November 19, 2024 • 63 mins
In this episode, we dive into the shocking 2016 case of Benjamin Jay Barber, one of the first individuals convicted under Oregon’s groundbreaking ‘revenge porn’ legislation House Bill 2596 — a groundbreaking law criminalizing the unlawful dissemination of intimate images. This and other pivotal cases shed light on the darker corners of the internet, the loopholes in privacy laws, and the consequences of weaponizing intimate content. (Just one of the many reasons that we can’t have nice things).
Barber, sentenced to a mere six months in jail and five years of probation, became a grim example of how revenge porn devastates victims and exposes the urgent need for stronger protections. While his case may have proved a legal landmark, it also revealed significant gaps in enforcement—raising questions about why perpetrators like Barber often avoid being classified as sex offenders. Why do we still struggle to balance free speech with basic human decency? Caitlyn doesn’t hold back as she critiques the societal norms and legal blind spots that let predators exploit others with impunity.
But this isn’t just about one man. In this episode, we also examine the broader cultural and legal implications of cases like Barber's. From the shocking up-skirt photo case at a Target store in Beaverton, Oregon to the broader prevalence of nonconsensual pornography, we explore how systemic failures allow predators to thrive—and what changes are still desperately needed. Listen as we unravel the devastating consequences of these crimes, the problematic gaps in justice, and the role of – you guessed it, the always problematic, patriarchy, in perpetuating these abuses.
This week we introduced you to Ashley from That’s So Fcked Up! A true crime lite podcast about cults, murder and other generally fcked up stuff.
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts. Sources - Pastebin decided the content was too risqué so email us if you'd like to see the sources for this week.
Barber, sentenced to a mere six months in jail and five years of probation, became a grim example of how revenge porn devastates victims and exposes the urgent need for stronger protections. While his case may have proved a legal landmark, it also revealed significant gaps in enforcement—raising questions about why perpetrators like Barber often avoid being classified as sex offenders. Why do we still struggle to balance free speech with basic human decency? Caitlyn doesn’t hold back as she critiques the societal norms and legal blind spots that let predators exploit others with impunity.
But this isn’t just about one man. In this episode, we also examine the broader cultural and legal implications of cases like Barber's. From the shocking up-skirt photo case at a Target store in Beaverton, Oregon to the broader prevalence of nonconsensual pornography, we explore how systemic failures allow predators to thrive—and what changes are still desperately needed. Listen as we unravel the devastating consequences of these crimes, the problematic gaps in justice, and the role of – you guessed it, the always problematic, patriarchy, in perpetuating these abuses.
This week we introduced you to Ashley from That’s So Fcked Up! A true crime lite podcast about cults, murder and other generally fcked up stuff.
Visit our website! Find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Patreon, & more! If you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories you'd like to share with us & possibly have them read (out loud) on an episode, email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or use this link. There are so many ways that you can support the show: BuyMeACoffee, Spreaker, or by leaving a rating & review on Apple Podcasts. Sources - Pastebin decided the content was too risqué so email us if you'd like to see the sources for this week.
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[MUSIC]
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Listen, I'm here for Free the Nipple.
If that's what the owner of said Nipple, so desires,
we have to admit that the fact that laws in the US and in any particular state
and question didn't prevent something like this from happening to an unsuspecting minor,
a child, that's problematic.
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[MUSIC]
Hi, Cassie.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, creepy people.
Oh, hello.
Hello.
This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime.
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How frequently I bite my lip, also the paranormal.
And I don't know some other stuff too.
A lot of other spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest.
Yes.
PNW, if you're nasty.
We also talk about some tarot at the end of the episode.
We do a little card poll just for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day.
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Yeah, that's true.
It's fun.
Yeah, sometimes I take a brief break from chewing on my own face to do that.
I was going to say your lip chewing is kind of like true crime and paranormal.
I don't know about that, but cannibalism.
Yeah.
Oh, goodness.
Oh, hopefully that's not your story today.
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No.
Okay, good.
So I can't handle it today.
No, no cannibalism.
Actually, that's one that I haven't really covered frequently.
It doesn't come up in a lot of my cases.
I feel like it did come up.
It has.
Okay.
But it's one of my no-nose.
So, yeah.
So I kind of tend to, I guess, gravitate towards other things.
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Yeah, the only cannibalism we like is like the Kesha song, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactimundo.
I just realized I'm still all zipped up
than you're a tracksuit.
I was going to say what did you call this earlier tracksuit.
I'm basically just wearing pajamas.
These are pajamas, okay?
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It's a tracksuit, whatever.
Okay, you're making it sound worse than it is.
I just heard it.
Early 2000s tracksuit.
I'm surprised it's not bright pink.
Oh my god, I hate you.
I hate you and Chris because he said,
does it say juicy on the ass?
I love it.
They're coming back.
You're very in fashion right now.
I never had a juicy tracksuit.
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Meaning there.
Yeah, I wasn't that cool.
I feel like this isn't the point in my life where I'm going to start either, you know?
Like, I had like a pair of the pink sweatpants that said pink on the butt.
Oh yeah.
Victoria's secret, but that was it.
Yeah.
And they were like low rise, so they didn't even fit on my butt because my butt is big fat juicy.
One, I think at the point where that was really, really popular,
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that's when I worked at the Victoria's Secret at the mall.
So I got all kinds of, all kinds of stuff.
Thongs 5 for 25.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
Now it was like 10 for 25 sometimes.
It was just like, we'll pay you to take them.
Please, we have too many.
Yeah.
Extra small.
Extra extra small.
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A flash.
Yeah.
Anyways, I wanted to show, this is one of the shirts that I made for an event.
And we had a couple of people comment on Patreon recently that they're like,
where can I get that shirt?
And I was like, oh, I guess technically you can.
Because I just signed it.
And it was like partially a design that tail in did.
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And I like did some other little like, tweaky things to it and ordered it for my science.
They're so cute.
Eventually we'll get them up for people.
We just, yeah, I, I, I time to figure it out.
Yeah, I commented on Patreon though actually that I was going to try to make like an official,
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get my shit together basically and make an official like announcement and let people know.
I was thinking we should do a,
I keep wanting to call it like a pre order.
But it's, I mean, I guess technically a pre order, but also not.
But just do like a limited merch run for the Patreon and put this bad boy in there.
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Yeah, so I was thinking I might try to do that.
And I basically just have people sign up and let us know if they want there.
If you want one because we don't want to print a bunch if nobody wants them.
But they're so cute.
They're super cute.
You should have told me I would have worn mine today.
Well, I'm kind of cold.
So I'm in a sweater.
I was going to say I almost brought my heat up blanket and I'm kind of regretting.
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I think I have a heating pad if it gets desperate.
So yeah, we're just talking about that.
I have a headache and it feels good when my head is cold,
but not when the rest of my body is cold.
Yeah, it's a complicated situation.
Where my migraine people say it.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Or the one who wants to make for your brain.
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I just wanted to say before I actually get started with the case at the episode today.
This is one that I think I teased like, I don't know, months ago.
Because I did another case that kind of had to do with a similar topic.
And I didn't really go in depth about this specifically.
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But I'd been wanting to do it for a while.
And then for a little while, it was like, oh, this is going to be a bonus episode.
And then there was a lot more than I thought.
And here we are.
So I've hinted at this topic before.
I don't know if anybody remembers.
I barely remember.
So yeah, you know what it is also.
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So I don't remember.
Yeah.
I know you've said it earlier today.
Probably and I don't remember.
So oh, I remember.
Goldfish brain.
I don't think you do because I maybe I don't.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, you're thinking of the other one.
Oh, the one that we were talking about doing with our one of our party besties.
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I am thinking of that one.
Yeah, I'm not doing that one.
So I'm no clue what this is.
This is exciting.
Everybody really knows.
Jesus Christ.
Shot up and get to it.
Got to do it.
And now yeah, that's the one thing.
I do actually I have some screenshots of a couple of like comments and reviews
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that have come in recently from people who
clearly need to find a documentary to watch.
Right.
Yes.
Not everybody loves the banter.
And to that I say,
we perhaps are not the podcast for you.
Should we banter for 10 more minutes before we start just to piss those people off?
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Oh my gosh.
Well, they're already pissed off.
Somebody and this is really funny.
I really do think maybe when we do the tarot,
I will pull it the screenshot and actually read it.
Because like it was a very specifically like it.
It sounded like she was our mom and she was disappointed.
And there were some very specific like guidelines and like,
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like these are action items.
And I'll check back.
Oh, oh, right.
Yeah, is this the one you showed me the other day?
Yeah, I think so.
And you were like, that's not going to happen.
But thank you.
You can start a podcast.
Look, if you don't like our podcast, start your own.
Yeah.
Or find one of the other millions that yeah, doesn't talk.
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You guys, it's like a really inexpensive hobby and or business to start.
I just feel like everyone should do it.
Or like you said, find a documentary, find something else.
Yeah, find if you don't like us.
You don't have to stay here.
Yeah.
I mean, we hope you do.
We hope our creepy people who love us stay here.
Yeah.
Honestly, like whatever you can do to help us with our, you know,
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download numbers and retention rate would be great.
All right.
In July of 2016, a 31 year old man was sentenced to six months in jail and five years of probation
after pleading not guilty to several charges before the Washington County Court in Hillsboro, Oregon.
Ooh, Hillsboro.
Yeah, we know her.
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I know.
It's only six months.
Yeah.
So probably wasn't that bad of a crime, right?
You might argue.
I guess we'll see.
No, I think that's kind of exactly the reaction I would expect you to have.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate.
Oh no.
He was found guilty by the jury of five counts of unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
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Though it should be noted that he will not be required to register as a sex offender.
And to be honest, I think that's at least one fuck up in this case.
You know, aside from just him as a person, the perpetrator, he's definitely a fuck up of a human.
Wow.
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Okay.
That's pretty serious.
Yeah.
Sure is.
I mean, you wouldn't know it based on the sentencing.
Right.
You picked it right up.
I was putting it down.
You picked it up.
You get it.
You're welcome.
I'm glad I could be here for you to pick up your things.
Pick up my things.
Always cleaning up after this bitch.
That is my job.
Just cleaning up after people.
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So, yeah.
There you go.
Nailed it.
Benjamin J. Barber of Hillsboro was also ordered not to contact his victim or her family.
Oh nice.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Great.
Judge Beth Roberts also ordered him to attend a survivor's impact panel.
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Hopefully they just duct tape him to the chair and gag him for maximum impact.
Right.
So, he doesn't speak during it or interrupt or exactly.
And I know probably some people are like,
"But, Caitlyn, what about the Geneva Convention?"
What about it?
Who is Geneva.
I never heard of her.
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Never heard of her.
I don't think that's technically torture through.
I don't know.
