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Sam Sethi (00:46):
This week's first kickoff story is about Spotify.
It's about word of mouth.
Now, one of the things that wealways say with podcasting is
how do you get discovery of apodcast?
You know, is it through SEO?
Is it through word of mouth?
Is it through other mechanisms?
Spotify have launched a directmessaging feature.

(01:08):
James, Tell me more about it.

Yeah, so you'll be able to send messages to each
other, including music, podcastand audiobook recommendations,
without leaving the app.
So brilliant, spotify turnsinto another messaging app that
you've got to check Messages isrolling out in quotes selected
markets, according to Spotify'spress release.
Who knows what selected marketsmeans there, but it'll be

(01:32):
available for people who areaged over the age of 16, which
is, you know, which is certainlya helpful thing.
But, yeah, that's going to beinteresting.
Spotify very much promoting thesocial side of its app and that
will, you know, obviously be ofinterest to those people who
like the social side of thesethings.

Sam Sethi (01:54):
Look, they've had a social element they used to have
and they still have the abilityto integrate with Facebook.
In the day, that was the thingthat they did, if you remember.
I mean, spotify came out ofbeing a Facebook app originally,
yeah, and then they had oh,your friend is playing this
Connect to your social graph onFacebook and that worked really

(02:16):
well.
Nobody really plays with it now, but it still exists there
within the UI.
And the one thing I thought wasinteresting these are DM
messages, not comments.
I think one of the things withcomments is the problem that
most social websites have is howdo you police those comments
right?
So if somebody sends yousomething in the DM, it's less

(02:39):
intrusive than when it's apublic comment, I think I think
that's probably why they'redoing it.

Yeah, I think so , although I mean it's a public
comment, I think I think that'sprobably why they're doing it.
Yeah, I think so, although Imean it's interesting.
Youtube music, of course, hascomments for everything.
So if you go into, if you gointo songs, for example, then
you can actually see what songs,you know what, what comments
people have left for each andevery song, which is, you know,
always an interesting thing.
Never quite know quite whatyou're going to see there.
Normally it's first of peoplefinding these comments and

(03:09):
leaving stuff.
Oh, brilliant, that's what youneed.
Just wondering if you canactually leave comments for
podcasts, but I'm assuming thatyou can do, I'm assuming that
that's the usual, you know theusual way that these things work
.
Let's have a quick peek,because I've moved back to
youtube music this week, so it'salways nice to you know see

(03:29):
what is there.
Is there, are there anycomments?
Well, I can't see any commentson the web version quite yet, so
perhaps there aren't anycomments there, but there
certainly were comments forsongs, I noticed.
So, yeah, so who knows?

Sam Sethi (03:46):
daniel eck was very excited about this feature
because he says he likes sharing.
It takes him back to the dayswhen he did cassette mixes.
Yeah, so you know the wholeidea of sharing music.
I think it is more of a musicthing.
We'll see how many people sharepodcasts and audiobooks, but
yeah, it is more of a musicthing.
Now, moving on, spotifyreleased data on Gen Z's use of

(04:08):
podcasts on the platform.
What did they have to say?

They did.
Yeah, so they released quite alot, because of course, it's
back to school for quite a lotof the planets, not here in
Australia, but back to school inthe Northern Hemisphere, which
for some reason starts inSeptember who knows why we start
in January.
That makes much more sense tome.
Anyway, what you see for youngschool age people is you see

(04:32):
podcasts going up significantlyat breakfast time, so up by, you
know, about 20%.
The same goes for music as well, as people you know get into
the routine of being, you know,going to school and all of that.
There was quite an interestingbit of data, which is around the
type of podcasts that peopleare having a listen to, and I

(04:56):
think there was a significantincrease in the amount of
podcasts that people werelistening to in things like
science and business andtechnology.
So you know, clearly that sortof you know podcasts are being
used for education.
Good Lord, heaven help us.
So that's a thing, but yeah, soyou know just a bunch of

(05:18):
information, of course, spotifytelling us that Gen Z students
are both streaming podcasts butalso streaming audiobooks for
school and for fun, because ofcourse they are, aren't they?
But yeah, the one thing that Ithought was a little bit weird
in this was in the small print,sam, where the whole point about
this entire press release is totalk about how brands can

(05:41):
connect with listeners throughSpotify advertising.
That was the whole point ofdoing this, so that you can
actually reach people of schoolage and be able to advertise to
them.
But then it says where the datacomes from, and the data came
from student premium users onSpotify, which, of course, are
the very people that don't hearthe ads.
So the actual data is comingfrom the people who don't hear

(06:03):
the ads, but would you like toadvertise to these people anyway
?

Sam Sethi (06:07):
Very confusing in the next few months, and one of the
features that did stand out tome and given your radio

(06:28):
background as well was theirintegration with the DAX
marketplace for podcasters, andI think that was the one that I
found most interesting.

Yeah, I mean they're announcing a number of
different things selling yourown feed drops so much the same
as Libsyn's pod role.
You'll be able to.
You'll be able to, you know,use that to earn yourself some
money.
If you would like to, forexample, sell a feed drop of a
different show in your feed,then you now can if you want to.

(06:55):
And then they've, as you say,integrated with DAX is Global's
advertising platform.
Dax has lots of advertising inthere, and now you'll be able to
earn money through yourpodcasts.
What I thought was interestingis actually, if you read the
fine print, it's going to be alittle bit different.

(07:17):
If you're a small podcaster andyou're not really earning an
awful lot of money and you'renot really getting an awful lot
of people, then you will havedifferent access to the
advertising than if you are alarger podcast.
It will sort of automaticallyscale you over to more of the
more bespoke advertising.
So they seem to have thoughtquite carefully about how they

(07:40):
were going to offer it.
But that I thought wasinteresting.
So that's coming in December.
I actually thought that the mostinteresting thing and the one
that I was there thinking thisis the obvious thing the beta
opens the 4th of October.
It's Captivate Studio, wherethey are essentially replacing
Riverside or Clean Feed or anyof those tools and instead

(08:04):
allowing you to record and editin Captivate itself.
So no going off to a thirdparty.
Probably some of that wasbecause, you know, obviously
Riverside has been sellingitself as a podcast host, even
if Stephen wasn't going to talkabout it last week, so I thought
that that was reallyinteresting, that actually this

(08:24):
is the.
I think this is the secondpodcast host.
Libsyn tried it and thenstopped it relatively quickly,
but I think that this is thesecond podcast host that's
actually built in remoterecording into their tool set
and that makes a whole bunch ofsense from my point of view.
I thought.

Sam Sethi (08:43):
I think there's two parts or two questions I have in
my mind.
I wonder what the pricing willbe, because that's going to be
interesting, and secondly, havethey built this from scratch?
Was this a third-party licenseddeal that they've taken on?

I believe that I mean, there are a couple of
open source tools out thereJitsi is one of them and so they
could be using that open sourcetools out there.
Jitsi is one of them, and sothey could be using that open
source thing.
But I would guess, knowing theteam at Captivate relatively
well, because I was an advisorto them until they were bought
by Global, I would guess thatthey will be probably have built

(09:17):
most of this for themselves.
It's actually, whisper it, nottoo difficult now to build a
remote recording tool.

Sam Sethi (09:25):
The difficulty is actually Hang on, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
How much money has Riversideraised?
Oh, I know, don't say it's easyto do.

No, it is much easier to do now with all of the
audio tools that are built intoa typical browser, much, much
easier than it was three, fouryears ago.
Riverside, of course, haveearned themselves a load of
money because Riverside is farmore than just a recorder and an
editing tool.

(09:55):
It does a bunch of other thingsin there as well, but the
remote recording stuff by itselfisn't particularly complicated.
The complicated bit is actuallymaking sure that it works
really well, and that's you know, and that's one of the issues
there.
What I don't necessarily seehere is video.
So it says that CaptivateStudio will allow you to record

(10:17):
up to seven participants withincredible quality and stability
before you can quickly andseamlessly turn that file into a
complete podcast episode.
No mention of the word videothere.
So my suspicion is it's allgoing to be audio and it's all
just going to make life easierand simpler for audio editors,
but if you want to use video,then you'll carry on using a
third party tool.

Sam Sethi (10:37):
I think, with the guest booking system that they
have.
I think this could be quiteinteresting because, again, in a
podcaster's workflow, you know,I, I find my guest.
I then, you know, send him alink.
Now that link's probably goingto go to captivate the studio,
click bang done.
I wonder what the editingcapability will be, you know,
umming in, erring in anddescript elements yeah, yeah,

(11:00):
yeah that'll be interesting tosee what they do there, or is it
a?
download audio into another app.
You know we'll see.
Yeah, Maybe Mr Usquith needs tocome on the show soon.

Maybe at some point we should get Mark to talk
broad Yorkshire at us BroadYorkshire and we'll see if we
can understand any of it.

Sam Sethi (11:20):
Moving on, james and YouTube users listen Maybe
they've just seen your sticker,you know.
Listen to that.
They watch more than half oftheir podcasts.

