Insurgency, Inschmurgency

Everyone loves a good underdog story. The scrappy band of misfits up against the world, and then ultimately, the misfits win. Insurgency and rebellion are like that. Usually a smaller force, fighting the good fight, up against a larger corrupt group. (Not always, but in pop culture, usually) And you want the little rebels to win. And that’s just what Cam and Izzy are going to discuss in today’s episode; the freedom fighters that could and some that couldn't.

Cam tries his hand at this week's game "Rebel WITH A Cause." It's a measure of how much of a rebel you are, or at the very least, rebel adjacent.

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Episode Transcript

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In time. In time, there'sa gap too to make it through right
here, this little gap. Ijust you know what I realized. I
always thought it was just crooked.Turns out like no, I'm I chipped

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my tooth and it's a gap becausethat entire side is chipped off. Oh
yeah, when that happened, Yeah, I know exactly when it happened.
Yeah, when it happened to likeI've chipped my like I've tipped my tooth
eating cereal before, like on thefront here it's a little bit of chip.
But this one specifically, I wasin high school. It's my senior

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year. I was at a Iwas at a house party, and this
kind of like this guy I grewup with I won't name any names,
but like he was it's kind ofa you know, going down the wrong
path. So that summer before senioryear, his parents sent him to like
a military boot camp like for youknow, for juveniles. Wow, pretty

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trouble youth. Yeah, troubled youthlike juvenile camp. And I guess he
met this other guy there that wasfrom our area or he wasn't. I
don't know. I didn't ask,but like, anyways, we're at this
party and he has his friend.We've never seen him before, like who
is this guy? And and uh, he's like, well, this is
my buddy. I met him atcamp. He's just hanging out with me
for like, you know, twoweeks or something. But anyways, long

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story short, like being stupid kids, we were like all chest bumping each
other like as boys do. Andthat one random guy and he was like
a pretty short, stocky guy,like pretty pretty like strong looking dude for
a high schooler, and like he'slike, let's go, let's chess bump.
And I was like, okay,man, yeah whatever. And at
the time, you know, inhigh school, I wait a buck thirty

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five and this guy was pushing liketwo hundred. So like we go to
es bump, but I think we'rejust gonna like chest bump, but he
gets like a running start, andthen before I even am able to like
get off the ground, he likejust straight spears with his chest in the
face and like it hits my jawup and I just spit out a chunk

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of tooth. Oh yeah, sothat I think that's exactly where that chunk
of tooth went. Watch yeah,yeah, watch it on the YouTube.
But yeah, that's exactly where,and I've been trying to fix that my
entire life, and now I realizethat I'm just either gonna need to get
it capped or like filled in.Wow. Yeah, so I don't know,

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it gives me character. I thinkthat's cool. Man. Yeah,
all my chip teeth are in theback, you know, I got I
got my first cap. But wellit's just from eating sugar my whole life,
you know, away from that sugar, folks, you're telling you yeah,
okay, Well, anyways, wehave wasted a lot of time just
talking about random stuff. Let's diveinto the episode. Folks. Welcome to

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the up culture Field Manual podcast,sitting right at the intersection of weapons,
action, the military, and popculture. Of course, welcome to the
episode. Today, Izzy and Iare going to be talking about something is
he is probably very familiar with aspart of his military training was creating these
Yeah yeah, so surgency and thencounterinsurgency too, because when I was in

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Iraq, we were trying to establishand support the current government, so the
insurgency were actually they were the badguys quote unquote in that particular instance.
Yeah. No, but today we'regoing to talk about all things insurgencies,
rebellions, and those fighters that arelooking for freedom also known freedom fighters.
So anything in pop culture that hasto do with these uh, these themes

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and topics we're gonna we're gonna talkabout. So yeah, for you,
For all those that don't know insurgencyor what an insurgency is is, the
definition is an active revolt or anupright, So they're pretty much, you
know, all these words are synonymsfor insurgency, rebellion, you know,
freedom fighters, they're they're all insurgents, you know. They're different synonyms for

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the same, different words for thesame, uh, same kind of thing,
different for different folks. There's thethere's the established government, whatever that
is, and then anybody trying todestabilize and take down that government, I
guess maybe through violent means, Iguess would be considered revolt rebellion. You
know. Otherwise, maybe it's justcivil disobedience up to a certain point.

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Then when you actually start being like, no, we actually want to take
down this government and establish a differentone or whatever, you're there to the
insurgency. Yeah, but wouldn't thatif you want to overthrow the government and
stabs your own, wouldn't that bekind of be like a coup. I
mean I thought a coup was likea military kind of military uprising. Yeah,
I mean because yeah, what youknow, it's I don't know,

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maybe it all falls under the rubricof revolution, right, yeah, you
know, like what you know,if you're right, you can be a
revolutionary. Yeah, who's doing it? Yeah, because like civilians, then
it's an insurgency. But if it'sa military like general going rogue, is
it a coup? I've always heardcoup is yeah, being connected to military,
like a military coup. I don'tknow what what other kind of coups

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there are, cuckoo kachu, Idon't know, coop coops, choop coops.
But uh, you know, withinsurgencies, there's been a lot of
you know, different pieces of popculture that have symbolized this or or shown
these through means of you know,creating rebellion not only in a you know,
a made up universe, but someare inspirations for modern day, you

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know, rebellions that have kind ofbeen become symbols. So like I see
immediately the first one that stands upon the list here, which you know,
I've seen real life groups kind ofemulate and use as as a cover
V for Vendetta. Oh yeah,yeah, V for Vendetta, yes,

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two thousand and five. Yeah,yeah, I mean it's it's been To
be honest, it's a little confusingto me. I watch it as a
young kid, and like, obviouslythe mask is the most risk recognizable.
And this is what I mean bylike symbols used in today because you have
like, you know, the theonline hacker group Anonymous have been seen,
you know, wearing these masks whenthey make when they make announcements or you

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know, anywhere on the web thatthey used it in Mister Robot too,
it was kind of a version ofthat. It was kind of meant to
kind of emulate that or be aversion of that. Yeah. So V
for Vendetta. You know, youhave this figure, this one man that
is waging war against a totalitarian statein order to kind of you know,

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spread a message and wake up thepopulace and remind them of their freedoms or
something you put there. Yeah,this takes place in the UK, right,
Yeah, it takes place in theUK. The movie, you know,
the movie does and it's the future. It's based on a comic book
by Frank Miller. I think FrankMiller. Yeah, I'd have to look
that up because I didn't do anyresearch because US is that. But no,

