Maureen Kelly’s Spiritual Quest: Vanished in Gifford Pinchot

In June 2013, 19-year-old Maureen Leianuhea “Anu” Kelly set off on a camping trip with friends in the vast and unspoiled wilderness Gifford Pinchot National Forest. The backdrop was both scenic and rugged. What was supposed to be a carefree adventure outdoors turned into a chilling mystery when Anu walked away from their campsite—completely nude, save for her fanny pack—and never returned.

Despite extensive search efforts, the only trace of her was a set of footprints leading toward a road. Her extremely limited supplies, tucked into the fanny pack she’d donned, would do little to stave off any number of threats she may have encountered in the woods. Over the years, theories have swirled - while she may have been seeking a spiritual awakening her whereabouts have remained unknown since that fateful night. Did she fall victim to the harsh wilderness? Or is it possible that something far more sinister happened that night?

Join us as we retrace Anu’s final known steps, explore the many theories surrounding her mysterious disappearance, and discuss the latest developments—including the discovery of human remains in the Big Lava Bed located in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest in August of 2024. 

Tangents about previous episodes include: Episode 104: Silver Falls - AKA "Ghost City USA"

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Episode Transcript

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Our story today is all about the fun and occasional folly of youth. On June 9th, all of the accounts

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I've read say the group was simply enjoying themselves as the afternoon began to fade into evening.
The group proceeded to enjoy their surroundings no doubt unaware that by morning they would reach
a horrifying realization. One of them was missing.

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Okay, yes, Caitlyn. I have received the nudes that you sent me.
Oh, boy, are you going to be disappointed?
I mean, these are beautiful. Not quite that beautiful.

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Never that beautiful. No, oh my goodness. Okay, man. Yeah, I was waiting until you hit record
to say that. So we can start now. Hi, Cassie. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, creepy people. Hello.
This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, spooky things,

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witchy things, kind of whatever we're feeling. We really, we really hone in on the paranormal and the
true crime though. That's kind of our, that's our safe space, which I think says a lot about our
mental health, right? And where is our safe space? It's in the Pacific Northwest, the PNW.

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It's in the history. Yes, yes. And I'm nasty because I'm drinking a curslight today. Curse light.
That's like a very Midwest thing to say. Curse light. What else do we do? Oh, I forgot. We do
terror reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. Cassie,

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have you ever visited the Gifford Pinsho National Forest in Washington? No, and it doesn't even
sound familiar to me. Wow. Okay. You may recall, I just sent you some photos. So I'm going to show you
some pictures so you can see just how beautiful it is. Caitlyn, those are huge. Whoa, but they are.

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Yeah. Yeah, this is really pretty. Are these from your personal camera roll?
These ones are not. Oh, okay. They look like they could be. They, yes. And I was very fortunate to
stumble upon some Pacific Northwest kind of camping blogs that they had photos. Actually,

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the one with the waterfall. Yeah, that's right. I have a nearly identical photo in my camera roll.
Right. A different place in Washington. Yeah, I feel like these waterfalls are, I mean, I don't
know, maybe they're typical of waterfalls everywhere, but I feel like these are like super PNW
waterfalls. I think so as well. Just like the multiple points of, I don't know what you call. I don't

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how to describe this, but like the multiple points of fallage in the fall itself because there's so
many layers of rocks and things and green moss and then the water looks like greeny blue like a lagoon.
It's very pretty. It's very pretty. And then is this like Mount St. Helens with the top

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blown off? Might be. Does that the one that blew up? It sure is. I think that's the only one that
doesn't have like a point. I think. I don't know. I can be sure. And it actually, I believe that
geographically checks out. So yeah, well, cool. Yeah. Yeah. As you'll find out later, I was prepared for

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questions, but only in relation to historical weather data. Oh, yes. I'm waiting for this. Yeah.
I read a comment and I went, hmm, that seems to directly contradict something else I read about the
weather. I should probably hyper focus on that for 30 minutes. I mean, I probably would too.

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Yeah, it turns out it wasn't unimportant to the story. So, hmm, okay. Do you have any idea how
difficult it can be depending on location to find historical weather data, dating back to 2013?
No, I feel like Google should just know, right? Yeah. Google doesn't fucking know.

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Google AI. Come on, answer. Can you answer all my other questions? Yeah. Google AI was like, well,
here's what I would do. And I was like, I would have already done that. I thought you would give me
the answer. I'm getting a little hung up on that. That's fine. We have a lot of ground to cover.

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So when I look at the falls, you see in a lot of the pictures of this area, especially now that we're
getting closer to spring, I think about that hilariously heartwarming prank that you and Chris
pulled on me almost two years ago now. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Okay. TLDR for anyone who doesn't know

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that backstory. I was told by Cassie and my now husband, Chris, that we were going to take some
photos of the two of us for the pod. And also for one of Cassie's episodes. She's a lying skank.
I was not wrong because we actually did an episode about the place. So we actually did need to go

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there. Yeah. What actually happened was that Chris proposed whilst I was clearly confused. And
also scolding him for getting brand new pants dirty. I'm gonna stay. Yeah. In many respects, one of
the happiest and also maybe in some respects, not my proudest moment. I also made some of the most

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bizarrely dazed faces, I think humanly possible. Yes, can confirm. If you want to listen to that
episode where Cassie tried to convince me how creepy Silver Falls was, you can go back and listen
to the episode. We'll tag that in the show notes. Hopefully, hopefully we do that.

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It did drop on April 1st of whatever that year was. Yes. Yeah. It was indeed our April Fools
episode. Kind of a tough act to follow. I feel like. Yeah. We'll see what happens this year. Maybe
we'll get back to you. I see on you. Maybe we'll keep you guessing. Who knows? Or maybe we'll

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just agree that April Fools is a stupid holiday and it's not for adults. I do have more pictures
for you. So hopefully the first one in this progression of photos that I've sent you
is mostly my wrist. Yes, I noticed that. Okay. Okay. So the first one looks like it was taken by a

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boomer. It's sort of the photo equivalent of a butt dial. But I can assure you that it was taken
actually by me, not a boomer, famously, in the befuddled excitement moments after your hilarious
prank. And then the other ones are slightly more presentable cute photos of us at the falls

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with our mouths open. Oh, of course. Chris is just being normal, smiling normal. Yeah. Just being a
just being a person, just being a person, people, yeah. Aw, that was a fun day. It was whenever I see
waterfalls, you know what I think and a TLC. Also that. Naturally. But let's get back on track.