But that essentially means that pretty
well 50% listen to more thanhalf of their podcasts.
And then you have a look atSpotify and there's a large
chunk of Spotify as wellSpotify's users who are watching
podcasts.
Now, almost a third of peoplethere say that they watch
podcasts on the platform morethan listen.
I guess you know Tom's pointhere was if your show doesn't

(12:15):
work in audio only then you'remaking a mistake.
So, if I can quote from mysticker, something for your ears
when your eyes are busy, that'skind of important.
So yeah, so I think I thinkthat it was interesting seeing
the actual data there and verymuch seeing that, yes, youtube
has podcasts, but that doesn'tnecessarily mean that people are

(12:37):
just sitting there watchingthem.
They're probably enjoyingpodcasts while they do other
things as well.
So, yeah, so there's a webinarcoming up in a couple of weeks
time, I believe and you canlearn more about that.

Sam Sethi (12:48):
Now just quickly.
Has anything changed on PodNews Daily?

Well, for the last week quietly, because I
have a fancy roadcaster now,which is why I may be sounding
slightly different in your earsI have been now able to mix Pod
News Daily live, because I'vegot all of the buttons all
charged up so I can actually mixthe whole thing live, which is
quite nice, and that then meansthat I can produce the whole

(13:15):
thing in video form.
So actually for the last threeor four days I've been uploading
the video to Spotify, toYouTube and, of course, in the
alternate enclosure in the mainRSS feed.
John Spurlock has already beenpushing me into producing an HLS
version as well, and apparentlyit's not that difficult.
Just need some magic FFmpegunderstanding to be able to work

(13:39):
out how to do it.
So I will probably get on thecase on that when I have a spare
moment.
But yeah, so if you want towatch me reading a script in an
office sometimes it's light,sometimes it's dark outside, who
knows how that works Then youknow, go to a supporting app and
have a watch, yeah.

Sam Sethi (13:59):
Yeah, because you're one of the only podcasts that we
use on TrueFans to test against, where, in fact, pod News Daily
is such a great podcast to testmost things against, but it's
one of those.
You've got Opus, you've got AAC, you've got MP3, you've got
video right.
So this HLS will be reallyinteresting, because what you'll

(14:20):
then end up doing, potentially,is removing those other formats
from the alternative enclosureand putting HLS 320, 720, let's
say, and then, in effect,automatically, based on the
bandwidth of the user orlistener's device, it should
serve the correct version.

Well, maybe and I mean maybe that's how it'll
work or maybe I'll keep the bigchunky video file it's actually
a 720p video file, but maybeI'll keep that as well so that
I've got a downloadable videofile in there as well, and then
we'll.
That'll throw the cat amongstthe pigeons, but yeah, I mean,
you know, it's one of thereasons why I self-host the

(15:07):
daily podcast is exactly to dothis sort of thing and to play
around with stuff.
See if I understand it enoughto write about it.
You know to be learnt fromdoing all of this.
And if I can work out the easyway of here's a file now, make a
set of decent HLS streams outof it, then great.

(15:30):
You know, I'll go and learn howto do that and see how easy
stroke complicated that is toend up doing.

Sam Sethi (15:38):
Good, let us know.
We'll be happy to test with you.
Now.
Apple and TuneIn.
Now this is a really weird one.
I thought TuneIn died.
Basically I thought it had justgiven up the ghost because many
years ago, when we were tryingto get podcasts on to tune in
from river radio, they weren'taccepting any and I thought that
whole podcast group had closedand I thought tune in was on its

(16:01):
last legs.
But it seems that Apple wantsto make TuneIn a partner for
Apple Music.
Tell me more, James.

Yeah, this is really interesting.
So Apple has a bunch of radiostations.
I think it's got eight radiostations Never heard one.

Sam Sethi (16:16):
Yeah.

Yeah, they're not bad, and I think you know
the thing.
So I've been playing aroundwith Apple Music for the last
month and a half.
No-transcript them free throughthe Apple Music app, but you

(16:59):
have to work out how to do that.
But certainly that's been theonly place that you can have a
listen to them until now,because right now, the Apple
radio stations are now available24 hours a day, seven days a
week through the TuneIn app,which is now taking them.
Now, that's interesting.
Tunein actually still powers anawful lot of radio.

(17:21):
It powers radio that you listento on smart speakers both
Google, amazon and Apple.
It powers the radio that youlisten to in Apple Music, so you
can ask Apple Music, listen toBBC Radio 1, and you'll find a
stream in there.
But now, all of a sudden, appleis now putting their radio

(17:41):
stations into the TuneInplatform as well, so that if you
have the TuneIn app, you canlisten to Apple Music One, or
you can listen to the, to thechill radio station they've got,
or you can listen to, you know,all of the other weird and
wonderful stations, and so thatthat's.
That's quite an interestingthing.
I thought yeah.

Sam Sethi (17:58):
But one of the trends , I thought, because TuneIn was
an aggregator right of radiostations and that was why it was
a powerful app.
And then they added podcasting.
But most radio stations that Ilisten to now or know about are
building their own apps, wantingto own that relationship
directly and have other I don'tknow promos, events, features.

(18:22):
So it seems so odd for Apple todo this now, when the trend is
actually to take your stuff,well, you might leave it on
TuneIn, but you actually driveyour audience from the radio
show to your own app.

Yeah, I think there's a difference here in
that TuneIn.
You know, tunein is an app, ifyou like, listening to live
radio stations, and so Appleadding its live radio stations
there will just give more earsto that radio station.
Now they're commercial free, butthe point of Apple's radio
stations is to bring you in toApple Music and to get you to

(19:02):
buy an Apple device and then beable to have a listen to some of
the radio stations in there.
But on the other side, becauseTuneIn produces so many
integrations into so manydevices, whether that's your
Tesla car, whether that's yoursmart speaker, whatever it
happens to be I suspect thatthat actually means that.

(19:25):
You know that's.
The thing which Apple findsinteresting is the fact that
they can be on all of theseadditional platforms as well to
pull people into the main AppleMusic service.
So perhaps this is thebeginning of a bit of a
competition between Spotify, inparticular, and Apple Music,

(19:45):
because this is one thing thatApple has that they've spent a
lot of money on, and presumablythey're wanting to get some of
that money back with additionalpeople buying the Apple Music
service.

Sam Sethi (19:58):
So one of the secret sources, I think and we've said
it before for Spotify, Spotifyis they are everywhere.
They are on every device.
One of the things we have saidis that, you know, Apple aren't
stupid.
Well, they can be, because theyhaven't got an.
You know, they haven't built anAndroid native app.
They're not everywhere.
They are singularly on theirown platform.

(20:18):
So this seems to be theirgateway into being everywhere.
And I thought the Wall StreetJournal headline, which was
Apple makes music push in radioafter losing ground to Spotify.
So it's that loss of positionto Spotify that may have done
this.
You just talked about earlierusing YouTube music.

(20:39):
Again, you know, is that nowbiting into Apple as well?

I'm sure that YouTube music is biting into
Apple.
You know it's a good service,it does a good job and you know
both Apple Music and Spotify,you know, are threatened by
YouTube as well.
Obviously, youtube has accessto a ton of videos for music,
but I think the otherinteresting thing that YouTube

(21:06):
has access to is some quiteunofficial mixes and things that
you don't get in, some of themore curated experiences like
Spotify and certainly like AppleMusic as well.
But what Apple has is they'veobviously got the radio stations
that they run where you know, Imean, some of the programming
on there is astonishing.

(21:26):
You know Elton John will turnup and do an hour's set on a
radio station.
They've got Zane Lowe, who usedto be on Radio 1.
He does a lot of interviewswith a lot of stars.
So if you are really deeply,heavily into your music, then
Apple Music is probably theplace for you, actually over
something like Spotify.

(21:47):
So, you know, I think there'sdefinitely something going on
there.
But obviously and, by the way,the interesting thing about
Apple Music is that it exists onAndroid phones as well, so you
can download the Apple Music appon Android phones.
That seems to work perfectlyhappily, and in fact, for a

(22:08):
while, android phones hadcrossfade, whereas iOS didn't,
so you ended up having morefeatures, weirdly, on the
Android version than you did onthe iOS version Not anymore, but
that was certainly the case.
So, yeah, I mean it's a goodservice.
You know, I've been playingaround with it for the last few

(22:28):
months because I got, you know,three months for the price of
one, so I thought I would giveit a go.
But yeah, but you know, youtubeMusic does a whole lot of other
things as well, and it'sprobably the service that I like
the most.

Sam Sethi (22:40):
Now, just in relation to this, Apple are announcing
on September the 9th, an eventcalled All Dropping, which is
probably the new iPhones,probably the new iOS and macOS
will be released.
Yeah, and it says here a changeof icon for Apple Podcasts.
Is that the big podcastannouncement?
Then the change of icon.