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it was an early eighties graphic novel, and so the idea was like,
it's a fascist state controls the populist. I think in the comic book
he was more like for anarchy,Like he's like, just embrace anarchy,
and I don't know how they findYeah, I don't know how you define
anarchy. I never thought of thatas like anarchy is like a total breakdown

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of all government system systems, andI don't think that. I don't I
don't know about that. But basicallyin the movie, it was yeah,
sotalitarian. It was you know,you know, semi quasi religious, quasi
Christian kind of thing. Government secrets, government cover ups, obviously propaganda,
very nineteen eighty four type stuff.In Front, it's funny because John Hurt

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was like the face of the propagandamachine, the head of the state.
Yeah, and then V is amysterious figure who works a guy who wears
a Guy Fowkes mask. Guy Fowksis a famous character in the UK.
He tried to blow up Parliament andhe failed, and so they have I
think it's Guy Falk's day. Actually, remember remember the fifth of November,

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the Truth and Gunpowder plot. Yeah, soever they build, they burn him
an effigy because it's it's kind ofa reminder to the people to never let
their government get too big or getoverthrow their government, you know, like
they have the power is always withthe people kind of thing. You u
UK our UK listeners maybe can addsome more nuance to that, but that's
the kind of basic. It's like, the people are the real power.

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The government should never get too big, I think. And even in the
movie he says government should be aprey afraid of their people. People should
never be afraid of their governments,you know. Uh. And so he
he blows up the Bay the OldBailey, which is like a London you
know, government building, and thena year later he says he's gonna blow
up Parliament and he uh. NataliePortman plays Evie Hammond, who is just

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kind of a regular citizen. Shedoesn't want to get involved, but then
through circumstances, she ends up gettinginvolved, and then he ends up influencing
her to become just like this totalrevolutionary you know. He like he like
kind of like tortures her a littlebit without her knowing, shaves her head
and like then then you know,she really kind of ends up waking up
to just the fear, the fearthat she had of the government, of

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not wanting to get involved, oflosing her you know. The it's it's
got a lot of governments kind ofdo this thing where they they use fear
and intimidation. They you know,the fear of losing your comfort, you
losing your job, losing your friendgroups, you know, and going to
jail all that kind of stuff inorder to silence people. And that works
for most people, right. It'skind of this herd mentality where you know,

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it's a it's a it's like,oh, well, you know,
I got a pretty good and Idon't want to know if I want to
say too much, you know,so, uh but yeah, if you've
ever been out of that, thatmask, like Guy Falk, Guy Fawke's
mask is very iconic. It isextremely iconic, you know, and you
you talk, you talk a lotabout this movie, like you've seen it
a lot of you know it verywell, Should I be concerned? Are

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you gonna fire bombs? It's goodman, I mean, it's No,
it's good. And it's definitely oneof those things like we can't do an
episode like this without getting at leasta little political. Absolutely. Yeah,
I've been kind of biting my tongue, you know, the past one hundred
and fifty episodes of this podcast.But yeah, no, you're you're absolutely
right, Like there's a lot ofreally good themes in this movie that are

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you know, extremely relevant today,especially in our current political climate. When
we have this, we have thiscrazy separation, this crazy segregation of you
know, the left and the right, and then you know, then you
also have the Epstein flight logs andeverything from the case being being released and

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you're like, oh my god,these superpowers are you know, they're you
know, they're evil, Like yeah, and it's and you know, we've
seen historically in the past, youknow, a couple of years, how
much power and influence the people actuallyhave if they choose to do something about
it. It just depends on theright reasons or you know, so I

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mean during COVID when we had theBLM riots, like you saw how fast
things changed. Yeah, just becausewhen you know, when talking doesn't work,
I feel like, you know,violence is the answer, is the
answer if you want to change somethingand nothing's getting done, but it's like,
okay, well what's the reason forit? Is it a good enough

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reason to make things happen? Butyeah, no, there's a a I'm
a big believer in small government,you know, keep the fuck out of
my business in a polite way tostay So yeah, no, vipa Vendetta
is kind of like a yearly watch. I definitely think people should watch it
more often because you know, wedo have the power. The common man

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is not so common, right,Yeah, yeah, I mean that's always
been kind of the uh, youknow, the eternal struggle between like the
populace and the rulers and how wedefine that relationship, you know, because
it's really for most human history fromwhat I know, it's really been like
the idea of the leaders has beenlike either like they were chosen by God

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or the gods, like they weregods. It was like this divine kind
of thing, and it was likelineages, you know, like birthright lineage,
you know, like they deserve torule because they were born in a
certain family, or like they've beenruling for thousands of years, so let's
keep it going kind of thing.It's only kind of more in the quote
unquote modern era that governments started torevolutions start to happen to be like,

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no, the power actually is derivedfrom the people. Okay, what does
that mean? And then now youand I live in the United States where
our constitution is based on the powerbeing of the people, by the people
and for the people. You know, so okay, what does that mean?
And are we still in that era? And how far fight away from
that have we gotten since since webegan exactly that's blocking like blocking elections,

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like not allowing people to run.Yeah, yeah, Like, oh,
what does that mean? Is thatreally constitutional? You know, I mean
you would first of all, youknow, I'm I'm not left, I'm
not right. If everybody's trying tofigure out what Cameron is, I am
what I consider a common sense man. So you know, there's some things
on the left I agree with anda lot of things that disagree with the

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same thing on the right. Soyeah, v for vendetta all that to
say, totally, I'm glad wetalked about this one first because I think
it's it's the one that I thinkmaybe we can talk about some other ones.
The other ones take like large broadideas about the you know, the
government versus the totalityan government versus thelittle people, and then rising up.
I think that theme is in mostof what we're going to talk about today.

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V for Vendetta. I think becauseit was taken from the modern era,
I think it's a little more relevant. Even though I'm sure, I'm
I'm I mean, you guys canquiz me on this, but I guarantee
you, Frank Miller, those kindsof people, old school lefties, old
school like democrat kind of you know, afraid, I guarantee you this was
written about Reagan. I guarantee thiswas written by you know, Republicans and

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stuff like that. Because there's thisnot a lot of creative people in the
entertainment industry that are right laning.So I'm thinking it was the Cold War.
They were afraid that making the buttonand they're like, he's too he's
as too powerful, you know.But the idea of totalitarian a fasci state,
that can happen on either side.Man, it's any to try to
take over and suppress dissent, suppressdissenting voices, you know, not allow

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freedom of speech like you talked about, not allow freedom of movement and then
freedom to like to like bear arms, which I'm totally agreement. Man,
those are the two fundamental freedoms uponwhich any successful society should be based,
you know, because once you takethose things away, man, people are
just they can you can be controlledby the government because only the government's going
to have guns and only the government'sgoing to have speech. You know.