Is that the thing where you can like shouldn't torture people?
Yeah.
It's basically the code of conduct or the rules of engagement for
conflict.
But the military can do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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I mean, it kind of outlines basically like, "Hey, so it's not super chill when you like,
I don't know, go after like unarmed civilians and stuff."
Yeah.
That doesn't sound cool.
I don't know anywhere in the world that that's happening right now.
No, me neither.
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Certainly not being funded by all of the largest corporations.
The world is hard right now, you guys.
The world, it's a tough place.
Yeah.
And the neutrals still listen to this.
So, boy.
At the time of his conviction, he was believed to be amongst the first of a very elite group of
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creeps to be charged under Oregon House Bill 2596, which states that it provides that
a person who records another person's intimate areas commits a crime of invasion of privacy.
Because no duh.
Sure.
But somehow we have to codify everything that should be basic human decency
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so that when some gross-ass douche canoe acts against others within the community, they can be punished.
I mean, if they have to put like warning labels, like, don't put this firework on your head.
Don't eat the tide pod.
Yeah.
I guess, yeah.
I feel like I'm not that surprised.
Yeah.
I don't see it getting a whole lot better.
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Which is why we can't have nice things.
I want to keep my nice body parts to me.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I just had to show them.
Yeah.
Which I might.
Yeah.
Only fans.
The House Bill summary further states that the amendment to ORS 163.700 creates crime of
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unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
It punishes by maximum of one year imprisonment a $6,250 fine or both for first offense
and five years imprisonment $125,000 fine or both for subsequent offense.
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Shit.
So I mean, he could have at least gotten a full year.
I know.
Like, why six months, that's yes.
I don't know.
A year.
A nice round number.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have a year to think about what you did with someone else's private intimate zones.
Yeah.
That's right.
Barber told Oregon reporters that the videos he posted of himself and a partner were
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copyrighted.
That he had the right to post them and that his victim tried to use the videos as blackmail.
I mean, that's not cool if that happened.
I mean, it's not.
He's the one that posted that.
Right.
So how is you posting them?
She's trying to blackmail unless she tried first.
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Like, oh, I'm going to post these if you don't.
He's like, well, fuck, I'm just going to post them anyway.
Yeah.
No.
Anyways, it's like a likely story.
I mean, come on, dude.
Luckily, this he said, she said, has a slightly different ending than what most of us have
become all too accustomed to hearing.
I mean, kind of not really.
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It's still a very broad turner outcome in my mind.
Give him a full year.
And honestly, I think if he posted multiple images or multiple videos,
each one should be a separate offense.
Oh, yeah.
So then not?
I'm not sure how much or what specifically he posted.
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There's a lot of it that obviously to kind of protect the person who's already been victimized.
It's like obvious.
And I wouldn't want to go look at it now if I could, but yeah.
Yeah.
Nothing.
So Benjamin J or BJ, which side note is something I sincerely, sincerely,
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hope he never receives again.
Uploaded not just one, but multiple videos of himself and the woman to various websites
of a pornographic nature.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
So like I said, I mean, yes, it's more than one.
Obviously, I didn't look at them and I hope that nobody can anymore.
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I hope so too.
Yeah.
Now that we're uploading to YouTube, I almost auto corrected to corn.
You know, I never heard that until the other day when it was on like a,
it was on a real someone sent me.
I don't remember.
But it said something about this is in the how to corn emoji.
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And I was like, huh?
Was I like, oh, porn?
I love that.
Of course, the videos were produced while the two were a couple during what I assume were
happier times.
I hope so.
I hope she was having fun at least in them.
Yeah.
By the time good old BJ posts them, it was in the aftermath of their breakup.
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Not cool, dude.
What do they call that?
Revenge corn.
The revenge of the corn.
Yes, exactly.
Not cool, dude.
Which is actually essentially a direct quote from the judge.
Not cool, dude.
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She was like, wow.
His defense counsel argued that he believed he had the right to do what he wanted with the videos.
And also that for some reason he felt like his ex-romantic partner had no particular right to
privacy.
Just the fact that you would assume that.
It's like make it make sense.
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In title, man.
That's just a man being entitled bullshit.
Yes.
Red pill.
Here's the thing.
All of the reporting indicates that she only discovered the videos existed after he threatened to
upload them.
So that adds a whole extra layer.
So she didn't know she was being filmed.
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Doesn't sound like that's fucked.
That's fucked.
Yeah.
So thanks for making this such a clear cut case of straight up Revenge corn beach.
Beach.
Seriously though, I'm sure the prosecution was ready to come to the table with all the receipts,
but it sounds like I mean, he basically he served it up on a platter.
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Wow.
He admitted.
Just the circumstances like she did not consent to being recorded in the first place.
Not that if you had been then it makes it right.
No, but no.
Just because you recorded that doesn't then also give somebody permission to go
anywhere.
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But what was she wearing?
Yeah.
And just in case you were tempted into thinking that this might be an isolated incident for some reason,
you've lived like Bambi in the woods.
Oh, although let's be honest, Bambi didn't have it so easy either.
No.
Like do you not read or watch the news?
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My questions because yeah, he's not the only dude.
Yeah.
Not the only dude for like a long time too.
Like I'm sure this isn't happening forever and ever.
Oh yeah.
I'm sure drawings of naked ladies have been shared amongst men.
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Oh yeah.
People have them tattooed which, you know, if it's not of a particular person,
right?
And it's your body to what you wish, but okay, listen.
When we get to it because yes, obviously there's a whole gaggle of these ridiculous individuals.
This is what made me so fucking hangry.
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I'm scared of Caitlyn right now.
It's not great when I go nonverbal, but that's how you know.
Okay, I mean, I'm just going to let you know.
This is not a joke.
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Jay David Leatherwood.
I'm not laughing you said it's not a joke.
It honestly seems like he like his name is a porn name.
Yeah, leather wood.
I can't believe it.
Well, he descendants to two years of probation and 80 hours of community service
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after entering an amended guilty plea to three counts under the revenge porn law in the very same
court.
So we're not even talking about like, these are,
they're all in the same small local court doing the same exact
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disgusting shit.
No, and I'm going to be honest, it's all like in a pretty close timeline.
So just extrapolating out for how many disgusting
instances of this that there must be a hit it.
This was after he posted sexually explicit images of a woman on the internet.
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Also in July of 2016, clearly learning nothing from BeeJ's experience before a judge.
But the name like that, he was clearly destined for the adult entertainment industry, but
that comes with regulation.
So I guess he decided to go another way.
Why don't you just post your own self?
I don't get like, or find somebody else who's interested in the same thing.
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Isn't that more fun when they're like actually enjoying it and interested in it?
Not if you're garbage.
The most egregious and appalling case that I want to touch on briefly comes from
also Washington County.
Where prosecutors charged Patrick Buono with invasion of privacy for taking photos,
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up skirt photos of a 13 year old girl in a Beaverton target store.
That's gross.
It gets grosser.
Because Patrick was a 61 year old man at the time, which is horrifying, but there's still more
because of course there is.
I don't want Patrick the pervert in my head when I go to target.
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But he lives there now, rent free because the judge that presided over his case
found he'd violated no law.
Isn't that like child porn?
Unfortunately, at the time, that was true.
He had broken no law.
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Because there are no child porn laws, but it wasn't that long ago.
I'm going to get to it.
Oh my god.
I got 13.
Are you kidding me?
Okay.
I just feel like I don't know if there's a way that I can like,
say, I might have to read it off a couple of times because it just takes a minute to wrap your head
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around how disgusting this like justification is.
And it's another one of those things where it's like,
we have to put that into law.
Like, this is fucking Christ.
No common sense.
No decency.
Just absolute trash.
Fortunately or unfortunately, I don't even know which way is up in this case.
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If I'm being honest, the girl was wearing underwear.
So, Buono's actions constituted neither invasion of privacy nor child pornography.
Wow.
I think I just assumed that like, underwear is still private and like taking a picture of a kid
in their underwear is still porn.
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But right, it's not and here's the thing.
Either way, whether it's an image of a child or of an adult,
like to me, that constitutes an image that's pornographic in nature.
If it's a child, we classify that as child sex abuse materials.
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Yeah.
So like just on multiple fronts, just no.
No.
I feel like, so I could see people making the argument like, it's like a bathing suit or whatever.
But I feel like if you're wearing clothes,
right, you didn't choose to walk out and public in a bathing suit.
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Yeah.
If you're wearing clothes, if someone is going underneath your clothes without your consent,
like that's just, but should just be a no-brainer.
Yeah, I'm so glad that we're on the same page here.
This could have been the end of our friendship if we weren't.
I know, right?
Can you imagine?
Oh my god.
The judge called Buono's behavior "lude" and appalling.
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Wait, his name is Bono.
I mean, I think it's pronounced “Bwono?"
Buono?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm like, don't ruin Sonny's good name like that.
Okay.
I know.
It's so funny because I kept thinking about that when I was writing this.
Anyway, this was major news at the time here in the Pacific Northwest, at least.
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I remember hearing about this case and I was like,
"Lah?"
"I don't."
Obviously long before the pod.
Yeah.
Now, this next section, I'm lifting directly from the courthouse news service article that I found
dated December 2nd of 2016.
Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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34.
Not all 51.
I was like, how many states do we have again?
I like to say 51, just to be funny, but...
Can we guess the states that don't have the Revenge porn laws?
Yeah, I mean, I bet you could probably guess a lot in the South.
Okay.
Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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However, US Representative Jackie Spear, a Democrat from California,
introduced the Intimate Privacy Protection Act in Congress,
which would make Revenge porn a federal crime.
Out here, just doing the Lord's work.
It should be a federal crime.
Yeah.
It should be a world crime.
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Yeah. It should be against the Geneva Convention.
Crime against humanity.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, it just makes it so that judges' hands aren't tied in a disgusting case where it's like everything in
your body and your brain says like, "Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck."
But you can't do anything about it.
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That would be so shitty.
I can't even imagine. I feel like that has to really shake people that went into
law enforcement or the judicial system hoping to actually do something meaningful in their
career that has a positive impact on the world.
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I feel like that's a priest who finds out God's not real.
I mean, I mean.
Kind of simpler to that.
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah.
Civil rights advocates, including the American Civil Liberties Union, have opposed
federal legislation against revenge porn, as well as state laws stating that they are
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overboard and restrict free speech.
To show someone else's body is restricting free speech?
No.
The argument here is that the way that some...
the way that it's worded is to broad in some cases.
And here I have a quote that kind of expands on why they feel like that's a case.
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This is a quote.
So we know somebody actually said these words and I'm not making them up.
And I don't want to be associated with this, but here we go.
Oh, God.
You shouldn't need a permission slip to post images of horrific torture from
Abu Ghraib or the Nape Home Girl photograph that contributed mightily to changing American attitudes
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about the Vietnam War, said ACLU Attorney.