Well, they won't be making a big announcement at
all, but of course, the newversion of iOS and macOS,
version 26, includes brand newicons for everything and the
Apple Podcasts icon.
It just looks a bit more glassyand a bit more fancy and modern,
and the only reason why Imentioned that in the newsletter
is that, for all of us, we willall need to update our Apple

(23:26):
Podcasts logos, because it willbe very obvious who has updated
them and who hasn't.
So that will be coming inprobably the week after
September, the 9th, if you seewhat I mean.
That's normally when the newversion of iOS and macOS is
dropped.
I'm running it now and it's iOSand macOS is dropped.

(23:48):
I'm running it now and it's nowfine, my goodness.
There was a point a couple ofweeks ago where I was really
regretting it on my MacBookbecause, my goodness, it was
filling up.
There was some bug in therethat was literally just filling
up all of the hard drive andthat was getting a little bit
hairy, but they've managed tofix that very, very quickly,
which is nice.

Sam Sethi (24:07):
Personally, I'm still running my iPhone 11 Pro Max
with iOS 26 on it and I won't beupgrading.
I mean, it'll be just anotherbigger battery, better camera
announcement.

Yeah, I mean, we don't know yet what the new
iPhones are going to look like.
I believe that they say thatthere won't be any folding
iPhones.
They say that there will be anew ultra thin iPhone design.
Wow, who cares about thinphones?
I care about phones that havebatteries that last forever, and

(24:43):
certainly the iPhone that Ihave, which I think is the.
Now, what would it be?
The 16 Pro?

Sam Sethi (24:50):
Is that what it is?

Yeah With AI intelligence on it or whatever
it had Correct, it's the latestPro thing.
Certainly, this phone has neverrun out of battery.
I mean, the battery in it isjust astonishing.
So yeah, I certainly don't wanta thin phone that has worse
battery.
Thanks very much.

Sam Sethi (25:13):
Yeah, I'm holding out for the foldable phone if it
ever comes.
But again you know if it's allgoing to be about.
Well, the last announcements,just to close out on this, the
last announcements that Applemade, all tended to be canned
demos that actually didn't holdtrue when the product released
and then they went oh no, no,that won't be available now

(25:35):
until March 2026.
It's like well, why did youdemo it then?

You know, Well, I think you know to be to be
fair to Apple, I think one ofthe things that they do is they
launch stuff when it's ready andthey aren't normally first with
anything.
They leave being first to otherpeople and watch what happens
there.
And I think, from that point ofview, that means that, for AI,

(26:01):
for example, clearly Google isdoing a lot of interesting
things with Gemini on the newPixel and everything else, but
Apple, I think, has been.
You know, they found AI alittle bit difficult and a
little bit complicated, andprobably rather more complicated
than they thought it was goingto be.

Sam Sethi (26:19):
But yeah, rumour is they're buying Perplexity.

Oh well, well, you know well, let's of view.
What is very clear with the newiOS iOS 26, is that every
single product on that on thephone certainly has been told
you must use AI in some way,shape or form.
So you can see the AI beingused in Apple Podcasts for the

(26:49):
dialogue boost that they havethere.
You can see AI being used inApple Music for the segues and
the auto mixes which areactually done.
You know relatively well about.
95% of them are really good and5% are awful so, but you can
also see AI being used ineverything from the texting app

(27:10):
to the phone app, to the notesapp to pretty well, everything
else.
That seems pretty clear now thatyou know there's been an edict
from the boss saying you have tobuild something using our AI
tools into your product and makesure that you do that prior to
the launch of iOS 16 or iOS 26.

(27:30):
So, yeah, I think you know thatmuch is pretty clear, but let's
wait and see what happens.
Of course, it means that youget liquid glass, which is a
very exciting thing.
No, not really, so your entirephone will look a bit different,
but it does mean for those ofus in podcasting that we will
need to update all of thoselittle buttons.
So as soon as Apple updatethose little buttons, you'll be

(27:51):
the first to know.

Sam Sethi (27:51):
if you read the pod news newsletter right I'm more
excited about facebook's newglasses, orion, which is the
first true augmented realityglasses, so that don't look like
vision pro, which sit aroundyour face like a big block.
This will be interesting.

This will be interesting well as as you have
written in in the uh, in thenotes, here you, you say that
the apple presentation is goingto be a snore fest.

Sam Sethi (28:19):
Glasses man really one day, james, you will be
walking into podcast movement orlondon podcast show with your
augmented reality glasses thatdon't look like you've just had
some slab on it, yeah I don'tthink I will anyway.
Yeah, well, we'll see we'll seenow in the jobs just related by

(28:43):
by chance.
Actually on pod news dailythere is a job, if you're
interested, for apple podcastpartnerships and editorial
manager, the uk and ireland yes,there is.

So this is you're not the boss but you're
reporting into the podcast lead,whoever that is in the UK.
But if you want to be theperson that talks to publishers
and creators in terms of Applepodcasts, then yeah, it's a
fixed term contract.
So I would guess I mean, I'monly guessing here, but I would

(29:16):
guess that that probably meansthat it will be covering for
maternity leave or somethinglike that.
But it's a good foot in throughthe door, certainly.
So you've got until Septemberthe 17th to apply.
There's more details.
Podnewsnet slash jobs.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Podcast events on the Pod News Weekly Review.

Yes, events Shall.
We have a look at some events,Sam.
Exciting events happening andsome events not happening.
So the AMBIs we've learnt thatthey will be in New York City in
February, which is exciting.
If you remember, we didn'tquite know last week because of
the changes in podcast movementevolutions, and now we know that
they will be in New York Cityin February.

(29:59):
So that's an exciting thing,yeah.

Sam Sethi (30:02):
but one thing, james.
Okay, so I saw that and it waslike February for the Ambees
March for podcast movements, sothey've now separated them from
the same event.

Yes, absolutely yeah.
So the ambis were always tiedinto evolutions and no longer so
.
That'll be interesting to seewhat they do separately, but we
do know it's going to be in NewYork City somewhere, so yeah.
So let's wait and find out whatthat means for all of us.
The Australian Podcast Awards,sam if you remember, as I'm sure

(30:36):
you do, the ceremony took placelast year in November.
This year, though, there's noAustralian Podcast Awards.
This year the event is shiftingto 2026, the final entry
deadline due in March, so myguess is May or June for the
ceremony next year.
That essentially means that theentire awards are taking six

(31:00):
months off, and there will be noawards for this year.
So there's a thing I feel forHaymarket, who are the company
that run it, because they don'tactually have anybody based here
in Australia at all, so it mustbe a really difficult thing for
them to manage.
Their closest staffers arebased in Singapore, so it must

(31:20):
be very hard for them to manage.
But, yes, no Australian PodcastAwards this year.
So this show will not bewinning any of those awards.
But speaking of winning awards,sam, what?
Tell me more?
Have we done something?
Many, many congratulations.
As you may have heard in theopening jingle, we are Tell me
more.
Have we done something?
Many, many congratulations?
As you may have heard in theopening jingle, we are an award
winner.
We are one of the winners ofthe 2025 Earworthy Podcast

(31:43):
Awards and delighted to see that.
Yes, we ended up winning thepodcast about a podcast category
, the narrowest category of all.
Yes, which was really good.
We beat Danny Brown.
It's always a good thing.
So many congratulations to you,because you know you're the
producer of this show andeverything else.

Sam Sethi (32:04):
Well, I think it's a joint effort.
I just really cut and paste thePod.
News Daily.

It's not really hard and it says the audio
weekly version of its superbdaily newsletter acts as a
barometer of where podcastingstands.
Excellent, so that's veryexciting.
Very pleased that we have wonan award finally.

Sam Sethi (32:25):
Well, you might have to increase your cabinet at home
, now you know, to go along withthose two webbies that you've
got.

Oh yes, yes, Did I mention that I've got two
webbies.

Sam Sethi (32:34):
You never mentioned it.
You're so subtle and got oh yes, yes, did I mention that I've
got two Webbys.

You never mentioned it, you're so subtle,
and the Ambys which, by the way,I still haven't actually
received the trophy.

Sam Sethi (32:40):
Oh yeah, of course you've got that one as well.

The trophy is still slowly making its way over
, but yeah, so that'll beexciting.
Thank you, Frank, for giving usthat.
We won't be able to win an Emmy, though.
Even if we turn into a videopodcast, we won't be able to win
an Emmy.
We're not eligible.
According to Variety, podcastsaren't eligible if it's a
straight video recording of theaudio podcast, Because what's

(33:06):
that?
A podcast and not a TV show,according to an Emmys
spokesperson.
Interesting because the GoldenGlobes have a new podcast award,
but the Emmys are not recogn.
Because the Golden Globes havea new podcast award, but the
Emmys are not recognising videopodcasts as being video stuff
that they're going to giveawards for.
So there's a thing.

Sam Sethi (33:22):
I wonder how long before BAFTA have a podcast
award.
We'll see.

Well, yes, that'll be interesting to see.
A couple of other things.
If you are in the UK the APA isfrom Audio UK You've got until
September the 17th to enter that, and if you are in Southern
California and SouthernCalifornia only, it turns out.
The Golden Mike Awards haveopened the awards programme to
independent podcast producersfor the first time.
I think I wrote from around theUS.

