Expelling Evil: A Look into Modern-Day Exorcisms

Are you curious—or perhaps a bit wary—of the "D word" (demons)? This episode dives into the fascinating and chilling world of exorcisms, the ritualistic practice of expelling supposed evil spirits. We explore the history of exorcisms, from ancient Mesopotamia to the modern-day Pacific Northwest! We discuss the three stages of possession—infestation, oppression, and possession—and how exorcists differentiate between paranormal activity and a mental heath crisis. And unpack how the fascinating (and sometimes absurd) elements of exorcisms, like blaming Ouija boards, drug use, or the oft-cited trope of "Native American burial grounds," play into possession stories.

This episode isn’t just about the sensational aspects of exorcisms—it balances spooky stories, thoughtful insights, and a touch of humor to explore humanity’s age-old battle with the evil. Whether you believe in demons or think it’s all in the mind, we hope this episode leaves you with chills and questions.

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Episode Transcript

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Maybe this demon does have a foot fetish.

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There's a lot of foot.
Yeah, I feel like it's foot fetish.
Or maybe it's a little like a really small demon and all it can reach is the feet.
That could be.
That could be.
I feel like it's more salacious if we think of it as a foot fetish demon.
Just like that I'm willing to entertain either.
I'm picturing it like when the Grinch slithers around the floor.

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Yes.
Yes.
A thousand percent.
A thousand percent.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, Cassie.
Hi, creepy people.
Hello.
If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW, Haunts and Homicides, where we

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chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all kinds of spooky creepy weird shit in the
Pacific Northwest that we do.
We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
into our topic for the day.
We do and occasionally forget to say PNW if you're nasty.

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I know.
I said it when I recorded with Cristina.
I was like, Oh, I have to do this because otherwise Cassie will be so old, mild.
I'm pale straight now.
PNW.
If you are nasty.
Yeah.
Um, it's my episode.
It is.
I know I was like, um, what?

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Which is why we're drinking blood.
My lights look like fire.
They do.
Yeah.
And I'm wearing this beautiful shirt.
"Satan loves you for who you are."
So true, right?
Cute.
So this recording actually got delayed because a little bit.
Someone likes to get sick a lot during the winter.

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I mean, back to back.
Yeah.
That was wild.
Me and system goes down and it's just all shit breaks loose.
But getting better, my lips are coming back online.
They were very chapped.
We've been talking about the nipple cream I have to use on my lips.
Yeah.
That's a new one for me.

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I got to say it took a lot of googling.
But apparently mama nursing nipple cream because their little ninnies get chapped from
the baby suckles or whatever happens.
I can only imagine.
Ouch.
Sorry, if that's ever happened to you.
Yeah.
Like deeply sorry.
But anyway, the nipple cream, it's made from like sheep fat or some shit.
Yeah.

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And it works like almost overnight.
It was crazy.
Yeah, I would imagine.
So if you're if you're having chappy lippy troubles, Lanolin cream, I think it's called
something like that.
Oh, okay.
That's right.
Anyway, the point of this conversation was we were supposed to do this episode.
We were going to do it remote because I was house sitting.
Yeah.
And I wouldn't have had all the stuff that I brought with me today because I just I don't

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know.
I wasn't thinking about it or I didn't want to like pack it all with me.
So I brought a bunch of fun stuff today.
And I don't know.
I'm kind of glad it got postponed a little bit.
It worked out.
Things worked out.
One of the things you can't really tell what it is, but you'll get to see it in the
alter later.
This is my Taylor Swift candle.

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I forget what are those called?
It's like a...
There's a name for that? Prayer candles.
I think something like that.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah.
So she's got a cross.
She's like kind of like mother Teresa style.
Is that what it is or Mary Mary?
That's a good thing.
Yeah, mother Mary or I mean, you know, mother's true.
Some of my bad.
I love one.
Yeah, turns out we probably wouldn't put her own one of those candles.

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I didn't know.
I know.
Yeah.
And I'm not super familiar with it.
So I wouldn't either.
I'm not even going to go there.
I heard it in passing and I was like, I don't want to know anymore.
Yeah, shut down.
Really ruining my day.
Oh, man.
Anyway, so what are we talking about today?
I don't know.

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This topic is something that's like always totally fascinated me.
But I don't necessarily believe in it.
Okay.
So I know some of you might and that's totally valid and totally fine and you maybe she's
maintaining healthy skepticism.
Okay.
It's just my personal.
Yeah.

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My personal shit.
And I'll kind of explain it kind of going through some of this stuff.
All right.
But if you're kind of spooked out by the D word demon, not dick.
Okay.
Some people.
Some people spooked out by dicks, which is valid.
That's yeah, also valid.
Yeah.
So if you want to listen, take whatever protective measures you want, you know, wrap it before

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you tap it.
Nobody if you want to have like protective crystals around you or just maybe set your intentions.
We'll set intentions right now.
Just in case nothing evil is allowed in this room.
Nothing is allowed to stay and fuck with us.
Don't touch her.
You can touch me all you want.

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But yeah, I think I need to go shopping.
What kind of crystal did you draw?
This is just the one that I keep on the desk because it's one of the poem stone style.
And it's small.
So it's easy for me to just have it within arm's reach.
So we're safe.
We're protected.
Nothing is allowed to bother us.

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Just on putting my foot down right now.
Okay.
And that's how it works.
That's how you do it.
All right.
You need to skip some of this stuff, you know, feel free.
Okay.
Go listen to another episode or wait for one of Caitlyn's because those aren't evil at all.
Yeah.
And then, you know, on the next one of mine, we'll talk about how, you know, putting

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your foot down famously is a great way to lose a foot.
I guess we'll see.
What?
I'm like, oh, putting your foot down.
That's like, those are straw, those are fighting words.
Did I pick up on some vibes?
I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm wearing my anti-possession bracelet.

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Well, it's my Supernatural bracelet with the little anti-possession charm.
It says jerk on it.
Brittany has the one that says bitch.
I love it.
And then I also have that tattooed on my body on my ribs.
So I can never be possessed by a demon.
Ouch.
I think Caitlyn, you need to get one.
And I think it would make you feel a lot safer.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
She doesn't have tattoos.
I didn't know.
Well, why are we talking about demons today?
Why did I bring up possession?
I don't know.
Probably the same reason you brought up needles.
I brought up needles.
Well tattoos...
Oh, okay.
I was like, needles.
Ew, I don't like those.

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Unless they're putting ink into my skin.
Yeah.
And then they're fine.
No, that sounds way better.
Well, today we're going to talk about exorcism.
Oh.
Oh, this is one of my no-no-button.
It's, you know, I think you'll feel a lot better about this when I finish.
Okay.
I think you will.
Yeah.

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Famously I always feel better after Cassie's episodes.
I don't know.
I feel like I try to talk about things in a logical way and I don't try to just scare the
poop out of people.
I try to.
Exactly.
I scare you and also give you valid things that also could be happening.
Yeah.
Exactly.
No.
I don't know if you're a fall.
It's, you know, just a natural state of being for me.

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I know.
I try to be gentle with you, but I just can't all the time.
We got to go down this exorcism path.
Exorcism escalator, if you will.
Oh.
So exorcism is the expulsion or attempted expulsion of a supposed evil spirit from a person,

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place or object.
Okay.
So we've talked about ways you can kind of clear out bad energy with smoke, crystals,
sound and words.
Like I just did.
I put my foot down and said, no, you can't.
Exorcisms are basically just in advanced form of cleansing in a very, like kind of cleansing
a very intense negative energy or a demon as it's thought of.

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Yeah.
Thinking about it that way makes it a little bit less intimidating.
Right?
That's what I thought.
Just like really cleansing the shit out of something, you know, clenching the life of
a god.
Study.com defines demon as quote, a supernatural being with often malevolent or evil intentions.

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They are usually described as trying to influence humans away from good and direct them towards
evil.
Oh, which is like we'll talk about it a little later, but what is evil?
You know, a lot of people's definition of evil is very different.
It's true, but I feel like for most of us, it's sort of like porn, you know, like they

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said in like, I think it was a congressional hearing.
You know it when you see it.
You know, evil when you see it.
Yeah.
Oh, I was like, porn's not evil unless it's the evil kind.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But you'll know it when you see it.
Maybe.
But really it definitely depends on who you are and what your beliefs are.
So.