We roll in in a written response to an Arizona law that banned publishing any new photo without
the subject's consent.
And in a way, I can understand the argument because specifically in Abu Ghraib and I'm not
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well-versed in all of the specifics of what happened at Abu Ghraib.
But I do know that there was a lot of just general torture, but there was torture specifically of like a
sadistic sexual nature.
So again, in that instance, is it wrong to publish something that basically
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sheds light on that horrific situation?
That's such a difficult, but one of these things is not like the other.
Yeah, I feel like they're very different, but that's still like a person that was yeah tortured
and had horrible things done to them and like how are they?
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I don't know if they're passed on, but like how how would they feel about that being shared?
I don't know.
It is difficult. Yeah, I feel like depending on whether it's posthumous or the person is still alive
that maybe has an impact on how people feel about whether or not those images should be shared.
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I think specifically when it comes to sharing those types of images in a journalistic capacity,
there are things that can be done in order to protect the identity of that individual
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so that the message about like, you know, as he's saying, you know, horrific torture.
So the things like that can be brought to light, but also with, you know, respect to a victim.
The difference is that none of these guys, you know, like Benjamin, he's not
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guttle beige. He's not blurring the face of his ex-girlfriend who he recorded without her knowledge.
Yeah, there has to be like language you can put into the lot. Like they're smart people.
They can figure out a way to write in, but I do agree that I guess that is really broad and
and it should have something. Like quick, we need an English major. Yeah. We need
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Caitlyn. She's gonna write the, get a lawyer in an English major in a room together
or better yet, maybe a lawyer who was also an English major in their undergrad, you know.
Fuck yeah, like it's that hard.
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Fucking sharks? Eight mark under the dinghy. After his dad dies, he fucking marries all his dad's
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Find That So Fucked Up, anywhere you listen to podcasts. That's what. Check them out, creepy people.
Their info is in our show notes.
A federal judge in Arizona ordered the state to stop enforcing that law last year in a settlement
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with a coalition of publishers, librarians and photographers. Listen, I'm here for free the
nipple if that's what the owner of said nipple so desires, but you have to admit that the fact that
laws in the US and in any particular state in question didn't prevent something like this from
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happening to an unsuspecting minor, a child. That's problematic. So they didn't change the law. They
just like got rid of it entirely to my knowledge, at least at the time when I would, you know,
this is something that certainly in the last few months since I first started researching this case,
it's possible that there could have been a change to that. I'm not really perusing Arizona case
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precedent and stuff like on the day, but still that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Hot take, but if you don't
know the difference between shit like upskirt videos, which is what legislation like this
is intended to criminalize along with revenge porn versus images of war crimes, etc.
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That really should be covered under freeze speech to protect the integrity of journalism.
There's no amount of legislating that will help your sick dumb ass. Man, again, we shall continue to
have exactly zero nice things in this reality. It kind of makes you hope we are living in a simulation.
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I can't wait for the next simulation, you guys.
What do we move on to the like what do we have to do? Do you think like if we go to the
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Scientology place where you were, you know, cursing out Tom Cruise, how much you have to donate to move
into the next reality? I don't know. Should we go ask? Probably should we go get our things red?
Worth a shot. I really know. I never got to want to so bad. No, I just listen. I want to fake ID
though. So I can like if they ask for my ID because they probably will, right? I don't want them to
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know my true identity. Yeah. Not like they can't take a picture of my face and like Google image
search it now. I know. It's like a web series. Yeah. We're a girl that flipped off Tom Cruise in the
in the video camera outside of our building in downtown. Wow. Yeah. I mean, they've got the time
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and the resources. And the tiny Tom. Yeah. And the tiny Tom. Okay. So speaking of how we have
zero nice things in this reality. Case in point was the petition for post conviction relief that was
filed by the two numbs goals already mentioned along with a third petitioner named Jacob Patrick
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Holton. He's supposed Jacob's stupid. Oh, really? Is it like a queue situation? No, it's Jacob.
Jacob. Why? Oh, Jacob. I want to see a Jacob. Jacob. I would like that. I can get with that.
This guy just sucks. And he spells his name like Jaycob.
Anyways, if you don't suck and spell your name like that, you're fine. Yeah, you're fine. It's really
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just about the fuckery on his other areas of life. I looked into him a little bit and I'll be honest,
this topic just pissed me off so much that I decided not to tug at that thread. But apparently,
he's likely living in the tiger area of Oregon. So just a heads up on that.
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These morons filed the petition challenging the constitutionality of their convictions.
But ultimately, the petition was dismissed because and you just cannot make this shit up.
Although petitioner Barber, names two additional petitioners in the caption of the petition,
neither of these two individuals submitted the five dollar filing fee or an informal
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poprist application or signed the petition. So like literally couldn't come up with 10 bucks
and figure it the fuck out to sign a piece of paper. Interesting.
Accordingly, the court dismisses the claims of petitioners' leatherwood and hulton.
The remainder of the reasons that the petition were dismissed are equally fucking dumb.
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The court notes that petitioner initiated this action by filing a petition for post-conviction
relief under Oregon Revised Statutes. And I won't rate it all. It's not that interesting. If you
need the serial code, let me know. Him, yeah, which he seeks to remove to this court under another
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lengthy serial code. It's a thing. First, a challenge to the legality of a state court conviction
may be brought in federal court only through an application for a writ of habeas corpus,
pursuant to another legal code. Second, the removal statute cited by petitioner Barber
applies only to the removal of a civil action in which any party asserts a claim for relief
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arising under any act of Congress relating to patents, plant variety protections or copyrights.
The petition for state post-conviction relief referenced by petitioner Barber does not fall within
the purview of said statute code thing, the law. Third, and it mentions that this same very fancy code,
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maybe I should name her. Vess in the district court, original jurisdiction of any civil action
arising under any act of Congress relating to patents.
Document filed 1, 2, 2019 page 3 of 5, plant variety protection, copyrights and trademarks.
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As with the removal statute, petitioners claims do not fall within the purview.
Basically, don't be a dumbass and represent yourself, especially if you're guilty.
He pulled some fucking Ted Bundy shit here. He thought he was so smart.
Why do people think that it didn't work out for Teddy Boy?
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Like, who does this guy think he is? Monsanto?
I don't know.
That is.
They're the people that do the genetically modified seeds and shit and are ruining
single-handedly, essentially, our agricultural industry and probably our immune systems and a lot of
other... It's debatable, maybe.
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Also, you're not a plant or someone trying to patent anything plant-based.
Right. I was very confused by all that.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're too dumb to understand how to thwart the legal consequences of your actions,
and also, apparently, your friends agree to the extent that they wouldn't even risk
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five dollars on the petition. Yeah. Like, did they just not get each other's numbers to like,
you know, coordinate? Like, it's so funny.
There's a couple more pages of legalese, but I think we've mined for the gold.
We found the nuggets that are worth anything. We found the butt nuggets.
Butt nuggets?
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Beige told the Oregonian, after his sentencing, that he uploaded the videos in April,
along with all of the data and files he had on a personal server.
He said he was contemplating suicide at the time and published all the items because he wanted to
memorialize all the things that I had done.
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Okay.
The including the illegal things. I guess. Yeah.
Well, again, remember, he doesn't think that it's illegal.
It's just as I mean, just goes back to just that some in-sell shit.
I'll leave you with this excerpt from a 2021 paper entitled "The Role of Torts in the Fight Against
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Non-Consensual Pornography."
Riveting.
"By Lindsay Holcomb from the University of Pennsylvania." So, you'd be the judge.
93% of the victims of non-consensual porn are female.
"An images of women make up the vast majority of content posted on websites dedicated to non-consensual
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pornography." I'm going to say that again.
"Websites dedicated to non-consensual pornography."
It's not okay.
"Men are twice as likely to have shared non-consensual porn than women
and women are 2.5 times as likely to have been threatened with non-consensual porn."
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"People between the ages of 18 and 25 are far more likely to have perpetrated revenge porn than
people in other age groups, while people between the ages of 34 and 41 have reported the highest levels
of lifetime victimization of by non-consensual porn."
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Finally, non-consensual porn is perpetrated against sexual minorities at rates slightly higher
than against individuals who identify as heterosexual. Because, of course,
all of these statistics speak to the dominant social force driving the non-consensual dissemination
of intimate images. The exercise of mastery, coercion, and control by advantaged groups over
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the less powerful. The fucking patriarchy." Literally. "She found the classiest way to say it."
"Other than just the fucking patriarchy." "Look, this is pretty good timing for this episode."
"Yeah. I know. Just worked out that way. I've had this written for months."
Basically, what we're saying here is that, as with other true crime topics,
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unfortunately, facts of life here, people. Sorry, not sorry, because I didn't do it.
Purpose traders are disproportionately male and also fuck the fucking patriarchy.
Say it one more time.
The fucking patriarchy. The same way that sexual assault is rarely really as much about sex as we might
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think as it is about control. Surely, it must be obvious that these crimes, based largely on the
internet, really are too. It's just about having a sense of ownership or control over something that
does not belong to you. I don't understand the obsession. You have control over yourself.
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Is that not enough for people? Not for everyone. That's all I have. Besides a burning desire to shower
and scrub myself with steel wool. Yeah, same. It reminds me of the documentary I watched with the
you up website and the Swiffer girl. When I watched that documentary, it happened to be right around
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the same time as I was writing these notes. I texted you about it. You're like, "Bitch."
I'm working on it. That was a hard thing to watch. Yeah, it was really awful.
Especially with the Swiffer girl one, because she took the video and sent it to someone,
but then they passed it around the school. It's like, "Yeah, she sent it, but not with the intention
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of having everyone in the world see it and it ended up on the internet."
Honestly, I feel like not an apples to apples situation, but I feel like this sort of makes me think of
when it comes to drug enforcement laws. There are quantities that are by statute
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specified as four personal use versus if you have certain types of paraphernalia or a certain
quantity of substance of choice that is considered with its intent to distribute.
It's dissemination, which is like that's the difference in that case as well. It's like,
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"Well, that was four personal use and you intended to distribute." She was underage too.
It was obviously child porn, but it was thinking, I don't know if they address this in the
documentary not spend so long, but if you're a child taking pictures or video of your own self,
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is that considered you having porn if it's of yourself? I would imagine that that is case by case,
because every jurisdiction is going to be different, but I'm not aware of any case where
that has actually, they don't typically go after a minor for that. It would be a weird thing to go
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after. I feel like, but it just was like a thought in my head. It's like, wait, is that?
It gets into a very tricky gray area. I do know that there are instances where
law enforcement has essentially said, this is child porn, so you could be charged.