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Yeah, oh dude, totally Andthat's nineteen eighty four. And yeah it's
like that's step number one on touh to complete communistic totalitarianism uh society.
But absolutely, that's why they're listed. That's why they're number one and two.
Man, first ones to get readuh something. I mean, Also,
like it's so weird looking at youknow, I'm not I didn't take

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political science or anything, but Ibut I do enjoy my history and like
seeing the parties switch, how theyhow they started and where they are at
today. Like it was so interestingthat like, you know, during the
Civil War, like all the Bluestates where the Red states today and all
the red states were the Blue states, and like looking like you know,

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Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Uhhe represented the Republican Party, and you
know, looking looking into it theKKK what everybody hates so damn much.
They were democrats, Like it's like, man, like the evolution of the
political parties are if you look intothe history like they are not what they

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are today, like you would likeeverybody's so, you know, focused on
the activity, but not who didit right anyway? For me, that's
I mean, it's you have toknow your history, man, all of
your history, because and I admit, you know, I've only I've only
looked at certain aspects of history before. But you gotta look at all of
it and it's hard to do andit takes a lot of time, and

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most people don't do it because ofthat fact, you know exactly. It's
like you're like what you choose withcherry pick and they're like, well that's
creeps, Like, no, there'sa lot more to it. Sure,
you have to understand all history,the good and the bad, needs to
be taught. It doesn't it doesn'tmatter because history always repeats itself if it's
not known, and if you knowwhere things are heading, we can kind
of interdict and send it a differentway. But yeah, v for Vendetta,

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I think it was an excellent choiceto start this off. But let's
talk about something that was hot garbagereally quick, just real quick. You
know, we could have a wholeepisode just because and I think it was
just I mean, it's relevant,so I think it needs to be talked
about. But folks, you know, Rebel Moon was such it was waited

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on. I know I waited onit when I was so excited. I
haven't been this excited for a moviein a long time, man, because
the trailer got me. Man,it like it got to me. It
lifted me up. Zack Snyders alwayshad a great visual style, like what
is this new world? What isthis universe? You know, is it
gonna be this great kind of newsci fi universe that we can build off

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of? Yeah, oh what adisappointment. Oh my god, I'm actually
super excited to talk about to talkabout it with you. All I've heard
you say is it is Garbaggio andI think we've both been on the same
page since we heard about its release. I'm like, oh, dude,
this could be really cool, justlike you said, a whole brand new

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universe that's super awesome. Like youknow, we had Dune, which is
and then we've all in the pastwe've had, you know, Guardians the
Galaxy, you know, the wholeMCU were like, we're about to get
an entire franchise that you know,the people deserve, and it sounded cool,
just based off the sci fi likewild West type of theme and whatnot,
And what the fuck was this movieabout? What was happening the entire

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time? It was literally to me, First of all, the writing was
terrible. It was like, we'rehere, now we're left, and then
we're going down and we're going tothree sixty and then we're gonna do a
backflip and nobody's gonna know what's goingon ever, And yeah, I mean
that's what I got. But alsoI ate an edible while I watched it,
and it did not that might havethat might have influenced your perception of

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the movie. Well, listen,Cameron, you you probably did the right
thing by having the edible because atleast your body was going through a fun
journey and the chemicals in your ownwere Oh no, because it gave me
anxiety. Oh, I was like, am I I was like, am
I stupid? Am I just thisstupid where I'm not understanding because I did

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this to myself. Why why No? Yeah, I gave me exacty.
I turned it off and put onScooby Doo instead because I was like,
Happy Times, Rebel Moon, it'sit's the worst. It's I'm trying to
I'm trying to find an entry point. Let me tell you this. Let

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me just say this. I startedhearing that reviews were bad for before it
came out. I was like,oh no, it's getting really panned.
And I I am someone who,whether I like it or not, will
be influenced by someone's critique of amovie before I see it, like I'll
have that their thoughts in my head. Yeah. So I said we were
actually gonna do like a movie nightwith some friends coming up. We were
gonna watch Rebel Moon, and wewere all waiting for it. And then

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the reviews came out and said,listen, I need to go and watch
it by myself and just have myown untainted experience. And so that's what
I did. I sat on thecouch, I watched it. I watched
it with the wife, but shedoesn't care about movies, so she was
but and I watched it, andI get that feeling. There's this feeling
I get about fifteen twenty twenty minutesinto a movie where I can tell I'm

(20:07):
not feeling it, I'm not withit. And then I'm like, oh,
man, and I can't really understandwhy I have to process a little
bit after the movie. But it'slike, oh, it's either got me
in the first twenty fifteen minutes orit doesn't. And this movie didn't have
me. And I'm like, whatis so familiar about this movie? Why?
Why does this seem like really kindof like cookie Cutter, you know,

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because it starts out great, it'sgot that malogue by Anthony Hopkins sets
up the universe. You know,the ship comes out of the space vagina,
you know, beginning like really odd, like make it a little more
square or something. But you knowhe's like, oh there's a and it's
like this, okay, the Emperorand then he was assassinated by you know.

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Now there's the farm king. Yeah, now the struggle and the new
leader. He sends out. Hesends out because there's rebellion, right,
rebellion to crush the rebellion, crushanyone who calls themselves rebel. Well then
they go to this planet and it'slike all of a sudden it's Seven Samurai.
Yeah, you know, yeah,it's the exact same storyline is Magnificent

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seven or the Seven Samurai where there'sa village, the bad guys come,
they take what they got, andthey say, we're gonna come back for
some reason, We're gonna come backin ten weeks and take your harvest,
right, so you and so theyhave that time to go and find a
couple of people I guess in theuniverse they're going to help them to fight.
But it's so it's not even likethere's a rebellion going on, but

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they're not even part of the rebellionofficially, Like they're just trying to defend
their village. When they got likethe space they have a huge spaceship up
in the planet. They could justlike zap them all from orbit, but
for some reason they're going to settlefor a ground attack with this village.
Apparently they're guessing that that's going tobe the case. Yeah, and you
know, yeah, yeah, anduh, and then it's just a derivative.

