How to podcast with co-hosts with Tim host of On Second Watch

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If you have a movie podcast,how do you even pick the movies?
What if you have six co hosts? How do you get everyone together pick
a movie and then find a wayto talk about it. This is Podcast
Creators, a show where we getpodcasting advice from real podcasters. Today on

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the show, we have Tim Baylog, host of on Second Watch, and
we're gonna learn about how he getssix co hosts together on the mic to
talk about a single movie. I'myour host, Greg, creator of Indie
drop In Network and co host ofFandommies. We'll put everyone's links in the

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you can click to check it outfor yourself. All right, let's
get to it. Hey, Tim, Welcome to the show. Hey,

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thanks so much for having me.Wow, I'm so glad that you were
able to come back. Even thoughI don't like to air the dirty laundry,
I think part of the experience ofthe show is talking about the good
and the bad. Yeah, andthe last time we the last time we
talked, we had I had audioissues. You sounded brilliant. I had
audio issues. You know what,Just you never know when you're recording.

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I you always worry about those momentswhere you're gonna have the wrong microphone or
something breaks. And I fortunately onlyhad one or two of those the last
year and a half. But youjust never know. Even if you plan
for all the worst mistakes that happen, it just you know, things happen.
Yeah, And recording audio is alittle bit easier than doing video and
audio because you can gear backup audio, which is what we do, and

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I have backup audio for this now. Also nice, I don't blame you,
so we are. We are makingit happen. So enough of that.
So why don't you tell everybody whoyou are and what your podcast is?
So? Yeah, So my name'sTim and I am the host,
one of six hosts actually of thepodcast on Second Watch, and we focus

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very heavily on movie nostalgia, thingsthat we grew up on as kids.
We like to explore that, andthe way we do things a little bit
differently is we talk about our nostalgiaand rate the movie again before we watch
it, talk about the things thatwe like or remember, and then as
a group we try to watch itagain and then we come back on the
microphones with it freshen our heads andreassess our nostalgia to see if it holds

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up. Some movies hold up verywell, some movies not so much.
But it's always fun to kind ofdissect the things that we notice as kids
that totally missed as adults, andsome things that just aren't as cool now
that we're grown up. So it'swe have some fun. And the six
of us have been friends since childhood, so it makes it fun because we

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have a great camaraderie anyway, sowe can, you know, we can
take the jabs and the light ribbingsometimes aggressive ribbing and just have fun with
it. So as long as othersare enjoying it, then then we're good
to go. So where do yourecord this thing? Because you have so
many hosts, Like does everybody cometo your house? You do it remotely.
We started right before the pandemic andit was just four of us.

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It was myself, my wife Dana, and my two good friends Chris in
Spas is his name, affectionately knownas Spas, and we used to get
together at my house for the firstseveral episodes, and we would do this
thing we record, stop, watchthe film together, and then jump back
on sure. And that's when wewere first kind of getting our feet wet

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with podcasting in general. And theaudio is terrible. We all recorded on
a single microphone. I think itwas a jetty I picked up on Facebook
or something like that, and wejust sat around a card table and just
talked. And that's kind of whereI started learning how to edit why I
would need multiple microphones to do agood job. But once the pandemic hit,
we we had to figure out dowe still want to do this and

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if so, how are we goingto manage it? Because now we're scattered.
So we started recording remotely and itstarted out small, as we you
know, we're trying to bootstrap thiswhole thing. We didn't have a lot
of money, so we just pickedup, you know, either a headset
from a gaming headset we had layingaround. I started picking up microphones on
Amazon that were on sale that Icould start distributing to everybody, and you

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know, we started just recording offof I think at first we did squadcast
because we do the four people invideo, and then it ended up being
pretty pricey for us because we're,you know, we're just starting out.
We're not this isn't a profitable podcastby any means, so we're trying to
find ways keep it cheap. Andthen we Zencaster had a great Quarantine promo

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where you basically got a lot oftheir features for free, and that gave
us a good chance to kind ofkick the tires with that platform and see
how it works for us. Andthat's where we've been ever since. Is
so we're all recording on Zencaster.It's great because it records everyone's audio separately.
I can mix it and cut outa lot of the nonsense and background
noises that come out of things.And yeah, it's been working out for

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us pretty good. That's amazing.So you ended up buying that Mike that
you're using there, I'm guessing right, I did. Yeah, this was
a treat to myself. When Igo in on on these ventures, I
really let to go all in.So I ended up selling some of my
Star Wars collectibles to purchase this sureMV seven, which has been fantastic for

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me. I love it. It'smy favorite thing I've purchased so far.
Yea, And to me, it'sworth it because my audio sounds much better
coming through this microphone than the tincan I was using before. Yeah,
it's an interesting phenomenon. And Idon't know if this is what you want
to hear, but when I listento your show, it clearly sounds like
you're the host. You sound thebest, and you're the most put together.

