A Knight's Tale

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Welcome to the polarized podcast. Glad to have you back if you're joining us again. This

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is a really special episode. Happy to introduce this pod, what this pod is about. It's about
polarizing movies, polarizing in the sense of Ron Tomato scores. Sometimes critics love
it and audiences hate it or vice versa. And now there's another another doorbell ring

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of words. Yeah, so those are the types of movies that we talk about polarizing since
we're on tomato scores. Like I said, today where we have an episode that's already off
the fucking rails. This episode is a night's tale. I'm sure you probably know if you clicked

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on this and saw the title of it. Today we're talking about the 2001 movie starring Heath
Ledger, Shannon Sassman. I mean, the list goes on. We'll talk about this wonderful cast
in length. I'm sure the score of this movie on Ron Tomatoes is 59% critics stinky and

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79% audience. So pretty, pretty solid. But you know, we'll see if yeah, how everybody feels
about those scores just in general. I am one person who is a host, but I have another person
who's a host as well. A co host. Sometimes we call him the forever guest. The man, the

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mystery, the legend. What other the white night? I'm going to, you know, the sake of
this episode. I'm going to I would like to introduce Mike James. Let's see. Hey, the
white night. Okay. All right. I did like I like the white Power Ranger and you know

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what color he was before white? He was green. It was green. Tommy. Yeah, Tommy. There we
go. He was any evolved. He did the old Gandalf treatment. If you know what I mean, except
from gray to white, he went from green to white. It's a it's a natural evolution. But

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I'm just James James the forever guest. You know, you could just you can just you can
just call me James. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks everybody. Thank you. James. Brandon, are you
I know you mentioned one of the one of the leads in this movie is a sauceman. Do you
consider yourself a sauceman? What's your favorite sauce? Oh my God. Damn it. I can't

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believe you asked that question because yeah. I think I know some people know me as quite
the sauce man, I would say. Yeah, when it comes to going to a restaurant that's got
some type of sauce available, I'm like, yes, please. More of the better if there's a bar

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of bar of salsa. And that's the best thing I think that can happen in the sauce department.
There's a whole department of sauces. I had such a good sauce. OK, so this is how much
of a sauceman I am. I went to the grocery store, got this sauce and it was a garlic
pepper sauce. And so it's like a you know, I would say like a typical like bottle, you

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know, akin to chelula or tap to whatever I crushed in four days. My God. I was like
everything. This garlic pepper sauce on it. And I was just a madman. A real sauce. Oh,
it came with a straw. Perfect. I'm like, oh, yum yum yum. It reminds me of like a good

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aioli, a solid solid aioli. You can't. Oh, right in the veins. Right in the veins. Just
suck it to me, baby. Well, as much as I enjoy being the forever guest, I think I want to
know some other people's favorite sauces as well. Oh, let's get it. Yeah, you know what?
We got open up the discussion. Let's open up the discussion. This is going to be a
wonderful episode. We got some wonderful guests. We have both of them returning. Yeah, I mean,

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let's let's introduce some James. Absolutely. We have to today. Two people, two more people.
Remember those people that persons that Brandini was talking about earlier? We got two more
of them. Real guests. Oh, my God. Not these fake ones like me. Oh, stop it. Here we go
again. All right. If you're forever here, it's I get that it's a lie. I appreciate it

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though. I wish that I could come up with like a Paul Betney style introduction for a car
and Nick. Let's fucking go. I tried. I tried. We got a car and Nicholas and I was super
high energy. That was wild. I tried. Yeah, I tried to pull out my Paul Betney. He's got

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to get into like the wrestling ring or something with that that type of introduction. Maybe
that's his second. That's his second career and he hasn't started it yet. I would actually
assume he's probably pretty averse to it now because because of this performance, he got
laryngitis. I can see why my voice is kind of feeling it already. Literally at the end

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of it got larynjitis because he was yelling too much and which was so funny to read because
and I'm like thinking about like current Betney performances and I'm like his in Marvel. What
does he vision is so subdued? It's so like whispery and whatnot. And I wonder if he's

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kind of a fullerized opposite. You know, like he's afraid. He's like, I can't I'm not going
to the damn larynjitis. He's like, I've already said too many words in my lifetime. It's what
yeah, it's what the people want. But I'm going with a different sense this time going with
think of me this time.

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I'm so first.
Take care of me.
Yeah, welcome back guys. That guy rules that Paul Betney guy. Oh my god. What a.
He rips he wraps he claps he rips. He rips he raps he rhymes he yells pop it flick it

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spin it rocks.
What's your favorite sauce Nicholas.
Favorite sauce.
I mean, favorite sauce business change with the genre of food though right. Overrile favorite
sauce would probably be a spicy Verde sauce for chili
Kilesh. But that's a good one. Nice.

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It's a little bit.
I'm super happy you all approve of my taste.
So would you say we're all so Cal
among so Cal friends.
Exactly. Exactly.
So you would say you're a Verde over a Roja.
Definitely a spicy Verde.
Sometimes you get the Verde sauce and it's just like
it's like sweet.

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It's like a yeah, it's not good.
Sometimes if it's not really good, then it comes out like
jelly like to it.
Yeah, because the tomatillos for sure.
I I mean, obviously, we've established that I'm a
sauceman, so I'm really tomatoist.
Your saucy makes I know I'm into all of it.
But I mean, I would say like a standard Verde is not

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that spicy, but it is so line forward.
And that's that.
Yeah, that's something you miss out of a Roja.
You know, it's definitely better.
It's kind of bite. Yeah.
Yeah, especially when it's lime, because lime, the
citrus in lime, the acidity and it makes you salivate.
So you taste more of what you're eating when you have
that in your mouth.

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A city of our city.
Of our city.
Yeah.
Bull.
Brito.
Bull.
We're so excited to talk about this movie.
We welcome everyone.
Hey, how are you doing?
I don't know.

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I'm up in front here.
Yeah.
No, sit right in front.
Yeah, it's OK.
I'm not going to bite.
I'm going to bite.
I'm going to bite.
Kara sauce.
Sauce Kara.
You know what sauce that gets me?
Sauce.
Hmm.
Is the Shannon variety?
I mean, I'm a big sauce girl, but.

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I can't think of a single sauce.
Stop it.
OK, what?
I hummus perhaps hummus counts.
No.
When was the last time you had breakfast tacos?
Like kimchi juice.
I mean, come on.
What about some wine?
That's juice though.
Yeah, I guess it'd be more.

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I guess it can't be a sauce.
Yeah, I guess like a spicy.
What is it called?
Like a spicy marinara sauce.
Oh, OK.
When was the last time you had pasta?
It's been a while.
I don't know.
Really?
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
We had pasta.
We went and visit Michelle, my sister and had pasta.

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Oh, yeah.
We did some angel.
Just like classic angel hair.
That was really good.
Oh, that's how Brandon feels all the time.
Angel hair pasta.
Yeah, I haven't told James this story about at Coachella.
Oh, great.
At the end of the night, we all asked ourselves what kind of pasta are we?
And I said an angel hair pasta.
I thought she was asking us what kind of noodle do you feel like right now?

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It was, you know, bodily.
I felt like just cooked pasta.
Yeah.
On the plate without sauce.
A little overcooked or you're perfectly al dente.
You're a little more.
More.
He was overcooked.
Overcooked for sure.
He was like, and there's a lot of pasta water.
Someone broke the noodles.

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If he was a penne, it would be the pennies are like breaking at the
end.
Yeah.
The frayed edges.
That's definitely a good description.
What did you say though?
That was my answer.
So I was a wet noodle that just, I was a wet spaghetti noodle.
Just come out of just come out of being boiled.

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It was on the plate without sauce.
So I was trying out.
That's like the kind of where sauce shines in a big way as pasta.
That's such like a center part of the dish of like, you can really just
have noodles and sauce and call it a day and.
And be all right.
So I mean, that's, that's a nice one for like front and center rather
than just like just a condiment.

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It's like, you know what?
The spotlight's on that sauce.
What are you going to say, Brandon?
Like dry noodles.
No, I was just going to say other.
I like noodles without sauce too.
Very similar to that would be like curry in my mind is also just a
sauce and a starch.

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So much.
And that's, and that's fine.
You know, it's, it's one of those things.
If you put stuff into the sauce, great, but.
You got your coconut curries.
Yeah.
I mean, some people dip like their french fries into curry.
Oh, I can see.
Sounds like the other day.