(33:48):
I'm not entirely convinced thatthat bit is true.
I think you maybe can only betaking part in those awards if
you're in Southern California,but anyway, I'm sure that you
can find out more details on thewebsite for that.
London, the London PodcastFestival, is back next month.
King's Place has a new wave oflive shows.

(34:09):
Tickets and full programmedetails are available on the
King's Place website, whichreminds me maybe there's
something.
I'm in London for a couple ofdays next month, so maybe there
is something when I am there.
That would be fun, wouldn't it?
Is there something there when Iam there?
There's?
An awful lot of shows are onthe 14th and I'm in London on

(34:31):
the 15th and the 16th.
I think on the 16th I'm goingto find a pub somewhere and just
tell people that I'm in a puband see if anybody comes to buy
me a beer.
That might be fun.
But yes, so there's a bunch ofshows from the London Podcast
Festival running between the 2ndof September and the 14th of

(34:54):
September All kinds of stuffthat you've heard of and the
14th of September, All kinds ofstuff that you've heard of and
stuff that you haven't.
So you can find moreinformation on their website.
Anything else exciting going on.

Sam Sethi (35:02):
No, no, nothing, no, that's it Nothing.

I should probably mention the Empowered
podcasting conference which istowards the end of this month in
Charlotte, radio Days Asia,which is happening in Jakarta in
Indonesia next week, which Iwill be there, and that includes
Podcast Day Asia Pod Summit inCalgary in Alberta, september
the 19th I will be there as welland Speakfest Night of the

(35:27):
Living Pod on October the 10thin Houston in Texas.
So if you want some of that,then podnewsnet slash events is
where to go.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
The Pod News Weekly Review with Buzzsprout.
Start podcasting, keeppodcasting.

So, sam, I've got some excellent news.
Pod News has a new goldsupporter, which I'm thrilled by
.
The very dapper Alex Sanfilippofrom Podmatch has come to help
us, so Podmatch automaticallymatches ideal podcast hosts and
guests.
It's quite clever, and thepoint of becoming a gold

(36:09):
supporter is that he can pay forPodnews to be made so that we
don't have to charge people,because that kind of makes sense
, doesn't it?
So if you would like to becomea supporter of the main pod news
newsletter, then please do.
Podnewsnet slash support iswhere to go for that.
But you had a quick chat withAlex Sanfilippo.
He was very excited.
He told me over email.

(36:31):
I've just been on the pod newsweekly Review with Sam.
He was very excited, and Ithink you started by asking him
what is Podmatch?

Yeah.
So Podmatch is a software wecreated just out of a need we
saw in the industry, which isbasically a way to connect
podcasts guests and hosts forinterviews, and I know that we
live in a world where there'splenty of people wanting to be a
guest and hosts have a lot ofoptions.
Right.
The idea is connecting theright podcast guest and the
right podcast host togetherfaster, while handling a lot of
the administrative functionsautomatically throughout it,

(37:02):
cause there's just a lot ofthings we do every single time.
So the whole idea wasconnecting the right people
faster and basically, for anyonewho's not heard of it, kind of
the easiest way to describe isit works kind of like a dating
app, but instead of Kennedy fordates, kennedy for podcast
interviews.
Granted, sam, I have beenmarried too long to be ever on a
dating app, but I'm told thatthey work very similar.

Sam Sethi (37:18):
Good answer.
Just in case the wife hearsthis interview, right?
Good answer, thank you.
Now talking of matching people,though.
So pod match.
How does it work?
Do I rock up, I register myselfand then other people say, yes,
I'd like to interview you?
Or how do I, as a creator, findpeople?
So tell me how the wholeprocess works.

Yeah, sure, we have two models.
We have the individual side andwe have the agency model as
well.
I'll skip the agency modeltoday, but basically I will just
briefly mention if you're abooking agent, whether you're
booking people on podcast orbooking guests on podcast.
Either way, we have an agencymodel that's good for people.
But the individual side isreally the core of what we do.
And, yes, if you're a host, youwould just go to the website
and you'd start the signupprocess and it'll walk you

(37:59):
through all the different thingsthat we need basically for our
system the algorithm, the AI todo really good matching and same
on the guest side.
Someone's like well, maybe Ihave a podcast, but I also want
to be a guest.
Same thing, and you can haveone login with both those sides
of the account.
But the whole thing is rightwhen you go to the website.
We want to be very intuitive.
So, from start to finish.
It kind of holds your hand alittle bit and the idea is, when
you're done building out yourprofile, yes, the matching will

(38:19):
automatically start and you canmessage in the platform, you can
schedule in the platform.
Like, you never have toexchange an email if you don't
want to and that's kind of thebeauty of stream podcast guest
or as a podcast host or as both.
But regardless, you've gotthese beautiful high ranking on
search engines on AIs nowprofile that you can use as a

(38:41):
media one sheet for your show orfor you as an individual.
And that's one of the thingsthat we don't really talk about
as a benefit on pod match.
But the reality is that's beengood for a lot of people Because
, once again, questions it wouldusually come in like hey, alex,
I need pictures of you for thisinterview Great, my Podmatch
profile has, where you canliterally download approved
pictures.
Oh, you want my bio?
Great, it's on my profile.
You want questions?
I'm ready to be asked.
It's there and same on the flipside for my show.

(39:03):
You want to understand theaudience, the flow, who I'm
looking for?
It's all listed in that oneplace and that's all mentioned
and asked during the signupprocess of Podmatch.

Sam Sethi (39:12):
Okay, and does this give me good SEO as well?
Can I use my profile forsomething that people can find
me on outside of Podmatch with alink back to the profile?

Yes, absolutely , and every profile doubles as
an affiliate link.
So somebody goes to yourprofile and they see the public
version of it.
It shows a little bit lessdetail than the internal version
.
So if you're signed up forPodmatch, but it does prompt
people, hey, if you want tointerview this guest or if you
want to be a guest on thispodcast, click here to sign up
and then it'll automaticallywork as that person's affiliate
link.

(39:45):
But from an SEO perspective, weworked with a couple different
experts on this and I didn'teven know what schema markup is.
And this is an SEO podcast and,sam, I know you know that world
well, but that was apparently athing that we were overlooking.
We're like, hey, if you wantthis to rank higher in search
engines, you want the largelanguage model AIs to be able to
figure out who somebody isbased off a Podmatch profile.
You've got to work on thisstuff.
So we have put a lot of timeand energy into it.
We still are to help that, helpsomebody rank higher, and the

(40:06):
idea is it will just increasetheir authority as an individual
and we can kind of see like thefuture of search is going
toward the individual'scredibility, and so we wanted to
be able to help that.
We had somebody recently leavePodmatch, which is always
upsetting to me.
But they said hey, what did youall do to me?
I'm like what do you mean?
They're like my websitevisitors went down.
My podcast listenership wentdown.
Like, did you do that to meBecause I left Podmatch?

(40:26):
I'm like no, that's just aby-product of no longer having a
profile on those two places.
It was probably your bestranking profile on the internet
and that was something we reallywanted to do just as a bonus
for everybody.
So to me, that's reallyimportant.

Sam Sethi (40:40):
So is this aimed at independent podcast creators or
is this aimed at the bigpodcasters?
Who's the target audience?

Thank you for asking that, sam.
I don't know if anyone's everasked me that, but it's the
independent creator.
Me personally, I'm anindependent creator myself.
I have my own show and I justlove being an individual creator
and I believe in the power thathas on the world, like together
, right there, sure, there's,there's one show that might be
bigger than all of ours combinedalmost Right.
But the reality is I reallylove the heart behind what an

(41:10):
individual does and how itserves people.
So we're always going to be allfor the individual, the small,
independent podcaster.
And when I go to conferences Idon't try to meet the keynotes
of the big names Not that I haveanything against them, of
course they're great.
Everyone wants to meet them,everyone wants to sign their
show right For me.
I want to meet the new person10, 20 episodes in, that has a
real passion, a real purpose forit, and that's that's what gets

(41:31):
me up in the morning and getsme really excited to be in this
space.

Sam Sethi (41:35):
So, with Podmatch, is there a payment requirement
from the guest or the host interms of because one of the
things that I've been approachednumerous times oh, we can get
you on a show, but it'll costyou so much money, right?
And I'm like, nah, I'm okay,I'll just ring them.
If I really want to be on thatshow, I'll connect with them and
if I have value, as in whatI've got to say, they'll have me

(41:58):
as a guest, and if I haven'tgot value, then I'm not paying
for it, right?
So where's the money flow inthis?

Yeah, we do things very I don't know.
I don't want to call it likeanti.
Well, you know, it's just, it'snot common, it's not
conventional wisdom when itcomes to software and I've been
told we don't do it right bymany people.
So I know that if you'rehearing this and you have an
idea for me, it's okay.
I'm probably not going to gowith it, but feel free to reach
out.
But we actually have no freetier, we have no trial.
It's you pay and then you canstart, and we've done that since

(42:26):
the beginning, just not sincethe beginning, actually.
We did that maybe a year in andthe weird thing is when I did
that, our amount of signupsorganically quadrupled overnight
.
And still this day we grow,mostly organically, and it just
basically kind of weeds outpeople that maybe aren't serious
, aren't ready yet, but thepricing can always change, but I
don't foresee that everhappening, on the host side at
the very least.
So on the host side, it's $6 amonth to be a host on Podmatch.