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You know. I'm sure. I'msure you're you know, your wife
and your friends or everybody is organizedand read to rock and roll, but
it seems like you're the maestro.It's yeah, that's the way it was.
Um. I'm just the one thatcame up with the idea to the
podcast, and I let everybody knowthat if we do this, um,
I'm happy. I want you tojoin and have fun because you know,

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like Chris to me is he's thecomedian of our group. He's he's the
quick witted, funny guy, spazis. Everybody needs a Spaz, you
know. So I said, youknow, if we if we're going to
do this, I have no problemrunning the show, doing the editing and
the social media and all that stuff. So uh, they're they're all in
as long as they don't have todo a lot of work, and so,

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yes, I am the maestro,So I spend a lot of time
making sure since I'm doing a majorityof the talking, that I better make
sure my audio sounds all right.Yeah, So, speaking of the show,
how long has it been going on? So we started right before Christmas
of twenty nineteen. Okay that werecorded our first episode covering home alone,

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and it was such a disaster Inever aired it until I got a lot
of pressure from our listeners to releasethis dreaded audio. Like the movie,
right, it's just think movies can'tit's great, but it's chaos. It
is. It's pure chaos. There'smore bodily noises than you'd probably hear in
I don't know, a Three Stoogesepisode, a lot of a lot of

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nonsense, so I can that one. But um, yeah, we started
right before Christmas, and yeah,and then the pandemic hit and we had
to shift gears a bit, so, um, having to do things remotely
kind of changed our approach to howwe format our show in the long run.
So it's it's good to evolve andit's it's paid off. Yeah,

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I listened to quite a few episodesin preparation for this interview, and the
show just gets better. I wentback, you know, I like to
listen to some of the early onesto see kind of what happens, and
I noticed that that you're pretty consistentwith the format, Like you have a
couple of different types of shows thatyou do, but you do the kind

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of the same type of shows overand over, because it's kind of your
your fingerprint, it is. Yeah, And to me, consistency is important
because you know, you become morefamiliar, becomes more I guess if you're
more comfortable doing it, then yousound more comfortable, and you sound like

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it's just a regular conversation. Yeah. If I'm constantly going back to my
notes and trying to follow an outline, it sounds kind of staggered, and
so we try to get that flowdown. And the important thing is,
you know, after we do anepisode or a format, we talk about
what's what's worked, what hasn't worked, We shift gears if we need to,
and for the most part, theformat is general early the same,

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but we've you know, introduced newsegments or new opportunities along the way,
just to try it out and seewhat works, and yeah, it's it's
a constantly evolving process, which isgreat. So let's set some context for
the listener so they can maybe alignwith you on how big your show is,
Like what's the what's the amount ofdownloads your show gets per episode,
like your latest one. Yeah,so I think out the gate the first

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twenty four hours, I think onaverage we hit about twenty five to thirty
five downloads, depending on the movie, so we're relatively small sum. I
think over the course of seven dayswe we hit closer to about one hundred
hundred and fifty depending. Some ofthat comes from you know, word of
mouth or you know, we haveguests on the show, so they share

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it with their friends and so there'sthere's a couple of things that pick up,
and then the people explore the earlierepisodes along the way. Sure,
um, yeah, but we hoveraround that one one hundred seems to like
a pretty good baseline for our episodesfor their life. I think our most
listened to episode is our Jaws episode, which I think was our second or
third episode, and that has youknow, over three hundred and fifty I

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think right now. Yeah, soour show we're sitting at just under six
thousand downloads. So, like Isaid, we're pretty small, but you
know, the community that we're partof is it keeps it fun. So
even if we have just a coupleof people that are listening, as long
as they're engaged, it keeps usgoing. You know. The funny thing
about your format is that the backcatalog is so important and as time goes

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on, that's I think where you'regoing to see a lot of momentum because
you're not you're not covering brand newmovies. In most cases, this is
the second watch right on second watch, so you're you're not you don't have
the luxury of riding the Google trendsright, so you know, you have
to actually find a listener and keepthem, which is really hard. Yeah,

