, so mine are not
anonymous.
They are.
I dress them specifically topeople when I get them back.
I then summarize all them in.
What I've been doing in the pastfew years is I would create a
draft, a letter to my manager,and say hey, I do this process,
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I have been doing this process,and these are peers that I work
with on a regular basis, both onmy team, off my team, business
units that you may not actuallyinteract with, but it would be
good for you to hear theirfeedback, I think, for you to
know how I work, and it's notalways the.
I mean, I get pretty goodfeedback, but once in a while I
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might get a line.
Or you know, one person saidyou know you have a sense of
humor that not some, some peopledon't get because they don't.
They can't tell if you'reserious or joking.
So maybe think about that whenyou use humor.
So I mean there's differentpeople will give you different
feedback and that's the wholepoint of this, cause I never
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really thought about I'm just.
You know, I try to be funny.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, no, listen, we all have blind spots, and unless
we're asking, we're not goingto get that feedback right, and
so that's why this is soimpactful and, like I said, why
I'm going to be putting thisinto practice myself.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And one of the things I hope to do here in the next
week or so as I update, I dowant to do kind of a summary
post that's going to include allof this information and create
an email template that you canjust pick on and download.
I mean you could copy and pastefrom the website, but it's an
email template you can downloadand it will work in most email
programs for doing your 360.
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So one of the things I thoughtabout David, you were talking
about about this was somethingcalled a brag bag.
Now I call it a brag folder,but I used to create a folder
for each of my teammates and mywell, my team what I managed,
and if they got some kind ofkudos, whether from above or a
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peer, or they shared somethingwith me or they were given an
award, I would throw thatnotification into their folder
in Outlook.
Or I also had a OneNote folderand I would drop the emails in
there and at the end of the year, when everyone does their
self-evaluation, I would look athow they talked about
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themselves, what are theiraccomplishments, what are things
they need to work on, and itwas so common for them to forget
all of the accomplishments asfar as awards and kudos.
So I would try to stress thatnear the end of the year, after
I started seeing a pattern, andthen I, when I did, when I
reviewed them, I would use thatbrag bag folder to say, hey, you
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did a good job here, you did agood job there, Keep up with
this, et cetera.
So that's a good thing.
If you want to go back, if youwork in an environment where
you're being asked to do aself-evaluation or self-review,
or maybe even if you're justdoing it for yourself, you're
going to go.
What are the positives when,david, you're talking about the
photos and sometimes you go backand you go, oh, that's right, I
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did that, that was cool, thatwas a good thing this year.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So along the same kind of lines, yeah, and I'm
always surprised Every time I dothat.
I always I'm like that happenedthis year, that felt like three
years ago, right, so it'simportant to take the time to do
that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So we've talked a little bit about you know the
posts on goals andself-assessment.
We've talked a little bit aboutyou know the posts on goals and
self-assessment.
I think a lot of people doself-assessments.
I think a lot of people setsome kind of goals.
Maybe they don't have astructure.
Hopefully this will help withthat.
There are forms on the websitefor the goal planning, the
self-assessment and the 360.
I hope to add a template, butyou can copy and paste the base
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email template out of there andmodify it as you see fit.
I think once you read it you'llkind of get the the intent of
what it's for.
So the other thing uh, david,we, you know we talked about you
.
You're being, you're a big uhplanner of uh, your future, your
self-development.
You've got trackers.
You've got uh your.
You helped us for themastermind, create our goal
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planning sheets.
You recently started gettingout on LinkedIn and you started
a blog.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Thank you.
Yeah, so with with the group,I've seen all of us, everyone
that's in the group grow, andespecially you, walt.
I remember you talking aboutthis podcast.
I remember you talking aboutthe blog, and watching you over
these years not just talk aboutit but put it into action is,
honestly, is what has inspiredme.
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I feel like I have something toshare.
I feel like what I've been ableto accomplish over the past few
years, if I can do it, anybodycan do it, and it's just what I
found is successful and I feellike it can help others.
