Exploring Places Forgotten: The Allure of Abandon Architecture

Ever wondered about the eerie allure of places left to time and the stories they might tell? Join us as we chat with Ben from Places_Forgotten, a remarkable photographer who has made it his mission to capture the haunting beauty of abandoned locations. Known for his viral TikTok videos, Ben’s work resonates with a global audience captivated by the mysterious and the macabre.

As we explore the world of abandoned places, reminiscent of a zombie apocalypse, discover the haunting relics left behind. Ben recounts bizarre finds like hearses, embalming tables, creepy doll collections, and even human remains! With plans for future explorations, Ben's passion for capturing the essence of these mysterious places continues to ignite curiosity and inspire wonder in those who follow his captivating journey.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
And we heard as clear as day, it was like a fist banging on the bed that we just

(00:11):
come out of like, "Clear as day, like bang, bang, bang."
You know that clear sound of somebody hitting on a metal bed for him?
"Wow."
Clear as day, and we've just been in there, we're back in, of course there's nothing in there,
there's no animals, there's nobody else in there, and we were like, "Okay, it was so
crutch."
I think it's even now, do you remember the aside of it, you'll be like, "Yeah, that was
horrible."

(00:31):
Oh man, I got so many chills you telling that.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, Cassie.
Hi, creepy people.
Hello!
This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all
things.
Spooky in the Pacific Northwest, and sometimes other places.

(00:55):
Oooo.
Yeah, that's right, we just went to Guadalara.
We did, and today we're going somewhere else too.
Maybe another country, we'll see.
Interesting.
We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
into our topic.

(01:16):
Well, today is a little bit different of an episode, Caitlyn isn't going to join us the
entire time.
Oh, I know, she wasn't invited to this interview that I did.
No, she was, but it was a little hard to schedule because our guest is in England, England,

(01:36):
which fun fact, if you didn't know, there are eight hours ahead of the Pacific Northwest.
So, it's a little hard to schedule.
We ended up doing it at like my 9am, his 5pm.
Oh, beautiful.
No, but we got it done.
Excellent.
Since I had to go to work after it, we didn't really have time to do the tarot.

(01:59):
So me and Caitlyn are going to do tarot at the end for Ben.
I didn't ask him, I really don't know how he feels about tarot.
So, Ben, if you're listening, if you don't, if you don't want the tarot, and you're like,
no, then don't listen to the rest of the episode.
Yeah, because we're doing it.
So.
Yeah, so we interviewed Ben, who is an abandoned place photographer.

(02:23):
So cool.
We found him on Instagram.
I think I was like trolling you with one of his photos of like a doll in our stories.
Oh, okay.
That sounds like you.
Sounds like me.
And then also, I wanted to quickly show you.
I want to get your reaction, because he talks about something later in the interview.
Okay.

(02:43):
And he made me look at it to get my reaction.
And I was like, oh my god, I have to show Caitlyn and get her reaction to it.
So I can like, I don't know if we'll keep it at the beginning and just like surprise people
when we get there.
Or if I'll insert your reaction in the middle, we'll see.
Okay.
It's fine.
It's not like the anticipation is killing me or anything.

(03:05):
It's not porcelain dolls.
Okay.
Well, that's something.
So is it just a house at the beginning?
Yeah.
Okay.
So scroll.
Okay.
This is an abandoned house full of fun surprises.
Literally a full.

(03:25):
When I say full, it's full.
Like I don't maybe we'll get his permission to share some of these photos too.
Oh my god.
Or just link to it, but it is not insane.
Is that like just a nightmare?
Okay.
So Cassie, I feel like yes.
Technically, I don't see any porcelain dolls, but like they're definitely dolls in there.

(03:51):
In the mix.
Oh my god.
That's a lot.
That is a lot.
There's some fun clowns like towards the end too.
There's some skeleton clowns.
There's a lot going on here.
So that was interesting.
That's the kind of fun stuff that Ben likes to take pictures of.
Well, not that it's a high bar, but Ben is braver than I.

(04:16):
Okay.
I'm going to scroll through to the rest of these.
Oh my god.
There's just keeps going.
Okay.
Well, they are just piled.
I'm picturing an avalanche.
Like an avalanche.
Like I would be equally fearful of an avalanche that would end my life in this situation.

(04:40):
As I would standing on like on a mountain.
I yeah.
Right.
Like, who knows what's buried under there?
Could there be a person under there?
Or worse, yeah, a porcelain doll.
It crawls its way out of all the other toys.
Oh my god.

(05:00):
Cassie, I'm home alone all day today.
Sorry.
You are a monster.
Apologies I have to drink.
I have a bad throat at the minute, so I've got to keep drinking.
So apologies.
Oh no.
That's fine.
I have coffee because I literally just rolled out of bed.
Amazing.
What time is it there?
9.20 am.
I'm way ahead of you here.

(05:22):
I don't like the morning.
The mornings are terrible.
And you're like, it's the evening there.
Yeah.
Twenty past five in the evening.
It's already pitch black.
It was horrible.
Oh my gosh.
Well, it's pitch black in my room because I have blackout curtains.
There we are, both vampires.
Which is why I don't wake up in the morning.
Good.
Yeah.
So I have Ben with me today from Places Forgotten.

(05:44):
That's the one.
And you are a photographer of abandoned places.
That's what I do.
Just as a hobby.
Yes, I've been called Worse.
I got called a blogger recently and I'm thinking, I've never written a blog in my
life.
Where does that come from?
I was kind of thinking the same thing.
You sent me a little news clip of, I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it or
not.
Yeah, what you talk about that is fine.

(06:06):
They call me a blogger and I'm like, I tell you I've written a blog in my life, but okay.
I was excited.
I'm like, okay, where's this blogger?
I do.
I want to read it.
I feel like I'm holding out myself.
So you're basically on Instagram and TikTok.
Yes.
For an app.
Yeah.
Hopefully.
You know what?
I hope we get it.
It's like death row.

