95 | Root vs. Fruit: Tackling the Hidden Drivers of Sin

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The battle against sin is far deeper than most Christians realize. In this thought-provoking episode, Jonathan and Sean tackle the crucial distinction between the "fruit" of sin (our outward behaviors) and the "root" of sin (the internal heart issues driving those actions).

Using the powerful analogy of weeds that keep returning after being cut down, they explain why merely addressing external behaviors without confronting underlying causes leads to an endless cycle of struggle and defeat. Through honest, sometimes uncomfortable exploration, they reveal how common sins like gluttony, gossip, and holding grudges actually stem from deeper heart issues including pride, judgmental attitudes, unforgiveness, and spiritual complacency.

What makes this conversation truly valuable is their willingness to address these sensitive topics with equal measures of biblical truth and grace. While they don't shy away from calling sin what it is, they remind listeners that God's forgiveness is always available and that spiritual growth is a journey requiring patience with ourselves and others. The hosts share personal struggles, practical solutions, and powerful scripture references that help listeners identify and address both the visible "fruits" and the hidden "roots" of sin in their own lives.

Whether you're a new believer struggling to overcome persistent temptations or a long-time Christian seeking deeper transformation, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on why behavior modification alone isn't enough. By examining your heart's motivations and surrendering both the roots and fruits of sin to God, you can experience the true freedom and peace that Christ promises to those who follow Him.

Ready to dig deeper in your spiritual journey? This episode provides the tools to start excavating what's beneath the surface of your struggles, guiding you toward lasting change rather than temporary fixes.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
When you sin and you feel God pricking your heart,
that's him saying, hey, there'ssomething wrong.
You might want to go check onthat, and sometimes it can be
intentional, sometimes it isunintentional, I believe.
But when you feel God prickingat your heart, that's a time to
step back and say, well, maybe Ineed to evaluate this situation

(00:24):
or what went wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You're listening to the Everyday Christian Podcast
where we apply scripturalprinciples to everyday Christian
lives.
I'm John.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Rich and I'm Sean Sloggett, and this is what
happens when you have technicaldifficulties.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, we actually started a live and it looked
like we had like six or sevenpeople going and it was just
blank.
Hopefully you guys can see usnow.
I'll have to check on the phonehere momentarily, but we want
to thank everybody for joiningand listening in and if for some
reason, you can't hear us oryou can't see us, please let us
know.
We're not really used to doinga lot of live recordings and it

(01:05):
seems like the last few episodeswe've done the debate was not
live, but the last few singleepisodes we've done with just
Sean and I, it's all been liveand ready to go.
So it can be kind ofnerve-wracking and things don't
always go as planned.
As long as technology isinvolved, something more than

(01:25):
likely is going to mess up, butit is good to be with you all
here today.
It's a blessing to see thecomments.
We've seen the shares, thelikes, the feedback, the
messages.
Have been overwhelming just yet, but they've certainly left an
impression on us and we'rethankful for those.

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Lots of questions that havecome through, a lot of different
podcast ideas people havesuggested to us, debates people
have suggested to us.
Obviously, we'll have a lot of,a lot of content coming out
here this year way more thanusual, many more guests that
we've been in contact with orhave just or discussed having on
the show.
So bear with us, brother Sean,we're going to hopefully buckle

(02:10):
up on the way down.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm going to do it and hopefully I can be a part of
some of them.
Yeah, I really, really wantedto be part of the uh the debate
I was actually planning to uhset up to, but sickness hit my
family, me especially, just likeI'm sure it hit a lot of people
this last month or so.
So unfortunately we missed out.

(02:32):
But we're back, we're ready togo.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it seems like the sicknesses have hopefully
subsided, but then there's likea measles outbreak in Texas, so
hopefully that doesn't make itsway up here anytime soon.
We'll see You're not going wayup here anytime soon, we'll see
You're not going to visit familyanytime soon.
I'm not going to visit familyin Texas anytime soon.
I'm sorry, family.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Sorry, Rich family, but y'all are on your own, I
guess next month.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm actually thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know, we'll see.
Anyway, hopefully it's If themeasles outbreak starts in
Oklahoma.
You can thank Jonathan, yeah,yeah, nope, don't thank me Today
, this evening.
I guess we're a little over 30minutes past when we wanted to
start, but we're going to betalking about the root of the
sin versus the fruit of the sin.
This is something that I'm surea lot of people look into.

(03:19):
I myself, personally, havelooked into it, done, know, done
some studies and research on it, and we're here doing it again.
So, brother Jonathan, take itaway.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, the root of sin versus the fruit of sin, and
there are some things that youdidn't realize, more than likely
, that actually were sin.
I wanted to make mention ofthis because I know, you know, I
think a lot of times on theseepisodes and for those who have
listened, we sort of give like apre-labeled warning at times.
I'm going to do that again.

(03:50):
I'm also going to suggest yougo back and listen to that
debate.
It was very, very, veryintriguing, very interesting,
very, I believe, educational.
I mean, I'm still feasting offof that myself.
I hope most of you are as well,or at the very least, it's
challenging to study the Word ofGod more.
That's obviously the point, andwe've made that known a few

(04:11):
times.
But there's something that I'vesaid a few times leading up to
that debate and after thatdebate quite a few times, and
during the debate rather as well.
So, and that is, we aim not tobe biased.
You know, when we're hostingthat sort of platform it's our
first hosted debate Our aim, ourgoal is, you know, to be as

(04:33):
unbiased as possible, and Imentioned that.
You can find our other videosor other podcasts.
You can see our other posts tokind of get an idea of what Sean
and I believe, what the crazything is, sean and I don't
believe on everything the exactsame, you know, and that's what
makes?
that's what I believe makes thepodcast work so well.
But I believe beards arebiblical.
Clearly, yeah, yeah, clearly, Idon't believe they're biblical.

(04:57):
Um, uh, I could use those as acrutch, just cause I cannot grow
one.
Obviously, if you've listened tothe episode at any point in
time but something that we'regoing to talk about tonight it's
probably going to seem likeit's alluding to the debate, and
I'm here to tell you that it'snot.
It has nothing to do with thedebate.
It has nothing to do with whatwas said in the debate.

(05:18):
I listened to the debate onetime during the live and one
time while I was editing.
I have not listened to it,dissected it or anything like
that.
Like I said, it was interesting.
I got a lot from it.
I obviously studied a lot morefrom it.
But the things that I say inthis episode, the things Sean
says in this episode, are notreflective of Bree and holiness,

(05:39):
they're not reflective of LukeBeetz, they're not reflective of
the debate at all.
It's just we've had episodes inmind, we've had studies in mind
that we wanted to share, and sowe're going to do that.
And if at any point, you'relistening to this and you say,
oh well, that's talking aboutwhat so-and-so said and this.
That's not what it is.