And so, because I feel like Ihave something to share, I just
didn't know how to share it.
I thought of kind of followingyour format a little bit.
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So having a LinkedIn, beingable to share some things that
I'm working on or some thingsthat are helping me in the
moment I know can help others,and then having a blog where I
can archive all of that.
I have started a little bit of abook that I would hope that's
one of my goals over the nextcouple of years to be able to
get that done, and it would bealong the same lines of what
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we're talking about, right?
So personal growth, development, but not just that, again,
productivity.
I feel like getting organized,having goals, setting goals,
keeping track of them really canhelp you 10x what you do, and
when you 10x what you can do,you can be so much more
impactful in all areas of yourlife.
I feel like I'm a better father, husband, employee, friend
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because of the things I've beenable to do, and again, I get
really encouraged when I can goand help others do that too.
So that's been you and a fewothers out there that I'm sure
will probably listen to thispodcast have been inspirations
to get me to step out of mycomfort zone.
I would not have feltcomfortable even doing this
podcast a few years back.
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So I feel like I'm growing andthis is going to give me an
opportunity to grow further.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, I can definitely say that in the time
I've known you which has been, Idon't know, maybe 12 years,
under 12 years I've learned alot from you and you've been a
great motivation for myself andfor the other men in the group.
It's amazing, everybody kind ofjokes about David and his goal
tracking and his you don't.
(25:33):
You know.
Here's someone says listen,yeah, I have a goal of 500.
I think I'm around a hundred sofar.
Whatever David says, I am 0.27%into my goal.
And here it's right in thisspreadsheet, right here.
It's amazing.
And I know that you've donecoaching for others on the side,
both in a personal and businessenvironment.
(25:56):
So you talked aboutproductivity.
You've helped companies withtheir growth.
You've also helped executiveswithin your firm where you work,
do better, and I know we dokind of a casual once a month
breakfast and I kind of look atthat as almost a coaching thing.
So if I have ideas I can bouncethem off of you and you give me
feedback.
So, yeah, you've been a goodinspiration.
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I know anything you put outthere is going to be useful.
So I'm looking forward toseeing more of that.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thank you, I appreciate it, and thanks again
for um for what you've done,cause, like I said, you've been
an inspiration for us as well.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So at the uh, in the show notes, I'm going to include
links to all these things wetalked about the pod or the I'm
sorry, the, the blog posts yes,maybe the previous podcast, the
forms for both goal planning,the self-assessment.
I want to put a link in therefor your blog, david, and a link
(26:54):
which is common for us, toshare your LinkedIn profile.
So if what David is sayingresonates with you and you want
to keep up with what he's doing,I encourage you to connect with
him on LinkedIn and grow yournetwork and then maybe send us
some feedback, like, if you usethe forums the goal planning
(27:15):
forums, send maybe connect withDavid or myself or both and say
hey, listen, I've used theforums.
I have received some reallypositive feedback from PMs that
I shared that form.
I did a post last year I thinkit was early in the year
actually and I had a couple ofpeople reach out oh my God, I've
downloaded your forms and onesaid my husband and I are both
(27:35):
going through it.
We're going to follow thisthing.
Thank you so much.
There's useful data there andgoal planning is very important.
Amen.
Anything else you'd like to addto the end?
I know typically we do a.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Did you know and I?
I don't recall if you plannedon doing it.
Did you know?
I did not, but I can share one.
Um, I'll do, just because I'mfamiliar with this.
You are as well.
Uh, did you know?
So Walt and I are both in Tampa.
And did you know?
Tampa is the cigar capital ofthe world, produce more cigars
than any other city in the worldover the course of the last,
(28:15):
I'd say, I guess, 100, 200 years.
So that is something that a lotof people, even in the cigar
industry, don't really know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And that's interesting and it's great for
us because we're both cigarsmokers.
Yeah, ybor is a big cigar placehere in the Tampa area.
Yep, okay, that's a great.
Did you know?
I like it.
All right, we will continue tobring in interesting guests as
we move into 2025.