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I'm going to try the next time I do that.
Oh, well, shit, we got to go.
So I had that the other day at by me.
There's this place called Shakespeare's pub and they have Shakespeare.
Friends Shakespeare.
That's a man United bar.
It is.
You see Paul.
That's exactly.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Chaucer.
Yeah.
We had, man, I had no idea about like that being a real person.

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And what the kind of.
I was like, he's definitely a real person.
There he is.
I still have a high school.
Oh, that's like, yeah.
I was like, I think I still have it and I found it.
That's my sophomore.
That's sophomore year of high school right there.
I don't remember Jack shit, but yeah, you can see night's tail is the very first.
Yeah, I remember nothing.

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It's amazing though, just flipping through it how it is, you know, and this is coming.
Night's tail is the very first.
Myself, but it's like, wow, all of this run.
Oh, that's awesome.
All the way.
It's crazy.
This guy made this for I bought this.
It's called the night's tail.
Oh, yeah.
It rhymes the entire story.
Yeah, that's.
Oh, man.
The night's tail.

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Stories of old have made it known to us that there was once a dude called these yes, ruler
of Athens, Lord and governor, and him is time so great a conqueror.
There was none minor beneath the sun and many a rich country.
He had one and it goes for pages.
For you to say that looks like it was a long story.
They had a lot of time back then.

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They didn't even know a lot of time.
Now we have no time.
Yeah, no time to rhyme.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Your turn.
Tell my man.
All right.
That is the energy of this movie, isn't it?
Though, I mean, what we're just going to be.

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Yeah.
Was that.
Yeah, this is going to be a great episode.
Too late.
Before we do it.
Goulet.
Before we get into the movie proper, let's hear some personal anecdotes about
connections to this movie from the two of you.
I'd love to hear if you have a history with it.
I know, I think Nick definitely does, but yeah.

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Okay, I'll go first.
Like the time to think about it.
Like I was saying earlier, every, every time we're together as a family like now,
because when we were growing up and the movie came out and it was on TV,
like every day, every day, it's like one of those movies you always can watch.
But we, we've watched that movie as a family probably like 50 times.
And now when we go home for like Thanksgiving or Christmas,

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that's like one of our holiday movies that we put on.
It's my brother's favorite.
Apparently my brother's favorite movie because he's named in his baby boy,
William, after the care.
Oh, wow.
That's right.
That's how we started this.
I forgot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My brother's name.
I'm going to be an uncle in two months.
To Sir William.
To Sir William.
To a Thatcher.
You're a Thatcher.

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I'm definitely going to call him that.
I'm never calling him Bill.
You got to call him Sir Ulrich.
Yeah.
Actually, that would be offensive.
You got to call him.
We're family.
We're family.
I can use the first name.
He's not going to be my, well, he might be my Lord because probably going to run us
in circles.
That's the hope, right?

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Hey, that's hope.
Hey, that's the hope.
You know what?
Hey, God willing.
Oh, well.
You'll be blind.
Like fixing a net and he'll come in and he'll be like, do you know a Nicholas
Schulte?
Oh, he lives right over there at Cheapside.
And they'll come in and they'll be Nick with the net and then and then

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William will come and hang out with old, old Nick Schulte and the net, the net maker.
He's blind at that point.
And he's just one of those.
Oh, I'll fix the leak.
He won.
He won.
He won.
Oh, I'm making a making a net or something.
Making that fish.

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Making that fish.
Come back tomorrow.
I'm almost done.
It's be ready tomorrow.
You nailed it.
You nailed it.
I'm not.
I'm not seeing this movie way too many times.
I know.
I just don't know.
I just think he's a little hollywood.

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Oh, yes.
He Brandon's got this direct line to Hollywood.
If you ever.
Oh my God.
That's so much better.
It was a direct line to the police.
So we see solid.
No, that's a different color.
Direct line to Cheapside.
Oh, that's.
That's a different.
God, I want to watch like a wire type show that just takes

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place in Cheapside.
There's a ton of storylines that you follow there.
I can say this now.
One of the reviews I was pulling up for for later was from David Sims,
a letter box review, and it was something to the effect of like, give me a
like first person mode on Jeffrey Chaucer in this movie.
Just like a first person camera camera and just his life walking around.

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Because yeah, I could just watch Paul Bettany, just origin story as
as a, oh, sorry, Nick's taking a call.
Sorry. What I was saying was just
uninteresting. You think he's got this big calling?
He's got to go back.
It's a thatcher life for me.
All right, bye.
The audacity.

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Wow.
God forbid you take the call after.
That's is that it was work related.
Nobody can do anything when I'm not there.
Hey, if we're out of this beer, we're not out of the beer.
I just saw the two Kegs in the fridge yesterday.
There's no way we went through them.
Oh, OK. Cool.
I'm going to watch the other one now.
Yeah, I'm doing a podcast.

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You're probably right.
I could have taken that call later, but you know what?
I quit. I'm a professional podcaster now.
Yeah. Yeah.
This is way more enjoyable than my job.
So you know what I love about this movie is that they didn't have phones back then
to interrupt. God, it's so true.
And they were just living in the moment.
Oh my God. Wow.
Living in the moment. What's that like?

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I should just be wearing my I'm sorry bucket hat.
Yeah, you should all the time.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, I want to hear a car.
If you have any history with Night's Tale, I know
maybe with any year, a big fan of 10 things I hate about you with Heath Ledger.

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Do you remember seeing that movie beforehand at all?
And do you have any memory of seeing Night's Tale itself?
Yes, I did watch 10 things I hate about you.
I don't know if I like at the time realized
I must have known I was the same guy.
I just it didn't it didn't really phase me.
But I don't have like a big history of it.
I just remember loving it so much.
And it was like one of those movies that yeah, that would play on TV all the time.

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And I would watch it every time I was on.
And I think it was kind of also one of the first movies that made me fall in love
with like medieval costumes and just that whole world.
Like I remember being excited, even as a young kid.
Like I want to go to the Renaissance Fair because of that.
And so it was just an introduction to.

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Like, yeah, evil stuff on TV, for me, at least, you know.
So definitely feels like a renaissance renaissance fair energy in this.
Yeah, this movie.
Absolutely. And it's mainly focused with the trappings of just
what you would see at a Renaissance Fair, doesn't go venture out much further than that.
It's also not beholden to being like period specific.

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Yeah, it was.
You know, it's very general.
Yeah, it's which it was interesting to hear.
It's a feel good, fun film.
Directors relationship to the like the music, because the music plays a big part.
And how his idea of it was he wanted to put music that would elicit the same

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response that music of the time would.
So obviously in that time, it wouldn't wouldn't been Queen and all of that stuff.
But it would have elicited the same type of like, wow, here we go.
This is just, you know, it's a great idea.
And it's like almost overused at this point in time where at the time it was

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more of a novel concept, I think of like mashing those two together.
And like a, you know, in the, yeah, in the medieval times sort of way.
I'm I would try to think of other examples.
I think like, you know, the cool music and pulp fiction was it was a start.
But like, I'm almost thinking of like when Black Knight came out, that was
was another one that was like trying to modern or Kate Leopold is that?

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Or like Blast for the Past or something like Romeo and Juliet.
Romeo and Juliet.
That's a great stylistic comparison for sure.
Very and bringing that, you know, just huge modern sensibility and vision.
You know, just huge modern sensibility and visuals and music.
Because yeah, I mean.
Romeo and Juliet was such a fucking massive movie.

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Big time.
And soundtracks at this time in general.
Totally. Yeah.
Because I mean, if you were to think about music at the time, it's it's very
much you're starting people are like into charts.
There's places you could go that would feature like here are the top, you know,
artists in the front when you walk in and everybody's really starting to get into,

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you know, like CDs and exchanging music.
And so this having like.
A combination of videos and music videos to which this movie
definitely plays like a music video a lot of times, you know, which yeah, again,
I think this movie is really smart to not be beholden to needing to be up its own

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button. It has to be periods.
I mean, you know, and dry and like just sometimes they're so like dramatic
and heavy, you know, period pieces.
And so this is just lighthearted and fun, but you can still experience
watching a piece, you know, like in the scene where they're coming back into

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like they're coming back into town for his first time and the boys are back in town.
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
After the like saddest moment in the movie to in my mind was like I was actually
getting emotional as well, because that's when is it's doing the flashback of his
father, father, and then it cuts right back to him.
And like it's teeth is like white tears and he's such a great act,

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because you can see it like the pain and everything.
But it's they're like, hey, it's London.
The boys have a good time.
Yeah, cool.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, let's just keep on having fun.
And like it hangs on that for a second, but you got your guys are so right that it
it skates above the surface of those things in a way that a sports movie with

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this movie essentially is a sports movie where Jouss where Jouss sing is the sport
is your sport.
And that's what it's concerned with more than anything.
Like there's an actual war being fought by by our nemesis.
And you hear how his his methodology is very cruel and everything, but it
that you get a brief moment of that, but then it's just him looking at the stats.