(06:00):
This is just a podcast episode,so please chill.
The first thing I want to talkabout beginning this episode is
what is sin?
I think a lot of times we havea different idea of what sin
actually is.
We have a different idea ofwhat the root of sin actually is
.
We have a different idea ofwhat the fruit of sin actually

(06:20):
is, and so I just want to gointo simple definitions, simple
terms, before we get into themajority or the meat of this
episode.
Sin is any action, thought orbehavior that violates God's
will, commands or His moral law,moral code.
The term sin comes from theGreek word haemartia, meaning to

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miss the mark or to fall short.
So when I sin, I fall short ofyou know, the scripture, the
glory of God, or I'm fallingshort of the mark that God
placed before me.
It is a rebellion against God.
It is a willing rebellionagainst God.
Now I've got notes here andagain.
Brother Sean and I don't alwayssee eye to eye on different

(07:05):
things.
He may agree with what I'mabout to say, he may disagree
with what I'm about to say, andthat's fine.
But we're going to talk aboutit, but I personally believe
that sin is the willful act orwillful transgression against
God's law, knowing that theactions are wrong.
The Bible tells us that for aman to do what is right and

(07:26):
doeth it not to him, it is sin,so it is knowing it is.
Willful acts or transgressionsagainst God there is, I believe.
Again, we'll push this on itsside for a minute, don't go too
far.
But I believe there is a thingas willful, such a thing as
willful sin, and there is such athing as willful sin and there
is such a thing as unintentionalsin, unintentional sins.

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Personally, I don't believethey can be punishable by hell.
If you didn't know that you hadpride at a moment, or you
didn't know that you wereaccidentally gossiping and it
was not something that you werepurposely trying to disobey
God's word, I have a hard timebelieving, especially for new
believers, that God is going tosend you to hell.

(08:09):
And then there is willfultransgression, which means that
I knowingly sin against God'slaw.
I know that God's law says thisand even though it says it, I'm
still going to disobey it.
That is a willful sin.
That is an act that I believecauses transgression between us
and God and causes separationbetween us and God.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's a whole nother podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
It is a whole nother podcast.
There's a couple things in herewe could do a whole nother
podcast on and we might, butthere are some struggles in this
and there is growth in all ofthis.
And I say that because thereare areas in my life that I deal
with that I didn't deal withwhen I was a new convert.
There are things I dealt withas a new convert that I don't
deal with today.

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There were worse things that Ifaced and worse mistakes that I
made that I obviously don't maketoday, because there is a
growth as a Christian.
When you're trying your best tofollow after the Bible, trying
your best to follow after God,when you're constantly seeking
advice from someone inleadership or seeking advice

(09:15):
from someone who's been savedfor a long time, and you're
trying your best to do what'sright, you are going to improve.
You are going to get better inareas that you fall short in
right.
You are going to improve.
You are going to get better inareas that you fall short in.
There are going to be thingstoday that you're struggling
with that 10 years from nowyou're going to be like, oh,
that wasn't even that big of adeal, like why did I struggle so
much with that?
But there's a reason why Paulsays I die daily.

(09:38):
It is a daily commitment to putaside the unwanted things that
are contrary to God's will.
Every day I wake up I try tothink.
Now, I'm not saying every day Ido, because I fail, by the way,
but every day I wake up I tryto think of things that I can do
that would be pleasing to Godand things that I shouldn't do

(09:59):
that would be displeasing to God.
Brother Sean.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yes, absolutely, and there is grace.
Pleasing to God, brother Sean.
Yes, absolutely, and there isgrace.
While Brother Jonathan wastalking about this, the first
thing that came to my mind is aquestion that some of you all
probably have thought.
And it's well, what if I'mtrying and I mess up anyway?
Yeah, and that happens toeverybody.
Everybody has done it, ifyou're a new believer especially

(10:23):
, but we all have.
Like Brother Jonathan said, weall have struggles, we all have
things that we have to fight,and I like what Paul said is I
die daily.
What he's saying is everymorning, when I get up, I have
to remind myself hey, it's notabout you, sean, it's your

(10:44):
relationship with God, it'sabout those things.
And when you do mess up, whenyou do fall, I always admire the
kids in my Sunday school class.
We've talked about this herepretty recently.
Actually it's probably been afew weeks ago now, but you know

(11:05):
they've brought some of thisstuff up and my question is what
was the intention?
Did you do it on purpose?
Was it accidental?
And as soon as it was over,what was the end effect?
What happened as soon as youmessed up?
Did you feel God convict youand did you try to make it right

(11:28):
.
That's God's grace reaching outto you and you know, excuse me,
whatever it may be, but when yousin and you feel God pricking
your heart, that's him saying,hey, there's something wrong.
You might want to go check onthat, and sometimes it can be

(11:51):
intentional, sometimes it isunintentional, I believe.
But when you feel God prickingat your heart, that's a time to
step back and say, well, maybe Ineed to evaluate this situation
or what went wrong.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You know, in the earlier episodes of the podcast
I don't remember maybe 10episodes in we talked about
guilt and how oftentimes we getfree from sin, but we don't get
free from the guilt of our sin.
You know, we think that becauseI have sinned and I've asked
for forgiveness, that all of asudden maybe I didn't do enough

(12:28):
to get granted forgiveness, ormaybe I did something today and
I've heard this before.
My wife and I have spoke aboutthis several times and I've
talked to others about this fearevery night going to sleep.
That is well what if I wake upand the rapture's taking place
and everyone's let you know andI'm left behind because there

(12:51):
was something I did today thatwasn't pleasing to God and, by
the way, I want to do anotherepisode on this, that just that
in particular.
But that's, that's not howGod's grace works and it's not
how God works.
God's grace is enough for youto lay your head down at night,
go to sleep in peace, knowingthat he has delivered you from

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the wages and the guilt of sin.
We worry about the wages of sin, we worry about the actual sin
and then, after God has forgivenus and we feel that forgiveness
by the way, you can feel God'sforgiveness, you could feel His
love.
I can't tell you how many timesI've done something that was
sinful, I've committed an actthat was against God's Word, and

(13:33):
I've asked God for forgivenessand felt just grace wrap around
I can't explain it any other waybut that grace wrapped around
me and then moments laterthere's that bug in the back of
my head.
Well, you didn't really getforgiveness.
Well, why did you do that inthe first place?
Well, you should have neverwent there, you should have
never said that, you should havenever saw that.

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God, when he forgives us, wecan let go of the guilt of sin
as well.
I die daily.
If you're new, if you're a newbeliever, you've never you've
been saved for a week, you'vebeen saved for a year say, I'm
struggling with sin.
That's okay.
Everybody struggles with sin,especially when they're first

(14:15):
saved, especially when they arefirst converted to Christ.
Everybody has different trials,different battles, different
temptations, temptations thatare tempting.
You are not going to betempting me, but you can be free
from that and you can be freefrom the guilt of that.
So we talk about the fruit ofsin, the root of sin, and

(14:36):
there's a problem when we onlyfocus on the fruit of sin.
Fruit of sin.
And by fruit I mean that manypeople attempt to deal with
outward actions, outwardstandards, outward beliefs,
while neglecting the root of theproblem.
It's starting to warm up.
Hopefully we don't have anotherreally bad icy, snowy, whatever

(15:00):
it is, and then, like we didlast week here in Oklahoma on
Wednesday and everything shutdown and now all of a sudden
it's like 80 degrees outside.
Hopefully we don't have anymore snow, but if the weather
stays like it is, in a few shortweeks you're going to start
seeing grass grow and you'regoing to see leaves grow and
you're going to see differentplants grow and get the sun that

(15:21):
it needs and the water thatit's going to start raining here
in a few months, and so thingsare going to begin to grow and
while they grow, simultaneouslythere are going to be weeds.
Now I love using a weed eater.
I love it.
Brother Sean's got this reallycool weed eater that's got a

(15:41):
metal edge tool on it that heput on there, and it's my
favorite weed eater to use inall the world, because that
sucker will chop down an Oaktree.
You know, I don't know if it'lldo that, but but it's pretty
powerful.
It's pretty powerful.
I love it.
But if you take that weed eater, no matter how powerful, and

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you go and you cut down weedswith that weed eater I mean,
that's what it's intended for,it's in the name A few days
later those weeds will be backAlways.
They're always going to return.
If you don't put something, youcut it.
You don't put something down,spray something on it, they are
going to return.
But if you get down in the dirt, you get a little shovel and
you dig out that weed from theroot.