(06:26):
I hope we get it last minute pardon.
Yeah.
Because a lot of my audience are in the saves.
I think it will happen.
I think Mr. Beast will buy it.
Oh, I didn't think about that.
Is the band not happening worldwide?
Is it just in the US?
I think it's just in the US.
But it's interesting.
I mean, I know we're weird over here.
My last video is from 1.4 million.
So I've really been kind of plugging that as much as I can.

(06:47):
Yeah.
But I don't want it to go because something like 60, 70% of my audience is Americans.
Yeah.
So, you know, Mr. Beast needed to make this happen in the next day.
Well, we'll see.
You know, I think it may be me and you.
We should put our money together.
You might think if they accept them though or, you know, like PayPal or something.
Will they take?

(07:08):
Actually, it works.
Three cents because that's basically all I have.
Well, I don't think I should.
Maybe no one's offering me.
I know.
I think Mr. Beast will buy it.
I'm hoping he does.
Like it needs to be said.
I think, no, it's not just that.
Look, I think a lot of small businesses have stuff on there as well.
That is true.
I don't really see what point.
I think there's worse since you could focus on the banning tick talk.

(07:29):
A lot of people are going to say, oh, well, you know, it's destroying people's brains.
Yeah, but if people want to switch off for an hour, that should be up to them.
Yeah.
You know, not everybody who's going to go and, you know, go to a bar or have a smoke or have
a beer, you know, some people want to do that, you know.
Right.
So, there we are.
If I want to kill my brain, let me do it.
That's my argument.
That's my argument.
Well, so speaking of TikTok and your millions of views on the video, which video is it?

(07:55):
Well, a lot of my videos, I'm very lucky.
A lot of them have got millions on them.
A lot of the funeral homes, my biggest one was the funeral home.
I could talk about this without people.
The funeral home is actually gone.
It was in, yeah, it was.
It was a funeral home with a pink car skit.
And that was in King's tree in the Carolinas.
And I just started with tick talk and I put it on the video and it was an amazing funeral

(08:17):
home.
It had like a pink horse in the back.
I don't know if you saw it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Pink car skit in the back of the house outside.
How do I have to look?
I saw the pink car skit.
I saw a bunch of herses though and those were one of my favorite things.
The place was this wide open and even the neighbors that drive past the look of you and they
wouldn't care.
And I remember I put the video up and I went to the, we'll call it the movies because you

(08:40):
aren't talking to the Americans now.
Not the cinema.
And I remember I came out to use a little hour in terrible terrible patron and it was on
a million and I'm like wow an hour and I think within a week it was on 29 million and I
was like wow this is crazy.
So a lot of my videos are too well.
They normally hit between half a million and a million and two million.

(09:01):
But my last four videos where I only got like in hundreds of thousands and then this video
has been up four days and it's on 1.4 million.
So I'm like wow this is actually the best video in like a few that I've done.
But you know there's a damn thing that as well.
So.
Yeah you get noticed.
Yeah.
But the video's doing really well.

(09:22):
Did you look into that case at all?
I didn't look into the case.
Yeah well I mean I'll quickly tell you though the woman that she murdered her parents.
As you do.
And she lived in the house with the bodies for four years.
For four years.
And then they were discovered.
Yeah she was arrested and then they found the bodies in the house.

(09:43):
She was arrested in October 2023 and she's now in jail and the house was that sim.
So I thought why I really needed to do a video in here.
So I got in and I documented it all and it's horrifying and now somebody complained that
the video offended them.
And I saw on the news yesterday that police were investigating this blogger who went into
this house and I'm thinking well that's me but I'm not a blogger.

(10:05):
And I would thought what was going to come over and you know put in the door.
Oh my god.
And I've had nothing so I'm like well they can't be that bothered you know.
Yeah but like obviously you're not the killer right because they know that she did it.
So like why would.
What's the hard.
And I was reading all the comments people writing on the news and they were like vile, despicable
person.

(10:26):
All this stuff about me and I'm like yeah that's fair enough.
So.
Yeah I guess I do see we get kind of get that side too because my co-host we do talk about
true crime.
She does all the research or it tells me about it.
But they people think we're just like sensationalizing trying to make money off of like other people's
crimes and doing the victims.

(10:47):
But people are interested in it.
Yeah.
People are interested in it.
It's like okay here's an example we have a true crime exhibition in London right now.
I'm going to go to it next week and it's got stuff like how can I forget this the guy the
great Netflix show with the the acid in the bodies.
Dahmer.
Dahmer.
It's got like Dahmer's glasses there.
Oh.

(11:08):
And it's got like some of the barrels he used and it's got like Richard Ramirez's
Clothes and I can't wait to go like I'm yeah he was a bit weird.
Well they were with Ben anyway.
So you could say well that kind of thing is sensualizing and making money out of it.
But if people are interested and people are interested you know.
Right we've always been interested in it.
We used to do public hanging like come on.

(11:29):
Exactly.
I mean you know could you imagine that would be like a morning what are you doing this morning
when I'm going to go to the public hanging and then I'm going to go and get bred for
dinner you know.
Right exactly.
Is this that kind of thing in a way people want to see some macabre and some mysterious
stuff.
Yeah.
And then you know so yeah so I'm I'm all for it really.
I've been to the Zak Bagans' Museum in Vegas.

(11:51):
How was that Vegas how was that I hear that I mean I really like it.
It's kind of it's kind of icky though it's kind of like the same thing.
He's got like murder - murderabilia is that what they call it.
Amazing.
Yeah.
So it's interesting.
Yeah.
No I bet.
I mean I have a human lung in formaldehyde on my on my counter. A human what?
I have a human lung.

(12:12):
Oh.
I'm so you know I love stuff like this means that Bagans' collection must be amazing but unfortunately
I'm not multi-million.
Right.
I'm not buying respect.
I mean it could be amazing you know.
Imagine having done this with glasses you know.
What somebody had to do is when he was taken to the mall to just swipe them.
I did on the same.
Yeah.
I mean he I feel like if you're if it was like the victims glasses that would be different

(12:36):
that would be like icky you know.
If it's the person who was doing the bad thing like let's look at their stuff and make
money off of it who cares.
Well exactly I'm all for it.
Yeah.
So yeah.
So that was my last video but that's doing quite well.
People seem to like it and people are like oh it's really disrespectful you can take it
down.

