Haunted Holidays: From Dickens to Hat Man

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I'm sitting here looking at this thing and I'm like trying to figure out like what am I seeing?

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And so I remember trying to call down to my friend and wake her up and see her like she was seeing this too.
I couldn't get her to wake up.
Oh, which I feel like was kind of weird.
Probably thankfully for her, I don't know. I don't know what would have happened.
Yeah.
If she did wake up.
That's interesting.
Oh, I love it.

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[CLAP] And scene.
Oh, ho, ho.
I'm out of Christmas clothes as we previously discussed.
So I'm on to just whiskey, winter weather.
Yeah, just winter weather.
Yeah, it's winter vibes.

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Not everyone celebrates Christmas.
It's fine.
We don't have to be Christmasy every day in December.
Right.
Some people celebrate whiskey weather.
Yeah.
Anyway, I did not run out of Christmas clothes.
As you can see, I have two Christmas sweaters.
Yeah.
One by me, one on me.
I guess I should have asked to borrow one.
Yeah.
I do have a Santa hat.

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I guess I could have put that on.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, Cassie.
Hi, creepy people.
Hello.
We just kind of started talking.
No, we did.
That's now we're starting.
Okay.
And here we are.
Cheers.
And then we'll start.
Okay.
We're real.
We're real.
Happy holidays.
If you didn't know who we were, we're PNW Haunts and Homicides, where me and Caitlyn chat about true crime,

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the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
That felt very pointed.
I feel like she wants me to say something.
It's PNW.
If you're nasty.
And you're nasty.
And we know you are.
And we also do a terror reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into what we're talking about that day.

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And have a little fun.
Have a little palette cleanser.
So we have some business before we start our business.
Do we?
We do actually.
And this has kind of been old one.
I don't know if you guys remember Lori from the Portland Ghost Tours episode.
That was our Halloween episodes.
If you haven't watched it yet or listened to it, go back.

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It's really fun.
Yeah.
Lori's a great storyteller and she gets so into it that she sometimes mistakes her words, which we do too.
We say wrong words all the time.
Don't even realize it, especially me.
It's happened once or twice.
So when she watched the episode, I got this text from Lori and she said, oh my God, the mirror from the Benson, the giant Benson.

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Yeah, the Benson.
Yeah.
Is from France and she mistakenly said Germany, which I didn't even.
Oh, and she said Austria.
Maybe.
But she says it's from France.
I can't believe I made that mistake.
The building is the French Empire exterior.
Yes.
And the building was designed by a Portland architect that designed a mini iconic Portland buildings.

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I love it.
So anyway, she wanted me to make that little correction for you guys, but got your storytelling was just so good that I don't think anyone would notice.
And if you do and you're that nitpicky that someone just makes a little mistake, then.
Yeah, whatever.
Get out of here.
Get over yourself.
And I will say too, whether it was, you know, a mirror that came from France, Germany or Austria, it's like.

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Well, that's like saying something is from like Washington state.
Oops, it's actually from Oregon.
Right.
It's like that's like our next door neighbor.
It's, you know, not to say that it's like all the same or anything like that.
I don't know geography.
It could be anywhere.
I don't know.
No, no, I mean, those are all like neighboring countries in Europe.

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So I feel like there's influences from each of them.
So.
And there's been either there's like a plaque on it too.
So if you go and actually visit it, you can read the plaque and you can, you know, do a little fact checking on everyone.
Everyone you talk to if they give you a fact, which this did happen to me recently.

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And I repeated the fact on the show.
And then I was like, wait, I'm going to Google that and I did.
And it was totally wrong.
So I cut it out.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, we also have some Patreon shout outs.
We do.
Yeah, we have a few new Patreon members.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
First, we have Monica and Jan who subscribed for a year at the dollar tier.

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A whole year.
A whole last year.
A whole year of a year.
A whole year of a year.
Sorry about it.
Yeah.
A whole year of crazy ass.
Here is a.
Don't subscribe.
Yeah.
Didn't we have someone who recently like upgraded to.
I created.
Yes.

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Amy, right?
Yes.
I'm positive.
It was Amy.
Amy, if it wasn't you, then you don't even know what we're talking about.
So it could be anybody that we're talking about.
No, I think you're right because Amy also reached out because we sent a newsletter because
we do that sometimes.
Probably not enough to justify what we pay for the service that like helps us do that.

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But you would like to help us with newsletters.
Please contact us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we did say like if there are people that are interested in, you know, becoming Facebook
admins or, you know, just different things that like they want to be involved in reach out
to us.
And I was like, I actually, I didn't think that we got any responses right away.

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And then I went back and looked like a week later and I was like, Oh my god, I feel so bad.
I don't know how I didn't see this, but people did respond.
Oh, yeah.
We had people that.
We have someone that's setting up a discord for us.
Yes.
That's so exciting.
Because I have no clue.
I went on there a couple of times for some other stuff and I was like, this, I don't understand.

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This is too much for me.
I can't do this.
I feel like I get it in theory, but also it's just one of those things where we've talked
about this so many times.
It's just, it's so time consuming to do like initial setup and, yeah.
And you know, the other thing is we can't be in all places at the same time.
So we're not Santa.

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You guys.
Yeah.
Hardly.
We're Ho Ho Ho's, but we are not Santa.
Ho Ho Ho Ho.
So.
And our next feature on Shoutout is very exciting.
Just particularly because YouTube is kind of new-ish for us, but we had somebody that actually
found us through YouTube.

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Hi.
Hi.
Hi.
And is now subscribing at the, what is she think and I love it?
I love it.
And I love it at $20 for a month.
Think with two C's.
Think with two C's.
Because there's two C's here.
Yeah.
That's correct.
I feel like I just did like the dog head tilt.

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Oh.
Thank you, Lando.
Thank you.
I hope you enjoy all of the shenanigans.
Yeah.
That happens on Patreon.
Oh.
And I also saw when I was on Patreon that you can gift people Patreon memberships.
Yes.
So if you need to get someone a Christmas present, get them a Patreon membership to our, what's

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it called?
Our page.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I actually, I did send that out to our, um, all of our newsletter subscribers.
Nice.
Yeah.
I'm sure, and I'm sure like if you listen to literally any other podcast on God's green
earth, everybody has been talking about it because this is something that both creators

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and people that like support them have been asking for four years.
Yeah.
Like since before we ever started our own podcast.
Yeah.
I could see why it's a good, like, a little gift.
Like a unique type of gift that's not just like, oh, here's a gift card or something.

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Like if you find out someone's favorite podcast.
Yeah.
I feel like that's something where, you know, people talk about different, I mean, whether
it's a podcast or a different type of creator that like, oh, I really like this.
That's such a thoughtful, like thing to be able to say.
Oh, now you like get their, you know, whatever their bonus content is.
I think it's cool.