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If you were say 19 years old, what do you think a place like Gifford Pinchow National Forest
represents to you? I don't know. Like a nice place to hike. Yeah, I feel like that's a solid guess.
That's what I was looking for. Obviously, you've got the gorgeous waterfalls and I already had my

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monologue about that. Yeah. Maybe a little freedom enjoying the natural world, camping with friends,
toasting marshmallows and maybe some drinks by the fire. A legit drink. That all tracks though.
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I was thinking back to what I was doing at that age.

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Outdoorsing. Exactly. It was like hiking a little but mostly like camping and drinking and yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty normal stuff I think about age. Our story today is all about the fun
and occasional folly of youth. As happy as I am now with everything that I built with both of my

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partners in crime, both in business and in my personal life. Me? Every once in a while, I think
everyone wishes that they could turn back the clock and experience things the same way they did when
they were younger. I mean, for me, number one, my metabolism. And I could really go for taking

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another summer off. Yeah. Seriously. Would not hurt my feelings at all. Maureen “Anu" Kelly was born
September 26, 1993 to a single mother who raised her in Washington state.
Sources actually kind of seem to differ on where exactly she grew up. Some say the Vancouver area,

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others spoke Ann, but ultimately our story happens in a completely different location anyway.
Though she was a graduate of Lewis and Clark High School, notably located in Spokane.
Not Spokane. Never Spokane. Fun fact, Anu was a Libra. And I share that because from what I have seen

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and read, it seems like kind of a fun detail that she might have actually shared about herself.
Oh, she had sort of like a fun kind of creative. I don't know. I mean, I feel like hippie sort of
becomes like a catch all term for sort of a vibe. Yeah. But I feel like Libra's also have like an

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energy and we all have like Libra energy too because I'm a Libra moon and you're like a Libra rising
or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chris is Libra. So it's a Libra. Yeah.
I know. We got a lot of Libra energy up in here. Yeah. Makes sense, I think. It does. But

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back in 2013, Anu had a YouTube channel where she posted videos playing her yoke. Oh,
Yugalaylee for the uninitiated and beatboxing. That's so cool.
Generally just being a carefree young adult. She had 302 subscribers there.

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I'm going to speculate that some of those subscribers are more recent. Oh, I'd also, I'd love to use
this as an opening to transition into an arguably shameless plug. Believe me. But as I listen to her
saying as she played her yoke, I read the comments. I'm not going to read from the comments section

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until I provide a little bit more context. But suffice to say, I was starting to come down
with a case of the Ick. Oh, no. I don't like that. I know. Well, go on the internet and it, you know,
as one does, but why try to stay off the internet? Yeah. Okay. So do me a favor. If you can only do one

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thing, just one time, don't worry about any of the usual calls to action that on this podcast
and other fellow podcasters, you know, the things that we're always saying, smash that subscribe
button and shit like that. Instead, go to her YouTube channel because this is a face that

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not enough people have seen. This is clearly an incredibly kind and creative young woman with
a beautiful voice to boot. She was just like anyone would be at 19 beautiful, intrepid,
a young woman with so much promise. According to her half sister, Sherry Koubu, she had called just

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prior to an upcoming camping trip. She called me before she left, saying she was going camping
with friends and asked if she could borrow some of my camping gear. She was excited about going
and told me she loved me. That was totally normal for her. She was a very affectionate person.

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When Anu arrived the following day to pick up her gear that she intended to borrow,
Sherry asked where she and her group of friends were headed. And though Maureen was a self-profess
nature lover, she was not an experienced camper. So their destination, the Gifford Pinchot

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National Forest, was a bit surprising to Sherry. She described Anu as a very laid back care-free girl.
And though she had reportedly longed to spend more time in the outdoors, her expectations were
unlikely to match the harsh realities of the wilderness. Sherry said, I asked her why now?

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And Maureen told me that she wanted to go on a spiritual quest, that really concerned me.
Yeah, that makes me think of mushrooms or something. That's what people do. They go under the woods
and they do shrooms and they go on their spiritual quest. I mean, not just shrooms, other drugs too.

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But yeah, you're not the only one that is going to draw some conclusions about what that might mean.
The group of friends headed toward the Gifford Pinchot National Forest for their campsite at the
Canyon Creek campground. They drove out to Chalachie near Highway 503 from their traveling

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steadily northeast, reaching Forest Service Road 54. When they start saying Forest Service Road,
it's fairly remote. Yeah. Next, they would have traveled down a series of small backroads
until they reached Canyon Creek. Their total drive time would have been roughly three hours or so,

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depending on traffic. Once they found the specific area, they intended as their campsite,
it would have required some initial prep work to make it comfortable for their stay as this area,
both the trails and the campsites were entirely unmentained. Oh wow. Okay. So this is like, it is for

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experienced campers. It's not like a campground with a bathroom. Correct. Definitely no facilities.
Nothing crazy though, really, just clearing away debris like pine needles from items like the
camp stove that they would need to use before setting up their tents and preparing their evening
meal. On June 9th, all of the accounts I've read say the group was simply enjoying themselves as

(17:02):
the afternoon began to fade into evening. The group proceeded to enjoy their surroundings
no doubt unaware that by morning they would reach a horrifying realization. One of them was missing.
I feel like this is like a horror movie. A little bit. It's giving sort of a last house on the left

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in the extreme, but when Kelly had left their campsite that evening, most accounts state this was
around 5 p.m. One thing everyone agreed on and paraded as loudly, frequently as possible,
was that she'd been as naked as the day she'd entered this world. Wow. Okay. Well, okay, almost.

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She was wearing a fanny pack containing a knife, matches, and a compass.
Honestly, though, a baby wearing a fanny pack has a pretty cute image, though. So you're welcome.
If that's what you thought of when I said that, because I immediately pictured the baby in a fanny pack.