(12:56):
No I'm not.
Yeah.
Because most of the people find it very interesting.
So how do you get into these places?
You know what a lot of people have this thing of oh yeah you know breaking and entering 9.99
percent of the time.
These places are open if you just want to be creative and you can climb.
I'm very going to climbing.

(13:17):
So I go to some funeral homes and I'll be like right well all the doors are locked.
But I can get in a top window that's open and then I have to jump down into the mortuary.
So a lot of places are open or if not if it's closed local kids will open it.
But mind you there are some places I've been to that just are not open and I've never
been able to go inside and that's just the way it is sometimes.
You're not like taking a crowbar with you and like you know a lot of the Americans are fully

(13:42):
admitting this and they're like yeah I don't care but no I don't do that just purely because
I'm British and if I get caught in America doing that I don't really think you guys would
like it too much.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Unfortunately but no but luckily I get given a lot of spots that were already open.
Have they been opened by somebody else possibly but I get there and it's open that's what

(14:05):
I know you know.
Yeah just checking doors.
Yeah checking doors and to be fair I've done some really good funeral homes and literally
I've tried every door window and you sometimes just find a door window that's open and it's
like oh wow that was easy.
So I did one in the in the carolinas in July and the door was just open and I didn't know

(14:25):
that it shut and they were actually going to put it off a sale.
And it was in that in period and I was in there and I wanted to go back and get my pictures
in the environment room and then the owner and his wife came in and I was like oh the
panic and they kind of stormed in and I was like you're Richard.

(14:47):
I've been here so long waiting for you and they're like who's Richard I'm like oh I thought
you were Richard I thought you were the real estate guy I heard this place was the sale.
I didn't even know it was going to be for sale I just made this up and then they were
like oh no it's going to be for sale but not yet but how did you find out and I did just
think of my feet and they kind of up giving me like a whole tour of the funeral home had

(15:09):
no idea that actually been in there for like an hour taking pictures of video I was so lucky.
That's hilarious.
It's like doing improv.
His wife was like you know she's seeing open door you don't walk in and I'm thinking you
can't tease me with a funeral home with an open door and I'm not think I'm going to come
in.
But he was really nice.
I actually I actually felt really bad for lying to him but I was like oh yeah I put in

(15:33):
the offer definitely I'm sure he told it by now it's all good.
Yeah it went to what was supposed to go to and you got cool photos.
Exactly so it's all good but it was a really good funeral home to be fast so I was okay.
My first instinct probably would be to be like I'm a ghost.
Yeah but a sheet on my head.

(15:55):
I'm not here.
That's real.
Absolutely yeah so yeah that was recent but I just try and be careful I don't want to run
into neighbours.
Neighbors can be worse than owners sometimes.
Yeah.
Even though I think what we're going to do with you might your own business you know.
So yeah but no nine times I'm pretty good because I'm English.

(16:16):
I remember I was trying doors at this funeral home and I'm literally like pulling on
a door like I was going to give way because it was just real and then this girl like comes
around the corner and she's like can I help you and I'm like and I had to make out I was looking
for my drone on the roof and her dad got a ladder and we're looking for this non-existent
drone on the roof that was not on the roof because I made it up and I'm like oh I thought

(16:38):
this place was abandoned he's like oh yeah we're going to reopen this so we've been looking
to reopen here for a couple of years and it's one of those you know it's never going
to reopen.
And I'm like oh I knocked like how do you know I was here he goes all the neighbour called
me and said that somebody was trying the doors and I'm like oh right I'm thinking what a
snitch.
But could you imagine if I was in there I'm looking for my drone in the environment room.

(17:02):
Inside yeah I accidentally do it into the window.
Yeah it's into the environment room.
Yeah silly me so yeah so you've got to think on your feet I think being English helps
right.
Very touchwood but all the owners are going to see this video and be cursed you can shake
an FS like I knew it.
There is this place I've been researching for an episode that's here it's called Oculus Anubis.

(17:26):
Have you heard of it.
Is it in Oregon?
Yeah it's not like super well known.
Well I haven't heard of it what is it.
So I don't know if it's abandoned technically I think some people still live on the property.
I don't worry about them.
It is they have right don't worry about them but they have like cameras there.
Also they're apparently like bankrupt so did the cameras work I don't know.

(17:48):
A lot of cameras you know for a show and you'll know if they work and not because if you hold
your phone up to them if you don't see a red light.
Yeah that's a good good tip good abandoned place tip.
So what kind of place is it.
So it is no one I mean no one really knows it's kind of like an unfinished property it was
supposed to be like a big mansion with like underground tunnels and stuff.

(18:11):
The reason it's like so noticeable so the front is like this huge gate like arch gate with
like lions in like two pyramids that used to like have fire they don't have fire anymore.
There's quite a famous entrance isn't it like a like a bit of a movie layer.
And it's in like a small town near Portland and it's like in a residential like neighborhood.

(18:32):
So it's like kind of interesting if you stumble upon it like obviously all the teenagers
are like ooh what's this you know.
Has anyone got any options.
People have yeah.
All you can see like download there's like a long road from the gate and then there's this
big statue it's like an Egyptian statue.
And so automatically I don't know why but people think like it's a cult it's like satanic

(18:59):
because the Egyptian is satanic for some reason.
I don't think the Egyptian is less than that.
What I remember studying at school right it's weird it's I don't know why people think
that but because it's so secretive and private and like shady stuff is going on.
People think they're like a cult or like human traffickers because of like the tunnel thing.

(19:19):
Yeah all of that.
There's like a unfinished like mansion there's other weird statues all over.
It could it could be like child trafficking and all sorts there.
I mean I freaking hope not.
Yeah I look into this when we come off the call that sounds cool.
So let me know if you ever try to try to sneak on.
Yeah.
But people have been apparently chased out and stuff so I don't know if you if you want

(19:43):
to try that.
Yes I'm honest to be really scary.
I mean I've had a run in with an owner in Illinois that was horrible.
Some owners can be really scary to us.
It was a it was a funeral home and the guy he'd actually lost his license because he was
rather than giving ashes back to the families he was giving back kitty litter.