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Every scene is a derivative of likeother movies. That's it's just a
collection of scenes. And I getthat, Zack Snyder. If you think
about his career. I was thinkingabout this the other day. What has
he ever done in his career?He has done either remakes, you have
done remakes of comic books, remakesof other movies. You got Dawn of
the Dead, you got uh uh, the The Watchman three hundred, you

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got Justice League, And then ZackSnyder, what did you do? He
does Sucker Punch, which apparently there'ssome messaging in that movie, like some
pro women messaging if you can lookfor it. But it's just like it's
like that's basic thirteen year old likethrew up every video game and comic book
they ever read out onto the screen. I'm not saying it doesn't look great,

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you know, and it doesn't havesome messages, but that's Sack Snyder,
so he probably took all these ideas. He's like, I love this
movie. I love this movie.I obviously love seven Samurai or the original.
I at that. It's not herriginal idea. Nothing in that movie
is sucker Punch. Yes, thatwas the act. Yeah, that was
his creation. Yeah, and fairfair play to him. But that's who

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he is. He's obviously a verygreat visual guide. Like that's his thing.
He's his visuals, you know,but this movie, he's not I
don't think he's a good writer.I don't think he does dialogue very well.
And the logic of what he doesdoesn't like, it doesn't add up,
and it's and it's, uh,I don't know, it's this is
the worst kind of like expedition writing. And then the character was work wasn't

(23:22):
all that great. And these thecharacters that they had, they looked interesting,
but nobody had a chance to doanything the whole movie. They're just
once they get the person into theteam, that have a little scene where
they get them into the team,they just like hang out in the background.
After that, you know, that'sit, and it's and it's really
just about uh, Sophia Battella.She's the main character. Who can happen.

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Yeah, well, you know sheused to she used to work for
the empire and then she ran away. But then all of a sudden she's
helping out because you know, likebecause whatever, because you know obviously that
the mean, evil occupying soldiers triedto rape the innocent, the inn a
Viking girl, and she she showedup and that was awesome obviously, But

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it's just a lot of slow motion, which Zack Snyder's about. It's it's
a lot of derivative ideas, youknow, and I I get like,
if I don't know, it's likea movie that I would have made.
And I'm not a filmmaker because Ilike stuff, but I don't I don't
come up with original ideas. Ijust here I am talking about other people's
ideas. Yeah, I would havesaid, I like this scene from this

(24:26):
movie, I like this scene fromthis movie. I like this idea,
and he just smashed them all togetherand what came out was just something that
was It's one of those It's thecritique I give was it's worse because I
wanted it to be better. It'snot like I didn't have any expectations,
and then it was what it was. It's like, oh, yeah,

(24:47):
please, let this be this greatnew start to like a new sci fi
era, and it just wasn't.And for that reason, I give it
an even lower score in my mind, because my heart built up. They
made you a belie either, theymade not to mention, they made you
wait like a year. It wasover a year of waiting and like like
just hoping that this would be somethinglike I think We've been looking forward to

(25:11):
this for months, if not,if not like over a year, and
it's not even done. Like,I don't know what they're gonna do in
part two because basically all they haveto do now, I think they've gotten
everybody right, take them down.They got the crew. Now it's just
the fight at the end around theuh. I guarantee you it's not gonna
be strategic, like there's gonna beso many strategic like faults in this thing,

(25:33):
because they you can see the layoutof the village right, it's on
a hillside, it's got open fieldsto one area, and I guarantee you
the bad guys are gonna choose oneway to funnel into the camp, even
though they have multiple area ways toapproach it. They've got flying ships,
they've got oh my god, yeahthey could they could do, you know,
like they don't have to, butthey don't want to ruin the harvest,

(25:55):
the bomb on the village itself,the village and the far robots they
have like robots at their disposal thatthey could like not lose anybody, you
know, I mean they could,but I guess all the robots are Anthony
Hopkins and all the robots are pacifistsor something, unless unless and then he
puts antlers on his head for somereason. Like I'm sure we're gonna find

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that out. Like maybe it'll jumpback to the village and we'll see what
they missed while they were gone,and there'll be this like relationship with the
robot and the other lady. I'mjust guessing, right, I'm just yeah,
because I'm like, that's all wecan do, that's all you can
get. You know, we'll findout. And when in a couple of
months, when part two comes out, even as a raided R version of
the first part, that's gonna bean hour longer. And I gotta know,

(26:38):
I gotta know, Like what elseare you gonna put in? Dude,
I couldn't even get through I couldn'tget through the PG thirteen version.
Why the fuck would I want towaste another hour? I don't know,
man, And like, oh,I'm sorry, Like we're gonna see one
nipple, like that's gonna be that'sgonna be the difference of the rating they

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see eyed out her nipples of thespider lady. They're gonna put him back
in. Yeah, and you're gonnasay one more curse word, like that's
it, dude. Yeah, Icould not get through that movie. I
don't know how it ends. Igot to the Spider Lady and then the
one who fights her, right,the Lightsaber lady, Yeah, Lightsaber And
after that there was also there waslike another there was like a guy right

(27:23):
that they get they went after.Yeah, I mean, uh, the
black guy. Uh yeah, he'sbeen in a bunch of stuff Amistad,
Guards of the Galaxy. But yeahhe's a general, the General Titus.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Ithink I fell off after the Spider Lady.
And then I was like, dude, this is I have no idea

(27:44):
what's going on? So yeah,I just turned it off. But yeah,
Rubbel Moon huge disappointment. Talk aboutyou know, a pretty sad insurtaincy.
Yeah, you know what, let'slet's cleanse our out because we got
to put this one in here.If we're talking about action, uh you

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know, action military themed all sortsof like classic iconic images. What Rebel
Moon was a derivative of, andapparently Zack Snyder's original story for was his
version of a Star Wars movie.So Star Wars is the classic Empire versus
the Rebellion, So the whole franchise. You know, whether you want to
call it the Empire versus the rebelsor you want to call it the New

(28:29):
Order versus what is it? Thethe not rebellion. It was the man
in the new version, the newermovies. Yeah, the new movies.
It's basically the same dynamic. It'sthe the not the rebellion, it's the
it's the resistance, the resistance inthe resistance. Yeah yeah, wow,

(28:53):
So because it's because who cares?Because yeah, who cares? Who cares
about it? But no, yeah, the entire Star Wars franchise, if
you like, put the Jedi themesaside, it is insurgency, right yeah,
yeah, I mean you have therecord intergalactic insurgency. Yeah, man,