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You know, you're reading like, you know, like all the stats of the Joussers
because they have how they have so many shields.
Because he's like, oh, Rick, oh, Rick, oh, Rick.
The shield and the insignia, if I can say one thing, and we watched a
little couple of deleted scenes earlier and there was like multiple scenes
about the making of that insignia.

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And they have that they're hanging up by the campfire and he's like, oh, it
should be a Phoenix like rising from the ashes.
And then and then Ward's like, oh, it should be a lion because lions are cool.
And they're like, no, lions are overused.
And like, what about three Phoenixes?
Because there's three of us.
So there's it's a three Phoenix insignia throughout the whole movie.
It was kind of cool to think about like there's there is a reason to that.

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And they had a couple of scenes attached to it.
But when you see that shield, there's three Phoenixes on the on the shield
he rides with. That's very awesome.
Oh, so speaking of what?
What is the war? What is this one?
I thought they were saying war, but maybe they're saying one in English.
That's it.
Well, totally.

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Wait, that reminds me of a time when I when I when I was younger,
my neighbor across the street was British.
And so his name was Clark, but like they would say clock.
So I kept calling him a clock for the last time.
Your name was clock.
Yeah, like his name was clock, but it's Clark.
But it was like they spoke in a British accent.

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Yeah, so I'd be like clock.
Clock.
They never did.
Did you learn it on your own?
Did they correct you at some point?
I must have they must have corrected me at some point because I remember
realizing that it was wrong.
But yeah, I did call him clock.
He's like, that little girl that calls me clock. She's so cute.

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Yeah, right.
You're not going to correct a little girl.
This little Korean girl.
Whatever.
I don't give a shit.
Oh, it's her baby mind.
Yeah.
Do you have a minute?
Can I play?
So you've been calling me.
You've been calling me clock and it's what?

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So you've been calling me clock and it's very weird and I don't understand
what your problem is with me, but it's Clark.
Yeah, what's your fucking problem?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Wow.
Yeah, if I can share like my brief story with like this, this movie was just

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yeah, see my my aunt and I would go see movies together and I think she saw that
this was a movie that she would be interested in and saw that it'd be a
movie for boys.
Definitely.
This movie was like targeted not to be like, you know, but it was just like the action
and a young boy at that time for medieval times and swords and and and all that sort

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of thing.
It just looked really cool with all the music and rock and roll and that was something
that she took me to had a great time.
I think the music while a lot of it as it plays now is like very stereotypical, like
what an obvious song choice.
Yeah, always are back in town and like taking care of business.

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And those things are like kind of like rock you.
You rock your first joust.
The dying light of I think those kind of songs being effective and being able to do
montages and things like that with these kind of songs and get away with it.
Like, like, I'm too sexy for my you know, you just you just can't do and I'm too sexy

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montage anymore.
And I feel like this is kind of the waning era of those kind of songs.
But also, I think it's just emblematic or like it's kind of like what's to come and
other movies where record scratch sort of dropping famous songs are almost abused in
the past.

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Nowadays, like the first Suicide Squad where it's just you use that as like an excuse
as to not applying any sort of plot development or character to anybody.
You just like play a song and just like, oh, yeah, that's you get what's what's
happening here, which can be good.
But when it's overused, it can be ineffective.
And the way that this movie uses it is awesome to combine a modern sports movie with

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medieval times is a blast.
And I did not realize until watching it today.
I've seen this movie many times.
I feel like, too, that it's almost two and a half hours long.
It's two hours.
Really?
It doesn't really like it.
I just kind of blows by a little bit.
I always feel like it's short.
You agree?
Yeah, I agree.

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But that's why because we're having so much fun.
It flies by so quickly.
Where do you think it drags the most Brandon?
It drags when it's all about the like the bad guy.
What is his name?
Rufus Count.
I don't know.
He's trying to he's trying to figure out.
Count Fogtard.
Count Fogtard.

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Let's go home that perfect.
He's trying to expose William.
William, you know, that Adam are.
Rufus.
There you go.
And then.
Yeah, there's I would say like a little bit.
And then the last half point, it, like.
It drags and then it picks back up again towards the end.

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But a lot of that too is just the way that it's edited and the
way that it's shot is there's a lot of time.
I felt like that was spent just.
Like, let's go.
Let's yeah, we get it.
We get what's happening.
Like, let's get back to it.
Like how much?
Oh, you know what really dragged for me was when he is not winning

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Shannon Sosman, which I really, really want to talk about, because that whole thing and concept is
really crazy. That dragged a lot because it's just a lot of like him on the horse and just getting
hit over and over again. And I really could have used like instead of the
silly, I would argue, text in the beginning of the movie, very beginning, where it describes

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the night is over the hill, which I immediately was like, that's so funny that just describing him
as being over the hill and all that. Like, yeah, I would say I needed more understanding of what
the rules of jousting are. There was a lot of this movie where I'm like,
why is he able to just be on the horse and take this? Or what is up with him in the ends of being

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the prince or king or whatever? And then like staying, we're kind of like not forfeit, but like
there's a lot of there could have been jousting info. I mean, like a little bit more of the live
update sort of thing. Like that's where like an announcer in a sports movie would be nice or like,
it looks like he's up two flags to zero. What is he doing? It looks like he's just sitting there,

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not doing anything. He looks like he's going to take it. That's completely legal because it's such
and such. But the only thing that's really said is by Count Adolfio, where he's rolls up to Sassman
and he's like, oh, do you know the rules? She's like, I don't quite understand. He's like, well,
let me mansplain them to you. And he said, yeah, does a brief little like whatever, like what is

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it one flag for a hit, two flags or something like a helmet gets knocked off or something like
broken lance, two for two, three, three for unhorsing on two for the whole thing. Yeah. And
then you're trying to get to like five or seven or something like that. And you see the flags
coming up every now and then. But I do agree. There could have been those scenes could have been

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used a little bit more to have some commentary either by Betany or some of the other guys to be
like, this is what the stakes are. And this is what's going on now. And when I wanted to go back
that one part, I will agree where you said it does drag. I had that was where I had my one issue
this time watching it where there seems to be like this forced conflict that's put upon the

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movie because things are just going so well. So well. And I do like that because this movie is
breezy. I love it. And then it never goes goes too dark or anything. But there is a moment where
he's gone, the villain. And then he just starts getting pissy at Sosman for like what seems to
be like no fucking reason. He's like, yeah, well, you can't eat a flower and you can't. What can you

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do with the fucking flower? What can you do with the rose? You can't do shit with the rose. It's
fucking pointless. Just like just like you. And it's like he's winning. He's just catching fucking
dub after dub and and villain homeboys pissed off. But he's still just like it's not enough. I got
to put him on his back and it's like, why is he getting so upset about nothing and get taken it

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down on on Sosman was my one issue. And there seemed to be like a contrived conflict, which is
resolved in a very romantic, fun way where they all like tag team a love letter. I love that part.
Oh my God. Well, I want to talk to you have been found.
The cast in this movie is inspired. I love the cast of this movie. Yes. I like we had talked about

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how they're going to add into the Oscars on award for casting director. I think it's going to
Oh, nice. Alison Jones. She's going to clean up on everything. I'm always like, oh, Alison Jones.
That's my Alison Jones. So they don't even need to have the category. They already have a winner.
They already have a winner. That's fine. You can just never win. It's like the Alison Jones.

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The best Alison Jones goes to.
But yeah, the casting this movie is fucking inspired. I love the choice of Alan Tudyk.
I love the choice of Mark. Like those are such great fucking characters. And also, too, I was

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always like really just pleasantly surprised by the size of Mark Addie. So that would be Roland,
the guy who plays King Robert King Robert and Game of Thrones. Yeah. I forgot. I knew he was
familiar. Yeah. Fred Flintstone at a point. Did you go to Vegas? Is it that one?

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He went to Vegas. People want Vegas. Fuck. Okay. I went to Vegas. I'm like, surely Goodman is the
first one. The first one is good. But yeah. Yeah. But Dabba do do God. I'm not going to say that.
I told a joke. That was I'm not going to say it. Don't tell that one. Well, now I have to.