(20:04):
That's awful.
So the guy lost his license.
I happened to all the time so he lost his license.
So I rock up to the funeral home at night and I'm like this could be great and I find the
the environment room that was separate from the main the main house and it's got the
houses and the garage is from like are this could be great and I booked my motel two minutes

(20:25):
away and I managed to get in the environment room and I'm like I'll call it nice cloud everything's
good and I go back the next morning and I turn the corner and the
the car's there and I'm like what where did this car come from and this was like 630 in
the morning and then like the guy comes out and he's like oh hi can it helps you and it's

(20:47):
the owner and he's wearing the funeral home business t-shirt driving the funeral home business
and I'm thinking hang on a minute you've like been outed for doing the terrible stuff.
You've lost your license.
The sound probably hates you why you still here I would have left and this guy is still
kind of you know wearing the funeral home gear and he's like oh were you here last night

(21:10):
because I'd open the door for the prep and I opened it a little hard and it was like that
that mess you guys have and it completely like broken on like a doesn't matter it's a band
of the band and it had glasses well and a glassful smash and I'm like oh it's flying this
is abandoned anyway and I don't man it's all been swept up and I'm like no I'm just
cutting through and he's like no you were definitely here last night were you here last night

(21:34):
you were looking around and this guy was like ready to lay hands and he was only like probably
like 30 something and I thought this is going to be really bad like this is really he's really
angry and I just basically said look I've no idea what he was talking about I'm just cutting through
I said I thought you'll build it really interesting I thought it was I don't know I made
up from rubbish Victorian era or something and and then I just left and he was like don't

(21:58):
you film me don't you film me I got my car and I was like why didn't I just leave the minute I
saw that car on the drive why did I keep venturing in here you know what was I gonna expect I'm super
though but I just I was so surprised because I thought why are you still here you know like if the
whole town hates you've been exposed for that why haven't you kind of high-toward an out of here you know

(22:19):
money maybe yeah owners owners can be a bit sketchy yeah I'd be worried especially like in
America with guns yeah yeah exactly I've never had touch with I've never had that happen thank goodness
I don't really like doing houses because houses I think you're more likely I've got friends on

(22:40):
Instagram who just do houses on their look amazing I don't I don't know I like I always think
with like hospital sooner homes you're better off than houses creep me out because you know I've been
in you know Missouri and stuff and I've seen houses with broken windows like something out of an
apocalypse film walked up there's somebody living in yeah you know we're like all the dogs running

(23:02):
loose and it's just I just feel there's enough houses are kind of a bit more of an invitation for
trouble you know yeah and a gun as well a shotgun you know you can imagine like you know cleetus
running out with a shotgun yeah exactly that's what I picture for sure but that's why if you know
what I'm so lonely easier because you're not really gonna be anybody and everybody that's been in
there is most likely dead so you're okay right well speaking of meeting people have you ever met

(23:27):
anyone who is not alive anymore a ghost I've had some weird stuff go on I mean I've done I've done
a mortuary in Paris that still had brains and stuff in it they left a brain behind it's on my
TikTok and like bones and liver and lungs whoa just left behind and just that's creepy and that

(23:48):
was really that was really creepy and then recently I did a funeral home in Alabama that was
Terry had such a dark energy to it it was horrible I couldn't wait to leave but I was on my own
oh that's here he went over for a week then and I did a funeral home in Bama Georgia and Pensacola
and I did them all on my own like it's great fun but the one in Alabama was horrible and I did

(24:13):
one in Jacksonville where the guy was story the bodies and he didn't have air conditioning and he
just left him rotten oh god I did that with Marion if you want to look it up it's the Marion
Graham watery okay and the police raided it and they found the bodies and that that was a horrible
energy in there as well there was like noises and everything it was so bad man yeah I don't know

(24:35):
whether you'd actually like to experience these or whether you're okay seeing them through TikTok
all these are on TikTok vote but then the energy in some of these places is horrible like
asylums in Europe where they like experimental them patients and stuff they're horrible as well
yeah I feel like those would have the most like strong energy in them as asylums yeah like

(24:56):
um me and my me and my friend David we did an asylum in Italy a few years ago now this place
was huge they used to abuse the patients and stuff it was like a proper asylum like something
like an horror story now this place was so hard to get into it took us hours to get in because
it was like a fortress oh wow committed yeah we look yeah we looked round every floor every room

(25:16):
make sure nobody's in there there's no animals there's no nothing and all of these have like metal
beds where they used to chain the the residents the patients to the bed and we photographe and I
still remember this still gives me sure shivers that my spine we we photographe this one room and
it had like the shoes and it the clothes the bed but we left that room literally went out
went to the netrooms and we heard as clearest day uh that it was like a fist banging on the bed

(25:45):
that we just come out of like clearest day like bang bang do you know that clear sound of somebody
hitting on a metal bed frame wow clearest day and we've just been in there we're back in of course
there's nothing in there there's no animals there's nobody else in there and we were like okay yeah
it was so crutch I still think to David now do you remember the asylum and he'll be like yeah that
was horrible oh man I got so many chills you telling that yeah yeah so that was amazing um the

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funeral I'm in did an Alabama um I was actually I did it recently and I was on my on my on face
fun to my friend Jen in there and I was in the prep room and I said love this place is horrible
and literally oh it always gives me shit as well she kind of took a step back and I literally saw
somebody behind my shoulder I let back and I was like okay I'm gonna go now and I just got my photos

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and she said look get the coffins get the car get the casket photos and I just left hard out there
it was like it was horrible and half the building was in complete darkness so I was having to go out
to do the casket just with a torch and I'm on my own and I'm like there's definitely something it
is so weird you can't explain it that's the thing you know like a lot of youtubers would be like oh