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Yes, the weed is bad, but itstarts at the root.
It starts with what's deepwithin.
There are deeper roots.
When it comes to sin Outsidesins just as an example like
murder, that's a pretty harshone, that's probably one of the
worst ones, obviously.
But those kind of things stemfrom deeper issues.

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When you think about Cain andAbel, cain killed Abel and the
act of sin outwardly, the fruitof sin, was murder.
But there were internal rootsof sin that he was dealing with.
He was dealing with pride, hewas dealing with jealousy.
He was dealing with pride, hewas dealing with jealousy, he
was dealing with anger.
And because he was dealing withthat, on the inside, what was

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on the outside followed suit.
The root of sin is often hiddenin our hearts and minds and no
amount of outward behavior cancleanse that.
Now I want to repeat that,because a lot of you guys are
not going to hear that, oryou're going to disagree, or
you're going to say going tohear that, or you're going to
disagree, or you're going to sayI was wrong, or you're going to
hate it.
But the root of sin is oftenhidden in our hearts and minds

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and no amount of outwardbehavior can cleanse that.
You can change outward behavior, but you cannot change what's
on the inside.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
And we're not saying that you should not deal with
the fruit of it.
Sure, don't take it that way atall.
One of my cousins preached asermon years ago and he kept
talking about the spider web inthe corner.
He said if there's a spider webin the corner of the house,

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every lady in in here is gonnago get a broom or something and
clean it and get it down yeahhe's and just like we're talking
about.
He said the problem is give it acouple days and that spiderweb
is going to be back right.
And then you go clean it againa couple days later.
Spiderweb is right back therebecause you're not dealing with

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the problem Right, you're onlygetting to the surface of it.
Until you get that spider outof the house, you're never going
to be able to fix it.
And we're not saying don't dealwith the spider web either.
Yeah, yeah, you know the spiderweb needs dealt with also.
But if you're not getting tothe base, then you will be

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struggling.
But if you're not getting tothe base, then then you will be
struggling.
And I think that's what a lotof um, a lot of people have have
missed on.
And I'm not perfect either.
I'm not gonna act like I am, uh, but you know, growing up we
you'd always hear preachingagainst televisions and internet
and going bowling and you know,know all these different things

(19:06):
.
Some of them were silly, some ofthem weren't, but when you
actually get down and study themTV for example, there's nothing
wrong with a box.
Yeah, and everybody that wantsto argue with me, you have a box
At least one of them.
Some of you guys have a coupleof them.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're watching this on YouTube or Facebook.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Your phone, your iPad , your laptops.
We all have them.
There's nothing wrong with thatbox, right?
The root of the problem is whatare you doing with it Exactly?
You know, I can get in muchmore trouble on my iPad or my
phone or anything, than they did30, 40 years ago, right?

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But there are also some very,very good things.
We had a men's Bible study andwe got to talk about different
Bible apps, and we got totalking about different Bible
apps and I can tell you rightnow, I have five Bible apps on
my phone.
That's a good thing to have onyour box, yeah, yeah, yeah, the

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root of the problem and I'm notgoing to mention all of them-
but, one of the big roots of theproblem is time wasting.
Yeah, the fruit of it was thebox.
Yeah, the root of the problemis spending an hour watching
reels, and I'm just as guilty aseverybody else doing this
sometimes and then you realize,man, I have wasted 30 minutes,

(20:47):
45 minutes an hour.
What better could I have beendoing?
Yeah, I could have been praying.
I could have been praying, Icould have been reading my Bible
.
I'll fall asleep reading myBible, but if reels are on then
I'll be up until 2 o'clock.
So the root of the problem weneed to get to it.
But you do have to deal withthe fruit and don't discount the

(21:08):
fruit.
But until you get down deeper,that fruit is going to keep
appearing.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, I would like to say that if you are listening
to this, don't stop listeningjust because we said that.
Give us about 45 minutes, thenyou can worry about the time
wasting.
But I agree with what Sean saidit all comes down and we're
going to talk about this, but itall comes down to a
self-control.
What Sean said it all comesdown and we're going to talk
about this, but it all comesdown to a self-control.
If you don't have self-control,if you don't know where your
limits are, you're you're goingto exceed those.

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And it is easy, like he said,it's easy to scroll through
Facebook.
It's easy to scroll through TikTOK or Instagram reels or
watching through Tik.
TOK?
I think so.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I don't have one.
If you haven't downloaded it, Ithink you still can.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Trump saved it for people, so anyway.
But you can still do that.
You can still scroll throughInstagram reels and waste time
and hours, and you coulddownload games on your phone,
and none of those things areharmless.
Games are not harmless.
Scrolling through videos is notharmless.
Let me say that again,scrolling through videos is not
harmless.
What are you watching?

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What are you wasting your timeon?
Is it pleasing to God?
Is it not pleasing to God?
Those are all questions you canask, but again, it comes down
to what is on the inside.
Have you had a change in heart?
There are dangers of hidden sins.
I will say that hidden sins aresins that are a cancer inside

(22:31):
of the church.
If I'm a fiery preacher thatsticks to the word of God and
have the right look and actcorrectly and I'm even a good
pastor and I'm a decent preacheryou know, if I do all those
things and I wear the pastoralhat and I visit the sick in the
hospital and I pray for thosethat are homebound or whatever,

(22:53):
but I have lust, or if I'mdealing with the sin of
pedophilia in my heart and I acton those things in secret,
mentally or physically, then Iam simply dealing with the fruit
and not the root.
I am making myself appear to begood when, deep down inside,
I'm facing battles that no oneelse knows about, and I dare to

(23:15):
say many of us are.
Many of us are facing our ownstruggles, and if you don't want
to admit that or you want tosay you're perfect, I'm sorry
but you're not perfect andyou're wrong if you think that
you are perfect.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Your struggle is lying.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
But, yes, your struggle is lying, but yes, but
it is such a shock toindividuals when someone comes
out of a church leadership thatwas immoral or inappropriate,
because we put them on apedestal, but also because we
fail to realize that they arehumans who can potentially have
sins that are hidden by attireand by attitude.
If I wear the best things andsay the best things and go to

(23:51):
the right places and watch theright things, I don't believe
there's anything wrong withthose things.
But what is my heart?
What's at the root?
Am I addressing the sin at itscore?
Am I going and asking God tohelp my mind?
Am I asking God to help myheart?