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it can be, and so wetry to ride the Google trend as
much as we can. So ifthere's a sequel coming out, we'll hit
the prequel or we'll hit um likethe new Ghostbusters movies coming out, where
you have a plan to hit Ghostbustersone and two closer to that release.
So we're trying to find ways oftying it in there. Actually, you
know that our very first episode thatwas actually released to the public was Bad

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Boys, which is strange because Ididn't care to watch the movie, but
Bad Boys for the new one wascoming out. We're like, all right,
let's just let's just start with thisjust to see how it goes.
And so, you know, we'retrying to find our ways to sneak in
there, you know. Yeah,but yeah, we knew that going into
this format that if we're covering nostalgia, it's it's not going to be flipping

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you know, the flavor of themonth discussion or the flavor of the week.
We might not have that luxury.And plus, if we're doing nostalgia,
people might you know, they'll seea title and just skip it because
I don't know this movie or Ididn't like this movie. Yeah, so
we try to find ways of saying, hey, even though you might not
have seen this film, here's likea snip of you know, some funny
content, just to see if itmight drawm in. So we're trying to

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find ways to you know, takeadvantage of the opportunity. But it's a
challenge. Yeah, we know that. Have you ever used any techniques to
try to curate listeners like doing Imean, I don't I'm not an expert
in this, you're the expert,but like like nineties not like nineties movie

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Monday or something like the first weekof the month is nineties movies only or
something like that. We've experimented acouple of times. Some of the things
that we've done is more with fellowindie podcasters. We actually did a RSS
feed share. Okay, so somethingwe did for we did like a Secret
Santa where everybody recorded an episode andshared it on a different RSS feed one

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of our friends. So our episodeactually aired on our friend the Movie Sellers
podcast during Christmas and then somebody onour channel. So it's a way of
kind of introducing people to other podcasts, but kind of you know, just
a chance to just approach a newaudience. So that was one thing we

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did. We've also you know triedto you know, do themes. So
around Halloween obviously we do horror.Christmas time, there's a lot of Christmas
movies that choose from, so wetry to you know, try to find
a theme that kind of fits thetime. Yeah, like we're just talking,
Hey, back to schools going onright now, maybe we should hit

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something like Billy Madison or back toSchool even and you know, just some
opportunities just experimenting with some ideas there. But it's it's difficult with six hosts
to try to coordinate and get everybodyon the same schedule. Everyone has different
demands in their life, so itcan be a challenge. And I you
know, there'll be a movie thatI think we can do, but somebody
is out and I'd really like toget their take on it. Like Nikki's

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a huge like SNL fan, Soanytime we do a movie that has an
SNL predominant character or actor, Iwant to make sure she's in part of
that conversation because she's so excited andenthusiastic, and so we're trying to pick
and choose and try to coordinate allthat. So let's get into that a
little bit because I want to getsome learnings on how any other podcaster can

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wrangle co hosts into making the visionthat's in your head. Because I know
the visions in your head. We'vetalked enough that you've got the master plan.
What do you do to keep everyoneon track. It's it's started out
just doing a lot of texting andtrying to you know, after we're done
recording, say hey, which weekendare you guys free, and try to

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do it that way. We haveevolved into using discord actually, and we
use that to talk, so it'seasier to send you know, funny gifts
and just communicate and just socially chatthat way. I've also opened it up
to have listeners and fans and friendsjoin our discord channel on our on our
some of our public channels to actuallyengage with us and talk, so that

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kind of keeps it fun too.But for managing the hosts, we're using
discord to talk about um kind ofupcoming ideas or scheduling, and I've tried
to manage it that way, andit's it's it's definitely a challenge because you
know, obviously you can tell meI'm one hundred percent and I'd record every
day if I could. And thenbut everybody has their own you know,

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willingness to jump in. Like Chris, maybe one or two a month is
good for him. He's just youknow, he's this is this is kind
of a fun thing. If itbecomes anything more than fun, he gets
a little wigged out for it.So he just needs a break and sometimes
he needs a break from us,which is understandable. My wife, Dana,
she's she's a trooper. She handleseverything that I throw at her,

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and it's like, all right,fine, I'll do this, so you
want to do it. My wifeis she's game for whatever. Yeah,
I mean she she doesn't really likea lot of these movies that we cover
or nor has she ever seen them. So she's along for the ride and
still having fun. But still Igot told that lines like we got,
you know, the podcast, butwe also have our our life, our

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family and things that take care oftoo, and everybody does. So for
me, I had to basically,you know, plot out everybody's engagement level,
what are they willing to do andhow often, and try to pick
and choose those dates without trying tobe too aggressive and say hey let's let's
do it every week. That's that'snot going to work. So we try
to plan enough ahead that we kindof look out one month in advance to