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I think so too.
Yeah.
You are interested in gifting a Patreon membership to someone or I don't know, I think you could
probably technically use it for yourself.
Creepy person in your life that might be you.
Yeah.
I'm creepy as a cult coming from inside the house.
It is.
It almost always is.

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I will go ahead and get the link over to our show notes so that we can let people know
how to use that, how to do it.
Do the things.
Do it.
Do it.
Be like Lando.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Monica and Jan and everyone else who's on our Patreon, we love you.
Thank you so much.

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I don't know if we say it enough, but thank you so much.
I know.
It's really awesome.
This is hard and we need your help.
So thank you.
I know.
And you know what?
I will try to stay on track and like actually do our show after this, but this is our
show.
But I do think that now we're kind of getting to a number of Patreons and people are sort

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of getting.
Now people are finding us on YouTube and there's a lot of things that you can do to support
creators through like the other platforms.
But I think it's probably time to get our heads together and think about some Patreon
goals and some different like rewards and things that we can do.

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Like when we reach certain numbers of members, I have some ideas.
We've been done a giveaway and I wish to give away.
While I was thinking that for sure.
Yeah.
Stay tuned.
Always, stay tuned always.
Just do it.
Remember when we ask people, just play it constantly even if you're not listening to it.

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But well, speaking of Patreon and gifts and things that we send people for free because we love
you and you're giving us money so you send you stuff for free.
We had a story from one of my friends, Jessica, who is a Patreon member who told me something
that happened with the spell jars.

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Oh, stop it!
Yeah.
Our spell jars!?
So if you guys didn't know, if you're super new, we sometimes will send, we'll put together
a little spell jars with a certain purpose.
Like we've done a good luck one.
A, what was the other one, self-love one?
Yeah.
I think those are the two we've done.
Yeah, those are the two we've done so far.

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And then we send them to you guys just, you know, see how a little something, something
fun and witchy and cool.
Yeah.
And this was one of the good luck spell jars.
Okay.
And I will read you.
She sent me this little story in a text message.
I did have to redact some information.
Okay.
That's fair.
Just because, well, you'll see.

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I'm so excited.
Yeah.
Because I don't, I know I told you this at the time.
I don't know if you remember.
We had someone that was not a member of the Patreon yet, but has since become one, what
up?
Hey, I think, I think you'll know who I'm talking about.
Okay.
Hi, Sam.
Hi, Sam.

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Hi, Sam.
Um, he actually reached out to us when we started talking about the spell jars that we sent
out and he said, can I buy one?
Oh, yeah.
He's like, I want to become a member of the Patreon, but I just, you know, I'm not ready yet.
But like if it's a one time thing, can I do that?
And we were like, I guess so.

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Like, I don't see why not.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
If you want a spell jar, I'll hit us up.
Oh, I was thinking about starting a netsy shop.
Yeah.
I don't know how that works.
So that seems like a lot of work.
It really does.
We'll figure it out.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Jessica's driving in her car and she says, I had a close encounter due to my poor judgment
of distance.
It's happened to me a lot.

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Yeah.
And I thought for sure the other car was going to slam into my rear.
That's what she said.
And somehow the car and I were safe.
So this has happened to me before because I have like my little bat protector, my bat
being in my car.
That is just like my, I say it's my protector.
Yeah.

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This has happened to me so many times where I think, like I'm for sure getting hit.
Like it's in my car.
I don't know.
And then it doesn't hit me.
Don't know how it happens.
But we both have something that hangs from our rear view mirror.
That is like our little like kind of protector thing.
Maybe that should be our next Patreon gift.

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I was seeing like a protection jar.
Yeah.
I don't know if you necessarily want that hanging from your mirror.
Maybe.
I just feel like sometimes go ask and like if it swings and I don't know.
Yeah.
We're in a noodle on it.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
I'm going to stop saying that I swear.
So she goes on to say my instant thought was that it must have been the good luck spell

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jar.
Like well, dirt.
So that's your first thought like if that's the first thing you think of then yes, that
is it.
Like that's your intuition talking to you, right?
Yeah.
I think you know, your first instinct is usually correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then so she had me make her another one.
Oh.
Because she was like, well, then I want to like keep one.

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I want one with me all the time.
There's one in the car and one with me all the time.
I love it.
I love it.
So she says, when you gave me the second one, I put it in the car's glove compartment
and the other one is in my backpack.
So it's always with me.
Okay.
So the back windshield got smashed at a trail head.

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Well, they were parked in the I think in the parking lot.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like a trail head parking lot.
So like that's not good.
Obviously, that's not very good luck.
But it could have been a lot worse because there were wallets in the redacted because I
don't want you guys to know where they hide their wallet.
I knew it.
But they were left unfound and they only stole a cooler full of beer, a bike pump and some

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used deodorant.
So like they don't really get like the beer sucks.
You got to get your window fixed.
But that's some of the insurance is for them assuming.
Yeah.
I mean, as someone who has been through the same thing, it's not great.
But you can have that fixed for like, you know, depending on your car and where you live

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and all that.
And maybe a couple hundred bucks tops.
Yeah.
Not great.
Well, that would suck if they also found like the wallets and anything else you might have
had in your car that was worth anything.
Exactly.
I think it did work.
Uh huh.
And it was just a little guy.
So like, I don't know maybe I need to make her like a mason jar.
Seriously.

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She needs like the big girl size.
But you know, it's not all about size.
It's about intention.
It's true.
You know, what you do with it.
Coming for me, that's funny.
You should not be ocean or something about that.
I was like, cushion for the push and I was like, wait, that's not even that's not even what

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that means at all.
That's not at all related.
That's what I know.
I got that cushion.
But if anyone has any other stories with their spell jars, if you have some good luck
with it, if you have more self love because of it, I love myself love spell jar.
It's my favorite.
It's by my bed and I just look at it.

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You have one too.
I have like a teeny teeny winy one.
Yeah.
You have one of the bigger girl sizes.
Yeah.
And then I wrote, maybe we should do a straight up protections bell jar next time.
That's so crazy.
Because we're always telling people to be safe too.
Yeah.
So I think protection is probably coming.

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I have so much black salt in preparation for this.
Do you?
So much.
I love it because you know, I love nothing more than a nice fire and we've been doing
them nightly.
Yeah.
Nightly and ever so rightly.
Yeah, I think it's fun to just like take the ashes and just mishmash minds usually like

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incense ashes.
Oh, yeah.
And then I add glitter to it because it's more fun with glitter.
Adorable.
Chris is like, can you do this outside?
My husband would be like, this seems like an outdoor project.
But it's glitter inside of black salt.
So it's fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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It's not as glittery, you know?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll let you explain that to him.
Well, should we get into some some holly jolliness?
Why do I feel like is that a euphemism?
No.
Yeah.
Also, I'm going to talk about a different song.
So that was kind of stupid.
So like the song, it's the most wonderful time of the year says it's time for scary ghost

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stories.
What?
No, scary ghost stories and something else in it.
I only know the scary ghost story part.
It doesn't know.
It's in the song.
Okay.
But I don't think they mean it like.
Oh, no, they mean it.