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It's it's. Oh, you don't.
Just kidding. I'm kidding. Please share. Do tell. It's not my joke. It's from the Black Women Comedy
show or sketch show is the name of it. And there's this one joke that like killed me over
because it just has this such a good punchline and twist to it where they're all sitting around

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and they're talking about like love interests and sex in general. And one of the girls was like,
he had a Fred Flintstone dick. And so at first you're like immediately you're like, oh, so he
has a dick that's like kind of like a rock. But then she then very quickly she's like,
it takes feet to get started. It's a living. Which is such a funny joke.

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But I was so pleasantly surprised by the Mark and Mark. Seriously, but seriously,
but on a serious note, on a serious one. Don't dig.
But Mark Addy is the one who's the really sentimental guy and the and the one that's like

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making the clothes and helping with the letter because I don't know. I feel like most movies,
it would be Alan Tudyk would be that person because he's less imposing. He's more of a like
meeker or like a thinner guy. And that typically like stereotypically is always like the emotional guy.

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And then the bigger guy is always the one that's like, I'm going to beat everybody up. Who's trying
to get at will. I will follow you. But the flip of that was wonderful. And both of those actors
are incredible. Like I think Alan Tudyk and Mark Addy rip. They're so like there are times in the
movie where Alan Tudyk is like teary and like really just so invested in this stuff and his

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energy of excitement, his energy of frustration is so great. Like he he is so tuned into this
movie. So is Mark Addy. And then Paul Bendy. I mean, let's let's talk about the the bent man.
I mean, I just gotta say Mark Addy has daddy energy.
Oh, I'm kidding. He's kind of like the caregiver. All kind of daddies. They're all kind of daddies.

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So in a fuck Mary kill. Oh, God. What is it? What is your crew? I just want to be a part of that
fucking crew, man. When they're looking, we'll get back to this question for sure. But when they're
looking down on the bad guy at the end and they're like all together, I'm like, I want to jump over
the top of him. Oh, yeah. Jump right in. Like, OK, break. Yeah. OK, let's go. Oh, God. Mary kill out

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of those three will Mary Heath. You got to marry William. Well, no, he doesn't count, right? Because
is it? Yeah. Oh, no, no, he does. Oh, it's been Oh, Benny, Tudyk and OK. Yeah. Shit. Mary, Mary.
King Robert. OK, fuck. But me and I'm sorry to do that. He married Daddy. OK, Tudyk is combat

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if he wants to fight. So let's fucking go. And then I'm going to kill him. And then I'm going to marry
Daddy. You marry Daddy. Mark Daddy. Yeah. And just bang. How about you, Kara?
I'm going to have to do the same. Yeah. You already called him Daddy. So that's a given.
All right, you bring it. For me, it's going to be God fuck that knee.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. It's the right answer. You're right.
We're all on the same page here. That's a bummer about Alan. But, you know, I get it.
Are you going to save Tudyk or are you just going to kill him, too?
No, I would do the same thing. OK. Yeah. OK. I guess it wasn't that complicated.

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How long you Daddy energy? Yeah. There's I mean, there's just after after this movie came out,
those he was the dad and like some I forget the sitcom that he was on, but he was the dad and
a show where like right after that movie came out. Which which person?
Daddy. Mark. Yeah. OK. Howdy the daddy. Howdy the daddy. Who would have known?

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Who would have known, man? Yeah. Yeah. He's absolutely amazing. I mean, that's a great point
with like Tudyk and and and daddy because like you you would think it would be switching around.
But I like that it plays a lot more with Tudyk's like insecurities.
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe like it seems like he's really trying to like puff up his chest even more because

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he's like compensating for something, you know. Yeah. Absolutely. When Paul Batten,
he's so so calm, cool, collected sort of thing. Right. For the most part.
Yeah. Yeah. He's just got one one glaring issue. And there is one other deleted scene where he's
just walking around naked and they all like like we're like what's the matter, man? Like what the

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what the fuck? Why did you do this again? He's like what? What's he's like? They're like, well,
you can't believe your clothes is like my clothes are right there. What? He's like,
why are you walking around naked? He's like, my lady was hungry. And he's like,
he says my wife, my wife. So it's like he's like, he has a wife. He's married. Yeah. Which he

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actually kind of little. Oh, do you think he was just like saying that? I think he fooled them.
Tudyk was like, oh, I thought I thought it was a prostitute's sorry. But then I don't know. I
think he actually fooled him. I think it was. But I would just say that's kind of unsurprising
because it's not like Benny is like sleeping around. Like you don't see Benny. I thought he
was gay, to be honest. Really? Oh, interesting. I mean, I the only thing very fluid. I don't know.

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I feel like he's just in a pile of pile of people. Yeah. It does seem like he's sleeping around
and he's fluid. Doesn't know. It seems like that guy. It was just. This is a Zoolander situation.
It's a Zoolander situation. It's a night's tale. Oh, and then he's in the time machine

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as David Philby. That's nice. And then he's in this movie called The Order from the same
director. It also starts he let Heath Ledger also stars Shannon. So I'm an ensoucement and I've
never seen it, but I think I might check it out because it's has all the all the same people.
He's Fryer Tuck in the Rob Ridley Scott Robin Hood. And I think that's great casting as well.
That's great. So fire Tuck is perfect for him, too. Right. That's a perfect role for him. Yeah.

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He's a perfect man. He's a perfect man. And this is a fantastic movie. I mean, so yeah, we talk
music. We talk people. The plot. He's we haven't talked to you though. Before we get into perfection.
Let's go. I miss that man so much. It was so interesting to watch this movie at this point

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in my life now looking at Heath because he is so representative of a particular type of like
like type of like sex symbol almost, you know, of that time because now, you know,
main like lead actors and all of that. It's so much about like being really built or they're just

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there's so much more imposing. And there were so many moments in this movie, like especially when
he's like laying in bed and Shannon comes in his arms are up on his. I mean, he's just waiting for
her and then he's got the covers up and it just there's something about him that it's like
he's so physically he was so physically interesting to kind of just think about because

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he is kind of like boyish or like yeah, like has has this thing to him where he I don't know how
yeah, he's not imposing at all. Leans way more into the like leading man of what is he thinking?
What's going on? He's proving this. What's going on in that head? He does that and he's

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about you too with the arms up like that. That's like his move like he fudgers move. He's like
chilling like this. He's got these little arms. No, they're I mean, they're kind of long because
he's lanky. I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm just a little yeah, size wise. I mean, not so much to
like, but yeah. Physicality is a big part of his charm and his charm is just a big part of his

(43:34):
success as as an actor. I think that dancing scene is something that is difficult to pull off in it
not be. I don't know. I think there's a fine line for me in that scene which I love. There's a fine
where I feel like if there's someone else doing this, I'd be like,
that looks weird.
Like, oh, yeah.

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But then like, yeah, because he moves.
He and him and Sassman, like, yeah.
Yeah.
And that little hop he does in the dance,
like he does that in 10 things I hate about you, too.
Like he's just he seems like a goofy guy, like just kind of like.
Yeah, I don't know.
Betany too, Tudik as well, daddy.
Like their chemistry all together as a crew, it just just comes together so well.

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And then Sassman and her pal, it's like her maiden.
Yeah, that that whole back and forth between them is a big portion of this movie.
And I for the most part like it, the losing thing I think is toxic.
And I think it's called for.
And I don't think it's cute anymore.

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But I'm glad I got to win after.
But in another scene that I really liked was the church scene where
he she does ask him to do that.
But the way that shot kind of surprised me.
I was like, wow, this is an amazing like pan with him walking left to right
towards her, kind of chasing after her, giving bad poetry about horses, flanks.

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And then she kind of rebuffs him and it goes right to left as she's like,
well, lose for me.
And then he's like backing off.
And I thought that was really well constructed scene.
And there's a lot of crowd work in this movie that is handled well
from like a from these like big wide shots.
And the action, I mean, they they hollowed out

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balsa wood for the wances and were able to really hit the guys with it
because they would just explode like that.
And they like filled it with like dry pasta.
I think speaking of fucking pasta, not like it, not like a nick noodle,
but like, yeah, like a firm dry noodle.
And one of those like a little bit like a what's his face?

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Like a count of Dolfio, just saying like, you know, this.
Oh, my God, the fact that he like, he just crumble.
That was so weird to me that he was like the person presented him
this lance that was a spear.
But then he disintegrated it before the fight.

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It was broken as a broken tip.
So it almost seemed like proof of concept to him of like, OK,
you bring me this broken lance.
I'll take it, cover it with hard rock sugar, whatever she said it was.
And you paint it black and then give it back to you as like proof of concept.
And then you can give me a real one after Adam.
But it does get the point across, I guess.
I'm surprised he didn't poison that shit gladiator style.