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pick those dates that are good.Typically it lands on like a Saturday night
or something like that. Yeah,but as much forward planning as you can
do, the better, and justhave those open and honest conversations with your
co host and just to see howwilling they are to jump in because you
know, just like work or ona podcast, just sometimes they might not

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be willing to just be upfront andhonest about, hey, this is this
is too much, you know,I want to take a break. Part
of the reason why we have sixpeople is that if somebody does want to
take a break, we still haveenough to have a good roundtable discussion about
things, so we can continue torecord and still have a fun, entertaining
show. Sure, but you know, you definitely need to to know what

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your hosts, you know, levelof engagement is going to be because if
like, for example, if Itold Chris, hey, we're going to
record every day next month, he'dsay, yeah, I think I think
I'm done. So so you definitelyneed to understand everybody and have those conversations,
if you you know, if aslong as you have those open,
honest conversations early and often, thenyou'll be able to plan accordingly and make

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sure you're you know, playing forsuccess. Do you think it's normal for
one host to be more committed thananother host in a podcast? I you
know, I I've seen different things. I feel like there's some shows that
are born of an idea amongst friendssometimes it typically it lands on one person

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is kind of the lead and kindof takes on more of the work.
I've seen some shows that come togetherlike online say hey, I am looking
to do this type of show.I need a co host, and some
other podcasters like, yeah, thissounds great. And I think the ones
that I've seen, they they've workedas long as there's those clear, honest
conversations early on. Sure, butmost of the people I talked to on

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social media, uh, you know, the other indie podcasters, the ones
I'm talking to are kind of thering leaders of the whole thing. They're
they're running the social media. They'redoing the editing and the planning and the
you know, uploading and all sortsof stuff like that. So there's it
seems to be amongst at least theindie podcasters, there's one person that's the
go to for a lot of thework and the others, you know,

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there's you know, some might divvyout the social media, but others seem
to be more along for the rideand you know and having fun. So
there always seems to be a ringleaderfor sure. Is on second Watch a
part of any sort of networks orany anything to help there. We yeah,
we tried before there was one thatwas starting out and we were part

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of it, and you know,because it was early on, it probably
didn't see much benefit from it.But it just seemed like it was just
another platform just to retweet our episodes, and it didn't really there wasn't any
engagement. It just seemed like anythingthat they were sharing or distributing was all
just, hey, this person isa new episode out. So it really
didn't have a lot of value forus. So I dropped out of that

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once they started getting a little bittoo demanding of our kind of our information.
I guess they were trying to geta little bit more details than I
was willing to share. So Ijust we're right now just kind of running
solo as we try to kind offeel out what's what's a good mix for
us right now? The show thecontent is one what your listeners are here

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for, right. They don't carewhat network you're attached to. You,
they don't care who's doing the editingany of that stuff, right. I
mean, is there is there athing in a network that that you need?
Like, is there some thing you'relooking for? I guess that's the
question you know, I think whatI personally was looking for or would hope

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for in a network is just toois to collaborate. I don't need I
don't need someone just to retweet stuffI'm sharing or reshare what I'm already doing.
But an opportunity, it's like,hey, it's like let's do some
collaborative. You know, you canguess on their show, they'll come on
yours and help just kind of collaboratethat. So, I mean, I'm
doing a lot of that on myown, just kind of reaching out and
talking and swapping shows with people.But um, I guess if I was

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part of a network, just havingthat opportunity to grow and you know,
maybe get a couple of listeners ona on another channel and just to just
to see how that would work.Just I think that to me, a
network's value is in the collaboration sideof the house, and that's that's what
I'd look for. Yeah, yeah, I always find it interesting because I
know what a network. I knowthe benefit of a network for giant shows,

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you know, like you have thepodcast ones out there where they sell
advertising for like Adam Carolla and thosefolks like huge shows, So you know,
it's very clear to me, likewhat everyone's role is. But in
these smaller networks, I just don'treally get what the benefits are. So
whenever I hear anybody ever join anetwork or quit a network, I'm always

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interested to be like, okay,like what was the thing that got you
and what was the thing that madeyou quit? Because because I honestly don't
understand it. Because like, forinstance, if you wanted to guest on
my show fan dummies, like comeon, like do you want to feed
drop? Let's do it? Doyou want me to come on your show?
Let's do it? Like I don't. I've never met any podcaster that