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My definition of things that are evil or things that are good are other people's definition
of things that are evil.
So two things can be true.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe.
I don't know.
We'll see.
I have some fighting words for some people later on.
So the earliest known axiocisms took place in Mesopotamia.

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So literally since the beginning of civilization.
The cradle.
We've been trying to tell evil to get fucked.
Okay.
Wow.
When Christianity came around, anyone who believed anything different like paganism was
evil and therefore must be exercised.

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Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Not always the most open-minded of folk.
No.
So like paganism, they're just minding their own business or I mean, pagans were just
minding their own business and all of a sudden this new religion comes around and they're
being told that they are evil now.
So who's definition of evil is right?

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Hard to say.
I feel like when you're the new guy on the block though, probably don't go and knock on
your neighbor's doors and be like, you're evil.
You know, you're supposed to like bring over a magic cookies or something.
That's a nice thing to do that.
They just try to steal it all for themselves and wipe it all clean.

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Yeah.
Not a strong strategy.
I feel like it worked.
It worked.
It worked for the time and it worked for a long time, but it's coming back and it's going
to bite you guys in the ass.
Karma.
Now I see why T-Swift is here.
Karma.
Yeah.
I love that song.
We should start playing it.
I'm putting it all together, you guys.

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It just all connects.
That wasn't even purposeful, you know?
Even last minute, just was scanning my room for anything else to bring and my eyes landed
on the T-Swift.
Keep prayer candle and I was like, holy shit, that's perfect.
Literally holy shit.
Yeah.
That's perfect.
Listen, if anybody was going to give me an exorcism, if Taylor Swift was involved, I

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do think I would feel better than not.
Taylor, please exercise my demons.
Yeah.
So that's like a line from one of our newer songs.
All right.
She might be an exorcist.
You might be on to some shit, you guys.
How all right?
Maybe we need to make some tin foil hat.
What is it on our vigilante shit?
Oh, yeah.
All right, we'll keep going.

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The rituals typically performed by trained professionals of an organized religion.
And I'm sure most of us think like Christian or Catholic, but many other religions utilize
this practice as well.
Like Bishop Cloud, who used to live in Medford, Oregon of the time I was researching this or

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reading the research for this.
I don't know if he still lives there or not.
Okay.
Who has been an exorcist for over 20 years?
Okay.
He started as a priest with the Anglican Church, which is a branch of Christianity for 10
years before being kicked out for carrying out exorcisms without permission from the church.

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Yeah.
They do want you to ask permission, but they will typically say no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like very uncommon to actually go through with all of this.
Yes.
Yeah.
I hear they basically say no to everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Unless they don't.
And they nail people to floors and watch them bleed out.
That's fine.
We're not going to go totally deep down on the really, really bad exorcisms.

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We're not going there today.
But I just touched on it.
That's what happened.
I don't like it.
This is pretty tame.
Okay.
Now, he's joined up with the old Catholics who are actually not a part of the Roman Catholic
Church.
Oh.
Yeah.
Cloud is now an archbishop for Advent International's Order of Exorcists and an affiliated

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member of the Sacred Order of St. Michael and the Archangels Order of Exorcists.
A lot of words.
It's a lot of a lot of things, which none of them are actually associated with, you know,
the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church.
Like as we think of it.
Exactly.
Yeah.

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It's like its own.
The Pope's like nah.
It's still like an organized religion.
It's just separate.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Exactly.
The Pope was like nah.
No.
So here is someone who is part of an organized religion, but not an official member of the
big official, I said official a bunch of times.
I called it the big official Catholic Papa Bear.

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Papa Bear?
I mean, it's Pope-a bear.
Yeah.
It's like part of like the same umbrella, but it's like almost like when you look at a family
tree and like you have your mom's side, your dad's side, like they're over there, you
know, and the Pope's over here.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And he's like, I don't know who you are.
I don't know.

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I don't know her.
I'm a fuck with that.
Yeah.
But Cloud believes his life's calling is relieving people from torment of demonic possession.
I mean, I guess it's crazy job.
Somebody's got to do it, maybe.
Yeah.
I guess.
I don't know.
I guess it's what he's really called to.
Okay.

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And he is extremely serious about his work saying quote, I am here to kick ass and take
names.
I am there as a soldier.
I am going into battle.
Okay.
So he's he really believes he's he's on it.
And he thinks he's helping people.
Which is on one, you know, that's a good thing.
Yeah.

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Maybe he does not charge for the service, thankfully.
So at least there is this thing where he doesn't charge for it.
He is just trying to help you.
Usually with stuff like this, I've heard it's like donation based.
Oh, almost like, you know, you don't have to tip your waiter, but everybody knows you
should.

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But I don't know.
I don't either.
Nothing about that uses tips.
Maybe nothing was mentioned in any of the stuff I research.
So I really couldn't answer that question for you.
But he was set down this path.
Perhaps his young is four when he started to see shadow people.
Whoa.
So he's been seeing shit since he was little.

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So that makes sense that if you have seen things that you aren't sure about or that
you think are paranormal, supernatural, that you might be set down this path.
Yeah.
Especially if you think it's evil.
Definitely.
Have I ever told you the story about when I saw someone?
What?

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What are you talking about when I was like a little kid?
You did?
Yes.
Okay.
So I was listening to, ‘And That's Why We Drink' the other day.
And Christine was talking about how Leona, her daughter, I think, is like three now.
And she turned to her and she had been like sitting there at the table coloring.

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And Christine was like, I don't know, just doing something around the house.
And Leona says, where is that lady going?
Never have kids.
And she was like, I thought maybe she was seeing something else.
I was misunderstanding how she had phrased the question.
I thought she had said, where is that lady coming from?

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Or something?
And maybe she couldn't quite articulate what she was trying to ask.
But no, her daughter was like, oh yeah.
Like she's the wife.
It's like my friend.
That's his wife.
And she was like your friend.
So she goes into a whole thing where she was basically saying, okay, well, you guys can

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be friends.
But if he ever makes you unhappy, it's okay to tell him and you need to tell me, and just
basically walking her child, just trying not to traumatize her.
By being like, oh, that's not real.
Or you know, you know, you know, you know, validating basically.

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Because that's a big thing.
Either like being too scared, like making it a scary thing or making it just like invalid.
Exactly.
And she's too young probably to understand.
And Christine was talking about how she, I think it was a medium friend of hers that said,
oh, she's not really like awake yet.
She doesn't really realize what, like some of what she's seeing or whatever, but like she

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will in like a few years or something.
And I was like, oh my god.
And it reminded me of this time where at our apartment, I had a little like loft bedroom
and my brother had his room downstairs next to my parents room.
And I remember looking over at my mom and I was like, mom, who's that guy?

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And she, she freaked because she was like, what guy?
Because she saw me like looking down the hallway towards my brother's room.
Oh.
Going, who's that guy?
Oh, my god.
And she was like, what guy?
And I described I was like, well, he was wearing, I think it was a red shirt and blue shorts.

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Like I still have like a vestige of a visual memory of seeing this.
And she was like, of course, she like goes and checks and she's like, there's no one here.
Like, did you see someone outside?
Or, you know what I mean?
Wow.
That's really, really.

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It freaked me out to remember that because I haven't thought about that in a long time.
Geez.
Hold on on us.
You got a spooky story all along.
Anna.
Yeah.
No, I was like, I honestly, when I thought about it the other day, I was like, oh, I should
tell Cassie about that and like, talk about how I remembered that.

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Yeah.
Oh, I'm sure I've already told her this story.
I don't think so.
Oh, positive.
He's almost said nothing.
Like at all.
I was like, oh, no, I've totally told her this story.
You didn't.
I don't know that I know of anyway unless I forgot.
But it's like it was the first time I was hearing it.
I'm squeezing.
I forgot to bring.

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I have this little squish ball.
This is Rebecca.
She's a double like being called Becca, by the way.
She's not Becca.
It's Rebecca.
Okay.
Rebecca.
Okay.
Okay.
He saw shadow people.
Okay.
So that kind of set the creepy shit that cloud saw as a child kind of set him down this exorcism

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path.
But that's not his only path.
Okay.
Cloud is also a therapist and drug and alcohol counselor.
So he feels like this helps him be able to see the difference between a possession by something
evil or a drug or mental health crisis.
Interesting.
I could see that.