(29:17):
I wonder you know because obviously nottaking a what am I saying right
here? What are you saying?What am I saying? You know,
taking a quick side quest from uhStar Wars? But like you know,
insurgencies, you know, when theystarted, it has to take an extremely

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influential person or like idea to beable to start, right because like thinking
about the global war on terrorism,like you have, we were fighting al
Qaeda, which you know, it'sa type of insurgency and uprising for really
r yeah, terrorism, So likeyou obviously need to you have such an
influential message that and I mean ifit's religious backed like that, that's obviously

(30:07):
a big factor. Like if youhave believers that you know, are ready
to put their life on the linefor what they believe, that's that's believable.
But when you think about like thesemovies about incertaincies, about political ideas,
you know, especially comparing it today, like we have everybody you go
on Instagram and everybody's complaining about howthings need to change, and you know
how we are literally losing our rightsand nobody like that's the extent of it,

(30:30):
right. I feel like the worstthing that goes on nowadays is just
people yelling at their phones and thenputting it away and then paying their taxes.
That's that's literally what I see.So like to take an idea that
you believe is worth dying over andand influencing others to join you in your

(30:52):
cause like that, to me,uh is a mind boggling idea. You
know what's interesting about that, man, is uh, if we're talking to
if we're talking about Star Wars specifically, because I totally agree with what you're
saying, Like, you have tohave a unifying idea, yeah, you
know, there has to be somethingthat everybody can get behind, and people
have to be prepared to lose.Yeah. Yeah, and it has to

(31:15):
be motivating. You've got to haveleaders at the top kind of spurring people
on. But Star Wars, Uh, it's it's based. I feel like
Star Wars the originals at any rateit was, and maybe the new ones
too. But I'm trying to I'mtrying to figure out the dynamic beyond just
it's a totalitarian government, right,that is ruled by the emperor. Right,

(31:40):
he dissolves the Senate. That happensin the beginning of episode four.
But and then you have a rebellionand and I guess I'd have to kind
of like think my way through allof the different movies and stuff because it
was a representative democracy. But rightthere was a real public. There's a
senate. They had public representatives rightthe planets, and then but they started
getting it was became in effective,right, and people became discontent, and

(32:07):
then there was corruption deep within it. Right, the emperor publican the whole
time he was the one pulling thestrings behind the back and making plans underneath
everybody's nose and just going up tothe end of like episode six, the
Return of the Jedi, it wasbasically so I guess the rebellion in Star
Wars was it was fighting for themore republic republican for that lack of a

(32:30):
better term, a republican view ofthe government rather than a totalitarian or imperior
or empire type view. You know, expansion is kind of empire type thing.
So that would be kind of that'sthe basic you know that freedom,
right, hope, a new hoperight in episode four is kind of the

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motivating factor behind a lot of therebels, you know, Like so there
are factions of the old government inthe beginning of the move in the in
the middle of the movies, rightbecause we start off with the Republic and
then that all get there's a thenthere's the Clone Wars, and then that
establishes the Emperor and then so basicallyhe starts consolidating power and by episode four
we've got, uh, you know, we have remnants of the old Republic

(33:16):
fighting against the empire. So that'skind of like the dynamic there. So
the the unifying force why they wherethey get all their information, tactics,
equipment, people from is remnants ofthe old Republic basically yea, or yeah,
the the Republic that has now beenkind of disestablished and or kind of
gets in a little bit more intothe guts of how the republic really started

(33:39):
building itself, because because right after, you know, obviously right after the
in episode three, Empire Emperor totallyconsolidates power. He destroys the Jedi Temple.
He's just everybody gets scattered, right, They're totally disarrayed, and then
they consolidate power. And then notlong after that in terms of like I
guess and Or would be just afew years before episode four. So in

(34:02):
the interim emperors consolidating power, it'svery much like you know, it seems
like an and Or. It's likevery nineteen forties Germany type style, you
know, where you got the secretpolice going in finding or any kind of
communist stereo where they've got the governmentpolice going after and police getting after free
thinkers or people that are rebellious,you know, so they believe to be

(34:22):
rebellious or yeah, yeah, anybody, Yeah, anybody that's not toeing the
party line. Yeah, So anyway, just kind of the long thought process
of kind of going off what yousaid. You do have to have a
unifying idea, and usually in alot of these movies and all other pop
culture, there is usually a unifyingidea and I usually you guess, correct

(34:43):
me if I'm wrong, leave acomment section or something. It's basically about
freedom, right, It's the freedomto live your life outside of the confines
of this totalitarian government that only wantspower to come from one place, that
only wants people to talk about certainthings that only wants Governments tend to they're
like animals, right they or they'relike blobs if the more they consume,

(35:05):
the bigger they get. It's likea big company or whatever. They exist
to consolidate and advance their own power. That's all they really exist to do.
Everything functions for the sake of theparty. Right. I think communists
Shina is like a great example.It's like they may be capital they may
have like capitalistic tendencies. Everything isdesigned to uphold and uplift and advance the

(35:27):
party. The people, I meanpeople. I feel like people differentiate or
they they combine governments and say,like you know, between the market,
like the economy and how the governmentruns. I think a lot of people
believe that they are one. Solike like for China, for example,
they have a capitalistic economy, right, so they have they very they follow
very capitalistic uh marketplace rules. Butwhen you look at the government, that's

(35:53):
communism. So people are just like, oh, China, you know,
they're capitalistic, and it's like,no, they're market's capitalistic. How they
make money is capitalistic, but howthey how they establish rules and regulations is
communistic. Like yeah, and Iand honestly, man, I don't think
that they're even all that capitalistic whenit comes to even the functioning of their
businesses. Like I've heard people,I know, there's a lot of big

(36:14):
government rule over. Yeah, andyou have to have certain rules in your
company that are in linement with thecommunist party inside. A buddy of mine
who uh, he had a businessin China. He's not a Chinese national.
He tried to leave the country.Banks just kept his money. He
still can't get it out. Youknow. It's just like, yeah,
you don't do what we want.You just don't get your money and you

(36:34):
have no course because the government istoo powerful and complain to about the bank's
not giving the money the government.They're gonna be like, no, sexistack
dude, Yeah, because we arein with the banks. Yeah. So
no, that's it's it's a crazyit's a crazy thing. But no,
Star Wars is a I think it'sa really good representation of like, you
know, plus we have to thewhole thing is like villainizing. We have

(36:55):
to villainize the government, which Imean, for me, is an easy
thing to do. It's an extremelyeasy thing. Sure, you know,
especially even if you're super uneducated,even if you're you know, do you
know what a common person to blamefor everything that's wrong in this country?