(28:44):
And I want to thank you, david,for coming on again, and we'll
see everyone else in the nextepisode of PM Mastery.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Thanks for listening to the PM Mastery podcast at
wwwpm-masterycom.
Be sure to subscribe in yourpodcast player Until next time.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Keep working on your craft.
Welcome to the PM Mastery Podcast.
This podcast is all abouthelping you master your project
management skills by sharingtips, tricks, tools and training
to get you to the next level,while sharing the stories of
other project managers on theirjourney in project management.
And now here's your host, waltSparling.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome everybody to the current edition of PM
Mastery, and this could be thelast episode for 2024, which is
hopefully a really good one.
I hope to have this publishedChristmas week.
That is the plan, and if you'relistening to it on Christmas
and that worked.
So today I have with me DavidAlvarez.
(00:57):
David Alvarez has been on thepodcast before, I believe a
couple years ago, andcoincidentally, it's on the same
topic that we're going to talkabout tonight.
Welcome, david.
Thank you all.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Happy to have you so recently on my website and I've
shared it in LinkedIn I did someblog posts on goals setting
goals, goal planning,self-assessment and
self-evaluation, and then a 360feedback process.
(01:32):
So the goals I kind of wrappedthem around an acronym, the goal
being growth, opportunity,aspiration and learning, and we
can get into that a little bit.
Hopefully you've read the post.
If you haven't, I encourage youto do so.
We're going to get into alittle bit of self-assessment.
We're going to talk about howDavid and I both have done this
(01:54):
over the years.
David is a huge goal setter andself-improvement guy, which is
why he's been on here twicespecific to this topic, and then
we're going to get into alittle more about some of the
stuff that David is now startingto do on his own.
So, david, let's get startedoff, introduce yourself and tell
(02:14):
us a little bit about you.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Thanks, walt.
So, david Alvarez, I am not aproject manager, but I am a
listener of all of the podcastsWalt has put out from day one,
so super excited, and I'velearned that you can learn
something even if you're not inthat field Huge in a personal
growth and development.
I'm in Tampa, father of three,aptly married to Melissa, and
(02:42):
I'm in the banking industry.
I have worked in various rolesin banking, from branches to
helping small businesses, andabout a year and a half almost
two years ago made a transitioninto more of a corporate role
where I work on all things bankstrategy.
So that's a little bit about meand what I do, and one of my
(03:05):
passions is personal growth anddevelopment.
I saw the impact that it had onmy own life and so I took that
and now I really love to justkind of share what's worked for
me, because I've seen it workfor others as well.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Awesome Thanks, david .
So I mentioned that David'sbeen on the podcast before a
couple years ago and it was forthe same thing.
I usually do something aroundgoals every year, but I believe
two years ago on the podcast wetalked about goals and we
discussed a lot our men'smastermind.
So we're both in a men'smastermind group.
(03:40):
It's coming up on tail end ofseven years and we typically do
a retreat every year.
It should have passed by now,but this year, with all the
hurricanes down here, thingshave gotten delayed and we're
not doing the retreat until nextmonth, mid-month.
But part of the reason fordoing the retreat is to create
(04:03):
goals for the following year,reflect on the past, and we've
come up with a planning methodthat's wrapped around seven life
accounts and David's the onewho put this together when we
first started seven years ago.
So, david, talk a little bitabout the seven life accounts
and, on the goal planning side,how was that used?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, definitely.
So there's a lot of differenttheories around this and I've
heard several differentindividuals that are focused on
personal growth and developmentkind of talk through some of
these.
What really resonated with meand then later resonated with
our group, was looking at yourlife in these seven accounts
right, so I call them accountsor domains, and one visual is if
(04:51):
you take a wheel and you kindof make spokes, right, if you
put seven spokes in there andyou rate yourself and then you
connect the dots, you'll startto notice that sometimes one of
the life accounts you may not bedoing as well in, and when you
look at it from a distance youcan tell it's a wheel and that
wheel could be lopsided becausewe're not, you know, consistent
(05:13):
in all those accounts.