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Could you imagine, right?
Also, too, it's it's one of those things where I get not to nitpick.
But like, where is the like kind of refereeing there where it's like?
Like it goes to all the other characters and everybody's like,
look, it's the pointed thing and everybody recognized.
Oh, this guy is, you know, it's called a land to learn.

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Playing dirty. And then.
But that's not a.
Yeah, but also that time frame, you know, that time frame.
Everyone is like, to my side, as everybody has honor, right?
They're going to when you're out, why are you just staying and shooting people
without killing them with their swords or whatever?
But he everybody in the ring is supposed to have, you know, honor.

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And he's that would make seem like the extra villain because he doesn't have honor.
He fights dirty.
Yeah, no, I get that.
But then there's also a lot of time spent in this movie talking about
like you need to be here at this certain time.
You have to have these papers and you have to have all these like requirements for stuff.
And so it's like, well, OK, so it had a governing body.

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But that was like referees where Betney shined was just like, oh, you need
you need me to talk some people over just like, you know, present the arms or whatever it is.
But the the obsession from the villain towards
our guy, William was funny at times, this this watch, because I just thought

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the obsession for him and then for both of each other.
And even when he was locked up, I thought they were going to kiss at one point
because there's just like so much sexual tension.
But at the dance, I just thought it was so funny as well, where he's just on his ass so much.
We was like, hey, sir, Ulrich, why don't we see a dance from Liechtenstein or whatever it is?

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And it's like, oh, God.
And then when he does leave the dance on, I don't know if you guys notice.
He fucking like.
Start almost starts to cry.
He starts to cry right before me really heavily.
He's like right before he storms out of the castle.
Yeah. And he's like a panic attack and he storms out.

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So it was all three of us watched that scene before you got onto the podcast.
It's like.
Also that the villain, I hate David Bowie.
You know, I can't think help but think of the past episode we did the holiday,
which he also plays obscenity, the villain in that as well.

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And it's it's always so funny to just see an actor who has a face like that just gets.
Yeah, I don't lean.
He's a typecast.
As the.
Yeah.
He's just he's always the he's always the up his own ass dick.
And that's just his whole career.
Yeah.
I remember he was an old.
I don't remember too much about his character.

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I just remember him being there.
He was.
He was the doctor.
He was the doctor that ends up getting like dementia, I think.
Ah, yes. Yes.
What ends up happening?
You know, he gets old.
He gets old.
Yeah, it's old.
Well, yeah, I'm done to kind of start wrapping up here.
I'm looking at some of my notes.

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You got a joust trophy for the sword fighting contest.
I thought that was weird where like they're presenting the trophies and
so on, where he didn't win the joust, but then they're like for sword on foot.
So all right, can they hand him the trophy and it's a dude with the jousting
with the lance and he's on horse.
And I was like, why did they give him that one?
This for the sort of.
On the.
Yeah, where's the guy with the sword?

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Yeah, absolutely.
I owe to that point, too, is I did find it kind of fun and amusing that
the wards that they won and like you got to see a little bit of this
like fencing and like selling off of that, which is I did like that.
I don't know.
You take your share and she just knocks the head off.
Right. Yeah.
He like breaks apart this statue and he's like, you get this and then you get this.

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I like the sort of like taking extra Florence.
Why like why not?
I like the kind of how they treat money here.
It's like, yeah, take a little take a little money.
Yeah, here we go.
And it's not money.
It's like gold.
Yeah, Florence, silver and gold Florence.
Because they mentioned so they get like 15 silver for the first tournament.

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And then they like notice this time where I haven't seen this movie too much
but Benny is like, yeah, I own like 20 gold Florence or some shit like that.
And they're like, what?
Yeah, two dicks like about to rip his head off.
There's the Nike symbol by the armor.
I thought that was a fun touch.

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We haven't talked about her grade.
Excellent.
Yeah. Excellent.
You know what?
And she also gets into this like side of the movie that I I found really
interesting is this movie has a lot of I don't know, isn't so boy heavy.
I think there is like a feminine sensibility to this movie.
That was really surprising.

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You know, like it's a romance.
Yeah, she's the she's the only like armorer.
That's a that's a she, you know, like it's a male dominated industry.
And then she comes in and makes that makes that armor for him.
That's super thin and lightweight.
And then everybody's like laughing at him until he.
Hops up on the horse by himself.
And then it's just they all just go silent.

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Like, oh, shit, that's really good.
I wish I could turn my neck.
Right.
I mean, that's where I want to be one of those ADR guys in the background
like, oh, damn, that's awesome.
I was just like saying silly stuff.
Right.
You just see the crowd noise and you just hear, look at that.

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Look at that horse.
Is that looks like weight?
That's a well-behaved horse.
It's a horse, of course.
Yeah, I thought she was really great, especially the scene where they're
writing this the note to Shannon Sossman, like her involvement in it.

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Also, too, just the way that, yeah, there was some of that
relationship between them of them.
Not just the way that she was.
Them of them not looking at her so much as like a second class citizen
and looking at her more as an equal.
And there was some of that.
And it was really also funny.
The way my mind worked on this is like in relation to John Tucker must die.

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I was like, this movie nails the Beck Dell test in like two minutes.
Like, she's not talking about a guy.
She's just talking about, like, at one point, like she's just talking about
the work or like what's going on with her.
And it's just like such great character stuff.
And it's not talking to another woman, though.
I'm trying to think of this actually does because of the only two women
that are talking to this.
Sossman and her friend about how they can get Sir.

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Oh, shit, that's right.
Oh, fuck.
But this is I mean, this time and setting of this movie is a is a tough one
to to tap into that.
But I'm sure maybe Sossman and her friend have at least maybe one
conversation that's about something else.
I'm sure, right?
But I. Yeah, I like that.
I do like that they don't continue to chide her and continue to poke at her

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for being a woman.
Blacksmith.
It's brought up once they they like.
And then she's like, oh, it's because I'm a woman and she tries to get ahead of it.
And she's and Heath is like, they never even mentioned that.
They just said, like, you're only good with horseshoes and shite with armor.
And then she just takes offense to her skill as an armor.
It takes offense to her being in just her style, the sexism.

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And then that is where it kind of lies.
And it never is brought up again.
And I, yeah, I appreciate that.
And then she just drops one line about her husband dying.
And it's like, you don't really want to go further with that.
Everyone has their story in this fucked up medieval world.
And it's almost kind of nice when they're like, yeah, I haven't been back
to London in five years.
And he's like, yeah, like fucking 12 years from me or whatever.
And there's a lot that can go on in there and everyone has their story

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on the road and everything.
And that's the whole D&D ballers gate side of it that I that I like.
And I also like I'm rambling, but the little raft where you pull the chain
across, that's got a nice cinematic effect of like the father leaving.
And he just.
Raises a wave and fades into the fog.
That's like the it's the thing from the sherry or that case

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have a cross in Lord of the Rings.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Get off the road.
That's a little.
That makes that reminds me of a very poor use.
Of music in this is them training montage is soundtrack by Lowrider.
Yeah, there's a fuck was that about.

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I don't know.
He should have had like a horse that was like a tiny, tiny legs.
And it like.
Yeah.
Try to make a little bit of fucking.
Fucking yeah, he just has many horse.
He just has many horse that that was rough.
And then there's this the meet queue when he first sees her and is following her

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on the horse into the church.
The track that's I know you like a car, but the track that's playing during
that whole part is like.
Awful, really bad.
And it really bad like like it'd be playing like Beverly Hills 90210
or something in the background and it's barely speaks of the time.
And maybe it's maybe it's cool for that of like a romantic meet queue,

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but it's like electric guitar generic like.
And then he's just like, it just goes off for a bit.
But then it goes back with a really great score later.
I don't know.
There's really great, like actual score to.
I can't remember the specific song, but I liked how kind of like cheesy
and tacky that scene was like I was I was open to it being like.

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Silly and like the romcom aspect of it.
But I don't remember the song specifically, but I remember it was very generic
and almost like a pre-fix on.
I kind of love that.
Like he's like looking around for her and then she's like in the background.
Is that the scene you're talking about?
She's got the white hat.
She's okay.

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Let's talk.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We haven't gotten to that.
We haven't gotten to that.
It's a nice movie.
Your hair, your hair color.
The one where she's like walking in the back and he's like looking for her
and she's like in the background above.
Uh huh.
Yeah, she goes up to the second level.
I think it's hilarious.
The church.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's hilarious.
I mean, all of that.
The song I can't remember.