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They mean it.
Because I'm like, but wait, why are we trying to scare people during the hollyous jollyous
season?
Yeah.
I feel like it begs the question.
Well, I'll tell you why.
Okay.
Because I did a little research on Wax.
So it's very curious.
So thought that during the Victorian era, which is from 1837 to 1901.

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And I googled that when Queen Victoria ruled Great Britain and Ireland, which I'm not going
to know, I've heard the term like Victorian era before.
I did not relate it to like that was the person literally ruling.
Cassie.
This bitch is iconic.
She's the reason people wear white wedding dresses.

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Really?
Yeah.
Wasn't really a thing before her.
Oh, well, thanks for nothing.
I mean, people just loved it so much.
It just like she is like the original influencer.
That's so cool.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
You said that because I just watched the Martha Stewart documentary and she is like the

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original influencer.
Yes.
I haven't finished it yet, but I was literally thinking about it as I tied our Christmasy
bow on the wine bottle because I was like, show it.
So it's like such a Martha Stewart.
It's such a Martha Stewart moment.
What really is?
I mean, it's not probably the most Martha Stewart effort with the bow.

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I'm sure she would ridicule you for that.
The thing I learned about Martha is a bitch.
It's like fine for like dudes to be rude and stuff, but it's like automatically a woman
is a bitch.
But like to me, it's not okay to be rude and like demeaning and demoralizing to people.
Yeah.
So like I have respect for her, but she's not the nice person.

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No, I mean, she really is just like objectively like kind of not a nice person.
Yeah.
And yeah, I do think we definitely give more of a pass to a man for sure, you know?
So it's like it's frustrating on like that side of the token, but also like, okay, just
don't be a dick.

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Yeah.
But it's hard because she was like raised the way she was raised.
It was like not great.
And yeah.
So anyway, lots of struggles, but yeah, but she is who she is.
Everybody got problems.
I don't think she deserved what she got.
Some people got 99 of them in a bitch ain't one.
You know?
Yeah.
Just saying.

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Anyway, watch the documentary.
It was good.
Yeah.
I want to finish it.
You should finish it.
You have to finish it.
I have to know what happens.
Obviously.
Okay.
So Victoria, she was the queen.
She was the it girl.
She was literally it.
I wrote history.
Am I right?
Her story.
Her story.

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Her story.
Any who's all as Caitlin was saying.
During this time, there wasn't electricity, I guess.
I mean, certainly not widespread.
That's what the research told me.
Yeah.
So during the winter, people were obviously going to be hanging around the fireplace.
It's dark.
It's a naturally spooky environment that kind of lends well to telling scary stories.

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Ooh.
And what, you know, get a cozy up to your lover.
Whatever and get spooky.
A lot of people were also not able to read at this point in time.
So these are mostly like oral stories and local stories too, that people were telling.
Sure.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
As time went on, more and more people were learning to read and things like the steam-powered

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printing press were allowing for cheaper, faster printing.
Also Christmas was starting to be more widely celebrated in general.
So people decided to put their oral traditions into print for Christmas.
So people could read.
So people could read.
What a bunch of nerds.
But they're reading scary stories.
So that makes them like unnerdy immediately.

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Like cool nerds.
Cool nerds, yeah.
Which to be honest, all nerds are cool.
Yeah.
Who are we getting?
Nerds are cool.
We love you guys, because we are you.
We are you.
We are you.
You ever heard of one, uh, Charles Dickens?
Charles.
Charles.
Charlie's gonna bust in here, thinking we're calling him.
Well, he's laying on his bed right now.

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Oh, he's in here?
Oh, yeah.
Charlie.
He looks like, uh, like an English author right now, because he has on his little kind of,
uh, it's like a plaid jacket.
He kind of looks like he's, um, about to make tenure.
You should take a picture of him so we can insert it.
Okay.
So in case you didn't know who Charles, this, this Charles Dickens guy is, he wrote, and

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I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying the most popular holiday season ghost story,
a Christmas Carol.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's probably fair.
Where Ebeneez is Scrooge.
Ebeneez.
Ebeneez.
Ebeneez.
Get on your knees.
Yeah.
Anyways, where Ebeneez or Scrooge gets visited by three ghosts on Christmas Eve.

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And obviously it's not strictly a spooky tale.
It does incorporate the heartfelt life lessons and warm fuzzies.
I grab my boobs and I say, yeah, my, they are warm.
They are fuzzy.
Mine are fuzzy.
Oh, well, you got a fuzzy.
Yeah.
That makes so sweaty right now.
Are you, are you too warm?
I'm like moist.

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Oh.
Yeah, because that's like a polyester blend.
So I bet you're real.
Yeah.
It's holding all of your juices in.
I'm just trying to sweat out the toxins, you guys.
Yeah.
So much toxins.
I got to be pure for Santa, okay?
Like the driven snow.
Yeah, that's me.

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Yeah.
Okay, so warm fuzzies, which is how the US largely likes their holiday stories.
True.
Like super hallmark.
I just watched the funniest fucking movie.
It's on Netflix.
I don't know if it's hallmark or not, but it's called Hot Frosty.
Hot.
Oh boy.

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It's kind of like Frosty, the snowman, where a very sexy snowman comes to life.
I don't remember that being part of it.
It's, yeah, well, it's a new version of Frosty, the snowman.
Okay.
Hot Frosty, it's like trash holiday, but it's like so good, you know?
Yeah, very kids.
Very kids.
And is that the one?

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There was one that, you know, that girl that was in mean girls.
Like in all the hallmark movies.
Regina.
Oh, she's got the brown hair.
I forget which one she plays.
Hmm.
Okay.
I might have to investigate this.
I do not partake in a lot of like the hallmark Christmas movies.

(25:19):
It's like historically not been one of like my guilty pleasures.
Yeah.
I generally don't either if it's on Netflix though.
Yeah.
I'll probably watch it.
Yeah.
It just depends.
Yeah.
So however believe that it should be a Christmas tradition for my family, hopefully
they're watching and listening to watch the Shark Nito where Santa is involved.

(25:45):
Yeah.
I've never seen any of those movies.
Yeah.
I hadn't either.
But also in that movie, one of the main characters is named Cody.
And I was going to say does your brother make you watch this during?
No.
I don't really care for this.
Okay.
So if you're not familiar with the lore, at some point we just asked my brother is, I don't

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think currently, but as a child, he was very like adamant that sharks were like our
friends.
That's the long and the short of it.
Yeah.
This was during lockdown and it didn't take much to entertain us at that point, but I could
have pissed my pants laughing.
Look at a light, you know.
I'm going to have to watch that now.
You have to let me know which one it is.