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And there's some sins withinthis.
That and again.
We could probably do threeepisodes on this, and we might.
I don't know, we'll see.
That's the beauty of having apodcast we can do whatever we
want.
So we might even do a fewepisodes on this, because
there's many things that areactually outward sins, that are

(24:35):
something that we actually dealwith internally, that we need to
get internally correct first,and one of those sins that we
might not know is sin or wemight be committing unknowingly
is the sin of gluttony.
We've mentioned it a few timeson the podcast, but it refers to
the excessive consumption offood or drink.

(24:57):
You'll notice that in the Bible, anytime that it mentions the
word glutton or gluttony, it isalways paired with drunkard.
So it's talking about excessiveconsumption of those things.
It is the fruit of deeperinternal issues.
Now you want to talk about theroot causes of gluttony.
It's way more than just the actof eating a bunch of food or

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way more than the act of justdrinking till you're drunk.
It is actually the idolatry ofthe flesh.
So the internal sin or the rootcause of gluttony is idolatry
of myself, it's lack ofself-control, it's being
discontent, it's being pridefuland self-indulgent.
It's seeking comfort in foodrather than comfort in God.

(25:44):
It's more than just aboutovereating.
It's about what is happeninginternally in my heart and in my
mind.
If I am constantly trying tosatisfy my flesh, regardless of
what it is, we can talk about amillion things that go with that
.
But specifically with gluttonyand I know a lot of people
struggle with it I mean we'vegot a whole Robert F Kennedy Jr,

(26:08):
maha Make America Healthy Again.
We've got a whole brand newdepartment there that is trying
to work and help individuals behealthier in the United States.
So I know that people strugglewith this, but what is it
internally causing you to dothat?
Do you lack self-control?

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Do you have issues with anxiety?
Do you have issues withdepression?
And you overeat because ofthose things?
All of those things.
Yes, gluttony is the sin.
It is the fruit of whatever isgoing on in my heart and mind,
brother Sean.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, that's very true.
We did a podcast on gluttonyand now I feel like we didn't go
deep enough on the podcast.
Yeah, here's you talking aboutthat, and this is just one of
those things.
Of course, there's always more,and this is not to condemn you,

(27:11):
but to encourage you that youcan do better reach out to
somebody who you feel confidentin.
You know, gluttony is just oneof those things there's I'm
repeating myself man.
I'm telling you guys livevideos, mess me up.
I can do, I can do a recordedone and mess up only once or

(27:35):
twice, and then you see thelittle red live and I'm like, uh
, Like I forget how to speak.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
They just need to hear it twice.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Maybe you do need to hear it.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And it's not just about overeating, like I said,
it is about what's internally inour hearts.
Yes, the overeating.
Man we did an episode on that.
We could do 15 episodes on that.
I think we actually said thatduring that episode.
I think every episode we'veever done has always been like
dude, we could do so much more,Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Something that a lot of people don't realize and I
don't know if there's even aword for this I'm sure there is
but the lack of taking care ofyourself as well.
A lot of times we talk aboutgluttony and the overeating and
the overindulgence of, butthere's also the flip side of
that, where you harm yourself bystarving and not taking care of

(28:33):
your body and not getting thenutrition that you need and
those things.
If you go study a lot of thatstuff out, then it's caused by
depression, it's caused by lackof sleep, it's caused by this
whole list of other things.
And you keep digging down deeperand you realize, oh well, I'm
only getting four hours of sleepa night.

(28:54):
Okay why?
It's because I'm staying upwatching Reels all night long.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, we just went through this.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
We'll circle back around here.
So you know, gluttony is one ofthose things, but there also is
a flip side of it, where thelack of taking care of your body
is as well.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, and it's difficult, I get it, I
understand it, and it's almostas if there's roots to the roots
.
It's like, well, I'm overeatingbecause I'm depressed, well,
why am I depressed?
And it just keeps going.
Think of a root.
A root doesn't just go.
I mean, it goes down itsplinters off.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
If anybody's ever tried digging up like a tree, oh
, I hate it.
My dad used to have a lawn carebusiness and we would mess
around with trees and pull treesup and there were trees and
this root went that way and it'dbe 50 foot out there and this
one went 20 foot over there andyou'd finally get to the end of
it to realize that it turnedleft and then you gotta and they

(29:51):
were down and a rat.
We finally just started killingthem at the stop.
Yeah, yeah you.
You'll never get a tree, once atree, and I don't remember the
whole science behind it, butafter they're like man if
somebody knows, maybe they can,yeah, jump on here and tell me,
but after a certain age they saythat the root system is like

(30:11):
mile long.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't remember the exact, but after just a few
years it is massive yeah yeah,that's one of those things where
, if you don't cut it off rightnow maybe too late now we're
preaching sermons but it doessplit off and it can be deeper
even than just that.
And I think that the point ofthis podcast we've got a couple

(30:36):
more obviously but the point ofthis podcast is what am I
actually facing?
What am I actually dealing with?
Now I've got to tell some ofyou and we've mentioned this
before but if you need spiritualcounseling, there is nothing
wrong with needing spiritualcounseling.
If you need someone to help youthrough whatever it is mentally

(31:00):
, whatever struggle it is,whatever anxiety it is, there is
nothing wrong with that.
Now we can again.
That's the fifth episode.
We could do a whole, notherepisode on.
You can again.
That's the fifth episode.
We could do a whole, notherepisode on.
So there obviously are internalthings and roots that cause us
to sin that we need forgivenessfor, yes, but we also need to

(31:20):
delve in and find out what it is.
And there are some things youcan do to overcome gluttony.
You can cultivate self-controlby the help of the Holy Ghost.
I believe you can reevaluateyour relationship with food.
You need to ask yourself why amI turning to food Is that of
emotional comfort?
Is it because of stress,boredom, discontentment?

(31:42):
Gluttony can often arise whenwe use food as a way to numb
pain or escape feelings or dealwith anxiety.
So we can reevaluate what foodis to us.
Is food to feed us and tonourish us, or is it just
something we use as a copingmechanism?
We can seek contentment inGod's provision.
We can practice fasting ordenial of food.

(32:03):
That one is hard, I get it.
If you're struggling with thesin of gluttony, practicing
fasting obviously can help youovercome that and we're going to
talk a little bit later onabout how to deal with sin,
obviously.
But seek healing for emotionalstruggles.
That may come through hours andsessions upon sessions of

(32:24):
counseling.
It may come through differentactions, prayers, it may come
through different exercises.
Whatever it comes from.
I want to say this again thereis nothing wrong with that.
I think it's so taboo in ourchurch now that if someone

(32:46):
sought counseling for something,they're the crazy ones, and
that's just not true.
And we're facing differentmental anxieties every single
day and different things thatwe've, that that are dealt to us
every single day that peopleback in the fifties didn't deal
with, and they dealt with thingsthat we're not dealing with
today.
So there are levels to this,but there are ways that you can

(33:09):
overcome that, and I wanted tosay it again, and you may not
like this and you may love it, Idon't care, but someone needs
to know that there is nothingwrong with seeking help, and
we've said it before on thispodcast and we'll say it again
If you need help, you don't knowwho to turn to, please message
us comment, I don't really care.
Message us individually.