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Now I have a whole other host of concerns though.
Me too.
Okay.
Great.
Great.
Glad we're on the same page with that.
But I think that it is kind of a good thing to have that background to be able to kind of
assess the situation.
Openness maybe, but it's concerning.

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I have.
Okay.
I'm not.
I'm going to let you finish.
Why is it concerning to you?
Um, just because I do think that somebody like who is administering for all intents and
purposes mental health or, um, you know, I don't know what his certification specifically
is, but like that is could very, very well be like truly medical care to to some degree.

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It's concerning that like that might potentially be tied in.
I just think about the consequences of somebody who thinks they've diagnosed, um, one thing
when it might might be utterly unrelated.
I don't know.
I'm spiraling hair.
I don't know.

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I don't.
Obviously, I don't know his circumstances and like what he does in his job or whatever.
I was kind of under the impression that he has a stage job and it's totally stopped.
And he doesn't try to like talk to those people about getting exercise.
Like people come to his website and contact him for exorcism.

(22:11):
Yeah.
And then he kind of uses the therapy and drug and alcohol counseling to those are like
assess that situation.
Yeah.
They're like, I'm part metalized.
I assume that's my that's my concern.
Yes.
Hopefully those are very compartmentalized because that.
Yeah.
That has the potential to create a lot of a lot of trauma.

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Yeah.
And specifically like, you know, for people that maybe already have religious trauma.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So I mean, who I on I certainly don't know for sure.
And I'm not like advocating for this dude or whatever.
I mean, you'll see as we go along here.
But yeah, I don't know.
Hopefully that's not the case because I can't imagine he would be like keeping a job.

(22:58):
Yeah.
And that's what's happening.
So one would help.
Obviously a big sign that something is paranormal is that if other people are witnessing
and experiencing the same kind of like weird things you are.
Right.
Like that we talked about it before the corroboration.
Yeah.

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corroboration.
Yeah.
So that's kind of one of the things he looks for as well as he tries to see if anyone else
in the house or anyone else around this person is also experiencing.
Yeah.
Shit.
I think in any instance where I've heard about like an exorcism or a paranormal investigation,

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anybody that is generally respected in their, you know, respective field, they kind of
approach it very much in the same manner that a scientist would.
It's kind of that scientific method.
Right.
Yeah.
At least they're not, they're, they're trying.
They're not like fully just like your possess straight away.

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Right.
I feel like you have to explore the possibility of, I mean, we talk about it with true crime
investigations.
Yeah.
You can't assume and try to make evidence fit.
Exactly.
You have to be open to this could be anything, you know, to some degree, particularly mental
health.
Yeah.
What would one experience during a possession situation?

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You wonder.
I know.
I don't.
Well, this is probably going to sound a little familiar to some of you because it's in
like all the movies.
So.
Okay.
And this is something that Cloud said in this interview.
So these are from him too.
Okay.
Number one is infestation.

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It feels like a standard haunting.
You might feel cold spots in your house here mildly alarming things like knocking or scratching
or footsteps or voices.
You might see an apparition smell random smells like one of the things is sulfur.
Right.
Right.

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The diamon.
If no known origin or cause, it's not like a gas leak or something.
Please make sure if you're selling sulfur that you look for your gas leak.
You really have to explore like all of those like physical and verifiable possibilities.
Yep.
We'll keep drilling that in.
Yes.

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You also might witness objects moving on their own.
Just typical haunting stuff.
So typical.
So typical.
Number two is oppression where things start to get a little more intense with sleep problems,
nightmares, illness, anxiety, anger or depression.

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Oh, so this kind of just like happens.
I feel like if your house is haunted like obviously you're going to be stressed out with
this.
It feels like it's just very intense feelings with pretty much no cause.
I guess other than the weird haunting shit you're experiencing.
Right.
Everybody's like, I don't get why you're so sad.

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Illness too is a big one just like being ill for no reason.
Well, I think especially if you are having issues with sleep and stress, definitely like
that just takes such a toll on your immune system.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Yeah.
I feel like it all just goes together too.
Just becomes kind of a vicious cycle.
I would think.

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And it might also start to affect your relationships and your work.
Your things in your life.
So yeah, it starts to suck.
And then number three is finally the possession stage where I feel like it's not exactly
like it is in the movies.
It's not this crazy like demon who's like speaking through you and yeah, like different

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voices are coming out and you're like breaking bones and walking backwards.
Everybody can tell if something that dramatic.
Yeah.
I feel like he says it's very rare for it to even get to the possession phase.
I would think so.
I feel like just the crazy movie possession phase isn't really like a super real real thing.

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That makes sense.
Yeah.
Things might have happened a couple of times in the past where you know, he knows if it was
real or not.
If it was just someone going through a mental health crisis and having an exact exacerbated
exacerbated.
Is that a raided?
Yeah.
Is that a raided?
Is that a sad?
I know words.

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I'm drinking the split pea soup from the exorcism.
That little girl throws up out of her mouth.
Gross.
I'm not a fan.
It's actually matcha.
It's delicious.
Yeah.
Matcha is okay.
Vomited split pea soup.
I can't know.
I love split pea soup.

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I was literally just thinking about it the other day that I wanted some.
It was probably while I was writing this and I was like, it was split pea soup sounds
great.
Yeah.
But now that you've described it as like that scene from the exorcist.
It's calm.
Yeah.
Basically.
Yeah.
No, thank you.
Also in all of the articles and things I found about Cloud, they just refer to him as

(28:21):
Bishop.
Even though it said earlier, he was an archbishop.
But everything's just called him Bishop Cloud.
I'm not really sure.
I don't know religious things.
And yeah, I mean, the nomenclature is, I don't, I'm just not familiar enough to be anything
but dangerous.
I mean either.
So I'll just refer to him as Bishop Cloud.
I'm not trying to be like disrespectful.

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That's just what they refer to him as in all of the things.
So yeah, I feel like if that's how he's typically referred to anything you find.
I mean, also, I think it's cool.
It's cool.
He's called Cloud because I'm like heaven.
Cloud.
You think you like the clouds.
It does feel like a little bit.
It's like a little crunchy.
Yeah.
It's a little woo-woo.
Yeah.

(29:03):
Bishop Cloud.
Bishop Cloud.
So during Bishop Cloud's exorcisms, one to three times a month, which I feel like that seems
like a lot.
It's kind of a lot, right?
Yeah, I thought he said these words not common.
Well, no.
Like it's not common to get to like the possession phase.

(29:25):
I know.
But you have to be in the possession phase, right?
No.
No, you don't have to.
You can have an exorcism even if you're not possessed.
Yeah, because you're trying to get ahead of it, right?
You're trying to, it's basically cleansing.
Okay.
Okay.
Just like an extreme form.
So you can do it if a possession is starting, I guess, at any phase of a, yeah, I don't

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know.
That's interesting.
This entry is full blown.
It's probably better to get it "nip it in the butt."
As I like to say.
Which always just makes me picture someone being bitten in the butt.
I like to bite booty, booty, booty.
So he normally has to be quite forceful with the evil entities, but some put up way more

(30:09):
of a fight than others.
So some, he says like some of them, he just has to be like really forceful with, and that's
like with his words with his prayer.
He doesn't ever like tie people up and like do the crazy, the crazy stuff, you know?
Yeah.
So it's full with his like words and his gotcha.

(30:30):
What do I try to say?
His like conviction.
Yeah.
I mean, it's his demeanor.
Yeah.
I feel like his mannerisms.
Yeah.
Going to war with his words.
Yeah.
In 2018, author Santi of 'An Excellent Day for an Exorcism' on PortlandMercury.com went with
Bishop Cloud to witness his work in the Bethany area outside of Portland.

(30:55):
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right.
Right.
When was this?
2018.
Okay.
A man known as Stan, which I don't think that's his real name.
I think they made a name for the article.
Felt an overall uneasy presence inside his home and was having what sounds like sleep paralysis
attacks.
No.

(31:15):
Yeah.
He'd feel like he was being held down, but couldn't see what was doing it.
He was also being unconcentrally touched, was like, don't do that.
No, demons.

(31:36):
You have my consent.
Come touch.
Oh my God.
I really hate that.
I really, really hate that.
He was experiencing something unseen, pulling his hair or sometimes, gnawing on his feet.
No.
Which totally reminds me of the movie Talk to Me.