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says no, you know, likeno, thanks, you know, I
don't want to grow, like Idon't want to work on my show.
No, we all we all liketo talk and yeah, you know,
and do this is you know,just to engage with other people. So
it's always fun to jump in ondifferent segments and jad for sure, And
there's enough listeners out there for everybody, Like I don't don't subscribe to this

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the competition in podcasting mentality at all? No, And I people were asking
me that before is about you know, why would you support other movie podcasts
and it's just like there's there's plentyof podcasts out there, and there's there's
plenty of listeners. So yeah,everyone has their own kind of approach to

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things, and it's it's fun tolearn. Yeah. I think the data
shows that the average listener listens toor I should say, subscribes to seven
shows. That's the average person.Yeah, But I think when you're into
movie podcasts, I think there hasto be a delineation there because I'm I

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consider myself an average listener and Ithink I subscribe to like sixty shows,
right, And it's because I lookthrough the new episode list and I go,
you know, like, oh,you know the bad Batch, I
want to hear about that, oryou know, oh Conan the Barbarian,
Like, oh, I haven't seenthat in so long, you know,
I wonder if there's something cool goingon with that. Yeah, And so

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there's absolutely people like that out there, because because I'm one of them,
and even before I had a podcast, I was like that just just because
I'm probably the maybe I'm the worstlistener because I'm I'm like, you know,
I'll take that one and then thisone and this one, like like
I don't like, there's not alot of shows where if they're talking about

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something that I'm not interested in,that I'll listen to it, right,
Like, even if I like thehosts. Right, if you're talking about
like a like a Disney animated movie, I'm out, Like, I'll see
you on the Matrix four. Right, Sure, So maybe we can talk
a little bit about some things thatyou've learned along the way, because you're
sixty plus episodes deep, which isserious podcasting. Yeah, I didn't think

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we'd hit this, but yeah,um, some of the things that we
learned for sure is you need tofind ways to keep it fun. And
I mean it seems like very basic, but it's very easy to get kind
of stale. And I saw someof my favorite podcasts they ran into that
rut and they just get burned out. So they have to take a break

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that you know, two week breakbecomes a month and then it becomes well,
we're gonna try something different, butthen they kind of lose the drive.
So we're trying our best to keepit fun and entertaining, because like
I said before, we're we're agroup of friends that have been friends for
twenty plus jeez, longer than twentyfive plus years now, so you're right.

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So we know how to talk togetherand have a good time. And
you know, most of our episodesare they run pretty long. You know,
I'm trying to find ways of cuttingthat down, so it's not,
as you know, a lot toconsume because they're running about an hour and
a half or so. But thoserecording nights, we're sitting there on the
microphones talking for about four hours becausewe're catching up and talking about all sorts

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of other stuff just because we're friendsand having fun. So we got to
keep that magic alive, and that'simportant. Another thing I learned is you
have to evolve. And you know, when we started out this podcast,
I thought this idea is brilliant andit's going to be perfect and we're just
gonna go with it. And thenI very quickly learned after one episode,
oh I got to change this,and then after the next episode it's like,

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oh, we could try this instead. So as long as you keep
that mentality of constantly evolving, yourshow is going to continue to get better.
And sometimes you'll make changes that don'twork and then you're like, okay,
well we tried that, we sawwhat worked, what didn't work,
We'll dial it back, do somethingdifferent, and it really brings value because

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the more you do something, thebetter you'll be at it. Yeah,
and you know, I listened tosome of our older episodes just because I'm
trying to get some ideas of thingsthat we've done, and you can tell
how more mature we sound, eventhough it's that's a stretch for our show.
But the confidence everyone has speaking ona microphone as increased exponentially across the

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board. I still have challenges sometimesto get people to speak more into the
mic, but you know, it'swe've gotten a lot better and it makes
for better audio, the qualities better, so if I have to edit something
out, it doesn't sound so choppy. But just having a mindset of evolving

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and to keep evolving, it's helpedkeep the show fresh, introduced new ideas.
Things that we're doing now, likethe casting and killing Sean Bean,
came out of an idea that hasreally taken off. The plot summary Mad
Lives is a huge hit and it'sprobably our best segment of the show that
just kind of came out of anidea of a chance to be evolve in
You know, the more you tryand experiment with things and be okay with

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failing. It helps just make abetter show in the end. So just
just don't be afraid to experiment andlisten to your listeners and to see what
works and where they're really kind ofengaging with you. The mad Libs thing
was so interesting to me. TheSean Bean thing too, for different reasons.
Though, the mad Libs thing forme was interesting because what you came

