Poor Sleep, Big Pay Gaps, Culture Shifts: The State of Devs in 2025 with Sacha Greif

Sacha Greif, creator of the State of Devs 2025 survey, joins PodRocket to share insights on developer life beyond the code. We talk about sleep habits, mental health, job titles, workplace culture, and shifting values across regions. Learn why "engineer" titles often pay more, what developers worldwide think about Elon Musk, and how trends differ by country, gender, and company size. Links Website: https://sachagreif.com X: https://x.com/sachagreif Github: https://github.com/sachag LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sacha-greif-03b9a3255 Resources State of Devs 2025: https://2025.stateofdevs.com/en-US Chapters 00:00 Intro & State of Devs 2025 Overview 00:10 Why Developer Life Is More Than Code 00:39 From State of JavaScript to State of Devs 01:08 Expanding Surveys: AI & React Ecosystem 01:21 Developer Life Beyond Code 02:01 Designing Questions That Go Beyond Tech 02:17 Sleep, Health, and Hobbies in Developer Life 02:32 Reaching Underrepresented Groups in Tech Surveys 03:30 Women’s Participation Rises to 15% 04:00 Poor Sleep Tops Developer Health Issues 05:15 Gender Differences in Workplace Conflict Response 06:00 Average Developer Sleep: 6.9 Hours 07:00 What Sleep Data Reveals About Developer Life 09:15 Engineer vs Developer: Salary Gap Explained 11:00 Company Size, Job Titles, and Pay Differences 13:00 Inclusivity, Open Source, and Community Spaces 15:15 How Age Impacts Discrimination in Tech 17:00 Culture Shifts and Values in the Tech Industry 18:45 Younger vs Older Devs on Free Speech and Politics 20:30 Future Survey Topics: Leaders, Politics & Perception 22:45 What the Data Reveals About Developer Diversity 25:15 Using the Survey API to Explore Your Own Insights 26:30 Fun Data Point: Minecraft Players & Relationships 27:30 Predicting the Future of Developer Happiness 30:15 Closing Thoughts & How to Join Next Year’s Survey We want to hear from you! How did you find us? Did you see us on Twitter? In a newsletter? Or maybe we were recommended by a friend? Fill out our listener survey (https://t.co/oKVAEXipxu)! Let us know by sending an email to our producer, Em, at [e-mail] (mailto:[e-mail]), or tweet at us at PodRocketPod (https://twitter.com/PodRocketpod). Follow us. Get free stickers. Follow us on Apple Podcasts, fill out this form (https://podrocket.logrocket.com/get-podrocket-stickers), and we’ll send you free PodRocket stickers! What does LogRocket do? LogRocket provides AI-first session replay and analytics that surfaces the UX and technical issues impacting user experiences. Start understanding where your users are struggling by trying it for free at LogRocket.com. Try LogRocket for free today. (https://logrocket.com/signup/?pdr) Special Guest: Sacha Greif.