So that's why it's important tokind financial, family, health,
educational and spiritual.
So those are the seven, andagain, we found, and science has
(05:34):
found, that it is reallyimportant to focus in on not
just one but all of them,because we can get out of whack
and so it's important toperiodically review where we're
at in those areas and then makeadjustments accordingly.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So and to address that, one of the things that we
did is early on for the retreat,because most of the people that
are in the group are businesspeople of some form.
Some are entrepreneurs, someengineering banking forms, some
are entrepreneurs, someengineering banking, so a
variety of fields but technical.
(06:09):
So we created a PDF, fillablePDF form and you would go
through and rank where you arein each of those categories and
that would, like David said, itwould show you how lopsided Now
we did have, we did kind ofbreak the universal rule a
little bit at times where we'dsay if you're really bad in one
area, maybe you do need to focuson that and get that up.
(06:30):
And maybe there is if you loseyour job, career needs to be a
heavy focus.
So it's nice to keep it allbalanced, but sometimes you do
need to focus on one or theother.
But the the form, thequestionnaire that you go
through, and it does a lot morethan just the seven life
accounts.
It talks about a lot of thingslike do you have, you know, a
personal mission statement, whoyou are and what you want to do
(06:54):
with your life?
So one of the cool assignmentswe've done is it's called this
funeral exercise and it's.
It's basically saying if I pass, basically saying if I pass,
who would I want at my funeral?
Who would I want to read afinal statement about me?
What kind of would I wantpictures?
(07:16):
Would I want a static pictureor maybe a movie?
What kind of music would I wantto play?
Some interesting stuff.
So we learned a lot about eachother by going through that and
of course, david kept it.
So if we get surprised one dayand we go to the spouse or the
other, I'm like, hey, listen,this is what, this is what David
or Walt or Bob wanted.
So that was the thing.
But these forms are available.
(07:37):
I've adapted them for PMmastery, so they're in the
resource section.
There is downloadable formsthat you can fill out and walk
through for doing your goalplanning.
So goals are important and we'recoming up on that time of year
where people are talking aboutalthough I have to be honest, in
the circles I'm traveling now,I have not heard the word new
(07:58):
year's or new words, new year'sresolution in quite a while,
mostly because I guess in thecorporate world that I travel
with and most of my friends arein business and corporate they
do talk about goals, notresolutions.
So in the early days it waslike, hey, don't do resolutions,
do goals, and you don't have todo them at the end of the year,
you can do it at any pointduring the year.
It's where you decide you wantto make a change, set some goals
(08:21):
and go.
It's just the way we've done itis.
We have a cycle with our retreatthat we do, and then, if you
work for a corporation, a lot ofthem already set, like I'm in
the middle of not only doing myown personal goals and plans, I
am.
My actual personalself-assessment for work is due
tomorrow and we're going to talka little bit about some of the
(08:43):
things I include in that as well.
So, david, you do a lot of goalplanning.
You've actually taught thegroup some ways that you track
and how you keep up with yourgoals and keep moving forward
and not stopping after the firstcouple weeks, which is a common
thing with New Year'sresolutions.
(09:03):
So tell us a little bit abouthow you go about that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, no, definitely.
So it's important.
A couple different things here,right?
So it's important to keep thegoals that you set top of mind
Early on.
We would have a group meetingand we would be a couple weeks
removed from the retreat.
We go around and we wouldstruggle all.
Once I'm done with the goalsetting exercise, I go into
(09:34):
Canva and do a quick I'll callit infographic where I take the
word that I had for the year, Iput that in the middle and then
all around it I put an image ofsomething that represents what
the goal was and I'll put thenumber on top of it.
So, for example, I said Iwanted to jog 500 miles this
year.
So I have like a little runningman with 500 on top of him or
(09:56):
on his T-shirt.
That infographic I then put onas a screensaver.
So it's on a screensaver on myphone, my iPad, my laptop.