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up with in the couple shows thatyou did it in that I heard it
was better than like the IMDb descriptionof them. Sure, like, like
it sounded more interesting to me,even though it had some weird things,
you know, like you say picklewhen you're you know, say, you
know, give me a vegetable pickle, Like you can't use that anywhere where.
It sounds good. But what youend up with is better in a

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lot of cases than these movies thatthat you're watching for the second time,
right, because you know, youpick some that you I think just listening
to the episodes, I truly believeyou remembered them more fondly than it ended
up being like when you watched him. Yeah, absolutely, it Well it

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kind of depends on the film,but yeah, sure. With this group
of friends, I more times thanthat when we get together. Um,
I'm laugh crying a lot because it'sjust you know, just having the time
of my life with these guys.So doing this podcast and at certain points
doing the plot summary mad libs forexample, like I'm I'm losing my shit.

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Yeah, I Um, it takesme a while sometimes get get that
out because I'm about to say somethingjust so crude and crass about a friend
of mine. And it's just youknow, it's it's fun and it's you
know, it makes you know,a movie like Super Mario Brothers better because
we got a chance to laugh aboutthe plot summary that was probably more off

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the wall and its true form thanit was that we created in Mad Lips.
But yeah, it's hard. It'shard to beat Mad Lives. But
you know, Super Mario might mightdo that. That's a weird movie.
It is. It is one thingthat keeps popping in my head and I'm
just trying to figure out the bestplace to ask the question. So it's
here it comes. But like,what do you want out of this podcast?

(29:18):
Because it seems to me like you'rebattling between this. I want to
hang out with friends and you know, cry laugh for four hours, you
know, on the floor, andbut you don't need to record that,
you know, like, there's areason, I think, why you're recording
it? What is it that youwant out of this show? For me

(29:40):
personally, it was an opportunity forme to get more comfortable speaking and a
better on camera, even especially inthese days where everything's remote and I haven't
been in my office in a yearand a half plus saying so constantly I'm
on WebEx calls and things like that. But from me, I just want

(30:00):
to be more comfortable speaking and articulatingmy thoughts and trying to you know,
get things out of my head betterbecause I'm a I'm a very I'm a
very creative person and if I geta creative idea, if I don't do
something about it, it'll just festerin there and I can't sleep, but
it's just eating me away. Podcastinghas given me an outlet to get that
creativity out, and it's it's healthyfor me to dive into this an experiment

(30:25):
and try things. So for thatselfishly, YEA, being able to do
this is good for my own mentalhealth. But I think ultimately what I
would really love for this show isto get to a consistency level where we
can continue to have, you know, great conversations about some of the great

(30:51):
movies of the past, not justthe funny ones that are awful so bad
they're good, um, but tojust to really just have insightful discussions about
the show or the different films.And you know, I've I've tried reaching
out to people in Hollywood and I'vehad you know, success getting a couple
interviews, which is great. ButI just I love the medium. I

(31:14):
love the industry, and as akid, I always wanted to be an
actor. I always wanted to bea part of filmmaking, but it just,
you know, that that path wasn'tmine. So this gives me a
chance to experience that in a certainway. And I think that if we
can lock down our format even better, maybe trim some things up a bit
and get more consistent. I feellike our show definitely has some longivity to

(31:37):
it that it will continue to growand continue to evolve, and I would
like to maybe shorten our window abit on how far back we're going to
look, and maybe start looking atsome of the new films and still have
fun with maybe on first watch,you know, just do some special stuff
about newer films, just to seeif it if we have a good camaraderie

(32:00):
to discuss these films in a uniqueway. Yeah, if the if the
show all of a sudden, let'ssay, started getting enough downloads to where
you could comfortably make some money onit, would you or you would you
keep it? You know ad freekind of um you know, low ad

(32:25):
low AD usage. I should say, I think if if we got to
a point where we were legitimately makingsome money, the entrepreneurial side of my
of me would say, yes,let's let's go for this and see how
we can do even more. Howcan we grow, How can we actually

(32:45):
make this a product that is notonly worthwhile to more listeners but to sponsors
or something like that. I wouldwant to experience that and see how far
we can take it. I'm sure, like I mentioned, for Chris,
maybe not want to turn this intoa job, but if it got to
the point where like it could makesome some serious, you know money where

(33:08):
you know, it's it's okay thatI'm not saying it's it's gonna substitute you
know, our day jobs or anything. Like that. But if it was
making enough that it's like we reallyneed do need to commit to this?
H I think, you know,the six of us, I think that
we'd have enough interest to give itan honest to God's shot, UM,

(33:30):
because it is fun. We loveto watch these movies and hunt them down.
Like Super Mario Bus. We couldn'tfind it anywhere, UM, so
we we really had to search highand low for that. I was on
all sorts of forums trying to finda copy of it. But you know,
so it's it's fun the hunt,the chance to watch these films again.
So that's I think that if wegot to a point that it was

(33:52):
making revenue. UM. For one, I'd love to pay my co host
because you know, right now we'rebarely you know, between donations or UM
a little bit of ad revenue oror UM affiliate marketing that I do.
UM, it's just kind of coveringjust the monthly expenses. It's UM.