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That's cute. Yeah. That's the best I could do. That would be like what you would need if you were
going to take anything with you, I guess, in a fanny pack in the woods. Yep. Those would be some
arguably critical items. Right. I would say, yeah. That night, she'd been set on the idea of a

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spiritual quest, which we already knew that, but better naked. Arguably. Yeah. I mean, is this
maybe the best environment for it? Probably not. It's a bit of a whole. It's like shedding your
layers and just like being as free as possible. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of

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this that just, you know, it makes sense. And you're 19. Right. And your brain's still cooking. And
so many things. And now I feel ancient. And I have to move on. Some reports of the events that night
state that she told them that she would be back by midnight. And this, I think, based on everything I've

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read is the account that I trust most. Unfortunately, however, when she didn't return by midnight,
their campground and the surrounding area would have been pitch black. The terrain is rough and
densely forested, making it difficult to navigate even in the daylight for some. So regardless of

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mounting concern, it simply would not be practical to do much in the way of searching until sunrise.
Thumbnax Thumb. While it had been a warm day and the area didn't see any precipitation leading up to
and less than a quarter of an inch in the immediate hours surrounding her disappearance. Very

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important information. And you can trust me on this because I literally spent close to 30 minutes
verifying historical weather data alone for this case. I really want everyone to know. I know what the
weather was. Unfortunately, the temperature overnight plummeted. There was grave concern about the
various ways on you could come to harm alone and completely exposed in the woods. And yeah, make it

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I'm cold. And I feel like you're having the emotional and sort of intellectual also responds that
I very much did as well to to this. Now is when I'm going to start reading you some comments that

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unfortunately not everyone is going to have the same response to the same information that's being
presented. I don't know, I guess people have to decide to do with that what they will, but I know how
I felt about it. And I've already said I got a real I got a real Iq. Okay, so we've decided to use

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an alias for this commenter. Kobe teeth said guessing she was high as a kite or hammered drunk to do
such a thing. Temperatures could have brought about hypothermia relatively quickly if she got lost.
And there's every chance she did. The next comment goes on to say totally agree this seems pretty

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obvious to me. She might have even taken the drugs etc as part of the quest. It's the old cliche
take peyote or whatever. Wander off to meet your spiritual animal. Because real life is not the
movies instead she meets the fate you outline. Thank goodness it was probably relatively painless.

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Oh god. She might even have succumbed while imagining herself on the verge of ultimate enlightenment.
Okay. For what it's worth, under Sheriff Dave Cox said that while it was a bit unusual for a 19

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year old to leave their campsite with extremely limited supplies and completely nude, there was no
indication that she was on drugs at the time of her disappearance. Maybe they just didn't find any
and they didn't want to push the subject. I don't know. But they're the cops. So that's a thing that

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they typically will do. Right. They'll concerning given the circumstances. Friends gave no indication
that this behavior was strange for Anu or that drugs were involved despite numerous comments
of contrary. I never really realized what a cesspool Reddit really could be. It's late to the party.

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But of course, there would be speculation to some it just didn't seem like it could have occurred
in any other scenario than some drug laden haze. I mean, there are a lot of different options. Sure
are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was like my first thought too, but like I'm not going to go say that
that happened. Like that's what happened for sure. Yeah. I would say based on the dates, I know for

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a fact that these are people that are speculating on an open missing persons case. Yeah, that's
big. Yeah. You're a key. Search crews were dispatched to the area in the hopes of rescuing Anu quickly
before she succumb to the elements or another threat. Footprints that appeared to be a match

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to her were found. So they ran that lead down. They discovered that she had apparently crossed a creek
and climbed up to a road on the other side of the canyon from her group's campground.
I mean, that just seems like a lot of, I mean, she started off when it would have still been daylight

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hours. So all of this is entirely plausible at this point. And she's certainly a physically capable,
young woman. From here, it gets a little bit more murky. But just like sounds like she,
so she did all that to get up to a road. It sounds like she was like trying to run away.
It's interesting that you should say that she had apparently been headed north toward

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forest service road 54. K9 units from Pacific Crest search dogs were brought in as well,
but her scent was lost once they reached paved roads in the area. I'm concerned. Yeah, I'm going to
read to you the next comment from the hammer. Although the weather on the day she disappeared was

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mild temperatures that night dipped into the 40s. Without any clothes, she would have quickly succumb
to exposure. And that is a direct quote from the Charlie project. So 40s that cold, I guess it's
pretty cold, but it's barely above freezing. Okay. Yeah, I guess. And you're naked. I guess. Yeah.

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Yeah. I know. I mean, I kind of ran through all of the scenarios and it almost felt like I was
a little bit like bargaining like, oh, no, that, that can't be. But I kind of just felt like the 40s
aren't like immediate death like to me. I feel like you could find like a hole and cover yourself

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with stuff and like the 40 like I feel like you could survive that like it's not like it's dangerous
for sure. Right. So I could see that. I was just like wanting to know how immediate is the
standard. Yeah. I mean, I think at the point that she hasn't returned the following morning
and they know that she has remained out in the forest overnight. I think that's that's where it

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becomes dangerous. But this comment goes on to say paired with her footprints ending on a road.
This implies she was taken or picked up. But also is it possible she walked along the road for a while
or is that too weird considering she was naked? I mean, I don't think it's weird. I don't know.

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I'm actually bracing myself for the next series of comments here. There is a reply to that comment
specifically and it says they did have to postpone the search due to weather. It's all just a strange case.
I want to say she was picked up too. There's theories that maybe she joined a tribe or a cult.

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There's just not much info on this case at all. So it's all just so mysterious. That feels unnecessary.
And I feel like maybe it's a poor choice of words and or the sentence structure, but I feel like
that almost feels like you are attributing sort of the same problematic

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characteristics to being a part of a tribe as a cult. Yeah. Yeah. That was that's interesting.
And then also like if you had proof of that, that would be important information that they would
need to go find if she's truly missing. But if you don't, that's just such a weird thing to waste time.