So anytime I'm looking at myphone I'm constantly reminded oh
yeah, that's the goal that Iset.
(10:18):
Another thing is, when we dothat annual goal, it looks
really big and dauntingsometimes.
So breaking that annual goaldown into not just monthly but
daily results like what do Ineed to do daily, and then
realizing that in many cases,that daily goal, in order for
you to achieve it, you have tohave a habit behind it, right?
And we've talked about thehabit loop that you can create.
So I then break it down and say, okay, what daily habits do I
(10:38):
need to have in order to achievethat goal?
I have for myself, because Itend to go a little overboard, I
create an Excel document whereI have little check boxes.
So every morning when I wake up, I've got my, my seven goals
lined up and I have what habit Ihave tied to that.
So, for example, that jogginggoal I referenced a minute ago,
(11:00):
in order for me to hit that, Iknow I need to jog five times a
week and so I have.
Did I check all five boxes thisweek?
So I do a morning routine and aweekly routine and that weekly
routine I'm looking back at hey,did I achieve the goals that I
said I was going to achieve thisweek in order for me to hit
(11:20):
that annual goal?
So those are the big things is,to recap, having that visual,
keeping it top of mind, havingbreaking it down into monthly,
weekly, daily goals and thencreating a habit to help you
obtain that and then measuringit, because you can't, you know,
manage what you don't measure.
So if you are measuring it, youcan start to tell pretty
(11:43):
quickly hey, am I on or offtrack on these areas?
And you can pivot accordingly.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, and the kind of the previous part to the
tracking, to kind of look at itin one way is my goal at the end
of the year is to do X.
Well, what do I need to doevery month to meet that annual
goal?
Well, what do I need to doevery week to meet that monthly
goal, to meet that annual goal?
And what do I need to do everyday to meet that weekly goal, to
(12:10):
meet that monthly goal, to meetthat annual goal.
And then that comes into whatyou're talking about, david,
with habits.
So you know you're going to goto the gym in the morning, your
gym clothes are out the nightbefore and your sneakers and
socks and then your work clothesall ready to go.
You don't have to try to figureout what you're going to wear.
Do you have clean clothes?
So things like that.
(12:31):
And then putting that out thenight before, so they're ready
in the morning.
Uh, setting up habits.
I, I, I'm getting old, so I setup reminders on my phone.
Um, hey, make sure you takeyour vitamins or make sure you
uh, record this data or whatever.
Find what works for you, butthen track it too.
(12:52):
I use Lose it.
It's an app you can track yournutrition, your hydration, your
steps, your weight, and then youcan go back and look.
It does little charts, tellsyou how you're doing, you're
progressing, you're up and downs, et cetera.
So that's one way to track.
I know, david, you created thismonster spreadsheet where you
had all of the individual thingsand you have the lines for them
(13:14):
, and then you fill in when youcomplete different ones each day
.
All right, so after the goals,which obviously we both have
ways of going through, we havesome forms out there that you
can download to do your goalplanning.
There's a few tools that youcan use.
So one is self-assessment.
(13:35):
So there is a post onself-assessment and then last
week I added to that, down atthe bottom, a form that you can
download.
It's a spreadsheet and itbasically walks you through all
of the steps of theself-assessment.
You can rank yourself indifferent categories.
Now this self-assessment is forproject managers.
(13:56):
It's not a generic one.
So it talks about skill sets,where you rank yourself in
various areas and it gives youan average overall.
It also does a SWOT analysis.
It allows you to reflect onother areas that maybe aren't in
the key skill sets and you canuse that to develop a plan for,
(14:17):
like what, what kind of trainingdo I want to get into?
Courses do I want to take?
Do I want to maybe hire a pmcoach or mentor to work through
this with me?
So it gives you some things tothink about doing, doing a
self-assessment which I'mcompleting for myself tomorrow
both work and personal and 360feedback.
(14:39):
So 360 feedback is where you dokind of a peer review with
people around you and it talksabout the various types of
people you could invite and it'sall personal choice.
Not all of them are required.