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a demon chase us out sometimes you don't know what it is but you know that there's something that's
there with you and it's just creepy do you have any kind of like protection like charms or talismans
or crystals or anything that you bring with you no no no I've never I've never I just go with my
torch my phone because I only film with my phone oh wow let's go with a torch from you take all

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the photos with your phone yeah and my video yeah yeah wow yeah I've never had a camera
a leg and wrong I think some cameras would be amazing but I think you know you've got to say that
you need tripod and I think phones now will probably just as good as some cameras so yeah I just
see our pretty good I'm a photographer though so I'm all like there we are gotta have my camera yeah

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yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got a tripod for my phone so then I want to take a picture of me like on a
slab I can do it but yeah no I take them on my phone that's cool yeah easy you're really good thank you
thank you I just self-informed I just like I might take 100 photos in the place and use 10 but yeah
that's exactly yeah yeah yeah that's oh it's a photographer thing it is it is but I've got

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prints as well and then my prints came out pretty good I framed my I've got some prints framed in my
wall and some people buy my prints nobody's actually bought a print since July last year so I need to
start putting that up on my insor store as they look by some prints you know support the starving artist
do you have a website yeah it's my dark room yeah dark room okay nice we can link to that too if anyone's

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interested yeah the prints are like five dollars oh okay but nobody's brought one since July and it's
so annoying because those people add to the basket and they don't check out and I'm like just check out
I got like a dollar of print you know but hey if I'm 10 that's you know that's that's breakfast
a waffle house so yeah by prints everyone decorate your walls my walls blank behind me I need to get

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some stuff on there do you ever feel like you're in a zombie apocalypse when you go to these places like
do you just kind of pretend that the rest of the world is gone and you're the only one there I tell
you what so so I was in Japan last year for work and I went to Fukushima whoa you know Fukushima
where they had the radioactive disaster yeah wait is it safe oh well I'm perfect yeah look a lot

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of people now moving back so you're good okay so just like a little radiation have you seen the
last of us yes it is just like the last yeah I don't think people understand right you've got
entire towns and it's even got the cars left the keys in the ignition you go in the stores it's got
everything the register the money in the register everything on the shelves the hospitals are like

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untouched with like grass you go in the casinos everything it's it's like the best
cervix in the world but yeah it's literally like a zombie apocalypse you go in these hospitals that are
like 15 floors huge everything I don't know if you're sitting in my postman everything is
as left completely like they just walked out well they did yeah they had to you still got all the

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people like false teeth on the side and like they're closing the wardrobe dude tell us amazing that's
so creepy yeah you've been have to look at my post on Instagram got some of the hospital
on there from Japan I did look through like a few things yeah I really do like I like I got stuck on
like the horses and stuff because those are my favorite ever yeah I just want to drive one yeah I

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think it's such a shame a lot of the funeral homes have herses in the garage in this one what a shame
I'd love to drive one I would just take it and just drive it as my everyday car uh-huh me too yeah
I would I've got a friend on Instagram Katie from Boston and she drives a hers so cool she's my
idol now yeah yeah yeah she's into the funeral homes I think she's got a calf skin in her in a house as

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well whoa I think she's headed to a table so that would be cool that would be cool we were giving
all these ideas now what is like the weirdest thing you've ever found left in an abandoned place so
in Paris I found brains liver lungs and and the brain and the brain was just on the side just

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like just out obviously for research is it in the jar that a brain no it's out
what that is so he stole it though every really annoyed me I went back two years later and then I went
back again somebody is sold in it I'm like ew I would have had that ew um and then I did this funeral
home recently in cop county and that made the news because it was like 35 boxes of ashes that

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had a fetus in a jar oh that a fetus apparently apparently I stole the fetus I'm like no I didn't yeah
so there's that a lot of things you find is uh human remains lost human remains boxes of
remains ashes all the time all the time all the time all the time with their names on the stuff
yeah but in a way you know if I'm doing a few more home and there's remains in them like oh

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his remains of dolly you know hey dolly you know I'm not alone you know dolly is there with me oh that's
sweet okay um don't I do that I mean there's always like death certificates you got the
herses with the keys still there which is crazy you were trying to start it and see if it works
oh the time all the time yeah yeah I tell them but they never turn on it's really this is what I'd
love that imagine if that turned on um death certificates you know and personal property of people

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that have passed um yeah to find these keys you know cars with the keys and stuff and then some places
at least you just like everything's just left even even when I have done houses you know you even
got like a cereal on the on the kitchen counter like the clothes and the wardrobe and the kids toys
on the floor and it's like people just went up in a puff of smoke you know vanished yeah

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creepy yeah I feel like I've come across some of your photos with like creepy dolls have you
you've had those in your photos right yeah yeah so I did a house in Spain in April 2022 that did
really well on TikTok and the how the woman they collected dolls and it was just four thousands
of dolls oh god how amazing thousands and then I did a house in Liverpool England in in July or

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beginning of August this year and the woman they collected soft toys like plus keys and I don't
know if you're seeing that post head to ceiling every room and you couldn't even move head did you see
that post I don't think I have yet I'll have to go look at it yeah you have your phone now I just want
to see your reaction yeah on Instagram right or is it TikTok on Instagram yeah on on Instagram now

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you see the house there with like the pyramid roof yeah click on that and then swipe through the
pictures dude oh it's crazy and I went I got given the pen and I thought oh it's just
house and toys I had no idea it was like that you can see that's insane right yeah oh my god yeah

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that was a bedroom you had to go through that to get to the bed this is crazy my co-host like
hates dolls and stuff I'm totally gonna show her this yeah I mean could you imagine living that
no it would be like I I love dolls and stuff I have like a bunch above my bed I bought like a creepy
Ann Bell doll but this many eyeballs staring at me all day yeah yeah that's so pretty yeah but that

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was pretty crazy but I mean if it comforts you I imagine it comforted her maybe she really just
liked the company yes exactly exactly so that was did any of the dolls ever like blink at you or move
no but I do walk into the house and they'd all like be falling on top of them they're trying to
like save me yeah and then you'll be stepping on some and they start playing the music and dancing