(31:57):
There you haven't seen it.
It's a possession movie.
Oh, okay.
I was like, this doesn't sound familiar.
I do have a clip.
No, thank you.
You don't want to see the clip?
I feel like I'm good.
There's a foot, but second, nine foot, fetish demon.
Like a nine foot fetish demon.
Yeah.
It was like a creepy old lady.

(32:18):
I will link the video and I, it's, I'll put the timestamp of where it starts.
If anyone is curious, it's a really good movie though.
Talk to me.
My friend, Katelyn, and I watched it.
Not this Caitlyn.
Oh, yeah.
Different Katelyn.
I always do that every time because your names are spelled different.
So you're different.

(32:38):
Yeah, completely different name.
Totally different people.
But for real, so you guys know.
Yeah.
So God, knowing on it.
I don't like that.
I am not.
No, you're like having sleep paralysis too.
That's just awful.
Poor Stan.
One night, Stan was feeling something grabbing and clawing at his toes.

(33:02):
And all of a sudden, I had a terrifying vision and horrifying, intrusive thoughts.
He didn't give the details about any of this.
I assume because they were really disturbing to him.
I don't think he wanted to really talk about it.
Which - same girl.
Maybe trigger warning here.

(33:23):
I had a really terrible intrusive thought recently.
So if you're kind of squeamish about sharp objects, maybe skip four.
But you have to hear this.
I think I already told you this.
I had the worst intrusive thought the other night.
It was probably a month ago.
And I was just laying in bed trying to sleep, just minding my own business, just clearing

(33:46):
your mind, and just relaxing.
And all of a sudden, I was like, what if I bit into a razor that was hidden in my food?
And I felt it in my mouth, like going to the roof of my mouth.
Why?
I know exactly why.
Why?
Because of the myth of the razor blades in candy and apples.

(34:10):
Yeah, but why would that all of a sudden randomly pop into my brain in the middle of
the night when I was just, I wasn't thinking about anything.
I was really peacefully just trying to sleep.
And then that popped into my head.
I know normally you like your matcha, but that is anxiety.
It is.
I mean, it matches tea.

(34:30):
Some say it.
But yeah, so like intrusive thoughts are a thing.
And I don't think I'm being possessed.
I don't know, maybe I am.
Do you guys think I'm possessed right now?
I tend to think no, but yeah, I mean, I don't know what kind of.
Thoughts he was having, probably, I don't know, self-harm is pretty typical.

(34:50):
Well, where they thought or because it makes us, I don't know, I'm getting like kind of
two different pictures where it's like, is this something that he was sort of visualizing
as like actually happening as he was experiencing sleep paralysis?
Or does it sound more like this is just an intrusive thought that he had when he had sleep

(35:16):
paralysis?
Those were different.
So I don't think he was having sleep paralysis at this point.
Maybe he was.
So it's just kind of two horrifying things that are running in tandem.
They're not necessarily happening in the same moment.
Maybe he was having sleep paralysis because it did say he was feeling things like grabbing
and clawing at his toes and then had a vision and a horrible thought.

(35:41):
I don't think he was like, yeah, he wasn't like seeing what was happening to him.
I think it was something else either like self-harm, maybe harming his family, harming
other people.
I don't know because that's pretty common.
I actually kind of think that's worse.
It's so bad.
It's kind of scary.
Yeah.
I would be really scared if I was having thoughts like that.

(36:01):
I mean, I've had like self-harm thoughts and.
I feel like sometimes your brain just goes like, hey, one, five, let me think about a razor
blade.
But for why?
What if I hit razor blades and all my family's food and watch them bite it?
Yeah, just really terrifying.
Very horrible.
And you do feel like where did that come from?

(36:25):
And you could be scared like maybe that you would act something out and not have control
over it.
That would be really scary.
I feel really bad for Stan.
Yeah.
I feel like this is scary stuff.
Anyway, so apparently these disturbing and trusive visions and thoughts cause Stan to
seek help from the church.
He was turned down by all of the other places that he went to.

(36:46):
I don't really know.
I don't really know exactly where he went, but he was turned down until Bishop Cloud said,
not today, Satan, probably literally just like that.
Because we rose all day.
Jesus blood all day.
Dude, this is the blood of Christ.

(37:07):
The power of Christ compels you.
What is that called?
The sacraments?
Communion.
Is that the same thing?
Yeah, I think that's the holy sacraments.
We need the body.
We need some bread up in this bitch.
You got some garlic bread?
I have breads that could be made garlicy.
Oh, I do have those garlic boats.
Let's eat garlic Jesus.
Listen.

(37:29):
I don't know who's making who better, but that's a winning combo.
I think so.
Yeah.
We should alert the pagans for Jesus club.
Oh, okay.
Is that a thing?
Yeah.
Don't you remember?
That was from when we did an episode with Matt and Andrea.
Oh, they didn't just bring make that up.

(37:51):
Andrea.
No, that was like when we were recording and they were talking about how they grew up
very religious and they're both obviously super witchy.
And we were like, oh, it just like I don't know.
Pagans for Jesus.
They're from.
Am I Right, witches.
Yes, which which which which I love.

(38:11):
Yeah.
Um, okay.
I got distracted by Jesus.
So they're going to Stan's house to do this exorcism.
And Bishop Cloud starts by walking through the house and assessing the situation.
Alrighty.
Ask in the stitch, if you will.

(38:33):
Sorry.
I didn't even write that down.
I just came out of my head.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I see how you got there.
So we asked in the fog out of this stitch.
Yeah.
I'm like in the movies, the supposed demon reveals his name pretty fast.
Oh, that's like one of the big things for exorcisms to work as like you need to know to

(38:57):
know their name.
Their name.
I was going to say that's like there's something about that.
Right.
I was like, it's deep in the lore.
I can't bring it to the forefront in my mind, but I know the name is important.
Yeah.
I think just so you can tell it to leave like instead of saying, hey, you get out of
here.
You say, hey, get out of here.
So he's just asking out loud.

(39:18):
Actually, he's kind of more like demanding the demon tell him his name, tell him its name.
I don't know.
The demons probably don't have a gender or whatever.
Yeah.
So at first it says Zozo, which is a demon that is pretty much everybody knows and it comes
up a lot in Ouija board stories.

(39:39):
Okay.
I was going to say, I feel like I've heard of this.
Yeah.
I feel like it’s either Zozo or Zuzu.
Yeah.
The Z's man.
But he immediately sees through this deception and the demon is like, all right, you caught
me.
I'm Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.

(40:00):
How's this spelled?
J-A-R-I-E-L.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Jariel.
Yeah.
One of those.
Now, Cloud says this is an angel name because it ends in E L.
Okay.
Like, he says all angels end in E L, which is, that's not like entirely true, but a lot of

(40:20):
them do.
Give you that many options, either.
That really, that really like narrows the naming pool.
There's a pretty, there's a pretty decent amount of angels that end in E L, but there's also
a lot that don't want off the top of my head, Lucifer, who was an angel.

(40:41):
Yeah.
Didn't end in E L.
Wait, did they make him change his name?
That's what I thought, but Google said no.
No.
Okay.
I was going to say, I think he was always Lucifer.
Yeah.
Just to see, you know, that there are angels that don't end in E L, but I guess it's if you're
in this situation and a demon is telling you, I'm Jariel or Jariel, you might just, like,

(41:04):
maybe this is an angel because it does end in E L and that's pretty typical.
Okay.
I didn't search for this name in a bunch of lists of the angels and I didn't find it anywhere
in any of the lists and okay.
So he's just boldly stating that based on the spell.
I mean, it could be an unlisted, yeah, it could be an unlisted angel.
I don't know.
Maybe he's an unlisted.

(41:24):
He's not in the yellow pages.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Toads, but I did find the name and its origins are Hebrew and or Spanish.
It means God's strength or God's sees.
Seas as in like the ocean.
Like Sees candy.
Like sees with your eyes.
I was going to say I feel like it's important to clarify.
I don't know.

(41:46):
Maybe there are people that aren't familiar with Sees candies, but sees as in like he sees.
So my first thought after looking this up and I'm like, that sounds like a demon like taunting
you.
Like because you're trying to use like God's strength to get it out.
Yeah.
You're trying to like see who it is through, you know, your prayers and all your God's
stuff.