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Yeah.
I mean, all of that is really good.
And I and it's to this movie's credit, like the them falling in love
and all their relationship stuff does work.
You know, I mean, sure, we can say what you will about the him
needing to take a knee and all of that stuff.
But like, I don't know the chemistry between the two of them was great.

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You know, and you really believed that them falling in love.
And agreed.
Yeah.
I didn't.
Didn't they date after this movie, too, though?
I would not be there.
Really?
I think they did because then the order the order they did again.
Yeah.
I assume that, oh, maybe that's just me.
I assume that maybe after that, because then your daddy movies,

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other stuff.
Oh, our daddy and Sassman, daddy and Sassman.
But just one last thing on that music, James, is I made a note of it.
I was like, this music.
I did the same thing.
I was like, this is really bad.
Because it was like very 2001, like Bromcom.

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But then this is the original movie put on top of it, like flutes
or like some type of like medieval instrument on it.
And I was like, oh, my goodness.
This is P.U.
And also, too, I was also still thrown by the low writer song.
Being the second like jukebox song in the movie was such a misfire for me

(58:31):
where I'm like low writer.
Just OK, fundamentally, I like the song low writer.
I don't want to.
I want to put that out there.
I like the song low writer, but like.
Like that had nothing to do with the training montage.
Like, right?
There's no.
There's nothing about low writer where you're like, we're getting ready.

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No, it's just a fun song.
So maybe that's more of what it was.
It was fun to keep the movie in a fun, upbeat way instead of actually
trying to tie it into like they do it.
The boys are back or we will rock you.
Like that wasn't what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah, all the songs are just like fun, upbeat songs.
Like there's no. Yeah.

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The other ones make more sense.
I agree.
Then then low writer and I'm even trying my my bestest to even make it.
I'm like, well, he's not on a horse.
He's just trading on the boat.
So maybe it's a little lower than the horse.
I don't know.
He's on the boat.
He's low riding on the boat into the into the hoop.
Yeah, just also, too, like fundamentally, the the BPMs of that song

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to what was happening was like so at odds with each other where it's like
we're speeding up because we're learning and we're getting better.
And then low.
Right.
Or like we're also taking it easy and staying real low, low riding and chilling.
We're just mad chilling.
And I was like, wait, there's a gajillion songs you could have picked.

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And you chose that one.
And then also, too, I had mentioned this before we started recording,
but James, I want to talk to you about this is golden.
What is it?
Golden hours by golden years.
Great song, but weird choice for that.
I thought it was I did not expect that was the one that I did not expect.
All these other ones are like, yeah, of course.
And then that one was like, that's it.

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This is used in some stuff, but like not as like, yeah, overplayed
as some of the other ones.
And that was I liked it because the movie was the movie was the first
time I'd ever heard that song.
Probably me, too.
That's very. Yeah, I get it.
And I think it was doing.
I was because the chord progression, everything in the renaissance style

(01:00:44):
Baroque sort of way it was playing the song beforehand, I'm pretty sure
was just the golden years, like in that style, because I was like,
this is sounding familiar.
And then it slowly kind of transitioned into the real one,
which I'm pretty sure they did like almost golden years, kind of like
version and like an imitiable style.
So the transition medieval golden years, I think so.

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And I like that dance.
So it was cool how it was shot and then his little twirl and then their
chemistry dancing was should not have worked as well as it should as well.
It did.
And that has a lot to do with the cast and the energy was like
improvised in some of this, too, from all it seemed like everyone had a lot
of space to have fun and work and luckily that paid off.

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And because I don't think it does every time.
And it must have been in Allison Jones situation.
Well, that's what I was telling James is like, it seems like it would have
been so fun to work on this movie, like with the costumes, the setting or like
the set pieces and like just the cast, like everyone looks like they're

(01:01:49):
just having a good time.
And like, I love the cast seems like they're all friends.
Yeah.
Or just like having a good time and like the director seems like he's also
having a good time, like, and that's what I love.
Maybe sometimes a little too much fun, if you.
Yeah, there were times in this movie where there's like weird slow moes and he.

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OK, the way that I felt about the direction of this movie was.
Very uneven.
First and for the full stop, because.
Yeah, like sometimes it's it's presented very well, like this is, you know,
an action sequence and it's, you know, the way that it's just the scenes can start
to gray, but then there's these just weird flourishes throughout the movie

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that sometimes I loved and sometimes I was like, what are we doing here?
Like the speed ramping at weird.
Yeah, it was not my favorite.
Down. It's a big.
But other brands.
And it's like they were like they dropped the frame rate sort of thing where it's
like they'll do a close up of sauce with reacting and it'll be like skipping
frames so she can like it so it seems more dramatic and it's just tricking

(01:03:02):
you into thinking that. But yeah.
Yeah. And also the flashbacks, the way that's handled to is like a little very.
Yeah. That's that's that's a student filmy where like remember how every
going into every memory, there's like a lot of weird visual.
It was a white it was a whiteout.
And especially when he gets smacked in the face with the the launch. Hello.

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He goes back the first time and I don't know, man.
It's there's something I agree.
It's cheesy about it.
And this whole movie, there's it skims above the surface.
It's almost two and a half hours long.
But.
God damn it, like there's the pros, pros kind of.
Yeah, well, outweigh the cons for me, spoiler alert.
But I realized that like maybe it should go deeper in certain areas,

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but I am happy it didn't.
And and one of those was the you get the prince to be king was a big plot.
Yeah. And a big Deus Ex Machina in this movie.
But and that was one where like you could get a little deeper in that
because that's really I really like that concept of him bottom low class,
you know, fucking prince noble, super high class.

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And then high and then they meet in the middle of like being a knight.
And I like that idea of like them kind of just foiling each other
and and find finding that weird common ground in the in the middle of like,
oh, we're not who we say we are, but from completely opposite
spectrums and opposite ends is a cool idea.
It's played for a big plot point in the movie.

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And it could have been deeper if they wanted it to, but they didn't.
And that's OK.
And I and I and I thought that guy performed really well.
And this is like two big scenes.
Yeah, I mean, it's too big.
It's it's it's it's yeah, because he has to come in and be a big light.
Yeah.
I got I'm about to change the whole trajectory of the movie right now.
They was going to say it's so fucking convenient

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like when he comes in at the end where you're like just night some.
It's like this is the only way this is going to work.
And it does. And it's like fuck.
Fuck yeah. This is the perfect situation right now.
I love it. Beyond constant.
Tation the way he like announces constant tion is it's always interesting to me.
And he's got that X on his face like cool.
Why not?
He's got just a fucking X scar.

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Yeah, you have that.
I by and large agree.
I you know, I'm obviously being critical of the movie
because I think it warrants it because it's, you know, it.
It's a good movie.
Yeah, like the spoiler alert.
It's a good movie. Oh, yeah.
You know, I just it is interesting how little you

(01:05:39):
in the movie gives a shit about like the inner workings of royalty
for how much the movie is about being knighted.
Like there's so little of like maybe some other ruling individuals
like having conversations about that stuff or just again, the prince or whatever.
Like having some time spent to him being like what maybe a little bit of where

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what he's doing or something to that effect because it's just that that.
I would just argue it's so light that it makes his.
You know, when he comes in at the end, so like, yeah, obviously convenient.
And like.
I like they do foreshadow and tease a little bit, but I agree that like him
coming in to save the day is is a lot to to maybe reckon with for some people.

(01:06:26):
But the tease is nice of him like, you know, for the whole forfeiting.
And I won't I won't line it up.
But that whole lead up to it was was a nice way to sense like, oh, I remember
this guy and then something's off and the reveal is is that pretty cool?
And yeah, I my last notes, I think I would share would be Paul Betney

(01:06:50):
seeing Sossman sneak into.
Yeah, he says, ah, bed him well, my lady, lady, him well.
Especially like, like, I don't know.
Like it's a structure of a meme.
It was like, we fostered like looking from down to symbol like, yes.

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Yes.
Good.
Simba.
I really feel like Betney had a lot of room to play in this.
I agree.
I do really think that the director gave him like the opportunity to like kind
of take it there.
And that's and you can just tell and that's what makes it so fun.
Once again, it's like I'm watching these people have fun and that's what makes

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it fun for me.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So you totally.
So for so many people to pop in this movie, like he still kind of steals the show
a little bit like somehow he still does it.
But everybody fucking gets their chance to pop like every character has their
has their moment, I think.
And yeah, what an experience.

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And did you guys, did you guys know that Heath Ledger was 21 when he did this?
Wow.
Makes sense.
So like they kind of like that.
I read a brief, like I skimmed a brief article of like that.
They're saying like he was kind of like the golden boy, like the baby and.
Yeah, that's that also adds to the innocence of your like of his of what you're saying.