(42:49):
That's unlimited matches, asmany or as few as you want.
Limited matches, as many or asfew as you want.
So we have some people that dodaily podcasts.
We have some people that do amonthly episode, and so it's as
much or as little as you want.
But the one thing that we addedis we call it our pod value
initiative.
So if you're a podcast host onthe platform through a pod value
initiative, which you'reautomatically enrolled into, we
actually pay podcast hosts touse the platform and it's not a

(43:09):
whole lot, but the goal is tohelp them offset their
production cost.
We charge $6 a month for law ofbuy-in.
I did some personal trainingmany years ago, sam, and I've
learned that all of my worstclients were the ones I gave a
deal to or the ones I trainedfor free.
They never took it seriously.
They never really were willingto invest in themselves, because
I told them you don't need tobe, just come and I'll help you
however I can.
And so when it came topodcasting, we realized the same

(43:30):
thing.
We charge $6 a month, not tomake $6 a month off of you.
We give it back to you, plus alot more.
I just need to know that you'reserious.
If you can't pull up yourwallet, I can't pull mine out
for you.
And so our goal is to break amillion dollars back in the
hands of podcasters, and at timeof recording, we're just over
$900,000 we've given back, andso I'm really excited about that
, like that's been a goal fromday one and it's just our way of

(43:52):
helping them offset theirproduction costs, because
there's money involved inpodcasting.
Now, on the guest side, aliciamy wife she's the one who knows
the numbers really well, so,forgive me, I don't actually
know how much it costs.
But we've done our best to keepit very affordable as well.
That way we can have peoplethat have real stories,
independent people.
We don't want to remove peoplefrom the platform or keep them
from getting on if they can'tafford it, so we kept it at a

(44:12):
price point that's affordable tomake sure that people would be
able to join and again shareauthentically that independent
creator, that person who maybehas a newer business or just
doesn't have a lot financially,but they have a really good
story.
So we've done our best to keepthe whole thing affordable and
that's going to be our long-termgoal.
We don't have this futurepricing structure that's going
to increase it over time.
We want to make sure that it'sgood for everybody.

(44:32):
We want to be people that arereally serious.

Sam Sethi (44:35):
So what's next on the roadmap for Podmatch?
I mean, where do you want totake it next?

Yeah.
So the big goal is to breakthat million dollars.
My goal is by the end of 2025and then in 2026, we'd like to
double that.
So once we kind of figured itout and the other thing that
we've been really working on weadded an embedded player into
the podcast profiles and we'reseeing that bring a lot of
traffic to podcast and so we'rereally doubling down on again
the SEO, the schema markup,getting it ranked on search

(45:01):
engines, and large languagemodels to help podcast listeners
find podcasts as well.
So I think the next thing Iwant to help with is that.
But we don't like to keep peopleon Podmatch.
If you're just a listener, theprofile doesn't make sense.
And that's kind of where wecome in, wanting to work with
true fans, like places wherepeople can actually go and
engage right, like we're nevergoing to be that.
We want to help with thatinitial introduction, and
there's so many places that Ifeel like they're great

(45:23):
listening experiences, but whenit comes to the introduction
it's a little bit more difficult.
We have so much informationthat the hosts have made
available that we can do that.
So what we're really focused onright now is helping podcasts
grow as well and get discovered.
I don't care to keep all thelistenership on Podmatch, but if
that's your initial way offinding it, I want to make sure
that you get to the next bestplace where it fits you
afterwards.
So we're kind of working on nowmatching podcasts and listeners

(45:46):
, like we're kind of done withdoing the host and the guest
type of thing.

Sam Sethi (45:50):
If I wanted to sign up for Podmatch, where would I
go?

Podmatch, where would I go?
Podmatchcom has everything thatyou'll need, and I do always
tell people, though start atpodmatchcom, slash free.
Whether you're a podcast guesthost or aspiring guest or host
or even an agency, there'ssomething there for you.
It's just nine quick ideas, andI don't ask for your email
address or anything like that.
There's just some things Ithink can help podcasters out.
So, but if you start atpodmatchcom, slash free, take a
look at those nine ideas.

(46:13):
It's just kind of some of thethings that have really stood
out to me over the years.
But, sam, you're amazing.
Thank you for for doing whatyou do, and I'm truly honored to
be here today.
This was, this is absolutely agift alex, reciprocate, mate,
reciprocate.

Sam Sethi (46:25):
Thank you for taking the time.

Speeches soon, my friend take care thank you
again the very excellent alexsan filipo and, of course, on
the Podmatch website.
Also, now is the time, ofcourse, for everybody to post
about Podcast Movement, and soDave Jackson was one of those
giving lessons that he learnedfrom Podcast Movement.
He is hardcore, is Dave Jackson, because he went from the

(46:48):
Podcast Movement conference toanother podcast conference
somewhere else.
Wow, I know, I mean, that'sproperly hardcore, that is.
I would not like to go toanother podcast conference after
podcast movement.
So well done to him.
I wonder if he's got any voiceleft at all.
It'd be interesting to find out, sofie more likely.
Yes, yes, no.

(47:08):
Exactly.
So anyway, that is linked tofrom the Pod News newsletter
this week.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
The Tech Stuff on the Pod News Weekly Review.

Yes, it's the stuff you'll find every Monday
in the Pod News newsletter.
Here's where Sam talkstechnology.

Sam Sethi (47:22):
So RSScom have added chapter support for Spotify's
chapters, which uses the oddlyGerman Podlove.
Simple chapter specificationwhy?

My understanding of the Podlove chapter
specification is that it iswithin the RSS feed, which is
something that quite a lot ofpeople don't really want to do,
because obviously, to change thechapters, you need to change
the RSS feed and then thechapters need to be embedded and
everything else.
However, that does mean thatthey are slightly better in
terms of privacy, becausetherefore, it means that your

(47:57):
app or your device isn'tdownloading that chapter file as
you play the show, so perhapsthere's some benefit there.
Anyway, spotify supports thePodlove simple chapter
specification and now RSScom doas well, so that is very good
news.
That means that if you are onrsscom, then chapters will work

(48:17):
everywhere for you, which isnice.
They're also launching theirsupport for the location tag
their proper support for thelocation tag soon, and they're
doing stuff around the fundingtag as well, so they're doing a
bunch of things.
Just wondering, sam, I'mguessing you support the new
location tag, you support thefunding tag, obviously, and you
support Podlove chapters in TrueFans.

(48:38):
Is that what that is we do?
Yes, yeah.

Sam Sethi (48:40):
We've supported the Podlove chapters for about six
months now.
We found that a lot of peoplewere beginning to add support
for them, shows like the NewsAgents, for example.
Why?
Because not to be in Spotify,but because of YouTube, and they
were using them for YouTubechapters.
So we thought, okay, if wecan't beat them, let's join them

(49:05):
, and so the way it works.
It'll be interesting whenrsscom roll it out.
So let's say, this show, forexample, has podcasting 2.0
chapters, but if we also addedpod love chapters in the same
feed, at the moment our logic is, if we find podcasting 2.0

(49:25):
chapters, we display those inthe chapter tab, but if we don't
find them, then we will deferback to the pod love chapters.
We won't make the Podlovechapter the primary.

Yeah, I think that makes sense and yeah, no,
that's.
Yeah, it's interesting.
It must be very difficult to beable to support those two, and
ideally you would want tosupport the ID3 chapters in the
actual feed as well, and thoseare much harder to support
because it requires you knowpassing your way through the
entire file.
But yeah, so, yeah, chaptersare not an easy thing, and I

(50:00):
didn't fully appreciate theprivacy concerns that some
people have, particularly MarcoArment has, about a separate
JSON file and a separate JSONfile, by by the way, that also
picks up images as well in thereas well.
So, yeah, it was certainlyinteresting to see.
Yeah, but I I.

Sam Sethi (50:19):
The one thing I don't like about them when they're
hard coded is, if you want tomake changes, like we do, so,
for example with this show, youwill publish it because you've
edited it.
I will then go back intobuzzsprout and then update the
chapters that you've createdwith imagery and links, and then
that will get republished viapod ping.

(50:40):
That wouldn't work with podlove, would it?
You'd have to redistribute thewhole rss feed again.

Yes, indeed, indeed so different, these
different things.
And, of course, if you're goingto change it in the ID3 tags in
the audio, then you'd have tore-download the audio.
So you know, so, differentmethods work in different ways,
but yeah, so it must be verydifficult to support all three

(51:09):
of those things.
I am, though, going to becausethe PodClock podcast is back.
I turned PodClock off about twoyears ago, which was originally
an April Fool's joke and no onenoticed.

Sam Sethi (51:22):
No sorry.