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and stuff oh that's just literally like the horror film yeah it was great though it was really good
did you get videos of that yeah it's on my TikTok oh yeah gonna go check that out too
that's okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's really good it's called Helen's house the lady
called Helen lived there apparently she was sound dead Helen surrounded by dolls I don't know

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how true that is that would be so sad for the dolls I know like our owner is dead what do we do
is there anywhere that's like on your dream like list a place that you really want to go I like to go
to China one thing I want to do is I don't know if you've seen it you've got the abandoned space

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rockets in Kazakhstan no it's like an entire side of like space rockets like as in rural life
but you it's something like 24 hours to get to Kazakhstan because you have to go via somewhere else
and then you've got a 27 mile walk through the desert together wow okay that's a long walk

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yeah and you can go and I think you can still see it but people have been getting caught and
I don't know it look if if I could get there realistically then I would go but
I think it would take me about two weeks and I've got no one wants to do it with me right um so I
just like jumping up and going to the States like I was in the States for a weekend not long ago I just

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I went on the Saturday morning and I came home on the Monday night
well just to do like grease spots and I was like yeah I flew to Orlando I woke up 4 a.m. I drove to
Alabama and I went to Georgia to Cobb County did that one the next morning and the next night I flew home
that's crazy just for fun yeah yeah I'm just so hobby I don't make any money from it really yeah

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if I make any money it goes straight away I don't profit from it at all you know right I mean I feel
it we're kind of in the same situation with the podcast that's why that's why people need to buy
prints yes just help help out listen to the pod buy prints help us out with our hobbies I see a big
big surge in traffic now in dark room I hope so I hope so be too good to have you ever been anywhere

(36:50):
in the PNW so like you said you haven't been to Oregon but what about like Washington, California, Alaska
I have I've been to California but not for our bags I haven't been to Alaska I've been to Washington
okay Washington Washington was really good I did a couple really good hospitals there
so that was really good that was really really good hospital that had like thousands of infant or

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topsy certificates left I've actually got one framed in my kitchen Washington is nice
but I haven't done I like I don't think there's a lot in Alaska California there's a couple of
bits but not masses but I haven't been to California for a long time but I like Kelly just the
traffic was horrible right yeah yeah but I liked Venice Beach I thought was very cool oh nice

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that's that's places I need to get to really yeah you got to come to Oregon it'll have me there's a lot
of ghost towns here I do hear that I do hear that yeah I got I know some people that have been
organs on my back and this I want to do the Goonies you see just for the sake of it yeah well you have to
you knew the tour yeah do the goon you still yeah and they have the museum thing now yeah with the
prison right yeah I knew it's in the old prison I'm sure good fun was there anything else that you

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wanted to bring up or talk about no I mean you know I think we've covered about the spooky places the
funeral homes but yeah no I'm back to the state soon I could do some more funeral homes
and those are my favorite the best people always say to me oh you're not sick of doing funeral
homes you've seen one you see them all absolutely not no because you've got all different kinds of

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funeral homes you've got all different looks of prep tables in some of cascets some other
verses so no I never get bored of doing funeral homes at the best because we don't have them in England
you don't we have more trees and we have like funeral care but it's like a little shop and then you've
got like a room out back but we don't have the big funeral homes like you guys have you know with like
the chapel and the cascets and the bureau room the barmer room and the cars you know what if I

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watched the other night happens to know it's really young did you ever watch my girl yeah I think
that's why I like like funeral homes and stuff yeah and I remember looking watching it the other night
and I was like that's a really nice funeral home and I was like that's the cool environment machine
you know because I've got an environment machine in my apartment and I think I've probably
where I got the interest from when I was a kid like wow that's in your homes school you know

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the film she's afraid to go to the prep room I'll be straight down there you know straight up
there's nine times at 10 they're always in they're always in the basement yeah so you get into a
funeral home and the first thing I do is write prep from my goodness you the prep room look for the
door that's got the sign saying soft only keep out for my life danger the sick couple but they use
the environment fluid and you open the door and in a split second you're going to think this is great

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or not you know I did a funeral home in Michigan in Battle Creek last year and it was amazing it was
huge it was light everything was in there but somebody had taken out the environment tables I was
sorry and there was two they were like head to heads I was really disappointed because I was like
this place would have been perfect so you know they're not all amazing some of some have got

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metal tables which they hey but they're just good fun I like them they all have drains in the floor
oh drains here but why is this when you go and they grip the table up and you're like that's right
what a bit because it's got the drain man yeah yeah but nine times out of 10 they're pretty good
they're pretty good so well you'll have to let me know if you ever do one in Oregon
absolutely we'll go and do the greenie yeah maybe there's a funeral home around there we don't know

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well it's actually I'm sure there is this is I'm sure in useful time there definitely it yeah
definitely you're gonna be posted yes definitely all right well that was so cool thanks for
reaching out and wanting to come on and talk about this stuff oh you're welcome all right you have
a good day you too have a good night thanks Cassie bye bye

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there is a statue of the mothman in point pleasant in a yearly festival celebrating the
creature and the town here's what you've missed on the latest episode of revs beat ow in the middle
of this town is a giant metal sculpture of the mothman but looks absolutely freaky is that like

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some six pack abs there I see yeah he's got a full on six pack no it looks like he's wearing wrestling
trunks too to be perfectly honest with me and it does and then does he have like duck feet
you got beautiful butterfly wings that are torn is that chest hair it really looks like either
chest hair or moth moth moth on the moth on the moth but he's got some bag berry sculpted pecs

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yeah like a crazy six it is absolutely ridiculous check out this episode ed more
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okay well do you think tarot would take your mind off the dolls a little bit I hope so

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oh so we're using my crow deck I don't know I didn't have like a deck that like screamed abandoned
places but my crow deck seemed like I don't know I think that's I think that's a good call are there
crows in england then let us know yeah I think so does england have crows I just think it fits for me

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because like abandoned places especially this one that we've been scrolling through the photos up
there's just so much stuff yeah and crows they like to bring you presents so they do they like shiny
things they like trash they like to eat trash so yeah so I would just hope that none of my
girlfriends would bring me any porcelain dolls and then and then we're good really really stuck on that