(34:15):
I would love to hook these guysup with you know, better equipment or
give them a chance just to justhey, you know, here's just a
thank you, UM, and Iappreciate and having fun. Let's just keep
doing this. I think if ifwe got to that point, the team
would would definitely be all all infor it. Yeah, I think that
would be an interesting conversation because youknow some of them being in and out,

(34:38):
you know, twenty five percent committedby their choice, right, Like,
how would that even work? Itwould be that that's a what I
call a high class problem, right, you have to you have too much
money and you don't know like whogets what percentage? Yeah? But uh,
but no, I think I thinkmovie pods have this opportunity. There's

(35:01):
not a lot of them though.There's not a lot of them out there
that are that are earning money,like I like, even for my own
stuff, I researched, you know, and say, how how big can
a podcast? Like what what youknow? What you do or what I
do? How how big can theyget? And um, I think they
absolutely can get big enough to supporthosts for sure. I don't know if

(35:25):
they would get I don't know ifit makes anybody rich, but I definitely
think it could turn into jobs.You got to find the right level.
And yeah, um obviously consistency isa is a big one. Um.
And I think if you grow yourshow enough, there's there are there are
advertisers and sponsors out there in theentertainment realm that are looking for this type

(35:50):
of an audience that the movie goer, the streamer, um, you know,
the ones of of you know,pop culture things like that. There's
there's definitely a lot of sponsors outthere looking for something. It's just are
you big enough, Um, wouldyou generate enough you know, clicks and
click throughs and things like that.It's just, you know, just kind
of depends. And obviously right nowwe're fairly small, so a couple bucks

(36:10):
here and there is great for me. But um, I agree, Yeah,
it's when when when when a dollaris made by something that you create,
it feels unbelievable. It does,it does. Yeah, it's just
so funny. And we've we've hada koffee page, which is you know,
if those aren't familiar with it,it's it's like a buy me a
coffee or a Patreon experience. Andum, we've we've been a part of

(36:35):
that since the beginning and it's beenfantastic just to haven't an option for somebody
says, hey, you know what, your show's pretty cool. Here's here's
three bucks. I mean three bucks, isn't you know a lot of money,
but when somebody donates it to youbecause of something you created and they
want to help you out, itmeans so much more than that three dollars

(36:57):
could ever mean. And it's justit gives you in sentis like, oh,
let's let's just keep doing this.People are supporting us, this is
fun. Let's keep going guys,and it's it's been great. It's been
great. Yeah, I mean thatwhole phenomena, there was nothing, you
had, an idea, you gotfriends together, you created it, and
some person in the world gave youthree bucks. That's just nuts to me.

(37:20):
Yeah, Like the whole the wholeidea of that is just crazy to
me. There there are a lotof good people out there. Despite what
the media and social media can tellyou, there's there's a lot of really
genuine good people out there that arealways trying to help other creators. And
I've I've tried to kind of matchevery donation we've received by donating to another
show or a creator on kofee andjust trying to you know, the same,

(37:45):
The same feeling I get when someonedonates me money is a feeling I
get also when I reciprocate that tosomeone else. So if you kind of
find ways of helping others along theway, it's it's a win win for
everybody. And creators just love tosay to have people say, I see
you, I see what you're doing. I appreciate it. Keep at it,
and you know, it goes,it goes further than any you know,

(38:07):
three dollars donation might go. Yeah, I totally agree. It's the
act that gets you, like getsyou the fields. It's not it's not
the three bucks. I mean that'sgreat at all, but you know,
it's it's just the idea that thatsomehow all these things conspired for this this
to happen just so so impressive,it's amazing. So as we wrap up

(38:29):
this interview, because you know we'regoing, we've gone. I've kept you
longer than what you've agreed to.That's all right. How what what's one
thing that you're working on where youcould use some advice from the community,
Not not for me, but we'regoing to ask the people in the comments
to to to give you some adviceon a question that you might have.