(33:29):
You don't even have to messagethe podcast Sean Sloggett,
jonathan Rich and let us know.
You know that you need help.
We will do our best to get youconnected to somebody yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
That's, that's what this podcast is here for.
That's what we're here for, andwe will find help.
Yeah Well, we want to talkabout the second thing here I'm
going to get a drink.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Gossip, that's the other thing.
Yeah, well, we're going to talkabout the second thing here I'm
going to get a drink.
Gossip, that's the other thing.
Yeah, gossip.
Ooh, that is big, that is harsh, that is hurtful.
Everybody gossips.
Now, I know that's a blanketstatement, brother Sean, I get
it.
Maybe I shouldn't say everybody.

(34:07):
A lot of people gossip, and somepeople gossip and they don't
even realize that they'regossiping.
Some people are in the churchand they're just chit-chatting
away and all of a suddensomeone's name comes up.
Well, did you hear what theydid?
Did you hear what they said?
And you go off about your dayand then you realize I shouldn't
have said that, I should nothave said that, I should not

(34:28):
have been susceptible to that.
Gossip is speaking negativelyabout others, usually in a
harmful way, and often withoutknowing the full story.
But there are root causes ofwithout knowing the full story,
but there are also some some keyor root causes of what gossip

(34:52):
actually is.
I've said it before, we'll sayit again.
If you've listened to thispodcast, you're probably tired
of hearing me say it.
If your friends talk to youabout their best friends,
they're also talking to theirbest friends about you.
They're also talking to theirbest friends about you.
If you are talking to yourfriends about your best friend,

(35:15):
you need to stop.
But there are root causes of whywe have gossip.
One of the biggest root causesis a judgmental attitude.
Now I need you to understandsomething here.
We misuse Matthew 7 and 1.
I get it Judge, not that, lestyou be judged.
That's the part that we use,but the Bible never asks us to

(35:42):
have a condemning or judgmentalattitude.
And what happens when we havethat attitude is that we are
very, very quick to talk aboutothers in person and on Facebook
.
Facebook is also a gossipmachine.
Facebook is also a place whereyou can spread lies or say
things that you don't know thefull truth to.
By the way, because of ourjudgmental attitudes, because of

(36:08):
pride, because we lack.
Oh man, there is a, there is agroup.
Hopefully they'll share thisvideo so that more people can
see it here in Sepulveda,Oklahoma.
That is the Sepulveda communitypage.
We call it the gossip pagebecause every two seconds, every

(36:29):
two seconds, it's.
Did you see what that man puton his dog?
He was wearing a blue shirt.
Did you see that person parkincorrectly?
How dumb are they?
This person cutting me offwhile on the road all the while
you're probably dressing yourpet up and stupid things.
You're probably cutting peopleoff on the road.

(36:50):
You're probably you're probablytexting and driving.
You know all of those things.
There is a there is always thatelement of gossip that I think
many believers have and, yes,it's something that we need to
cultivate and get, get better atnot doing, and we need to fix
those problems.
Obviously, I'm never going totake that away, but at the same
time, it comes from a root cause.

(37:14):
It comes from a root sin.
Yes, again, we're talking aboutfruit and root Fruit is gossip,
but the root is pride.
The root is I'm better than you.
The root is envy or jealousy.
The root is I don't love asmuch as I should.
The root is I have a judgmentalattitude.
The root is I don't love asmuch as I should.
The root is I have a judgmentalattitude.
The root is, again, I lackself-control.

(37:36):
I don't know how to keep mymouth shut.
You need to study to be quiet.
You need to study and realizethat maybe I shouldn't say that.
Now I've gotten myself, I'vetrust me.
I've put my foot in my mouthmany a time.
I mean, I've said things topeople that the moment it left
my lips I was like I shouldn'thave said that and it wasn't

(38:06):
even.
It wasn't even necessarily whatI said, but it was who I said
it to.
Sometimes, too, lack ofself-control and having a heart
of pride having a heart thatlacks love.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
all those things in return will have a fruit that is
gossip Brother Sean, I need tobe careful with gossip.
You got any juicy gossip we canshare on this podcast.
Yeah, if somebody comes up toyou, because the new phrase now
is have you heard the tea orspill the tea?
As soon as I hear somebody it'smaking a comeback, I got you.
If somebody says dude, I gotthe tea, I'm like okay, please

(38:41):
shut up.
Unless it's about me, thenlet's talk about it, unless it's
sweet tea.
I know you don't like sweet tea, do you?
No, I don't, I do not.
We just lost half of ourfollowers.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
We just lost 80 followers just by you saying
that alone.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I don't drink sweet tea.
It's of the devil, oh mygoodness.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
There goes the other 20.
Yeah, there goes the other 20.
All 100 people left, all at thesame time.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, that's something.
That gossip is something that Ihave seen firsthand, a lot of I
have dealt with and I have seenhow it can destroy.
Yeah, you know it starts hereand then it gets over there and
then by the time and that's oneof the big problems with gossip

(39:28):
in my eyes yeah, you know notthe root, but you know by the
time it gets around to thatperson it's so big, it's so
exaggerated and even if it wastrue when it started, by the
time it gets around, nobodyknows what's going on.
Nobody knows and it's just onegiant mess.

(39:48):
Yeah, it always turns into amess.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, it always twists.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, it gets twisted up and spun around, but that
you know again, because we don'tlike this person or because we
just want to talk.
I know some people that arehorrible gossipers.
Yeah, and it's just becausethey like to talk.
They run out of things to talkabout, so they will literally go

(40:18):
find somebody or something elseto talk about.
It's still gossip.
Yeah, I'm not hating on thesepeople, it's just the facts.
Yeah, and sometimes the factsneed to be.
You need to shut up about thefacts too.
I'll say that, yeah, if it'snot your place, if it's not for

(40:38):
you to be dealing with and youwant to keep talking about it, I
don't care how true it is.
Sometimes we need to be quieton those as well.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, gossip stops when it hits a wise person's
ears is one of my favoritequotes.
And, by the way, if you've ever, if you've never seen Larry Boy
and the rumor weed, you need togo watch.
That's one of the greatestVeggieTale movies of all time.
We got that, like last week.
You can overcome that,obviously.

(41:07):
You know you can.
You can examine your heart,guard your words.
That's so important.
It's important to know when youshould be quiet.
It's important to know what youshould say and what time you
should say it.
It's important to practice thatself-control.
And then it's important toreplace, or aim to replace, that
gossip with encouragement.

(41:28):
You know your lips.
They can be like a hammer.
They can build up or they cantear down.
You can either build someone upand try your best to encourage
and I fail at this, trust me.
I fail at this all the time.
I don't feel like I use mywords correctly.
Sometimes it's certainly astruggle, but little by little,

(41:57):
if I try to replace those withencouragement, if I try to
follow the principles of Matthew18 and 15, where it says if
your brother or sister sins, goand point out their fault, just
between the two of you.
Oh man, that is hard for someof us to take.
Well, they did this against meand I'm going to tell everyone

(42:18):
and their mother about it.
No, that's not the right way togo about it.
Either, if someone has wrongedyou or you feel concerns about
someone, the biblical approachis to go directly to that person
in love, not talk about them toothers, and focus on unity,
focus on peace.
We talked about the fruit,which is there's a lot more
scriptures.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I just went and looked them up.
There's a lot more scriptureson lips and the mouth than I
even realized.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, there's tons of them.
There's tons of instruction forhow you should speak, how you
shouldn't speak.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I just real quick Googled Bible verses about
guarding the lips and obviouslythis isn't KJV, so KJV only.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
You are the sweet tea in now this you are destroying.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Proverbs 13 and 3,.
Whoever guards his mouthpreserves his life.
He who opens wide his lipscomes to ruin.
Proverbs 12 and 3,.
He who guards his lips guardshis life, yeah, but he who
speaks rashly will come to ruin.
Proverbs 21, 23,.