(01:08:21):
His look.
Yeah, his look in general.
Yeah, it's again, such a specific look where it's like this Southern California.
I don't know.
Surfer from Australia.
No, sir.
So awesome.
Yeah.
He's got the gold coast.
Different.
He's got the gold coast.
But yeah, that beachy vibe to him, you know, really tan skin.

(01:08:44):
Just yeah, his son.
Yeah, sun hair, sun blonde, like dirty blonde.
Yeah, absolutely.
He also says that it's so mesmerizing, his face seems like so tight.
Yes.
On his.
Yes, like his skin is so tight on his face.
I know it was mouth opens.

(01:09:04):
It seems like it's like really like casting to like yeah.
Through something.
His lips look like they're always dry.
Like his skin looks like it's leathery.
He probably just like like run in the sun.
Yeah, exactly.
I feel like every angle of him kind of looks like a different person almost to it's weird.

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I don't know.
Maybe I have face blindness for Heath Ledger sometime, but like I feel like there's depending
on what angle you're looking at, you can kind of just get a real different person.
Yeah.
A lot of angles.
I would say to the bearded long hair he thought the beginning very cool look.
Yeah, the dreads.
Yeah, the dreads.
He's got that shitty looking beard.

(01:09:47):
That was the beard was so terrible.
But didn't you like how he looked at his exact same haircut as a child?
Like he just had the same dreads.
Yeah, they just gave him the same wig.
He's never had a different look his entire life.
Just look like a bigger.
I love when like they just age someone up.
It's like, yeah, it's bigger version of him.
Yeah, she's like a kid but bigger now.

(01:10:09):
He's wearing the same thing.
You know, he just, you know, he just kept the same thing on.
Yeah, just grew with him.
Well, great.
Well, you guys, I'm just going to do some audiences critics reviews are final scores.
I feel like we're running a bit long.
So probably skip the game today.
Sorry, folks.
It's all it's all good.
I think I think we're live game.

(01:10:31):
Life's a game.
Do you guys want to break in a break at all?
Are we?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Is that cars new bumper sticker?
Life's a game.
Life's a game.
Life's a game.
I mean, it is a game.
We'll be right back.
Game play it.
Okay.
So what I have for you right now, Kara, so is life's a game better than this?
What I have for you is I get it, but I just don't know.

(01:10:53):
Oh yeah.
Is that exactly how I said that?
Yeah.
I get it, but I just don't know.
Yeah.
I get it, but oh, it's a mantra.
It's a mantra.
Israel's is wait what?

(01:11:13):
The fact that everyone has the exact same reaction means it's perfect for him.
Life's a game better than I get it, but I just don't know.
I think maybe.
I get it, but I just don't know is more Kara in my mind.
But life's a game is really great to him.
It's really great.
Mine is surprise acid is the best acid.

(01:11:35):
Hey, on that, we will be right back.
Thank you everyone.
We paused.
I said, yeah, I said it earlier, but this time we'll be right back.
James has such a good you have such a good one.
James said we were on a break earlier, but I think that might be a fun.

(01:11:57):
That might be a fun.
It's even better.
Surprise.
That's the best at it.
All right, we'll talk to you guys in five minutes.
Wait, what's mine?
Yeah, I want to be James's.
James's they call me the hammer because I'm nailing it.
I don't even remember.
Wait, how do I?

(01:12:21):
I'm glad that it replaced on Farticus.
I didn't want that to be permanent.
That is a good public sticker.
That who smelt it dealt it.
I'm Spartacus.
No, I'm Farticus anyway.
I'm Farticus like who Delta I'm Farticus.

(01:12:42):
It's a good bit.
I'm farting.
That's a good bit.
That's a great bit.
All right, we'll be back.
Hey, don't you turn that dial.
All right, we are back.
Welcome back, everyone.
It is review time.
That's why we're here polarizing reviews by audiences and critics alike on Rotten Tomatoes.

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The critics gave it a 59% Rotten score just barely Rotten.
That's what happens when you make a movie that's not good in the eyes of the critics.
They give it a big old toot.
If you make a good movie, they give you a fresh popcorn and a 79% from the audience.

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And I will probably be on that side spoiler alert release May 11th, 2001.
Now I'm realizing this was around my birthday at that time.
Maybe Jackie took me for my birthday.
I always like going to see movies for my birthday.
That's what I used to do.
A lot of superhero movies always come out and I was going to say except that birthday

(01:13:47):
when you went and saw Spider-Man 3.
Hey, at least it was memorable.
I used to be so embarrassed by it now, but now I'm like, oh, yeah, that's so funny that
I dragged all those people through a midnight showing of that.
And they all started getting mad at me when a midnight show for Spider-Man 3.
Yeah, Toby McGuire started dancing down the street and everyone's like, James, but then

(01:14:08):
we were all like, I could, we started laughing at certain parts.
He's hilariously bad.
It started to come out like where everyone was like, uh-oh.
And then we just started to chuckle a bit.
And then I felt the last start from our corner, which was the back right corner and just emanate
throughout the theater.
And soon everyone was kind of just laughing at the movie.
So that was a nice memory.

(01:14:29):
We were all in the same boat by the end, but they all like, I'll never forgive you, James.
And that was a nice present for my birthday of the people just being mad at me.
Well, for my birthday, I took people to go see, well, my mom took me and my friends.
We were like in elementary school to go see a walk to remember.
And so we were all crying.
Oh, heavy, heavy.

(01:14:50):
Yeah.
I don't know.
So yours is probably better.
It's like the hell.
The only one I remember going to see on my birthday and make my friends go to was James
and the giant peach.
Oh man, I should have done that one.
I should have been your friend.
I should eat a peach.
God, I'm trying to think of a birthday movie for me.

(01:15:11):
I can't think of one right now.
James, you summertime movie.
Yeah, I would have been there.
If you if you did, I'm trying to think of a summertime flick.
There's got to be a lot of that Brandon would take the time to be like, that's what I'm
going to do for my birthday.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We've definitely seen plenty of movies together.

(01:15:32):
There's been a lot of them.
There's been movies on this very podcast.
We're like, yeah, we saw that one.
We saw this as children in movie theaters.
We're children.
We're children.
We're children.
We're adults.
We have a podcast.
There was.
From Peter Rainier, New York magazine.

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He gives it a rotten no score attached, but it's rotten because he says instead of pulling
young audiences imagine it imagine it to believe back into the past, you might steal
cheapens the process by demonstrating that there's no essential difference between then
And now did not like the combination of the modern with the medieval.

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Richard Shickleton, which we love, Richard Shickleton magazine,
a three out of five, not so bad, but not so good.
The result is a half Python, half Ivanhoe and not as much fun as either.
Susan Losizna, USA Today,

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May please aficionados of oldie stations and extreme sports, but few others.
So that Venn diagram of oldie stations and extreme sports is what this movie works for.
Jeff Paveir, Toronto Star, basically a thrift store bin of borrowed ideas
and care, warranty cliches.

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A night's tale executes one of the most drastic
waste of promise this side of a gifted high school slack off.
Wow, he said a body bag.
He really didn't like that movie.
And lastly from Stephanie Zacharek, Salon.com.
It will rock you straight to sleep.

(01:17:20):
Wow.
God, the judge, jury and executioner on that one.
Bim, bim, bim, let's go to the audience side of things. 79%.
Here's a five star from Rick Baman, B-man.
I don't know. Five stars.
Fuck it. I unashamedly, unashamedly love everything about this movie.

(01:17:42):
I got really choked up during the scene where he is found out
and everyone wants him to run, but he refuses to do so.
Then when he is in the stocks and his friends come to protect him.
God love you, William. So do I.
And then when he gets knighted and then when his father comes to the tournament
and Chaucer announces him as the son of John Thatcher, Sir William Thatcher.
William Thatcher.

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You have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting.
From Bailey, five stars.
Heath Ledger and Knight Armor is my new sexual orientation.
Oh, OK.
Does anyone I'm going to try my Bill Haderstaff on voice

(01:18:23):
because Melanie requires it for this review.
This movie's got everything.
Rock music that's both anachronistic and diegetic.
Janet Sassman as that bitch who somehow has access to late 90s coacher
and neon hair dye while everyone else is in literal rags.
Medieval Nike product placement.
Steve the pirate, seven ish time.
View me.

(01:18:44):
That's a great review.
There's a key.
There's a pirate.
Steve, the pirate is in dodgeball.
There's a pirate in dodgeball.
I'll be on the stairmaster.
Well, do maybe two a couple more.
From Lily, five stars.
I love this wacky cute movie so much for so many reasons.