Yeah, well, yes, correct.
So it was originally an AprilFool's joke.
It's now not.
It's now a podcast app testingtool, and you can find all kinds
of things in there, as well asfind out what what time of day
it is.
If you want to do that, and oneof the things that I plan on
doing is to add an additionalepisode in there, which is

(51:46):
probably an hour long episodewith chapters every minute, just
to see whether or not thestories that I've been hearing
recently about you being able touse chapter images to work out
how far into a podcast you'vegot actually works or not,
because I'm kind of not entirelyconvinced that that's going to

(52:06):
work.
So what better than just togive it a go?
So I'm going to produce an hourlong piece of audio somehow
It'll probably be a veryrepetitive piece of looping
music and see what happens.
You know in terms of how thatworks from a chapter point of
view.

Sam Sethi (52:24):
Yeah, I've heard this first party data solution from
hosts several times now.
Yeah, we don't need to getfirst party data from apps.
We can do it through checkingwhere you are in your chapter.
I've even heard this for oh,with HLS, because it's six
second chunks, we'll knowexactly where you are.
Great, but it's still not firstparty data.

Yes, and I'm still not quite sure.
I mean obviously with HLS, itwill pre-cache, and my guess is
that it will pre-cache as wellin terms of the, in terms of the
chapters as well.
It'll pre-cache the images.
That's my guess.
So what would be nice is tohave something where you start
playing.
You know, you, you you can havea listen to an episode and at

(53:09):
the same time, have a look at a,at a at web page, which is
actually showing you what I cansee about you playing that piece
of audio.
That would be quite fun to do,if I can work out how to do it.
I may not be able to do itquite as smartly as that, but we
will see.

Sam Sethi (53:25):
Now, one of the most interesting links on Pod News
Daily this week was when you putlink to something called Media
Over Quick and I was was wow,what the hell's this?
Because we're all talking abouthls and we're all looking at
whether it's a viable solution.
You know, both from a cost andalso from a user experience and

(53:47):
then suddenly cloudflare comeout with this media over quick.
So what's this one, james?

I understand very little about media media
over quick, other than thereseems to be some kind of relay
transport layer involved.
There seems to be some kind oflow latency stuff built into it
as well, using web rtc, which isthe stuff that you build remote

(54:14):
recording tools, for example,with and yes, so it seems to be
that sort of thing.
I don't know whether you'velooked into it in a little bit
more.

Sam Sethi (54:24):
Yeah.

Yeah, I mean does oh well, I mean, of course,
truefans is already supportingit, I'm assuming.

Sam Sethi (54:30):
No, no, no no, no, no , not yet.
No, I was interested becausethe evolution of the web has
always been iterative right, sowe've gone from.
I think HLS is.
What a decade old possibly.

Yeah.

Sam Sethi (54:47):
So you know, and then there's low latency HLS, and
these were designed for specificsolutions, and HLS is great for
live podcasting, because that'ssomething that we want to
implement.
And then I looked at this andwhat someone's done is taken all
the things like RTMP and andall of the web, rtc and all of
the other bits of technologythat are probably a decade or

(55:10):
more old and said about time, weupdated all of this stuff and
they've come up with a new wayof faster, more reliable data
delivery.
Now, whether that gets adopted,because one thing I worry about
most new technologies like thisis it's a decade before
adoption.

Yeah, and you'll need to build it into the
operating system and that willtake time and you'll need to.
So, I mean, my understanding isthat it uses this thing called
QUIC, which is essentially HTTP3.
It's the new way of deliveringinformation over the Internet,
so you've got that kind of stuffrather than using TCP IP.

(55:51):
That then allows you to do afew other things.
It allows you to send files,you know, in a better way, and
they talk about all kinds ofexciting things, but obviously
what that means is that, from apodcast hosting point of view,
it means entirely new servers,entirely new.

(56:15):
You new, you know help andobviously cloudflare are very
excited by it, because if theysupport it and not very many
other people do, and then theywill get more people using their
service.
So of course, they're going tobe very, very excited by it.
Well, I think, I think probablythis is, this is a thing for
another another 10 years in thefuture.

Sam Sethi (56:34):
Certainly yeah, I mean it's also.
I mean, look, tcp IP is over 25years old.
I mean when Vint Cerf came upwith it.
So you know, let's be clear.
Tcp IP was the protocol stackrequirement that actually gave
birth to what Microsoft did andNetscape did with browsers,
because before that you had toload your own protocol stack and

(56:57):
that was just a pain in thebackside if you weren't a geek.
And then Microsoft included TCPIP in the OS and then suddenly
the browser sat on top of it andsuddenly it all worked.
But that's 25 years oldtechnology, right?
So clearly people have lookedat it.
As you said, http3, browserswill need to adopt this first,

(57:19):
then you've got to get OSs andthen you've got to get everyone
to upgrade.

Yeah, yeah, yeah , yeah, now I think it'll be.
You know, it's a long time intothe future.
Yes, you've just reminded methat of course you needed a
Winsock.
The future yes, you've justreminded me that of course you
needed a Winsock.
You needed Winsock when youwere first using things like
Windows 95 or Windows no,windows 2, I think you had to

(57:43):
have Winsockdll, which was thewhole thing that turned on TCP
IP.
Now Quick is built into GoogleChrome, so quite a lot of the
stuff that you do now is usingQUIC rather than TCP IP, and in
fact, podnews is QUIC enabled.
So if you're using Chrome, youcan access when you access the

(58:09):
PodNews website.
One of the reasons why it's sofast is that it's quick enabled
through HTTP 3.
So that's nice, and it's IPversion 6 enabled as well, and
various other things.

Sam Sethi (58:20):
So I've made sure that I've.
Did you do that, yeah, or wasthat automatically done?

That was me turning things on in Amazon
Cloud front.
Yes, so Amazon offer it, butyou have to turn these
particular things on, or atleast you certainly did when I,
when I first ended up doing this.
So, yeah, this is if you're, ifyou're expecting an easy to
understand tech stuff section,this is not, it this?

Sam Sethi (58:46):
week.
If you really are into yourtech and you want to know what's
coming down the track, I highlyrecommend going and finding the
link.
It's called Media Over Quickand it's a really long,
in-detail blog post fromCloudflare.

Well, let's bring it back to earth.
Podcast badges and images.
Nathan Gathright has a big listof podcast badges that's now
part of Podlink, becauseobviously Nathan now owns
Podlink.
I was giving him a podcastmovement.
I was giving him a large amountof feature requests for how

(59:24):
Podlink ought to work, including, if you wouldn't mind, an API
into it as well.
But yes, if you want badges foryour website or badges if maybe
you are running a podcasthosting company and you want to
make sure that you've got thelatest badges and all of that
for individual podcast apps andthings like that, then now you
want to be going tobadgespodlinkcom and that is

(59:47):
where you'll find all of thenice badges in both dark mode
and in light mode on there aswell.
So it's a very cool thing,great resource if you're
building that sort of thing.
What else has gone on Podstock?
Podstock is interesting, didyou?
Yeah, I thought it was afestival when I first read that.
Do you know?
There was a podstock.

(01:00:07):
That was a festival, oh wasthere yes.
And in fact, we covered that inthe Pod News newsletter all the
way back when, I think, theyannounced that Podstock was
going to be a new podcastconference, the first in New
Jersey history back in 2022.
It was in Trenton in New Jersey.

(01:00:29):
Anyway, that is no more, butPodstock is a company, it's a
new service and what it offers abit like the bumper dashboard.
It goes and grabs lots ofinformation from Apple, from
Spotify, from YouTube, from allof that, so it brings that back
into one dashboard for you andyour podcast.

(01:00:49):
Their secret sauce, though, is,if you're using services that
produce short form clips foryour podcast, it will
automatically work out wherethose are from and and add those
into all of your numbers.
So you can actually go back toa guest and say XT million
people saw, saw you either on aclip or on the main podcast,

(01:01:13):
which is pretty clever.
So it's a new tool from them,called Episode 360, that you can
find out more about.
Where's their website,podstockio, it turns out.

Sam Sethi (01:01:24):
Nice.
Can I play with that a littlelater on?
Now Google is tighteningsecurity measures around Android
app distribution.
I was listening to JohnSpurlock on Podcasting 2.0.
And you know, to my surprise,it was hard to get the Android
app approved.
It was the iOS app when I wasdoing TrueFans and John was

(01:01:47):
saying well, basically, there'smore devices, they've got to be
much more stringent.
But one of the things thatGoogle has allowed, which Apple
doesn't do or has only donebegrudgingly, is allowed for
other app stores.
But this is now looking atmaking sure that they tighten up
on what developers are doing,even off Google Play Store.

(01:02:11):
So I've had to do this.
I've had to go and give myblood and inside leg measurement
to Apple.
Sorry to Google.
There's a form you can gothrough, but it's very
interesting.
In that form it does ask youare you distributing through
other third party sites or juston Google Play Store?

James Cridland (01:02:33):
Yeah, and I think the concern for some
people about all of this is thatit does mean that you won't be
able to get people to downloadyour app, to sideload it,
because at the moment, the bigdifference between Android and
iOS is that you can justdownload and install any piece
of software from anywhere, anypiece of software from anywhere.