Some of them are actually maynot be allowed.
Like, if you're at work, theymay not want you to reach out to
the client and ask for feedback, but if maybe you're in upper
leadership, you may want to dothat.
(15:00):
So it depends on where you falland you've got to be
conscientious of how you do that.
So, david, on theself-assessment in 360, what
kind of stuff do you do there?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, so I know we had chatted about this before.
Self-assessment I'm veryfamiliar with We've been doing a
version of it in the group.
I really do like in your postand the resources that you put
on your website.
Having it broken down, the SWOTanalysis, I think is really
really good too.
Website Having it broken down,the SWOT analysis, I think is
really really good too.
So I really like that.
Some of the other tools thatI've personally used just for my
personal goal setting is, whenI do my self-assessment, I also
(15:42):
want to look back at some of thekey things, some things I may
have forgotten about from theprior year.
So I have an exercise whereI'll go through all of my photos
and I'll just scroll throughthe photos for the year, pull
things out.
Okay, this is a highlight, thisis something that that went
really well and I want to makesure I give myself credit for it
.
And then area, you know, somephotos that come to mind that,
(16:03):
hey, this is reminds me ofsomething I didn't achieve.
Um, do the same thing withsocial media, go back on my
account, scroll back to a year,kind of float it through.
So those are just some otherthings that I use, but again, I
really like the format that youhave on the website.
The 360 feedback, I think, ishuge.
This is one that I feel likehas been a big miss for me.
(16:23):
When I saw your post and sawwhat you had put on the website,
it reminded me of it.
I was in a leadership class onetime a few years back where
this was part of the exercisethe assessment went out to.
I got to choose who was goingto, and I believe it went out to
10 people.
I think you recommended sevento 10.
And so it then put together forme just kind of like a report,
(16:49):
and in that report I got hisanonymous feedback on some of
the key areas like communication.
Some of the things that youhave listed here was what was in
there, and I remember thatbeing so valuable and impactful
for me.
I just honestly never thoughtabout doing it annually, and so
this is something I'm going tobe incorporating this year,
based on the feedback that youprovided, and look forward to
(17:11):
having this as part of my newannual ritual.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, the 360 is something I've been doing for I
think this was my fourth yearand this one is a little awkward
because I just started on a newaccount.
I've been here seven months, soI've only had a few people.
I'm working on one big projectand it's three years long, so I
(17:35):
have minimal interaction withsome of the teammates, but I do
I'm actually kind of coachingwith we're not coaching do
one-on-ones with one of the PMson the team and kind of feed,
give her feedback on hermeetings and stuff like that.
I have another senior personwho's kind of a co-leader of the
team.
(17:55):
She runs some of the PMs.
We do a weekly one-on-one, so Iasked both of them for 360
feedback.
And then I also asked one ofthe business kind of they're
another service line thatdoesn't work for our same
company, but we work together alot and we meet at least weekly
(18:15):
and we also meet a lot offline.
So that's the best I could dothis year.
As far as getting feedback, I'mnot comfortable in reaching out
to the client.
Just haven't built that kind ofclose.
We have a good relationship,but that might be a little too.
You know too much, so I haven'tdone that.
But get whatever you can.
(18:38):
In the feedback and in the postthat you mentioned, there is
actually a generic email form ofhey, this is how you can word
it.
Now there is some caveats inthere.
You know, ask this or this orthis and then ask any other
thing you want.
So whatever it is you'recurious about, you can put in
there and you could do a survey.
(18:58):
Like David you mentioned, yourswas anonymous, so mine are not
anonymous.
They are.
I dress them specifically topeople when I get them back.
I then summarize all them in.
What I've been doing in the pastfew years is I would create a
draft, a letter to my manager,and say hey, I do this process,
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I have been doing this process,and these are peers that I work
with on a regular basis, both onmy team, off my team, business
units that you may not actuallyinteract with, but it would be
good for you to hear theirfeedback, I think, for you to
know how I work, and it's notalways the.