(38:51):
Yeah. I think I'm always lookingfor more ways to engage with the community.
Um, social media is great.For some of that, but you
know, the people listen to Obviously, I see my numbers. People listen
to the show, and I couldthrow a question out there in a recording
or on the show notes or somethinglike that, and I don't I don't

(39:12):
hear anything. And I'd love toget more feedback from the people actually listening.
So are there certain ways people areengaging with their audience or would like
to engage with the podcast that theyenjoy to try to um, you know,
provide some feedback or be a partof the experience, because honestly,
that's that's what I enjoy the most, is getting that that feedback and that

(39:32):
engagement with people that truly listen tothe show. Sure, it's it's exciting
to me, and dialar numbers aregreat. It's good to see that,
you know, there's there's a trend. So obviously we're doing something because we
still have listeners after sixty three episodesnow, but I'd love to continue to
engage with those that are listening,and right now we have there's a few

(39:54):
of them that do talk to usregularly, which is fantastic, but I'd
love to do that even more soI know that that good pods is a
great platform for you know, listeningto podcasts and also engaging with others,
But at the same time, itseems like it's another platform where I'm just
talking to other podcasters that are allkind of doing the same thing, trying
to get feedback and listens and thingslike that. I'd love to just find

(40:16):
better ways of communicating with those thatare already engaged with my show. Yeah,
So if there's ideas or recommendations onhow to do that, I'd be
totally open for having those conversations.Yeah, that's amazing. I hope somebody
has some great idea because I coulduse some ideas myself. Yeah. So,

(40:37):
Tim, tell everybody where they canfind you and on second watch,
Yeah absolutely, So we're all overTwitter mostly. We have Facebook and Instagram
as well, but on Twitter weare OSW podcast one and you can find
our website at oswpodcast dot com.We have all our episodes out there,
a place for you to leave avoicemail to leave your thoughts and things like

(41:00):
that as well. Um, that'sreally the best way to reach us.
That's our our go to for allepisodes and all sorts of fun stuff that
we're doing, including some of thefundraising that we're doing for some charities here
and there as well, So that'sit's been a lot of fun doing that
too. But yeah, just feelfree to engage with us on Twitter,

(41:20):
you know, that's that's kind ofwhere I talk to the most people.
And I'd love to help other indiepodcasts if they have a question or give
them feedback or you know, doan an honest review, not just a
five star for five star review.But yeah, just just connect with us
on social media, happy to talkand share the journey and the nostalgia for
movies. If it's four stars,you'll tell them via DM it's five stars,

(41:44):
you'll tell them via Apple podcast,right exactly. Yeah, yeah,
no, I get how that works. And I'll put all your links in
the description below so people can seethat and they can if they don't have
to remember any of that stuff.Tim, it's been amazing talking to you.
I've learned a lot, Like Ifeel like I have a new insight
on what it's like to have sixco hosts. I can't even imagine.

(42:07):
I can't imagine it, honestly,Like just Aaron and I trying to figure
out what show to cover and whento record is challenging. It's just two
of us and we live together rightlike it's you know, I can't imagine
doing it with with with six,but it's it's a challenge, but it's
worth it because the dynamic makes itso much more enjoyable. So it's it's

(42:30):
worth the stress of getting it alltogether. But I love your framework of
just knowing everybody's limits and including themwhere they're comfortable and not having hard feelings
when they're not. I think that'ssuper great. Yeah, I mean,
just whether it's a podcast or inyour life, it's it's to me,
it's a sign of a strong leaderthat knows their team what they're comfortable with

(42:52):
and hit them where their sweet spotis and don't push them too far.
So that's that's what we're trying todo here, and you know, where
it works, it's great and ifnot, then we got to circle back
and assess it. But that's partof the journey. That's an amazing quote
that we can stop on. Sothanks again for being on the show and

(43:15):
I had a lot of fun andI'll see you next time. Absolutely,
thanks so much for having me.Really appreciate bye. Thank you so much
to Tim from on Second Watch forcoming on the show and teaching us all
sorts of amazing things, including howto manage multiple co hosts without burning them
out. I'll put all of Tim'sand on Second Watches information down into show

(43:36):
notes, along with everything else wetalked about, so if you find something
interesting, you can easily click thelink and find it. If you are
a podcast creator and you want togrow your show, check out Indie drop
in dot com board slash Creators tolearn how to get featured on one of
Indie drop ins podcasts. I alsoencourage you to join podcast Creators Facebook group

(43:58):
where we talk about the craft ofpodcasting, creation, marketing. Everything in
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