I know that technically by the letter of the law in some places, people have been told, you could
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be charged for this. I don't know that I am aware of any cases where that was actually successfully
carried out. That feels like a gross mischaracterization in just that you're victimizing a person
all over again. If in the instance, like you were talking about with the documentary, I just
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yeah, that's it was a hard one. Yeah. Well, I better go burn all of my teenage titty pictures.
So I don't get arrested. I think I do have one. I have one, but I think I was 18 when I took it.
You have to take them periodically and save them so that you can remember how beautiful you were.
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And how perky. I've heard so many people say that. Take all of the new 12 year, you know,
while you're young, you like kick it back. No, I'm ancient. No, you've got to take them now too,
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because when you're [Redacted], you're like dang. Look at them boobies!
I'm sorry. Did you say 29? I was like, we were going. I aged you. Sorry. I'm just kidding. We'll
bleep it out. We don't want anyone to know how the kid one is. Yeah. And basically a fetus.
I guess should we do some tarot? I feel like that might make us feel better. Yeah, let's do some
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tarot. Okay. Some titty tarot. So pleased with yourself. We're doing some tarot.
Tarot. Caitlyn Shuffle. She cleansed and shuffled this beautiful new deck. Do you want to tell us about
it? Oh, yeah. So I chose a deck that's vintage like all of these men with their trash ideas.
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Yeah, welcome. Housewife tarot. It's so cute. It's like vintage like 1950s, like leave it to beaver,
type imagery. It's got like what is this? Plot. Checkers. Plot. Yeah, man. Ah, paper towels. We should
use this for flail man. Yeah, I didn't even realize that was the pattern on it. Damn. That's okay.
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The mushroom one worked. Yeah, no, that was perfect. Amigurred. Okay. Give it one more good one
and then I'll spread them out for Caitlyn. Concentually. Yes. Only consensually spreading is allowed.
Oh, oh, this is so cute. Is it? I'm excited to see it. We got the two of cups. Oh, okay, but look
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though. Oh my gosh, it's like the candle you put out is like the two people. Yeah. It's picking up a
vibe. It's two people in like champagne glasses, but it's not, it's like a mimosa kind of. I think it
might be like a campari drink. That was so popular. I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of bit,
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I don't like it. I have zero time for that. Oh, wait, too bitter. What? Stop it. What? I'll have to look
it up. Okay, someone gave me a drink last night and it was like really bitter, like kind of great
fruity, orangey, cranberry. Yeah. Is it what is it? It might be a campari. That is fucking crazy. I'm
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gonna text her right now and ask her what it was. Okay. We need to know. What are the fucking chances
of that? Why? I've never even heard of this drink before last night. Really? Yeah. Well, like I said,
I have zero time for that. It was delicious. I love it. It was like bitter. Oh, like I really love
bitter. Okay. You liked it. Yeah. I really liked it. Not a fan. But good for you. Glad you had it.
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And that's so funny. Now it's like heavily featured all of a sudden. That's insane. What does it mean?
What does that mean? Okay. And on the surface, I feel like seems like maybe an odd card.
Two of cups, I feel like has such a positive connotation to it. But I feel like it's just channeling
what we've been saying this whole time. It's like, well, I'm gonna get into it. I believe you.
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Keywords for two of cups are partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation.
You need all those things to put porn out there. Sure. Sure do. I would imagine. Yes.
Please. I just think it's talking about like a healthy partnership. Yeah. Yeah.
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In many decks, the two of cups shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each other.
Hey, girl. Cheers. I'll be the man. Chalice. Okay. I'm not tall enough. So.
Okay. The card represents joining forces with someone either romantically or in a creative/spiritual
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endeavor. You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
Mutual respect and equality exists between you. So just the opposite of everything that happened here.
Exactly. All of our hopes and prayers. That's impairs.
The upright two indicates a period of harmony when things go smoothly between you and another person.
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Super the opposite, but that's fine. Could have been if you had all of these things like love and trust
and respect. Yes. Oh, okay. You're gonna love this. Next sentence. I think of this as the honeymoon card.
And we got out your honeymoon gift or your wedding gift. Yeah.
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When you have high hopes and experience a time of accord, optimism, inspiration and goodwill.
In a reading about money, the upright two suggests a financial partnership or merging your resources
with someone else's for mutual gain. It can also mean financial support comes from a partner or
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backer. Just making sure the tumor was over. We are making a cheesy, garlicky pull apart bread and
I could not be more excited. It is food porn. Oh my god, that's so true. We should take a
picture of the garlic bread with the pulling apart the cheese. Yeah. Do we need the breath's consent
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to post it? She said yes. If the reading is about your job, this card describes a partnership
that benefits both people. You inspire one another and enjoy working together. It can also represent
cooperation and creative collaboration in your workplace like maybe you're in the industry.
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In a reading about love, the two upright symbolizes a happy relationship that's developing smoothly.
You understand each other's needs and bring out the best in one another. This card shows harmony,
balance and mutual respect between two parties. Yeah. Just like I said, that's just like how it should be
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if you're going to be. Yeah. Just everything that's missing from. Yeah. I love it. We just did it again
where I don't finish a sentence and I just say it's like yeah and then you finish what my thought
for me. Oh yeah, we both do that to each other. We finish each other's sandwiches all the time.
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I noticed it a lot lately where I'm just like and you know like yeah and the thing and I don't like say
anything but I just expect everyone to know what I'm talking about. Obviously you know the guy
at the place with the thing. It's just it's something I do. I'm I apologize. Yeah. I don't know if that's
like uniquely female thing and uniquely American thing. I right. I don't know. Not really sure. I don't
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know. You guys get me. I feel like you guys get me. So you just probably know what I'm saying.
Finish her sandwiches. See, actually don't that's mine. Yeah. I was going to say I knew that was
going to get you. I walked the other half of that leader. She is obsessed with my name on it.
I am surrounded by a bunch of sandwich loving weirdos. You really are. Yeah. Was there any extras or
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you know there is it's really just an extension of like and we've read it so many times too. Yeah.
Raising glasses in a toast recalls the ancient traditions of offering sacred libations
to the goddesses and gods in hopes of receiving favors from them. The Greek god Dionysus and his
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Roman counterpart, Bacchus are perhaps the best known wine drinking day it is. Yeah. That's my
kind of gal. But mythology also raises its glass to the Zulu fertility goddess and we decidedly
camp pronounced. Yes. I'm not going to try because Google it someday. Yeah. I want to if I'm
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going to say it, I would like to have the pronunciation key because I it I feel like it's
intensitive to just blah blah blah. Yeah. Just fumble through especially goddess like fuck. Yeah.
Fertility goddess. She's going to fuck your life up. I know. Let's not be pissing her off. Okay.
The Samarion beer goddess Nincasi the African party girl goddess Yasegi and succulist the Celtic god
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of alcoholic drinks. So Irish. That takes me back to last night. Oh yeah. Working on our special
super secret fun project for hopefully soonish. We'll see. Yeah. I feel like we set it on our last
episode. Did we? Did we actually say what we were doing? Yeah. We said it was a weed podcast. We
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did. Yeah. My god. Are you so we're recording the weed podcast now? Oh. Or we said we're just starting
a new podcast. I don't know if we said. I don't think we said. Yeah. Oops. Now you know. Oops. All
berries. Oops. All weed. Yeah. Oops. All weed. Oh, all berries. That's another hint. What's to come?
Little Easter egg there. Oh my goodness. I love this for us. But you know what I love more. What?
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Obviously the garlic cheesy polar bread. The garlic bread. Polar bread. It's a pitchfork crowd.
Oh boy. Remember that one time I was trying to think of an angry mob and I said pitchfork crowd
and Caitlin didn't even correct me. It just kept going. I think I just knew what you meant. And I was
like I feel like everybody else. Well, I didn't even think to question it. Pitchfork crowd. So
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sometimes I don't know. I feel like if it makes a difference or like I flag it as something like
oh no, you're no like you're just like having like a it's like a tongue twister thing or you're
just like having a brain fart. I'm like okay, yeah, I'm going to step in. But like if it made sense
in my head like all better off. And I was like yes, this makes sense. I'm with you. I would never
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correct you in that situation unless I feel like it. You know what I mean? I don't want to just be a dick.
And I mean, please, please be a dick to me. I love dicks. We talked about it earlier.
It's true. I have them all over my mat. I know you're dick mat.
Well, I just want to say I support porn if you're paying people who are in a
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consensual loving committed relationship to watch it and not just watching it for free on the internet.
What that makes it sound like you support it like only if the people in the porn are like
in a relationship. Oh, oh, I just mean like if it's consensual and yeah, I do like to watch a loving
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relationship, you know, I just mean I just mean like at first I thought you were saying like,
oh, only people in a relationship should make porn. I didn't mean that. I didn't. I was just thinking
like personally, that's what I like to watch. But yeah, I was like, you said the dick and I feel like
people might get confused by that. Like, does she think everyone in porn is like they're all together?
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They're all together. They're all together. No, no, no, I did not mean that. Thank you. Yes, please
correct. Well, that might have been my wires crossing. But yeah, definitely like pay people for
the work that they do. And that way it kind of ensures that it is consensual. It's
regulated. It's like another step of like helping to ensure that it's not going to completely
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ensure it. I'm sure. But no, because people are trying. Yeah. But if you do like only fans where you
go straight to their page and, you know, subscribe, it's more likely to be hopefully that's a
add that layer of yeah. And I know, I know I've heard of like websites or things like sources you can
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go that will give you like a list of websites of like ethical porn too. I did. I think I saw it on
another documentary. I was watching. I don't. I think yeah, I don't know which one it was. I watched
so many fucking sex documentaries and shows. But yeah, yeah, I think it was one that was specifically
related to the porn industry like in a consensual capacity. But also they touched on how the lines
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can be blurred between totally consensual, maybe not always the most ethical, but pornography in
the way that we all think of it where no one is, you know, in theory being harmed versus
sex trafficking. And they taught it, you know, I feel like unfortunately there's there can be some
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there's blurring of lines. I'm like, no, it's not blurry. It's not blurry. It's not. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But just, you know, you have to have an awareness around it to be able to
differentiate something. Yeah. That's a good. Yeah. So you're welcome. Yeah. If we can actually maybe we
can track down a link. Oh yeah. To provide people so that if they're looking for, you know, like resources.
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Yeah. Just something that allows you to kind of like vet what you're looking at. Yeah. So you don't
accidentally stumble upon some revenge porn that you just, I mean, you don't know. You can never
know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's been a pretty pervasive problem actually on porn hubs.
So that's sad too, because it's like they're real people. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a lot of yuck.
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Or are you going to say it's sad for some other read? Did I? Oh, no, it's just sad. Like all around.