I mean, I get pretty goodfeedback, but once in a while I
(19:39):
might get a line.
Or you know, one person saidyou know you have a sense of
humor that not some, some peopledon't get because they don't.
They can't tell if you'reserious or joking.
So maybe think about that whenyou use humor.
So I mean there's differentpeople will give you different
feedback and that's the wholepoint of this, cause I never
(20:00):
really thought about I'm just.
You know, I try to be funny.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, no, listen, we all have blind spots, and unless
we're asking, we're not goingto get that feedback right, and
so that's why this is soimpactful and, like I said, why
I'm going to be putting thisinto practice myself.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And one of the things I hope to do here in the next
week or so as I update, I dowant to do kind of a summary
post that's going to include allof this information and create
an email template that you canjust pick on and download.
I mean you could copy and pastefrom the website, but it's an
email template you can downloadand it will work in most email
programs for doing your 360.
(20:36):
So one of the things I thoughtabout David, you were talking
about about this was somethingcalled a brag bag.
Now I call it a brag folder,but I used to create a folder
for each of my teammates and mywell, my team what I managed,
and if they got some kind ofkudos, whether from above or a
(21:00):
peer, or they shared somethingwith me or they were given an
award, I would throw thatnotification into their folder
in Outlook.
Or I also had a OneNote folderand I would drop the emails in
there and at the end of the year, when everyone does their
self-evaluation, I would look athow they talked about
(21:21):
themselves, what are theiraccomplishments, what are things
they need to work on, and itwas so common for them to forget
all of the accomplishments asfar as awards and kudos.
So I would try to stress thatnear the end of the year, after
I started seeing a pattern, andthen I, when I did, when I
reviewed them, I would use thatbrag bag folder to say, hey, you
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did a good job here, you did agood job there, Keep up with
this, et cetera.
So that's a good thing.
If you want to go back, if youwork in an environment where
you're being asked to do aself-evaluation or self-review,
or maybe even if you're justdoing it for yourself, you're
going to go.
What are the positives when,david, you're talking about the
photos and sometimes you go backand you go, oh, that's right, I
(22:01):
did that, that was cool, thatwas a good thing this year.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So along the same kind of lines, yeah, and I'm
always surprised Every time I dothat.
I always I'm like that happenedthis year, that felt like three
years ago, right, so it'simportant to take the time to do
that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So we've talked a little bit about you know the
posts on goals andself-assessment.
We've talked a little bit aboutyou know the posts on goals and
self-assessment.
I think a lot of people doself-assessments.
I think a lot of people setsome kind of goals.
Maybe they don't have astructure.
Hopefully this will help withthat.
There are forms on the websitefor the goal planning, the
self-assessment and the 360.
I hope to add a template, butyou can copy and paste the base
(22:44):
email template out of there andmodify it as you see fit.
I think once you read it you'llkind of get the the intent of
what it's for.
So the other thing uh, david,we, you know we talked about you
.
You're being, you're a big uhplanner of uh, your future, your
self-development.
You've got trackers.
You've got uh your.
You helped us for themastermind, create our goal
(23:05):
planning sheets.
You recently started gettingout on LinkedIn and you started
a blog.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Thank you.
Yeah, so with with the group,I've seen all of us, everyone
that's in the group grow, andespecially you, walt.
I remember you talking aboutthis podcast.
I remember you talking aboutthe blog, and watching you over
these years not just talk aboutit but put it into action is,
honestly, is what has inspiredme.
(23:38):
I feel like I have something toshare.
I feel like what I've been ableto accomplish over the past few
years, if I can do it, anybodycan do it, and it's just what I
found is successful and I feellike it can help others.
And so, because I feel like Ihave something to share, I just
didn't know how to share it.
I thought of kind of followingyour format a little bit.
(23:59):
So having a LinkedIn, beingable to share some things that
I'm working on or some thingsthat are helping me in the
moment I know can help others,and then having a blog where I
can archive all of that.