(37:17):
Is the government? That? Yeah, I mean that's something that you don't
have to be like a freaking geniusto see. It's just like, okay,
well, you know, cold outside, fucking government turning on the weather
machines. You know, did youhear about that conspiracy the weather machine?
For some reason? Who was Italking to? Oh? He had a
I forgot who I was talking to, but he's like, yeah, I

(37:38):
had a buddy. We're talking aboutconspiracies, and I'm like, oh,
you know, there's some really goodconspiracies about like you know, chem trails,
for one, like the trails you'veseen in the sky behind airplanes.
Oh, they're actually dumping toxic chemicalsinto the air. That makes us all
stupid, so we're more easily manipulated. So conspiracy was that I heard that

(38:00):
I never heard before, which Ithought was absolutely hilarious, was that Obama
when they thanks when Obama was inoffice, the White House actually had a
weather machine that he controlled. Soso basically like there was there was a

(38:21):
lot of rain in California during Obama'soffice and then or it was vice versa.
I forgot, and he was abig pro Trump supporter, so it
was like when Trump got in theoffice, Oh no, yeah, So
basically in California it was raining,but everybody everywhere else it wasn't. So
like the weather was really shit.But then when Trump went in office,

(38:42):
the weather got much better. Soall the Republicans believed see Trump turned off
the weather machine. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's you know, we
got villainized. It's it's it's soit's influencing people to share your ideaogy through
the means of you know, providinga common goal worth sacrificing your ideals and

(39:08):
your life for or at least notideals, but sacrificing your comforts for and
your relationships and something worth sacrificing for. And then on the flip side,
villainizing, uh, you know,position political powers in order to you know,
continue your continue your goal. Sothere's a lot of things, and

(39:31):
I'm sure like when you go throughspecial Forces training, I don't know if
you remember or I don't even thinkit's right to talk about, like how
you I mean, there's things obviously, like how to deconstruct governments that we've
seen come out of Like you know, there's one interview about a former KGB
operative that came out and basically likesaid, yeah, like to destabilize,

(39:53):
like entire and motivate like other generationsin order to you know, achieve a
goal, like a political goal,Like the destabilization of a society is like
a very long process. You can'tjust go in and change things immediately.
Like we're talking generations down the linein order to influence a change and how
you want the future to be.But there's an interview with a KGB operative

(40:15):
that came out and moved to Americaand kind of started saying that like yeah,
like Russia's been doing this for along, long, long time,
and we started back in the eighties, you know, and now we're here
today, almost forty years later,and it's like we're seeing a lot going
on, a lot of drastic changes. So like these these insurgencies, they're

(40:36):
not just Yury Bezmanev Uri Bez lookup, everybody, look Yuri Alexandrovitch.
Besmanev claimed in nineteen eighty four thatRussia has a long term goal of ideological
subversion, subverting in the United States. He describes the process asat a great
brainwashing that has four basic stages.The first stage, he said, is
called demoralization, which would take abouttwenty years. It's it's one of those

(41:00):
things where if you go and youwatch I've watched some of this. If
you go and you watch this,and then you kind of track major trends
in American society, you thinking like, oh no, oh no, you're
like this guy's not crazy, he'scrazy. Yeah, yeah, demoralization.
I'm trying to I'm trying to lookup like what exactly he said, but

(41:22):
uh yeah, look up your Rebezmanev. It's he's kind of one of those
if you if you don't like what'shappening in the government at any given time.
Uh, then he's one to belike, oh dang, like let
him cook. Was zery right,you know, it's like, oh,
geez any if you want to.By the way, Cameron, I I

(41:43):
was thinking about like how much Icould talk about in terms of my training.
A lot of the doctrine I think, I think that I was exposed
to between two thousand and five andtwo thousand and nine, I think is
public knowledge now I think be spokenabout pretty openly. I just did a
quick Google search for Special Forces doctrineCounterinsurgency, and there's a couple of things
that pop up that I'm like,oh, you know, there's a Joint

(42:04):
Chief of Staff documentary document j JointPublication three Dash twenty four. It was
valid up until twenty twenty one.I'm not sure if that's exactly what we
went on of, but no,I mean it's definitely I can say generally
like that in Iraq specifically, wewere it was counterinsurgency that we were worried

(42:25):
about, because sometimes we're insurgency,you know, sometimes like I think in
Vietnam, if I recall my historycorrectly, we were trying to do insurgency
with the locals, like the montagYards against the North Media's government. Right,
that's harassment, raids, yeah,building relations with the local tribes and

(42:45):
that kind of stuff. And nowthen in Iraq it was counterinsurgency because we
were trying to legitimize the current government. We were trying to build them up
and you know, the elections andall that kind of stuff. And then
so the insurgency was you know,agents from Iran, Syria, Iraq,
I you know, all the surroundingareas, uh, coming in and feeding

(43:07):
men weapons and equipment to try todestabilize the government or you know, at
least I don't know, at leastkill Americans in Coolish and forces. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, dude,I mean that's very interesting to know
because like for me, we playedas you know, our respective units,
we play very different roles, likeI know in Ranger Regiment, like we

(43:27):
weren't concerned with influencing local populace.Like obviously they are a big contributor because
they would ultimately, you know,assist you in getting who we needed to,
especially when you go into bit TQ, which is battlefield interrogation and questioning,
like you want them to be onyour side in order to feed you,
feed you knowledge, and feed youkind of tips that would help us

(43:50):
bag someone at a higher level.So obviously, like the best way to
do that is to be really like, is to get the locals on your
side. But as far as justlike constructing a insurgency to fight alongside,
that was Special forces job. Likewe didn't do anything with that, Like
we direct action, raid, airfield, seizure, that is our big things.