I don't know. Yeah. Because like so many people go to like the free resource, especially kids. Oh my
God, because kids can't pay for it. Right. So they're just going to Google online and yeah,
then they end up seeing the worst of it. Yeah. I mean, unless you are, you know, like a certain somebody
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that we just talked about recently who just steeled, who just stole somebody else's credit card.
I'll say who would, who would steal and I tripped over it. It was really like that was, that was
my best. It was my best moment today. It was incredible. If you're going to be like somebody who,
and we talked about pretty recently, who stole people's credit cards and right. Colton. Yeah. Colton.
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Colton Harris. More. I only know that because I just edited it. Not that long ago.
Yeah. Fresh in your mind. So fresh. So fresh. So fresh and so barefoot clean. Oh boy. Well,
should we do that? I think we should. Yeah, let's do it. I think we did a good job. And by that
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thing, I mean, the girl like cheesy bread cannot be more clear about that. Goodbye. We're going to go
to your okay, let's go. Just like the row off our head. Let's go. Pay for you. 20 minutes. Let's go.
Oh man. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday. I'm not sure like an actual creep who's like
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actually sharing people's naked bodies without their permission. Yeah. Or unless I eat so much
garlic bread that I literally explode because then I might need more than a week. Don't worry,
everyone. I will share pictures of her exploding for journalistic purposes. That makes me think
about garlic cheesy pull apart bread as a war crime. And now I'm saying it's not it's never a war crime.
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Garlic cheesy bread and bread can never be a war crime. Never could be. Did you have anything else
funny to say? No, never funny. Dude, that's going to be the end of the show. Did you have anything
else funny to say? No, I'm never funny. Yeah, honestly, that is kind of stupid.
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If that's what the owner of said Nipple, so desires,
we have to admit that the fact that laws in the US and in any particular state
and question didn't prevent something like this from happening to an unsuspecting minor,
a child, that's problematic.
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Hi, Cassie.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, creepy people.
Oh, hello.
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime.
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How frequently I bite my lip, also the paranormal.
And I don't know some other stuff too.
A lot of other spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest.
Yes.
PNW, if you're nasty.
We also talk about some tarot at the end of the episode.
We do a little card poll just for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day.
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Yeah, that's true.
It's fun.
Yeah, sometimes I take a brief break from chewing on my own face to do that.
I was going to say your lip chewing is kind of like true crime and paranormal.
I don't know about that, but cannibalism.
Yeah.
Oh, goodness.
Oh, hopefully that's not your story today.
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No.
Okay, good.
So I can't handle it today.
No, no cannibalism.
Actually, that's one that I haven't really covered frequently.
It doesn't come up in a lot of my cases.
I feel like it did come up.
It has.
Okay.
But it's one of my no-nose.
So, yeah.
So I kind of tend to, I guess, gravitate towards other things.
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Yeah, the only cannibalism we like is like the Kesha song, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactimundo.
I just realized I'm still all zipped up
than you're a tracksuit.
I was going to say what did you call this earlier tracksuit.
I'm basically just wearing pajamas.
These are pajamas, okay?
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It's a tracksuit, whatever.
Okay, you're making it sound worse than it is.
I just heard it.
Early 2000s tracksuit.
I'm surprised it's not bright pink.
Oh my god, I hate you.
I hate you and Chris because he said,
does it say juicy on the ass?
I love it.
They're coming back.
You're very in fashion right now.
I never had a juicy tracksuit.
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Meaning there.
Yeah, I wasn't that cool.
I feel like this isn't the point in my life where I'm going to start either, you know?
Like, I had like a pair of the pink sweatpants that said pink on the butt.
Oh yeah.
Victoria's secret, but that was it.
Yeah.
And they were like low rise, so they didn't even fit on my butt because my butt is big fat juicy.
One, I think at the point where that was really, really popular,
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that's when I worked at the Victoria's Secret at the mall.
So I got all kinds of, all kinds of stuff.
Thongs 5 for 25.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
Now it was like 10 for 25 sometimes.
It was just like, we'll pay you to take them.
Please, we have too many.
Yeah.
Extra small.
Extra extra small.
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A flash.
Yeah.
Anyways, I wanted to show, this is one of the shirts that I made for an event.
And we had a couple of people comment on Patreon recently that they're like,
where can I get that shirt?
And I was like, oh, I guess technically you can.
Because I just signed it.
And it was like partially a design that tail in did.
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And I like did some other little like, tweaky things to it and ordered it for my science.
They're so cute.
Eventually we'll get them up for people.
We just, yeah, I, I, I time to figure it out.
Yeah, I commented on Patreon though actually that I was going to try to make like an official,
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get my shit together basically and make an official like announcement and let people know.
I was thinking we should do a,
I keep wanting to call it like a pre order.
But it's, I mean, I guess technically a pre order, but also not.
But just do like a limited merch run for the Patreon and put this bad boy in there.
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Yeah, so I was thinking I might try to do that.
And I basically just have people sign up and let us know if they want there.
If you want one because we don't want to print a bunch if nobody wants them.
But they're so cute.
They're super cute.
You should have told me I would have worn mine today.
Well, I'm kind of cold.
So I'm in a sweater.
I was going to say I almost brought my heat up blanket and I'm kind of regretting.
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I think I have a heating pad if it gets desperate.
So yeah, we're just talking about that.
I have a headache and it feels good when my head is cold,
but not when the rest of my body is cold.
Yeah, it's a complicated situation.
Where my migraine people say it.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Or the one who wants to make for your brain.
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I just wanted to say before I actually get started with the case at the episode today.
This is one that I think I teased like, I don't know, months ago.
Because I did another case that kind of had to do with a similar topic.
And I didn't really go in depth about this specifically.
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But I'd been wanting to do it for a while.
And then for a little while, it was like, oh, this is going to be a bonus episode.
And then there was a lot more than I thought.
And here we are.
So I've hinted at this topic before.
I don't know if anybody remembers.
I barely remember.
So yeah, you know what it is also.
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So I don't remember.
Yeah.
I know you've said it earlier today.
Probably and I don't remember.
So oh, I remember.
Goldfish brain.
I don't think you do because I maybe I don't.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, you're thinking of the other one.
Oh, the one that we were talking about doing with our one of our party besties.
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I am thinking of that one.
Yeah, I'm not doing that one.
So I'm no clue what this is.
This is exciting.
Everybody really knows.
Jesus Christ.
Shot up and get to it.
Got to do it.
And now yeah, that's the one thing.
I do actually I have some screenshots of a couple of like comments and reviews
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that have come in recently from people who
clearly need to find a documentary to watch.
Right.
Yes.
Not everybody loves the banter.
And to that I say,
we perhaps are not the podcast for you.
Should we banter for 10 more minutes before we start just to piss those people off?
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Oh my gosh.
Well, they're already pissed off.
Somebody and this is really funny.
I really do think maybe when we do the tarot,
I will pull it the screenshot and actually read it.
Because like it was a very specifically like it.
It sounded like she was our mom and she was disappointed.
And there were some very specific like guidelines and like,
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like these are action items.
And I'll check back.
Oh, oh, right.
Yeah, is this the one you showed me the other day?
Yeah, I think so.
And you were like, that's not going to happen.
But thank you.
You can start a podcast.
Look, if you don't like our podcast, start your own.
Yeah.
Or find one of the other millions that yeah, doesn't talk.
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You guys, it's like a really inexpensive hobby and or business to start.
I just feel like everyone should do it.
Or like you said, find a documentary, find something else.
Yeah, find if you don't like us.
You don't have to stay here.
Yeah.
I mean, we hope you do.
We hope our creepy people who love us stay here.
Yeah.
Honestly, like whatever you can do to help us with our, you know,
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download numbers and retention rate would be great.
All right.
In July of 2016, a 31 year old man was sentenced to six months in jail and five years of probation
after pleading not guilty to several charges before the Washington County Court in Hillsboro, Oregon.
Ooh, Hillsboro.
Yeah, we know her.
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I know.
It's only six months.
Yeah.
So probably wasn't that bad of a crime, right?
You might argue.
I guess we'll see.
No, I think that's kind of exactly the reaction I would expect you to have.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate.
Oh no.
He was found guilty by the jury of five counts of unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
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Though it should be noted that he will not be required to register as a sex offender.
And to be honest, I think that's at least one fuck up in this case.
You know, aside from just him as a person, the perpetrator, he's definitely a fuck up of a human.
Wow.
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Okay.
That's pretty serious.
Yeah.
Sure is.
I mean, you wouldn't know it based on the sentencing.
Right.
You picked it right up.
I was putting it down.
You picked it up.
You get it.
You're welcome.
I'm glad I could be here for you to pick up your things.
Pick up my things.
Always cleaning up after this bitch.
That is my job.
Just cleaning up after people.
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So, yeah.
There you go.
Nailed it.
Benjamin J. Barber of Hillsboro was also ordered not to contact his victim or her family.
Oh nice.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Great.
Judge Beth Roberts also ordered him to attend a survivor's impact panel.
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Hopefully they just duct tape him to the chair and gag him for maximum impact.
Right.
So, he doesn't speak during it or interrupt or exactly.
And I know probably some people are like,
"But, Caitlyn, what about the Geneva Convention?"
What about it?
Who is Geneva.
I never heard of her.
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Never heard of her.
I don't think that's technically torture through.
I don't know.
Is that the thing where you can like shouldn't torture people?
Yeah.
It's basically the code of conduct or the rules of engagement for
conflict.
But the military can do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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I mean, it kind of outlines basically like, "Hey, so it's not super chill when you like,
I don't know, go after like unarmed civilians and stuff."
Yeah.
That doesn't sound cool.
I don't know anywhere in the world that that's happening right now.
No, me neither.
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Certainly not being funded by all of the largest corporations.
The world is hard right now, you guys.
The world, it's a tough place.
Yeah.
And the neutrals still listen to this.
So, boy.
At the time of his conviction, he was believed to be amongst the first of a very elite group of
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creeps to be charged under Oregon House Bill 2596, which states that it provides that
a person who records another person's intimate areas commits a crime of invasion of privacy.
Because no duh.
Sure.
But somehow we have to codify everything that should be basic human decency
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so that when some gross-ass douche canoe acts against others within the community, they can be punished.
I mean, if they have to put like warning labels, like, don't put this firework on your head.
Don't eat the tide pod.
Yeah.
I guess, yeah.
I feel like I'm not that surprised.
Yeah.
I don't see it getting a whole lot better.
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Which is why we can't have nice things.
I want to keep my nice body parts to me.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I just had to show them.
Yeah.
Which I might.
Yeah.
Only fans.
The House Bill summary further states that the amendment to ORS 163.700 creates crime of
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unlawful dissemination of an intimate image.
It punishes by maximum of one year imprisonment a $6,250 fine or both for first offense
and five years imprisonment $125,000 fine or both for subsequent offense.
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Shit.