I have started a little bit of abook that I would hope that's
one of my goals over the nextcouple of years to be able to
get that done, and it would bealong the same lines of what
(24:22):
we're talking about, right?
So personal growth, development, but not just that, again,
productivity.
I feel like getting organized,having goals, setting goals,
keeping track of them really canhelp you 10x what you do, and
when you 10x what you can do,you can be so much more
impactful in all areas of yourlife.
I feel like I'm a better father, husband, employee, friend
(24:46):
because of the things I've beenable to do, and again, I get
really encouraged when I can goand help others do that too.
So that's been you and a fewothers out there that I'm sure
will probably listen to thispodcast have been inspirations
to get me to step out of mycomfort zone.
I would not have feltcomfortable even doing this
podcast a few years back.
(25:07):
So I feel like I'm growing andthis is going to give me an
opportunity to grow further.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, I can definitely say that in the time
I've known you which has been, Idon't know, maybe 12 years,
under 12 years I've learned alot from you and you've been a
great motivation for myself andfor the other men in the group.
It's amazing, everybody kind ofjokes about David and his goal
tracking and his you don't.
(25:33):
You know.
Here's someone says listen,yeah, I have a goal of 500.
I think I'm around a hundred sofar.
Whatever David says, I am 0.27%into my goal.
And here it's right in thisspreadsheet, right here.
It's amazing.
And I know that you've donecoaching for others on the side,
both in a personal and businessenvironment.
(25:56):
So you talked aboutproductivity.
You've helped companies withtheir growth.
You've also helped executiveswithin your firm where you work,
do better, and I know we dokind of a casual once a month
breakfast and I kind of look atthat as almost a coaching thing.
So if I have ideas I can bouncethem off of you and you give me
feedback.
So, yeah, you've been a goodinspiration.
(26:18):
I know anything you put outthere is going to be useful.
So I'm looking forward toseeing more of that.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Thank you, I appreciate it, and thanks again
for um for what you've done,cause, like I said, you've been
an inspiration for us as well.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So at the uh, in the show notes, I'm going to include
links to all these things wetalked about the pod or the I'm
sorry, the, the blog posts yes,maybe the previous podcast, the
forms for both goal planning,the self-assessment.
I want to put a link in therefor your blog, david, and a link
(26:54):
which is common for us, toshare your LinkedIn profile.
So if what David is sayingresonates with you and you want
to keep up with what he's doing,I encourage you to connect with
him on LinkedIn and grow yournetwork and then maybe send us
some feedback, like, if you usethe forums the goal planning
(27:15):
forums, send maybe connect withDavid or myself or both and say
hey, listen, I've used theforums.
I have received some reallypositive feedback from PMs that
I shared that form.
I did a post last year I thinkit was early in the year
actually and I had a couple ofpeople reach out oh my God, I've
downloaded your forms and onesaid my husband and I are both
(27:35):
going through it.
We're going to follow thisthing.
Thank you so much.
There's useful data there andgoal planning is very important.
Amen.
Anything else you'd like to addto the end?
I know typically we do a.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Did you know and I?
I don't recall if you plannedon doing it.
Did you know?
I did not, but I can share one.
Um, I'll do, just because I'mfamiliar with this.
You are as well.
Uh, did you know?
So Walt and I are both in Tampa.
And did you know?
Tampa is the cigar capital ofthe world, produce more cigars
than any other city in the worldover the course of the last,
(28:15):
I'd say, I guess, 100, 200 years.
So that is something that a lotof people, even in the cigar
industry, don't really know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And that's interesting and it's great for
us because we're both cigarsmokers.
Yeah, ybor is a big cigar placehere in the Tampa area.
Yep, okay, that's a great.
Did you know?
I like it.
All right, we will continue tobring in interesting guests as
we move into 2025.
(28:44):
And I want to thank you, david,for coming on again, and we'll
see everyone else in the nextepisode of PM Mastery.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Thanks for listening to the PM Mastery podcast at
wwwpm-masterycom.
Be sure to subscribe in yourpodcast player Until next time.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Keep working on your craft.
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