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So anyway, this chick was in Mean Girls.
She is in a lot of Hallmark movies now.
And so is Lindsay Lohan is in like these Netflix, like cheesy movies.
Oh, I thought Hallmark.
Okay.
Okay.
Like Hallmark, I don't know.
Okay.
It's like Hallmark-esque, but not Hallmark channel.
There are Hallmark movies on Netflix though.
And I can't, I don't know if who's making them.

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If it's Hallmark or Netflix, I don't know.
But it's, you know, that type of like cheesy vibe Christmas movie.
And Lindsay Lohan is in a few of those now.
Oh, okay.
Well, they showed a clip from one of the Lindsay Lohan.
It was like a commercial inside of this movie.
And she's, they're flipping through the channels and she's like in, in one of these movies

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on the TV in this hot, frosty movie.
Oh, boy.
And the girl was like, oh, she looks like someone I went to high school with and I was like,
Mean Girl reference.
I know her.
Oh my God.
It was so cute.
But it was like so like inception.
It was like so many different things inside this one scene.
Yeah, a little bit of an Easter egg.

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Yeah, it was so cute.
I love that.
That's totally, you know, we're talking about Christmas.
I had to tell that.
I was going to say speaking of the birth of Christ.
Lindsay Lohan, the resurrection.
Yeah.
You get, you know, anyways.
Yes, I don't.
I don't.
Well, because, okay.
So Christmas in theory is, you know, about the birth of Christ.

(27:54):
Right.
Easter is related to Easter eggs.
I didn't even did not even put together that Easter egg.
It says the word Easter because I'm so used to using.
Easter egg means something totally different.
It's like something Taylor Swiftie to me now.
Right.
Right.
Or like, you know, like a streamer or a gamer term.

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It's not at all religious.
No.
Typically, that's so funny.
Well, I mean, either our Easter eggs, if you think about it, like, what?
It comes out of a bunny's butt.
So like, what?
I'm sorry.
I don't know that we ever established that, but...
The bunny poofs a metal decorated.
Isn't that how that works?

(28:36):
I think we probably need to move on, but we're going to circle back to that.
Let's talk about the city's time.
Okay.
Okay.
That's fair.
So we talked about how the US likes their hallmark holiday type movies where it's all
just warm, fuzzy and...
Yeah.
So it's just a little bit more predictable and easy.
Imagine this.

(28:57):
Well, the British had tons of different ghost stories.
But the only one that really stuck in America was a Christmas Carol.
Okay.
Mainly because it was such...
It was just such a popular story.
Yeah.
It was basically a staple.
So it kind of just like, we can't stay up here as well.
But not all of the other ghost stories.
Just this one.

(29:18):
Well, I mean, it's classic.
It's got like a very timeless message, I think.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
I didn't look into the history of Charles Dickens.
I don't know if he was already pretty famous or not, but he became obviously a well-known
writer.
Yeah.
Not sure.
I will point in his trajectory.
I didn't pull at that ugly Christmas sweater thread.

(29:43):
So Americans weren't really interested in having the paranormal invade their sickeningly
sweet holidays.
Very sacri-
And plus we already had this little holiday for ghosts called Halloween Halloween that we
already started celebrating apparently.
Anyone.
So basically we did what Americans do and we kind of categorize everything and we said,

(30:06):
okay, ghosts belong to Halloween and they can't be in Christmas.
Bid, bid, bid, bid.
Only Halloween.
Because we like to put things in little boxes and people can't go outside the boxes.
I think that's a very human nature thing.
I think some cultures maybe more or less, but just go eat, put it on Americans, okay?

(30:27):
Yeah.
I mean, you're not wrong.
I'm one of them, so I'm pooping on myself with fun.
Wow.
I try not to put things in boxes though.
Yeah.
Unless it's a dick.
That's right.
Classic.
That's like a Christmas song, dick and a ball?
It is.
Because it's like a box.
It's like a present.
Yeah.
We're so themy.

(30:48):
I can't.
Very themy.
Speaking of like, fuck Americans, right?
Let's change this sickeningly sweet storytelling and let's tell some fucking scary ghost stories
for Christmas.
All right.
First of all, I'd like to issue a correction because I feel like maybe it's a little bit more
fuck capitalism than Americans, but like, you know.

(31:11):
Yeah, that's true.
Everyone knows what I mean.
I just mean I literally want to fuck everyone.
Ooh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
So my gift to all of you this year.
Well, she said I didn't wrap it.
But I have a scary ghost story of my own that I've never told.

(31:32):
Woo.
And this is my gift to you guys.
I love it.
Because you know, I don't really have ghost experiences.
I have like one or two.
No, because you want it too badly.
Yeah.
And then I had all that, you know, the sleep paralysis stuff.
When I was little, if you haven't listened to our sleep paralysis episode, it's way back.
But I tell kind of my spooky experiences, but they're not really like ghost stories.

(31:57):
Yeah.
I pretty much only have like one ghost story.
And this is it.
I'm so excited.
I know me too.
And I was thinking I was like, wait, I didn't tell this, right?
I don't remember.
If I did, just forget.
And then I'll tell you again.
Yeah.
But I'm pretty sure I haven't because I was like saving it.
Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like I'd remember this.

(32:18):
Yeah.
I think I've mentioned it once or twice too.
Like I have a story.
I'm like, waiting for the right time.
The buildup.
Okay.
And I didn't want to do any research.
So, you know, this is the right time.
Yeah, there you go.
I needed an easy, an easy A.
Yeah.
So I had this experience and I was pretty young, I think eight or nine.

(32:42):
Okay.
It's a great set of stories.
Yeah.
So since I had so much sleep paralysis as a kid, I kind of, I think I always just assumed this
was that.
This was just like a sleep paralysis thing.
But it's different.
So different from any other of the experiences I've ever had.
Okay.
So yeah, I was like eight or nine and I was staying with my family at a friend's.

(33:07):
It was like a cabin type house.
Like kind of in the woods, like in the woods, you know?
Yeah.
It was in like the city woods.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And me and my friend, she was like two years younger than me.
We were sleeping in bunk beds and naturally I was on the top bunk.
So much room for activities.
We did so many activities.
I don't remember any of them, but I'm sure we did so many.

(33:29):
They were incredible.
No doubt.
Because we were always together.
She was like my sister growing up.
Oh, the door.
No.
Lovey Chrissy.
I don't know if I ever told her about this.
And she was in the room.
So I can't remember.
Yeah.
I can't remember if I told her about it or not.
So if she is listening, this might be new information for her.
Like God, I tell you about everything spooky that happens to me whether or not you're in

(33:52):
the room.
Yeah.
Now I would.
But then because I didn't tell anyone about my sleep paralysis stuff ever.
Yeah.
So I just don't think I would have told her.
I'm not really sure.
Yeah.
It was so long ago.
So we were sleeping in this room.
And I remember waking up and I think it was the middle of the night.