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um my dream is to have crows bring me like a porcelain doll eyeball because it's like little enough
it's shiny how cool would that be oh oh I can't wait to be a forest which okay
hey so we're thinking about abandoned places send me your send me your energy specifically right now

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cuz like I feel like that where is that would you ever go to an abandoned place I mean it depends
on the place but yeah I don't have anything against a location or a space just based on the fact that
it's abandoned right actually kessie we kind of well you weren't there but I kind of have been to

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an abandoned place with criss we went to tunnel 13 oh that's true yeah yeah you did and I should say
too I don't think we said in in Ben's interview but like don't trust fast um yeah we're just we're
listening to his story his experiences he's his own person he does what he wants to do yeah um

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we're not telling you guys to go and find places that are abandoned to like trust pass on just because
they're cool absolutely I just want to make that absolutely no I think what I think what is the
episode two it goes all the way back to episode two it's dick road don't be a dick just go as far as
you're allowed to go um but if you do go further you can always write it to stories and do what's safe

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and reasonable yeah yeah don't put yourself in danger and we definitely talked about it too in
the interview like there can be people yeah I'm sure like all kinds of things that can present
some challenges and some dangers so yeah you know just to be cautious of that don't be silly
and danger but yeah speaking of I probably wouldn't go to like in a band-in-place if it had like no

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trust passing signs all over it because like we said it before and I I realized I sound like a
hypocritical sometime because I say I'm a sucker for rules but like rules like that that like makes sense
you know yeah I think rules like no trust passing but makes sense to me it's not my property so like
I can respect that kind of rule if the rules don't make sense to me and they're like unnecessary

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then I'm like fuck rules I hate rules yeah yeah like don't buy your own tarot deck that kind of rule
I just realized I'm always like fuck rules and then I'm like I'm a sucker for the rules and I'm like I'm
I'm a paradox well I do think you know part of being an adult and part of being you know somebody who

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exists in the world as an adult is learning to decipher what you think has value and there are
rules that make sense to keep you safe or that you feel like makes sense to you and then there are
rules that um you know some asshole made up so right exactly I'm glad we cleared that it's been

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bothering yeah okay so I'm gonna kind of I feel like it needs to be at the bottom of like kind of the
thick stack down here yeah like basically where your pinky is kind of pull everything out here your
other pinky oh this yeah this way there you go yeah yeah yeah okay so like the bottom of this one

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or the top of this one I think the top of the other yeah this one we got woohoo we just didn't
we just get oh this is eight we got the eight of swords in reverse and this kind of definitely
looks like an apocalypse jixie in here that would make me abandon a place wow it's like a crow tied

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up in like a red scarfit looks like yeah eyes are covered there's a bunch of cool there's eight
swords around them I can't tell if that's just like the sky like the sunset it kind of looks like
the sunset through a bunch of clouds it does yeah but it also kind of looks like a mushroom cloud like
apocalyptic scene you know wow interesting okay it is swords in reverse okay the eight of swords

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our keywords are entrapments self-unduing fear helplessness bondage denial and deception dude so
that's that's ringing a bell for you it this is kind of crazy yeah okay it's just reminding me of
something specific that we talked about in the interview oh okay okay like kind of creepily yeah

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no this is like it's all coming back you know oh I mean I don't know I know and I'm gonna have to
tell you okay well so one of the places that he went into was an abandoned place where
prison uh no not a prison it was a house where a woman murdered her parents and like I think wrapped

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them up and like had them in a closet for four years oh so I'm like and you said like entrapment
well and think about the imagery of the card bondage yeah they're all like wrapped like it's wrapped
up and it's like inside of the swords oh that's creepy okay in many decks the eight of swords

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shows a person bound and blindfolded ringed by a prison of swords dude it's like making me want to
cry feel so bad for these people I know that's awful because swords represent thoughts and beliefs
this card says you've created your own prison with your ideas and only you can free yourself okay

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she lived in that house for four fucking years dude with her parents in the closet
well maybe okay before I go to the interpretation I'm gonna read you one of the extra excerpts here
maybe this isn't the classiest connection to make but it says the only thing we have to fear is fear

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itself it's a quote by Franklin D Rose about okay I'm like okay well she wasn't afraid to have a
couple of he well that that makes me feel better because that just like reminds me of Ben just like
going to these abandoned places sometimes he goes alone yeah and he's like he says he's kind of

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scared sometimes but like not really you know so he's just very brave in these situations I feel like
yeah oh my gosh there's these ran into people too and he had to like think on his toes and like come
up with an excuse of like why he's there and yeah okay to break through the barrier you felt you
must change the way you see and do things sometimes this means rejecting social norms or going

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against the status quo I mean don't do that if you're murdering people and keeping them in your
right I think I feel like this is more of a a tie in to Ben who's obvious yeah um doing something
very outside of maybe the beaten path oh totally and like people from his TikTok like reported him

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for going into that house really yeah wow he like got reported to the cops so that's interesting
he's definitely doing things that no one else is doing yeah you also need to get focused and get
moving perhaps you have your head in the clouds the reverse eight warns you need to get your affairs
in order or the situation could worsen oh no is that like a warning to Ben I'm not sure I don't know

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I don't either not sure how to take that exactly he's safe yeah well I was going to say I mean the
fact that like he's had people reporting him if he's had you know run in when he's actually
been on site that does sort of like my first thought was oh my gosh be safe yeah please yeah in a

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reading about money this card says you may not be dealing forthrightly with a financial problem
if you've been putting off paying your taxes for example or settling a legal matter take care
of it promptly to avoid more trouble sometimes this eight indicates bad advice or deception

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if the reading is about your job the reverse eight tells you to stop playing the victim you may feel
persecuted trapped or limited in your work but you must take responsibility for where you're at
and do something about it inner reading about love oh boy you may feel tied to a person

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perhaps because you're afraid to be alone or unwilling to support yourself which that's interesting
because she kept her parents in the home it's like yeah she very easily could have I I suppose gotten
rid of their bodies but it's almost like she didn't want to be alone oh that's like a very