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And I get it. These are not tips that are being called into law enforcement. These are people speculating.
I will say again with these comments, they are during a time when the case may not be active in the
sense of like they're not actively searching for her. But I will say that the case was active in a

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different sense. There is another reply. Anu would never have joined a cult. She was a beautiful,
free spirit. Something terrible happened to my dear friend. There's no other explanation. My
community combed the woods for years after there was never any sign of her anywhere past to put

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Prince. Unfortunately, the group of friends she was with is who I'm suspicious of even though they
were my friends too. And I wouldn't want to think that of any of them. Damn. The search initially proved
unsuccessful and by the following Saturday almost a full week. As the search was suspended at 6 p.m.,

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there were two reported injuries on the search and rescue team. An ankle injury as well as a
paw injury to one of the K-19. No. Puppy paw. Puppy paw.
Gosh, and these are people who are like used to searching in these areas of they're getting injured.

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Damn. I am so glad you said that because my next sentence is this further highlighted just how
treacherous the area currently being searched and where Anu had seemingly vanished from really
were. I mean, those are not ideal circumstances. Yeah. She had shoes on or did she have shoes on?

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She did not. No, she was just the fanny. The reporting that I read is literally just the fanny pack.
The local authorities were even said to have contacted search and rescue teams in neighboring areas.
Reportedly, even an Oregon just in case. Sadly, eventually the search of the area was suspended

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without further plans to continue. Though the authorities gave no indication they suspected foul play.
Anu's DNA was submitted to the National Missing Persons Database. Now to be fair, this would prove
useful for identification in the event that remains were later discovered in the area. Though

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her body has never been located, officials do believe it is likely that Anu's come to the elements,
whether by hypothermia or another natural cause. Officially, her case remains unsolved. However,
I have some more comments to share to provide contacts to discussions around her case,

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as well as the various unofficial theories that have emerged in the years since Anu's disappearance.
Okay, I was wondering what do they do in terms of searching if they lost her scent at a paved road.
So I understand that they were still searching the area, but were they,

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like is there other places they would then search or did they search or did they just search the area,
like the park area? Ultimately because it's, I mean, it's a massive national forest.
They did search a lot of the area surrounding the campground, and they also reached out to other

(32:25):
authorities in the area. And I mean, literally even in the neighboring state. Yeah. So I don't think
that the search was necessarily inadequate, or you know, but I do think it presents some challenges

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when they use scent dogs, and then they kind of come to a dead end with that, especially based on
these specific circumstances. And unfortunately, I mean, this is someone who is unfortunate
that they were naked only in the sense that there's, there's not a lot for them to be able to leave behind.

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You can't rip off the sleeve of your t-shirt and leave it somewhere as like a marker.
Yeah, that's true. Which I'm sure is not where your head is at all at when you're, you know,
going out on a spiritual quest. Right. And again, I think it's, I think it is important to know

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that, you know, this is, you know, she said, I'll be back before midnight, but that was
fully seven hours prior. I mean, this is like still very much daylight hours.
I feel like it kind of bakes the question like what happened while there was still light outside.

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And there's a lot of different potential explanations, obviously.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was just kind of wondering like, what do you, what do they do? I guess they would
like wait for a tip or maybe like her or define something. Yeah. Hopefully you find something

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in the forest that somehow indicates, you know, I don't know what that would be. It's hard to say.
So theory number one, she is no longer missing or never was. And in this instance, we're sort of
citing various reasons or it's kind of a, it's kind of a, it's multiple theories. It's like one A,

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one B, one, you know, for reference, her last YouTube video was uploaded two days before her
disappearance. And her Facebook account has also remained dormant. We're back to the comments.
I don't like this. I will say that a lot of the comments did not make me feel good, but there were

(35:13):
some, and I do believe that I have one a little bit later here. I feel it's sort of renewed my faith
in humanity for what it's worth. Okay. A little bit. If she was recovered alive, the family may have
kept it private because they perceived her as requiring mental health intervention. This is pure

(35:37):
speculation. Of course, I have no idea if she was suffering from mental illness or just a free
spirit following her heart. But if she was recovered and required hospitalization, her family may
have kept it quiet. Unfortunately, there is still a terrible stigma about mental illness,
despite the strides made to normalize it in recent years. Again, I'm only speculating,

(36:03):
since we're still waiting on confirmation she was even recovered at all. I hope she was, and that
she's doing well, and that she found the answers she was looking for that day. So this hints at some
speculation that the family, people have specifically pointed to her brother as someone who may have helped

(36:28):
her to obfuscate her own missing person's investigation. There is just next to nothing that substantiates
us at all, and I can understand having the thought. And this person I do feel like at least
approached this in a semi-respectful and responsible way by saying this is purely speculation.

(36:54):
But we do have some additional comments. I don't really understand what they're trying to say.
Yeah, I think what they are implying is that she may have been having some sort of a mental
health episode, and that once she was recovered, her family has not spoken publicly to confirm or deny

(37:20):
that she has been found, because they are seeking mental health treatment for her.
Which is admittedly a possibility, but again, this is what happens.
That just seems like way out there. It is, I don't know.

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It is, and I do feel like some comments are approaching the situation and the discussion a little bit
more respectfully. And like I said responsibly about, I'm acknowledging that this is pure speculation,
but based on the information I have, maybe this is sort of my theory. I get that. So some subsequent

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comments, well, you know, I hope you're right. I know I don't know her, but I wish they would let
those of us who think of her know she's all right too. No personal details needed.
An additional comment, I'm pretty sure if her name is page is still active, then she is still missing.
An additional response, not necessarily, Megan Good of the Charlie Project,

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speaks frequently of her frustration with nameless because they often leave up profiles
well after a person has been recovered. She reaches out to them to ask that a page be taken down
and generally gets no response. Really? Is that true? Hard to say. I feel like you should know.

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I have not seen this accusation levied frequently.
And I can only speak to my experience of like, you know, what I what I've come across when I research,
but we will come back to this comment about nameless and her status in a little bit. Okay.
So related to sort of this theory of like,

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she's not missing or possibly never was. Anyone else think it's strange that after December of 2017,
the family completely stopped posting about her. Her mother would post on her wall very often,
even on holidays. Now it's nothing. Hmm. I was going to ask like, does her family still like,

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look for her or say anything about looking for her? And I feel like those are questions that
it's natural to have. I will say that I understand that impulse. But at the same time, people don't
handle this type of grief and loss. There's like, there's no right answer.

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One thing I did find very interesting is that they're in these groups and I'm sure this does happen
in some of these message boards. There were more than a few people that did
purport to know her and or her family personally. And I'm sure maybe some of these commenters do.