(34:14):
Not really sure.
There wasn't a clock.
I was a kid who knows.
It was dark from what it felt like.
It felt like the middle of the night.
But I wake up and I kind of like see this like bright orange like flickering light.
And I think that's why I woke up and it was like coming from the window.
So there was like a window I could see from the bunk bed.

(34:36):
I think it was just I was like laying like this.
I could see the window straight.
And it was like flickering orange.
So I opened my eyes.
And this is like the first thing that's wrong because I never opened my eyes when I'm having
sleep paralysis.
I don't know why.
I see things.
I like see crazy shit.
But it's like I can feel my eyes are closed.

(34:58):
So like I still know.
Yeah.
I know I'm kind of sleeping.
Yeah.
Because I feel like most people explain.
There's like a certain amount of like awareness of your own body.
You like yeah, I feel like most people report that they're very aware like oh no.
I mean this in between.
I'm not in control of my body.

(35:19):
But I'm yes.
Yes.
But you can't wear it.
Some people do open their eyes and they do see stuff like.
No.
Like actually hallucinate.
We've talked we if you need to go back and learn more about it.
There is a whole episode on it.
I think I'm good.
But yeah, one of my things with mine is I was either I couldn't open my eyes and I was like
half dreaming half awake or I was like fully awake, but I was just too scared to open my

(35:43):
eyes.
But this was just like waking up in the middle of the night and I see a flickering light
and I open my eyes and then I I'm looking at the window.
I like sit up and I again, I'm sitting up.
So I move.
I'm not.
Okay.
So you're very much awake.
Yeah.
And even like in a sleep paralysis dream.
I still can't move in the dream.

(36:04):
So like this is just like not I never realized it's just like completely different from any
sleep paralysis I've ever had.
And I'm looking at the window where the light is coming from and it looks like fire.
Like it's like flickering and moving like that orange light.
Like it just looks like fire.
And there's a silhouette of a man or I feel I don't know how to describe it, but I just

(36:29):
feel like it was like a younger male, like not a man.
Okay.
It was either like a adolescent like a teenage boy, maybe young adult.
I don't really know why I felt like that because it was just like the silhouette, like
a black shadow.
Like I couldn't see the face or make out really anything else other than I could see

(36:54):
like the shape of his hat.
And it was just like he had like a square on his head.
Like not a tall, not like a top, not like a Lincoln.
No.
A Lincoln, like a car.
No, not a car on his head.
Listen, I understood fully how little I should trust this person as soon as they were.

(37:17):
Okay.
I mean, number one, this situation is already bonks, but then they're wearing a hat.
And I'm like, I'm out.
I'm out.
Okay.
Right?
I just, I don't, I see hat man and I didn't even know what my whole life.
I don't trust a hat.
Like I didn't even know about hat man then.
You know?
Yeah.
Like I did.

(37:38):
I was watching ghost stuff.
I'm sure at the time, but I don't know if I knew about it.
I think you knew about hat man though.
And also like this hat didn't seem like any, it doesn't really seem like anything I'd
really heard about hat man wearing.
Usually like it's like a different type of hat I feel like.
Okay.
There are different stories of different hats.
But this just wasn't, it wasn't when I really associated with hat man.

(37:58):
So I don't, I still don't know.
Obviously, don't know what happened.
Yeah.
Hashtag never trust a hat.
But so when I started trying to like figure out what this hat, what like, why is he just,
it kind of just look like a box on his head, right?
Oh, that's so bizarre.
It was interesting.
So I started, I think I was listening to another episode about hat man and they mentioned

(38:21):
like a civil war hat and I was like, well, what does civil war hat look like?
And so I Google it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
and there's kind of like cowboy hat type things.
There's kind of stuff with like a bill, but there's also these like other hats called

(38:44):
Kepis.
Kind of like if you're wearing that, you can't really see the bill.
Yeah.
It's this hat that like, we'll post pictures obviously and like add pictures to the video,
but it does look like kind of just like a square on your head.

(39:06):
Like there's a bill, but you wouldn't be able to really see that if it's a silhouette.
It would literally just look like a square.
Yeah.
And that's, I didn't really think about because I, my whole life, I've been like, well, what
that was like a weird hat and it wasn't like a failure hat.
It wasn't like anything I was really thinking of, but obviously I never, when you're thinking

(39:29):
about that kind of thing, you're probably not like on your computer ready to Google it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's different from even just like a baseball cap.
You know what I mean?
It's, I don't know, it's strange.
And it wasn't like, I was thinking like page boy hats or kind of, but they're also kind
of like lumpy and like clop.
This was like really like, I felt like really straight.

(39:52):
Yeah.
I don't know.
So I feel like that was the kind of hat.
Like I can't think of any other hat.
And like, I'd never heard of another story that was specifically said like a Civil War type
hat.
Yeah.
And I think like both sides were them.
I don't know like which side it would have been.

(40:13):
But I think that was just of the time.
Yeah.
But I don't think people wore like normal people didn't wear hats like this.
Really?
I think so.
Like I said, I think that was just of the time.
Okay.
So just quick like AI overview.

(40:34):
No.
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War.
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.

(40:55):
It was like a military hat.
And they did come from like I think like the Russian military or something.
There are like taller hats that were like more formally.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(41:16):
Yeah.
They're kepties were like a little bit more different.
It wasn't like that.
So it was definitely like one of these Civil War era.
Interesting.
I just assumed that was like kind of the style of hats at that point in history.
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess not.
So we kind of figured out I guess what kind of hat, which was like really...

(41:38):
Yeah.
I don't know.
It was crazy to me when I actually found it.
So I was like, oh, like that's probably what I was seeing.
Yeah.
It was just weird because I never really looked into it.
So yeah, again, all I was seeing was like this black shadow silhouette couldn't make out
anything except for it did look like the longer I looked it.
It looked like there was fire behind him.

(41:59):
It's crazy.
Yeah.
It was so creepy.
He was facing me.
It looked like he was just staring like straight in the window.
Ooh.
And I think it was like a...
It was like a floor level window.
I don't know.
Ooh.
I don't know how far up the window was.
It just...
It seemed like he could have maybe just been standing outside and like all I could see was

(42:20):
like torso up, you know?
Oh God.
So I don't think it was like a situation where it was like floating or...
Yeah.
I don't know.
That gives you a little bit of contact.
Yeah.
I mean, that could just be like a straight up in cell these days.
Who knows?
It was where the fire come from.
I...
There was a forest fire and an in cell.