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disturbed person for sure yeah absolutely well and so much of this is about your your mind almost
becoming like a it's a prison for your thoughts and so I think that kind of makes sense I mean for
someone who's in that sort of a state and I feel like you're sort of trapped in a way too because you

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obviously can't really have like people over I don't know if she was like leaving the house at all
or if she was like too scared to leave that someone would find them while she was gone I mean I really
don't know the situation but I only imagine like yeah wow you just must feel so trapped having that
hang over your head for four years too yeah that's a long time to live with that information

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this card can mean you're not facing up to what's really going on if you've been listening to
someone else's advice the time has come to listen to your inner guidance okay there is one
additional extra excerpt and I'm I'll read that and then you can share any other thoughts that you

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have about yeah I have one more thought I think okay I think many of our fears are tissue paper thin
and a single courageous step would carry us clear through them wow it's interesting I feel like
we're getting like mixed messages a little bit here yeah well I think you have obviously

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if we're picking up on the different energies that are related to kind of all of the different I
mean it really runs gamut but you know bends energy is going to be very different than that of
you know the abandoned murder house yeah and like your energy to I was asking for your energy and

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that's funny it talked about like fear the only thing you fear is fear itself I'm afraid that I will be
to afraid and you probably want to be blindfolded so you don't have to see the dolls I don't want to be
anywhere near dolls blindfolded but if you don't see them are they there yes is that a serious question

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you can feel them okay I'm done what a ridiculous person yeah okay so the last the last thought I
had was it kind of reminded me of see I'm trying to think and talk and it's not working well
it's tough it's tough like when I say we're not giving you advice to go and do these things like you

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have to make up your own decision and that's basically like the last thing that you said there was like
you know don't follow other people's advice just do your own what like feels good to you basically
that's right just say okay wow that fit that was good yeah yeah um
woo this is okay so there's another card and it was like the one at the bottom that I was kind of

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eyeballing mm-hmm when we split the deck it was that this one at the bottom yeah it's the justice card
oh in reverse oh which is also interesting because we all you know justice it's kind of a
self-explanatory I feel like yeah I don't know if you want to peruse given the nature of our show

(55:35):
right interesting too it's another blind red blindfolded bird oh yeah kind of a different
variation of binding but that premise is still there and the imagery on these cards do like look like

(55:56):
abandoned places kind of a look that is yeah really interesting they do like with peeling wallpaper
and paint and stuff is what that one looks like keywords are rectification decision
binding balance and legal matters which I think all speaks for itself yeah um okay

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the justice card often depicts a female figure robed and crowned or sometimes armoured
she holds a sword symbol of the air element and the mind in one hand and in the other a set of scales
oh she's holding a sword and we got swords for the other card we did yeah in some deck she appears

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nude with arms outstretched in a balanced position or she stands between a large set of scales while
holding a smaller set this justice isn't blind or blindfolded however her eyes are open
suggesting divine justice is that work here rather than the laws of humankind to me I read that

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almost as like somebody who gets away with that for four years and then I don't know what the
circumstances were of the discovery and her capture subsequently but yeah me either um that almost
seems like there's like divine intervention in putting a stop to that yeah interesting the justice

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card can represent an actual legal matter or someone who works in the judicial system
whatever the situation you must weigh many factors in order to make a reasoned decision
hmm which honestly that kind of makes me think um we were sort of speculating wildly about you

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know the mental health of someone who would remain in their home with two people that they have
killed um and worse yet their own parents but that makes me think of like you have to sort of take
into account maybe the mental health of someone who committed this crime as you think about
maybe sentencing them that is true yeah yeah justice reversed indicates delays in legal matters

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or unfairness in some other situation there was certainly a delay a little bit that's exactly
where my mind went if you're the person in power you may be unduly severe in meeting out punishment
if you're in the powerless position you may feel angry or resentful at being treated unfairly wow

(58:34):
your equilibrium is out of whack and you may swing from one extreme to the other that almost makes me
think of like a apparent child relationship right because yeah how many times has like an angry
kid or teenager said that's not fair yeah does that's kind of the vibe it's giving me

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in reading about money you may encounter a loss in a legal matter or feel a financial decision
isn't fair oh yeah now I want to look more into this story and see like what happened like I know
how like did anything come out in the courts of like why oh my god so I mean there's got to be more
information about this case yeah perhaps you'll be required to make restitution to someone

(59:20):
this card can also represent delays or complications in receiving money that's due to you
maybe life and sure and I don't think she's gonna get that payment no I don't think so not so much
but I wonder if like she was thinking if they're missing long enough oh yeah of course like kind of
the one we talked about with the missing family was that it were they had a certain amount of time

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to collect yeah we're just pretty typical um obviously it you know I have no idea what the what the
terms and conditions are over in England but here in Oregon even dating back to that case from
you know the late fifties um it was like seven years so yeah huh if the reading is about your job

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justice reversed can signify an imbalance in your workplace or a lack of cooperation
or this card may point oh may mean you have to account for an action or mistake
in some cases it may point to a legal issue involving the organization you work for
interesting interesting inner reading about love you may feel a relationship lacks balance

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one of you has more power or control than the other sometimes this card indicates having to
answer for an indiscretion or wrongful action yeah I should say so no notes yeah
wow I think we found a lot of good connections with that that's crazy yeah I'm glad I remembered

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to pull that card out from the end because I was thinking about it while you were picking the other
sign I'm like yeah I like both sides for this yeah yeah there's definitely some really interesting
parallels and like like literally just the connection between the two cards like the red ribbon

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blindfold and the sword thing like yeah have a creepy birthday we'll see you next Tuesday
unless you get lost in an abandoned place forever and ever or there's a porcelain doll outside your door

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I like how he did a high pitched and I said no yeah housekeeping oh my god we're here to
bring your brain okay well I it turns out I have a thing so I gotta my ubers here
oh my god man I have to have Chris log me back into the cameras because I'm not going to build go

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to my door either oh no because what if there's a doll at my door I'm so sorry there's not going to
be a doll at your door okay. (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)