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As someone who grew up with her, her brother had addiction issues last I knew. And I think that was
probably a large aspect behind his post. There is sort of an infamous post. I think it's a big nothing
burger. I think it speaks to someone who's experiencing and then frightably, it's just, they're

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experiencing loss even if she is bound. There's nothing definitive. Essentially what it amounts to
was they created a Facebook page for, you know, her case and for her disappearance. And at some point,
he posted basically, if you're looking for answers, you're not going to find them here. And I feel like

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to me, that just sounds like someone who is grappling with this immense loss and really struggling
with the fact that they have no answers about their loved one. Yeah. I don't think that I find
it the lightning rod that some other people do on various social media platforms. Maybe they're

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right and I'm wrong, but I could totally see though how like it in unsolved cases, like no information
and then that, like I could see how people jump on that. Absolutely. That's sad.
This commenter goes on to say, I have questions as to why her friends let her leave naked and intoxicated.

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To my knowledge, they were all doing mushrooms and she just up and walked off essentially. Easily
could have been stopped. It's strange to me that her friends let her leave and that her trail dropped
off at a road. That screams foul play to me. Sorry, I am commenting so late. I decided to look her up

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today and this post showed up. And this comment is actually quite a bit more recent than many of the
others. I mean, I definitely have those same thoughts too, but like if you're all shrooming
supposedly are all intoxicated, I mean, maybe they didn't designate a babysitter.
It's possible. Who knows what everyone else, if they were tripping balls, you know.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and just because the police didn't find any evidence that that was the case
doesn't mean that it wasn't, but I think the fact that the law enforcement in this case has come
out and said like we have not found anything to substantiate that as being an aspect of the case.

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Where are you getting this information that everybody or anyone was on any type of psychedelics?
Are they just assuming or like where can we feel very much like there are a lot of assumptions being made.
And unfortunately to me, I felt like maybe I am maybe it's me and maybe I'm being too extreme, but to

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leap from a 19 year old that is saying they want to go on a spiritual quest, which admittedly,
there are implications, there are things that we're all going to sort of like have rolling around
in the back of our heads, but to go from that to she joined a tribe or a cult.

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Okay. First of all, how racist can you be? I don't know. Maybe that person thought that there was
some sort of a tribal association out there that was cultish. I really don't know. I'm not sure,
but I think it feels very problematic to me to assume that like there is a brown person

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and there has to be some sort of like this nefarious connection to that. Yeah.
I don't know. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but as I'm reading all of these things,
I'm thinking, do they understand that she's actually not native or indigenous? She's Asian/Pacific

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Islander, according to all of the other data out there. So do they just assume that all brown people
are members of a cult or a tribe? Yeah. Again, I'm extrapolating on things that people have said,
and maybe this is me taking it like they went too far and I'm going that much further. I just feel like

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your take was icky. Yeah. It just felt like none of this changes the facts of the case in terms of
like this is where she went missing. This is who we're looking for. And I get that there would be
interest in other details of the case, but like we haven't found her yet. Yeah. So like maybe let's

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focus on that. I don't know. I think like it's harmful to imply that she like up and joined
something or like, because then they'll stop looking for her. I do. I think that's a part of it.
Me too is that like assuming that you know she's done something wrong, it's concerning. It's

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concerning. I don't think that the police are necessarily reading Reddit boards. And you know,
they're not they're not checking through subreddits and reading YouTube comments. Right. Hopefully in
connection professionally to a case, but maybe maybe if they don't have anything, maybe they do

(46:17):
send someone to scour the internet. I mean, we do know that that can be an aspect of an investigation.
So again, I just, I don't know. I didn't like it. I don't like it. I'm never going to like it.
Okay. So the final in this series of comments, she wanted to go on what she called a spiritual quest

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and thought it to be a spiritual quest in doing so in that mindset. Also, it wasn't okay to allow her
to do that alone. And I wouldn't have ever let it happen, but I moved and wasn't able to protect
her. The people there that night, if they let her go knowing she went and I know they did because I

(47:00):
heard their stories myself. And as I told them, they should let that way on them. They deserve it too.
I'm so disgusted with anyone who would let that happen. She may have been picked up at the highway.
She was the brightest energy I've ever met. There's a lot going on with that one.

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But it's, and it's a lot of blame. I definitely understand you got to look out for your friends,
but like she was an adult. Yeah. You can't necessarily just stop somebody from doing something they
want to do. I don't know. And she was naked. What are they going to do? I mean, I'm going to go over.
Also, it's daylight hours. So at that point, maybe wasn't that alarming. Yeah. I feel like there's

(47:49):
a lot of shade being thrown at the friends. And I feel like based on the scenario that they were
actually in, I just don't think that it's as salacious as some of the coverage has maybe led people to
believe. That would be awful to be those friends. And if you truly didn't do anything. Right.

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Wrong. How awful would you feel? And then you have people kind of thinking that maybe you had
something to do with it or you are to blame for letting her go. I love that I'm realizing in this
moment why I wanted to mention that she was a Libra. This is such Libra energy. Yeah. Seeing both

(48:34):
sides. Yeah. And it's all about, it's all about like the scales and justice. And I just was like, wow,
how is this hitting me in real time? As much time as I've spent researching and writing this up, how,
how did that not occur to me until just now? But here we are. Her social media has been quiet.

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But some have seen indications that her family has perceived silence in the years following her
disappearance might also be an indication that they know something the public at large just not.
Which I feel like is a really, it's a really tough pill to swallow that somebody could be missing

(49:22):
and their family could be covering for them or somebody could be classified as missing and not
actually missing. I will say this. There were a lot of comments and I initially screenjotted
several and intended to read them as part of this that we're talking about comments that her

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brother had made on her missing persons page comments specifically talking about how the family
had stopped posting about her. And I was like, oh my god, I'm concerned because, and I'm sure you could
do this with almost any other case, but this case, it didn't have as much information out there about

(50:09):
it as I would have liked. And I started trying to look for more information. And I wanted to know what
people thought about the case. But I got a little bit panic thinking, oh my gosh, like is it possible
that she's not missing? Like is it possible that just some of this stuff hasn't been updated?