(01:02:58):
The operating system will kindof stop you from doing that, but
as long as you press the rightbuttons, then you can download
an APK from anywhere at all.
Now that means two things thatmeans piracy and that also means
viruses.
But it does mean that somebodylike me, for example, can
actually write a Android app andcan install it onto my phone
and all the phones of my friendswithout Google getting in the
way.
Now Google is going to get inthe way, and what some people

(01:03:21):
have been saying is that this istypical Google.
They start with an open sourcepiece of software, they
encourage lots of people tocontribute to it, to make it an
amazingly brilliant piece ofopen source software, and then,
slowly but surely, they removethe open sourceness of it, and

(01:03:42):
what we may well see going onhere is that actually, it
becomes harder and harder foryou to be able to produce.
You know, for you to be able totake your old Android phone and,
you know, stick a new ROM on itor do weird and wonderful
things with it if you wanted to,and basically everything is

(01:04:04):
going to be the Apple way ofgoing through the Apple App
Store and that's it.
So lots of people jumping upand down and very, very upset
about it.
I think the one thing that Iwould say is I use Android on an
e-book reader, for example, andI can get different e-book
readers onto that device, andI'm very pleased about that, and
this would kind of get in theway of doing that in the future.

(01:04:26):
And obviously there are quite alot of cars now with Android
various versions of Android, youknow, in the car, and again,
that may stop us from tweakingand fiddling around with those
devices as well, but that'sprobably not a bad thing, I
suppose.

Sam Sethi (01:04:42):
Yeah, I would have thought, though, that you know
as a support call requirement ifyou're sideloading uncertified
apps.
It must be a nightmare forGoogle, you know.
Oh yeah, they've got moredevices than Apple to support
more versions of the Androidoperating system to support, and

(01:05:02):
now you have third partiesaren't certified.
I think this is just a fairlylogical thing in the evolution.

Yes, yes, no, I think so.
So, yeah, no, it's going to beinteresting to see how all of
that bit works.
But, yes, there's a lot ofpeople, on the Fediverse in
particular, who are very upsetabout all of this, and they're
even getting upset about theword sideloading, because, yes,

(01:05:32):
that would be bad.

Sam Sethi (01:05:34):
Yes, that would be bad.
Now we were talking about JohnSpurlock, who was on last week's
Podcasting 2.0 with Adam Curry,dave Jones.
He announced that he's buildinga futuristic Android app.

John Spurlock (01:05:46):
Well, I've been working on a podcast app for a
while and I work for Android atGoogle and I think obviously
most people listen and watchpodcasts on their phone, on
their mobile devices.
So you know, I've been workingon an app.
I don't want to ideally competewith all the other cool apps

(01:06:07):
that are out there, right, so Idon't want to be another like,
hey, this is overcast, but alittle bit better and doesn't
crash and doesn't look horrible.
You know it's like yes, theworld probably needs one of
those, but I would hate to takeaway share from those sorts of
apps, right.
And so it's like I don't I yes,I could do that and I have
actually an app that I use thatkind of does that.
But I kind of wanted to take astep back and say, like what

(01:06:29):
could a podcast app look like?
Right, so this is like podcastapp from the future kind of
thing.
And I did.
I do think I hit on something,that there's one thing that I
again ideally like we just takestuff away from YouTube and
Spotify and not from the others.
I did think.
I think I hit on one thing thatI could do as the first, like

(01:06:49):
major feature of the app thatboth of those do, that no one
else does, and then it kind oflike is in its own space, cool.
So I'm hoping to get it outthis year because you know they
have the new new os cadence.
Yeah, I think it's coming.
The new phones are beingannounced on the 9th of
september, but I probably won'tbe ready for that.
But it's going to be.
It's going to be a weird app,let's just put it that way.

(01:07:10):
Oh, I love you, know me, I likeI like different weird apps
with an attitude.

That's what I've been waiting for, so I
anticipate that it's going to beinteresting to find out quite
what John is working on.
I am always fascinated atseeing how his brain works and
seeing what he's going to end uplaunching.
So you know, John, hurry up,and please can you make the iOS
version first.

Sam Sethi (01:07:33):
No, I'm going with no UI and it's voice enabled only.

Oh yeah, well.
Well, that'll be great, won'tit Gosh?

Sam Sethi (01:07:42):
Now talking of people , Barry Lubrex, the CEO of
Podhome, friend of the show.
I'm still allowed to say thathe has also been hinting on
various WhatsApp groups abouthis new podcast app.
It's currently in beta so, yeah, I haven't seen it.
Be, interesting to see what hedoes as well.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see whether
that's just another podcast appor whether there's some secret
source.
Like Mr Spurlock, descript hasadded additional voice support
from 11 Labs and also from NanoBanana.
What's Nano Banana?

Sam Sethi (01:08:17):
Nano Banana is this thing that Google is putting out
.
It's a generational model, soit's a bit like VO3.
So it's called Nano Banana.
That's the name of it.
It's their newest image model.

Can you imagine the grownups at Apple calling
something Nano Banana?

Sam Sethi (01:08:36):
No, wow, wow, nope, so anyway.
So what I found interesting,though, is so we talk about
WonderCraft and all the greatthings they do, but the
underlying engine is 11 Labs.

Yeah.

Sam Sethi (01:08:52):
All of the technology really is 11 Labs and
WonderCraft's this great UI ontop and Descript now has simply
gone.
Yep, we'll go and do 11 Labs aswell.
Right, we'll add that.
And we're adding various new,and I don't get why they're
adding imaging LLMs or imaginggeneration models, but they are.

Well, they do video, don't they?
They do video.

Sam Sethi (01:09:14):
And I'm just wondering where this is all
going, because it's I mean, I ama Descript user, you know that,
and it's becoming so complex tounderstand it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, indeed, indeed.
Well, let's watch out for that.
And Castos has added a nice newembedded player which looks
very nice.
It uses oEmbed support.
Oembed support is reallyhelpful because you just copy
the link into a Medium post or aWordPress post or whatever, and
WordPress knows enough to goand have a look at that page and

(01:09:46):
work out how to embed theinformation in there.
So that's a very smart thing.
So well done to Castos fordoing that.

Sam Sethi (01:09:56):
Few other launches, james, that you were writing
about.
One's called ZenStream, whichis a smart clip generator.
Another one was called NestPod,which was a 100% private and
free podcast manager, and thelast one was called CastClip,
which makes clips from podcastsyes, lots of which is tedious
and annoying.

Yes, lots of clip software which?
Yes, lots of lots of clipsoftware.
Which is exciting.
Nestpod is worth a look at, ifonly because the way that it
works is that it stores thepodcasts that you listen to,
your subscription list.
Essentially, it stores that onyour browser, because it's a
whole browser thing.
You can sync that withadditional devices, but

(01:10:39):
everything is very muchencrypted, so there is no way
that NestPod would be able toknow what podcasts you're
subscribed to or anything,because all of this happens in
the browser.
So it's a very interestingmodel it's weird to use.
So I mean, I'm assuming thatnest pod is not john spurlock's

(01:11:02):
thing, you know but there we are.

Sam Sethi (01:11:06):
Google aren't going to sue them for the nest name.

Yeah, oh, yeah, well, yes, gosh, yes, although
google apparently are nowturning off all of the nest
thermostats.
So if you have a first, secondor third generation thermostat,
then tough, because that's notgoing to work I have brilliant
too yeah, well, sorry, sorry,they're turning them off apple
should have bought that anywayyes, well, so, yeah, so nest pod

(01:11:29):
is just worth a look at just tothink of yeah, okay, well, how
how would you do that?
you know the sinking thing I.
I thought was quite clever.
So anyway, worth a peek, you'llfind.
Where will you find NestPod?
You'll find NestPod atnest-podorg.

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Where are we?
Oh, we've got some boosts, sam.
What have we got from lyceum?

Sam Sethi (01:12:36):
anyway, where are we?
Oh, we've got some boosts.
So what have we got from lyceum1701, which clearly I never
remember what that means, but itdoes have a meaning.
Congrats for being ear worthy.
Is the trophy shaped as nearmartin?
I'll never know, because itgoes straight to james's cabinet
.
So who knows?

yes, yes, who knows?
17, by the way, is an angelnumber in astrology and it
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Wow, yes.
So there we are, another row ofRichards from Lyceum.
James, how can I get yoursticker?
Is it time for me to become apower supporter?
Yes, yes, it's time for you tobecome a power supporter.

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Time for you to become a powersupporter.
Here's a super comment with arow of stickers, ie a digital
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Bits of Bitcoin close brackets.
Thanks for explaining that.
That's very kind of you.
How can you get a sticker?
You have to.
I'm afraid it's a in-meet-spacething only turns out.