(42:41):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I guess it's...
I could have been a person.
I don't know.
No.
No, that doesn't sound like way.
I was also a kid though.
So obviously they didn't like go out and measure like how far the window was from the
ground to like see how tall this person was.
It would be helpful data that I understand why you didn't.

(43:02):
And I'm kind of glad you'd...
Eight or nine year old me.
And I wish I did.
Because that would have been a better story like me doing all this investigating after.
Do it for science, Cassie.
And also like wasn't it.
It was like my friend's friend's house, you know?
It wasn't like any place I would ever go again or have been to since this.

(43:24):
And we were surrounded by trees and like forests.
I don't think there was a neighbor that was like right that could have been like right
there.
Yeah.
That I was seeing.
That makes sense.
And there wasn't a forest fire that you guys all just let through?
Well, not that night.
Okay.

(43:44):
Uh, yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute.
Oh.
So I'm sitting here looking at this thing and I'm like trying to figure out like what
am I seeing?
And so I remember trying to call down to my friend and wake her up and see her like she
was seeing this too.
I couldn't get her to wake up.
Oh, which I feel like was kind of weird.

(44:05):
I also didn't want to get down.
So I wasn't like shaking her anything.
I was just like calling down like Chrissy.
Chrissy.
Chrissy.
Chrissy.
Wake up.
Do you see the flight man?
The shadow man.
The planey hat man.
But yeah, I couldn't get her to wake up and witness this with me.
So probably thankfully for her, I don't know, I don't know what would have happened.

(44:26):
Yeah.
If she did wake up.
That's interesting.
And I remember it being, I don't know if I just am putting this on the story, thinking back
on it, but I feel like I remember it being really quiet, like too quiet.
Oh, like quieter than you would think the nighttime would be.

(44:47):
Right.
Like when you're out somewhere and it's kind of burrow or.
You hear the e-stiff, like crickets.
Right.
I feel like that's a very common theme in certain types of like paranormal stories.
And I don't know if it's something where you're just so focused on these other senses that

(45:08):
you're not super focused.
But also if I'm like seeing fire, what I think is fire, you think you would also be hearing
crackling.
Yes.
The crackling of flames or something.
But I don't know if I'm hearing anything.
Like I barely remember hearing my own self to try to wake my friend up.

(45:28):
That's so weird.
Yeah.
You would, I feel like if the fire is significant enough, you're going to be hearing it's
like almost like brace crispy.
Like yeah.
Snap crackle hiss.
Yeah.
Like.
And I did ask my mom too.
I was like, do you guys remember having like a fire night or something?
Like maybe it was only like 11 p.m.

(45:49):
Like a bonfire outside.
She doesn't know.
And I'm pretty sure I was eight or nine.
This is a long time ago.
I'm pretty sure this window was like pointed at the, at like the driveway area.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So yeah, probably would be weird to have like a fire pit.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(46:09):
But she said no, we didn't have like a fire that night or anything.
Huh.
I'm glad I have like sort of like a cooperation a little bit.
Yeah.
So at this point, I'm like, well, my friends are waking up.
All this, this is due.
It's not moving or anything.
I just can see the silhouettes like staring into the window and or maybe how does back to

(46:33):
the window.
I don't know.
My thought was that it was looking into the window.
Yeah.
But I was like, well, worse things have happened to mislead.
At least it's not on top of me trying to suffocate me like my sleep paralysis streams.
And I'm not getting like, like, there's a creep like a weird vibe and not like a, it's
kind of like the flannel man thing we talked about.

(46:54):
Like not, not a bad vibe, but like a like fully malevolent.
Yeah.
But like, yeah, someone's there.
It shouldn't be there.
So it's kind of weird.
Yeah.
Well, it's like well, it's not seeming to do anything.
So I guess I'll just go back to sleep.
So I close my eyes.

(47:15):
And I just went back to sleep.
I think I'm stuck.
What else would I do?
Like, what are you doing?
I'm a child.
So I don't know.
I like the slightest thing wakes me up and I cannot go back to sleep for the life of me.

(47:35):
Like it could be my own goddamn urine.
It's like summoning me from the deep.
And I'm like, I can't go back to sleep now.
See, I can always go back to sleep.
No, it's a real challenge.
I think it took me a minute.
I do remember like closing my eyes and then like opening them back up to like kept making

(47:57):
sure.
But it was still there and it didn't move.
So but eventually I did go back to sleep.
I didn't, I don't think it took that long or anything.
I don't remember like trying.
I forever couldn't be me.
I wrote silent night, unholy night because it was so quiet.

(48:19):
Yeah.
I love saying that.
Oh boy.
But one very interesting thing happened in the morning.
So this is something I very distinctly remember.
I don't remember a lot about this trip.
I remember like going for a wheeling.
This creepy thing happened in the morning.
This is like what I remember from this trip.
Okay.

(48:40):
In the morning, I overheard the adults talking about how there was a property fire.
There was a fire on the property and they had to rebuild some of the house.
So like they didn't say anything about anyone dying.
I don't think it was like a like a long time ago.
It was like a recent ish.

(49:01):
Like okay.
They had rebuilt the house and so I don't think it was like way in the past, but I don't
think it had just happened.
Okay.
I mean, I don't know.
But I feel like maybe that could explain sort of a disturbance on the land.
You know what I mean?
It's like it awakened something or something like remembers or they didn't say about anything

(49:29):
about anyone dying or anyone getting hurt or anything.
I feel like that was something that they would have mentioned before already talking about
it.
Yeah.
So I don't know if that was like maybe just a spirit that was already on the land or
interest.
Maybe the fire and the shadow person were like two separate things, like two separate hallucinations

(49:52):
or whatever.
I mean, could be very advanced of you just having like multi-leveled, like the fire was
like a residual haunting and like the shadow person was able to come through because of
that energy.
I don't know.
Yeah.

(50:12):
I mean, that's sort of like, you know, if you were, I really, I really want to make a comparison
to like multi-level marketing.
Like if you were doing like Lula Roe and I don't know, it's another MLM like the those
send it oils or something like essential oil or sent me.

(50:35):
So yeah, so there's a fire on the property, which is like I had no idea about that prior
to like seeing this fire thing.
So it was like no way.
That is so weird.
Yeah.
I don't know if this is like where I started trusting like having intuition and like thinking
like maybe I'm more powerful than I know.