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I really, I really started to worry and here's the thing. Even if that were the case, I
would rather talk about someone who I thought was missing but had been bound. Yeah. Then to have
their case go like into the cold dark night. But my text to you guys was going to be

(51:08):
about I decided not to send it because I could not give away what we were going to be talking about.
And it was it would have made no fucking sense. But my text was going to be

(51:30):
to the effect of I am so relieved I am like sad, happy crying right now because I, I mean I went full
web sleuth, level shit. And I don't, I that's not something that I necessarily do for every case, but I

(51:55):
wanted to know that people miss miss her and they fucking do. They really do. If they're lying or they
know something that we don't, they're doing a damn good job of keeping it under wraps and
here's hoping they have a good reason. I don't think that's the case. I really don't. And I feel like

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there's so many shitty things that people have said. But for brother, on June 9th, 2024,
missing you extra today. You're the most beautiful soul I've ever met. I'm forever grateful for you
and it hurts so bad. I can't hold you tight and tell you I love you one more time. I'm so fortunate to

(52:48):
have these videos you've made to comfort me and remind me of everything we've ever done together.
You're my best friend forever and I hope to see you again. It's one of a couple of posts that he made
about her in 2024. And unless he's scouring Reddit and thinking he's got to cover some shit up, I just

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know. I know that people can say what they think and what they feel or suspect in a case, but
this one really got me. This one really got me because I just felt like
everyone has been young and done things that maybe weren't the best idea. It doesn't mean that

(53:36):
they deserved bad things to happen to them. No, not at all. I mean, gosh, even if she was
totally super fucking high and like went out and like that still does not mean that she
doesn't deserve to be looked for or right. I didn't. The fact and I don't think that there's

(54:03):
anyone that came out and said, well, she was high. So nobody should be looking for her. But I feel like
what people say in so many words and the implications, like that matters. Yeah, it's like, well,
you deserved it. Like, right. What was she wearing? Yeah, nothing.

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Kind of doesn't matter. Doesn't actually does not matter. Obviously, there's the hotly debated
theory that the disappearance was brought about by a psychedelic experience gone wrong. But there
are some additional theories. While some have postulated that Anu sent dropping off at the paved

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section of road might mean she had run off with an unknown party in a bid to flee her family and
friends to find freedom. Others have speculated whether she may have been forcibly abducted from
that same location instead. And while it seems far fetched, the name of at least one infamous

(55:14):
serial killer has been mentioned in passing, if not directly in connection to her case. No,
I think that the consensus is that this is unlikely, just given the remoteness of the location.
But I am going to read to you some comments here. As a Washington resident, I find it more plausible

(55:41):
that she died of something nature-related than foul play. Although I recognize foul play is possible.
I'm not familiar with the environments of the campground she left, but the forests are dense here.
Think of how hard it was to locate many of Ridgeways victims.

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Never Bundy did I believe come up in an additional comment that I did not save.
Good. Hashtag never. I was hoping you were going to say him.
No, unfortunately, just based on the geographic location,

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Ridgeway would be the more relevant arguably, but in one of the Reddit threads that I was looking at,
someone posted a link to a YouTube video and they were insistent that the person that they saw in
the video was on you. Having watched a portion of this YouTube video, I can safely say I do not believe

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this person is on you and I sincerely hope it is not. It is someone who is clearly unhoused
and may or may not be experiencing mental illness and/or some substance issues.
Not great. The section of the comments not necessarily related to that, but this is kind of in the same

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region of that block that I'm going to read from. It starts really, who, when, and where did you see this?
And then it really just takes a hard left and they go in a different direction.
There is another thread. It is not interesting to read and it is upsetting if you think that you

(57:54):
are about to see a video of a person that has been missing and maybe this case assault, hope beyond hope.
I can only imagine for anybody that actually knew her even tangentially how they would have felt
and arguably, wow, just what a shitty feeling. And there are purportedly multiple people that

(58:21):
did know her that had been active in these threads and that person who did view the video and comment
and respond said, you know, this is a hard no. This is definitely not her.
It's heartbreaking to think about them opening that link. And like in a weird way, hoping beyond hope

(58:46):
that maybe this is her and she's safe and maybe there's some sort of explanation or I can't. I mean,
the hardest thing about a missing person's case has to be that you just don't have answers. And to
think that you're going to get an answer, whether it's the good, bad, or the ugly, even for a minute, I,

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yeah, this is a local in the area that's commented. I want to add for people unfamiliar with the area,
there is no cell phone reception and no satellite reception. Even though it's 2013, she wouldn't
have been able to just call someone to pick her up in the remote woods like that. That campground is

(59:34):
really remote and in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of wilderness areas just east and north
of the creek. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, forest service road. And this is another one where it's
potentially someone that knows her or knows of her. I know her and her brothers well, but move to New

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York. She was like my little sister. I grew up with the whole family and gotten trouble and stuff,
even stole car ones with her brother, LOL. But she was the brightest energy you could ever imagine.
And a waste to the world. And if her brother knew anything at all, I don't see how he would not say

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anything. I don't get it. He was protective over her. And one more comment, I saw a report that human
remains were found in that area in August. Testing being done should know soon. So that is the one

(01:00:43):
comment in this particular thread that hints at the latest theory from the Schomania County
Sheriff's Office on August 10, 2024. A hiker rec creating in the big lava bed located within the
Gifford Pinchot National Forest in eastern Schomania County reported locating human remains.