(01:19:04):
And if you don't, I will fang you.
F O and G.
But I got to admit most modern romcoms can't top that scene.
We're like Rosalind.
Hey, if you love me, lose the tournament will.
OK, bet Rosalind.
Wait, no, don't lose that hard weight.
No, go back.
There are ribs broken.
What the fuck? I said stop.
Jesus Christ, no. Yeah.

(01:19:27):
OK, no.
It's like the soul out of.
Was that a lie?
That was a lie.
That was a lie.
Yeah, it's called Lance.
Hello.
Some people say even musty heath is gorgeous.
Just a lot of love.
Musty Keith musty heath.

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Double stuff seven says fucking classic in every way.
This from Bob Guchman, five stars.
Look me in the eyes and tell me that this isn't a perfect movie.
Call me a fox or hunter for that is all I am to you.
Well, then a fox you shall be until I find your name.
My Foxy lady. Oh, yeah.

(01:20:09):
Yeah, that was great.
He's got some good lines.
The people love it.
I want to hear what you guys have to say
before we scurry off into the night
as me and Brandon are prone to do.
Kara, would you like to kick us off
or would you want to pass it off to Nick
or if neither of you.
Yeah, so I'll pass it off to.

(01:20:29):
I mean, yeah, if you want us to go first, feel free to say that to.
Review in a score zero out of 100.
OK, cool. That's what I needed.
Or 140.
The day.
Or 150.
Yeah.
No, no.
I probably give it like I'll give it a 90 out of 100.
Excellent.
I like.

(01:20:51):
No, I fucking the movie's amazing.
I love that movie.
Because it's it's just a it's always a fun watch.
Every time you watch it,
you're not you're not going to be a bad mood when it ends.
So yeah, it's great.
You're not feel good.
You might tear up a minute,
but other than that, it's just up beat and fun.
So why? How could you not?

(01:21:12):
How could you not enjoy that film?
And it's all I love ending it on a question
because it almost is like a call to action for the people.
How could you not?
And then it makes it makes the people think.
So think about that, people, as we move on to Kara,
do you want to go next or do you want to do you want to go last?

(01:21:33):
I mean, that's a great score.
I I'm trying to decide if I want to go higher or lower.
But I feel like 90 is is a pretty good score.
Because if I go any lower, I just.
I wouldn't truly feel that way.
Like it is such a fun watch every time.
And yeah, it's not perfect,
but it's a perfectly.

(01:21:55):
Good feel good movie.
And I love the costumes.
I love watching the set pieces.
I love all the actors.
It's a good time.
Yeah, I think I have to say 90 as well.
What do you think, guys?
Wow, yeah.
Let us know in the chat.

(01:22:15):
Yeah, make sure you email polarized the part at gmail.com.
Brandini.
What would you give a baby?
Oh, god, what would I give this?
I mean, I really had a good time with it.
I it was just a little long and a lot of this stuff was so like.

(01:22:35):
It is very.
It's very corny and cheesy.
I'm not deep and it doesn't need to be because the performances
really make up for just.
The performances give a lot when there's little on the page.
So I just overall and really wrapped up in the interactions

(01:22:58):
that people are having and just weighed down a little bit here
in the chat.
And just weighed down a little bit here and there.
God, I really did enjoy this movie and I would definitely
recommend it to people.
It's interesting because they don't have that like strong
allegiance, you know, having a history with this movie.
But just seeing this for this for the pod like.

(01:23:23):
Yeah, I had a great time.
I was able to overlook a lot of its shortcomings.
Some of them were glaring.
So I'm not, you know, I don't know if I would.
Yeah, I'm not going to join you guys as being in the 90s.
I don't think it's that for me, but I definitely feel like
this movie to me was really enjoyable and people should
see this.

(01:23:44):
And because of that feeling that I have about the movie,
I would give it probably 85 is actually not too far off.
But yeah, I feel like an 85.
Fuck yeah.
I we're all right there together in this movie.
I do have a history with and.
That definitely goes a long way, but there's plenty of
movies for my history that don't hold up.
This movie holds the fuck up and it for a lot of reasons.

(01:24:10):
It's great for if you want to pay full attention to if you
want a background sort of watching million times and
go on your phone.
Great for that too.
This the soundtrack.
I mean, it is a sports romance period piece with an amazing
cast and energy and it blew my mind.

(01:24:31):
It was almost two and a half hours because I've watched
this movie a bunch of times and there's a lot of there's not
many movies that long.
I feel like they're just easy to throw on like this and I
will continue to do so.
So I'll join you guys.
I'll do a 87.
I'll get get right there in the middle.
I think I'm almost with the difference almost 90 else with
the difference and I'm somewhere in the 80s range.

(01:24:52):
If I yeah, I could throw a criticism.
I think there was that little bit of force going on.
There was that little force conflict at that little that
kind of juncture in the in the movie that was like something
needs to happen.
The movie knew it too and they forced a little bit rather
than actually have a reason why they like gotten to a fight
which could have been by the way she is.

(01:25:13):
I know we just need to wrap this up but when she finds out
who she who he really is.
She is so chill about it and she could not care less.
I do love that too because it's just doesn't waste time on that
because there could have been a whole stretch of time of him.
Yeah, of him trying like very un-talked for her not to find

(01:25:37):
out and that could have been a big portion of the movie of
like we can't let her find out because she cares so much about
propriety and class.
Why would you want to be with someone who care about so much
about them in the first place?
So the fact that she doesn't care about it says more that like
this is why they do hit it off and they get and they get
together and her friend goes with daddy and happily ever after.

(01:25:57):
Happily ever after for this episode.
I think it's I have to say that what was what was 100% was I'd
give this 100% score is Paul Bettany's coats.
Oh, those are pretty good.
Yeah, coach and hats.
Coach and hats.
Love a good coat with us.

(01:26:20):
100% score for me.
Yeah, 110 maybe 150.
Hey now.
Hey now.
If you say if you say 150 three times, Danny might show up.
And you got.
Oh,
Hey,
did someone pass my leg?
Then.
This has been a true pleasure per use.

(01:26:44):
This movie if you haven't seen you made it thus far, please go
check it out.
I'm glad that it's it's just held up in my esteem.
You will not find it on to be because it dropped right after
we watched it today.
So that is kind of mind blowing as we watch it last night and
today it's gone.
So good luck.
However, you're going to watch it.
But if you made it this far, you already did.

(01:27:06):
And this is another one like in the rush hour twos that are just
always going to be rewatchable always going to be and Nick's
kind of joined us for pretty much a lot of those like super.
Oh, no, you were supposed to be for super trippers, but you
weren't.
We're I was very can't wait to have you guys.
But you guys have anything else that you wanted to add or?

(01:27:29):
We're all good to go.
Cool.
Just like the costumes are great.
And I think we talked about that a little bit.
The costumes were great.
Absolutely agree.
Sosman's outfits I was going through today and it was hard
to pick a favorite.
I think the one with the white hat and the meat Q is

(01:27:49):
such an interesting look that reminds me almost of another
outfits in our next movie.
Is that a little white out the white hat outfit and by
resource man?
Okay.
The next movie will be Darren Aaron Aske's The Fountain and
there are many Rachel Weiss outfits that are like that.

(01:28:10):
I'd say she is wearing a lot of white.
He's wearing a lot of black.
The symbolism is not subtle and some of the parts, but he's
wearing a lot of black.
She's wearing a lot of white.
It's a movie that is near and dear to my heart.
So I'm already going to say so I'm excited to talk about it.
It's got a 53% by the critics.
It's got a 74% by the audience.
It's a little birthday movie for me.

(01:28:31):
Brandon gave me the birthday set up and I'm going to try to
knock it out of the park here with a fountain episode.
We'll see what happens.
We hope you guys join us.
We hope you have enjoyed us for this very special up with
very special people.
I've been your very special forever guest.
Brandini the co-hostess with the most is that's right.

(01:28:54):
You're the co-hostess now because you like those Twinkies.
Oh, and I'm a big ding dong.
If you want to reach us, Polarize the pod at gmail.com or
streamin live twitch.tv slash Polarize pod rate review subscribe

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Apple podcast.
You would be our favorite person ever if you do a little blurb
in or something in there too.
That would be the best.
We've been chugging along with this podcast and we feel like
we just are enjoying ourselves a lot and we want to keep it
going and we'd appreciate some feedback as well.
We've been going long enough and curious what people have to
say out there about it and thank you all.

(01:29:41):
Bye.

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