(50:55):
Like how would I know?
I'm like, you're like Spider-Man origins or maybe.
I always knew I was a witch.
I just had him post or syndrome.
Yeah.
No, that's fair.
That's fair.
So when I was talking to my mom, I was asking her all these questions.
She did say she was like, you know, your brother mentioned having a nightmare about that

(51:18):
house.
What?
Like way later in life, so he was only like two or three at the time we stayed there.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
He was little and I don't know how he even like would remember this house, right?
Yeah, I mean, depending on the kid, like two to four, that's kind of the earliest that

(51:40):
most people have like an actual cognitive memory.
Yeah.
You have like random like random core memories, I feel like, but this was apparently one
of his random core memories.
This house we went to one time.
That's insane.
Yeah, which is, I guess that sort of makes sense because I remember having memories of

(52:02):
like cool houses you go to because you're not there all the time.
So it's like, that does make sense.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a unique experience.
Yeah.
So two or three, but then he had a nightmare about this house.
I don't know how old he was.
I asked him about it too.
And he was like, yeah, I do remember that.
I don't think we know how old he was when he had the nightmare, but it was like later on.

(52:23):
Wait, so he didn't have it the night you guys were in the house.
He had it later about the house.
That's way weird.
Isn't that weird?
That's way weirder.
So weird.
He didn't really give me any details.
He said he couldn't really remember.
It was just really a really weird creepy dream about that cabin in the woods that we stayed

(52:48):
up.
Okay.
Well, I for one would like to petition to have him hypnotize because I need more information.
Do we let's hypnotize you?
I know.
I want to know what the dream was too.
He says, I think he said he remembered like his only memory from the house is like sitting

(53:10):
on the counter, which is like kind of funny.
Yeah, but I don't know what.
Yeah, I don't know what his nightmare was.
He just said it was like weird and creepy.
I don't think he actually remembers.
So yeah, we get hypnotized and I'm just saying, I think we should give it the old college
dream.
And he didn't I never told him about this.
So like he didn't really know that I had a weird experience.

(53:31):
Well, I mean, of course, it's a seven year difference, right?
Yeah.
I mean, that's kind of all I had about this weird hat man and the fire experience that was
is my only super spooky ghost story.
But I don't have any answers.
Yeah.
That's that's very unsatisfying, but very intriguing.

(53:52):
I know.
I want to know more.
I want to like try to figure out where this place isn't go back.
Yeah.
Did you see me already being like, okay, who can we ask?
Where?
Yeah, unfortunately, every photos, maybe we can geolocate it.
Yeah, I don't know if we have photos.
Unfortunately, my friend's mom who we went with has passed.

(54:15):
Well, so we can't ask her.
Okay.
Yeah.
I have so many follow up questions.
I can't even begin to explain how many questions.
Do we feel like maybe some of them can be answered by a little Tara?
Maybe.

(54:36):
I don't know.
Tara?
I want to get my answer to hat man.
I want to know who this was.
Was he cute?
Because he was a young man looking at me.
Oh, I did write in here.
I did something super Christmasy.
We'll mention it right before we go to the tarot.
Give it to me.
I went to the Transybarian Orchestra.
That's right.
It was really cool.

(54:58):
I was like, okay, they do, they put the Christ in Christmas or whatever, but it's fine.
It's not a religious thing though.
It's kind of an orchestra.
It was like Christmast.
Well, because it's Christmas, they sing a lot of Christmast songs.
Christmast.
Yeah, I feel like it was like a religious vibe.

(55:18):
Christmast.
Yeah.
It wasn't obviously like going to a church or something, you know?
It wasn't like that in your face.
It was tolerable for me.
And it was pretty good.
They're so talented and they've got flames on stage.
Fanned, tired, laser lights.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.

(55:38):
Sharks with lasers on their head.
There was no sharks.
Oh, I mean, there could be.
They did have a woman singing in a snow globe.
Mm-hmm.
That's pretty cool.
That's interesting.
The dudes, fucking patriarchy.
They were so muscularly and they had such long hair that they were flipping around with their

(55:58):
tutors and shoes.
They were so muscularly.
They had men who were all muscularly.
I don't know if that's how I said it.
That is how you said it.
They had a lot of muskals and muskals.
And muskals.
A lot of hair.
Okay.
I didn't hate it.
No, I can understand that.
I think you blacked out because you saw some muskals.

(56:20):
I saw some muskals.
She started talking nonsense.
Yeah.
Where are we?
What are we doing?
The oxygen to her brain was cut off.
She's got a major lady boner.
There were a lot of hot girls too, just FYI.
They were pretty hot.
They put it up there.
They also had hair.
All right.
All right.

(56:40):
All right.
Let's go to tarot.
Okay.
Cassie has been shuffling.
She is currently getting the vibe.
She's also doing kind of a weird thing with her mouth.

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Really wish she was in the camp right now.
But here we are.
Picking the card.
Oh.
Oh.
Okay.
I don't know if you can see it.

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In a reading about love, this card indicates giving up on a relationship.

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You feel worn down by problems and don't know how to settle your differences.
Counseling could help you gain clarity.
Oh, I mean, I needed counseling as a child.
Oh, no.
I mean, don't we all?
Didn't we all and don't we all?
It just made me think of like all the other, the other sleep paralysis experience.

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Perinus experiences.
That was a lot.
That's a mouthful sleep paralysis experiences I was having and like, and how this one was so
different.
Yeah.
I don't know why you thought statement reminded me of it because I already forgot what you
had said, but.
Okay.
Well, I do have an extra excerpt.
Okay.
Okay.
When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.

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Oh.
Which anything with rope and hanging definitely harkens back to the Civil War and the South
for me.
Reverse seven of candles and or wants has yourself confidence taken a hit recently?
Are you feeling overwhelmed or exasperated or like you have to speed read?

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Is this just it feels like one of the like an infomercial?
Yeah, it does.
Look at so bogged down on the details that you lose sight of the larger picture.
Remember how far you've come, you're more than capable of making your dreams come true.
This was the reverse interpretation.
Interesting.

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Huh.
Hmm.
Making your dreams come true and all this time I kind of thought it was like a dream.
Hmm.
Hmm.
I don't want to make my dreams come true.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
But that's not maybe not that one's to dream.
Okay.
King of ones are key words are leadership, self confidence, success, good fortune.

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Okay.
Which I feel like just ties back to Jessica's story.
If nothing else.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The good luck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And loyalty.
Uh, the king was upright, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I didn't.
Yeah, it was upright.
I didn't really like officially pull it out.
I just kind of pulled it and set it upright.

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I don't remember.
I feel like it was upright when I.
When you're looking on it.
Yeah.
I mean, that was such a weird thing because I just from like, it just happens to.
I saw it on the underside of the deck, but.
Okay.
The king upright is a fortunate card, regardless of the situation.

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If he represents a real person, it's someone you can trust and rely on to do the right thing.
He's a loyal friend, a fair-minded employer, a wise advisor, a competent and honest leader.
This intelligent man has high ideals.

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He's an active, energetic, independent individual with a passion for life and an adventurous nature.
This is so wild because immediately I was like, okay, I know that the Civil War is on my
brain clearly, but I'm like, honest, leader, high ideals are his ideals as high as his hat.