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The hiker found a human skull and captured the GPS coordinates of location. A deputy responded
to the location the next day, but was unable to locate the skull reported. The hiker volunteered
to return to the area accompanied by a Schomania County Sergeant. And the skull was recovered

(01:01:31):
on August 15, 2024. Wow. Based on the preliminary investigation, it is believed the remains
belong to a hiker that went missing in 2013. The missing hiker was last observed in the big lava bed,

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and after numerous coordinated search efforts was never located. The skull, along with other
remains located in the area, was transported to the Clark County Medical Examiner's Office for
Definitive Identification. This is an ongoing investigation and no risk to the public has been

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identified. Though we could not find any indication that law enforcement has provided confirmation
or even publicly speculated about the possible identity of the remains, many believe they are likely
either Maureen Kelly or Christopher Zitziewicz going out on a limb here and I'm guessing on the

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pronunciation. I didn't bring up my proposal this year just because I wanted to talk about that.
Or even just because it lines up with this time of year. Arguably, the discovery of the remains,
that was literally within a couple of weeks of my wedding. Yeah. And it's nice to reminisce about

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like the good things that have happened in my life. I mean, getting engaged was super exciting. So much
though that I but dialed pictures of my wrist. And being a newlywet is another major milestone in my
life. But it hit me when I got to a certain point in my research for this case that

(01:03:28):
auto is only a handful of years younger than us. It's not like it's the first time that I looked
into a disappearance of a young woman. Obviously for some reason, something about this case just,
it just hit different. It just hits somehow in a specific way at a specific time and that's how

(01:03:56):
we know when we want to talk about something. It's just there's so much, there's so much to experience
in life between ages 19 to 31. This September would mark her 32nd birthday. And I was doing a

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lot of the same things that Anu did at that age. Even the ones that drew her so much
eye are all over the internet, all the way in her disappearance. Anybody ever been to
Sobby's Island? You know, do you remember at the very beginning of this episode when I was like,
oh, you sent me news? Like, how did I know this is the that would have fit so well into this episode?

(01:04:43):
Yeah. Oh my gosh, you guys, I have been to a beach where it is permissible to be nude. Yeah.
I'm in. What I will say is that I think how we view people, it changes based on some of the choices

(01:05:06):
that they make and then when they go missing, everything is under a microscope, but none of it
makes her less missing. Marine Kelly was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance.
An Asian Pacific Islander female with black hair, brown eyes, about 5 feet, 7 inches tall, weighing

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roughly 150 to 160 pounds. And whether it's the recent remains that helped to identify and bring
her home, I hope her family has answers someday soon. This is just one that I didn't know going into

(01:05:55):
this that there was potentially an update. Yeah. Wow. So they still haven't identified it at all?
They have not released the identity of the remains. Oftentimes for remains that are recovered,
when they do testing like this, it can take a significant amount of time before that

(01:06:23):
result is back and then even more so before the public is made available or made aware of the results.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's not uncommon for it to take months, sometimes and I think honestly,
based on everything that I have seen as an observer, it very possibly, very unfortunately,

(01:06:51):
typically years. We need to know. I know. I mean, not just us mostly for their families and
their friends and loved ones, but like also us. Everybody, everybody, like just we need to know. We,
the collective we we need to know. We are going to do the braid and I really hope they figure it out.

(01:07:24):
I know. Just like have some answers. Okay. I'm going to go with this one because something
when I split the deck this last time, I have drawn the king of swords. Oh, when I split the deck,
I just felt like I was drawn to that and I guess we are going to see. Okay. Okay.

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What animal was on it? It looks like a like a heron of some sorry. Okay. I'm going to read the main
interpretation and then we'll we'll take a look at the little buck. Okay. Our key words are judgment,
intelligence, mental power and communication. In some decks, the king of swords sits on a throne

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wearing royal robes and a crown and brandishing a mighty battle sword. Other decks show him in
military armor in a reading he may represent an actual person in which case he's usually a mature man
known for his intelligence, communication skills, fairness and objectivity. The upright king

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represents intellectual pursuits, communication and spiritual knowledge and steady. A spiritual
quest. Yes. Yeah. I know. I was kind of that's exactly what I was thinking. Interesting.
You may be mastering a mental task or using your communication skills successfully.

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Sometimes this card indicates a decision, judgment or legal matter. If the king signifies an actual
person, he may seem stern, analytical or aloof, perhaps a lawyer or judge, a professor, military
leader, scientist or religious leader. A cult leader? I'm not picking up that vibe, but it I sort of

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was thinking hmm maybe. I just hear a lot of the word judgment too and it just make me think of
the comments like they'll all of the judgment from the people. So much judgment. And I feel like
just based unfortunately not on a lot. Yeah. In a reading about money, the king upright recommends

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taking charge of a financial matter. Do your homework don't let your emotions influence a decision
involving money or investments. This card may also mean profiting from intellectual endeavour.
Which I assume means everyone is joining the Patreon.
It just made me think of like what you were saying of how we don't make very good decisions when

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we're younger and maybe like more, I don't know more emotional. If that's the right word, but you
were saying like our brain is fully developed or not making like really good decisions. So.
No, I think that that is such a good point to draw though because it is it's a little bit more
like leading from your heart because you just don't maybe have the experience to indicate

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where you maybe should do otherwise. Yeah. If the reading is about your job, it may indicate you work
in a field that requires keen intelligence, good communication or analytical ability. The king
advises you to show leadership regarding decisions or judgments. Clarity and objectivity are

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important. That almost makes me think of like the sheriff. I don't know. I'm sort of thinking about
some of the statements that they have released and they're saying like it's unusual for this particular
set of circumstances, but we don't have any indication that you know drugs are involved.

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Thinking about sort of coming from a place of objectivity. Interreading about love, the king symbolizes
a relationship based on shared interests and ideas rather than passion. You and or your partner
resist expressing deep emotions, preferring a friendly partnership. Perhaps you fear losing

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independence if you open your heart. Oh, she wanted to be like free. Didn't you say something about
like freedom or were you just yeah, were people speculating that she um it's hard to know how much
is speculation and how much people have extrapolated even on direct quotes from people close to

(01:12:15):
the situation. I will say I was correct. It was a it was a blue hair and oh yeah, great blue hair and
authority born of rational thought clarity of mind and purpose insight seriousness and strictness

(01:12:38):
exacting standards and truth truth. Yeah, I feel like I don't know I feel I feel as though there was
something sort of that she was searching for. I don't think that like people have speculated that
you know maybe she was looking to you know escape her life. I don't know I wasn't there and I don't

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know her but I do think there are a lot of people that would like to see this case solved. Yeah
and certainly all of us that are on the periphery are the least of all concerns obviously but
I really do hope that her family will get some answers. I think it's possible certainly. It's a

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distinct but unlikely possibility that some of what her brother has posted on social media is
performative and I know that there are cases where maybe I would maybe I would say the same thing
that other people have. I think that it's it's such a jaded perspective based on the information