(01:13:35):
So, yes, that's how that'sgoing to work.
Lyceum, thank you.
Oh, one more 420sats.
Yes, we know what that is fromLyceum.
I look forward to testing itout.
This is talking aboutWondercraft or Wonder.
Did you have a beer at PodcastMovement?
I have great food memories froma deli restaurant in Dallas.
Not only did I have a beerLyceum, not only did I have a

(01:13:59):
beer Lyceum, not only did I havea beer, but also I discovered
that a quick Uber ride away wasa brew pub that served all
manner of beer that it makesitself, which was very good.
So I have a friend of mine whoI see every podcast movement
conference and every podcastmovement.
We tipped her away and go andvisit the brew pub, which is
what we did and it was veryenjoyable, and for half of it we

(01:14:22):
sat inside and then there was aband setting up and we thought,
no, we don't want that, and sothe other half we sat outside in
a proudly mosquito free beergarden.
I'm not quite sure how thatworks.

Alex Sanfillipo (01:14:34):
How.

Yeah, but no.
So it was very good.
And you're wondering what itwas called now, aren't you?
And yes, if only I could thinkHop and Sting.
It was called Hop and Sting inGrapevine Grapevine, by the way,
sam, was a lovely little place.
So if you imagine a horriblehotel with lots of you know,
with you know fountains insideand three different restaurants

(01:14:58):
and everything else, that'sbasically like the oval office.
Yeah, now, now, now now.
So if you imagine that, thatthat's where the conference was
and everything else.
But grapevine was 10 minutesuber away and grapevine was this
lovely old-fashioned place.
And last, on the last day, Iwent out for a wander through

(01:15:19):
through Grapevine, because I hadliterally nothing to do after
finishing editing the Pod NewsWeekly Review.
I mean, really, I should havedone all of the chapters but I
didn't.
But anyway, we went to have anice walk and I walked past this
place and it said LandmarkCoffee and I thought, well, that
looks nice, that looks as ifthey might actually be able to
make coffee.
So I went in.
They had signs outside andeverything.

(01:15:40):
So I went in and I said helloand they looked at me as if I
was the weirdest thing ever andthey went hi and I said I was
hoping for a coffee and theysaid, oh okay, yeah, we can give
you a coffee.
And they said, oh okay, yeah,we can give you a coffee.
And I thought, what is going onhere?
I've just walked into a coffeeshop May seem really confused as

(01:16:03):
to why I was there.
Anyway, it turned out this wasFriday.
It turned out that they wereopening on Saturday and I just
turned up a day early.
But I did have a very good flatwhite and what was quite
entertaining?
They didn't do flat white ontheir menu.
But I said, could I have a flatwhite please?
And they knew exactly what Iwas asking for, and so they were

(01:16:24):
able to get a little bit oftraining in on what happens when
a foreigner comes in and asksfor something that isn't on the
menu.
But yeah, very good, I wouldrecommend it.
It's called Landmark Coffee andit's an old filling station
that's more than 100 years oldin the middle of Grapevine, and,
yes, it was a very good andexcellent coffee that no one
will be going to.
Who listens to this show?

Sam Sethi (01:16:43):
No, because no one's going back to Dallas.

No, no, they're going to New York next, James.

Sam Sethi (01:16:48):
Yes, so you can recommend a coffee shop in New
York next time.

Oh I can I actually can One run by run by
australians as well.
So we will do that closer tothe time, I think okay.
Have we mentioned all of the ohwe're rw nash 1000 sats
podcasting?
It's adam curry from the dscera, yes.
The daily source code era, yes.
No doubt mentioning thephotograph that I managed to get

(01:17:11):
with the podfather himself theman who is?
taller than he's taller than me.
He's taller than me.
I know it's astonishing.
He's not as tall as RobGreenlee, though, who is taller,
but nevertheless he is tallerthan me, and right at this
precise moment, he is emptyinghis dishwasher, because that's
what he does when he listens tothis show.
It must take him a hell of along time.

(01:17:34):
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You can join this list of 21different people by visiting
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Hopefully, lyceum will be doingthat very, very shortly.
So what's been happening foryou this week, sam?

Sam Sethi (01:18:15):
Well, I may sound a little bit tired today, because
I've had three hours sleep.
Oh, wow, okay why is?

why is that?
Have you is it?
Has there been a big party inyour house?

Sam Sethi (01:18:26):
yeah, there has.
Yeah, it's my daughter's 21stand so we she did a party in the
garden, which then required meto put all the lights out in the
garden plus set up marquees,and then serve as the waiter
last night for all the drinksand then the dj as well, and
then they all decided to go tobed at around three, four
o'clock this morning, which iseventually when I got to sleep.

(01:18:48):
So, yeah, a little bitknackered, and currently
somewhere outside of this roomthat I'm in is half a dozen 20
year olds somewhere wanderingaround.
So god knows what I'm going tofind when I come out good lord.

Well, there's a thing, yeah, you've got.
You've got a tidy up to do now.

Sam Sethi (01:19:04):
I've got to do it again on Saturday because we've
got the family one, so lastnight was her mates, and then
we've got the family one, soround two coming up.

Nice, that's what you need have you been
doing anything exciting in TrueFans as well?

Sam Sethi (01:19:17):
Yeah, I mean we have been evolving this podcast promo
idea so I think I talked aboutlast week.
You can buy space on thehomepage, in the header or on
one of the carousels, and youcan buy that with Sats or Fiat.

(01:19:40):
We've extended that now.
So very similar to what libsyndid and what I think captivated
planning.
But we don't do rss feedinjection, we just simply allow
you to buy space on the podcastpage.
So, for example, if somebodywanted to buy space on the true
fans yeah yeah, pod news weeklyreview.
They could put it into thesecond slot and then they just
pay, and so you as the creator,get paid.
But what we've done on it is avalue for value type model.

(01:20:03):
So in the sense that the personwho wants to buy space on your
page it's not a fixed fee theymake an offer to you, the
creator, and if you accept thatoffer, it then appears, and if
you don't accept it, you canreject it and it won't appear at
all that's it very simple fancyand then the other thing that
we're working on and I thinkthis is something that we've

(01:20:25):
been trying we we do a featurecalled co-listen, which, if you
follow people within true fan sowe have a social model you will
then get a notification thatsays oh, james has listened to
the same episode as you, right?
And then you can click on itand then you'll see where you
are in the timeline and I canjump to the same point or I can
stay listening to where I am.
So that's been working.

(01:20:46):
And then what was missing wasthe ability to well say, oh so
your friend James is listening,well, why don't you two chat
about the episode that you'reboth listening to?
So the next feature we want toadd is co-chat, and of course
that leads to then super chats,which is why we had super
comments rather than boosts, andso yeah, and then messaging as

(01:21:08):
well.
So all of that stuff.
And again, you know, I knowyour brother's the ex-MPP guru,
but I don't know what we'regoing to use.
I think we're going to useWebSockets instead, but anyway,
we'll let you know I think hewould agree with that too.

So very good.
Yes, and the screenshot thatyou've put in here has your real
name on there, which is allvery exciting.
Yes, don't reveal.

Sam Sethi (01:21:31):
No, no, good Lord, I once did this, where I forgot to
use my real name on my airplaneticket ah, yes, oh my god, I
had to buy a bloody new ticket,practically yes, of course you
would have done yes, you wouldhave done yes, yes you have to
match what it says in thepassport.

And exactly one of the things that I have
learned.
So you know, if you've got a d,a DJ name like Sam Sethi, then
you need to be careful there.
One of the things that I havelearned is that the middle name
is also important too,particularly in this part of the
world.
So if you forget to put yourmiddle name in, then there are
some airlines that will not letyou board because the name in

(01:22:14):
your passport is different tothe name which is on your ticket
.
If you haven't put your middlename on.
Yeah, so everything has to havemy middle name on there, just
in case I've got one of theweird airlines that insists on
that, because, of course, youknow, in many parts of Asia
there is no such thing as amiddle name and, frankly,
there's no such thing as a lastname and a first name, because

(01:22:36):
it all works differently.
So, yes, it's a real sort ofinteresting, interesting thing.

Sam Sethi (01:22:42):
Yeah, are we going to get letters on a postcard?
What is your middle name?

Oh, I think that's.
I think that's a conversationfor me and the tax man Right.

Sam Sethi (01:22:51):
That's about as far as it'll go, and a coffee shop
in New York?
Okay, yes, quite possibly.
So what else has happened foryou this week?

James, really.
I mean, you've heard all theexciting news about the
Roadcaster.
You've heard all the excitingnews about oh.
In fact, I haven't mentionedthe Roadcaster in the show, have
I?
So I suppose I'd better go backand say, well, so I've been
playing around with the oh.
No, what did I?
I think you did.

Yeah, I think.

I did.
Okay, yes, so you've heardabout the roadcaster, you've,
you've, you've.
You've heard about video aswell, recording things on video.
So no, I think you know it's.
It's it's a nice quiet week.
Quiet week Next week, off toJakarta in Indonesia.

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So we need to work out whenwe're going to record this very
show, but I'm sure that we willfind a time to do that, and then
the week after or a couple ofweeks after that, then I'm due
in London and then in Calgary.
So it's all going to go on.
So that's going to be fun.
But yes, I'm just enjoying anice quiet week.
Really.
I did enjoy speaking for the.
There is a health podcastcoming up which I ended up doing

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a little thing for that theother day, so that was fun to do
.
But yeah, it's all going onbasically, and that's it for
this week.
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