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Well, it's interesting.
Talking about you.
I, but that was like the, like the infantry people wore those hats.
I wasn't like like the higher up people did not.
Yeah.
No, I was making an Abe Lincoln joke.
Oh, okay.
Him and his 10-gallon hat.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
I see, I see.
He was in the Civil War.

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He was in the Civil War.
Yeah.
No, he was literally the president.
That's why he was killed.
Oh.
Because racism.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
I think I knew that rattling around in my brain, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was thinking because like hat, because we're talking about.
You mentioned Abe Lincoln earlier.
Did you mention that before you even knew about the Civil War hat?

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I mentioned Abe Lincoln.
Yeah, because you're like, it's not a Lincoln.
Because I was talking about the hat.
There's not that interest.
Yeah.
In a reading about money, you can expect good things to come your way when the king appears.
Sometimes the king means getting a race that a venture will pay off or that you have financial

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support.
If the reading is about your job, success is assured.
The king may indicate a promotion or recognition for your efforts.
It can also show you moving into a position of a thirut.
Now is a good time to take a chance for victory is yours.

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Okay.
In a question about love, the king of one says the relationship is a strong one with plenty
of affection and passion.
Perhaps between two lively, creative, outgoing people.
Maybe the shadow man was supposed to be my lover.

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Come back to me.
I'm old enough now.
Oh boy.
I'm old age.
I feel like that's problematic because you guys met when you were a child.
Yeah, he was grooming me my whole life.
I'm saying.
I don't know.
So we actually have two extra exerbs here.
It says which way does the king face?

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Oh, north or south.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know either.
I can make connections to a lot of that.
That's my brain.
Also this king is just facing forward.
Yeah.
The pattern recognition, that might be the tism.
He is pointing upward up and down.

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Oh, interesting.
Yeah, that's true.
Oh, north and south.
In some decks, the king faces sideways and whether he is looking forward or excuse me,
and whether he is looking toward or away from other cards in his spread, we'll have a
bearing on the reading.
Oh, he's just forward.

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Interesting.
Okay.
Bully card.
Oh.
In the extreme, the reversed king of wands can be the bully card.
As Mary K. Greer writes in the complete book of tarot reversals, we might need that.
We need new books, I think.

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I think we need that book because I feel like the reverse interpretations, that's something
we always want more insight on.
You might oppose others simply as a display of one upmanship.
You can be aggressive and abuse others like a bully or a common dawn with no humanity.

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Jesus, okay.
Shut the fuck up.
What?
Okay.
I was right.
I had to look.
Okay.
Is a military term, an officer in charge of a particular force or institution.
The example is the West Point common dawn of cadets.

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Weird.
I never come across a word in everyday life.
Yeah.
I don't mean either.
Deal.
Interest.
I've got the spooky news now.
So I feel like we definitely got an answer.
I feel like all of the military related things we got, I feel like that was a silver war hat.

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Pretty affirmative.
What if it was an actual person who just shot that the Salvation Mary?
Salvation Mary?
Oh yeah.
Well, that's why I was like, "Oh God, that could be real bad."
Remember I was saying I was like, "Oh God, that could be a modern day in Selvibe."
I don't know.

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I feel like if it was a real human person though, there's a difference.
I feel like.
Yeah.
Also, there wasn't a fire that night.
Yeah.
We've established.
So I was like, "Listen, I will always like grasp its draws."
But then eventually you have to just see that there's not something that explains every

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point.
Yeah.
I kind of went off the deep end and I was like, "Well, was it like the sunrise?"
And I was seeing through the trees, but it was...
I could see that, but I just distinctly remember it flickering a fire.
Right.
Like fire.
Suns are different.
It's going to be more of a study.
You might fit coming through the trees.

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If it's windy, maybe?
Absolutely.
I don't know.
Maybe it was windy and it was a sunrise coming through the trees.
Stop gaslighting my friends.
Just trying to think of anything.
And then I also thought of like Hocus Pocus where they put the car lights coming through
the window and I'm like, "Oh, was it like a car?"
I thought of that too when you mentioned the driveway, but those are just very different

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elements.
I just feel like the way those types of light present, they're very different.
And the amount of times, I've spent a good amount of time trying to think about it.
Just look at this and figure out what it was and keep closing my eyes and opening them again.
The only thing was it didn't move.

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So I'm like that.
I don't know.
What stands that still?
I mean, and otherworldly presents.
Just pah-pah.
I mean, it had to...it had to have been.
It was ghost, you guys.
I saw ghosts.
It's fine.
Yeah.

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It feels like it ghost.
I got to put my feet back up.
I think the main reason we pulled that second card was just like the imagery alone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
I mean, that's why I flagged it.
For sure.
We're greekey.
We're greekey on it.
That's weird.
All right.
Well, we hope you guys have a great holiday, whatever you're doing, whatever you celebrate,

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or if you don't celebrate at all.
Yeah.
Just have a great day.
Yeah.
Just have a great day in general.
Be safe, as always.
Yeah.
Oh, I forgot to tell you I'm going to zoo lights tomorrow.
Tomorrow?
Oh, we were supposed to do that.
My mom invited me.
Oh, I don't want to intrude on mom and dad.
She hadn't even listened to the episode yet.

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I mean, if there's still tickets, I forgot to tell you.
She just asked me.
I don't know.
Maybe.
If there's still tickets, maybe we'll have to ask her what time.
Okay.
Yeah.
Ask her what time.
Okay.
She really wants to go.
I feel like we'd be down if the time works.
Yeah.
Okay.
Zoo lights.
Remind me after this one week.

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Cut.
Okay.
Have a creepy day.
Have a creepy day.
Have a creepy day.
I almost said Halloween.
And that's not even the right holiday.
Have a creepy ass holiday.
Yeah.
Let's do that.
Or not.
I mean, just do your thing.
Whatever that is.
Just make it creepy.

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Right.
Have a creepy story that you experience over the holidays or anytime or anywhere.
PNW or not.
You can email us at pnwhansenhamasites@gmail.com.
We love to read other people's stories.
I don't just talk about myself every single time we read people's stories.
Yeah.
Like what is she a Leo?

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Wow.
That was like something.
I was like, I don't know.
I want to like tell a scary ghost story, but we didn't have any.
And I was like, well, I have one.
Do I just want to talk about myself for Christmas?
I mean, yeah.
That's my gift to you guys.
I love it.
And if you want to return the gift, please send us a your your ghost story.
Spooky story, true crime story.

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All of them.
Santa's story.
Santa's story.
There's a Santa skirt.
Also doesn't really translate for, you know, you could just stand on your chair the whole
time and we could just get skirt to view.
Oh, yeah.
But not an up skirt.
That's correct.
Yeah.
No, thank you for that.
Well, to be careful when we get the pod cam.

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Oh, the pop cam.
Pop cam.
Pod dog cam.
Pop cam.
Pod, pop cam.
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