(01:13:50):
that we have and I really hope that doesn't color people's perception of the case enough that you
know they're not they're not doing the hard work that needs to be done in order to find her.
I hope that doesn't keep a missing person missing. I did want to add because listen it's been a minute

(01:14:18):
since I've checked our PO box. We did have some mail. Also we had a package. Oh so I wanted to just share
while we're here and you can say hi to everybody and acknowledge receipt officially.
We got your mail. We got it. Okay so we have actually I think we have a couple of Christmas cards. I

(01:14:46):
did receive some messages because people did not realize that our PO box had changed. We did have
our PO box for it did to what degree of success remains to be seen. We've got a Christmas card.
This was emailed to us a few weeks back. They had some issues with the

(01:15:14):
forwarding from our old PO box. I know. We tried. I know we tried. Okay they did not make it easy.
So thank you Sean and John. Your dogs are unbelievably adorable in these little cartoons.
Yeah you're going to want to see this when we're like back in person you can see this.

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Oh my god. Okay and then I'm assuming we can share this. We can message Sam to find out. But
okay so you can't really see this but on the back he has done something that all of my Midwestern
relatives have done. I presume for generations he has written a note so that we know where he was

(01:16:06):
and when. Oh I love that. I love when people do that because my mom would do that all the time.
That's my favorite thing. I know. I'm like is it even a photo if you don't know where it was taken?
Sam at Oregon Ghost Con 2024. He is wearing the Ghost Con hat in the photo. That is so cool. I

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want. I know. I know. We have to go. I know we got to go. We got to go. Okay so this we received from
our friends at Sins and Survivors. They are based in Nevada, Sean and John. This says which
you call Drin. Okay. Okay. And it has a sticker that says you've always had the power my dear.

(01:17:00):
You just had to learn it for yourself. Which is from the Wizard of Oz. So let's see that sounds
pretty familiar. Couple of theater kids over here. Okay. We just made our own musical on a Patreon
bonus earlier. Yeah. Okay. Oh. Oh. The Celtic Cross. A guide to using your tarot class. Oh cool. I love

(01:17:29):
those things. We got to use it. Yeah. Doll. Hey, we got to use this really nice gift someone got
for us. This is so soft. Oh, it's it's silky on one side but then like fuzzy on the other.
Like Vail rit. Like Vail. Oh, that's so cool. Nice. I don't yeah. We don't have a lot of experiences.

(01:17:55):
Well, I don't with like spreads. So I mean, I use them but I've never had like the cloth historically.
Oh, I'm so excited about this. You know how I feel about the Celtic cross. And it's like
easier when there's like a guide. Obviously like, oh my goodness. This is like each of the card,

(01:18:18):
like the placeholders. They're embroidered. It's not just like. Oh, cool. Oh, cool. So it's not just like
laser printed or yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so fancy. God. Now we gotta send them a gift. I know.
We don't deserve you. We should do a reading for them with it. We totally should.

(01:18:43):
Oh, is there any other male that that was all we have for now? What you guys send us more male
known to say. That was plenty. This is I am so excited about. Me too. Should we do our thing? Yeah,
let's do it before this dog loses it. Tells me. Who did you put your hand in front of it?

(01:19:09):
Did Christ just put his hand in front of the camera? No. He didn't? No. Dude, I'm freaking out. Okay.
Did you see that? No. What happened? I don't have good service. Like you're just like kind of blurry.
You've been like in and out and like glitchy and that's fine. I know I don't have good service. But

(01:19:32):
just now it literally looked like someone just like put their hand in front of the camera. Like this
is a joke. So I thought Chris just walked by and like did this? No. So I don't know if it was just like
if it glitched and like zoomed in on like it will. Okay. What's funny about this is I love the both

(01:19:54):
of us were just like Chris. Yeah. I was like Chris. I fully okay. So here's the thing. What's
ironic about this is that the pod lab door has always been this like like horror movie,
creaky and like stiff like the door that everybody's like ganking on trying to escape. He fixed it.

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Cassie. Oh wow. That shit ain't the same. It opens and closes silently, which I conveniently
forgot when I thought I heard. I thought I heard it opening and closing like it used to. Oh weird.
That bitch is silent now. So I don't know what the fuck happened earlier. Well I feel like what I

(01:20:47):
was seeing was just like your camera glitching out and I don't know how to do it. I don't know.
I don't know if it's going to show it because on your like it's going to when it's recording it's
going to be smooth. Yeah. But it was just really it literally just like looked like this. But like
blurry and glitchy. Oh my god. I hate that. And it hasn't done anything like like it's been you

(01:21:14):
and your face will kind of glitch out and stuff, but it hasn't done this full screen like.
It looked like a blue hand. That was so weird. Blue hand? Yeah like I thought it was like like I'm
being haunted by a fucking avatar. I was like I thought it was like your lighting, but that wouldn't
really make sense. No. The blue eyes are on this side. Okay. I'm going to start can't I'm going to

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start video-camoring the screen seriously. Wow that was insanely creepy. I'm thinking about that
now for a really long time. Yeah. I got to watch the video back then because I am curious like anything
up. Ah. Okay. I feel like we have not had anything really all that weird happen in this apartment.

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It's you're doing you're doing what you shouldn't do. Renovating. You renovated.
No. I did was fix the door. Just the hinges. Just the hinges. The ghost said not that they
be renovating. But there wasn't a ghost here before. We're getting rowdy. It's renovation season.

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I see a hammer. Let's go. Oh my god. No. Do a nice do a nice cleansing of your of the office.

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Have a creepy day. We'll see you next Tuesday. Unless a big giant blue hand just like covers up my
face forever. Gosh. Please be safe. We do want to see you next Tuesday. So if you go into the woods,
be safe. If you need to go on a spiritual journey, just please do it safely and with people. And yeah,

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maybe pack some clothes just just in case you get lost. That would be good. But also there's nothing
wrong with free ball. And if that's what you want to do too. That's for sure. Come to tarot with us.
The way. Oh. She's such a piggy. He's such a little piggy. Oh my god. She's so cute. No. I just want

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smush her face. I know. She's got a really smushable face. So smushable. Okay, maybe I'll throw
some food in her bowl. Okay, so we can finish this shit. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com