(42:06):
It sounds like a taunt to me.
Like why would he just immediately believe the second name he was given?
Yeah.
That seems odd.
Yeah.
I feel like that's a little too trusting.
Like, oh, I mean, I'm just an angel.
I'm not a demon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
You got me.
I'm actually in danger.
Right.
So I just like really got into this demon's head and just like wanted to figure out, figure

(42:30):
this out for whatever reason.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Maybe there's like this rule.
I don't know about where demons can't lie twice in a row.
I don't know.
Oh, or like third time's the charm.
Maybe twice and then third time he tells you his real name.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Bishop didn't know that.
So he didn't ask the third time.
Did I ask the third time?
I don't know.
I don't know if he did as far as what I read.

(42:50):
It sounded like he just believed it was.
Okay.
Jariol was his name.
Super trusting of the guy.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's not the move I'd make, but whatever.
Next, "Cloudy the Bish," he moves on to the backyard.
All right.
And you'll never guess what he finds in the backyard.

(43:14):
Lots of spiders?
I mean, probably.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
We could probably, let's try it.
Let's see it all together on the count of three.
One, two, three.
Native American burial ground.
Oh, yeah.
That makes total sense.
I was just so worried about the spiders.
That was really all I could think about.

(43:35):
Did the demons spiders?
Oh, God.
Okay.
New feral locked.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Great.
But like, which at this point, this is so overdone and it literally gets mentioned.
I feel like in everything.
Yeah.
But he says he does see the operation of an indigenous woman.
Okay.

(43:55):
I don't know how that translates into this as an burial ground.
But who knows?
That's interesting.
I could have just lived there or find any artifacts or like as something else in his vision
that indicates that.
I guess just a feeling or maybe.
I mean, listen, it's stereotype.

(44:17):
It is completely plausible that there are that many and more indigenous people that are
a little bit pissed off about, you know, right?
Yeah.
I have a whole thing on this.
What did they call it?
Like the white crotch or something where we basically just started to like take over.

(44:38):
Like, Lucas.
Everything.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm also guilty of it sometimes too.
Like I like to look into the history of the land and obviously it does always go back
to the people who lived here before.
Yeah.
And I can totally see both sides.
Like if you're feeling really guilty about the past and you think you're desecrating
these sacred grounds.

(44:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's reasonable to think that something would be pissed off from the beyond.
Right.
Or maybe less or left some sort of energy behind.
Let's try to protect the land.
Kind of like we saw in like the crater lake with the old man.
Like we think it's kind of like a protective spirit.
Yeah.
But like if you don't have any verification of that, then that seems where you tokenize.

(45:22):
Yeah.
You just mentioned it.
Like, hey, this is probably a thing.
Yeah.
It's also harmful to always be associating Native American or indigenous people with evil.
Right.
Right.
That's exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's like the first, it's like the first couple of things that pop in your head as

(45:43):
like a possible reason.
And he might have totally picked up on the energy of like the woman who might have lived
there way before stand.
But that doesn't mean she or any of the people are causing this.
These possessions are doing anything evil.
Yeah.
I feel like maybe we just don't assume that the white guy of a completely different, I

(46:08):
mean, obviously a different ethnic and social, cultural and religious background that like
he knows.
Yeah.
Maybe maybe we ask for like a second opinion.
Yeah.
Because I mean, they're coming to get, they're coming to get the demons.
Oh, you got to call demon busters.

(46:29):
I'm one one.
Please call me.
I don't call this a plan of maybe she is there like trying to help or being like protective
overstand or something.
But I guess I don't know.
It also comes down to feeling too.
So I guess if he was having a feeling about it.
Yeah.
That's hard.
It's hard to say that someone is right or wrong.

(46:50):
So I'm trying to just see both sides of it and explain why it's kind of harmful to always
talk about that.
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like the difference is if there's actually any basis in fact, or are we just
assuming if you're finding artifacts, if you're digging up bones like, okay, yeah, maybe

(47:11):
that could start up some shit.
But I guess I don't know.
Maybe have we learned nothing from blindly trusting white men of a certain age?
Apparently not.
Apparently not.
I'm just saying like be open to a different idea.
Yeah.
Please.
Well, as we go on, we have one more possible source for all of this.

(47:32):
Stance daughter.
Da, da, da, da.
Blame it on the woman.
Is it like an inheritance situation though?
Because then I feel like they really buried the lead.
Inheritance.
Yeah, like is she trying to kill him?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Not like that.
Okay.
I don't think she's the problem at all, but we'll go through why they think maybe.

(47:55):
Are you sure?
A woman.
A woman's got to be evil.
She apparently had some high school parties in the home with some Ouija board action.
Oh, yeah, totally her fault.
So, so her fault.
Yeah, did she also smoke the devil's ligious?
Oh, it's funny.
I mentioned that the bishop thinks that it's definitely a doorway.

(48:17):
The Ouija board is definitely a doorway and highly likely to let the evil in.
Another thing he thinks lets the evil in is and he just boldly assumes that this was at
this high school party.
Drugs.
Great.
Yes.
Which he calls sorcery.
What kind of sorcery is this?

(48:38):
Like that just makes it sound cooler, My dude.
Honestly, honestly, I feel like you're not understanding the actual versus intended.
Right.
Yeah.
Of course, if you're in high school, if you're at a party doing a Ouija board, that must
mean you're on drugs.
Ouija board and weed.

(48:59):
Yeah, totally.
It all just goes together.
There was no questioning it.
It was just assumed it sounded like.
All right.
Cool.
This means now since Stan's daughter deblled, she would have to renounce all occult practices.
And if she doesn't, it will probably just come back.
The exorcism won't work.

(49:20):
All right.
So we're putting it all on the not little girl she's, I think in college, but like an adult
as a woman.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's all on her now.
So we don't ever have to worry about him hearing this episode and having thoughts or
feelings about it because I mean, clearly they'd have to swear off, you know, a podcast

(49:42):
where they would be tarot cards.
Oh, yo, we'll get there.
We will get there.
Oh my God.
So I have a picture.
I'm going to just air drop T wrong quack.
Wrong quack.
This is cloud going around the house with his giant "Christ on a cross."
Okay.
And he does this "in the name of Jesus" stuff while he's smoke cleansing, using the rosary

(50:08):
beads and consecrated oils.
I also have to read you this quote about his crucifix that you're looking at right now.
Yeah.
Yep.
So this is the quote of why he has this particular really, really big crucifix that wouldn't even
fit in Caitlyn's hand.
No, it wouldn't.

(50:28):
So "because I'm a hefty boy and I like a little heftiness, I like to get it on."
Okay.
Yeah.
So that quote makes a lot more sense now that I've seen him.
He looks pretty much exactly like what I was the picture I was building in my mind.

(50:51):
And my hair matches his shirt.
That's why I dyed my hair today.
A little bit.
A little bit.
A little bit.
A little bit.
A little bit.
A little bit.
I'm not going to lie.
God.
I'm a hefty boy.
I need a hefty “Christ on a cross."
Okay.
Okay.
Not sure why we're talking about that, but then, you know, here we are.

(51:27):
I feel like he just thinks it just like gives him more power in his conviction or whatever.
Yeah.
No, I mean, he's canaling.
Carry a big stick.
Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.
It's to get all the big demons out.
All the better to get the demons out.
Really the only action from this exorcism is the bishop felt his foot get grabbed at one

(51:51):
point.
So there's a lot of like maybe this demon does have a foot fetish.
There's a lot of like foot.
Yeah.
I feel like it's foot fetish.
Or maybe like a little like a really small demon and all it can reach is the feet.
That could be.
That could be.
I feel like it's more salacious if we think of it as a foot fetish demon.
Just like that.

(52:11):
I'm willing to entertain either.
I'm picturing it like when the Grinch like slithers around the floor.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
A thousand percent.
A thousand percent.
Oh, and the other action actionable thing that happened was Bishop Cloud got a little
possessed himself by the Lord speaking in tongues.

(52:34):
Well I don't understand.
I guess because you're being possessed by the Lord.
It's okay.
I don't understand the difference.
I really don't.
I think I have never and probably will never understand the the speaking in tongues.
Me anything.
It's scary to witness.
I've witnessed it.
Yeah.
So like if it if the Lord let's entertain this for a moment.

(52:57):
If the Lord was going to possess you, he knows allegedly all of the words.
Right.
He might even have all of the best words and he sends out of your mouth.
I guess so.
Is it the Lord possessing you?
Is that why it happens?
I really don't know.
I was kind of just like pulling that on on my butt.