(43:27):
Whoso keepeth his mouth andtongue keepeth his soul from
troubles, and there's a wholebunch more.
Oh yeah, death and life are inthe power of the tongue, and
those who love it will eat itsfruit.
Yeah, I didn't realize therewas that many of them, you guys
didn't realize that we were aChristian podcast.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
We had some scripture , did you?
We'll lay some.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'll try to get some kjv verses for next time.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, and I mean that that's the thing again talking
about.
If you're just joining ustalking about fruit versus the
root, um, you know there'sthere's internal issues, there's
internal struggles.
A lot of it is I have problemsmyself, but I think the right
thing is to tell everyone elseabout about their problems.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You got it.
Yeah, I think that's why wedeal with the fruit and not the
root of the problem.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's because waytoo often we know we have
something going on and this man.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
This isn't part of the notes, by the way.
Yeah, you're, you're going offscript.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I like it, it's true though, is we're worried that
somebody else may start diggingaround trying to get to the root
of our problem.
That we're we don't want todeal with this.
Let's just cover it up and helpthem cover their deal up and
move on.
Yeah, oh yeah, dude, have youthought it like?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
it's literally just kind of yeah, I think, I think,
yeah, I think for sure, I thinkthat's just true for everybody.
It's really easy to you know.
You hear it in children'schurch all the time.
It's like well, you point thefinger at someone, you've got
four fingers pointing back atyou.
Well, if you've got fivefingers pointing back at you,

(45:06):
we've got different problems.
But you point your finger atsomebody, you've got four other
fingers pointing back at you.
And the the meaning, themeaning of that was because we
always want to point at eachother's faults or say you're
doing wrong, or say they'redoing this.
And you know what's crazy aboutall of it.
I've had people gossip to meabout things.

(45:28):
Let me rephrase that I havealso gossiped to people about
things.
Let me rephrase that I havealso gossiped to people about
things that I was dealing with.
I've said well, did you seewhat they did?
You hear what they said?
Did you hear what they werewatching?
Did you hear what they werestruggling with?
All the while I'm dealing withit myself.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
You're back on watching the same show on
Netflix.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, so it's like.
Yeah, so it's like.
I do think that there's.
I mean, this goes true for alot of things, but there's
different elements of truth tothat that.
Most of the time, when we havethose fruits of sin, when we
gossip we're going to talk aboutanother one here in a moment,
but that's going to tie intothis as well but specifically at

(46:12):
this point, when we gossip, alot of that is just because we
haven't dealt with thingsinternally in ourselves and we
want to reflect that onto others.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Get the spotlight off of us.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, and the third thing you know I'm sticking with
the letter G.
I did not mean to do this, itis just the preacher in me,
brother Sean.
Okay, I'm just super spiritualfor this episode.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Did you go to Bible school?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I did go to Bible school, by the way you did,
that's right.
But we talked about beinggluttonous and gossip, and then
the other thing is we do is thatties into the gossip is we'd
like to hold grudges, so grudges.
It violates God's commandmentto forgive, it harms our
relationship and it does fosterbitterness.

(46:58):
It reflects a lack of grace anda lack of mercy.
But there are consequences toholding a grudge, such as
spiritual bondage, such aspreventing us from having peace
and joy, such as spiritualbondage, such as preventing us
from having peace and joy,causing us to lack trust in
God's justice and God'sforgiveness, and all of those

(47:19):
things.
But there are deeper issues thanI'm just holding a grudge.
It actually comes from a heartor a root of sin, called the sin
of unforgiveness.
Matthew 6 and 14, 15 says forif you forgive other people when
they sin against you, yourheavenly father will also
forgive you, but if you do notforgive others their sins, your
father will not forgive yoursins.

(47:42):
The reason most of you holdgrudges, listen, the reason most
of you do not oh, sean, I justexercised.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
You're like Preacher Rich is coming on now.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I just actually just exercised the exact thing I said
earlier when I said you need tolearn to be quiet, because I
just shut myself up.
I'm not going to say what I wasgoing to.
Just say though I did think it,so God forgive me for that.
Just say though I did think it.
So God forgive me for that.
But if you are dealing with amovement that you are bitter
towards, you need forgiveness.

(48:16):
If you are holding a grudgeagainst a group of people or a
specific person I've had ithappen to me before.
Don't get me wrong.
I know people have done mewrong.
I know people have hurt me.
I know I've struggled beingtheir friend or struggled
wanting to go listen to thempreach anymore, or struggled

(48:37):
wanting to see whatever they'vegot going on on Facebook.
But my heart is unforgiving.
I need to fix that.
I need to forgive.
That does not mean I trust.
That doesn't mean I become bestfriends with them.
That doesn't mean I listen toanother sermon of theirs ever
again.
That's not what that means.
That doesn't mean I involvemyself in their movement, though

(49:00):
I think sometimes we could andbe helpful.
If my heart is not forgiving,then I'm failing as a Christian
and I'm holding a grudge becauseof that unforgiveness.
There is self-righteousness thatis involved with grudges.
There is bitterness.
I spoke about it.
Bible says in Ephesians 4.31,.

(49:20):
It says Get rid of allbitterness, rage and anger,
brawling and slander, along withevery form of malice.
Matthew 6.14-15 says For if youdo not forgive other people
when they sin against you ofmalice.
Matthew 6, 14-15 says I alreadyread this one, I'll read it
again For if you forgive otherpeople when they sin against you
, your Heavenly Father willforgive you, but if you don't,
god won't.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Grudges have ruined probably more relationships.
Yeah, not probably Grudges haveruined more relationships than
we realize, right, I know ofrelationships, friendships,
marriages, whatever type ofrelationship you want to put in

(50:04):
there but I know of instancesthat were destroyed because of
this, were destroyed because ofthis, and the sad thing about it
is that when they got to theend or you could ask them
several years later, anythinglike that what caused that?
Mm-hmm, most of the time theycannot tell you.

(50:28):
Right, it was somethinghappened and it upset me.
Yeah, well, because thatsomething happened, it caused
them to hold on to it.
So then, the next timesomething happened, it was so
easy for them just to grab thatand throw it in their basket too
.
And well, since they're mad atme, then well, I might.