So I mean, he could have at least gotten a full year.
I know.
Like, why six months, that's yes.
I don't know.
A year.
A nice round number.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have a year to think about what you did with someone else's private intimate zones.
Yeah.
That's right.
Barber told Oregon reporters that the videos he posted of himself and a partner were
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copyrighted.
That he had the right to post them and that his victim tried to use the videos as blackmail.
I mean, that's not cool if that happened.
I mean, it's not.
He's the one that posted that.
Right.
So how is you posting them?
She's trying to blackmail unless she tried first.
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Like, oh, I'm going to post these if you don't.
He's like, well, fuck, I'm just going to post them anyway.
Yeah.
No.
Anyways, it's like a likely story.
I mean, come on, dude.
Luckily, this he said, she said, has a slightly different ending than what most of us have
become all too accustomed to hearing.
I mean, kind of not really.
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It's still a very broad turner outcome in my mind.
Give him a full year.
And honestly, I think if he posted multiple images or multiple videos,
each one should be a separate offense.
Oh, yeah.
So then not?
I'm not sure how much or what specifically he posted.
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There's a lot of it that obviously to kind of protect the person who's already been victimized.
It's like obvious.
And I wouldn't want to go look at it now if I could, but yeah.
Yeah.
Nothing.
So Benjamin J or BJ, which side note is something I sincerely, sincerely,
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hope he never receives again.
Uploaded not just one, but multiple videos of himself and the woman to various websites
of a pornographic nature.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
So like I said, I mean, yes, it's more than one.
Obviously, I didn't look at them and I hope that nobody can anymore.
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I hope so too.
Yeah.
Now that we're uploading to YouTube, I almost auto corrected to corn.
You know, I never heard that until the other day when it was on like a,
it was on a real someone sent me.
I don't remember.
But it said something about this is in the how to corn emoji.
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And I was like, huh?
Was I like, oh, porn?
I love that.
Of course, the videos were produced while the two were a couple during what I assume were
happier times.
I hope so.
I hope she was having fun at least in them.
Yeah.
By the time good old BJ posts them, it was in the aftermath of their breakup.
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Not cool, dude.
What do they call that?
Revenge corn.
The revenge of the corn.
Yes, exactly.
Not cool, dude.
Which is actually essentially a direct quote from the judge.
Not cool, dude.
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She was like, wow.
His defense counsel argued that he believed he had the right to do what he wanted with the videos.
And also that for some reason he felt like his ex-romantic partner had no particular right to
privacy.
Just the fact that you would assume that.
It's like make it make sense.
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In title, man.
That's just a man being entitled bullshit.
Yes.
Red pill.
Here's the thing.
All of the reporting indicates that she only discovered the videos existed after he threatened to
upload them.
So that adds a whole extra layer.
So she didn't know she was being filmed.
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Doesn't sound like that's fucked.
That's fucked.
Yeah.
So thanks for making this such a clear cut case of straight up Revenge corn beach.
Beach.
Seriously though, I'm sure the prosecution was ready to come to the table with all the receipts,
but it sounds like I mean, he basically he served it up on a platter.
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Wow.
He admitted.
Just the circumstances like she did not consent to being recorded in the first place.
Not that if you had been then it makes it right.
No, but no.
Just because you recorded that doesn't then also give somebody permission to go
anywhere.
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But what was she wearing?
Yeah.
And just in case you were tempted into thinking that this might be an isolated incident for some reason,
you've lived like Bambi in the woods.
Oh, although let's be honest, Bambi didn't have it so easy either.
No.
Like do you not read or watch the news?
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My questions because yeah, he's not the only dude.
Yeah.
Not the only dude for like a long time too.
Like I'm sure this isn't happening forever and ever.
Oh yeah.
I'm sure drawings of naked ladies have been shared amongst men.
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Oh yeah.
People have them tattooed which, you know, if it's not of a particular person,
right?
And it's your body to what you wish, but okay, listen.
When we get to it because yes, obviously there's a whole gaggle of these ridiculous individuals.
This is what made me so fucking hangry.
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I'm scared of Caitlyn right now.
It's not great when I go nonverbal, but that's how you know.
Okay, I mean, I'm just going to let you know.
This is not a joke.
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Jay David Leatherwood.
I'm not laughing you said it's not a joke.
It honestly seems like he like his name is a porn name.
Yeah, leather wood.
I can't believe it.
Well, he descendants to two years of probation and 80 hours of community service
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after entering an amended guilty plea to three counts under the revenge porn law in the very same
court.
So we're not even talking about like, these are,
they're all in the same small local court doing the same exact
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disgusting shit.
No, and I'm going to be honest, it's all like in a pretty close timeline.
So just extrapolating out for how many disgusting
instances of this that there must be a hit it.
This was after he posted sexually explicit images of a woman on the internet.
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Also in July of 2016, clearly learning nothing from BeeJ's experience before a judge.
But the name like that, he was clearly destined for the adult entertainment industry, but
that comes with regulation.
So I guess he decided to go another way.
Why don't you just post your own self?
I don't get like, or find somebody else who's interested in the same thing.
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Isn't that more fun when they're like actually enjoying it and interested in it?
Not if you're garbage.
The most egregious and appalling case that I want to touch on briefly comes from
also Washington County.
Where prosecutors charged Patrick Buono with invasion of privacy for taking photos,
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up skirt photos of a 13 year old girl in a Beaverton target store.
That's gross.
It gets grosser.
Because Patrick was a 61 year old man at the time, which is horrifying, but there's still more
because of course there is.
I don't want Patrick the pervert in my head when I go to target.
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But he lives there now, rent free because the judge that presided over his case
found he'd violated no law.
Isn't that like child porn?
Unfortunately, at the time, that was true.
He had broken no law.
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Because there are no child porn laws, but it wasn't that long ago.
I'm going to get to it.
Oh my god.
I got 13.
Are you kidding me?
Okay.
I just feel like I don't know if there's a way that I can like,
say, I might have to read it off a couple of times because it just takes a minute to wrap your head
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around how disgusting this like justification is.
And it's another one of those things where it's like,
we have to put that into law.
Like, this is fucking Christ.
No common sense.
No decency.
Just absolute trash.
Fortunately or unfortunately, I don't even know which way is up in this case.
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If I'm being honest, the girl was wearing underwear.
So, Buono's actions constituted neither invasion of privacy nor child pornography.
Wow.
I think I just assumed that like, underwear is still private and like taking a picture of a kid
in their underwear is still porn.
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But right, it's not and here's the thing.
Either way, whether it's an image of a child or of an adult,
like to me, that constitutes an image that's pornographic in nature.
If it's a child, we classify that as child sex abuse materials.
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Yeah.
So like just on multiple fronts, just no.
No.
I feel like, so I could see people making the argument like, it's like a bathing suit or whatever.
But I feel like if you're wearing clothes,
right, you didn't choose to walk out and public in a bathing suit.
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Yeah.
If you're wearing clothes, if someone is going underneath your clothes without your consent,
like that's just, but should just be a no-brainer.
Yeah, I'm so glad that we're on the same page here.
This could have been the end of our friendship if we weren't.
I know, right?
Can you imagine?
Oh my god.
The judge called Buono's behavior "lude" and appalling.
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Wait, his name is Bono.
I mean, I think it's pronounced “Bwono?"
Buono?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm like, don't ruin Sonny's good name like that.
Okay.
I know.
It's so funny because I kept thinking about that when I was writing this.
Anyway, this was major news at the time here in the Pacific Northwest, at least.
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I remember hearing about this case and I was like,
"Lah?"
"I don't."
Obviously long before the pod.
Yeah.
Now, this next section, I'm lifting directly from the courthouse news service article that I found
dated December 2nd of 2016.
Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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34.
Not all 51.
I was like, how many states do we have again?
I like to say 51, just to be funny, but...
Can we guess the states that don't have the Revenge porn laws?
Yeah, I mean, I bet you could probably guess a lot in the South.
Okay.
Oregon is among 34 states and the District of Columbia with Revenge porn laws on the books.
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However, US Representative Jackie Spear, a Democrat from California,
introduced the Intimate Privacy Protection Act in Congress,
which would make Revenge porn a federal crime.
Out here, just doing the Lord's work.
It should be a federal crime.
Yeah.
It should be a world crime.
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Yeah. It should be against the Geneva Convention.
Crime against humanity.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, it just makes it so that judges' hands aren't tied in a disgusting case where it's like everything in
your body and your brain says like, "Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck."
But you can't do anything about it.
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That would be so shitty.
I can't even imagine. I feel like that has to really shake people that went into
law enforcement or the judicial system hoping to actually do something meaningful in their
career that has a positive impact on the world.
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I feel like that's a priest who finds out God's not real.
I mean, I mean.
Kind of simpler to that.
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah.
Civil rights advocates, including the American Civil Liberties Union, have opposed
federal legislation against revenge porn, as well as state laws stating that they are
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overboard and restrict free speech.
To show someone else's body is restricting free speech?
No.
The argument here is that the way that some...
the way that it's worded is to broad in some cases.
And here I have a quote that kind of expands on why they feel like that's a case.
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This is a quote.
So we know somebody actually said these words and I'm not making them up.
And I don't want to be associated with this, but here we go.
Oh, God.
You shouldn't need a permission slip to post images of horrific torture from
Abu Ghraib or the Nape Home Girl photograph that contributed mightily to changing American attitudes
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about the Vietnam War, said ACLU Attorney.
We roll in in a written response to an Arizona law that banned publishing any new photo without
the subject's consent.
And in a way, I can understand the argument because specifically in Abu Ghraib and I'm not
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well-versed in all of the specifics of what happened at Abu Ghraib.
But I do know that there was a lot of just general torture, but there was torture specifically of like a
sadistic sexual nature.
So again, in that instance, is it wrong to publish something that basically
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sheds light on that horrific situation?
That's such a difficult, but one of these things is not like the other.
Yeah, I feel like they're very different, but that's still like a person that was yeah tortured
and had horrible things done to them and like how are they?
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I don't know if they're passed on, but like how how would they feel about that being shared?
I don't know.
It is difficult. Yeah, I feel like depending on whether it's posthumous or the person is still alive
that maybe has an impact on how people feel about whether or not those images should be shared.
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I think specifically when it comes to sharing those types of images in a journalistic capacity,
there are things that can be done in order to protect the identity of that individual
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so that the message about like, you know, as he's saying, you know, horrific torture.
So the things like that can be brought to light, but also with, you know, respect to a victim.
The difference is that none of these guys, you know, like Benjamin, he's not
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guttle beige. He's not blurring the face of his ex-girlfriend who he recorded without her knowledge.
Yeah, there has to be like language you can put into the lot. Like they're smart people.