(53:19):
Oh, that sounds right.
It sounds right to me.
You can Google it.
Okay.
I don't know that it necessarily outright says that I would think that's one interpretation.
Okay.
That you're being possessed.
So I'm not totally off.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
So speaking in tongues also known as Glossolalia is a practice where someone others speech

(53:46):
like sounds.
Take that in for a moment.
Speech like sounds.
So this is all toddlers.
Okay.
Or words that are believed to be a language unknown to the speaker.
It is a spiritual gift that some Christians believe is given by the Holy Spirit.
All right.

(54:06):
I don't know.
I'm not trying to yuck anybody's yom.
No.
That one's not mine.
It's nope.
If it's your yom and you've made it this far and you're listening to us, then that
means your mind is pretty open and cool.
I feel like we are too.
So if you want to explain it to us, I would love that.
Yeah.

(54:27):
We have an email, [e-mail].
Yeah.
Types will email.
And I mean, I grew up religious and I feel like, you know, I've had experiences that have
given me a sense of, you know, having faith, maybe not in the form of fashion that a traditional
religion probably sort of dictates, but, you know, I think it's a tool.

(54:51):
I think so too.
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I think so too.
Yeah.

(55:12):
I've gotten a church too.
feel stuff. But yeah. It just wasn't for me. Yeah. And I mean, as a kid, I've attended, you know,
different churches and in different places over time. There is a difference in the energy too, so,
I do feel like there are plenty of people who probably don't experience a religious atmosphere,

(55:35):
or, you know, event in the same way that, you know, somebody else might. Yeah. They don't,
they just have had a totally different experience because of, you know, who they're surrounded by. Yeah.
Hopefully, really awesome cool hope so. Yeah. I don't know. That's not always the case. Yeah.
What are you gonna do? Yeah. We're all different. We all believe different things. I'm not here to

(55:58):
tell you that you're wrong and try to get you on my side other than tell you what I think. And
if it resonates with you, cool, if it doesn't, cool. I don't think there's an issue with, I mean,
really almost any spiritual belief until it becomes what I have to impose this on anybody. Exactly.
You know, if this starts to impact anybody else's safety, mental health, general physical well-being,

(56:26):
whatever the case may be, that's when it becomes an issue for me. If you're trying to tell me,
I'm evil for the things that I do that I don't think are evil. Yeah. Red. So speaks in tongues,
he gets a little touched. But at the end, now he's got his big old meaty mitts on Stan's head
and he renounces all of the occult fun. Okay. And that's it. We don't really, I don't really know if it

(56:55):
worked for Stan probably not because I highly doubt his daughter. I don't know. I mean, I don't know
his daughter. Maybe she did come home and renounce all of the evil stuff. Yeah. I don't know if it worked
or not. That's how it went down. This is Bishop Cloud site. It is paranormal research investigators

(57:15):
of St. Michael and it's called prism. There's a quote on his site, we will never use Ouija, tarot,
shamanism, crystals, wica, or any other occult practice. These are just some of the many ways in which
the enemy gains a foothold in a person's life and then expands its domain into their relationship

(57:35):
finances and spiritual life finances. Yeah. That's an interesting assertion given us. So, wow.
That was one of the things is like if you're being in that oppression stage, like it can affect
you like going to work and stuff. So I think that's like kind of part of it. Oh, see, I'm looking bigger

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than that because I'm like, Oh, interesting, you know, financial like having a 501c3 or other exemption
for tax purposes, giving a certain percentage of your income. Right. And I don't know if they do
that at his church. I have no idea. It's kind of a big church thing. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. But like

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reading this list, I'm like, where fucked? Also, they're scared of rocks from the earth,
bringing demons. Listen, they're rocks. These are the same people that I feel like are saying
God made dirt, dirt won't hurt. God made rocks. What's wrong with the rocks? The rocks did nothing
to you. Yeah. He's using this cross, which is metal, right? Which is like, is that like a rock?

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I don't know. I mean, metals like from the earth, right? Right. I mean, it's like a mineral or whatever.
I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they're they're forged from, you know, different elements that are found
present in, I mean, a number of different ways like it, whether it's in soil or it's
mind from other like rock sources or. But you're using that as like a symbol of protection or whatever.

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That's the same thing we do with crystals. If you're he's smoke cleansing.
Where do you think that came from? Definitely not the pagans and like all of the other indigenous cultures.
Like, yeah, it seems like throughout time, throughout history and cultural practices. There is a very

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strong current of like certain things, elements, our view as like in a very similar way. So all of us
humans independently on totally separate corners of this earth have decided that like this smoke
stuff, we can like, it does something like. Yeah, it obviously does because we all the well, not all of us,

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but a lot of us believe that it does. It's just, but no, you're right. This one way that some people
choose to use the smoke. That's bad. Yeah. But theirs is like totally fine. Yours is fine though.
And yeah, I don't it just see. You just don't understand. So now like I said before, I don't, I really

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don't want to make light of stand situation. And I do think what he experienced is really scary.
And I'm glad he was attempting to get some help for it. I really don't know just based off the
information in the article. I'm sure they didn't really share everything. Yeah. But I don't know how
Bishop Cloud determined that stands sleep paralysis and intrusive thoughts were not a mental health

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issue. Yes. And that's it kind of goes back to like the concerns that I was sharing sort of at the
top. Like I think you have to exhaust all of those like physical medical other rational explanation
before we just sort of start poking around in the spiritual. Exactly. Like I think maybe he should

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have, I don't know, if Stan visited like therapist or anything like that. I really think that's
important and important thing to do first. I mean, it could be mental health. Hell, honestly,
the reason why I say like physical, it's not just a matter of mental health. You could literally
have a brain tumor. Like those are your regular doctor. Or you could have like mold in your house

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or some sort of electric like the EMF things like those can really fuck with you. Yeah. I know you
think of like the EMF readers detecting ghosts. But like if the EMFs are really, really high that
the electromagnetic fields and those can like make you hallucinate, make you feel like weird. And
yeah. So I don't know. I feel like they're just needed. I don't know if there was more investigation done

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prior to this. But I feel like that that's really necessary to do. Especially go see a like a real
therapist first, like get some mental health stuff checked first before you try to get an exorcism
of things. They're still wrong. Like then maybe, okay, then maybe try try anything you can. But I
don't know. I think that's a really important thing to do. I mean, hey, listen, I'll try anything once.

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You only owe low once. Can I have any more? Maybe. At one point, I really did think we were going to
need one in the old department. Oh, yeah. And now I feel like we were at step two. We just we were in
place. Yeah. Because I was having horrific dreams. And I was feeling very sick and having a lot of

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issues with my sleep. Dude, you were about to get possessed. I yeah, it kind of feels a
little bit. Maybe. But you know, we we did everything that seemed reasonable aside from inviting a
random religious leader into our home. And we do terror all the time. So, you know, we're just asking

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for it. Yeah. What was she wearing? Exactly. But anyway, I like I hope it worked out for Stan. I hope
his problems were solved in whatever way. If it was the exorcism, if he got different help after
words, I hope everything's okay in that situation, especially for the daughter. Yeah. Yeah. So I
hope everyone involved. Yeah. Hope that's all that's all. There is a video news story of Bishop Cloud

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doing another exorcism on a man in golden Oregon. Oh boy. Okay. And this is a notoriously haunted
place. Mm. Our Lord and Savior, Zach Begglebytes went there and got the ship possessed out of him.
Yeah, it's like a really like a haunted like little ghost town type of thing.
Oh, okay. Golden Oregon. Yeah. And it was on ghost adventures. So they have a if you're interested

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in the sources, they have a video of him. You could see him in his purple shirt smoking a cigar
doing his thing. Okay. There's one more exorcism I would like to talk to y'all about. All right.
Following the Portland Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, Archbishop Alexander Sample

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conducted an exorcism on the city streets. So he is Roman Catholic and is associated with the
big Papa Pope Church. Yeah. I wonder for how long. No, this is like this is legit. This is the
legit one. No, I know. I'm saying if he's doing exorcisms on the street, I wonder how long

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he's doing. No, the exorcism was legit. That's what I'm saying. Like this was all this was all done.
This was good. This was a good permission. Okay. All right. I'm going to tell you about it. Okay.
So the reason for this was not to like exercise any demons from any people. Okay. It was just to
get rid of any negativity left behind from the demonstrations. Oh, interesting. Okay. Sample explains

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quote, we all know there's been a lot of unrest side by side with those legitimate and righteous
and wonderful demonstrations. We've seen this violence that has also erupted and maybe distracted
somewhat from the real issues of racial injustice. So he's just he's just doing like a clenching. Yeah.