(50:51):
And then I'm gonna start pilingeverything, yeah, and then
you're 10 years, 20 years, 30years down the road.
Why don't you communicate as amarried couple, right, right, oh
, we just don't get along.
And I I've heard stuff likethis and and it hurts me to hear

(51:12):
this kind of stuff we juststayed together for the kids.
That's not healthy, and they'lladmit it's not healthy.
But then you try to deal with it, find out what's the problem?
Where's the root at?
What can we do to fix this?
They have no idea, right,because it's built and it's

(51:37):
built off of we don't know what,but some grudge started so long
ago and it's gotten to thatroot system took place and it is
splintered and went this wayand I looked that up when a tree
is established, and they sayusually takes about two to three

(51:59):
years.
So when a tree is established,they say that the root system is
three times that in everydirection, is three times that
in every direction.
So say, a tree in three yearsis established and it's 20 foot
tall, that means it's 60 foot,it spans or it reaches 60 foot

(52:23):
in every direction.
Yeah, so you think of some ofthese things that, like these
marriages that just keep goingand they're they're so far out
there in left field they have noidea it's.
They couldn't get back to thestump if they had to, right and

(52:46):
it's.
It's so sad to see stuff likethat, but it starts with these
little things that we often failto take care of.
And me and my wife God help usI won't say we, I struggle with
grudges.
Something happens and I don'twant to talk about it, just let

(53:10):
me go cool off.
Well, at this point it's timefor dinner, so just let's eat.
And then, and I've, I've beentrying to work on it because I
don't want to see myself A yeardown the road and get mad at my
wife over something ridiculous.
But I can't tell you why itmade me mad.
Yeah, because she saidsomething a year ago that upset

(53:35):
me, so I'm just going to hold onto it forever, right, I'm
getting 5, 10 feet, 20 feet, 30feet.
I'm just causing myself to movefarther and farther away from
here, right From her, and Godhelp us not to do that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, and we hold on to those little things.
I mean, I've seen people beforethey just rub me the wrong way
and it was like why did they rubme the wrong way?
That doesn't make any sense.
And you're like trying to thinkand you're looking back and
it's like that was so sillyanyway.
Why did I get upset at that?
It did I get upset at that.

(54:14):
It was so goofy.
I mean, I know that there'sobviously deeper things and
there's there's worse things outthere that people face.
Um, I still think that youshould forgive and and at least
try to get past it.
But there's been many timeswhere it's like I don't even
know why I was upset and I wantto throw this in there too.
I know we're kind of gettingtowards the end here.
We've got one more.
I know we've gone a while.
We've got one more point tomake as well.
But I want to say this, as wekind of end this portion of it,

(54:39):
and that is stop holding on toother people's grudges too.
Other people's grudges are notyour grudges.
My friend doesn't likeso-and-so grudges.
My friend doesn't likeso-and-so Well, because I'm
allegiant to my friend.
I also don't like so-and-so or.
I also think the worst of them.
Sometimes your friends arewrong.
Sometimes your friends are madabout things that are foolish

(55:07):
and silly.
Don't let that cause you toalso hold grudges or cause you
to also gossip.
You need to recognize there issin in holding grudge.
You need to understand thepower of forgiveness.
God forgives you.
You can forgive others.
You need to remember God'sforgiveness toward you and
what's the most important of allthis, I believe, is you need to

(55:28):
pray for the person that hurtyou.
There's been people that havehurt me, rubbed me the wrong way
, said things about me, and I'vejust prayed for them daily and
God healed me of that because Irealized they were human too.
The Bible says in Matthew 5,verse 44, but I tell you, love
your enemies and pray for thosewho persecute you.
We kind of skip over that verse, don't we?

(55:50):
We skip over it all the time.
It's like pray for yourneighbor and pray for the church
member and pray for the otherChristian.
What about your enemies?
What about the people that youdespise?
Do you pray for those and prayfor those who hurt you as well,
and then pray for them in theright way?
Yeah, god, please, fire fromheaven, fall down on them?

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Don't pray for them in theright way?
Yeah God, please fire fromheaven, fall down.
Don't pray for that like that.
Pray that God will correct them.
Pray that God will help them.
Pray that God will forgive them.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And then let him.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And let him do the work.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Don't try to correct them and fix them for God.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Pray for them and then let God yes, and you can
find comfort in God's peaceinstead of holding grudges.
So we've talked about gossip,We've talked about grudges,
We've talked about gluttony andI've got the fourth G here.
The final one, as we begin toclose our descent, begin to
close is the sin of notspreading the gospel.

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That is one of the mostdifficult ones.
Again, I think we've donepodcasts on this but it is a
biblical command to spread thegospel, to shine the light of
Christ in all unbelievers.
Bible tells us go and makedisciples.

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It says preach the gospel.
It says be a witness to me, bea witness of me and for me.
But the root cause is notevangelizing.
The root cause is because youlack compassion and love for
others.
The root cause is becauseyou're selfish and you want to
keep all this to yourself.

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The root cause is becauseyou're spiritually complacent.
You have not grown, you havenot studied, you have not been
prepared.
Study to show thyself approvedis not study to show thyself a
really good sermon on a Sundaymorning.
Study to show thyself approvedis.
If I'm facing someone who isstruggling, who has different

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viewpoints of whatever it is, Ineed to know the Bible to be
able to back up what I believeand to spread the gospel
effectively, but we don't dothat.
Spreading the gospel is a sin,but it comes from the root cause
of I don't love or havecompassion, I'm selfish and I'm
spiritually complacent.
So we need to recognize BrotherSean, did you have something to

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add to that?
We need to recognize theimportance of spreading the
gospel.
God commands us to spread thegospel, not just so we can have
a feather in our cap, but sothat the loss can be found.
We need to develop a heart forthe loss.
Now, I've heard this prayer manytimes, prayed in Bible colleges

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, prayed in the church.
We need to have a heart for theloss.
We need to have a heart for theloss, and it is true.
We don't need to just say it,though.
We need to pray it and seek itand ask God to help us to have
the same compassion that Christhad.
We say that we're Christ-like,but how are you Christ-like?
What makes you Christ-like?

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Does not saying curse wordsmake you Christ-like, Probably.
Does going to church make youChrist-like?
Yes, Does preaching make youChrist-like?
Yes, but is that all I am to beChrist-like?
Is that it?

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Or am I to love my neighbor asmyself?
Am I to feed the hungry andclothe the naked?
Am I to visit the widow andvisit the poor and help the
addicted?
How did Jesus Christ actoutside of the four walls of a
church?
I need to develop that sameheart for the loss that Jesus

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Christ had.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I know it doesn't record every minute of Christ's
life, and I understand that.
But what has intrigued me is,if you go back and read you know
, just go back and read throughthe Gospels you see Christ
walking down the street, andthis is something that we miss a

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lot of times.
He's walking down the streetand he looks up in a tree and
says, zacchaeus, let's go havedinner.
And he witnesses to him.
Yeah, or there's men in agraveyard that come running to
him, right, full of devils, orhe's at the well.

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The Bible says that he.
But right before that he sayssomething to the effect of I
must needs go through Samaria,and then he meets the woman at
the well.
Time and time and time again,christ is witnessing, doing

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miracles, doing all these things, and most of it is outside of
the church.
He was just walking down thestreet and then he got to talk
to Zacchaeus.
Yeah, when I'm pumping gas andI'm not saying it's, I know it's

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not for everybody, but I thinkwe do need to be bolder in our
faith, absolutely, if I'mpumping gas and I can see you
standing on the other side, I'mgoing to try to just say it's a
great day.
God bless this with, isn't it?
Yeah, because what are yougoing to say?
No, it's a horrible day.
Hey, come to church.
You're going to have to kind ofadmit it's a pretty good day,

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which means that you're alsogoing to have to admit that God
made it for us.
Yeah, yeah, right, but you knowthese little things we can do
to win.
Some of it can be so small,like that.
You know, passing out tractsand having services and all
those things.
But we need to be bold in thoseopportunities.