(44:10):
We don't we don't go behind enemylines and freaking you know, try
to influence the populace in order tofight. Well, good man, for
me, just really quick. Wedidn't mention any video games, but uh,
there's literally a video game insurgency,the insurgency game series named Insurgency,
and I thought it was worth mentioningjust because I think we when we first

(44:30):
met each other gameology Insurgency Sandstorm wasour first episode we ever recorded. Yeah,
yeah, it's true, man,that's cool. Yeah, so that's
a little fun, a little funmemory. But for four years ago,
almost four years ago now almost fouryears crazy dude, time flies. But
uh, let's do that's that's gonnado it for this discussion. Like,

(44:52):
as you said, We're probably gonnahave to do a part two because we
didn't even scratch over half of theones we had written down here. But
we have a fan question. Andthis fan question comes to us from a
Dylan grim v email and a Dylanwants to know if you could swap places
with any character other than the maincharacter in your favorite movie. Who would

(45:12):
you swap with? Oh? Man, okay, so a major a character
from a movie, but not themain character, not the main character,
and you have to swap with them. Hmm, it's a good one.
It's a good question. I mean, I guess it depends on who you
call a main character, because itwas like Star Wars. You know,
I'd want to be I mean,i'd want to be somebody that lived,

(45:36):
you know. I like, I'dlove to be like I guess Hans Sill
is considered a main character. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah,
I'd want to be like a Jedi, you know, to be a Jedi
in the days of like the HighRepublic, you know, so you know,
but they all they all freaking die, man, most of them.
I'd love to be. It's nota movie. But what's his name?

(45:59):
Calcastus from The Jedi series, thevideo game series, Uh yeah, Fallen
Order and Jedi Survivor. He's apretty cool dude, but he's he's the
main character, so I don't know, that's tough. What he do?
You know, who you would pick? I'm a hard time man. I
mean, AMG, but he's Iguess he's the main character too. Yeah,
I know he is. Oh that'sa great question. Honestly, I

(46:19):
would love to like probably switch placeswith not a main character, but uh,
somebody in the john Wick universe thatlike isn't John Wick but it's still
part of the Assassin Syndicate. Yeah, let's see, like the guy with
the dog, Like, would youcan sit yeah, nobody. Would you
consider him a main character or likea supporting actor? I guess you could.

(46:43):
I guess he makes the cut forsupporting because it's it's he's not in
it all all the time. Hehas some parts to play, but he's
not the main dude, you know. I think he's more. Yeah,
so for me, it would belike nobody. I'd like switch places with
nobody because obviously I'd love to justlike mess around in that universe and see
what it's all about. Yeah,yeah, yeah, I mean I I

(47:06):
definitely would wanna. I'm trying tothink of like fun franchises that I've enjoyed
that that like aren't uh you knowthat aren't the main characters, Like all
the main characters are cool. Youknow, maybe maybe I can fudget a
little bit because maybe I can sayI want to be from the Mandalorian,

(47:28):
but I'll be loose Skywalker's role inThe Mandalorian because he's Yeah, but then
everybody hate you that. Yeah,I'd never visit you on your island because
I'm like that duds, just anthat dude's just a grouchy old man.
That's not la. Walker's still cool. He hasn't becoming bittered by life and
written by He's still young. He'sstill young doing you know somehow being a

(47:51):
Jedi master with minimal training. He'sstill good. Yeah. Not a bitter
old white man yet. Yeah,yet mad at the world for you know,
crazy for Tiger Woods. So allright, all right, we got
a game. We got a gameon the game ester. Yeah, but
I got it here for before wedo it, folks, I just want

(48:13):
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(48:37):
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(49:00):
Are you ready, Cameron. Thisgame is called I hope you're ready Rebel
with a Cause, because what goodrebellion? What good is a rebellion if
there's not a reason for it.I'm going to give you the name of
a real or fictional rebel group andyou tell me where it happened, meaning
where on Earth or what fictional locationthis occurred. Bonus points if you can

(49:21):
tell me why they were fighting.So this is you just tell me,
I'm gonna give you the group.You're saying, oh, this is in
this, and then if you wanta bonus point, you say, this
is why they were building. Sothe warm up this might be super hard,
like, this could be really hard. It could be man, it
could be I I think I'm lookingat it. I think you might be
all right depending on the which franchisesyou're familiar with, but the warm up

(49:43):
should give you an idea. Thewarm up is the Rebel alliance. The
Rebel alliance is where in where?Well, where did it take place?
You mean like actual geographical location?No? No, no, no no,
you think you were on your way. You're about to say it.
I kind of messed you up.Oh like where like what movie would franchise?

(50:04):
But like that? Okay, yeah, yeah, Star Wars universe.
I don't know what plan outyty allover the galaxy. Oh yeah, Chris
Lily, it is the Star WarsUniverse is the answer. I see.
Okay, So Star Wars Universe.The rebels were fighting against the empire right
because they are totalitarian and they want, like we discussed, they want everybody

(50:28):
to think, act and speak theway they want to and they want to
be free, and they don't wantto deal with that. So okay,
I get, I understand the premiseof the game. There you go.
You got. It's one hundred andfifty correct. Man, Okay, this
is the first official one. TheStranded Insurgency, The Stranded Insurgency. Oh
my god, Okay, the StrandedInsurgency. I told you this is gonna

(50:57):
be a hard game. Man.I have no idea the Stranded Insurgency.
This is just my bad because Inever pay attention to the any details.
I'm probably seeing the means of things. Yeah, this is it's not a
movie, but it is a franchisethat you are familiar with, the Stranded
Insurgency, huh, and I amfamiliar with it. Huh. What is

(51:22):
it from like that? Because likeI don't know, is from like the
Halo universe, because like they havean insurgency, but they have like rebels,
which I was surprised to find out. But yeah, I'm just gonna
say Halo because I have no idea. Shot in the door. Not quite.
You were good. You were inthe right the right pop culture area.

(51:45):
But it's from Gears of War.Really, Gorilla War waged by various
stranded organizations against the remnants of theCoalition of Ordered Governments in the Lesser Islands
chains, gotcha the COG Yeah,okay, so they're fighting. That makes
sense. Okay, Yeah, it'sbeen a while since I played Gears,
so and you have, like inthe game, you have minimal exposure to

(52:05):
like the people usually fighting the locuststhe entire time. But that makes sense.
Man, I'm a good loser though, so let's keep going. Let's
see how this game's gonna absolutely decimatemy confidence. Let's step into the real
world for this one. Number two. The Whiskey Rebellion, The Whiskey Rebellion.
Where and why? Where and why? The Whiskey Rebellion. I'm just

(52:25):
gonna go ahead and just go offthe name and say this happened during the
nineteen thirties when in the United Statesduring the prohibition of alcohol. So we
had, you know, an uprisingopening speakeasy still running alcohol. This is
where NASCAR was invented because people startedsouping up their vehicles in order to run

(52:47):
from the law when they're a transportingmoonshine and whiskey. So I'm gonna go
ahead and say it happened to theUnited States because of prohibition. You are
correct, but in the wrong way. So I'm going to give you the
points. It did take place inthe United States. You just didn't get
the bonus point for why. Yah. Whiskey rebellion was also was a violent