They can figure out a way to write in, but I do agree that I guess that is really broad and
and it should have something. Like quick, we need an English major. Yeah. We need
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Caitlyn. She's gonna write the, get a lawyer in an English major in a room together
or better yet, maybe a lawyer who was also an English major in their undergrad, you know.
Fuck yeah, like it's that hard.
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A federal judge in Arizona ordered the state to stop enforcing that law last year in a settlement
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with a coalition of publishers, librarians and photographers. Listen, I'm here for free the
nipple if that's what the owner of said nipple so desires, but you have to admit that the fact that
laws in the US and in any particular state in question didn't prevent something like this from
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happening to an unsuspecting minor, a child. That's problematic. So they didn't change the law. They
just like got rid of it entirely to my knowledge, at least at the time when I would, you know,
this is something that certainly in the last few months since I first started researching this case,
it's possible that there could have been a change to that. I'm not really perusing Arizona case
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precedent and stuff like on the day, but still that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Hot take, but if you don't
know the difference between shit like upskirt videos, which is what legislation like this
is intended to criminalize along with revenge porn versus images of war crimes, etc.
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That really should be covered under freeze speech to protect the integrity of journalism.
There's no amount of legislating that will help your sick dumb ass. Man, again, we shall continue to
have exactly zero nice things in this reality. It kind of makes you hope we are living in a simulation.
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I can't wait for the next simulation, you guys.
What do we move on to the like what do we have to do? Do you think like if we go to the
(33:08):
Scientology place where you were, you know, cursing out Tom Cruise, how much you have to donate to move
into the next reality? I don't know. Should we go ask? Probably should we go get our things red?
Worth a shot. I really know. I never got to want to so bad. No, I just listen. I want to fake ID
though. So I can like if they ask for my ID because they probably will, right? I don't want them to
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know my true identity. Yeah. Not like they can't take a picture of my face and like Google image
search it now. I know. It's like a web series. Yeah. We're a girl that flipped off Tom Cruise in the
in the video camera outside of our building in downtown. Wow. Yeah. I mean, they've got the time
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and the resources. And the tiny Tom. Yeah. And the tiny Tom. Okay. So speaking of how we have
zero nice things in this reality. Case in point was the petition for post conviction relief that was
filed by the two numbs goals already mentioned along with a third petitioner named Jacob Patrick
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Holton. He's supposed Jacob's stupid. Oh, really? Is it like a queue situation? No, it's Jacob.
Jacob. Why? Oh, Jacob. I want to see a Jacob. Jacob. I would like that. I can get with that.
This guy just sucks. And he spells his name like Jaycob.
Anyways, if you don't suck and spell your name like that, you're fine. Yeah, you're fine. It's really
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just about the fuckery on his other areas of life. I looked into him a little bit and I'll be honest,
this topic just pissed me off so much that I decided not to tug at that thread. But apparently,
he's likely living in the tiger area of Oregon. So just a heads up on that.
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These morons filed the petition challenging the constitutionality of their convictions.
But ultimately, the petition was dismissed because and you just cannot make this shit up.
Although petitioner Barber, names two additional petitioners in the caption of the petition,
neither of these two individuals submitted the five dollar filing fee or an informal
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poprist application or signed the petition. So like literally couldn't come up with 10 bucks
and figure it the fuck out to sign a piece of paper. Interesting.
Accordingly, the court dismisses the claims of petitioners' leatherwood and hulton.
The remainder of the reasons that the petition were dismissed are equally fucking dumb.
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The court notes that petitioner initiated this action by filing a petition for post-conviction
relief under Oregon Revised Statutes. And I won't rate it all. It's not that interesting. If you
need the serial code, let me know. Him, yeah, which he seeks to remove to this court under another
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lengthy serial code. It's a thing. First, a challenge to the legality of a state court conviction
may be brought in federal court only through an application for a writ of habeas corpus,
pursuant to another legal code. Second, the removal statute cited by petitioner Barber
applies only to the removal of a civil action in which any party asserts a claim for relief
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arising under any act of Congress relating to patents, plant variety protections or copyrights.
The petition for state post-conviction relief referenced by petitioner Barber does not fall within
the purview of said statute code thing, the law. Third, and it mentions that this same very fancy code,
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maybe I should name her. Vess in the district court, original jurisdiction of any civil action
arising under any act of Congress relating to patents.
Document filed 1, 2, 2019 page 3 of 5, plant variety protection, copyrights and trademarks.
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As with the removal statute, petitioners claims do not fall within the purview.
Basically, don't be a dumbass and represent yourself, especially if you're guilty.
He pulled some fucking Ted Bundy shit here. He thought he was so smart.
Why do people think that it didn't work out for Teddy Boy?
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Like, who does this guy think he is? Monsanto?
I don't know.
That is.
They're the people that do the genetically modified seeds and shit and are ruining
single-handedly, essentially, our agricultural industry and probably our immune systems and a lot of
other... It's debatable, maybe.
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Also, you're not a plant or someone trying to patent anything plant-based.
Right. I was very confused by all that.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're too dumb to understand how to thwart the legal consequences of your actions,
and also, apparently, your friends agree to the extent that they wouldn't even risk
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five dollars on the petition. Yeah. Like, did they just not get each other's numbers to like,
you know, coordinate? Like, it's so funny.
There's a couple more pages of legalese, but I think we've mined for the gold.
We found the nuggets that are worth anything. We found the butt nuggets.
Butt nuggets?
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Beige told the Oregonian, after his sentencing, that he uploaded the videos in April,
along with all of the data and files he had on a personal server.
He said he was contemplating suicide at the time and published all the items because he wanted to
memorialize all the things that I had done.
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Okay.
The including the illegal things. I guess. Yeah.
Well, again, remember, he doesn't think that it's illegal.
It's just as I mean, just goes back to just that some in-sell shit.
I'll leave you with this excerpt from a 2021 paper entitled "The Role of Torts in the Fight Against
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Non-Consensual Pornography."
Riveting.
"By Lindsay Holcomb from the University of Pennsylvania." So, you'd be the judge.
93% of the victims of non-consensual porn are female.
"An images of women make up the vast majority of content posted on websites dedicated to non-consensual
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pornography." I'm going to say that again.
"Websites dedicated to non-consensual pornography."
It's not okay.
"Men are twice as likely to have shared non-consensual porn than women
and women are 2.5 times as likely to have been threatened with non-consensual porn."
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"People between the ages of 18 and 25 are far more likely to have perpetrated revenge porn than
people in other age groups, while people between the ages of 34 and 41 have reported the highest levels
of lifetime victimization of by non-consensual porn."
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Finally, non-consensual porn is perpetrated against sexual minorities at rates slightly higher
than against individuals who identify as heterosexual. Because, of course,
all of these statistics speak to the dominant social force driving the non-consensual dissemination
of intimate images. The exercise of mastery, coercion, and control by advantaged groups over
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the less powerful. The fucking patriarchy." Literally. "She found the classiest way to say it."
"Other than just the fucking patriarchy." "Look, this is pretty good timing for this episode."
"Yeah. I know. Just worked out that way. I've had this written for months."
Basically, what we're saying here is that, as with other true crime topics,
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unfortunately, facts of life here, people. Sorry, not sorry, because I didn't do it.
Purpose traders are disproportionately male and also fuck the fucking patriarchy.
Say it one more time.
The fucking patriarchy. The same way that sexual assault is rarely really as much about sex as we might
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think as it is about control. Surely, it must be obvious that these crimes, based largely on the
internet, really are too. It's just about having a sense of ownership or control over something that
does not belong to you. I don't understand the obsession. You have control over yourself.
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Is that not enough for people? Not for everyone. That's all I have. Besides a burning desire to shower
and scrub myself with steel wool. Yeah, same. It reminds me of the documentary I watched with the
you up website and the Swiffer girl. When I watched that documentary, it happened to be right around
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the same time as I was writing these notes. I texted you about it. You're like, "Bitch."
I'm working on it. That was a hard thing to watch. Yeah, it was really awful.
Especially with the Swiffer girl one, because she took the video and sent it to someone,
but then they passed it around the school. It's like, "Yeah, she sent it, but not with the intention
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of having everyone in the world see it and it ended up on the internet."
Honestly, I feel like not an apples to apples situation, but I feel like this sort of makes me think of
when it comes to drug enforcement laws. There are quantities that are by statute
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specified as four personal use versus if you have certain types of paraphernalia or a certain
quantity of substance of choice that is considered with its intent to distribute.
It's dissemination, which is like that's the difference in that case as well. It's like,
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"Well, that was four personal use and you intended to distribute." She was underage too.
It was obviously child porn, but it was thinking, I don't know if they address this in the
documentary not spend so long, but if you're a child taking pictures or video of your own self,
(44:38):
is that considered you having porn if it's of yourself? I would imagine that that is case by case,
because every jurisdiction is going to be different, but I'm not aware of any case where
that has actually, they don't typically go after a minor for that. It would be a weird thing to go
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after. I feel like, but it just was like a thought in my head. It's like, wait, is that?
It gets into a very tricky gray area. I do know that there are instances where
law enforcement has essentially said, this is child porn, so you could be charged.
I know that technically by the letter of the law in some places, people have been told, you could
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be charged for this. I don't know that I am aware of any cases where that was actually successfully
carried out. That feels like a gross mischaracterization in just that you're victimizing a person
all over again. If in the instance, like you were talking about with the documentary, I just
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yeah, that's it was a hard one. Yeah. Well, I better go burn all of my teenage titty pictures.
So I don't get arrested. I think I do have one. I have one, but I think I was 18 when I took it.
You have to take them periodically and save them so that you can remember how beautiful you were.
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And how perky. I've heard so many people say that. Take all of the new 12 year, you know,
while you're young, you like kick it back. No, I'm ancient. No, you've got to take them now too,
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because when you're [Redacted], you're like dang. Look at them boobies!
I'm sorry. Did you say 29? I was like, we were going. I aged you. Sorry. I'm just kidding. We'll
bleep it out. We don't want anyone to know how the kid one is. Yeah. And basically a fetus.
I guess should we do some tarot? I feel like that might make us feel better. Yeah, let's do some
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tarot. Okay. Some titty tarot. So pleased with yourself. We're doing some tarot.
Tarot. Caitlyn Shuffle. She cleansed and shuffled this beautiful new deck. Do you want to tell us about
it? Oh, yeah. So I chose a deck that's vintage like all of these men with their trash ideas.
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Yeah, welcome. Housewife tarot. It's so cute. It's like vintage like 1950s, like leave it to beaver,
type imagery. It's got like what is this? Plot. Checkers. Plot. Yeah, man. Ah, paper towels. We should
use this for flail man. Yeah, I didn't even realize that was the pattern on it. Damn. That's okay.
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The mushroom one worked. Yeah, no, that was perfect. Amigurred. Okay. Give it one more good one
and then I'll spread them out for Caitlyn. Concentually. Yes. Only consensually spreading is allowed.