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But realize that a lot of timeswe want to be a Christian in
the church, which is good andit's commendable.
But when you step outside of thechurch, you still need to be
the Christian, because the onesin the church are Christians as

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well.
They don't necessarily need meIf I'm not there on Wednesday
night and I'm not saying to skipchurch, but if I'm not there on
Wednesday night, it's notreally going to make or break a
lot of things, because there'sChristians in the house.
They're all mostly Christians,which is again a whole other

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podcast we should be having lostin the church as well.
But it's when you step outsideof the four walls is where you
meet the non-Christians, theunbelievers, and that's where we
need to be the witness.
I'm all for preaching, I'm allfor testimony service, I'm all
for encouraging the saints, butif we don't get outside of the

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four walls, we are failing.
I am failing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And we need God, obviously, like you said, to
give us a boldness to help usovercome the fear of it.
But it's just the unscheduledtime.
I mean, I can't tell you howmany times I've been able to
tell someone about Christ and Ididn't even really have
intention to go out and tellsomeone about Christ.
It was just making myselfavailable for God to use me, and
making myself available so thatwhen those moments and

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opportunities arose, I wouldtake action and I would, you
know whatever, and I wouldn't beafraid to say I don't know.
Like there'd be questions askedthat I'm like I'm not really
sure and, like you said, yeah,being prepared, but at the same
time it's like, hey, let me getback with you, I'll find out.
You know, that's a goodquestion.
I've had people ask me some ofthe craziest questions, but you

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can find answers in His Word.
So there is a boldness thatneeds to come from that to
overcome fear and self-doubt,and sometimes we just need to
build relationships withnonbelievers.
Now we've got a whole list ofthings we could talk about using
your testimony, living out thegospel, embracing the Great

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Commission, getting equippedwith Scripture.
Build relationships withnon-believers.
I'm not telling you to go partywith them.
I'm not telling you to go dothings that they do, but I am
telling you that, in order toeffectively reach someone for
Christ, get off of your highhorse, stop thinking that your
church is the only one that'sgoing to make heaven, and build

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relationships with thoseindividuals in a way that, when
the time comes that they needhelp, that they can find help
you mentioned living out thegospel and I was reminded of
something that happened to meyears ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
We were playing basketball at a park and some
guys I mean there was, there wasprobably 20 of us there.
I mean there was a bunch ofpeople.
There was a few of us that wereChristians.
It was there.
Most of them, I mean 90, 95% ofthem at least, were

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non-Christians, but they wereall guys that I knew.
I've played with them quite abit because most of us
frequented this park.
But I had one guy specificallycome.
I was sitting on waiting forour you know our turn to come up
so we can hop in and play agame.
Some guy came over to me andsaid hey, let me talk at you for

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a second.
I'm like, yeah, sure, what's up?
And he said man, I can't figurethis out right now.
He said but there is somethingdifferent about you and I was
like, yeah, what's that?
And I believe in modesty, buthe didn't bring up that I was

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wearing pants.
He didn't bring up that I wasone of the only few guys out
there that still had my shirt.
Most guys were out thereplaying ball without their shirt
on.
It was in the middle of thesummer, gross.
He didn't bring that stuff up.
He said whenever the guys quitor their game is over, they go

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get a drink of alcohol.
Yeah, I've heard almost and hewould say I've heard almost
every guy in there get mad andcuss somebody out.
Tonight, not just since westarted, but tonight there was a
couple fights that broke out.
He's like all these things arehappening.

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And he said you're just chill.
He said I haven't heard youcuss, you haven't got involved
in any of the fights.
He said there's weed in thatcar over there.
Everybody knows it.
You haven't went over to thatcar yet.
What is going on with you, man?

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He's like there is somethingand that gave me the opportunity
to present the gospel to them.
And that's one of those thingsthat living out the gospel, you
were just playing basketball, Iwas playing basketball, I was
living my life.
It was one of those unscheduledopportunities, but I was living

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the best I could as a Christian.
And again, I believe in modesty.
But it had nothing to do withthe pants.
If it would have, he'd havesaid something about it.
Yeah, I believe it, yeah.
But he said, bro, you're soclean, you're so respectful, you
don't do all these crazy things.
I'm like, yeah, let me tell youa little bit about Jesus, right

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Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Live out your faith, yeah, Jesus Right, Exactly.
Live out your faith, yeah, andyou know you could.
Obviously, like you said,there's unscheduled times, but
you can also join outreachgroups.
I mean, if you're not sure howto do whatever you know, you can
message us, we can help you, wecan plug you into places We've
have resources.
But find an outreach group,find a group that you know is is

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Christian based, that desiresto help others for Christ, and
not just help others for afeather in their cap, but help
others because they genuinelyhave a desire to see the lost
saved.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Even if you don't completely agree with them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, yep, that's a good one too, even if you don't
completely agree with them.
The highest.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I love this, I love this fact, I would say.
I mean, we're anti-abortion andI'll say that 100%.
Most Christians I pray, allChristians are yeah, should be,
all Should be.
There is a certain denominationin church that has almost

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single-handedly funded theoverturning of Roe v Wade.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
The Pentecostals.
Oh, I'm getting into a heap oftrouble.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I am anti-abortion?
Yeah, when I heard this fact,it blew me away.
But the Catholic Church almostsingle-handedly defunded Roe v
Wade.
They dumped millions of dollarsand resources into this because

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they were that firm against it.
Yeah, do I agree with Catholics?
No, most of what they have, inmy opinion, is a little messed
up.
They've got some stuff.
They have stuff I don't agreewith.

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But you want to talk aboutanti-abortion?
You cannot have thatconversation without the
Catholic Church.
Right, and it's kind of weirdto say this right now.
But I'm going to say thank Godfor the Catholic Church.
Yeah, I agree, or we wouldstill be fighting this battle.
Yeah, even if you don't agreewith them, find somebody, be a

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light.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, yeah, join a group.
I mean, do something.
If it's biblical, if it'sbiblical outreach, then you
should partake and learn.
I mean, you're like wonderingwhat to do.
You don't have boldness.
The best thing you do issurround yourself with people
that know what they're doing atleast know most of what they're
doing and have that boldness.

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And I think that that willdevelop over time.
And so, in conclusion to thisepisode, there are so many more
things we can go over.
There are so many more inwardversus outward sins that we
could discuss and cover.
But the final thoughts of thisis this is that sin is not just
about external actions, but it'sabout the heart and the mind.

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Why am I doing what I'm doing?
Get to the root of it.
Real change only comes when wedeal with the root of sin, not
just the fruit.
And by addressing those innersins, by asking God to forgive
us, but also cultivating ourhearts and our minds to avoid
those thoughts or to avoid thosefeelings, I believe we can also

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Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
God bless.