(53:07):
tax protest in the United States,beginning in seventeen ninety one and ending into
the seventeen ninety four during the presidencyof George Washington. The so called whiskey
tax was the first tax imposed ona domestic product by the newly formed federal
government, and so there was abit of a rebellion when it when that
occurred. So this is actually thebeginning of the United States during George Washington's

(53:28):
tenure. Oh interesting, Okay,So that's really funny though, because you
know, you have George Washington's fightingthe Red Coats and they're like, no,
we don't want to pay your fuckingtaxes, and then you know,
we have this entire revolution and thenwe're like, okay, well we're going
to tax whiskey now in America's like, we just fought a war over this.
That's true, It's true. Welike our we like our rebellions,

(53:51):
you know, dude, how ironic. But okay, cool, that's okay,
cool, you got man. Solet's go to number three. This
is back into the fiction old land. The Brotherhood without banners. Brotherhood without
banners. Oh, man, brotherhoodwithout banners, no women allowed. It's

(54:15):
only brothers allowed. Brotherhood without bannersin fictional the Brotherhood without banners. Man,
there are so many choices. Ihave no idea, man, the
Brotherhood without banners, without banners.I'm assuming it has to be like super
secret. But again, what typeof insurtaincy is? Like loud and proud?

(54:37):
I mean, I guess like awKaida was because they're est they had
flags. I have no idea.I'm just gonna say, like the Last
of Us or something. Thinking aboutthat government and their their brotherhood, I'm
gonna go with the Last of Us. Oh not quite. The Brotherhood without

(54:59):
Banners is from that's right, you'reyelling at your radio right now. The
Game of Thrones franchise. Oh really, there's an outlaw band that was sent
out to work against the Lanister interestsin the liver in the Riverlands during the
time of the War of the FiveKings. This is in the beginning of
the books they're sent out officially byin the show at least or I think

(55:20):
in the books, but by orEdit Stark he's like, go out as
the hand. He's like, goout and stop the Lanisters from marauding.
And then once that regime changes tothe Lanisters, they become outlaws because they
got a new king and a newqueen. Ok. Yeah, so they're
kind of having learning a lot.Man. Yeah, I love like,

(55:43):
people are absolutely hate you right nowbecause you're like not getting any of these.
But that's okay, here we go, let's keep it going. All
right, we got two left.This is the next one still in fictional
land, fictional world, The Orderof the Phoenix. The Order of the
Phoenix. Yes, yeah, okay, that's gonna be from Harry Potter,

(56:05):
right, order that that's literally Orderof the Phoenix from Harry Potter. It's
like all the the instructors in orderto fight against Voldemort. So yeah,
it's at yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
no, yeah no, that's right. Yeah. I was doubting myself
for a second. I was like, wait, who's in it again?
Yes, Server Snapes in it.That guy Lucas Lucius Lucious Black Sirius Black's

(56:30):
brothers, one of the head SeriousBlacks in Order the Phoenix, Harry Potter.
Final answer, Uh, that iscorrect. I think you're wrong about
who was in it, but yougot the bonus point even as well,
because you got Harry Potter. It'sin the Harry Potter universe. Their purpose
was to defeat Valdemart, but itwas made out of Harry Potter and his
friends. It's like a secret orderthat they create among the students. I
think, I don't. Yeah,I can't. I mean, Chris put

(56:52):
it in there, but uh,and I have only now here. We
are literally the original members of Orderthe Phoenix include Serious Black, Emmiline Vance.
Don't know what to pronounce that.Let's see, is Lucius in here?
You should be because Alice Longbottom SeriousBlacks. It's probably Serious Black,

(57:14):
not Lucius, because Lucius was thewerewolf man founded by Albus Humbledore to fight
Lord Voldemart and his followers the DeathYears. Okay, okay, yeah,
Lily Potter was in it, JamesPotter was in it. Yeah, all
the all the parents of all theiconic characters were in it. So I
remember, So you got not onlydid you get, you got like double
bonus points for knowing the lore behindit. Good for you, man.

(57:36):
Okay, well yeah, I meanI've seen Harry Potter, so that is
one of the ones I do recognize. Okay, I'm ready keep going.
I'm right at the house. Oneman. This is for quadruple bonus points.
You can take the whole thing inthis one if you get it right.
Nat Turner's Rebellion, Nat Turner's Rebellion, Nat Turner. Yep, Nat

(57:59):
nat Turner's Rebellion, Nat Turner's Rebellion. See. I don't even know who
Nat Turner is, and I hopethat's not a super like. If this
is real history, I'm ready tolearn. But if it's like a very
prominent figure, I'm gonna be embarrassed. Nat Turner. Nat Turner isna short

(58:21):
for Natalie. I don't know NatalieTurner. It's gonna say it take place,
took place in London in the UK, like everything else. Final answer,
I don't know why. I don'tknow what it was. Cameraon.
You gotta learn your American history.This was an American event historically known as

(58:44):
the South Hampton Insurrection, was rebellionof enslaved Virginians that took place in Southampton
County, Virginia in August of eighteenthirty one. Led by Nat Turner.
The rebels killed between fifty five andfifty six white people, making it the
deadliest slave revolt in US history.Rebellion was to be suppressed within a few
days at Belmont Plantation on the morningof August twenty third, but Turner survived

(59:06):
in hiding for more than thirty daysafterwards. So it's as early as the
early slave rebellions, things were startingto come unraveled in the United States leading
to the Civil War. Wow,okay, yeah, you know history maybe
I'm just super you know, Igot to look into all history, you
know, yeah, not just yeah, the good and the bad and then
and then not just history, butherty well yeah, you know, just

(59:35):
are she ros as well? Sheros as well? You know, but
man, that's just that's just there'sso much history in the world. And
I'm so you know, honestly,I did terrible at this game, but
I'm glad I learned a little something. And that's what I that's what I
like to do. So good game, Chris, great, good game,
Chris. And you did great.Yeah, and you got a good attitude
because if you learn something then it'snever a waste experience. But uh,

(59:58):
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appreciate you joining us as always.Uh if you want to watch this,
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episodes. We've got a lot ofgood ideas actually coming in from people about
future episode ideas. So I appreciatewe appreciate that because it's a I go
three years in it's it's gets harderand harder to come up with subject matter.
Desert is becoming barren. We need, we need the ideas, Cameron
all right, Well with that,folks. Cue music