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He's like she's seen some things. Yeah. She needs like a spa day. Yeah. It was really just to clear it
of any negativity to like hope that in the future that things will be better and there's just no lingering
bad energy in the streets of Portland, Oregon. Interesting. Where there was a lot of energy. Lots of

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in 2020. Yeah. There was like what was it like four months or something of like protest. I
I think it went on a bit longer than that. I think this article said like about four months. They
did it in October, I think. I think I mean, there are certain time periods where it was like at peak.

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But then there have been, you know, some sporadic demonstrations that occurred for I mean,
it felt like that almost never went away fully. Yeah. Well, that year was 10 years long. So
I say it all the time. 2020. The longest decade ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think this one was

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this is kind of like how exorcism should be. Just like a like a nice thing to do for people,
not really trying to. Yeah. It was poised to really be unhappy and uncomfortable. So I ended it
on a good note for you. Yeah. Not all exorcisms are because of Ouija boards. No, I mean, that was good.

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Yeah. Well, that was all I had. But then like going through this, I remembered something that
happened to me while I was house sitting. And I'm watching dogs. So like we took the dogs out, we,
it was just me. Okay. I met we the dogs and I went outside. Got it. Yeah. So they went potty. It's
like 10 o'clock at night. It's dark. Nothing's going on. We come back inside. I close the door.

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And I lock it. And they have like a bell on the door for the dog to, you know, jingle jungle. Okay.
I need a potty genius. So I was walking away. I swear the dogs were like here, like next to me,
like grabbing toys doing that. They were all excited because they went pee and they came back in the
house. You know, we were like the door. Well, I guess people can't release the I was probably like 10

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feet away from the door. Like door is here. I'm like here. Okay. With the dogs. And also,
I hear this like bang. And it sounded like someone took both of their hands and went bang on the front
door and the bells jingled. And I was like, I turned and look and the dogs weren't over there.

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They were still running around. And I was like that couldn't have been like, because one of them's
a great Dan and he's big. So I'm like, okay, I can ran into the door like maybe. Yeah. But he
wasn't even over there. And so I told a person whose house it was. And she was like, well, birds like
flying to the door sometimes. I'm like, I'm gonna say it is a very lazy Amazon delivery. Right.

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They just like threw it at the door. Right. But the camera didn't go off. Nothing was at the door.
It was 10 o'clock at night. Who would be delivering a package? Birds aren't flying around at 10 o'clock.
It could have been a bat, I guess. But like the sound I've heard. I've heard the birds. They hit the windows a
lot. And I think they have hit the door before. But it just that's a much more like the sound of that

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is so slight compared to a full-sized human putting both of their hands. And I don't know. That's
exactly what it sounded like is something someone threw something heavy at the door or if it was like
their two hands. And that's the immediate thought I had was like someone with their two hands.
Hitting the door. It was so weird. And I really don't know how to explain it. I mean, I guess I could have

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been like a bat or something that just like flew away after. It didn't, I don't know. Bat seems too small
to move. It's too nervous. I know. And I was thinking there is someone who lives downstairs. So it could have
been him slamming a door. But I've it just the way that it happened. The house is really big.

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If someone's downstairs slamming a door, it's not going to jiggle the door upstairs and like make the
bells. You might hear it. But but the vibration. Like the bells came off the door and like smacked the door.
Like it didn't just jingle it. Like it sounded like it came off the door and like smacked it. Yeah.
Like very forceful. Not like hard. But just yeah. Just as if someone had hit the door just enough to

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where the bells kind of went off the door and back. Yeah. She doesn't think it was anything. But she
doesn't believe in any of the stuff. She has told me someone has died on the property again, old woman.
But she's like and I'm like, what if it's on and she's like, it's not fucking haunted. But I mean, I don't know what
I mean, that's what I would tell myself if I lived there too. Why would an old woman be banging on the door

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with that force? Because she's like, I cannot believe this door is locked. When I lived here, we left all
of the doors unlocked. Maybe. I mean that she didn't live in the house. It's just on the property because
the house is new. Okay. I don't know. Maybe she's pissed because she's like, I'm more of a cab person.
Yeah. But I mean, I got scared for like a second, but I was like, I can't like, I mean, I'm not going to let

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things scare me because then it's just going to get worse, you know? Yeah. I do think it feeds off
the energy is certain amount. So I just say, no, thank you. Okay. And I go to bed and we don't go outside
the rest of the night. Cam and I got to bed now. So good night, everyone. The other thought I had was
like, what if it was like a, because there's wild animals all around. So what if like something followed

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us back to the door, but like the camera didn't, the ring didn't go off. Yeah. So. Which does make me think,
okay, well, at least it seems reasonable to unless you're presented with new or additional evidence,
at least there's no physical threat. Yeah. Currently. Hopefully. Yeah. Okay. I mean, nothing happened,

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I guess. I think I'm fine. I'm probably going to wear a hole through this. This is a tire time.
It's just been spinning like a top. I wish I wish I had something as I'm, I do. I do. You have an emotional
support. Stuffy. My mommy got this for me for Christmas. Very cute. She knows me really well. Yeah.

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Is that a squish? Yeah. Yeah. Squishmellow. Yeah. I love it. It's like, I can't really tell if it's
like a bat devil or if it's like a demon or I feel like it's like a little bat devil. Like a bat?
Like a mischievous bat devil. You know what I mean? I also have one of these that's a bat that's a
mushroom. Adorable. That's cute. I know. So you have like a thing for mushrooms. Mushrooms and bats.

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Interesting. What can I say? Okay. On that note, should we do some tarot? Oh yeah! Tarot!
I brought my beetle juice deck for this because I thought it was appropriate.
Which is new. I got it for Christmas. I'm so excited. I was going to say I don't think I've seen
that before. I looked over and I was like, hello. I just got it. It's so excited. Very exciting.

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Okay. Let's do tarot. Okay.
Okay. Caitlyn's shuffled. I'm going to shuffle.
They like get stuck. All the cards are new. I'm having a hard time. The cards are brand new. So she's
having a little bit of a struggle bus situation with spreading them out. Cassie is picking a card.

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Is she gonna... I think this is the one? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, there's stock.
Okay. Well, it was in the reverse. I'll let you vana with the rights ahead.
My head was in the way while you were picking. I had her... I had two stuck together and I had her

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pick one. So we got the Queen of Pentacles in reverse. This is my Beetlejuice deck.
This is one of the party goers when they had the party with the shrimp and the crab in the face and
what's that? The banana boat song? It's not the banana boat. Wait. I can't think of any other words.

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Get the banana boat. No, we know the song. You get it. You know the Beetlejuice song. Come on.
Okay, I'm gonna set it on the altar. Okay.
Day-o. Day-o. Day-o. Day-o. Day-o-like. Come. I mean it's like the banana song. Yeah, a little bit.

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A little ball-bob. Okay. Me said it. Me said okay.
Oh, my God. Something happened. Okay. Best.
Plus my nails.
All right, our key words are comfort, security, wealth, generosity,
managerial ability and fertility. Okay.

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Like the King, the Queen of Pentacles often appears seated on a throne,
wearing rich garments and a crown. Some deck show her gazing down at a pentacle in her lap,
symbolizing fertility. Oh, interesting. It's like a pentacle and I don't know why. Like a pentagram

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is like what people think of as like one of the evil things and like, oh, there's so many demons with
their pentagram. Uh, demons of witches. I think a pentacle is like a pentagram is like a
pentacle upside down, right? That sounds right. We're going to go with that. I'm going with that.
This card may represent an actual person, usually a mature woman who's intelligent,

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serious and strong. Us? Uh, possibly. Um, possibly. I'll save. Okay, I'm just going to go into the
interpretation. Okay. In a reading about, oh, no, I almost read the upright. Okay, it's in river.