Oh, oh, this is so cute. Is it? I'm excited to see it. We got the two of cups. Oh, okay, but look
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though. Oh my gosh, it's like the candle you put out is like the two people. Yeah. It's picking up a
vibe. It's two people in like champagne glasses, but it's not, it's like a mimosa kind of. I think it
might be like a campari drink. That was so popular. I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of bit,
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I don't like it. I have zero time for that. Oh, wait, too bitter. What? Stop it. What? I'll have to look
it up. Okay, someone gave me a drink last night and it was like really bitter, like kind of great
fruity, orangey, cranberry. Yeah. Is it what is it? It might be a campari. That is fucking crazy. I'm
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gonna text her right now and ask her what it was. Okay. We need to know. What are the fucking chances
of that? Why? I've never even heard of this drink before last night. Really? Yeah. Well, like I said,
I have zero time for that. It was delicious. I love it. It was like bitter. Oh, like I really love
bitter. Okay. You liked it. Yeah. I really liked it. Not a fan. But good for you. Glad you had it.
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And that's so funny. Now it's like heavily featured all of a sudden. That's insane. What does it mean?
What does that mean? Okay. And on the surface, I feel like seems like maybe an odd card.
Two of cups, I feel like has such a positive connotation to it. But I feel like it's just channeling
what we've been saying this whole time. It's like, well, I'm gonna get into it. I believe you.
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Keywords for two of cups are partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation.
You need all those things to put porn out there. Sure. Sure do. I would imagine. Yes.
Please. I just think it's talking about like a healthy partnership. Yeah. Yeah.
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In many decks, the two of cups shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each other.
Hey, girl. Cheers. I'll be the man. Chalice. Okay. I'm not tall enough. So.
Okay. The card represents joining forces with someone either romantically or in a creative/spiritual
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endeavor. You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
Mutual respect and equality exists between you. So just the opposite of everything that happened here.
Exactly. All of our hopes and prayers. That's impairs.
The upright two indicates a period of harmony when things go smoothly between you and another person.
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Super the opposite, but that's fine. Could have been if you had all of these things like love and trust
and respect. Yes. Oh, okay. You're gonna love this. Next sentence. I think of this as the honeymoon card.
And we got out your honeymoon gift or your wedding gift. Yeah.
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When you have high hopes and experience a time of accord, optimism, inspiration and goodwill.
In a reading about money, the upright two suggests a financial partnership or merging your resources
with someone else's for mutual gain. It can also mean financial support comes from a partner or
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backer. Just making sure the tumor was over. We are making a cheesy, garlicky pull apart bread and
I could not be more excited. It is food porn. Oh my god, that's so true. We should take a
picture of the garlic bread with the pulling apart the cheese. Yeah. Do we need the breath's consent
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to post it? She said yes. If the reading is about your job, this card describes a partnership
that benefits both people. You inspire one another and enjoy working together. It can also represent
cooperation and creative collaboration in your workplace like maybe you're in the industry.
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In a reading about love, the two upright symbolizes a happy relationship that's developing smoothly.
You understand each other's needs and bring out the best in one another. This card shows harmony,
balance and mutual respect between two parties. Yeah. Just like I said, that's just like how it should be
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if you're going to be. Yeah. Just everything that's missing from. Yeah. I love it. We just did it again
where I don't finish a sentence and I just say it's like yeah and then you finish what my thought
for me. Oh yeah, we both do that to each other. We finish each other's sandwiches all the time.
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I noticed it a lot lately where I'm just like and you know like yeah and the thing and I don't like say
anything but I just expect everyone to know what I'm talking about. Obviously you know the guy
at the place with the thing. It's just it's something I do. I'm I apologize. Yeah. I don't know if that's
like uniquely female thing and uniquely American thing. I right. I don't know. Not really sure. I don't
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know. You guys get me. I feel like you guys get me. So you just probably know what I'm saying.
Finish her sandwiches. See, actually don't that's mine. Yeah. I was going to say I knew that was
going to get you. I walked the other half of that leader. She is obsessed with my name on it.
I am surrounded by a bunch of sandwich loving weirdos. You really are. Yeah. Was there any extras or
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you know there is it's really just an extension of like and we've read it so many times too. Yeah.
Raising glasses in a toast recalls the ancient traditions of offering sacred libations
to the goddesses and gods in hopes of receiving favors from them. The Greek god Dionysus and his
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Roman counterpart, Bacchus are perhaps the best known wine drinking day it is. Yeah. That's my
kind of gal. But mythology also raises its glass to the Zulu fertility goddess and we decidedly
camp pronounced. Yes. I'm not going to try because Google it someday. Yeah. I want to if I'm
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going to say it, I would like to have the pronunciation key because I it I feel like it's
intensitive to just blah blah blah. Yeah. Just fumble through especially goddess like fuck. Yeah.
Fertility goddess. She's going to fuck your life up. I know. Let's not be pissing her off. Okay.
The Samarion beer goddess Nincasi the African party girl goddess Yasegi and succulist the Celtic god
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of alcoholic drinks. So Irish. That takes me back to last night. Oh yeah. Working on our special
super secret fun project for hopefully soonish. We'll see. Yeah. I feel like we set it on our last
episode. Did we? Did we actually say what we were doing? Yeah. We said it was a weed podcast. We
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did. Yeah. My god. Are you so we're recording the weed podcast now? Oh. Or we said we're just starting
a new podcast. I don't know if we said. I don't think we said. Yeah. Oops. Now you know. Oops. All
berries. Oops. All weed. Yeah. Oops. All weed. Oh, all berries. That's another hint. What's to come?
Little Easter egg there. Oh my goodness. I love this for us. But you know what I love more. What?
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Obviously the garlic cheesy polar bread. The garlic bread. Polar bread. It's a pitchfork crowd.
Oh boy. Remember that one time I was trying to think of an angry mob and I said pitchfork crowd
and Caitlin didn't even correct me. It just kept going. I think I just knew what you meant. And I was
like I feel like everybody else. Well, I didn't even think to question it. Pitchfork crowd. So
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sometimes I don't know. I feel like if it makes a difference or like I flag it as something like
oh no, you're no like you're just like having like a it's like a tongue twister thing or you're
just like having a brain fart. I'm like okay, yeah, I'm going to step in. But like if it made sense
in my head like all better off. And I was like yes, this makes sense. I'm with you. I would never
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correct you in that situation unless I feel like it. You know what I mean? I don't want to just be a dick.
And I mean, please, please be a dick to me. I love dicks. We talked about it earlier.
It's true. I have them all over my mat. I know you're dick mat.
Well, I just want to say I support porn if you're paying people who are in a
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consensual loving committed relationship to watch it and not just watching it for free on the internet.
What that makes it sound like you support it like only if the people in the porn are like
in a relationship. Oh, oh, I just mean like if it's consensual and yeah, I do like to watch a loving
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relationship, you know, I just mean I just mean like at first I thought you were saying like,
oh, only people in a relationship should make porn. I didn't mean that. I didn't. I was just thinking
like personally, that's what I like to watch. But yeah, I was like, you said the dick and I feel like
people might get confused by that. Like, does she think everyone in porn is like they're all together?
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They're all together. They're all together. No, no, no, I did not mean that. Thank you. Yes, please
correct. Well, that might have been my wires crossing. But yeah, definitely like pay people for
the work that they do. And that way it kind of ensures that it is consensual. It's
regulated. It's like another step of like helping to ensure that it's not going to completely
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ensure it. I'm sure. But no, because people are trying. Yeah. But if you do like only fans where you
go straight to their page and, you know, subscribe, it's more likely to be hopefully that's a
add that layer of yeah. And I know, I know I've heard of like websites or things like sources you can
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go that will give you like a list of websites of like ethical porn too. I did. I think I saw it on
another documentary. I was watching. I don't. I think yeah, I don't know which one it was. I watched
so many fucking sex documentaries and shows. But yeah, yeah, I think it was one that was specifically
related to the porn industry like in a consensual capacity. But also they touched on how the lines
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can be blurred between totally consensual, maybe not always the most ethical, but pornography in
the way that we all think of it where no one is, you know, in theory being harmed versus
sex trafficking. And they taught it, you know, I feel like unfortunately there's there can be some
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there's blurring of lines. I'm like, no, it's not blurry. It's not blurry. It's not. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But just, you know, you have to have an awareness around it to be able to
differentiate something. Yeah. That's a good. Yeah. So you're welcome. Yeah. If we can actually maybe we
can track down a link. Oh yeah. To provide people so that if they're looking for, you know, like resources.
(01:00:15):
Yeah. Just something that allows you to kind of like vet what you're looking at. Yeah. So you don't
accidentally stumble upon some revenge porn that you just, I mean, you don't know. You can never
know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's been a pretty pervasive problem actually on porn hubs.
So that's sad too, because it's like they're real people. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a lot of yuck.
(01:00:41):
Or are you going to say it's sad for some other read? Did I? Oh, no, it's just sad. Like all around.
I don't know. Yeah. Because like so many people go to like the free resource, especially kids. Oh my
God, because kids can't pay for it. Right. So they're just going to Google online and yeah,
then they end up seeing the worst of it. Yeah. I mean, unless you are, you know, like a certain somebody
(01:01:05):
that we just talked about recently who just steeled, who just stole somebody else's credit card.
I'll say who would, who would steal and I tripped over it. It was really like that was, that was
my best. It was my best moment today. It was incredible. If you're going to be like somebody who,
and we talked about pretty recently, who stole people's credit cards and right. Colton. Yeah. Colton.
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Colton Harris. More. I only know that because I just edited it. Not that long ago.
Yeah. Fresh in your mind. So fresh. So fresh. So fresh and so barefoot clean. Oh boy. Well,
should we do that? I think we should. Yeah, let's do it. I think we did a good job. And by that
(01:01:52):
thing, I mean, the girl like cheesy bread cannot be more clear about that. Goodbye. We're going to go
to your okay, let's go. Just like the row off our head. Let's go. Pay for you. 20 minutes. Let's go.
Oh man. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday. I'm not sure like an actual creep who's like
(01:02:17):
actually sharing people's naked bodies without their permission. Yeah. Or unless I eat so much
garlic bread that I literally explode because then I might need more than a week. Don't worry,
everyone. I will share pictures of her exploding for journalistic purposes. That makes me think
about garlic cheesy pull apart bread as a war crime. And now I'm saying it's not it's never a war crime.
(01:02:42):
Garlic cheesy bread and bread can never be a war crime. Never could be. Did you have anything else
funny to say? No, never funny. Dude, that's going to be the end of the show. Did you have anything
else funny to say? No, I'm never funny. Yeah, honestly, that is kind of stupid.
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