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Her eyes look so creepy. I know you can't see it right now. But like looking at the altar and
like seeing this woman's eyes like from upside down, because I put the card upside down. It looks
really creepy. Okay. When reversed, the Queen of Pentacles may indicate a questionable

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financial situation. We kind of did talk about that. Like we weren't really sure. What's interesting.
Okay. Sometimes it shows a lack of understanding in money matters, mismanaging property,
reckless spending or hoarding. Mm-hmm. NV or manipulation may exist when this card appears

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reversed. Oh, no. I mean, I was hoping there was no manipulation, but I mean, that was kind of,
I mean, I feel like it's implied. I feel like it's there. Yeah. It can also suggest indulgence
and laziness, or it may represent caretaker burnout. Caretaker burnout? That's, yeah. Interesting.

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Note there. Huh. I'm going to noodle on it. In a reading about money, the reversed Queen says,
"You're not dealing with money matters in a constructive, realistic way. An investment or
business venture may be shady or won't pay off." Oh, a shady business venture, huh? Interesting.

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Your finances may be unstable, or an advisor/partner may not be reliable.
Hmm. If the reading is about work, you may feel insecure in your job, status and engage in questionable
behavior to hold onto your position. I don't know. I just like questionable behavior in your job,

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just reminding me of him like getting kicked out of his church for doing exercises. Yeah. Yeah.
Sometimes this card can indicate you've sold your soul for security and feel trapped and unfulfilled
as a result. Just the wording sold your soul. That's crazy. Yeah. How many fucking cards say that?
Probably not. Probably just the one. Yeah. In a reading about love, the reversed Queen suggests

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an unhappy relationship based on security status or wealth. In some cases, it represents
sexual access, obsession or trading sex for financial benefits. Okay. I mean, I don't know if that has
anything to do with the like specifically with this, but it just seems like salacious, you know? Yeah.

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The evil things indicative of scandal. Yeah. I feel like. Okay. There is an extra excerpt,
"Earthmother." We often refer to our planet as "mother earth," and which is considered the earth to be
feminine. In the writer Waitsmith, Dach, the Queen of Pentacles sits in a beautiful landscape

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which indicates her strong connection with nature. She's the ultimate earthmother.
Which is like all like paganism is about is like really earth and yeah. Interesting. We drew this card.
That's like a queen, like a woman and there was a lot of woman bashing in this
religion in general and in this specific exorcism episode. And I'm really like wondering what

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this other card was. That was stuck to it now. It's the Ace of Cups in reverse. And it's another
woman. Interesting. It is Lydia on her bike. And you said this is Ace of Cups in reverse as well.
Okay. Keywords are new love, beginning a creative activity in joy. The reversed Ace can

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indicate a delay in starting a relationship. It can also mean a romance that seemed promising,
doesn't develop or turn out as you'd hoped. What if this was like from the demons perspective?
That's so funny. I was going to say I feel like I understand why the other card was the one
that wins out. That maybe that makes sense too. This may not be the right time to start something new.

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This is so from the demons perspective like I can't get that out of my head now. Yeah. Interesting.
In a reading about money, the reversed Ace suggests you may have to wait a while to profit from a new venture.
Especially if you're not getting paid for it. Or it can mean you won't make as much as you'd
expected. Again, especially if you're not getting paid. Or I was kind of thinking before I lose it.

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Like the like Stan who has this new relationship with his exorcist and like maybe it didn't work out
right away. If the reading is about your work, you may encounter delays in landing your dream job.
For creative people, this Ace can represent a dry spa when you feel stifled or uninspired.

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In a reading about love, you may run into obstacles, limitations, or disappointments.
Oh, you can't possess this person because this bishop cloud is just yelling at you.
You know, maybe, maybe get out of here. It's my half day cruiser fruits.

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Seriously. Oh, I'm sorry. Christ on the cross. Yeah. You get it. Oh, man. Well, that was fun.
Yeah. I really loved using my beetle juice stack. That's good. That was a good one. It came with a
weird interpretation. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's booklet. That's like one page. Wow. I kind of want to,

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I don't know if these say anything extra. Let's see. What was that first one again? So
Queen of Pentacles. Queen of Pentacles. And then the Ace of Cops in Rivers. Oh, this is interesting.
When the when reverse, the Queen of Pentacles finds you turning inward, taking time away from your
career and family. So you can do the essential work on yourself. Don't worry. They'll manage

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just fine without you. Interesting. It reminds me of like having work issues when you're like having
a possession and yeah. And then like you have to turn away from everything and then like get help,
you have to work on yourself to get the demons out. That's exactly what I was thinking. And then
something is keeping you grounded when all you want to do is fly like away with a diamond.

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With a diamond. This block is temporary, but it's worth investigating what's holding you down.
Oh, God. The sleep paralysis. Yeah. I don't like that. They're literally investigating what was
holding him down. That's crazy. Yeah, I think we should get back to true crime. I'm really glad that I

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opened this. Okay. You're ready for new experiences, new relationships and a boon of artistic inspiration.
Oh, a boon. Daniel. Daniel. That's an angelic name. Daniel. Because it ends in E.L. Oh, interesting.
Shake off your past and dance your way into a beautiful new time of life. That's kind of interesting

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too because in Beetlejuice, the dancing was like they were being possessed whenever people,
they were like making people dance. Yeah, that's true. Oh, it's just all connected with that one
little piece of paper I decided to pull out. Interesting. That's cool. Well, do you guys love our

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altar with our Taylor prayer candle, our Cee Nuiville here, I know I'm gonna speak Nuiville
bats. The bait. We got our protective crystal with it's like a gold gold sheen obsidian. I think
it's called like a gold obsidian. I think it's called gold gold sheen obsidian. Gold. You're

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fancier than me. I don't know. I thought obsidian was just black. It is. So normally obsidian is black,
but there is. It's like not black. They're like not a shimmery though. I thought. Yeah, this is
a gold sheen obsidian. So gold sheen obsidian has like, it's like I feel like it's almost like
tiger's eye kind of. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Very reminiscent of that. I think they're silver too.

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But they're really cool. I guess you can't tell. All of us kind of show off the ball really quick.
Okay. Or the egg. Interesting. It's an egg and the thing said stuff about like fertility.
Oh yeah, that's a good point. It's very pretty. It's so cool. Because it does just look like a black
stone at first glance really. Oh, I love this thing. But obsidian is like very like a very protective

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stone, which is why I... Yeah. I brought it today and then it's being held up by my three gargoyle
little stand. The gargs. The gargs. They're protective too. So we got a lot of protective stuff going
on just in case. Oh, and you know, I think I maybe knew that at one point, but I didn't...
It wasn't clicking. Yeah. Maybe I learned it and then forgot it. I didn't realize I guess gargoyles.

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Yeah. They're protective too. It makes sense why they would be like on every
on the outside of her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I used to have a gargoyle outside my front door
and I have pat on my head. It lives at my friend Brittany's house now. I love it. A lullvich. And then we
of course have the super evil Ouija board. That's not a Ouija board. It is a cutting board. So,

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Kate, let us say, there's no plan chat to go with it. Which I believe Ouija boards in general are not...
They can't do anything unless you're trying to communicate. So if it's just sitting in your house
for a decoration. No, I agree. I think, you know, until you actually open... Take the steps. It's an

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inanimate object. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So we're safe either way, but... A herb.
In the middle of sage, little sage bundle, smoked cleansing bundle. There ain't nothing little about
sage bundle. It's huge. It's enormous. It's got a... What did you say? Gerthy. She girthy.
Hefty? I'm a hefty boy. Hefty boy. That's so funny. Well, I can't.

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That's my sad. Hefty boy. Oh, there might be a Patreon bonus. There's like some little extra stuff
that I just didn't because it was... It turned out to be nine pages. Which is like... Wow. Yeah, that's
long. I think the longest one I ever did was like 10. So nine's pretty long. Usually it's like seven, eight.

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Yeah. I feel like that's like pretty solid. Yeah. Like lengthwise for kind of the format that we use.
I just had some opinions. We've had a couple of like little mini-so things too from like episodes
that have already been out now that like, hopefully we can get to. Maybe not today. Patreon bonus is

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we have them planned. So get ready. But we just recorded a Patreon bonus that has to go out. So
we did a little news. So news club poll for them. Yeah. Okay. All right. Should we go? Should we
go? Finish our blood and get out of here. Yeah. Oh my. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.

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Unless you're possessed by the demon or Jesus. Unless you bring a Ouija board to my house. I want to
play because then you're uninvited. Okay. I mean, I brought the Ouija board and I want to play it. I just
know that you're not going to. Yeah. Mm-hmm. No, thank you. I'll get her to do one. A power of Christ compil 0.

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